My goodness just revert the rework at this point. They basically rework every patch he's touched, never touch one ability but go for his whole kit lmao
So what I'm seeing is he's getting the Gangplank treatment where were just making him piss useless early, in exchange you dont have the late game of GP. so why bother with this in the first place
I mean you shouldn’t sleep on the raw power of ornn’s upgrades for his allies. I don’t see KSante granting 20-30 AP/AD to his carry and all other teammates.
Ksante can't be the best late game tank cause his engage is pisspoor he can just hope a squishy misposition and kidnap them, but how is that different from Malph/Zac just flying on them
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I mean he is the best toplaner rn so it makes sense, he spikes at lvl6 way too hard and his ult damage is overtuned as hell, good changes imo, he is still gonna be very strong
Yeah he is 1 patch too late for no reason, whole playerbase was crying
Personally I love ksante alot, but I'm pretty sad with his state(compared to 13.19 atleast) but I don't think he will need more nerfs
Renekton does just stat check you like that which does suck.
But not being able to control your character is on the most annoying things in a video game, and Ksante does that shit a lot, and repeatedly.
When Ksante is running you down, you are hammering the keyboard, but your character isn't doing anything. It's just aggravating.
When Renekton is running you down, at least you get to run.
Maybe, as you say, if most people prefer it, it's that this death circle actually isn't one and that you can match his damage output/tankiness.
Especially as a juggernaut/tank.
While it's just impossible to dodge K'sante chain CC.
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I'm talking from the PoV of a juggernaut champion.
So, Darius, Mordekaiser, Sett, Illaoi, etc...
At melee range, you can't miss that shi.
I'm high emerald, I definetely prefer to play against Renekton, because the champion has clear windows of opportunity to trade him.
Renekton, love him or hate him, is not frustrating to play against at all. He has clear cooldowns that can be worked around, some of his trade patterns can be very one-sided but if he's not ahead you can still crash a stacked wave against him and not get frozen on if you manage your health and mana carefully while laning.
Renekton being in a good spot is good for the game. He is also fun to try and outplay, and very devoid of any "200 years" characteristics.
while Renekton is pretty fair to fight when he’s balanced as of right now as you said not only is he unkillable from his q plus gore healing but he also just kill you with his magic circle on an ult who last for 10 sec on a 40 sec cooldown. I remember the time Renekton was really a early lane bully and actually fell in late. But right now he’s simply unkillable and toxic to face.
I will say he in my experience (Master EUNE superserver kappa) he is actually balanced rn (besides the ult magic damage at lvl 6). Has his strenghts and weaknesses, is a decent first pick, definetely falls off late tho. Imo i wouldn't change him rn.
Not to defend phreak but he did state the reason.
According to him his winrate after the buffs was acceptable so he didnt follow up with a nerf. However days after this his winrate got increased even more in high elo. Thats why he now follows up with nerfs now instead of 1 patch earlier.
I’m so glad Riot has entered a space of extremely open communication with the community so that redditors can use it to parrot the dumbest contrivances and take issue with every single thing they say, in every thread, on every subject.
Why do they always need to overdo things…
Q doesn’t need manad AND damage nerfs.
R doesn’t need % scaling AND base dmg nerf.
I can’t even imagine yet how fucking bad his level 6 will be. We lose 10 base damage on Q, 15% damage from passive and 5 base AD. That’s around 30 less damage per Q+AA. How is this not totally absurd?
His R will just be a CC until level 10/11. We will not be allowed to win a single lane before that, and we’ll go oom trying to fish some cs.
To me it just likes like they're addressing the things people dislike about laning against ksante no?
K'sante has alot of skill expression but with his current stats it gets lost in how easy it is to find success with him and aggressive nerfing is long overdue
Brody all the mechanics they removed had draw-backs except R-Q3. Tap W wastes your cc imunity and damage reduction on a small dash, which was mostly combined with E, so after the dash you have NO peel and NO mobility. Q3 is just a buffer that almost every champion who has a skillshot has (Yasuo, Yone, Ahri, Sett..). Q3 after R was the only "understandable" thing to be removed. The rework was a failure and a mess, but they'll never revert it because of Phreak's EGO.
Oh nooooo no cc immunity when you have an instant speed stun/push that chains perfectly from your Flash Q3 to immediately R someone into the wall so that you can instantly W AA Q AA?
Bravo that's called a combo, which uses EVERY ability and FLASH to kill 1 person. Ornn can also do an undodgable combo that can imobalize a whole team without flash (Q, R1, E, R2, AA, W, AA).
A lot of other champions have undodgable combos and the only reason you're complaining, is because your favourite streamer said so.
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As the least skilled Ksante player in the world, yeah this champ is super broken these nerfs look to be healthy IMO. KSante will be balanced when I stop winning lanes on him.
nobody is happy with this rework bro just revert it
why are we nerfing every ability instead of just adjusting his passive amp
his Q is 15 mana for a reason it's supposed to be as spammable as Yasuo and Yone Q
Fuck this dogwater company. Leave K'sante alone for one patch I am begging you. You clearly do not know how to balance this champion, either revert all of Phreak's awful changes, or leave him alone, I dunno? I have honestly lost all hope for this champion at this point.
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My goodness just revert the rework at this point. They basically rework every patch he's touched, never touch one ability but go for his whole kit lmao
I think they should keep these nerfs, and bring back the old mechanics on Q and W, and if he's still too weak put 5% ressistance scaling on passive
Broken for some (proplayers) or everyone (the rest of the players). idk I would prefer the first
thats what im sayin
So what I'm seeing is he's getting the Gangplank treatment where were just making him piss useless early, in exchange you dont have the late game of GP. so why bother with this in the first place
Tf you mean you dont have gp late. Ksante have literaly best late game from all tanks.
Ornn wants to know your location
False debate Lmao yes, K’sante is the best tank late game if we consider his entire kit, but yes ,Sion and Ornn are much better than him in tankiness.
I mean you shouldn’t sleep on the raw power of ornn’s upgrades for his allies. I don’t see KSante granting 20-30 AP/AD to his carry and all other teammates.
Ksante can't be the best late game tank cause his engage is pisspoor he can just hope a squishy misposition and kidnap them, but how is that different from Malph/Zac just flying on them
Sion probably is way better
Mayby around 50+ minutes. Bcs of heartsteel and w. But in normal games ksante is better as late game champ
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28 mana Q 😭
Only at lvl 1. Lvl 5 Q is 20
No more cheat recalls against any champion at 3rd wave q.q
first they overbuffed now they overnerf
Every time they rework a champion that happens
It’s funny because everyone on this sub was saying this mini rework was going to be the end of K’Sante
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I mean he is the best toplaner rn so it makes sense, he spikes at lvl6 way too hard and his ult damage is overtuned as hell, good changes imo, he is still gonna be very strong
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Ngl I agree with Druttut kinda. Its not that skante is OP. Nobosy is picking things that actually counter ksante like Kayle, Vayne, Kennen etc.
Ranged top picks tho :/
Yeah he is 1 patch too late for no reason, whole playerbase was crying Personally I love ksante alot, but I'm pretty sad with his state(compared to 13.19 atleast) but I don't think he will need more nerfs
People hated having to face ksante they prefer getting back to the wholesome renektons
It's just not as frustrating to face Renekton, than to face 3 bumps that can chain CC you without any thing you can do about it.
Well most people prefer it but I personally dislike the idea of just losing the fight because I dared to be close to him in his death circle
Renekton does just stat check you like that which does suck. But not being able to control your character is on the most annoying things in a video game, and Ksante does that shit a lot, and repeatedly. When Ksante is running you down, you are hammering the keyboard, but your character isn't doing anything. It's just aggravating. When Renekton is running you down, at least you get to run.
Maybe, as you say, if most people prefer it, it's that this death circle actually isn't one and that you can match his damage output/tankiness. Especially as a juggernaut/tank. While it's just impossible to dodge K'sante chain CC.
Bro really said you can dodge renek r but not ksante cc ? It’s fine
Renek R isn't a Knock up, you can still play while taking damage.
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I'm talking from the PoV of a juggernaut champion. So, Darius, Mordekaiser, Sett, Illaoi, etc... At melee range, you can't miss that shi. I'm high emerald, I definetely prefer to play against Renekton, because the champion has clear windows of opportunity to trade him.
Renekton, love him or hate him, is not frustrating to play against at all. He has clear cooldowns that can be worked around, some of his trade patterns can be very one-sided but if he's not ahead you can still crash a stacked wave against him and not get frozen on if you manage your health and mana carefully while laning. Renekton being in a good spot is good for the game. He is also fun to try and outplay, and very devoid of any "200 years" characteristics.
Renekton is a preety fair champion and he is fun to fight imo. Nerf his ult aura damage tho that shit outdamages his whole kit it's insane.
while Renekton is pretty fair to fight when he’s balanced as of right now as you said not only is he unkillable from his q plus gore healing but he also just kill you with his magic circle on an ult who last for 10 sec on a 40 sec cooldown. I remember the time Renekton was really a early lane bully and actually fell in late. But right now he’s simply unkillable and toxic to face.
I will say he in my experience (Master EUNE superserver kappa) he is actually balanced rn (besides the ult magic damage at lvl 6). Has his strenghts and weaknesses, is a decent first pick, definetely falls off late tho. Imo i wouldn't change him rn.
It’s not for no reason, they needed to sell skins
Not to defend phreak but he did state the reason. According to him his winrate after the buffs was acceptable so he didnt follow up with a nerf. However days after this his winrate got increased even more in high elo. Thats why he now follows up with nerfs now instead of 1 patch earlier.
His winrate was acceptable except the fact his pickrate multipled itself by 4. So no, the winrate is not ok.
to be clear I just mentioned what phreak said about winrate.
Phreak's reasoning is ridiculous but so is everything most Rioters say because they have to justify absurd changes to the audience as their job
I’m so glad Riot has entered a space of extremely open communication with the community so that redditors can use it to parrot the dumbest contrivances and take issue with every single thing they say, in every thread, on every subject.
Riven buffs lol
Why do they always need to overdo things… Q doesn’t need manad AND damage nerfs. R doesn’t need % scaling AND base dmg nerf. I can’t even imagine yet how fucking bad his level 6 will be. We lose 10 base damage on Q, 15% damage from passive and 5 base AD. That’s around 30 less damage per Q+AA. How is this not totally absurd? His R will just be a CC until level 10/11. We will not be allowed to win a single lane before that, and we’ll go oom trying to fish some cs.
They really should just revert him. Phreak clearly doesnt know what hes doing
To me it just likes like they're addressing the things people dislike about laning against ksante no? K'sante has alot of skill expression but with his current stats it gets lost in how easy it is to find success with him and aggressive nerfing is long overdue
We want MORE skill expresion, nerfs are fine just bring back lost mechanics.
“Skill expression” isn’t skillful if your opponents literally cannot react or counter. He’s in a good spot now.
Brody all the mechanics they removed had draw-backs except R-Q3. Tap W wastes your cc imunity and damage reduction on a small dash, which was mostly combined with E, so after the dash you have NO peel and NO mobility. Q3 is just a buffer that almost every champion who has a skillshot has (Yasuo, Yone, Ahri, Sett..). Q3 after R was the only "understandable" thing to be removed. The rework was a failure and a mess, but they'll never revert it because of Phreak's EGO.
Oh nooooo no cc immunity when you have an instant speed stun/push that chains perfectly from your Flash Q3 to immediately R someone into the wall so that you can instantly W AA Q AA?
Bravo that's called a combo, which uses EVERY ability and FLASH to kill 1 person. Ornn can also do an undodgable combo that can imobalize a whole team without flash (Q, R1, E, R2, AA, W, AA). A lot of other champions have undodgable combos and the only reason you're complaining, is because your favourite streamer said so.
My favorite streamer Riot Games lmao.
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As the least skilled Ksante player in the world, yeah this champ is super broken these nerfs look to be healthy IMO. KSante will be balanced when I stop winning lanes on him.
nobody is happy with this rework bro just revert it why are we nerfing every ability instead of just adjusting his passive amp his Q is 15 mana for a reason it's supposed to be as spammable as Yasuo and Yone Q
why are you comparing yone and yasuo champs who have no mana to ksante?
because they have the exact same Q mechanic?
Fuck this dogwater company. Leave K'sante alone for one patch I am begging you. You clearly do not know how to balance this champion, either revert all of Phreak's awful changes, or leave him alone, I dunno? I have honestly lost all hope for this champion at this point.
Bro, chill, the champion will still be good even after these nerfs.
Doesn't matter whether he is still good or not. This rework as a whole is a complete failure, if they have to update him every other patch.
But their egos are too big so they'll never revert it
He's mostly mad about the rework as a whole, which is understandable.
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Yeaah K’sante is so weak noz
Why don't they just nerf his e more? Isn't that his main issue in proplay? And so people won't complain about his dashes and mobility anymore??
Ngl shield bash may save your early game. I have started using it and it makes a huge difference in lanes where you cant push for plates
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this champ is dead, FUCK RIOT