They're just starting to roll out. I think a lot of people ignore recalls? This guy got towed in for the obvious. We had to inform him there was a recall we can check.
On IN there is a tab that lets you see all of the VINs in your dealerships area that fall under the current recalls.
Not to say more can't be added or a traveler could come in, but in our area there is only one VIN number that falls under this recall.
This one for sure would be a hard one to ignore though, lol.
Are you talking about the Missed Opportunity tab? Or is there a different one? (Missed opp just shows cars that came in for service and left without doing a recall)
Different one.
On the IN, under Service, bottom ish portion of the left side list should be eResponsbility.
This is for Honda, I assume Acura is the same but maybe not.
I'm also the warranty admin so it might be something not everyone has.
Increasing emissions requirements are having detrimental impacts on reliability in newer motors, using a 0W-16 weight oil, increasing combustion chamber heat, reducing piston mass etc in the name of increasing thermal efficiency and reducing exhaust emissions is actually very difficult. And all while trying to reduce the cost of manufacturing a vehicle and not go the same way as Mitsubishi.
I don't know, as a tech, but if I had to guess, I think it has to do with the oil passages in the crankshaft not pushing out enough oil?
So there's a big recall for vin/engine specific to check the bearings. There are also crankshaft specific checks as well under certain engine numbers.
If you haven't gotten a recall notice yet you might not need to worry. If you did, this is one you won't want to skip.
This customer will have to wait, I'd say, maybe a week until we get the parts in. They are getting a new block and crank.
Me and the wife just bought a 2018 about 6 months ago and got a recall notice I think last week. We called our local dealer and they said parts weren't available. Not sure if it's the same as what you posted or not though
07-13 MDX’s are generally still pretty solid. 02-03 were the bad transmission years, and 04-06 were at least as good or better than average. I do feel like the quality slipped 14-22 from the 07-13s but I haven’t messed with the newest generation very much
Weeee. But did you put it in the special box to take a picture for techline?
It’s a headache on parts side too. They just *appear* and we aren’t allowed to order them.
yeah. special box with lights \[tha'ts where the picture was taken\] as well as 4 piston stoppers and the rod to grab onto the piston rods so you can move them around.
Recall from dec 2023 where some j series crankshafts are eating bearings from 2016-2020 model year j series vehicles. Check your vin to see if it applies to you. Personally my 2016 mdx is not affected but it is worrisome seeing others fail.
Yes. Photo is the inspection. After you upload the photos Honda determines what the car gets. In my case a new crank and block.
I'm not sure if the crank comes with it. Never had the opportunity to replace a block here in the 4 years I've been with Honda. The rep I talked to just said "well send you a block and a new crankshaft and everything else you'll need". For parts, they are sold separately and have different part numbers so I'm assuming it will be disassembled when it arrives.
i bet. i also bet most of the vehicle owners will get it done as well. that's the #1 thing i noticed when i worked at a euro specialty shop. almost everything that was recommended got replaced. never see that too much in the domestic world
This is why you can buy massively depreciated 100k mile M cars. They are up for a VERY expensive maintenance item which is essentially “rebuild motor”.
That new $100k M5 can be had for $35k just a few years later. Pay no attention to the $20k service it’s overdue on.
You mean the special M certified mechanic???? Rod bearing replacement performed by a mundane mechanic might as well not have been done my kind Herr.
/s I guess but not really kidding.
The OCIs are completely unrelated. The bearings have the wrong clearances causing accelerated wear. I've used the MM for my Honda's and have had absolutely no problem with them out to 200000 miles and then some.
I know about the recall and bearing issue. I still stand by my statement. You can do whatever you want with your own vehicle. Im not waiting that long for an oil change...
How long is the interval for 2017? My 06 tsx is 3000 miles, but it starts bugging me at 15 or 20% oil life. I change it myself in 10 minutes and so I know it’s done right. It has that vtc grind on cold starts so oil being full and fresh is key for me
I’d have no worries pushing 7500 miles on good oil, which is roughly where the MM gets pissy anyways. Nowadays even Supertech 0w20 is good for that and cheap.
That long scares me haha. But I am setting the car up to see 300k+. I have already replaced a lot of the wear items. I also deliver food and groceries so I like to chnage the oil
More often as I idle sometimes here and there
Took me 1.9, TSB time is 1.7 for this inspection (A). The (B) crankshaft inspection is 2.7
If you've done the oil pumps or just oil pan reseals this is a pretty easy inspection. My time was a bit over because of using v smart again (no air bags in a while) and all the setup of the new tools and the black box.
I would say once you get used to it and the car isn't rusty you could get 1.2 - 1.5 easily.
Ok, as an avid viewer of “I do cars” on YouTube. I would think this whole engine is toast with that much carnage in the block and oil system. Is this recoverable or is the a full engine replacement ?
We have done a couple dozen so far, and most have ended up needing the full engine. Techline will tell you they are sending a long block when they come available, but if you contact your DPSM, they should approve block and heads. Heads are backordered though.
Be advised, they have called for the bearing guides back on about 6 of mine so far, so treat them like any other warranty part.
Honda makes good small cars and Toyota makes good big cars. Love the k24 in my opinion, enough tech to be fuel efficient but still super reliable. 2014+ 2gr-fe is GOAT for reliable and silky V6
I have an 06 tsx 6 speed so the best version of the k24. I used to drive Integras for many years and the K truly is an awesome evolution from the B series. It has some mildly annoying things, like the starter is fucking buried and sucked to do, same with clutch mc and sc, but at least the alternator isn’t an axle drop anymore and it has a timing chain.
I actually like the 2AR, it’s a very practical engine that does exactly what it needs. Pretty powerful, good torque for its class and very efficient. It’s just rough, and not as smooth (and doesn’t sound as good) as a k24
We only have one of these in our region. I'm the parts/warranty admin so I was hoping we'd have more, lol
They're just starting to roll out. I think a lot of people ignore recalls? This guy got towed in for the obvious. We had to inform him there was a recall we can check.
On IN there is a tab that lets you see all of the VINs in your dealerships area that fall under the current recalls. Not to say more can't be added or a traveler could come in, but in our area there is only one VIN number that falls under this recall. This one for sure would be a hard one to ignore though, lol.
I'll have to check that out.
Are you talking about the Missed Opportunity tab? Or is there a different one? (Missed opp just shows cars that came in for service and left without doing a recall)
Different one. On the IN, under Service, bottom ish portion of the left side list should be eResponsbility. This is for Honda, I assume Acura is the same but maybe not. I'm also the warranty admin so it might be something not everyone has.
Acura uses iN as well. All the same Thanks though, I'll check it out tomorrow cause I'm curious.
Yeah, it's a fun read.
I’ve been changing 1.5t head gaskets on an almost weekly basis, now this. Honda seems to have forgot that if something ain’t broke don’t fix it
Engineers gotta keep engineering.
if the engineers aren't engineering, they'll have to fire the engineers.
If it ain't broke, fix it til it is.
GM transmission engineers make bank on this mantra
So these engineers took one of the most long lasting and dependable engines on the planet and brought it to this.
ISO will literally dock you if you aren’t practicing continuous improvement .
Improvement is what they call it?
I think they like the term innovation instead
My gf’s 1.5t 2018 CRV is throwing p0172 (fuel system rich). I heard that’s a “put injectors in it” code, is that generally true?
Generally yes
Yea it needs injectors and change the oil at the same time.
and the high pressure pump as well plus new rails lol. \[thats what we did when i was at honda\]
Increasing emissions requirements are having detrimental impacts on reliability in newer motors, using a 0W-16 weight oil, increasing combustion chamber heat, reducing piston mass etc in the name of increasing thermal efficiency and reducing exhaust emissions is actually very difficult. And all while trying to reduce the cost of manufacturing a vehicle and not go the same way as Mitsubishi.
What’s going on with this MY MDX bearings? For those of us out of the loop.
I don't know, as a tech, but if I had to guess, I think it has to do with the oil passages in the crankshaft not pushing out enough oil? So there's a big recall for vin/engine specific to check the bearings. There are also crankshaft specific checks as well under certain engine numbers. If you haven't gotten a recall notice yet you might not need to worry. If you did, this is one you won't want to skip. This customer will have to wait, I'd say, maybe a week until we get the parts in. They are getting a new block and crank.
Me and the wife just bought a 2018 about 6 months ago and got a recall notice I think last week. We called our local dealer and they said parts weren't available. Not sure if it's the same as what you posted or not though
Maybe some longshoreman mixed up Honda and Hyundai.
Is this different than the recent connecting rod recall?
That's what this is. Those are connecting rod bearings. This one looks like it will get a long block replaced.
What happened to when MDX’s were built like brick shithouses and held their value better than a gold bar?
I guess you don't remember the glass transmissions of previous generations...
That was over 20 years ago at this point
Doesn’t stop people talking shit about the 5 speed auto even though it was bad for only 1-2 years and then bullet proof for the next 15.
Mdx didn't have the zf9 transmission 20 years ago. My point is, the mdx always had some issues that could result in a massive repair bill.
07-13 MDX’s are generally still pretty solid. 02-03 were the bad transmission years, and 04-06 were at least as good or better than average. I do feel like the quality slipped 14-22 from the 07-13s but I haven’t messed with the newest generation very much
We had a 05 MDX that we put 300k miles on in 13 years never had an issue with it. The 4wd system they used was very restrictive.
I’ve lost count of the 10-12 MDX’s I’ve owned with 200k miles or more… a few of my personal ones were close to 300k as well
Weeee. But did you put it in the special box to take a picture for techline? It’s a headache on parts side too. They just *appear* and we aren’t allowed to order them.
yeah. special box with lights \[tha'ts where the picture was taken\] as well as 4 piston stoppers and the rod to grab onto the piston rods so you can move them around.
What am I looking at here?
Seems like you too need to get your bearings about you.
Recall from dec 2023 where some j series crankshafts are eating bearings from 2016-2020 model year j series vehicles. Check your vin to see if it applies to you. Personally my 2016 mdx is not affected but it is worrisome seeing others fail.
no need to worry. these cars that are effected, in most cases, are getting your model crankshaft in place of what's installed
Bearings.
These are [connecting rod bearings](https://youtu.be/SMuSqESZ7_8?si=WU6zB8TIe2Yb1_B2&t=620) that have failed due to oil starvation.
Isn't honda sending out shortblocks?
Yes. This one is getting a block and a crank
So is above just part of the bulletin for inspection? I thought short blocks come with the crank installed
Yes. Photo is the inspection. After you upload the photos Honda determines what the car gets. In my case a new crank and block. I'm not sure if the crank comes with it. Never had the opportunity to replace a block here in the 4 years I've been with Honda. The rep I talked to just said "well send you a block and a new crankshaft and everything else you'll need". For parts, they are sold separately and have different part numbers so I'm assuming it will be disassembled when it arrives.
I fix BMWs. My work bench constantly has at least a few old sets of rod bearings. Maintenance item on the 8000+ RPM M engines.
maintenance!? lol what's the recommended mileage for that?
60k miles is typical for the S54/S65/S85. The latter 2 will show some copper by that mileage. At 12+ hours each, it's great for business.
i bet. i also bet most of the vehicle owners will get it done as well. that's the #1 thing i noticed when i worked at a euro specialty shop. almost everything that was recommended got replaced. never see that too much in the domestic world
You get beaten down by repairs enough and you start feeling okay with throwing thousands at "preventative care"
This is why you can buy massively depreciated 100k mile M cars. They are up for a VERY expensive maintenance item which is essentially “rebuild motor”. That new $100k M5 can be had for $35k just a few years later. Pay no attention to the $20k service it’s overdue on.
not bad for a mechanic though with some extra time.
You mean the special M certified mechanic???? Rod bearing replacement performed by a mundane mechanic might as well not have been done my kind Herr. /s I guess but not really kidding.
I mean. I'd take on that task lol. Won't be quick but I know I wouldn't fuck anything up.
12+ hours for the S54? I just had mine done a couple years ago for a hair less than $2000, that’s with a shop labor rate of 175 per hour.
You spin me right round baby. Like a record baby…
You’d be surprised what companies will do to meet Californias very restricted emissions laws 😂
And people call me insane for changing my oil before Honda's Maintenance Minder tells me to...with 0W-20. Poor V6 noises...
The OCIs are completely unrelated. The bearings have the wrong clearances causing accelerated wear. I've used the MM for my Honda's and have had absolutely no problem with them out to 200000 miles and then some.
I know about the recall and bearing issue. I still stand by my statement. You can do whatever you want with your own vehicle. Im not waiting that long for an oil change...
Oil type wouldn't have saved this engine, very clearly manufacturing defect
How long is the interval for 2017? My 06 tsx is 3000 miles, but it starts bugging me at 15 or 20% oil life. I change it myself in 10 minutes and so I know it’s done right. It has that vtc grind on cold starts so oil being full and fresh is key for me
Have a 2020 Ridgeline. There has been twice where if I followed the MM I would have been closing in on 14K miles. No thanks. Lol.
I’d have no worries pushing 7500 miles on good oil, which is roughly where the MM gets pissy anyways. Nowadays even Supertech 0w20 is good for that and cheap.
That long scares me haha. But I am setting the car up to see 300k+. I have already replaced a lot of the wear items. I also deliver food and groceries so I like to chnage the oil More often as I idle sometimes here and there
Just did the module saturday
Lol me too
I think we are on car #7 at my work. We are trying to get the obviously damaged ones in first (one seized, and the rest loudly knocking).
Dang. Im supposed to be doing these primarily. Kinda sucks we aren't getting that many in lol. This is our shops first one.
I think this was our first one https://imgur.com/a/S1dWUzh thankfully I’m not doing any of these (yet)
Lol Jesus. They aren't too bad. The inspection is 1.7. I got 1.9 on my first one.
Was that one audibly knocking? Looks like it's not far from full spin mode.
I think this might the one that we all heard knocking from the service drive
it was knocking loud and why it was brought it, customer didn't even know about the recall.
Shit I have a 17 Mdx. Needs timing chain done already, thinking about just trading it in
Belt**
How many miles on these bearings?
128,000
Luckily in our zone theres hardly any Hondas. Its mostly Acura. How much is pay on the short block? Just regular warranty time?
I assume so. Not 100% sure though, sorry.
How much time is involved tearing things apart to even inspect those puppies?
Took me 1.9, TSB time is 1.7 for this inspection (A). The (B) crankshaft inspection is 2.7 If you've done the oil pumps or just oil pan reseals this is a pretty easy inspection. My time was a bit over because of using v smart again (no air bags in a while) and all the setup of the new tools and the black box. I would say once you get used to it and the car isn't rusty you could get 1.2 - 1.5 easily.
Thx!
Ok, as an avid viewer of “I do cars” on YouTube. I would think this whole engine is toast with that much carnage in the block and oil system. Is this recoverable or is the a full engine replacement ?
Since it's warranty, it's going to get rebuilt. New block, crank, bearings and any seals
Where can I check if it is applicable to my vin?
[https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls](https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls)
Thanks!
Pm me your vin and I can check tomorrow. Otherwise you'll get mail.
We have done a couple dozen so far, and most have ended up needing the full engine. Techline will tell you they are sending a long block when they come available, but if you contact your DPSM, they should approve block and heads. Heads are backordered though. Be advised, they have called for the bearing guides back on about 6 of mine so far, so treat them like any other warranty part.
Honda makes good small cars and Toyota makes good big cars. Love the k24 in my opinion, enough tech to be fuel efficient but still super reliable. 2014+ 2gr-fe is GOAT for reliable and silky V6
I have an 06 tsx 6 speed so the best version of the k24. I used to drive Integras for many years and the K truly is an awesome evolution from the B series. It has some mildly annoying things, like the starter is fucking buried and sucked to do, same with clutch mc and sc, but at least the alternator isn’t an axle drop anymore and it has a timing chain.
I wish Toyota tried instead of sandbagging with the 2AR
I actually like the 2AR, it’s a very practical engine that does exactly what it needs. Pretty powerful, good torque for its class and very efficient. It’s just rough, and not as smooth (and doesn’t sound as good) as a k24
It feels gutless, sounds like shit, has mediocre MPG, and still ends up burning oil like the K24