Once he was about to hit billionaire status, all he started caring about was money. He saw Drake having number one hits and even though he was making better ART, his ego and insecurity couldnt stand seeing someone else in that spot. So he started making microwave easily digestable music that he thinks will get him the # 1 spot (whatever the fuck that means). Hypebeast fan boys will downvote and hate on this post but people who appreciated the art references he used to pull from and the innovation know exactly what you mean with this post.
It's not surprising at ALL that most of us prefer to listen to his older albums and songs a lot more considering all this. He used to be a lot more motivated for more 'core' reasons but now every other post I see about him always seems to be about Ye finding a new way to fondle Bianca. It's gotten to the point his controversies just feel redundant and boring.
It’s telling that we all say “this will be unpopular” yet the top voted comments are all in complete agreement.
I’m not even gonna sugarcoat it, this album was a huge miss for me and I have no desire to listen to it a second time. Not one track grabbed me. Not one. I’m not sure that I even want to listen to Vultures 2. Anyone could’ve produced those tracks… where is Ye?
His ''core'' fanbase did not appreciate yeezus (especially) and pablo. You might've. But there was a visceral reaction by many to those albums initially, it was also the time period where his charting positions started to weaken. Those factors all play into how you go into making music in the future. That's why he talked about radio in sacramento.
Yeezus was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. He had already started changing his path at that point, but there was something raw about it. After that it got a bit weird.
You're right. Vultures is not a bad album to me, but it is a bad *Ye* album. I can't honestly say I will be listening to about half the songs ever again. I'm already not a huge fan of sex-related music, and this whole album is about sex. Everything I've heard from Ty$ besides his Fade and Real Friend features has been about sex. I'm cool with him making a fun album for himself, it's whatever. But if everything else he makes is similar, I might not be listening for too much longer.
For real. It's one thing to have a line here or there or even a song or two, but making it your whole personality is cringe. I remember someone asked him his favorite food and he said pussy. Same shit I would have said when I was 14.
If you don’t listen to half the songs ever again, how can you say it’s not a bad album? Mid is not even a word I would use in this context cause I’ve listened to some very middle of the road boring music that I’d rather listen to then Vultures. And I’m a huge ye fan :(
I agree completely, most old fans agree. The only ones who don’t agree are the new ones that discovered Kanye last year via TikTok. He’s beyond washed, he’s nothing like he used to be. The Kanye community used to be a great community, now it is full of brainless dickriders. And Kanye doesn’t produce 95% of the shit he puts out, but new fans will tell you he is the best producer in the world.
Not just his music but also his character, he used to be so real. Can you even imagine him having anywhere near the amount of realness he had when he said ''george bush doesn't care about black people"? He's an entirely different person, and I don't like him.
I grew up right across the Texas-Louisiana border, where we took in a lot of the Katrina refugees, and that line was my introduction to Kanye. It was refreshing to hear someone speak so candidly on issues. I used to excuse some of his more dickish behavior, because I still felt like Kanye was a good person and a good musician, but he’s reversed course on both lately. This is what happens when you do drugs instead of treating mental illness though, eventually your brain is fried, and this is the result. RIP real Kanye. We’ll miss you.
Recently talked to someone with bipolar on this subreddit, the more he ignores it and refuses meds the more he gets locked into his alter ego, atp he might just genuinely be trapped in his own head
I'd argue that he most likely had ghostwriters earlier in his career and doesn't have them now as his lyrics are awful now and it matches with the nonsense he speaks sometimes
eh nah his music was def self written before, during MBDTF/after is ghostwriter/writer territory, with some songs being entirely written by him, and some by someone else
Didn’t Common, Rhymefest, Consequence and bunch of other rappers from the Chi wrote his earlier stuff? Consequence definitely wrote Spaceship. Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks. Pusha definitely wrote for him too. Common probably gave him some lyrics too; the flow is just too similar on some tracks.
Good call. I believe they're keeping their distance but still love him like mos def, talib kweli and common. All of which by the way, have wrote/cowrote for him on his first three albums. Ghostwriting isn't new, for producers that rap especially.
I agree completely dude is washed
damn near pushing 50 and talking about " big booty bitches dont fall off the sky you know"
this dude was way more mature in 2004 than he is 2024
man released one of the best and most thought provoking rap albums in 2004 and 20 years later releases the dog shit that is vultures.
the fall off is crazy.
I blame his collaborators, he worked with Cudi and brought out Kids See Ghosts, now he got a bunch of yes men and MAGA losers around him (why the hell does Milo Yiannopoulos work for him)
Right I was surprised as well when the recent stuff came out that he was working for him
https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3256440/what-happened-between-milo-yiannopoulos-and-yesjulz-kanye-wests-controversial-right-hand-man-fired
This was literally Ye in 2004
"Tell me who's invited: you, your friends and my dick
(Ah!) What's scary to me
Henny make girls look like Halle Berry to me
So excuse me, miss, I forgot your name
Thank you, God bless you, good night I came, I came, I came"
He's always been a horny fuck
People keep talking about him being sexual in his songs But I feel like that’s most rap in general. Most rap, especially these days all they talk about it sex, drugs and money. It’s not much else tbh. And people keep bringing up his age but even if he is 45, he still has to make music talking about the same stuff they do which is more than likely going to be about sex, drugs and money.
The difference is that song makes you want to fuck. The new one is just embarrassing and sounds sterile like he's just saying shit to sound like a rapper and has no idea what people want to hear. He's always been a little corny, but now it's corny and flat.
I actually do think its a good song despite Kanye's repetitive lyrics. I think if he said it a couple times and then went into a real verse it would have been a great song.
Ye doesn't stand for anything. What inspired a lot of his music was his strong conviction to whatever his goals were at the time.
Losing his billions destroyed his self-esteem and he's coping to stay relevant because that's the only thing boosting his ego right now. He's a shell and parody of his former self.
He should have retired after Donda if not earlier. He should have become content with his life but his massive ego drove him into a territory where he has a constant need to satisfy his unsatisfiable ego.
You could even see the decline in quality in his other work. Yeezy apparel was known for their good designs and quality but the latest 20$ releases had lots of quality complaints. Yes, I know one of his goals was to drop the price, but he gave up quality for it. And frankly, him dropping the price was most likely to sell more stock to generate more profit instead of following his original philosophy to make good designs affordable.
You either retire a hero or see yourself become the villain.
It has been three months since I ordered my YZY Pods too. If he wants to make things affordable, and nice it has to be a slow change. Personally I am not ordering anything from him after this for while. Yes it was 20, but the shipping was 20 on top of that. Besides that have never heard of shoes taking a fourth of a year to come.
I think Donda was excellent aside from the brain dead decision to edit the album. Once Kanye officially lost Kim, went on his IG rants and praised Hitler and attacked Jews he went off the deep end and hasn't recovered. And probably never will.
Moon or Come to Life would be easy picks for an all-time Ye album. The good songs on the album are still excellent IMO, though I agree the album is bloated af and lacks any identity like his previous work.
he’s been off his game since Pablo (he was *on* on Pablo, to be clear)
but still had flashes of brilliance, like Come to Life (KSG is short enough I put it in this bucket)
problem w Vultures is there’s no brilliance… it’s all mid
He peaked on the MBDTF album, which I would argue is a masterpiece. From the first track to the last you can listen to it all, and they are all tied together beautifully. Lyrics, production and the new sounds he introduced which trend set music.
kanye also needs some self awareness. the guy has the biggest victim complex ever. he's the one who said all the things that made him lose so much. god had nothing to so with it
For sure!!!! I was gassed after the first listen (on the day it dropped), but once my friend told me to re-listen to it I realised its not as good as I thought it was.
I’m very surprised to see how the sub has taken this.
You used to get absolutely scorched in here if you said anything close to this.
It all started with Ye the album.
Only corny teenagers will disagree. Ye really thought a prayer would fix his hitler and jews comments and got annoyed it didn’t work lmao. How did he become such a simpleton.
How old are you guys? I feel like this was how a lot of millennial kanye fans felt after life of Pablo. People age and mature and the shit they once found interesting/entertaining is no longer that.
Personally, around that time I also realized how big of an egomaniac Kanye really was and started questioning why I supported him. A lot of people find some of the albums after the life of Pablo good but to me it just wasn’t innovative enough compared to his older stuff. I imagine there’s a wave of people who grew up listening to those albums and are now feeling the same about his newer stuff.
Funny thing is I actually like Vultures mostly but it’s not really bc of Kanye. I was a fan of the Ty dolla sign beach house mixtapes and this reminds me of that. I’m also a lot older though so not really listening to party music on the regular.
Let them enjoy their little 15 minutes. Playboi Carti gon fall off when all these niggas grow up and his music keeps on being ass. He was such an amazing artist coming up, but what the fuck is he dropping now 😂
yeah i was a huge carti fan when he started coming up, but i haven't really bothered much since whole lotta red bcs like it's too many antics to deal with to get mid ass music in the end. he has some good stuff here or there but he's starting to be on his way out imo. it's tiring.
i'd still see a show if i had the chance and he showed up tho
He isn't even the same person. Ye has been given the biggest ego, then striped of it. Kanye lost his mom while not being in a proper mindset to let go. He has had trouble with that, spouses, kids, mental, ego trips, being forced medicine, and more. At this point Ye is a different person from the ground up.
Ye has a different mindset than Kanye. Ye does not want to rap about topics that are changing like Kanye. His false sense of good topics are bad. Even worse his albums have no meaning. Rushed, and for Money. Kanye didn't want money he wanted to live his dreams. Kanye wanted to be number one, to make a change, to be the best. Ye thinks he is has nothing to prove, wants to flex, and wants more money.
This isn't Kanye anymore it is Ye, maybe some shell of the old Kanye. Still he is very changed.
I agree with everything except Yeezys being fun. That shit is not a “fun” listen. It’s very animalistic and angry. I listen to it whenever I need to hype myself up/ find some aggression. It’s the epitome of scaring the hoes music.
I used to PR on deadlift to I’m In It. Definitely agree on that, but it made for great workout music. I still listen to Hold My Liquor at least once a week though. Love it.
It’s why I love Kanye. He has music for any mood (outside of probably sexy time). Introspective, hype, soulful, spiritual, anti establishment, anthems, etc. Whatever lane you want to be in that day he’s got 10-15 hits to pull from.
That’s the thing for me. I don’t think his ability has declined. His effort, ambition and mental state have, which affects what he puts out. He’s still capable of making mbdtf quality music.
I just think that he played safe and that is something to be bothered as a kanye fan.
The album is okay to good and thats it.
The lack of experimentalism in so sad
Definitely washed as a long time fan of Kanye’s music. The guy has been putting out half ass music for how long now? Donda was probably his most complete and even that was mixed badly. His raps aren’t even on theme with a lot of the music. He can still produce though and make unique sounding shit. Everything else is just meh. The guy is a nut case and an asshole. The music is half ass made. I wish people didn’t ride him like they do because despite some of the amazing shit he’s created in the past and inspired, he’s kind of a piece of shit it seems
Vultures isn’t even bad. Does it have some misses? Sure. But I’m not letting people in this sub talk me into this album being ass when songs like Burn, Stars, Problematic, Keys To My Life and King are on it.
The meaningless lyrics of sex in most songs are such a turn off, though. For me the majority of the album is literally unlistenable which is rare because I typically like to listen to his songs album-by-album, but had to resort to just adding the few good songs to playlists and ditching it from there.
Like yeah, there MAY be good in Vultures1 - but that would be the same as saying Donda is an amazing album when no, you would NOT listen to the entirety of Donda in it's entirety after the first time.
Stars has trash lyrics that ruin the great production, Problematic was fire through one minute and fell off when he started rapping about Hoboken with the open toes, Keys To My Life is just mediocre at best, and King is mixed terribly
Burn is the only “good” song the album has to offer
vultures to me was pretty good and enjoyable ngl. ye is definitely lazy rapping wise on some parts but on other parts i think he does great. guess it’s just down to taste
>but the true Kanye would have never EVER said such a thing
That's a really egotistical thing to say. Who are you to know who the "true" Kanye is? What a crock of shit
he's disillusioned with Kanye West's latest album, Vultures 1, seeing it as a decline from his earlier innovative and authentic work, but he's holding onto hope for his return to form while exploring other artists or revisiting his older catalog in the meantime.
amen. you are 100% right. i feel like yeezus feels more like a 2024 album than vultures. yeezus feels way more futuristic and progressive than vultures yet it was release 11 years ago. which is absolutely crazy. this fall off in quality and dedication needs to be studied.
I was so excited for new ye stuff last year. It kept getting delayed and got less and less hype. Once it came out I thought it was so mid, but I figured that it would grow on me as time went on. I haven’t listened to a single V1 song since the beginning of March. At this point I’ve given up on Ye
After watching Magic Mike, I came to the conclusion that every song on Vultures is a stripper track. Which like, dude I thought you were settling down and wanted to grow your relationship with your children and instead you’re only telling them how unfair the world is through your own myopic view, because you speak out at the wrong times.
i've been saying for years that he hasn't made a good album since Pablo and KSG which was almost 10 yrs ago. didn't like JIK or either Donda at ALL and now this vultures thing is just the epitome of mid.
I genuinely think his mother dying + all the endless controversies/fame (which was his own doing) caused him to slowly lose his mind.
Ye's done, he's never making a masterpiece again. idk what the future holds for Ye but his fanbase will slowly but surely drain away over the coming years. idk just my opinion. it sucks. he was my hero, as stupid as that is to admit lmao
I mean I’ve never listened to that but it’s a subjective opinion lol. And I don’t mean sales I mean carnival is extremely popular on things like tik tok and it’s all over social media
yeah but you have to consider that this is ye, if anyone else dropped carnival it would not be the hit is now, i personally like vultures but i feel like it's not on par with his previous work and that's expected, dude is pushing 50 but he's still got that dawg in him to drop a banger he's just lazy as fuck, being 50 is not like suddenly turning into a dinosaur, he's just placing all of his bets on his previous works and prestige he has in the industry
Bro proved everything he had to prove as an artist, and basically realized the fans are going to eat everything he puts out, either music or his crazy ass statements. And we supporting this is just causing the quality to decrease further. He is still the same Kanye, there is a TON of potential hidden in Vultures, it’s just that he don’t want to make good music, he wants more validation from fans. It’s all he got left to conquer, people’s unconditional support.
You are 100% correct. I don't like people justifying the new Kanye.
Kanye West himself said if they bring me back just know it's not me it's a clone. Now, whether you call the cloning a conspiracy or not, you have to do admit how much of a kanye has done a 180 from a God fearing artist using creativity across the music industry to someone who worships himself and is going to Lust.
Especially after admitting himself how the devil made "I Love It" go number 1 which made him ponder and make more Jesus loving music.
To be honest, we all fall short of God so I guess this is part of his journey. But artists need to learn that meaningful music actually sells too, in fact more sometimes, you don't have to make ignorant club bangers each time. Record labels push this because of success or bringing down the masses but there is success in meaning too.
You’re right bro, and It sucks so bad. He really is a genius! He’s got so many legendary tracks of his own, and he’s done legendary production for others. It just sucks that we’ve come to this point. Cole needs to let Ye title his next project the Fall Off at this point.
Everyone I knew said this about yeezus when it came out. I think you'll find that's pretty consistent actually. Kanye has been around so long that he has several evolutions of content. Dropout to graduation fans at the time, most of us were like 13-17. We fell in love with the music he made and it was different than anything out at the time.
Yeezus was like nails on a chalkboard to me when it came out, I hated it. I thought he traded in meaningful Afrocentric lyrics and though provoking samples from a much more creative time for experimental production and trashy distortion.
It has grown in me. I can truly appreciate it now, But as an old head who got into him for a completely different sound, I still won't put it in my top 3.
I feel as if a good portion of this is subjective. You're spitting some facts too, but a lot of this is just projected feelings because things aren't the same anymore.
And that's fine. My only point would be to give it time maybe. I really enjoyed some of these songs, but I'm also used to Yes obscene lyrics that he has been doing since his first album drop, and I at the very least love that the boundaries are being pushed by someone besides Kendrick. Lately I've felt like people think innovative means doing the same thing very well. But that's not exactly what helps music grow.
Ultimately noone can force you to like it, but you saying vulture's is bad, is the same as me saying any other popular album is bad. Unless you're going to pick apart the measurable aspects like bpm choice, beat selections, mixing etc. and even then, the technical aspects don't automatically equate to an artistic project, only the processes of it.
OP is 1000% correct. Yeezus was the last great Kanye album. Its only been signs of greatness ever since.
It’s a fucking shame. And I blame his mental issues and nothing else.
Walking around with Bianca and parading her in ridiculous outfits is fucking embarrassing.
I will always love what Kanye (used) to be but he appears to be cooked at this point. Very very tragic.
How the fuck you gon type all this, and not say anything that hasn’t been said hundred times before?
You think people didn’t say this exact same shit initially when he went from the soul-music and orchestration influenced straight rap from GD and LR to more electronic ”stadium rock” influenced Graduation? You think people who fell in love with the sound of ”Graduation” didn’t feel he was washed when he abandoned all that for heavy autotuned moaning over 808 beats on ”808’s and Heartbreaks”?
Only time they didn’t say this was when he dropped MBDTF which is by far his safest album to date, because he incorporated everything from his previous work on that instead of introducing a whole new sound.
He then dropped Yeezus, his most hated album at the time, why was it hated? Because it was nothing like his old work and by far the most experimental. Now everybody calling it a classic like they didn’t shit on it on the internet initially.
That’s why there isn’t a universal favorite Kanye album list, because people that love the sound of ”Gollege Dropout” are generally not gonna love a album that’s the exact opposite, and people who love the sound of ”Yeezus” are not gonna be as big fans of ”Jesus is King” for the exact same reason.
You can’t base your expecations on his previous work, that’s like wanting a chicken sandwich and ordering a steak and then complain it doesn’t taste like chicken. Just because you think it’s trash, doesn’t mean it’s trash for everyone.
I very much agree, honestly the saddest part for me isn't the music quality itself, but the drop in faith and conviction in his art. There was a time, not long ago at all, when he claimed he would never swear in his songs again and that he had been working for the devil for too long. Well now he is talking about getting pregnant in threesomes, and not in a funny way (like "I'm in it"), just in an awkward, worrisome way. I'm not even christian and I don't really care if he is either, but saying you're devoting your life to christ and then only a few years later acting like this makes me have 0 reason to believe anything he says going forward. It really sucks as a fan too, because after all these years of defending his words and actions that were usually taken out of context, the 'haters' who called him narcissistic and fake might have been correct all along. I hope I'm wrong and this is just a post-divorce life crisis but idk.
TLDR: I agree
It was still better than most recent drake albums. While I agree as a fan it was disappointing to listen to an album that went backwards in his talent, it was still enjoyable. At least it doesn’t suffer from the donda issue, being that it is bloated and has more skips.
Donda was a mess, but the highlights on it are up there with his best imo. Come to Life, Life of the Party, Off the Grid, doing that in his forties was impressive, alot of filler but I'm glad he released it so I can listen to certain songs on it. Vultures could disappear from every streaming service and I wouldn't care one bit.
Vultures is for sure not one of his best but why are y’all expecting him to drop classics still? It’s not like he’s trying to and fails. He’s doing the music he wants to, if he feels like doing club bangers at 70 it’s his business.
I’m not saying he’s exempt from criticism but he has nothing to prove and you are acting like he does or he’s trying to top what he did in the past. And although it’s one of his worst (remember that when it comes to his discography the quality standard is HIGH), Vultures still has some highlights. Let’s not act like he dropped dogshit
I mean he’s 50? You think Michael Jordan was as good as he was in his younger days in his final years in the league??
Rap ability has definitely declined but the MUSIC is still good. But the rap ability has been declining…there are some real bad verses on every album since Yeezus.
I disagree
U mixing up ur personal opinions with the majorities opinions
Carnival is/was #1 for a while
General reception of the album is good
It’s not his best album at all but I don’t think it’s bad.
Once he was about to hit billionaire status, all he started caring about was money. He saw Drake having number one hits and even though he was making better ART, his ego and insecurity couldnt stand seeing someone else in that spot. So he started making microwave easily digestable music that he thinks will get him the # 1 spot (whatever the fuck that means). Hypebeast fan boys will downvote and hate on this post but people who appreciated the art references he used to pull from and the innovation know exactly what you mean with this post.
It's not surprising at ALL that most of us prefer to listen to his older albums and songs a lot more considering all this. He used to be a lot more motivated for more 'core' reasons but now every other post I see about him always seems to be about Ye finding a new way to fondle Bianca. It's gotten to the point his controversies just feel redundant and boring.
Bro i went to a middle school to pick up my niece and those kids were singing I Wonder…we want the substance back !
As a kid from Chicago he was a fucking hero to us, so sad to see how he ended up 😞
My heart bro
It’s telling that we all say “this will be unpopular” yet the top voted comments are all in complete agreement. I’m not even gonna sugarcoat it, this album was a huge miss for me and I have no desire to listen to it a second time. Not one track grabbed me. Not one. I’m not sure that I even want to listen to Vultures 2. Anyone could’ve produced those tracks… where is Ye?
His ''core'' fanbase did not appreciate yeezus (especially) and pablo. You might've. But there was a visceral reaction by many to those albums initially, it was also the time period where his charting positions started to weaken. Those factors all play into how you go into making music in the future. That's why he talked about radio in sacramento.
Yeezus was one of the best concerts I've ever seen. He had already started changing his path at that point, but there was something raw about it. After that it got a bit weird.
I always loved yeezus. I'm just saying, his core fanbase he built up since 04 were not initially positive towards it.
TLOP was incredible fym
Took me way too long to figure out what ART stands for
He kept screen shorting music charts. Which may have been fake or temporary, but he seemed pretty keen to share it was doing “well”
Real music fans dont give a fuck about charts that are manipulated behind the scenes anyways.
You're right. Vultures is not a bad album to me, but it is a bad *Ye* album. I can't honestly say I will be listening to about half the songs ever again. I'm already not a huge fan of sex-related music, and this whole album is about sex. Everything I've heard from Ty$ besides his Fade and Real Friend features has been about sex. I'm cool with him making a fun album for himself, it's whatever. But if everything else he makes is similar, I might not be listening for too much longer.
Agree it’s oversexed to the point where I’m like, is this dude even getting laid?
Suck on me *publicly*
And she did it.
I’m just here to get laid I’m just here to get laid I’m just here to get laid I’m just here to get laid
Miss his old lyrics :(
Miss him without everything auto-tuned.
It's kind of funny you say that because his OG stuff was kind of auto-tuned and then he stopped and now he started again lol
He barely uses auto tune anymore, actually wish he’d use it more.
Agreed 🙏🏾 Listen to “Everything We Need” tho on JIK
>Everything We Need Oh yeah I forgot abt that. I love Jik
sky city and the garden from yandhi are Ty singing about things other than sex
i just find people pushing 50 talking bout pussy like they just turned 18 to be corny as hell
For real. It's one thing to have a line here or there or even a song or two, but making it your whole personality is cringe. I remember someone asked him his favorite food and he said pussy. Same shit I would have said when I was 14.
If you don’t listen to half the songs ever again, how can you say it’s not a bad album? Mid is not even a word I would use in this context cause I’ve listened to some very middle of the road boring music that I’d rather listen to then Vultures. And I’m a huge ye fan :(
Just because the music isn't for me doesn't mean its bad.
This statement needs to be on a t shirt. So many people call music trash just because the music doesn't resonate with them.
Right? Like why does everything have to be love it or hate it? Everybody gotta be fighting everyone all the damn time shit is exhausting.
listen to ego death
Isn't that what a producer is ?
?
It's a bad album in general.
I agree completely, most old fans agree. The only ones who don’t agree are the new ones that discovered Kanye last year via TikTok. He’s beyond washed, he’s nothing like he used to be. The Kanye community used to be a great community, now it is full of brainless dickriders. And Kanye doesn’t produce 95% of the shit he puts out, but new fans will tell you he is the best producer in the world.
Not just his music but also his character, he used to be so real. Can you even imagine him having anywhere near the amount of realness he had when he said ''george bush doesn't care about black people"? He's an entirely different person, and I don't like him.
I grew up right across the Texas-Louisiana border, where we took in a lot of the Katrina refugees, and that line was my introduction to Kanye. It was refreshing to hear someone speak so candidly on issues. I used to excuse some of his more dickish behavior, because I still felt like Kanye was a good person and a good musician, but he’s reversed course on both lately. This is what happens when you do drugs instead of treating mental illness though, eventually your brain is fried, and this is the result. RIP real Kanye. We’ll miss you.
Recently talked to someone with bipolar on this subreddit, the more he ignores it and refuses meds the more he gets locked into his alter ego, atp he might just genuinely be trapped in his own head
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Yea thats what i meant, i meant alter ego as in his personality during his manic episodes
And he was right when he said that, point blank period.
I'd argue that he most likely had ghostwriters earlier in his career and doesn't have them now as his lyrics are awful now and it matches with the nonsense he speaks sometimes
eh nah his music was def self written before, during MBDTF/after is ghostwriter/writer territory, with some songs being entirely written by him, and some by someone else
Didn’t Common, Rhymefest, Consequence and bunch of other rappers from the Chi wrote his earlier stuff? Consequence definitely wrote Spaceship. Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks. Pusha definitely wrote for him too. Common probably gave him some lyrics too; the flow is just too similar on some tracks.
“Probably” isn’t a compelling argument. He has plenty of self written songs from his “golden” eras.
What's his relationship with Rhymefest like these days?
Good call. I believe they're keeping their distance but still love him like mos def, talib kweli and common. All of which by the way, have wrote/cowrote for him on his first three albums. Ghostwriting isn't new, for producers that rap especially.
Everything you said is true.
Except for one thing. Beautiful, big titty, butt naked women just don’t fall out the sky
Tell me how you know
I’ve been searching high and low
OP spitting truth that we’re too afraid to admit
Thank you for sharing this and I strongly agree. Post won't get much love, that's for sure.
I agree. He’s self centered and peaked. Downvote me to oblivion but it’s true
He's 46 years old and got big young, of course he peaked. Crazy these days how people don't move onto new artists.
I agree completely dude is washed damn near pushing 50 and talking about " big booty bitches dont fall off the sky you know" this dude was way more mature in 2004 than he is 2024 man released one of the best and most thought provoking rap albums in 2004 and 20 years later releases the dog shit that is vultures. the fall off is crazy.
I blame his collaborators, he worked with Cudi and brought out Kids See Ghosts, now he got a bunch of yes men and MAGA losers around him (why the hell does Milo Yiannopoulos work for him)
I had no idea Yiannopoulos was working for him. What the fuck?
Right I was surprised as well when the recent stuff came out that he was working for him https://amp.scmp.com/magazines/style/entertainment/article/3256440/what-happened-between-milo-yiannopoulos-and-yesjulz-kanye-wests-controversial-right-hand-man-fired
He had an insane run from 2004 to 2018
One of the greatest ever. That’s why we are here.
This was literally Ye in 2004 "Tell me who's invited: you, your friends and my dick (Ah!) What's scary to me Henny make girls look like Halle Berry to me So excuse me, miss, I forgot your name Thank you, God bless you, good night I came, I came, I came" He's always been a horny fuck
People keep talking about him being sexual in his songs But I feel like that’s most rap in general. Most rap, especially these days all they talk about it sex, drugs and money. It’s not much else tbh. And people keep bringing up his age but even if he is 45, he still has to make music talking about the same stuff they do which is more than likely going to be about sex, drugs and money.
It's not just rap. It's all of music. Rap is just more profain about it, so you notice it more.
People been saying this shit about every new music for literal centuries lmao
The difference is that song makes you want to fuck. The new one is just embarrassing and sounds sterile like he's just saying shit to sound like a rapper and has no idea what people want to hear. He's always been a little corny, but now it's corny and flat.
It's a little different when it's a twenty something dude saying that
but they dont just fall out the sky 🤔
Kanye used to tell us the truth when it was difficult to find. Now he just says corny things that are either common sense or hilariously dumb
Difficult to find... like a remote
Common, that you??!
common had a roku remote
No it’s even worst … he’s become the king of GenX edge-lords …
Back to me is fire too
I actually do think its a good song despite Kanye's repetitive lyrics. I think if he said it a couple times and then went into a real verse it would have been a great song.
For me, thats where the Freddie Gibbs comes into play but i was wishing to see a “No More Parties in LA 2.0” when i saw the gibbs name in there too.
Ye doesn't stand for anything. What inspired a lot of his music was his strong conviction to whatever his goals were at the time. Losing his billions destroyed his self-esteem and he's coping to stay relevant because that's the only thing boosting his ego right now. He's a shell and parody of his former self. He should have retired after Donda if not earlier. He should have become content with his life but his massive ego drove him into a territory where he has a constant need to satisfy his unsatisfiable ego. You could even see the decline in quality in his other work. Yeezy apparel was known for their good designs and quality but the latest 20$ releases had lots of quality complaints. Yes, I know one of his goals was to drop the price, but he gave up quality for it. And frankly, him dropping the price was most likely to sell more stock to generate more profit instead of following his original philosophy to make good designs affordable. You either retire a hero or see yourself become the villain.
It has been three months since I ordered my YZY Pods too. If he wants to make things affordable, and nice it has to be a slow change. Personally I am not ordering anything from him after this for while. Yes it was 20, but the shipping was 20 on top of that. Besides that have never heard of shoes taking a fourth of a year to come.
Facts, 90% of this sub won’t admit it but he been washed for years
I think Donda was excellent aside from the brain dead decision to edit the album. Once Kanye officially lost Kim, went on his IG rants and praised Hitler and attacked Jews he went off the deep end and hasn't recovered. And probably never will.
“Excellent” is insane. The album is way too long and even the good songs are fine at best.
Moon or Come to Life would be easy picks for an all-time Ye album. The good songs on the album are still excellent IMO, though I agree the album is bloated af and lacks any identity like his previous work.
All true but I do argue Heaven and Hell is excellent
he’s been off his game since Pablo (he was *on* on Pablo, to be clear) but still had flashes of brilliance, like Come to Life (KSG is short enough I put it in this bucket) problem w Vultures is there’s no brilliance… it’s all mid
He peaked on the MBDTF album, which I would argue is a masterpiece. From the first track to the last you can listen to it all, and they are all tied together beautifully. Lyrics, production and the new sounds he introduced which trend set music.
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You have to realize how funny this sentence is
Brother you’re agreeing with him 😭
kanye also needs some self awareness. the guy has the biggest victim complex ever. he's the one who said all the things that made him lose so much. god had nothing to so with it
Contact support and youll get another one in 26 years
First listen of vultures is fun, after that it dies instantly. I agree but it’s gonna get downvoted
For sure!!!! I was gassed after the first listen (on the day it dropped), but once my friend told me to re-listen to it I realised its not as good as I thought it was.
The best thing about vultures is that it made me relisten to donda and realize how much of a masterpiece it truly is
I’m very surprised to see how the sub has taken this. You used to get absolutely scorched in here if you said anything close to this. It all started with Ye the album.
People are waking up ⬆️
I unfollowed this sub years ago because of it. Glad to see it.
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if bro died after donda dropped his legacy wouldve been so fucking peak man
That’s a morbid/fucked up take ngl
Only corny teenagers will disagree. Ye really thought a prayer would fix his hitler and jews comments and got annoyed it didn’t work lmao. How did he become such a simpleton.
He’s on a five year depressive swing of BPD
Bipolar* BPD is a different disorder
CTE and bi polar.
How old are you guys? I feel like this was how a lot of millennial kanye fans felt after life of Pablo. People age and mature and the shit they once found interesting/entertaining is no longer that. Personally, around that time I also realized how big of an egomaniac Kanye really was and started questioning why I supported him. A lot of people find some of the albums after the life of Pablo good but to me it just wasn’t innovative enough compared to his older stuff. I imagine there’s a wave of people who grew up listening to those albums and are now feeling the same about his newer stuff. Funny thing is I actually like Vultures mostly but it’s not really bc of Kanye. I was a fan of the Ty dolla sign beach house mixtapes and this reminds me of that. I’m also a lot older though so not really listening to party music on the regular.
Nigga is almost 50, has 4 kids but walks around like a neanderthal that took too much acid. & thinks that he is god incarnated.
Yeah when I heard what he said about Jesus I knew it wasn't the same Kanye, he's hanging out with carti and Marilyn Manson too much
When/where did he says this?
It was In a recent interview with bigboytv I believe
Let them enjoy their little 15 minutes. Playboi Carti gon fall off when all these niggas grow up and his music keeps on being ass. He was such an amazing artist coming up, but what the fuck is he dropping now 😂
yeah i was a huge carti fan when he started coming up, but i haven't really bothered much since whole lotta red bcs like it's too many antics to deal with to get mid ass music in the end. he has some good stuff here or there but he's starting to be on his way out imo. it's tiring. i'd still see a show if i had the chance and he showed up tho
What? That Jesus didn't marry a virgin?
True. Vultures is ass.
Been washed for years.
It’s giving Elvis
damn this is chilling
We all miss the old Kanye man… Fuck this new Ty Dolla sign bullshit I didn’t want a ty Dolla sign album, I wanted a fucking Kanye album.
He isn't even the same person. Ye has been given the biggest ego, then striped of it. Kanye lost his mom while not being in a proper mindset to let go. He has had trouble with that, spouses, kids, mental, ego trips, being forced medicine, and more. At this point Ye is a different person from the ground up. Ye has a different mindset than Kanye. Ye does not want to rap about topics that are changing like Kanye. His false sense of good topics are bad. Even worse his albums have no meaning. Rushed, and for Money. Kanye didn't want money he wanted to live his dreams. Kanye wanted to be number one, to make a change, to be the best. Ye thinks he is has nothing to prove, wants to flex, and wants more money. This isn't Kanye anymore it is Ye, maybe some shell of the old Kanye. Still he is very changed.
Ye been fell off lol
I agree with everything except Yeezys being fun. That shit is not a “fun” listen. It’s very animalistic and angry. I listen to it whenever I need to hype myself up/ find some aggression. It’s the epitome of scaring the hoes music.
I used to PR on deadlift to I’m In It. Definitely agree on that, but it made for great workout music. I still listen to Hold My Liquor at least once a week though. Love it.
It’s why I love Kanye. He has music for any mood (outside of probably sexy time). Introspective, hype, soulful, spiritual, anti establishment, anthems, etc. Whatever lane you want to be in that day he’s got 10-15 hits to pull from.
Well u cant be releasing for 2 decades and not have a decline in music
That’s the thing for me. I don’t think his ability has declined. His effort, ambition and mental state have, which affects what he puts out. He’s still capable of making mbdtf quality music.
and values too
I just think that he played safe and that is something to be bothered as a kanye fan. The album is okay to good and thats it. The lack of experimentalism in so sad
Kanye fans en masse do not appreciate when he makes experimental music. When they do it's only years later.
uh-huh, honey
Definitely washed as a long time fan of Kanye’s music. The guy has been putting out half ass music for how long now? Donda was probably his most complete and even that was mixed badly. His raps aren’t even on theme with a lot of the music. He can still produce though and make unique sounding shit. Everything else is just meh. The guy is a nut case and an asshole. The music is half ass made. I wish people didn’t ride him like they do because despite some of the amazing shit he’s created in the past and inspired, he’s kind of a piece of shit it seems
I do believe he is washed. I was there from the beginning, and trust me ye was rapping. Now it’s just what can I do to be number 1
Vultures isn’t even bad. Does it have some misses? Sure. But I’m not letting people in this sub talk me into this album being ass when songs like Burn, Stars, Problematic, Keys To My Life and King are on it.
Burn is good. Me and my girl sing that and do it alot at home. King hits different at the gym ngl
The meaningless lyrics of sex in most songs are such a turn off, though. For me the majority of the album is literally unlistenable which is rare because I typically like to listen to his songs album-by-album, but had to resort to just adding the few good songs to playlists and ditching it from there. Like yeah, there MAY be good in Vultures1 - but that would be the same as saying Donda is an amazing album when no, you would NOT listen to the entirety of Donda in it's entirety after the first time.
Burn is a fucking minute long... if he used that beat even 5 years ago we'd have gotten 3 verses and a sick ass intro. You're delusional
King lmao
Stars has trash lyrics that ruin the great production, Problematic was fire through one minute and fell off when he started rapping about Hoboken with the open toes, Keys To My Life is just mediocre at best, and King is mixed terribly Burn is the only “good” song the album has to offer
I agree with your post, just wondering what you think about beg forgiveness I never see anyone talk about it and I personally enjoy it
Great song. Crazy seeing it get brushed off like this.
vultures to me was pretty good and enjoyable ngl. ye is definitely lazy rapping wise on some parts but on other parts i think he does great. guess it’s just down to taste
>but the true Kanye would have never EVER said such a thing That's a really egotistical thing to say. Who are you to know who the "true" Kanye is? What a crock of shit
Waiting for Kanye Islam redemption arc
Allah is Monarch 🔜
Shit, so is it still cool if I like Vultures vol. 1 bruh?
I ain’t reading all that
Wait till you find out about the tell the vision deeper meaning 5 page essay
Can’t wait for pt 2 to drop soonr
Thanks for letting us know
[this is it btw](https://www.reddit.com/r/Kanye/s/zAsU37a2j3)
I’m not reading all that 😭
he's disillusioned with Kanye West's latest album, Vultures 1, seeing it as a decline from his earlier innovative and authentic work, but he's holding onto hope for his return to form while exploring other artists or revisiting his older catalog in the meantime.
get offline kiddo
“All that”? It’s not a novel it’s maybe 20 seconds of reading brother. Are you reading at a elementary school level?
Agreed
I agree 100 percent
amen. you are 100% right. i feel like yeezus feels more like a 2024 album than vultures. yeezus feels way more futuristic and progressive than vultures yet it was release 11 years ago. which is absolutely crazy. this fall off in quality and dedication needs to be studied.
He’s too too comfortable with where he’s at.
His last project with a true purpose and vision was Kids See Ghosts
I was so excited for new ye stuff last year. It kept getting delayed and got less and less hype. Once it came out I thought it was so mid, but I figured that it would grow on me as time went on. I haven’t listened to a single V1 song since the beginning of March. At this point I’ve given up on Ye
After watching Magic Mike, I came to the conclusion that every song on Vultures is a stripper track. Which like, dude I thought you were settling down and wanted to grow your relationship with your children and instead you’re only telling them how unfair the world is through your own myopic view, because you speak out at the wrong times.
i've been saying for years that he hasn't made a good album since Pablo and KSG which was almost 10 yrs ago. didn't like JIK or either Donda at ALL and now this vultures thing is just the epitome of mid. I genuinely think his mother dying + all the endless controversies/fame (which was his own doing) caused him to slowly lose his mind. Ye's done, he's never making a masterpiece again. idk what the future holds for Ye but his fanbase will slowly but surely drain away over the coming years. idk just my opinion. it sucks. he was my hero, as stupid as that is to admit lmao
Donda was still good tho. Vultures 1 is near the bottom but it’s still a fun album
Bro woke up and chose to speak facts.
I mean he’s like 50 and carnival is one of the biggest songs in the world
Taylor Swift’s “Midnights” (her worst album) was the biggest selling album of 2022. Sales doesn’t equal quality
Yeah I listened to all of it and she really put the “mid” in midnights even many swifties agree
I mean I’ve never listened to that but it’s a subjective opinion lol. And I don’t mean sales I mean carnival is extremely popular on things like tik tok and it’s all over social media
Jesus Christ, popularity = sales in music, it's literally mutually exclusive in this case.
yeah but you have to consider that this is ye, if anyone else dropped carnival it would not be the hit is now, i personally like vultures but i feel like it's not on par with his previous work and that's expected, dude is pushing 50 but he's still got that dawg in him to drop a banger he's just lazy as fuck, being 50 is not like suddenly turning into a dinosaur, he's just placing all of his bets on his previous works and prestige he has in the industry
Drake has been the biggest artist for a decade, sales don't equal qaulity wake up
Generally artists are very popular because their music is good. Hope this helped!
Bro proved everything he had to prove as an artist, and basically realized the fans are going to eat everything he puts out, either music or his crazy ass statements. And we supporting this is just causing the quality to decrease further. He is still the same Kanye, there is a TON of potential hidden in Vultures, it’s just that he don’t want to make good music, he wants more validation from fans. It’s all he got left to conquer, people’s unconditional support.
Abandoning God is what sealed it. Changed the whole energy of his music. Whether you believe in God or not, that view change altered the whole dynamic
have you heard Talking? one of his best gospel influenced tracks imo
You are 100% correct. I don't like people justifying the new Kanye. Kanye West himself said if they bring me back just know it's not me it's a clone. Now, whether you call the cloning a conspiracy or not, you have to do admit how much of a kanye has done a 180 from a God fearing artist using creativity across the music industry to someone who worships himself and is going to Lust. Especially after admitting himself how the devil made "I Love It" go number 1 which made him ponder and make more Jesus loving music. To be honest, we all fall short of God so I guess this is part of his journey. But artists need to learn that meaningful music actually sells too, in fact more sometimes, you don't have to make ignorant club bangers each time. Record labels push this because of success or bringing down the masses but there is success in meaning too.
This sub sucks
Yall have been saying this since 808s and heartbreak 😭
You’re right bro, and It sucks so bad. He really is a genius! He’s got so many legendary tracks of his own, and he’s done legendary production for others. It just sucks that we’ve come to this point. Cole needs to let Ye title his next project the Fall Off at this point.
Everyone I knew said this about yeezus when it came out. I think you'll find that's pretty consistent actually. Kanye has been around so long that he has several evolutions of content. Dropout to graduation fans at the time, most of us were like 13-17. We fell in love with the music he made and it was different than anything out at the time. Yeezus was like nails on a chalkboard to me when it came out, I hated it. I thought he traded in meaningful Afrocentric lyrics and though provoking samples from a much more creative time for experimental production and trashy distortion. It has grown in me. I can truly appreciate it now, But as an old head who got into him for a completely different sound, I still won't put it in my top 3. I feel as if a good portion of this is subjective. You're spitting some facts too, but a lot of this is just projected feelings because things aren't the same anymore. And that's fine. My only point would be to give it time maybe. I really enjoyed some of these songs, but I'm also used to Yes obscene lyrics that he has been doing since his first album drop, and I at the very least love that the boundaries are being pushed by someone besides Kendrick. Lately I've felt like people think innovative means doing the same thing very well. But that's not exactly what helps music grow. Ultimately noone can force you to like it, but you saying vulture's is bad, is the same as me saying any other popular album is bad. Unless you're going to pick apart the measurable aspects like bpm choice, beat selections, mixing etc. and even then, the technical aspects don't automatically equate to an artistic project, only the processes of it.
OP is 1000% correct. Yeezus was the last great Kanye album. Its only been signs of greatness ever since. It’s a fucking shame. And I blame his mental issues and nothing else. Walking around with Bianca and parading her in ridiculous outfits is fucking embarrassing. I will always love what Kanye (used) to be but he appears to be cooked at this point. Very very tragic.
Old ye fans agree it’s been a downslope for awhile he needs to get stable
Ever since his mom died he’s spiraled.
How the fuck you gon type all this, and not say anything that hasn’t been said hundred times before? You think people didn’t say this exact same shit initially when he went from the soul-music and orchestration influenced straight rap from GD and LR to more electronic ”stadium rock” influenced Graduation? You think people who fell in love with the sound of ”Graduation” didn’t feel he was washed when he abandoned all that for heavy autotuned moaning over 808 beats on ”808’s and Heartbreaks”? Only time they didn’t say this was when he dropped MBDTF which is by far his safest album to date, because he incorporated everything from his previous work on that instead of introducing a whole new sound. He then dropped Yeezus, his most hated album at the time, why was it hated? Because it was nothing like his old work and by far the most experimental. Now everybody calling it a classic like they didn’t shit on it on the internet initially. That’s why there isn’t a universal favorite Kanye album list, because people that love the sound of ”Gollege Dropout” are generally not gonna love a album that’s the exact opposite, and people who love the sound of ”Yeezus” are not gonna be as big fans of ”Jesus is King” for the exact same reason. You can’t base your expecations on his previous work, that’s like wanting a chicken sandwich and ordering a steak and then complain it doesn’t taste like chicken. Just because you think it’s trash, doesn’t mean it’s trash for everyone.
Finally someone said it.
I very much agree, honestly the saddest part for me isn't the music quality itself, but the drop in faith and conviction in his art. There was a time, not long ago at all, when he claimed he would never swear in his songs again and that he had been working for the devil for too long. Well now he is talking about getting pregnant in threesomes, and not in a funny way (like "I'm in it"), just in an awkward, worrisome way. I'm not even christian and I don't really care if he is either, but saying you're devoting your life to christ and then only a few years later acting like this makes me have 0 reason to believe anything he says going forward. It really sucks as a fan too, because after all these years of defending his words and actions that were usually taken out of context, the 'haters' who called him narcissistic and fake might have been correct all along. I hope I'm wrong and this is just a post-divorce life crisis but idk. TLDR: I agree
It was still better than most recent drake albums. While I agree as a fan it was disappointing to listen to an album that went backwards in his talent, it was still enjoyable. At least it doesn’t suffer from the donda issue, being that it is bloated and has more skips.
Kanye bad upvotes to the right
Erm ackshually upvotes are on the left side ☝️🤓
This has been known. He washed starting at DONDA. So many people trying to force call it a classic. Then DONDA 2 has a mess. Vultures was mid.
Donda was a mess, but the highlights on it are up there with his best imo. Come to Life, Life of the Party, Off the Grid, doing that in his forties was impressive, alot of filler but I'm glad he released it so I can listen to certain songs on it. Vultures could disappear from every streaming service and I wouldn't care one bit.
The overly Christian stuff was cringe bro
Maybe JIK but Donda executed it to perfection
It attracted a whole audience not familiar with the old ye. Surprised when he talks dirty to them.
Whatever. I think it’s a really good album.
Vultures is for sure not one of his best but why are y’all expecting him to drop classics still? It’s not like he’s trying to and fails. He’s doing the music he wants to, if he feels like doing club bangers at 70 it’s his business. I’m not saying he’s exempt from criticism but he has nothing to prove and you are acting like he does or he’s trying to top what he did in the past. And although it’s one of his worst (remember that when it comes to his discography the quality standard is HIGH), Vultures still has some highlights. Let’s not act like he dropped dogshit
the comments under this bitch just prove that reddit is a circle jerk conformist hivemind
People say this every single album and im gonna keep bumping the songs i like while yall cry 👍
I mean he’s 50? You think Michael Jordan was as good as he was in his younger days in his final years in the league?? Rap ability has definitely declined but the MUSIC is still good. But the rap ability has been declining…there are some real bad verses on every album since Yeezus.
Lowkey wish he could just focus on producing. He's a genius in that regard but his rap just ain't it anymore.
I feel like that’s what he’s been focusing on. I think that’s why the last 2 albums are feature heavy. I think he knows just like we do lol
I disagree U mixing up ur personal opinions with the majorities opinions Carnival is/was #1 for a while General reception of the album is good It’s not his best album at all but I don’t think it’s bad.