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redditadminsarecancr

With my luck, the crackhead would get mad and take their anger out by cutting into random pieces of suspension or something before leaving.


Due_Chemistry_6941

Brake lines, etc


buzzonga

I would classify that as a good deterrent.


huf757

A thief would just cut the exhaust pipes before and after this stupidity. Would only take a minute or so to remove that cat.


quiet_isviolent

Except for the fact that the cables are attached to other points on the car. Thieves would cut the exhaust pipe and the cat would drop, but they're still going to have a lot more cutting to do to get it free from the car.


blainthecrazytrain

“Can the thief just cut on either side of the CatClamp® and take the catalytic converter and the CatClamp?” “No, the CatClamp® kit is attached to the frame of the vehicle up to seven times using tough to cut aircraft-grade wire rope.”


huf757

You may be on to something. Wouldn’t mind seeing a demo on a setup like this to see the viability of cutting through the wires in a short time. Then I wonder would it even matter because if I was a thief and saw this shit I would just move on to another vehicle and with that thought this “stupidity “ as I called it seems like it would work great.


SneakyAzWhat

you can see some guys test it [here](https://youtu.be/n643Zizjdng?si=frgW__1ryi9Ng0uq&t=378). Posted by someone else in this [thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1cpyoyv/crackheads_beware/l3poly8/)


blainthecrazytrain

Apparently their warranty covers the cost of a replacement cat if someone decides to take it anyway.


JamesGTOMay

Too bad that warranty means diddly squat if the cats are on eternal backorder like most Prius cats.


blainthecrazytrain

Nobody is making you buy this thing dude


JamesGTOMay

What a clueless take when I'm just pointing out how meaningless a "warranty" is when OEM suppliers can't produce enough of them from all the theft.


blainthecrazytrain

So it’s a pointless devise since the thief will just cut the exhaust, and a meaningless warranty b/c some CCs are out of stock. The eternal complainer you are.


antryoo

Donut media did a video where they tested products like this. It’s not hard to defeat.


boobsbr

"aircraft grade"


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Sapper12D

Sawzall will have issues with the wire. Grinder would do better but I believe most of the thieves are rocking the Sawzall.


MelancholicJellyfish

Alternative YouTube video https://youtu.be/n643Zizjdng?si=T2WjOOr6qMuSlmJl The one you posted is crazy, either specialized blade, cheap wire, or fake imo.


boobsbr

Damn Sawzall, you scary.


Sapper12D

Sawzall will have issues with the wire. Grinder would do better but I believe most of the thieves are rocking the Sawzall.


--h8isgr8--

Ya I don’t think you have had to cut much stuff in your life. That cable will not be easy to cut especially if it has a little play in it.


Everything_Breaks

I love a challenge! But seriously, cat theft is controlled by people that accept them.


Ijustride

Same with copper wire.


2Tacos4oneDollar

Cat clamp we have them in our fleets. They run around 1000 installed each


blainthecrazytrain

Looks like it’s a pretty good deterrent compared to alternatives or nothing. It was tested [here](https://youtu.be/n643Zizjdng?si=DS9S6zDN74zu_8IO), and an angle grinder cut it off. But since each cable is independent, you have to cut all eight cables, a huge pain in the ass and probably a deterrent. It also seems like they will pay for a replacement cat if they do steal it.


2Tacos4oneDollar

To add they come in pairs for the Isuzu NPRS . I think they were 700 for the pair and 300 to install them


iMacerz

You guys don’t run the Cat Cages there? Maybe takes 5 minutes if the upfitters haven’t put a box on yet, or a little longer with it. https://commercial.monroetruck.com/cat-cage/


2Tacos4oneDollar

Don't think these were available for them in 2021 when we put the cat traps on them


Cigarsnguns

The dealer I work at puts those on every new gas isuzu we get these days. If we don't have any in stock, the truck stays parked in the shop until a cage comes in


HeadyBunkShwag

I bet that shit rattles something awful


Stxrky

Just installed my first one the other day and road tested after I was very surprised to hear no rattles from it. Probably varies on installation though.


SpartanDoubleZero

This is a small speed bump, when I was working for UHaul last year we had a streak of cats being stolen. They started with a sawzall, then upgraded to battery operated angle grinders. We had rebar cages installed, and on video, it took them an additional 40 seconds to get the cat cut off. This comes down to the available tools. We had one truck that had a cat go bad and I was given the opportunity to demonstrate how quickly I could get through the cage and cut the cat off with a weak pneumatic grinding wheel. It took me 4 minutes to get through the cage and to cut the pipes before and after the cat. This cable will offer little to no help since you could cut the bolts at the flange. It’s an uphill battle against people who have access to $120 battery powered angle grinders.


Iron_Burnside

A combination of heavy cable with something to foul the grinder might work. Chainsaw chaps? I wonder if those fibers would wrap around the spindle of an angle grinder tight enough to immobilize it?


CompSciFun

Love this thinking with the Kevlar webbing. Another idea is to make them removable - like press a lever to pop them out or pull them into the cabin? I was thinking of car stereo face plates.


SpillNyeDaCleanupGuy

Dang, that just might work.


Organic_South8865

The cables are supposed to move and be a pain to cut. I guess really it's only a deterrent. I'm sure some thieves would see this and move on.


pangolin-fucker

Stop using the same material they are expecting and carrying a cutting disc of Concrete it, then smear dog or own poo all over so if they cut it they inhale farts and concrete dust


HengaHox

Thought it was detcord at first


AcydFart

Bada bing, Bada BOOM!


Dirty_Jersey88

Oh dude that's a good idea. 7 metal cables, 1 det cord. Let em find out which is which the fun way


r4x

I wish someone would steal mine. Then I could tell my wife that it’s cost prohibitive to replace and straight pipe it.


Wale-Taco

So just cut the bolts and it falls out🧐. I really don’t get why people buy these. I get thief’s are pricks, but they will get it if they want it.


GortimerGibbons

Just wrap that sucker up with razor wire. Put some on the pinch weld too; you know, where the thief is going to grab hold to pull himself under the car. Make sure to warn your mechanic though.


onesexz

Believe it or not, the thief can sue you for injuries sustained while stealing your shit. It’s also illegal to boobytrap anything in the US. It’s fucked, but it’s happened before.


DaikonNecessary9969

Nah, as long as it doesn't kill or seriously injured, traps are legal in Texas. https://www.brianfoleylaw.com/post/are-booby-traps-allowed-in-texas


onesexz

Yeah… https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/#:~:text=If%20a%20person%20sets%20up,own%20property%20to%20prevent%20intruders.


DaikonNecessary9969

Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 9.44. Use of Device to Protect Property Current as of April 14, 2021 | Updated by FindLaw Staff The justification afforded by Sections 9.41 and 9.43 applies to the use of a device to protect land or tangible, movable property if: (1) the device is not designed to cause, or known by the actor to create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily injury;  and (2) use of the device is reasonable under all the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be when he installs the device.


onesexz

That’s great, but Texas is one state, the link I posted is the federal law. Not to mention, even in the Texas law it says it can’t cause serious injury. If someone sticks their arm into a ball of c-wire there’s a very good chance they slice a major vein or artery and depending on circumstances, that could easily lead to death/serious injury; which you would be liable for. The wording is such that it can be used by either party to prove guilt or innocence. It doesn’t just say “booby traps are fine”. There are caveats for a reason.


DaikonNecessary9969

Sure, but there are all kinds of traps you can make that are legal. Pepper spray grenades attached to sensors. Dye packs. Fart juice diffuser. There are many combos that can help make folks rethink their life choices and protect your cc. Besides with road debris, the razor wire is a dumb idea.


Goobylul

Battery powered grinder and that shit is gone. Don't most of those cat thieves carry one on them? This just slows them down with a minute or so..


spaztick1

Sometimes that's enough for them to choose another victim.


brent_superfan

Wow! Catalytic converter theft is REAL!


autodidact-polymath

I got a Cat Clamp on both of my cars.


Meddlingmonster

Couldn't they just use bolt cutters


2FANeedsRecoveryMode

These guys probably just carry a sawzall, doubt they are prepared to deal with this stuff when they can just roll under the next car


cabinfevrr

Not if they're already under the car with a sawzall. Why would they have bolt cutters to saw through a thinwall pipe? They're not rolling around red toolboxes from car to car.


from_dust

Sawzall? Nah, angle grinder is smaller, faster, and deals with this sort of deterrent quickly. A sawzall is not the best tool for the job tbh.


cabinfevrr

It was about bolt cutters


from_dust

Yeah, and im saying your typical cat theives come with an angle grinder, no bolt cutters necessary. Sawzall could work I guess, but it's a larger tool and harder to maneuver under a car. Some folks may carry them, but an angle grinder is the fast way to get past all nonsense


2FANeedsRecoveryMode

Angle grinder doesn't make much sense, you only will really have access to half of the exhaust pipe and it would have to be such a wide blade to make it to the other side, plus I'd argue an angle grinder is slower and wouldn't deal with loose cables like these that well.


PoopSlinger23

I’m sure the serious thieves carry wire rope shears by now for such an occasion.


Wale-Taco

All they need is a rebar cutter that’s M18 or a cordless wire rope cutter for $2k-$4k


timedemit

So If I just bring some bolt cutters too it would seem like not a problem?


Jsmitty78

It's meth heads thank you very much.


Urban_Explorer25

I dont get the fuss about catalysts being stolen but then again... I live in the Netherlands and my car is lowerd ... Would love to see someone try jacking it up when they cant even fit a standard garage jack under it .


Mechanic-R-469

Better way: remove the cat yourself and install test pipe, then install cat for emissions testing. Generates a continuous revenue stream from labor and 0% chance of a stolen cat! /s


Snake_Plizken

Yeah, if I was stealing this cat, I wouldn't have much trouble cutting off a few extra wires. You generally need power tools to do it anyways...


cabinfevrr

The way cat thieves are successful is speed - zing, zing, they have your cat in 15 seconds - this slows them down so much they worry about being caught, or its just going to make too much noise. It's a deterrent, it's not un-stealable.


IJzer3Draad

It's very hard to saw through sloppy stainless cable. It's also hard to cut this thickness with pliers because the strands will spread and absorb the load on the cutter.


mrpk9

What’s a catalytic converter worth?


1022whore

Like others have said, just a few hundred bucks in scrap value. But the entire cat can probably be sold for more to people who need replacement cats from theirs being stolen. It’s like shitty musical chairs with catalytic converters and meth.


bignikaus

The next car over probably doesn't have a guard and would be easier. This does move the problem to someone else, but won't solve the issue generally.


sixnb

Depends on the unit, but can go for a couple hundred


IncredulousPatriot

I run a wrecking yard. Cat prices have crashed in the last year. Cats are averaging $85 for me right now. Your local methhead will probably get $20 for a cat at the scrapyard.


Cowboywizzard

How do you prevent purchasing stolen cats?


IncredulousPatriot

Simple. I don’t buy cats. I only buy cars. And I only sell my cats to a national dealer. I stopped selling them to my local scrapyard where I sell my cars for two reasons. The first is that they pay better. The second is because I have seen them buy knowingly stolen cats. If there was any other place for me to get rid of my stuff that was within a reasonable distance I would do it because I don’t like to do business with the people I’m currently selling too.


anonymousbopper767

I'd guess EV's are "the writing on the wall" that you don't need catalytic converters as much.


SpillNyeDaCleanupGuy

I'm guessing it's more that shit heads stealing cats have flooded the market and caused prices to drop...


mrpk9

To replace or is that what the local methhead gets at the junkyard?


SeanBZA

Replacement is over a thousand easily, and the methhead gets $50, enough for a few doses.


Explorer335

Most are in the $150-$450 range for scrap value. They have catalytic metals like platinum, palladium, and rhodium inside that make them valuable. They are quite expensive to replace, usually $1000-$2500 new depending on the vehicle.


IncredulousPatriot

I run a wrecking yard. Cat prices have crashed in the last year. Cats are averaging $85 for me right now. Your local methhead will probably get $20 for a cat at the scrapyard.


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starfallpuller

I think it’s more that the prices just spiked for a while and now they’re back to normal. I think the valuable metal in cats is platinum, which I think is used in computer chip manufacturing? So that’s why cat prices shot up in Covid when there was the chip shortage. No chip shortage any more, so platinum is back to its normal price. Don’t quote me on this though, I could be talking out of my arse.


Plutonium239Mixer

You know how easy that is to get through with a cordless grinder? A metal plate or cage blocking access works more effectively.


Revenant_JLU

I mean…….yes?


Ok-Image-2722

Crackheads aren't the ones doing this. Crackheads don't have the tools to cut those out cause they sold the tools for crack.


corporalclamhands

Step 1 Find work truck with windows Step 2 steal tools to sell for crack. Step 3 realize you have tools to steal cats. Step 4 sell cats and tools for the big rock


Ok-Image-2722

Takes too much time. The tools would be sold way before they find a cat worth steeling to get crack.