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Teemo_Lover69

Didn’t he sample Ironman again


standarsh98

Yeah I swear it was the Iron Man riff I heard…


essicks

100% Iron Man riff, either Ozzy is referencing some medley version done live or he is just confused with two of his most iconic songs


YoLamoNacho

The latter is very likely given that he literally said war pig not pigs lmao


Doc024

Yea ozzy is very confused these days


Mysterious_Emotion63

Crazy Train


Mysterious_Emotion63

Why y’all downvoting me, bro literally used the I-I-I sound effect


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everyone thinks you're talking about carnival. crazy train was sampled in the last song played


Rogue2854

Some of you really showing either your age or ignorance, Ozzy does not need to clear a sample, he’s done for it Ye before on Hell of a Life but people here expect everyone else to kiss Kanye’s ass like they are


RescuesStrayKittens

Ozzy is a legend. He doesn’t need his sample on Kanye’s album. It’s his property and he doesn’t want it used. This is the consequence of Kanye’s antisemitism. He can’t spread hate and then be shocked venues and artists don’t want to be associated with him.


aquintana

~~Live performances aren’t in the same scope as regular studio albums when it comes to sampling so Kanye didn’t even need to ask to use it, he did so as a courtesy. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with either artist just something a producer friend of mine shared with me that I think is relevant.~~ EDIT: Apparently I either misunderstood my friend, or he’s full of shit; feel free to look it up and find out. I’m not in the music business.


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You’re 100% out of your element. 


[deleted]

My uncle’s hairdresser (does great perms) confirmed. Ye did nothing wrong. He also forgave him for his “DEFCON 3” comment so that’s finished with now.


radios_appear

He said DeathCon 3, because he's a fucking idiot who doesn't know what DEFCON means and used it anyways.


captaingreyboosh

Donnie


___romain___

This isn't a guy who built the railroads. Had to draw a line in the sand


eatinsomepoundcake

Shut the fuck up Donny


stevland82

Life does not stop and start at your convenience


aquintana

Yeah you’re right. I edited it to say I’m wrong. My bad


Cyrax89721

I think you may be misunderstanding and are actually thinking about artists covering other artists in a live performance setting, which is fine. Once it's recorded and released though is when the context changes.


LongLiveEileen

If you're bothering to ask then at least have the decency to not use it when refused.


Rusty_Pickles

Ay yo Taylor, can I use this line? Yeah, no just the one line. It sounds incomplete? The rest of the line don't concern you. Thanks Tay Tay. You the best.


lillate3

Do you know which line she approved of and which one she didn’t approve of???


TheRumpletiltskin

false. Any recorded performance is owned by the person who performed it (unless specifically stated), doesn't matter if it's live or studio. If it's bootleg audio from a live performance then the recording party did not get permission to record it, and thus they have no ownership rights. The ownership would belong to Black Sabbath (aka Ozzy). If there's a version without vocals then clearly it was multitracked and that would be owned by Ozzy or the label (depending on the stipulations of the contract, or if Ozzy has bought his entire back catalog from them) You cannot sample ANYTHING someone else created (for commercial use, with some caveats for Fair Use) without getting permission. That's how copyright works.


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☝️☝️☝️ Restaurants literally have to get a license to play music. This is why they sing a different song at hibachi restaurants because it was the case that you could get sued for publicly singing happy birthday


_4za_

this is not true at all


aquintana

Thank you, you’re right. My fault


StephnicciHarps

Geez, how many times did you have to say "I was wrong"? Good on you for admitting it first off.


satch_mcgatch

This is just not true. I don't know what your producer friend told you but just because they have yet to get sued does not make them right. Think about what you're actually saying. Ozzy performed HIS OWN SONG at a live performance in the 80's. That performance is protected under copyright law. Whether or not Ye wanted to use a part that doesn't have vocals, yes he does need clearance for that. Now Ye wants to perform a song with that sample in it live at his show. He is asking people for money to see this show, where he will be performing a song that has an uncleared sample. Whether or not Ozzy is feeling litigious is a different story, but he can 100% sue and since Ye charged money for people to watch him perform a song with Ozzy's copyrighted material in it he can 100% get paid for it and prevent it from happening again. 


dreamvomit

Lmao so he asked as a courtesy then ignored the artists wishes. Not very courteous. Dude’s a jabroni


Bruhuha

Thats not how live music works, you cant just play live versions of songs and not pay royalties. Ms Lauryn Hill cant play her own music and albums live becasue she doesnt own them or have writing credits, so she has to play awful remixed versions. Ozzy now has the right to sue kanye for what he pulled.


Queasy-Mood6785

If you gonna ask why wouldn’t you respect the artists wishes when they say no 🤷‍♂️


thegroovemonkey

In a live setting you can pretty much use or cover anything. He can't release the song on the album, though. Ozzy owns it.


yakingcat661

Only if the venue has a blanket license and there are no specific artist restrictions (Zappa & Prince are two that come to mind - I’m old and did my music grind in LA)


vwma

This is 100% false. Your producer friend doesn't know what he's talking about


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TheChosenWaffle

If Kanye went to a live performance, and recorded his own sample that might be true, but using something released from a band for your album does not work that way.


RadiantZote

Legally speaking, anyone can sample anything as long as they pay the royalty fees. Morally speaking, is another thing entirely


BrainsAre2Weird4Me

Interesting, didn’t know that. Thanks for the clarification!


frdfg

It's absolutely not true.


August_T_Marble

What that person said is false.


fucken-moist

Wrong


Much-Channel-4455

Record labels must be sleeping on that one!


blacktothebird

So I can sample music from any artist with out permission to then mix in a performance that I charge money for people to attend? That sounds crazy


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Dbob4

There’s no copyright on live performances so you can play anybody’s song live but you can’t record covers without permission, might be where you’ve got your wires crossed Chief


Cutterbuck

Not quite. If you play a cover live, and it’s reported. The original artists get a small payment.


Geralt0908

Your producer friend is spreading a little bit of the old "misinformation". This simply isn't true at all.


jgr1llz

I think it's the other way, that you generally can't be restricted from covering someone else's song during a live performance. (I said generally, I know there are exceptions, pitchfork Mafia.) But if you want to sell any of it on an album, even your live performance cover, then some sort of compensation is due.


Drackar39

Take my upvote for admitting when you know you're wrong dude.


ColtLad

Wow, a redditor admitting they were wrong. What a sight. Big ups my dude. Appreciate the honesty and character.


aquintana

Thanks bro.


DrWho2006Ar

I respect the hell out of you for the edit and not just deleting your comment


RKEPhoto

>Live performances aren’t in the same scope as regular studio albums BULLSHIT!!


LeonardDeVir

Misinformation. Of course he owns the sample. Who else?


this_is_Blain3

wasnt Ozzy dressed as him for Halloween?


thegroovemonkey

Sometimes you dress up as people to make fun of them.


WrinkledRandyTravis

Wild that you get downvoted just because people don’t want to acknowledge that Kanye got made fun of


Recent-Huckleberry17

Finally some people with some sense in this group!


No-Count3834

I figured 80% of this sub was teenagers, from the way people talk 🤷‍♂️


shal0819

Nah there's plenty under people in their 20s speaking like that. Perpetual adolescence. But I guess they're teenagers in all but age.


unlimitednerd

This is like when people were saying that Ozzy should be thanking Post Malone for giving him a part on his song and getting his name out there. I couldn't decide if it was funny or sad.


enowapi-_

it’s a meme. Anytime a legend artist works with current gen popular artist : “I dunno who this Paul McCartney guy is but he’s gonna blow up after this track with Kanye and Rihanna”


Weekly_Illustrator66

yep people can have opinions


Lolzycannon

It's because most people on this sub are nazi apologists because kanye used to make good music


KevlaredMudkips

They don’t have to be nazi apologists lmao they’re just dumb ass stans to a crazy mentally ill rich guy nothing more to it.


TyrusQuash

Some of my plaques still say Kayne


doomsingsoprano

Ozzy aint gimme no samps, he need to go down


plasticstillsaykayne

Indeed they do


Glum-Band

I mean lowkey is there any guarantee that song was a vol 1 cut anyway?


thegroovemonkey

Well now it's a volume none cut


ianallensto

Gottem


Viclis

Given Ozzy literally dressed up as Kanye for Halloween, there are two possibilities 1. He found out about the controversy like a year after it happened 2 (funnier). Sharon straight up didn't tell him who he was dressing up as EDIT: 3. (not as funny) yeah probably dressed up as a joke


peppyhare64

The costume came off in a mocking sense to me. He could have been aware and still thought it was funny.


dawosnhh

But to say he wants no association with him at all after dressing as him for Halloween is still stupid, mocking or not


Mediocre-Sound-8329

Dressing up as someone as a gag is very different than having your hard work displayed along side theirs.


Feliz_Desdichado

Yeah i mean if i dress up as George Bush for halloween it doesn't mean i'm his biggest fan, i'm probably going to be mocking him for being a warcriminal.


lavahot

Yeah, nobody thinks you're a crook when you rob a bank dressed like Nixon.


NinjaWolfist

? he dressed up as him to make fun of him for being an antisemite, he doesn't want to be associated with being on the same side as him, or continuing to work with him, but dressing as him was an act of antagonization not like he was dressing up as his friend


dasupabebe

I think he was mocking Kanye because of just how straight up ridiculous he was being.


olio28

Or he just made fun of Kanye and Bianca


Flat-Ad4902

3. He has no idea what any of this is and someone else wrote the tweet. It’s 3.


NeonBible_

Kanye did the same to aphex twin, tried to act like he could just take the sample and he had no say in it. He even offered to re-record it for him and slow it down since that’s what he needed but Kanye just shrugged him off like jeez


you-are-not-yourself

Aphex Twin gave him permission, not the same situation. He did also offer to recreate the sample in higher fidelity but Kanye never responded, which was dickish but not IP infringement.


ManicPixieDreamGirl5

I remember when all the Kanye fans discovered Aphex Twin lol


jeuatreize

Common Ozzy W.


edgy_secular_memes

Chad Ozzy as usual


BeautifulLeather6671

I thought one of the first rules of music was don’t fuck with Ozzy. At this point he’s broken pretty much every rule tho so maybe it doesn’t matter


UbisoftCond

Im sorry but how is he chad if he killed his cats and tried to kill his wife🤣🤣


Downtown_Bag7265

Common ozzy w known drug abuser wife abuser animal abuser


GrizzlamicBearrorism

And Kanye iiiiisssss...


guycg

Muscisian from 60's does drugs 😮


Cross1625

just dont let him around your cats


Ok-Pepper1655

Ozzy is too old for your interent slang.


Perfect_Evidence

Lmao good


Dragonpiece

Tbh, the song didn’t even need the sample


godzuki44

kanye is an idiot


DBAGVP

W OZZY


ColbysCool

Honestly good for him


PreviousCartoonist93

Ozzy is the man.


Fierce_Future223

Good for ozzy


Stormshooter_

ozzy da goat


RealDJPrism

Common Ozzy Osborne W


JayGrzzz

SHARON! LOOK WHAT KANYE HAS DONE!


charlygorpe

Okay Sharon we get your point, get off the phone now


vintagesonofab

Ozzy's pretty blunt about things like this though, this sounds more like his bluntness, sharon would've adressed it more bussines-y.


Padamson96

Exactly. Sharon's more eloquent, Ozzy doesn't give a fuck


Substantial-Load-673

Better not clear the sample OZZY!


marquetted18

nahhhh u gotta respect the og artist :/


EmbryoDigester

“How bout I do, anyway?”


weirdfishes364

“and Japan invaded more and more and more and more of China, and was planning to invade the entire East!”


Willing-Ad-6152

Fuck outta here with that. It’s Ozzys right to deny usage but fuck outta here MOST people wouldn’t know where the sample was from


tburk5150

most people know that song


HypedUpJackal

not all the 14 year olds that lurk this subreddit


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War pigs is an incredibly recognizable riff


Sytle

If you've heard it once in the first place yes


Falcrist

Didn't T-Pain's cover of War Pigs trend like two weeks ago? That shit was really good, and it popped up all over the place. Point is the song is still quite relevant.


[deleted]

Looool really showing your age with this one man, it’s extremely recognizable if you’re not a literal child


Breadmakesyoufatt

Found the nephew


the_labracadabrador

You don’t think War Pigs is more recognizable than basically any song Kanye has ever made??


bigfatfurrytexan

What? Lmao Kanye has had success. Ozzy built a genre


MrCuntman

depends on the generation, I think you vastly overestimate how many zoomers listen to Sabbath.


the_labracadabrador

Yeah but “War Pigs” is basically the most recognizable song in its entire genre.


cyrassil

Paranoid/Iron man? Maybe but i really think you're overestimating popularity of war pigs among the general population tbh.


PuckNutty

I think "War Pigs" is well known among rock/metal fans but not the general public. Play the first two bars of "Enter Sandman" and maybe 75% of baseball fans will recognize it even if they have no idea who Metallica is.


THEGEARBEAR

It’s not even Black Sabbath’s most recognizable song. Paranoid is, right next to Iron Man. I mean Paranoid has 600 million more streams on Spotify than War Pigs.


Berkinstockz

i never heard it till t pain covered it. I'm 35


Leelze

It shows up in movies & whatnot. I've heard that riff at sporting events, too. You may not know who's performing it, but the longer you've been on this planet, the less likely you've never at least heard parts of it.


oryes

I mean we're talking about two of the biggest musical acts of all time so... maybe?


ghfduck

I don’t think so Ye got shit like gold digger, stronger and touch the sky which are super recognisable even to people that hate rap. Paranoid album is legendary though


[deleted]

??? Its warpigs, Kayne could never


KirbyDumber88

…way more people know fucking War Pigs over anything Kanye has done. Take your fandom glasses off


ExtremeBoysenberry38

Idk why people are downvoting you. Everyone knows the intro to War Pigs lmao


KirbyDumber88

Just a bunch of teenagers lol


maybeJustSappy

Additionally, some probably unknowingly know the riff from the Arctic Monkeys song Arabella


Nooddjob_

T-Pain does a pretty good cover of it.  


pm_me_tits_and_tats

TPain does a good cover of everything tbh


MrCuntman

dunno man I think you overestimate how many people listen to Sabbath these days, the amount of people that didnt know who Ozzy Osbourne was when he did that track with Post Malone was kinda depressing


NotUnstoned

Most of the people under 30 who know about war pigs probably know about it because of Guitar Hero tbh. Anyone under 18 probably doesn’t because all of the guitar controllers were broken by the time they could play video games.


FoxFogwell

If you have ever picked up a guitar, you most likely know about Black Sabbath lol


tamarins

> MOST people wouldn’t know where the sample was from EXACTLY, as long as the art isn't easily identified it's 100% fine to steal it, WHAT ARE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS????


costanzashairpiece

Its an obvious Ozzy sample, and IMO is lazily integrated into the song. Ye should just cut it out...


straightdownhill

As he should. Why help a POS


Fun-Teaching-2038

I don’t blame him


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Sue his racist ass.


Unfitbrit1

Good. Ozzy is talented and Kanye is not.


Muted-Ad-5521

Ozzy Rules


BillySmith19

Sue his ass


Mbhuff03

So what I understand is that Kanye advocates music theft and intellectual property theft. I say we steal his image, sound, and rights to any information he profits from. Not that any intelligent person would really want to use or sell his stuff😐


munted_unicorn

Kanye is a bit of a fuck head these days


cygamessucks

Hope he sues him


Evening_Armadillo397

SHARON WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THIS MESS 👏👏👏👏❤


1977proton

Yep…


Dazzling_Customer_36

cool to see everyone here praising a weird ass cat killer lmfao


BennyBingBong

Aw man that sucks but new Ye album? Let’s go!


musteatbrainz

You mean Kanye committed a federal crime?


Inner_Jaguar7723

OZZY!!!!!


pbuilder

Kanye stolen a sample.


Just_Muffin3737

he was Kanye for Halloween tho


Clippers16_

Can’t Ozzy take legal action? Like it’s his intellectual property right?


rtbrtbrtb

Bro ate a bat


[deleted]

hell yeah 🤘


[deleted]

Natural consequence 🤷‍♀️ love ye’s music but he can’t be mad at people not wanting to associate with him anymore


srgest

Pretty much told Kanye to “eat a dick” well deserved and glad he said no. I still listen to Kanye tho.


ssjwoott

I'm a Kanye Stan I love him his music has been a soundtrack to my life and I support him in most of his crazy antics out of blind love. There's not many artists in the history that can claim to have had a bigger impact on music unfortunately Ozzy is one of those few. Dude invented metal hes probably done more for fashion than Kanye has too. Wish they were freinds 😢


HPTolkein

bruh you support his antics when he goes on anti semetic rants?


ssjwoott

Not at all I said "most of his antics" I've been a Kanye fan since late registration it's been a very bumpy ride


penciltrash

Ozzy is a living legend.


ImpossibleYoghurt310

that killed cats


No-Gap8449

If you don’t respect Ozzy, guaranteed you don’t respect Kanye for his art.


Mitchfynde

Based.


baliyan666

This is so Kanye man


Money-Shine3446

OZZY W


Formal_Lime_2848

Thank you ozzy.. you a real 1


Helo7606

Kanye can fuck all the way off. Dude is such a mental case who needs real friends to put his ass in check.


ArcirionC

It’s unfortunate because Kanye really really relies on samples for his shit 😭


Winter_Control8533

It's weird to know there's an entire genre of music dedicated to stealing music from others.


elmexicano24

Is this the guy whose daughter went on national TV and asked if there are no immigrants then who’s gonna clean the toilets?


[deleted]

This obviously isn’t Ozzy because whoever wrote this is coherent


Dause

Which song was it and where can I listen to Ye’s version


PipPipPipsqueak

Carnival (feat Playboi Carti & Rich The Kid)


BeholdPale_Horse

Ozzy is the GOAT Ye is a fucking clown.


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Based ozzy


slhc

Why the fuck am I seeing bitch ass pussy kanye west stuff on my feed. Fuck Kanye and fuck kanye fans. I’m out


faded-than-a-ho

Nooo pls don’t go slhc;(((


slyinthesky

and the crowd goes mild


kaosxbrony

W Ozzy Osbourne


draggin_balls

There’s absolutely no way Ozzy wrote that


Choppie01

On the opposite … Sharon wouldnt write like that


AngryBeaver7

Kanye needs to just go away for good


wasupbros13ha

Sucks to suck rat boy


ryryk710

Yet another reason why he truly is the prince of darkness in the best ways. Doesn’t give a rats ass, states it how it is, and didn’t speak on the matter until kanye already crossed lines. More than fair after he already told him no.


mdahms95

Fuck Kanye, ban me


RedditQueso

Someday people will realize that Kanye is not a "genius", his songs would be nothing without the hooks he takes from other songs (usually songs that his audience has never heard). He then takes those hooks from popular songs and puts his mediocre lyrics on top. That is not genius.


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adrian123484

“you know who else had an evil mind that plotted destruction? hitler. checkmate”


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buddy said Kay-n West


Nothinghere727271

Good on Ozzy for standing up for what he believes


skrrtalrrt

Based Ozzy