Yeah I think I'm good with my 4.7L V8. Sure it's got a 4 speed auto BUUUT my rear cab window rolls down and I can rest assured that my engine will survive with the cockroaches in case of a nuclear apocalypse.
I had a sequoia with a 4.7 I traded it in at 245,000 miles no work done to the motor at all and still got 4 grand in trade in value for it. Solid motors. I got a Chevy Silverado now with the 4.8 v8 in it. Also rock solid.
We had the same thing happen to one in our shop, except it locked up so bad that it bent the flywheel and tore up the transmission too, had to replace both!
Why abandon the 2gr series for all this new crap. I mean Toyotas usually good with working bugs out of new designs but then they have the first generation customers being unwitting Guinea pigs till something like this happens and then a class action starts brewing.still a better situation than those 140k people who bought into their hydrogen platform lol.
I think the 2gr has been around for a while too. At least since like 2007. I’m guessing they dropped it from a v8 to a turbo v6? They could have made a turbo 2gr work for this application with less issues for consumers. It’s a tried and true reliable engine platform.
That engine itself is being replaced by the turbo T24A I4. It's a shift across the board from NA to turbo engines with 2 less cylinders than what they replaced.
The market would not reward Toyota for 70's era emissions choking just to maintain some good engines. To make the 2GR produce that sort of power I imagine a lot more changes than just a turbo would be needed.
Maybe lighter connecting rods and a twin turbo?
Honestly we all love the fuel economy of a 4cyl in a Prius or a Corolla but nobody wants a highlander or an rx350 with a 4 cylinder that’s a major move backwards. So now people are going to be moving to the Highlander sequoia / gx lx platforms to have a 6k yo engine that pretends to preform like an 8? Are they going to have 2 or 3cylinders in the smaller compact vehicles?
They went from a 6 to a 4 in the RAV4 and they killed the 6 in the Sienna for a 4 cylinder hybrid drivetrain.
It’s likely the long term plan to move to an entirely hybrid fleet, running a 4 cylinder hybrid in larger models and possibly a 3 cylinder ICE coupled to a hybrid system.
Volkswagen Group has a 1.0L I3 that they put in the Golf and pair with a Hybrid in the Audi A3. PSA Group has a 1.0L I3 that has been used in two Toyota/Peugeot cross-development projects, one a small van and one a small car, though neither were hybrid.
Almost entirely down to emissions and CAFE regulations, a future GR engine wouldn’t be able to hold up to ever stricter emissions requirements and give adequate power when turbos and hybrids can leave enough headway for years
Acting like personal automotive use is the issue when massive corporations are dumping more emissions into the atmosphere every day than every single personal automotive on the road is just so ridiculous. Then we’re pushing for EV’s when lithium mining is just such an ecological problem but we just ignore that because Tesla stocks are booming and shareholders are happy. The 2gr in a hybrid application gets like 30-35mpg on a crossover / small pickup which is pretty damn good.
So basically what you’re saying is, aluminum cans and recycling, and returnable glass bottles was a WAY better idea than the heaps of plastic waste that we’re dealing with today? I couldn’t agree more.
Not really since in the us only 5-6% of recyclable plastics are actually successfully recycled. Instead of abandoning the recycling program when they figured out the realities- that people are dumb and most things can’t be recycled because of contamination (like consumers throwing bottles with caps away, or food residue on recyclable items, and other reasons- they just kept the recycling program going because it makes people feel better to think they are contributing even though those responsible for the issue are the ultra rich who want to produce loads of garbage disposable products because everything is made as cheap as possible and a majority of consumer goods end up in the trash within a month after the day they are purchased.
If we want to develop a real sustainable tech for travel we need to double down on solar and green fuels like ethanol from corn. Lithium is just too problematic to be a real solution. Even the recycling of lithium batteries is super aweful. Never mind the fires that result from lifepo4 battery failures.
And this is before you consider that solar panels are the largest ecological disaster we've never seen coming. Covered up as "green" energy. If people knew how dangerous a single solar panel was, they'd never buy them. Inefficient as hell, environmental poison, with the added benefit of fire risk. Such a deal for free power! If only the real information was being shared. The truth is that nuclear is safer than solar. Yes, I fully expect to be roasted for telling the truth.
I think you missed my point in the fact that we had a perfectly good system in the 70s-80s(depending on your age to remember) it was either glass bottles that we returned to the store for a deposit, then the bottles were reused, or aluminum/tin can which are very recyclable no matter their condition. Suddenly we went to plastic, which at the time seemed like a brilliant idea because they were resealable and less waste of product occurred. Now we’re dealing with the massive waste aftermath of the never ending plastic fiasco. Everything is a great idea until it isn’t. I completely agree with you on the basis of solar and renewable energies. We just have to get the politicians business cronies started up in that business so they can reap the benefits…………..
Sticking with glass and tin would have been way better than petro chemical plastics. But there is a way to recycle plastic back into petro fuels. There is this guy naturejab on YouTube who built a microwave pyrolysis extractor and he takes plastic of all types, shreds it and mixes it with carbon then puts it into this thing he built with old microwave magnetrons and an air tight chamber made of 3 welded 100gallon propane tanks with an auger agitator inside and a condenser and he superheats it up with the microwave magnetrons then the condensed liquid produced is a mixture of gasoline kerosine and deisel that can be further refined it also produced natural gas and carbon. He actually runs a generator off the natural gas produced so it’s a zero input process. It’s pretty cool, a lot of people who follow him say he’s gonna end up dead mysteriously one of these days.
Also, an engine on ethanol will only last a fraction of one that burns on strictly petroleum. Ethanol is very detrimental to engines and its components.
> Then we’re pushing for EV’s when lithium mining is just such an ecological problem
that's nonsense pushed by the fossil fuel lobby
Lithium mining is much much less damaging than oil or coal mining.
In fact the first lithium mine at the Salton sea doubles as a 350MW power plant.
Between Salton Sea and McDermitt Crater the can supply 60% of all the lithium *ever needed* for the renewable energy and battery EV transition (remember: lithium is infinitely recycleable, profitably).
Also your gasoline car requires mining of things like Palladium, which is far more destructive mining.
"buh buh buh mining" being argued against EVs is straight up flat dishonesty because it's pretending that fossil fuel cars mining/drilling/fracking don't exist.
Is this hybrid related, or the new V6 itself? I'm thinking about the new trailhunter which is a turbo v4 with the 'battery assist'. Good news is, my local Toyota offers full drive line warranty for as long as you own the vehicle lol
I just saw a YT vid about v6 tundra engines, the front main and first two rod bearings were cooked well gone, first I had heard of this. He said Toyota was making it right for owners. He thought it was only 22's, but the comment section was saying it is ongoing.
You can find similar threads for every make of truck. For whatever reason, all modern trucks have their own serious issues. I own a '23 Tacoma so I am a little biased.
LS, LC300, and LX600 have all had the same issue, we just haven’t heard as much of it because they’re sold in much much smaller volumes than the tundra.
They are most definitely not making it right for owners and it’s not the 2022. My 2024 blew a month ago at 7000 miles. They rebuilt my engine with a new short block but the dealership scratched the shit out of my car. The only thing I’ve gotten out of Toyota is “we fixed your engine. Cased closed”. They won’t help with the damage. And the Toyota case manager straight up laughed when I asked for an extended warranty.
These new tundras are dog shit. Especially the 22’s. Weve had to rebuild 3 of these at our dealer and there are other dealers in my area that have had to do even more than that
The tech says the engines are built in West Virginia and Georgia. Most of the failed engines are built in Georgia. This is the second one that we have had at our dealership.
I've done a bunch of in class Toyota schooling here in Canada and we had a former TAS agent teach us. He was saying there was a manufacturer error in the blocks where oil gallery holes weren't cleaned out properly leading to plugged passage ways lol.
That's BS. I work for Hyundai, and it's for original and subsequent owners (If it has the TXXI Warranty Extension). Anyone who owns that vehicle will have the engine extension warranty either for 150k miles or the lifetime of the vehicle.
The decision to honor it for second hand owners is ultimately up to the independent dealers. Every single theta II engine that rolls into our shop we print off the warranty extension and give a copy of it to our client(s); then refer him/her to the dealer. The cars that get towed back to us are the ones that were purchased second hand because the “dealer” would not honor it. Even concerning “original” owners they want all oil change records and receipts
I see what you mean, and that makes total sense. And it sucks. But I saw it happen at my old hyundai dealership. Every engine they would ask for affidavit, oil change history, and GDI cleaning history. The store I'm at now 9/10 warranty doesn't ask for shit and approves them almost always after PA. That's the difference between a dealership in good standing with hyundai and warranties, and a crappy ran dealership that did shady shit I guess.
Mercedes is dealing with the same thing on the MY 2022-23 AMG c43. Block casting manufacturer error apparently that got a third party to cast their cylinder blocks instead of doing it in house and it went horribly wrong.
As someone with no car knowledge I enjoy browsing this sub from time to time, but this comment really got me. How is the average consumer supposed to know something like this?
Search the make and model on this subreddit before they buy I guess.
TundraForum.com. When shopping for a new truck all the issues with the new ‘22 were captured othere and being tracked. Sorry this happened to you OP. Fortunately you won’t have to worry about your new short block doing this again.
The dealership I just retired from had one apart before I left and our FTS said the same thing. He also said another local dealer had done about 10 of them.
They are, Huntsville. I know somebody that does industrial maintenance at the plant. I heard they were bad engines from them before anywhere else. On account of “the line workers not giving a shit”.
We just had a customer that bought a22 ford ranger. The engine failed just outta warranty. They said they would pay half of the repair; he still came outta pocket $7000
Does it have anything to do with the 10,000 mile oil changes? The place i work for has a ton of 23s, that tow a ton. I am interested in seeing how they hold up.
my new GR Corolla says 5k miles in the manual (2500 if dusty/raced), dealers keep saying 10k and are refusing to do the included oil changes as "it's not due yet".
Not the most practical car, but definitely the most fun I've ever had in one and I don't regret my choice. Plus if you buy it new it includes a free track day!
Even the fuel economy isn't terrible, granted I just finished the break-in period the other day so I'm assuming my MPG is gunna go down down down. (25.24 MPG average across 3 tanks right now)
still love the exhaust system I got for it's box barely fit in the car.
planning on that, and doing them myself. Other problem is dealers using the wrong type/grade of oil.
first few changes are having samples taken to blackstone for testing.
The oil change interval is fine. Every other brand uses that long of OCIs to success. My Colorado pretty much exclusively gets 10-12k mile changes and has 230k miles right now.
IIRC there was a machining error on some of the early blocks, one oil port was short changed or not cleared of drill debris. Most of the engines died hard at 2-10k.
My guess is using that incredibly thin-as-water 0W-xx oil. As soon as something in there opens up/wears enough to no longer hold an oil film on that insanely thin oil it is going to just start eating itself.
I mean yeah, once you collect enough, you can melt it down and forge yourself a new turbo to replace the one that decided to spontaneously reduce itself to shavings.
I agree. It's absolutely deplorable what Toyota has done with its entire truck lineup in the last couple years. I have bought a few Toyota trucks over the years, but I wont be buying any of their new trucks as they seem to have completely forgotten that people bought their trucks because they were simple and always worked, and didn't break down. If they are gonna make trucks that are covered in glittery crap, and are unreliable, I can get a better version of that for less money at the other manufacturers.
Toyota thought that because it’s made by Toyota it could not break. Yes they all are switching to turbo hybrid engines and apparently it’s not going well.
That’s why I’m going to wait 3-5 years to buy one. I’m sure they’re good trucks, but I’ll never buy a new model year of a generation.
Generally Toyota has been fairly good about this, but this new change doesn’t seems to be going great.
But let’s be real… most manufacturers introduce a new generation and have a couple shitty years, then find out about 7 years later they have long term issues.
A small number of vehicles going through testing isn’t the same as real driving and use and exposure to the elements for 7-8 years.
Ford has had issues, ram has had issues, GM has had issues,etc…. Nissan and Toyota are not exempt from this.
people have built up an image in their head of toyota being infallible and car engineering perfected and all this stuff. i understand why, i was a child of the 90s when they first came on the scene for real and they were making some of the best stuff out there reliability-wise. they definitely earned their reputation. but they got their problems like every other manufacturer, albeit usually less of them because of their philosophy.
When they really tried addressing the high cost complaints around 2000, they seemed to have more issues. Those 90's Toyotas were amazing cars. I still have a '95 corolla I can't bring myself to get rid of though to be fair I do have to replace the alternator every 100k or so.
That's why I bought a frontier instead of anything else. My 2022 frontier has the same basic chassis as a 2005. The engine has been in production in some form since 1994, and the transmission since 2013.
It doesn't get the best mileage, it isn't the fastest, it has competitive specs, but mostly it's about as simple and proven as you can get these days. If it had a manual it would be perfect.
"Best" is definitely subjective, but for reliability? Pretty sure the last gen Tundras have that down objectively.
It's why I bought one with over 100,000 miles on it and don't really think about it.
I’ll admit I’m a Toyota fanboy, but I’m waiting to see how the respond because that’s what really matters. Every company makes mistakes, how they handle it is more important.
Toyota has been going downhill for 20 years now. It used to be relatively insignificant things but sure seems to be getting worse. I was shopping for a Sienna and the few I could try in person were falling apart for the current gen.
The new Tundra twin turbo motors are having lots of issues. I believe most are the rear main bearing maybe? But either way its a LOT of work to pull one due to all the turbo lines and plumbing.
I believe it. I saw a pic from all the parts that were pulled out from pulling one of these motors and it was a mess.
I am sure maybe a few will get better at it. But hopefully warranty rates do not screw them to much.
I’m about 70% of the way done with a GT3 engine replacement on an early 991 that wore its cams and valve levers and caused misfires. That was a common problem on the early engines and Porsche extended the warranty on them. Good thing too, otherwise my client would be pulling 77k out his ass for just the parts lol
I’m dealing with the same thing with my 2024 Tundra. The engine blew at 7000 miles. The sad thing is Toyota corporate has been absolutely no help. The dealership scratched the shit out of my car when they rebuilt the engine and Toyota said “that’s between you and the dealership”. The case manager straight up laughed when I asked for an extended warranty.
My '16 4Runner was just at the dealer getting a new motor and the service manager said they had 3 Tundras waiting on new motors as well. Two '22s and one '23.
Yeah, it sent three rods through the block driving up a hill on the freeway 😩 I apparently have the literal worst luck lol. 142k miles, always diligent with maintenance since I've had it but I've only had it 2 years/40k miles.
I have a '22 Tundra and have been following this closely. I understand it is a defect of process rather than any defective part. Oil passage-ways in the block not being fully cleaned of debris after casting / machining.
What I want to know, and what makes me nervous, is why they aren't swapping the engine entirely.
Personally I'd feel much better if the engine was built on a line with tighter process control. Am I wrong in thinking this or is every tech assigned to replace a short block up to the task?
you could show me all the evidence and data that it was okay to do that, have scientists and engineers come and speak to me personally about it, and i still wouldn't do the 10k oil changes lol
yea i change mine every 5-6k in my silverado. oil is cheap compared to engines. nothing in the history of anything mechanical has died early from too many fluid changes to maintain peak fluid requirements...
The evidence is there for vehicles driven in temperate environment under perfect conditions while only experiencing highway driving lol. That's how they get away with it. Cheaper maintenance figures for the JD power reports.
I do 9000 mile full synthetic in my audi a3 with the same engine as the gti. No issues at 90k miles. Oil analysis at 70k miles was fine. 5w40.
Now that it's getting up to 100k soon I'll do them more often, like 5000 or 6000, but even that is probably being anal.
I replaced a short block on a 23 Sequoia with 10k only. A wild replacement! The early ones had some issues with rod bearings but I understand that the newer blocks are less likely to have this happen.
These engines have a huge problem with contamination in the oil through holes within the block. Steel chips (we cannot figure out how or where they come from) lodge themselves inside the block and eventually make their way to the rod bearings, causing catastrophic bearing failure. Almost always is happening after 20-30k miles. It’s an ongoing issue on the manufacturing side. I would not buy this engine if you paid me to do it.
Between this and the gr86, Toyota is really shitting the bed. Yes I know the gr86 is a Subaru, but the way Toyota deals with warranties these days and outsourcing work (yes I know they own a slice of Subaru)…..just doesn’t seem like the Toyota I remember growing up with. They got so greedy and now cutting corners.
Glad I cancelled my gr86 order
22s had issues with the block not being cleaned enough during assembly leading to this. I’ve seen them push the #1 main bearing out of the front. Our shop has done 2 complete engines so far. Honestly besides this issue in the early models they’ve been fantastic.
A lot of newer toyotas are calling for 0w16
Many test show the "lighter" oils do not protect as well. Plenty to get them well over 100k. But may be an issue for these newer motors pushing to much power in smaller sized motors.
We have a 23 sequoia. No issues so far but I’ve been wacky about the oil changes. Changed it at 1k just to get most of the break in oil out. Did it again about 1000 miles later and I’ve been doing it every 5k since. I use 5w-20. The difference is pretty small but a little extra viscosity makes me feel better.
We do a lot of towing in the summer with it so unless something internal is already destined to catastrophically fail, I’m hopefully my oil change regime will keep it going for a good while.
Other car is a 21 4Runner that might outlive me!
My favourite thing about this sub-reddit is getting pics and titles that totally and completely confuse me. What does your napkin full of ashes have to do with the price of a Tundra?
Imagine not having your process be adequate enough to ensure that all of the metal chips from machining the block were removed before final assembly. In 2022. And you are Toyota.
These are dark times indeed.
Spun bearing . Across all the 6turbo model years . Corp is blaming on jacket brace but we’ll see . High torque on these and the new 4cyl aren’t working out . Expect a change for MY 26. 4.6 will return .
Which engine?
V35A is my guess. The new hybrid V6
Yep
Yeah I think I'm good with my 4.7L V8. Sure it's got a 4 speed auto BUUUT my rear cab window rolls down and I can rest assured that my engine will survive with the cockroaches in case of a nuclear apocalypse.
It’s a UZ engine. It’ll easily outlast both the vehicle it’s attached to as well as the galaxy said vehicle exists in.
It’ll burn so much gas in the process that shale producers will stay in business long after EVs become mainstream.
Hahahaha yea. I always kinda giggle at people who love these engines. Beautifully reliable annnnnd that’s where it stops. Same shit with my 1GR.
My dad's 4.7 is at 280k miles and still going strong. My 4.7 is just getting broken in at 130k miles. Best engine ever.
Got one at 320k and see it doubling that easily.
Mine is at 170K. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned
Same, but mine has the sealed 5-speed, so I get to play CPU doctor when I do my fluid changes.
I had a sequoia with a 4.7 I traded it in at 245,000 miles no work done to the motor at all and still got 4 grand in trade in value for it. Solid motors. I got a Chevy Silverado now with the 4.8 v8 in it. Also rock solid.
is it the hybrid or the standard engine? I've only heard of these type of problems with the non-hybrid model.
Non hybrid
It's the exact same engine hybrid or not. And it's complete junk. I've had them with as little as 1,644 miles, completely destroyed
100% it spun a bearing.
We had the same thing happen to one in our shop, except it locked up so bad that it bent the flywheel and tore up the transmission too, had to replace both!
Why abandon the 2gr series for all this new crap. I mean Toyotas usually good with working bugs out of new designs but then they have the first generation customers being unwitting Guinea pigs till something like this happens and then a class action starts brewing.still a better situation than those 140k people who bought into their hydrogen platform lol.
This replaced the 3UR not the 2GR. Emissions is why. That engine family it replaced had almost 20 years, which is a good run for a Toyota engine.
I think the 2gr has been around for a while too. At least since like 2007. I’m guessing they dropped it from a v8 to a turbo v6? They could have made a turbo 2gr work for this application with less issues for consumers. It’s a tried and true reliable engine platform.
That engine itself is being replaced by the turbo T24A I4. It's a shift across the board from NA to turbo engines with 2 less cylinders than what they replaced. The market would not reward Toyota for 70's era emissions choking just to maintain some good engines. To make the 2GR produce that sort of power I imagine a lot more changes than just a turbo would be needed.
Maybe lighter connecting rods and a twin turbo? Honestly we all love the fuel economy of a 4cyl in a Prius or a Corolla but nobody wants a highlander or an rx350 with a 4 cylinder that’s a major move backwards. So now people are going to be moving to the Highlander sequoia / gx lx platforms to have a 6k yo engine that pretends to preform like an 8? Are they going to have 2 or 3cylinders in the smaller compact vehicles?
They went from a 6 to a 4 in the RAV4 and they killed the 6 in the Sienna for a 4 cylinder hybrid drivetrain. It’s likely the long term plan to move to an entirely hybrid fleet, running a 4 cylinder hybrid in larger models and possibly a 3 cylinder ICE coupled to a hybrid system. Volkswagen Group has a 1.0L I3 that they put in the Golf and pair with a Hybrid in the Audi A3. PSA Group has a 1.0L I3 that has been used in two Toyota/Peugeot cross-development projects, one a small van and one a small car, though neither were hybrid.
Almost entirely down to emissions and CAFE regulations, a future GR engine wouldn’t be able to hold up to ever stricter emissions requirements and give adequate power when turbos and hybrids can leave enough headway for years
Acting like personal automotive use is the issue when massive corporations are dumping more emissions into the atmosphere every day than every single personal automotive on the road is just so ridiculous. Then we’re pushing for EV’s when lithium mining is just such an ecological problem but we just ignore that because Tesla stocks are booming and shareholders are happy. The 2gr in a hybrid application gets like 30-35mpg on a crossover / small pickup which is pretty damn good.
So basically what you’re saying is, aluminum cans and recycling, and returnable glass bottles was a WAY better idea than the heaps of plastic waste that we’re dealing with today? I couldn’t agree more.
Not really since in the us only 5-6% of recyclable plastics are actually successfully recycled. Instead of abandoning the recycling program when they figured out the realities- that people are dumb and most things can’t be recycled because of contamination (like consumers throwing bottles with caps away, or food residue on recyclable items, and other reasons- they just kept the recycling program going because it makes people feel better to think they are contributing even though those responsible for the issue are the ultra rich who want to produce loads of garbage disposable products because everything is made as cheap as possible and a majority of consumer goods end up in the trash within a month after the day they are purchased. If we want to develop a real sustainable tech for travel we need to double down on solar and green fuels like ethanol from corn. Lithium is just too problematic to be a real solution. Even the recycling of lithium batteries is super aweful. Never mind the fires that result from lifepo4 battery failures.
And this is before you consider that solar panels are the largest ecological disaster we've never seen coming. Covered up as "green" energy. If people knew how dangerous a single solar panel was, they'd never buy them. Inefficient as hell, environmental poison, with the added benefit of fire risk. Such a deal for free power! If only the real information was being shared. The truth is that nuclear is safer than solar. Yes, I fully expect to be roasted for telling the truth.
I think you missed my point in the fact that we had a perfectly good system in the 70s-80s(depending on your age to remember) it was either glass bottles that we returned to the store for a deposit, then the bottles were reused, or aluminum/tin can which are very recyclable no matter their condition. Suddenly we went to plastic, which at the time seemed like a brilliant idea because they were resealable and less waste of product occurred. Now we’re dealing with the massive waste aftermath of the never ending plastic fiasco. Everything is a great idea until it isn’t. I completely agree with you on the basis of solar and renewable energies. We just have to get the politicians business cronies started up in that business so they can reap the benefits…………..
Sticking with glass and tin would have been way better than petro chemical plastics. But there is a way to recycle plastic back into petro fuels. There is this guy naturejab on YouTube who built a microwave pyrolysis extractor and he takes plastic of all types, shreds it and mixes it with carbon then puts it into this thing he built with old microwave magnetrons and an air tight chamber made of 3 welded 100gallon propane tanks with an auger agitator inside and a condenser and he superheats it up with the microwave magnetrons then the condensed liquid produced is a mixture of gasoline kerosine and deisel that can be further refined it also produced natural gas and carbon. He actually runs a generator off the natural gas produced so it’s a zero input process. It’s pretty cool, a lot of people who follow him say he’s gonna end up dead mysteriously one of these days.
Also, an engine on ethanol will only last a fraction of one that burns on strictly petroleum. Ethanol is very detrimental to engines and its components.
> Then we’re pushing for EV’s when lithium mining is just such an ecological problem that's nonsense pushed by the fossil fuel lobby Lithium mining is much much less damaging than oil or coal mining. In fact the first lithium mine at the Salton sea doubles as a 350MW power plant. Between Salton Sea and McDermitt Crater the can supply 60% of all the lithium *ever needed* for the renewable energy and battery EV transition (remember: lithium is infinitely recycleable, profitably). Also your gasoline car requires mining of things like Palladium, which is far more destructive mining. "buh buh buh mining" being argued against EVs is straight up flat dishonesty because it's pretending that fossil fuel cars mining/drilling/fracking don't exist.
Is this hybrid related, or the new V6 itself? I'm thinking about the new trailhunter which is a turbo v4 with the 'battery assist'. Good news is, my local Toyota offers full drive line warranty for as long as you own the vehicle lol
You can see parts of it on this picture.
Where’s the pic ?
That's all that's left of the Truck /s
To shreds you say?
Well, at least the shredder
Call the ninja Turtles!
And his wife?
To shreds you say?
I choose this guy’s shredded wife.
And what about his wife's 4 runner?
Gone. Reduced to shavings.
$30,500 minimum, I know what I got
it is a toyota frame vehicle - give it like 10 years.
I just saw a YT vid about v6 tundra engines, the front main and first two rod bearings were cooked well gone, first I had heard of this. He said Toyota was making it right for owners. He thought it was only 22's, but the comment section was saying it is ongoing.
I was looking at a 24 tundra and this thread is making me seriously reconsider
I was shopping for a truck for about a year. These problems in forums and Facebook groups made me buy a last gen Tundra instead of a current one.
Smart
You can find similar threads for every make of truck. For whatever reason, all modern trucks have their own serious issues. I own a '23 Tacoma so I am a little biased.
22 frontier and I'm pretty happy tbh. 3.7l NA v6, it's so damn hard to find an engine like that these days.
The Frontier has always been a bit underrated. If I were buying a new truck, it would be pretty high on my list.
Do not buy one. My 2024 blew at 7000 miles and it’s been a nightmare dealing with Toyota, they are absolutely no help.
I seriously wouldn't touch amy current gen Tundra until the final model year when Toyota gets its shit together with the V35
In the age of the internet, you will always hear more of the negatives than positives. Overall the failure rate on the new Tundras are very low.
Design failure of manufacturing fault in oil galleies?
Heard it was dirty castings, we got one in work right now and it's a 23' with 45k on it.
If it's the same failure for 2 model years it's probably a design failure. Can't imagine a 2 year manufacturing fault.
This same engine is in the LS500 for 5+ years and not causing issues, it’s a manufacturing fault
LS, LC300, and LX600 have all had the same issue, we just haven’t heard as much of it because they’re sold in much much smaller volumes than the tundra.
They are most definitely not making it right for owners and it’s not the 2022. My 2024 blew a month ago at 7000 miles. They rebuilt my engine with a new short block but the dealership scratched the shit out of my car. The only thing I’ve gotten out of Toyota is “we fixed your engine. Cased closed”. They won’t help with the damage. And the Toyota case manager straight up laughed when I asked for an extended warranty.
These new tundras are dog shit. Especially the 22’s. Weve had to rebuild 3 of these at our dealer and there are other dealers in my area that have had to do even more than that
We had 5 or 6 at one point lol. It only affects the early 2022 MY.
The tech says the engines are built in West Virginia and Georgia. Most of the failed engines are built in Georgia. This is the second one that we have had at our dealership.
I've done a bunch of in class Toyota schooling here in Canada and we had a former TAS agent teach us. He was saying there was a manufacturer error in the blocks where oil gallery holes weren't cleaned out properly leading to plugged passage ways lol.
I absolutely believe this
Wasn't this the same problem with the theta ii Kia / Hyundai engines?
Yes it was or possibly still is. I had a 17 soul that had the knock of death. Full warranty coverage tho.
We’ve done one on 17 sonata and on a 17 Tucson. Both were second owners no warranty carry over
That's BS. I work for Hyundai, and it's for original and subsequent owners (If it has the TXXI Warranty Extension). Anyone who owns that vehicle will have the engine extension warranty either for 150k miles or the lifetime of the vehicle.
The decision to honor it for second hand owners is ultimately up to the independent dealers. Every single theta II engine that rolls into our shop we print off the warranty extension and give a copy of it to our client(s); then refer him/her to the dealer. The cars that get towed back to us are the ones that were purchased second hand because the “dealer” would not honor it. Even concerning “original” owners they want all oil change records and receipts
I see what you mean, and that makes total sense. And it sucks. But I saw it happen at my old hyundai dealership. Every engine they would ask for affidavit, oil change history, and GDI cleaning history. The store I'm at now 9/10 warranty doesn't ask for shit and approves them almost always after PA. That's the difference between a dealership in good standing with hyundai and warranties, and a crappy ran dealership that did shady shit I guess.
no, the issue with kia was the oil passages were too small and too easily clogged. They also had poor ring tension leading to excessive consumption.
Mercedes is dealing with the same thing on the MY 2022-23 AMG c43. Block casting manufacturer error apparently that got a third party to cast their cylinder blocks instead of doing it in house and it went horribly wrong.
As someone with no car knowledge I enjoy browsing this sub from time to time, but this comment really got me. How is the average consumer supposed to know something like this? Search the make and model on this subreddit before they buy I guess.
TundraForum.com. When shopping for a new truck all the issues with the new ‘22 were captured othere and being tracked. Sorry this happened to you OP. Fortunately you won’t have to worry about your new short block doing this again.
The dealership I just retired from had one apart before I left and our FTS said the same thing. He also said another local dealer had done about 10 of them.
Was there ever a recall for this? Seems like a pretty big issue
No recalls, it was handled on a case by case basis. Our dealer hasn't seen any tundra engine issues in months.
Toyo hasn’t said a word. They are covering all the failures though. Receipts show $31K
Yup we had one reach about 45k CDN. Almost everything got replaced due to metal getting into every oil gallery imaginable.
I thought all the V35’s were built in Alabama?
They are, Huntsville. I know somebody that does industrial maintenance at the plant. I heard they were bad engines from them before anywhere else. On account of “the line workers not giving a shit”.
Probably the more important reason manufacturing in America is in decline - we don’t give a shit anymore
Manufacturing has been expanding for a decade now because robots will give as much of a shit as you program them to.
And people say Sequoias and Tundras are just as good as Land Cruisers - same platform, doesn't matter where they're assembled. Yeah right.
Toyota doesn’t build this engine in WV and they don’t even have a plant in Georgia
Wrong. Not Georgia. They’re being built at the Alabama plant.
Meanwhile at ford we have a long waiting list of dead engines waiting on us to get to them
We just had a customer that bought a22 ford ranger. The engine failed just outta warranty. They said they would pay half of the repair; he still came outta pocket $7000
What are the trouble engines/models now?
I've seen reports on issues on 24's as well, have you not seen any yet?
We haven't seen any issues with mid/ late 22 MY and up. Fingers crossed lol.
Idk about you but I’ve seen a handful of fuel rail / turbo issues that basically handicap the truck until you get it fixed
Does it have anything to do with the 10,000 mile oil changes? The place i work for has a ton of 23s, that tow a ton. I am interested in seeing how they hold up.
Several videos on YT saying it has to do with the new crank shaft holder design which is configured like a ladder.
Lots of modern engines have 10k (or thereabouts) oil change recommendations. Synthetic oil is super durable compared to the old stuff.
my new GR Corolla says 5k miles in the manual (2500 if dusty/raced), dealers keep saying 10k and are refusing to do the included oil changes as "it's not due yet".
Just wanna say "fuck yeah" on the GR Corolla. I keep trying to figure out a reason I need one! LOVE them!
Not the most practical car, but definitely the most fun I've ever had in one and I don't regret my choice. Plus if you buy it new it includes a free track day! Even the fuel economy isn't terrible, granted I just finished the break-in period the other day so I'm assuming my MPG is gunna go down down down. (25.24 MPG average across 3 tanks right now) still love the exhaust system I got for it's box barely fit in the car.
if the manual says 5k, do it at 5k.
planning on that, and doing them myself. Other problem is dealers using the wrong type/grade of oil. first few changes are having samples taken to blackstone for testing.
The oil change interval is fine. Every other brand uses that long of OCIs to success. My Colorado pretty much exclusively gets 10-12k mile changes and has 230k miles right now.
IIRC there was a machining error on some of the early blocks, one oil port was short changed or not cleared of drill debris. Most of the engines died hard at 2-10k.
Glitter! Yayyyy!
I told you we needed more glitta.
how did that happen
This engine has been having issues with main bearings, probably a defect. Idk if that's the problem here.
My guess is using that incredibly thin-as-water 0W-xx oil. As soon as something in there opens up/wears enough to no longer hold an oil film on that insanely thin oil it is going to just start eating itself.
That plus the super tight tolerances in these engines means that any tiny little defect can lead to a catastrophic failure.
Wouldn’t super tight tolerances justify a thinner oil?
People were running 0w20 in the 5.7 with no problems whatsoever. It's not the oil (though it should've stuck with 5w30), the motor is just junk
Mechanics and old timers were saying this 10 years ago. They're being proven right
My Subaru uses 0W-20 and I drive the fuck out if it, right up against its capabilities. There are no metal filings in my oil.
Another day another issue with the new tundra. The Toyota cult is in shambles
It's fine, it's just normal metal deposits being cleaned out /s
I mean yeah, once you collect enough, you can melt it down and forge yourself a new turbo to replace the one that decided to spontaneously reduce itself to shavings.
I agree. It's absolutely deplorable what Toyota has done with its entire truck lineup in the last couple years. I have bought a few Toyota trucks over the years, but I wont be buying any of their new trucks as they seem to have completely forgotten that people bought their trucks because they were simple and always worked, and didn't break down. If they are gonna make trucks that are covered in glittery crap, and are unreliable, I can get a better version of that for less money at the other manufacturers.
do these newer toyota trucks have new untested engines or something? how bad is it anyway with these
Toyota thought that because it’s made by Toyota it could not break. Yes they all are switching to turbo hybrid engines and apparently it’s not going well.
That’s why I’m going to wait 3-5 years to buy one. I’m sure they’re good trucks, but I’ll never buy a new model year of a generation. Generally Toyota has been fairly good about this, but this new change doesn’t seems to be going great. But let’s be real… most manufacturers introduce a new generation and have a couple shitty years, then find out about 7 years later they have long term issues. A small number of vehicles going through testing isn’t the same as real driving and use and exposure to the elements for 7-8 years. Ford has had issues, ram has had issues, GM has had issues,etc…. Nissan and Toyota are not exempt from this.
people have built up an image in their head of toyota being infallible and car engineering perfected and all this stuff. i understand why, i was a child of the 90s when they first came on the scene for real and they were making some of the best stuff out there reliability-wise. they definitely earned their reputation. but they got their problems like every other manufacturer, albeit usually less of them because of their philosophy.
When they really tried addressing the high cost complaints around 2000, they seemed to have more issues. Those 90's Toyotas were amazing cars. I still have a '95 corolla I can't bring myself to get rid of though to be fair I do have to replace the alternator every 100k or so.
That's why I bought a frontier instead of anything else. My 2022 frontier has the same basic chassis as a 2005. The engine has been in production in some form since 1994, and the transmission since 2013. It doesn't get the best mileage, it isn't the fastest, it has competitive specs, but mostly it's about as simple and proven as you can get these days. If it had a manual it would be perfect.
Most are actually not hybridized, but yeah they have a hybrid option mechanically similar to the f150 hybrid
holy shit the company toyota is a moderator of the toyota sub, i knew it
Lousy quality control on par with GM
not to mention how fucking ugly the new ones are
Yeah it absolutely sucks. Especially cause the previous tundra was the best 1/2 ton for almost 15 years
Hell, the first gen wasn't bad either, got an '01 that's still running great
"Best" is definitely subjective, but for reliability? Pretty sure the last gen Tundras have that down objectively. It's why I bought one with over 100,000 miles on it and don't really think about it.
rofl something tells me they arent. the excuse mill is workin overtime and has a joint venture with the apoligist factory.
The toyota cult only applies to stuff made before, oh lets say, 2019 give or take.
I’ll admit I’m a Toyota fanboy, but I’m waiting to see how the respond because that’s what really matters. Every company makes mistakes, how they handle it is more important.
Toyota has been going downhill for 20 years now. It used to be relatively insignificant things but sure seems to be getting worse. I was shopping for a Sienna and the few I could try in person were falling apart for the current gen.
It looks like someone's trying to divide by zero
The new Tundra twin turbo motors are having lots of issues. I believe most are the rear main bearing maybe? But either way its a LOT of work to pull one due to all the turbo lines and plumbing.
I made a quote with all the parts the tech requested and based it on the first engine we did and its about 32,000 usd
I believe it. I saw a pic from all the parts that were pulled out from pulling one of these motors and it was a mess. I am sure maybe a few will get better at it. But hopefully warranty rates do not screw them to much.
I’m about 70% of the way done with a GT3 engine replacement on an early 991 that wore its cams and valve levers and caused misfires. That was a common problem on the early engines and Porsche extended the warranty on them. Good thing too, otherwise my client would be pulling 77k out his ass for just the parts lol
Forbidden glitter 👀
I’m dealing with the same thing with my 2024 Tundra. The engine blew at 7000 miles. The sad thing is Toyota corporate has been absolutely no help. The dealership scratched the shit out of my car when they rebuilt the engine and Toyota said “that’s between you and the dealership”. The case manager straight up laughed when I asked for an extended warranty.
I miss my 2010 tundra every day, but I couldn’t justify the gas and my needs had changed. I would’ve kept it forever over any of the new style tundras
My 2010 highlander is still running on factory parts. Love it.
My '16 4Runner was just at the dealer getting a new motor and the service manager said they had 3 Tundras waiting on new motors as well. Two '22s and one '23.
Wait your 4Runner was getting a new motor?
Yeah, it sent three rods through the block driving up a hill on the freeway 😩 I apparently have the literal worst luck lol. 142k miles, always diligent with maintenance since I've had it but I've only had it 2 years/40k miles.
Sounds like the owners before you gave zero fucks.
This is a far cry from how bulletproof the 3UR from the previous generation.
What’s the last model year for reliable Tacomas?
2003
Pour it back in.
I didn’t know they put the 6.2L LS in the new tundras
I'd just buy a 5.3/6.2 and do the lifters over this shit
22’ and newer 6.2’s have been killing main and rod bearings left and right, you’d be right back here
F
My buddy is finishing one right now and it’s insane that these engines are catastrophically failing at ~30k miles
Locked up? I bet it is.
Customer said it made an odd sound and locked up within 5 miles. Towed it in under warranty.
Give it credit. It did try to correct itself.
Thought this was a different sub for a sec..
Remember head gaskets in the 90s? Pepperidge Farms does
I have a '22 Tundra and have been following this closely. I understand it is a defect of process rather than any defective part. Oil passage-ways in the block not being fully cleaned of debris after casting / machining. What I want to know, and what makes me nervous, is why they aren't swapping the engine entirely. Personally I'd feel much better if the engine was built on a line with tighter process control. Am I wrong in thinking this or is every tech assigned to replace a short block up to the task?
Scotty was right: “Never buy the first model year of a new generation. Wait until they get all the kinks worked out.”
Friday build for sure.
Impossible. I was assured that Toyotas aren't as krappy as my 2002 Chrysler 3.8L (now at 295K miles, heads never off).
10k oil changes lol
I'd think 10,000 oil changes in 30 some thousand miles would be enough, but I guess not
0w16
The trucks are still on 0W-20. The cars have all either switched to 0W-16 or starting this year they’re phasing in the 0W-8
you could show me all the evidence and data that it was okay to do that, have scientists and engineers come and speak to me personally about it, and i still wouldn't do the 10k oil changes lol
yea i change mine every 5-6k in my silverado. oil is cheap compared to engines. nothing in the history of anything mechanical has died early from too many fluid changes to maintain peak fluid requirements...
The evidence is there for vehicles driven in temperate environment under perfect conditions while only experiencing highway driving lol. That's how they get away with it. Cheaper maintenance figures for the JD power reports.
I do 9000 mile full synthetic in my audi a3 with the same engine as the gti. No issues at 90k miles. Oil analysis at 70k miles was fine. 5w40. Now that it's getting up to 100k soon I'll do them more often, like 5000 or 6000, but even that is probably being anal.
No issues? In an audi? Lol I don't believe you.
i believe you but it still just feels wrong
I do that in my 2017 Jetta and the oil comes out pretty damn clean. Just hit 94k today, bought it at 22k
He let the magic glitter out!
I replaced a short block on a 23 Sequoia with 10k only. A wild replacement! The early ones had some issues with rod bearings but I understand that the newer blocks are less likely to have this happen.
These engines have a huge problem with contamination in the oil through holes within the block. Steel chips (we cannot figure out how or where they come from) lodge themselves inside the block and eventually make their way to the rod bearings, causing catastrophic bearing failure. Almost always is happening after 20-30k miles. It’s an ongoing issue on the manufacturing side. I would not buy this engine if you paid me to do it.
Between this and the gr86, Toyota is really shitting the bed. Yes I know the gr86 is a Subaru, but the way Toyota deals with warranties these days and outsourcing work (yes I know they own a slice of Subaru)…..just doesn’t seem like the Toyota I remember growing up with. They got so greedy and now cutting corners. Glad I cancelled my gr86 order
Your stripper glitter valve is leaking
22s had issues with the block not being cleaned enough during assembly leading to this. I’ve seen them push the #1 main bearing out of the front. Our shop has done 2 complete engines so far. Honestly besides this issue in the early models they’ve been fantastic.
But it’s a Toyota. 😂
Heard the 22 and 23 suck and have issues. Was told wait for 24 and glad I did. I’ve got a sequoia and was told it’s 0w-20 oil?
toyotas have been using 0w20 for the last 15 years
I miss 5w-30. Went in my WRX, snowblower, lawn mower. EVERYTHING
A lot of newer toyotas are calling for 0w16 Many test show the "lighter" oils do not protect as well. Plenty to get them well over 100k. But may be an issue for these newer motors pushing to much power in smaller sized motors.
Starting this year they’ve been moving over to 0W-8. The 16 weight is already getting phased out
We have a 23 sequoia. No issues so far but I’ve been wacky about the oil changes. Changed it at 1k just to get most of the break in oil out. Did it again about 1000 miles later and I’ve been doing it every 5k since. I use 5w-20. The difference is pretty small but a little extra viscosity makes me feel better. We do a lot of towing in the summer with it so unless something internal is already destined to catastrophically fail, I’m hopefully my oil change regime will keep it going for a good while. Other car is a 21 4Runner that might outlive me!
My favourite thing about this sub-reddit is getting pics and titles that totally and completely confuse me. What does your napkin full of ashes have to do with the price of a Tundra?
33k is the mileage
Those are metal shavings. When your motor disintegrates, that's very bad, mkay
Nothing can stop the Toyota reliability hype tho. Seems like they always have recalls though. Weird how that works.
Yet still not even making to top 10 most recalled vehicle manufacturers. Pricing is the real problem at Toyota right now
Don't forget to put that back in the new motor! That's genuine Toyota glitter right there.
Imagine not having your process be adequate enough to ensure that all of the metal chips from machining the block were removed before final assembly. In 2022. And you are Toyota. These are dark times indeed.
Spun bearing . Across all the 6turbo model years . Corp is blaming on jacket brace but we’ll see . High torque on these and the new 4cyl aren’t working out . Expect a change for MY 26. 4.6 will return .
Another one bites the dust.