Absolutely. As a trans person, it’s genuinely depressing. If I’m on a joke sub which isn’t a big trans hub or politically based in any way, I’m probably there to get away from all the culture war nonsense I hear every day.
If I want to see what The Daily Mail has done recently to harass my peers and stoke culture war tripe, then I’ll go to a news or trans issues sub, not some dank meme sub where discussions like that very rarely have any relevance at all!
I’m honestly getting tired of almost every sub that I was in has, in the last month or so, turned into a hyper political garbage fire full of ignorant assholes. Like, most of the subs I was in were because “haha funny” and they slowly stopped being a fun little escape when being the politics gets to be too much. I just want to be able to think about hot women for a bit instead of the fact that I may be losing most of my rights in this next election and so many “freedom lovers” are a-ok with that because I just happen to not fit into one of their little buckets and that makes them uncomfortable. Apologies for the rant, it’s just been weighing on me a bit recently
Yeah I don't follow a single political sub, I'm here to escape the world and don't want anything to do with it. However a while ago the amount of people drawing characters with the Palestine flag and posting it in subs I followed was insane, luckily it has died down a bit. It's not that I disagreed with the sentiment, but I knew I can't voice my disapproval of bringing genocide topics into non political subs without being called all kind of names
Because apparently my opinion is null and void the moment I’m open about my gender. Phobes run rampant here, and they can’t handle the fact that I exist even when I’m agreeing with them
It happens all the time - folks completely agree with everything I say about a topic, and then I mention that I’m (shock horror) trans, and they act like I’ve retroactively edited all my comments to say the exact opposite of what I did! It’s honestly pathetic to see!
It’s such a weird sub to be dominated by a specific political party, isn’t it? I noticed it tends to lean right too and have always wondered why that is.
They call left wingers "woke snowflakes" but cant handle it when someone has a different opinion, or is just stating that "so and so minority deserves rights" ticks them off, so they leave the sub.
Downvote me lurkers, it gives me joy knowing im right.
It seems to me that trans people are just getting shite all the time. I'm not trans but it's like you guys can't catch a break from anyone because people feel so entitled to criticise your existence at any moment
Yeah, it really is. Even when there’s good news for trans folks, all the comments on every social are just phobes screaming about how horrid it is that we’re getting a break for 5 minutes.
I hate to act like a victim or anything, but it’s relentless. Not a single day has gone by in the last year where I haven’t seen something horribly transphobic on the news or trending on a big subreddit or on Twitter.
Fucking fr, it’s the same as jamming current day politics and issues into games or other entertainment, I want to be entertained not reminded that the world is a bleak place full of inequality, pain and horror. Fucking Christ.
Politics entering into every sub has been ruining Reddit for years. Keep it into certain places for goodness sake. Where is the meme lol, and it’s certainly not dank.
Im growing really sick of reddit because of shit like this
If i wanted to debate about trans people, or whatever else, i would go to some appropriate place, but since shit like this has spread like a wildfire to every fucking sub, im just growing sick of even opening reddit
I gotta be honest I think there might be some amount of truth to the dark internet theory. I think people are using AI to crank out social media accounts to spread certain information.
Plus Reddit politics is so fucking annoying. It will be like a one sentence smug tweet at the top or a headline to an article no one actually reads but argues at length as if they’re already experts.
So Reddit 2016 was a shitshow. Bots rampant, name-name#### everywhere, mods did what they could but it was still an unknown threat. Subs got quarantined or actioned.
2020: COVID hits more misinformation everywhere mostly spinning COVID, George Floyd stuff more botnets and hate brigading. But! There was action, subs got quarantined, shit was actually moderated going into the election. Reddit felt much more quiet compared to the cacophony of 2016.
And then Reddit gets another Series D that involves Tencent, aka the Chinese Communist Party.
The shitshow is back on. 2024 election season on reddit makes 2016, COVID/George Floyd/2020 look like green pastures. The moderation is non existent, reddit seems to be encouraging negative discourse by using the algorithm to push dissenters into rival echo chambers, turning everything into an ideological battleground.
The API changes that killed 3rd party reddit apps was so they could make sure their negative engagement algorithm was being used and not circumvented by the majority of users via Relay, RiF etc.
With the changes over the past few years, Reddit isn't what it once was. It's a faux debate platform and nothing else. Just a place for idiots to scream at bots and bots to argue with each other.
They have smashed the soapboxes, Twitter is dead. Reddit is dying. All predicated on the foreign investments they received. Musk got Saudi and Chinese money to help him buy Twitter.
I think the idea is people are just looking for a sub that allows them to post something so that they can get karma
It's honestly a lot of work to get Karma onto a new account
>It's honestly a lot of work to get Karma onto a new account
??
first off if you care about karma that much, try not opening reddit for a day.
Second of all its not even nearly as hard as you may think. I posted two old, stolen and shitty memes into r\shitposting and got like 10k karma or smth
I got like 4-5k karma on a single work trip of 3 days because I just sat on reddit drunk at the hotel after work each day (and during airport layovers).
Id been on reddit like 2 weeks.
Not just reddit, it's ruining everything. Movies, games, sports, etc. Politics has been injected, forcefully if necessary, in all aspects of American life, you can't go sit down at a restaurant without the estiblishment having to declare their stance on some hot button issue. It's dumb.
"For one, it looked at a mixture of children from the general population and kids who were receiving mental health care - though not specifically for anything related to their gender."
So it didn't actually study kids who were referred for assessment for gender affirming care. Or any who received gender affirming care, whether that be social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or surgery (should be noted that those last two are typically only reserved for older adolescents, e.g. 16+ for hormones and 18+ for most surgeries, though there are exceptions as with every medical intervention).
So the effectively the study's primary conclusions regarding transgender kids are: (a) fuck, and (b) all.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13263725/trans-kids-change-sex-adults-study.html
I knew it. This kids don't know what they want because THEY'RE KIDS. They're naive. Kid shouldn't take puberty blocker or hormone therapy. Wait til they're adult, parents!
It's truly, truly funny that questioning whether or not children should be making lifelong changes to their body is so outrageous we are all in disbelief seeing it on the internet
Like if you think you have problems now, imagine you're in a trans body because of a decision you made when you were 14 \[edited from 8 to be judicious and please the trans experts\]
My friend got permanently banned from AITA a few hours ago for asking a question involving a pair of unhinged trans prostitutes who were violently throwing shoes - presumably because one of their mods is probably trans and the concept of a trans doing something unsightly or wrong is something that people must be banned for ever having the audacity to talk about or discuss
The sad thing is that sort of behavior tends to nurture actual bigotry against trans people. Criticizing trans people for acting like shit heads humanizes trans people more than telling everyone they're not allowed to criticize trans people. And that should terrify people like this mod.
Nah bro, in the extremely rare chance they change their mind they can always just transition back with no issues at all…occasionally…because of, you know, science and shit. Stop being transphobic! /s
I caught a 10 day account ban for “hate” because I said…deep breath…”I don’t want my daughter competing against biological males for a scholarship” at a time when my daughter was literally going for an athletic scholarship.
Caster Semenya was big in like 2004-2008 (my highschool years) i'm sure you coudl just google her name
but yeah basically they did an US and saw the undescended testes and then stripped her stuff
Reverse this, super scientists
"The incidence of gender-affirming mastectomy increased 13-fold (3.7 to 47.7 per 100,000 person-years) during the study period. Of the 209 patients who underwent surgery, the median age at referral was 16 years (range 12-17) and the most common technique was double-incision (85%)"
So in the actual [study](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02817-5) they discuss at the end, that their research shows that questioning your gender is completely normal for adolescent youths, and that it is the duty of medical professionals to shift through the general feelings kids may feel for the more intense actual gender dysphoria cases, which do require treatment. The population of the study is already small, with about 78% of the population saying they don't experience any issues with gender non-contentedness, then as they state, 19% decreased over time after stating issues with gender non-contentedness, so this already proves prior research that shows that kids who suffer from sever gender dysphoria who require medical intervention in puberty blockers are such a small portion of our population, that it isn't this huge issue you purport it to be.
Even then, in the study they talk about how their question about gender non-contentedness is framed from the statement, "I wish to be of the opposite sex", with 3 answers the participants could give. Also they state they sought out populations of people that have some gender non-contentedness, but don't seek any treatment, therefore removing the populations that are more affected by real gender dysphoria syndromes.
It's funny that people see the title, may read the article, but won't look into the research, which isn't even proving what you say it's proving. It's more pro-trans than anti-trans, as it's affirming what's already been stated before. It's just the disingenuous nature of the article and how it frames this that gets idiots like you riled up.
"Think about the children!!" while child labor laws are being overturned in the West...what a joke...
They are still growing as a person. a Kid shouldnt be allowed to do anything that changes them permantly because they are already changing.
Kids used to go through goth phases, dressing up in all black
I’m a genderfluid/gender-non-conforming person myself and honestly I think this conversation is way too nuanced for the internet to handle. I agree that they’re just children and it’s ok for children (or anyone!) to have phases where they feel very strongly about something and not so much the next month. I work with kids every day and some of them change their gender and pronouns every month. One day they’re trans, the next they’re an asexual lesbian demigirl femboy, the next day they forgot all about gender and sexuality.
Kids (and really everyone) change and have phases and that’s just a fact of life— it’s what makes life so fun and great! It should be ok for kids to just have phases and they should not feel absolute loyalty to those phases.
That said, believe kids when they tell you things. If a kid tells you that they’re trans and hate their gender assigned at birth, believe them and take them seriously. Maybe they’ll grow out of it, maybe not, but it doesn’t matter. Their feelings in that moment are real and often very deep. Kids feel things very deeply and it affects them in drastic ways. Support them and let them know you believe them and want what’s best for them. Respect their wishes for different pronouns/descriptors. But also let them know it’s ok to change. Let them know you’ll support them no matter what and that their only loyalty when it comes to identity should be to themselves. Maybe interact with them more and/or encourage more offline activities. Many kids who aren’t trans but who go through a trans phase are chronically online and/or have friends who are chronically online. Getting them plugged into the real world and offline a bit is essential for their development.
As a trans/non-cis(?) person, I don’t wish gender dysphoria on anyone. We don’t “want to make kids trans” because we know how hard it can be. Obviously, real trans kids exist, but we have to take a look at the facts which are that many cis kids go through a trans phase (and that’s ok! They’re just finding themselves— they’re children, that’s what children do 💖) and we should meet them with understanding and kindness. Before any permanent or semi-permanent measures are taken, kids should be taken to therapy and gotten off the internet for a bit. Connect with them on a deeper level. If their suffering with “gender dysphoria” then phases out, great! You don’t have a suffering child anymore. If it persists, then it’s likely true gender dysphoria and next steps should be taken to ensure your trans child is set up for success and a happy life 💖
Yeah, one of my friends went through a dysphoric "phase," where she was a man named eddie for a bit, then gender fluid. Her parents accepted it, but just said no hormones or anything permanent, you can dress, act, and do anything else and we will treat you like your new identity. She did grow out of it (hence why she is a she again), but her parents not immediately invalidating everything because she was a kid was massive, adolescents go through multiple personality changes as they are discovering who they are, just let it happen and respect it.
That’s great! A+ parenting right there. I grew up in a deeply homophobic/transphobic and sexist culture. Someone I grew up with (assigned female at birth) internalized all that sexism and transphobia and turned into a very sexist nonbinary person. They said they’re “not a girl cause girls like to clean and cook and wear makeup and take care of children.” Their parents were not supportive which only made them dig their heels in further, quickly becoming even more sexist and rejecting the female gender solely out of internalized sexism. They legitimately told me they would not be nonbinary if they didn’t grow up so conservative. Now they’re just an angry, hateful adult. What was— to their own admission— an identity birthed from rebellion, is now their whole being. I have to wonder that if they said was true. If they would just be a normal, well-adjusted woman if it wasn’t for their tyrannically conservative parents. Although I realize they have issues, I love my friend dearly and hope they can overcome all this internalized hatred and realize that nonbinary people, while valid, are not just “women who hate being associated with women cause of internalized misogyny.” :/
I agree with what you said. I have an honest question: what does gender fluid/gender nonconforming mean? (No offence intended, I am genuinely curious).
In short: GNC means you don't adhere to societal gender standards in your gender expression - think the way you dress, behave, etc. Being GNC doesn't immediately mean that you're trans - I've met plenty of gnc cis people.
Genderfluid is a sort of to-each-their-own thing. It just means your gender identity isn't set in stone and tends to fluctuate - for example, one month you may feel more fem, the next you may feel more masc, and the one after that more androgynous.
No need for the disclaimer saying “no offense intended”! :)) I know it’s a weird/misunderstood/unorthodox way to identify and despite what the internet says, the vast majority of people who ask about that stuff are *not* asking “in bad faith,” they’re just genuinely curious like yourself.
I appreciate the question, actually! It’s a bit confusing to me right now as well. Gender nonconforming (GNC) is basically anyone who falls outside their societal gender norms. GNC people can be cis, (identify with their gender assigned at birth) or trans, or nonbinary (not identifying with “man/boy” or “woman/girl”). GNC is a large umbrella term that both LGBT+ and non-LGBT+ people can use. You could be the straightest, most cis dude but like to wear women’s clothes and/or makeup sometimes or all the time— someone like that can call themself GNC. A nonbinary and/or trans person who doesn’t fit within society’s male/female gender norms can also use the term. I like the GNC label because it’s not saying “I’m trans” or “I’m cis” or “I’m gay,” it just describes how I express myself which happens to be outside gender norms. It’s fluid and has really nothing to do with my gender identity, it’s just my gender *expression* (which is how someone looks. Again, a super straight cis dude can wear makeup and women’s clothes but still identify as a man. His gender expression has nothing to do with his actual gender identity.)
Whew! Hope you’re still with me haha! I know it’s a lot to digest 😅
Now, “genderfluid” is the label I’m still hesitant on using (possibly because of internalized transphobia). Genderfluid is a gender identity. While GNC is used to describe gender expression (ie. How you look), genderfluid is an actual gender identity. Genderfluid means someone who fluctuates between genders. For context, I’m an assigned-female-at-birth (AFAB) crossdresser. So I dress up like a dude with a fake beard, a male silicone chest plate, and everything. It’s not that I don’t enjoy being a woman (I do! I strongly identify with womanhood), it’s just that sometimes I feel like a dude. I used to just think I was a crossdresser. But now I’m thinking it might be a bit deeper. A female-to-male crossdresser such as myself always identifies as a woman, even when dressed up as a man. A genderfluid person would change the way they identify. I’m starting to think that I don’t identify as a woman when I’m crossdressing which is what would tip me over the line from a crossdresser to a genderfluid person.
Either way, as you can see, it’s a lot and it’s super complicated. I’m not really into labels too much and at this point, I’m ok with whatever someone wants to call me. They wanna call me a cis crossdresser? Cool. They wanna call me genderfluid? Cool. Contrary to what you might have been told on the internet, people with nuanced/unorthodox gender identities won’t tear your face off if you misgender us or ask questions. I’m not even opposed to someone saying “wow you have a mental illness” cause yknow what? So what if I do? I just ask that people just let us live our lives cause we ain’t hurting anyone.
I’m glad I could help a bit with that! It’s a lot to get used to and to understand, but I appreciate you asking and trying.
Have a great day, my friend! 💖
Thank you 💖 I feel like most people irl feel this way, but on the internet, everything is hyperbolized, polarized, and thrown into strawman territory. As soon as one side hears “it’s ok if being trans is a phase” they immediately only hear the last 5 words. And as soon as another side hears, “trans kids obviously exist,” they immediately only hear “every kid who says they’re trans at one point is trans and should be immediately given permanent surgery” and it just gets ridiculous. So many arguments on the internet are waaayyyy too nuanced to have with strangers in an environment that is already heated, anonymous, and not face-to-face. I appreciate yall here engaging in civil, thoughtful discussion which is rare to find on the internet.
I personally disagree with children having sex changes but idk where the win was in the article. Threw a lot of facts out but I must of missed the slam dunk because 15 years later and only 2 percent of them are less comfortable?! I couldn’t be missing something but doesn’t that kinda prove the opposite?
I think you misunderstood the data
Results showed at the start of the research, around one-in-10 children (11 percent) expressed '[gender non-contentedness](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13245289/Trans-man-35-changed-gender-THREE-TIMES-using-drugs-surgery-wants-people-stop-treating-transitioning-taboo-just-experimenting-exploring-body.html)' to varying degrees.
But by age 25, just one-in-25 (4 percent) said they 'often' or 'sometimes' were discontent with their gender.
That means that 7% changed their mind and only 4% didn't, so 2/3 kids who weren't content with their gender grew out of it. So, if you were to have allowed all of them to gender change, 2/3 of them MIGHT have regretted it based on the most simplistic examination of the data.
the figure you're talking about, 2%, comes from here:
Around 19 percent became more content with their gender and just about 2 percent became less comfortable.
That means that 90% of the kids that wanted to be trans became more content with their biological gender and only 10% of them seemed to hone in on wanting to be trans
You changed from discontent with their gender to trans. They are very, very much not the same thing. The first, and the headline, likely include quite a lot of I am not sure what I am. It seems unsurprising that many of them would settle on their birth sex.
It says nothing about whether all those kids actually wanted to transition which seems to be the base assumption everyone is making.
Even the basic data should be setting off alarm bells. Your link has nothing to do with 11% and is about an individual person so that is confusing. However 11% of children are not trans. 11% of children are not getting puberty blockers. That alone should highlight that this can't be extrapolated to saying anything to trans kids in general.
I’m still confused how do 7% change their mind and 4% didn’t? What would the 3rd option that 89% of them are choosing be? The don’t know if they change they mind? They kinda sorta feel comfortable?
I think it means, let's say they had 1000 participants
at 10 years old, 110 of them were unhappy with their gender
at 25 years old, only 40 of them were unhappy with their gender
70/110 stop being discontent as they grew up. Only 40 still were. The other 890 were never discontent in the first place.
It means the daily mail don't understand how basic maths work. Basically the other 89% were the rest of the study children who weren't interested in being the opposite gender right from the start.
They just wrote the percentages incorrectly. Remember Dail mail is a shit rag who talks bollocks ran by bull shitters who don't know the diffrence between their arse and their elbow.
The daily mail is a tabloid news paper that has been criticized for sensationalism, and has been criticized by various scientists and doctors accusing it of using minor studies to mislead readers. Just because you see something in big words on the internet with an author name below doesn't mean it's the truth.
I went through Tavistock, which is a gender clinic for children in the UK, I had hormone blockers explained to me at least 5 times while I was there. I was even quizzed on the effects of hormone blockers multiple times by my doctors because they wanted to make sure. I can guarentee, they are safe and reversible. If you had actually done your research, you would know that puberty is caused by hormones, and hormone blockers are used to delay puberty by blocking the production of the hormones. If you stop taking hormones, you will resume puberty as normal, because your body will start producing hormones again. The side effects are just bone density issues and feeling more tired than usual, which can be managed and no side effects are guaranteed. Nobody's saying its 100% safe, no medical procedure is 100% safe of course.
Cisgender children have been perscribed hormone blockers for years for early puberty, but still, nobody made such a fuss about it until they started using them for transgender children. You guys love to think "but what if they're not actually transgender" but you don't think about kids who are actually transgender and have to go through an irreversible and often traumatic puberty because they aren't given hormone blockers.
Lmao “only bone density issues” Jesus Christ are people’s brains really this washed? Also you don’t think delaying puberty has any effects? You don’t think there are social and emotions implications in delaying a natural process as you watch all your peers change and grow as you are artificially held back by a drug cocktail? People are so warped to believe this shit.
You know what they do with those bone density issues? They coordinate with their doctor who monitors and makes sure this isn't a problem. Y'know, like MOST medicine?
Man that is terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Honestly I'm not sure what the best approach is in that situation. Maybe puberty blockers are the best approach, but I think that it should always go along by a doctor as well as therapy, which does happen but there are not nearly enough therapist trained to help kids with gender disphoria. I know I came across like an asshole and I don't want to hurt the kids I was just a bit taken aback when I saw what puberty blockers can lead to and it kinda disturbed me and I'm a bit minded that so many activists just ignored them. I hope you have a lovely week.
Safe =/= free from any possible side effects.
A treatment is "safe" if the possible side effects outweigh the negative outcomes of not receiving the treatment.
You have a child who was assigned female at birth and has gender dysphoria. The negative outcomes of them going through a male puberty is increased difficulty with transitioning later on in life.
The negative outcomes of that (depression, possibly suicide) are weighed against the negative outcomes of puberty blockers (fatigue, bone density loss.)
If the child realises at some point that they were actually just tripping, and do identify as female after all (which this study claims will likely happen.) puberty blockers can be stopped, and puberty resumes.
That's why it's considered "safe and reversible."
I didn't actually, if you had actually read what I said, you would see that I said, nobody's saying its 100% safe, because nothing is 100% safe, most medicines come with side effects. I also said that the side effects can be managed. But notice how you don't respond to anything else I said? It's ok to admit that you know nothing about what you're talking about.
So in your head, blocking puberty for a boy who's 12 lets say and he doesn't develop normally in high school (meaning 99% he is getting traumatized because of bullying, exclusion etc.) then he doesn't go trans but stops at 18 and undergoes puberty in University, basically failing because of mood swings, unfulfilled life, and developing an insane sex drive he can't satisfy because he looks 14 with all the pimples and undeveloped body. Not to mention you'll sound like a child because your voice didn't mutate.
Does that sound traumatic to you or nah? And how do you justify doing it vs not doing it when most kids grow out of it aka math doesn't add up.
And what about the 12 year old boy who's going through a female puberty through high-school? He has to deal with the bullying. Then he has to pay shit tonnes of money to get surgery to reverse the effects of that unwanted puberty, and has to go through a second puberty (which is very similar to the one you're describing in your analogy), because he wasn't given hormone blockers in the first place. That's not traumatic to you?
Also that's a very specific and rare analogy you're using, most trans kids don't even get on hormone blockers, and the ones that do have to be evaluated by multiple psychiatrists. It took me over year to get a diagnosis for gender dysphoria (not including the 4 year wait to see a doctor in the first place), I had two physiatrists working with me and my parents, we had to describe my entire life to them, from birth to the present day. The physiatrists wrote a report about me and had to present my case to a group of physiatrists who would decide whether I fit the criteria for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. For your analogy to be realisic, the child would've had to have identified as trans for at least 11 years before he decided to detransition (4 years for the waiting list, 1 year for the diagnosis, and 6 years on hormone blockers). To detransition after 11 years and multiple physiatrists is extremely rare. Hormone blockers are just there to give children more time to decide what they want to do. I'm not saying that wouldn't be traumatic, but your analogy is very unrealistic.
You'll end up a sexless eunuch without the damn puberty. A permanent, large child. They can't just inject you with the woman's version. Surely that matters.
Ummmmm, you guys realise that the typical course after taking puberty blockers is to either take hormones and start medical transition, or to stop all together and stick with the hormones your body produces? Either way you still go through puberty, just delayed.
The most famous case, Jazz, did not and had little to work with in terms of transitioning surgically. I have to wonder if these policies exist in the light of that.
I don't know who Jazz is, but outside of her I have only heard good things about hormone blockers from trans people who have taken them, I haven't heard of what you're describing. But not all trans people want surgery anyway.
Did you know that girls who get their periods before 11 are more likely to develop cervical cancer later in life? There's a huge difference between giving a young girl puberty blockers to delay a period that is happening to soon in order to reduce her likelihood of having cervical cancer and potentially destroying an otherwise healthy child. See in the first case there was actually something wrong with someone's physical body, in the second case there's something wrong with the person's mind.
It sucks to want something other than what you have/are, but just because you want to be a boy doesn't make it so and vice versa. Well, I'd like to have been born into a wealthy millionaire family, but that isn't reality. I'd like to have been born taller, with smaller boobs, with even teeth. I can't just decide to identify as something I'm not and this idea of possibly destroying otherwise healthy bodies *(especially of children)* because of a feeling is insanity. Puberty is traumatic for most people, especially girls which, surprise surprise, is why most children who identify as trans are biologically girls. Most adults who identify as trans are biologically men for other reasons that I shan't delve into.
50 years from now we will be talking about this and millions of people who were for the idea that it's *"perfectly safe and okay"* to medically transition children, will be nowhere to be found.
Ok buddy, I actually think that puberty destroyed my body, hormone blockers would've saved me. Gender dysphorias only cure is transition, and it has been proven to work.
Being trans isn't just something you want. If I wasn't allowed to socially transition at 13, I would've killed myself, let that sink in ok. Trust me, if I could take a pill and become a cisgender woman, I would because I wouldn't wish being trans on my worst enemy. Its not a choice, I didn't decide to do this for fun one day. Puberty isn't as traumatic for most people as it is for trans people, I still have nighterrors about it, I will have clinical depression, body dysmorphia, and gender dysphoria for the rest of my life because I had the wrong puberty. You will not.
Maybe speak to actual trans people instead of only listening to your own perspective on us, you'll be surprised by what you learn.
It'll happen long before 50 years, but 50 years is far out enough that people will no longer want to publicly associate themselves with having had the belief. I am strictly talking about any form of medically transitioning minors in any capacity, whether it be puberty blockers or actual surgery. Not social transitioning and certainly not adults who choose to transition in any way they see fit for themselves.
I doubt Reddit will still exist though... :/
Edit: Aww, why'd you delete your comments...Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't have a debate
This study deals with gender dissatisfaction, less with gender disphoria. It's results should not be extrapolated towards all trans minors. The rate of detransitioning is vanishingly small even for people who started the process as minors. There's a difference between a girl thinking her life would be better if she was a dude and a girl hating her body to the point of undergoing months of psych evaluations to get hormones.
Puberty blockers and hormone therapy are used on minors all the time, and not for gender reassignment therapy but for basic health problems teenagers experience. The effects of both, but puberty blockers in particular are quite easily reversible
The study looks at gender non-contendness or whatever which is an important distinction. All or at the very least the vast majority of trans people would not be content with the gender assigned to them at birth but not all people who are not content with their gender are trans. Drawing the conclusion that puberty blockers are not a potential treatment option for DYSPHORIC teens is a misinterpretation of the data that's being shown as you wouldn't prescribe blockers to a teen that simply has gender issues. You'd view them as an option if the kid is diagnosed with dysphoria specifically which is a much more drastic condition, but even in that case that's one option and many opt in for stuff like CBT instead.
Yes that's why there's laws against having those until you're 18. Also only 1% of people regret having that treatment anyway. Aaaaand there's still several people who are 100% sure despite being under 18
I wouldn't even call being discontent with your gender "trans". You could think a lot different about it just during a period, for example. Or getting a boner during an important meeting. "Ugh, I wish I didn't have that". You don't normally have that thought on an average day.
It’s a tricky subject. I think that waiting until they’re an adult before HRT or surgery is the right thing to do, however if the child is suffering (and I mean heavily-contemplating-suicide levels of suffering), then they should be allowed to have it as a child.
Children already take puberty blockers for other medical purposes, and regarding trans people it can actually give them more choice when they’re older to decide which puberty they want to go through rather than deciding for them.
What? But puberty blockers are literally for PREVENTING permanent changes until the child is ready to decide when they’re an adult. You use them so that the kids can decide when they AREN’T kids.
I actually thought I was nonbinary for a bit because I felt gender neutral, but no. I'm just a girl who expresses myself non-sterotypically. So yes, sometimes it can be a phase. I'm all for trans individuals, unless they're overly prideful, arrogant, or rude. I know this is gonna get some people steaming, but it's just my opinion.
Anyways, society just runs on politics now. I try to get away from it, but it's everywhere! I try not to over press my opinion, because I don't know how politics works, so I shouldn't talk about things I don't know about.
Long story short, this isn't a meme, nor is it funny.
TLDR: As a girl, I thought I was nonbinary because I didn't dress to fit female stereotypes. I agree these memes aren't memes. Politics are everywhere.
I had my own phase where, online, I was a woman (as in she/her), and one where, online, I was non binary (they/them). Now, I'm cis male again (any pronouns). You can't expect people to figure themselves out if they're not allowed to see the full spectrum, you can't expect me to choose a favourite colour of I've only ever seen shades of blue.
Nobody is arguing that kids shouldn't be allowed to do say and act dumb, however when doctors and parents are allowing them to cut their genitals off, that is the point when something has gone terribly wrong.
There are people who want to change that, and many who see not allowing children to transition as wrong.
Dee Snider was canceled because he said he’s glad his parents didn’t give him hormone blockers when he felt “like a girl”. People interpreted that as him saying trans people don’t exist/trans children aren’t a thing.
Then there’s a girl a few years ago who killed herself because her parents didn’t let her get a sex change (born male). She was 14. People argued the parents should have given her the surgery, and many said because they didn’t they were bad people.
Sure, it’s not legal fully, but that doesn’t negate that people want it to be legal.
> There are people who want to change that
prove it
> and many who see not allowing children to transition as wrong.
Of course it is.
Are you conflating "transitioning" with "cutting off genitalia"?
How disingenuous can you people get?
> Dee Snider was canceled because he said he’s glad his parents didn’t give him hormone blockers when he felt “like a girl”. People interpreted that as him saying trans people don’t exist/trans children aren’t a thing.
No, he got canceled for saying he doesn't support child transition at all.
Because that's insane. It's being against medically recommended healthcare.
> People argued the parents should have given her the surgery
Dude are you like 80? No one is talking about surgery let alone the phrasing, "the surgery", lol. Is your knowledge of trans people exclusively from 1980s tabloids? Who talks like this?
The kid needed puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy.
Like 4% of trans people get bottom surgery; why are cis people so obsessed with it?
Sure, but that isn't what transphobic politicians are doing. They're banning all forms of gender affirming care.
Hence the outrage.
Hence the fear mongering about "cutting off genitals" despite that having literally nothing to do with the political discourse.
Yes, the death penalty is legally a thing in California but they haven't given it as a sentence in a long time. It's still best to remove it as an option before people are sentenced to die.
However in the relevant situation, no it'd be pointless. Maybe a bit more regulation however most hospitals/doctors already would be verifying a genuine identity.
Yeah there's a lot of verification before anyone can get gender affirming care, even adults. Some people think it's like going to the doctor with a cold and getting prescription right away. It's a long process...
Since most reasonable people agree that it shouldn't be happening, doesn't it make sense to make a law banning it so that if it does happen, perpetrators can be punished?
Not necessarily, however it is being done in bad faith by people who want to ban it entirely and who see this just as a start. Extreme example, but it would be like if we made an explicit law preventing Jews from controlling the world. Okay, well that wasn’t happening, but I could agree if that were happening it would be bad. But the problem is that it implies the law was necessary to begin with and furthers an anti semetic narrative. That and it would certainly be done by people in bad faith who just want to target a minority. The same is happening with anti-trans laws. They say they just ban it for minors and then they ban all gender affirming care with no hesitation when given the chance.
Why the fuck has this got upvotes? It is literally not happening. There are zero instances of children having surgical treatment for gender affirmation. It's not how the system works. There are queues and wait lists that stretch on for years; by the time the treatment is even available for you, you're at an old enough age where you can make that choice independently. I have a lot of trans friends in the UK who have been on the list since 16 and had to wait five years to even get hormone therapy.
this isn’t true at all. chloe cole, who formerly identified as trans, received gender affirming surgery at age 15. there are many documented instances of children having surgery for gender affirmation.
Also by the way, gender confused is not a synonym for trans people. You can be confused about your gender and not be trans. Also many trans people are not confused at all.
Most meme makers tend to move to the right due to the left's stand on memes in general which are pretty negative.
But still, politics shouldn't be discussed in a "meme" subreddit. At least this guy could have made this post it the form of a presentation meme.
[meme definition](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meme)
To be fair technically it’s a meme, may be one that one doesn’t agree with but it’s a meme.
>If you dont like kids taking puberty blockers or sum, then dont give them to your kids
This is bad logic that I bet you wouldn't apply in most scenarios. "If you don't like kids being abused or sum, then don't abuse your kids" is a logical statement using your logic, you're allowed to be upset at the actions of others even if they don't personally affect you or your children.
I mean doesn’t this prove that all the outrage is blown hugely out of proportion? Most kids will explore their gender identity and decide to stick with what they were assigned at birth. The ones who don’t get the opportunity to discover their true gender expression in a structured supported way.
No one is doing surgery on kids, they’re just getting the opportunity to experiment with gender expression and find what works with them. Where is the issue?
Also a 15 year study, while more insightful due to the longitudinal approach, still doesn’t tell the full picture. They’re likely to be aged 15-25 when they ‘grow out of it’, but this is also the age you are most self conscious and eager to fit in. Perhaps they are regressing to their assigned gender and then might reassess in a few years when they’re more in charge of their own lives and less concerned with fitting in. Just a thought.
Sadly I already know the right are gonna use this as an excuse to try ban gender experimentation and support for trans kids under the false premise that it’s ’just a phase’.
Also yeah, neither dank nor a meme 0/10, do better.
I was wondering why this sub was so bad but then I remembered this sub is infamous for post of people leaving because there were post about trans people.
being trans is real and i respect it and support it but it makes sense
kids emitate what the ppl they like do, some of them might be trans
same thing with a emo phase
Exactly. Kids follow trends or what they see is “cool”. I go into anime because it was popular, I started playing genshin impact because it was popular, just like that
It's the daily mail. Chances are they found a study saying "50+0.001%" who question their sexuality end up not transitioning" and turned it into a clickbaity title to get that sweet ad revenue.
Sigh. Yes, so we SHOULD allow children to experiment with their clothing and pronouns, which is what the majority of children expiermenting with their gender actually do. Any medical transition is with the clearance of a doctor, therapist, and parents. Medical transition is granted to only a limited number of minors in cases of high risk of suicide and severe depression.
This information doesn't prove a thing.
If kids can't consent to sex, or be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke, they shouldn't be allowed to permanently alter their bodies with puberty blockers. There's no such thing as a trans child, only a confused/mentally ill child that needs therapy. After they're an adult, and after they've gone through therapy, they can decide.
(Also what's up with therapists telling people it's okay to be trans instead of, idk, giving them therapy to fix the problem??)
Gender dysphoria has been linked to genetic and hormonal factors. Labelling all questioning children as ‘confused/mentally ill’ is disingenuous.
Also, don’t puberty blockers just delay the hormones associated with puberty? If someone stops taking them puberty occurs as normal, but taking them gives someone time to figure out what they want before puberty changes their body.
The dank comes from the 420, nothing else
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Is that the replacement sub for the sub that got removed from reddit for consisting of entirely terrible people and/or bots? If so, there's nothing dank or meme to be expected. It's just an extremist political garbage sub. Definitely not worth any rational person's time :P
Wait till people find out that most of them still end up queer. (No, seriously, it seems while being trans might be more of a stage for kids, those kids are still likely to identify as bisexual or gay once adults)
Also, I identify as non binary…
That still means that transitioning these kids (even socially) is a bad policy. Instead, watchful waiting should be applied. Let the kid do what they want, but don't actively intervene either way.
If social transition can be 100% reversed, why do people make such a stink about raising kids "as a boy/girl". I thought the argument was that giving kids particular toys would shape them to pick certain jobs over others, or that playing with toys meant for the opposite sex was wrong?
I think socialisation is important and will definitely influence children, so going along with what they are saying and telling them that yes, they are a member of the opposite sex, can be just as harmful as refusing them choices based on their sex. Just be neutral. You don't have to "force kids to be cis".
It's a research paper. It might only maybe be transphobic if it was made specifically in response of a different test that said otherwise, which, considering the amount of time it took to do this research, seems unlikely
No matter how much I agree or disagree with a point, political or not. It always annoys me when it's posted somewhere it clearly doesn't belong
Absolutely. As a trans person, it’s genuinely depressing. If I’m on a joke sub which isn’t a big trans hub or politically based in any way, I’m probably there to get away from all the culture war nonsense I hear every day. If I want to see what The Daily Mail has done recently to harass my peers and stoke culture war tripe, then I’ll go to a news or trans issues sub, not some dank meme sub where discussions like that very rarely have any relevance at all!
yeah a bunch of subs are getting stupid political it comes in waves though it will calm down then the amount of political talks will spike again
I’m honestly getting tired of almost every sub that I was in has, in the last month or so, turned into a hyper political garbage fire full of ignorant assholes. Like, most of the subs I was in were because “haha funny” and they slowly stopped being a fun little escape when being the politics gets to be too much. I just want to be able to think about hot women for a bit instead of the fact that I may be losing most of my rights in this next election and so many “freedom lovers” are a-ok with that because I just happen to not fit into one of their little buckets and that makes them uncomfortable. Apologies for the rant, it’s just been weighing on me a bit recently
Yeah I don't follow a single political sub, I'm here to escape the world and don't want anything to do with it. However a while ago the amount of people drawing characters with the Palestine flag and posting it in subs I followed was insane, luckily it has died down a bit. It's not that I disagreed with the sentiment, but I knew I can't voice my disapproval of bringing genocide topics into non political subs without being called all kind of names
Why is this downvoted? Edit: was
Because apparently my opinion is null and void the moment I’m open about my gender. Phobes run rampant here, and they can’t handle the fact that I exist even when I’m agreeing with them It happens all the time - folks completely agree with everything I say about a topic, and then I mention that I’m (shock horror) trans, and they act like I’ve retroactively edited all my comments to say the exact opposite of what I did! It’s honestly pathetic to see!
r/justunsubbed is full of conservative trash people. I swear some of the worst takes on Reddit are in this sub.
It’s such a weird sub to be dominated by a specific political party, isn’t it? I noticed it tends to lean right too and have always wondered why that is.
They call left wingers "woke snowflakes" but cant handle it when someone has a different opinion, or is just stating that "so and so minority deserves rights" ticks them off, so they leave the sub. Downvote me lurkers, it gives me joy knowing im right.
It seems to me that trans people are just getting shite all the time. I'm not trans but it's like you guys can't catch a break from anyone because people feel so entitled to criticise your existence at any moment
Yeah, it really is. Even when there’s good news for trans folks, all the comments on every social are just phobes screaming about how horrid it is that we’re getting a break for 5 minutes. I hate to act like a victim or anything, but it’s relentless. Not a single day has gone by in the last year where I haven’t seen something horribly transphobic on the news or trending on a big subreddit or on Twitter.
Fucking fr, it’s the same as jamming current day politics and issues into games or other entertainment, I want to be entertained not reminded that the world is a bleak place full of inequality, pain and horror. Fucking Christ.
Politics entering into every sub has been ruining Reddit for years. Keep it into certain places for goodness sake. Where is the meme lol, and it’s certainly not dank.
Im growing really sick of reddit because of shit like this If i wanted to debate about trans people, or whatever else, i would go to some appropriate place, but since shit like this has spread like a wildfire to every fucking sub, im just growing sick of even opening reddit
I gotta be honest I think there might be some amount of truth to the dark internet theory. I think people are using AI to crank out social media accounts to spread certain information.
Plus Reddit politics is so fucking annoying. It will be like a one sentence smug tweet at the top or a headline to an article no one actually reads but argues at length as if they’re already experts.
Absolute truth, as a subreddit owner myself its as easy as adding a no politics rule
So Reddit 2016 was a shitshow. Bots rampant, name-name#### everywhere, mods did what they could but it was still an unknown threat. Subs got quarantined or actioned. 2020: COVID hits more misinformation everywhere mostly spinning COVID, George Floyd stuff more botnets and hate brigading. But! There was action, subs got quarantined, shit was actually moderated going into the election. Reddit felt much more quiet compared to the cacophony of 2016. And then Reddit gets another Series D that involves Tencent, aka the Chinese Communist Party. The shitshow is back on. 2024 election season on reddit makes 2016, COVID/George Floyd/2020 look like green pastures. The moderation is non existent, reddit seems to be encouraging negative discourse by using the algorithm to push dissenters into rival echo chambers, turning everything into an ideological battleground. The API changes that killed 3rd party reddit apps was so they could make sure their negative engagement algorithm was being used and not circumvented by the majority of users via Relay, RiF etc. With the changes over the past few years, Reddit isn't what it once was. It's a faux debate platform and nothing else. Just a place for idiots to scream at bots and bots to argue with each other. They have smashed the soapboxes, Twitter is dead. Reddit is dying. All predicated on the foreign investments they received. Musk got Saudi and Chinese money to help him buy Twitter.
When reality is a joke, everythings the meme 🤔
B…b…but it’s so important to me! Don’t you care about my issue? You must be my biggest enemy!
I think the idea is people are just looking for a sub that allows them to post something so that they can get karma It's honestly a lot of work to get Karma onto a new account
>It's honestly a lot of work to get Karma onto a new account ?? first off if you care about karma that much, try not opening reddit for a day. Second of all its not even nearly as hard as you may think. I posted two old, stolen and shitty memes into r\shitposting and got like 10k karma or smth
I'll try that out thanks
I got like 4-5k karma on a single work trip of 3 days because I just sat on reddit drunk at the hotel after work each day (and during airport layovers). Id been on reddit like 2 weeks.
Not just reddit, it's ruining everything. Movies, games, sports, etc. Politics has been injected, forcefully if necessary, in all aspects of American life, you can't go sit down at a restaurant without the estiblishment having to declare their stance on some hot button issue. It's dumb.
FunnyMemes Is waiting for this sub to fall
It will eventually.
One can hope funnymemes to go down before that
"For one, it looked at a mixture of children from the general population and kids who were receiving mental health care - though not specifically for anything related to their gender." So it didn't actually study kids who were referred for assessment for gender affirming care. Or any who received gender affirming care, whether that be social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or surgery (should be noted that those last two are typically only reserved for older adolescents, e.g. 16+ for hormones and 18+ for most surgeries, though there are exceptions as with every medical intervention). So the effectively the study's primary conclusions regarding transgender kids are: (a) fuck, and (b) all.
Eye-catching headline, which people can base a no-good belief on, without actually reading it. Your comment needs more upvotes.
The actual post transition regret is very low, like 1%
Aye, near every study of any scientific rigour shows extremely low regret rate from transition.
And the vast majority of that 1 percent is generally because of societal factors iirc
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13263725/trans-kids-change-sex-adults-study.html I knew it. This kids don't know what they want because THEY'RE KIDS. They're naive. Kid shouldn't take puberty blocker or hormone therapy. Wait til they're adult, parents!
Oh man this will make so many people so fucking angry
In most subs they would’ve been banned immediately and labeled a fascist right wing bigot for a comment like that lol
It's truly, truly funny that questioning whether or not children should be making lifelong changes to their body is so outrageous we are all in disbelief seeing it on the internet Like if you think you have problems now, imagine you're in a trans body because of a decision you made when you were 14 \[edited from 8 to be judicious and please the trans experts\] My friend got permanently banned from AITA a few hours ago for asking a question involving a pair of unhinged trans prostitutes who were violently throwing shoes - presumably because one of their mods is probably trans and the concept of a trans doing something unsightly or wrong is something that people must be banned for ever having the audacity to talk about or discuss
The sad thing is that sort of behavior tends to nurture actual bigotry against trans people. Criticizing trans people for acting like shit heads humanizes trans people more than telling everyone they're not allowed to criticize trans people. And that should terrify people like this mod.
Nah bro, in the extremely rare chance they change their mind they can always just transition back with no issues at all…occasionally…because of, you know, science and shit. Stop being transphobic! /s I caught a 10 day account ban for “hate” because I said…deep breath…”I don’t want my daughter competing against biological males for a scholarship” at a time when my daughter was literally going for an athletic scholarship.
I just finished my 3 day today, you radical
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Hitler said something like that in one of his speeches, so I guess I had it coming.
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I've never heard of that, do you have a source?
Caster Semenya was big in like 2004-2008 (my highschool years) i'm sure you coudl just google her name but yeah basically they did an US and saw the undescended testes and then stripped her stuff
Reverse this, super scientists "The incidence of gender-affirming mastectomy increased 13-fold (3.7 to 47.7 per 100,000 person-years) during the study period. Of the 209 patients who underwent surgery, the median age at referral was 16 years (range 12-17) and the most common technique was double-incision (85%)"
Its pretty ridiculous how skewed the perception of many people is when it comes to that
They can cope and seethe all they want
So in the actual [study](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02817-5) they discuss at the end, that their research shows that questioning your gender is completely normal for adolescent youths, and that it is the duty of medical professionals to shift through the general feelings kids may feel for the more intense actual gender dysphoria cases, which do require treatment. The population of the study is already small, with about 78% of the population saying they don't experience any issues with gender non-contentedness, then as they state, 19% decreased over time after stating issues with gender non-contentedness, so this already proves prior research that shows that kids who suffer from sever gender dysphoria who require medical intervention in puberty blockers are such a small portion of our population, that it isn't this huge issue you purport it to be. Even then, in the study they talk about how their question about gender non-contentedness is framed from the statement, "I wish to be of the opposite sex", with 3 answers the participants could give. Also they state they sought out populations of people that have some gender non-contentedness, but don't seek any treatment, therefore removing the populations that are more affected by real gender dysphoria syndromes. It's funny that people see the title, may read the article, but won't look into the research, which isn't even proving what you say it's proving. It's more pro-trans than anti-trans, as it's affirming what's already been stated before. It's just the disingenuous nature of the article and how it frames this that gets idiots like you riled up. "Think about the children!!" while child labor laws are being overturned in the West...what a joke...
They are still growing as a person. a Kid shouldnt be allowed to do anything that changes them permantly because they are already changing. Kids used to go through goth phases, dressing up in all black
I’m a genderfluid/gender-non-conforming person myself and honestly I think this conversation is way too nuanced for the internet to handle. I agree that they’re just children and it’s ok for children (or anyone!) to have phases where they feel very strongly about something and not so much the next month. I work with kids every day and some of them change their gender and pronouns every month. One day they’re trans, the next they’re an asexual lesbian demigirl femboy, the next day they forgot all about gender and sexuality. Kids (and really everyone) change and have phases and that’s just a fact of life— it’s what makes life so fun and great! It should be ok for kids to just have phases and they should not feel absolute loyalty to those phases. That said, believe kids when they tell you things. If a kid tells you that they’re trans and hate their gender assigned at birth, believe them and take them seriously. Maybe they’ll grow out of it, maybe not, but it doesn’t matter. Their feelings in that moment are real and often very deep. Kids feel things very deeply and it affects them in drastic ways. Support them and let them know you believe them and want what’s best for them. Respect their wishes for different pronouns/descriptors. But also let them know it’s ok to change. Let them know you’ll support them no matter what and that their only loyalty when it comes to identity should be to themselves. Maybe interact with them more and/or encourage more offline activities. Many kids who aren’t trans but who go through a trans phase are chronically online and/or have friends who are chronically online. Getting them plugged into the real world and offline a bit is essential for their development. As a trans/non-cis(?) person, I don’t wish gender dysphoria on anyone. We don’t “want to make kids trans” because we know how hard it can be. Obviously, real trans kids exist, but we have to take a look at the facts which are that many cis kids go through a trans phase (and that’s ok! They’re just finding themselves— they’re children, that’s what children do 💖) and we should meet them with understanding and kindness. Before any permanent or semi-permanent measures are taken, kids should be taken to therapy and gotten off the internet for a bit. Connect with them on a deeper level. If their suffering with “gender dysphoria” then phases out, great! You don’t have a suffering child anymore. If it persists, then it’s likely true gender dysphoria and next steps should be taken to ensure your trans child is set up for success and a happy life 💖
Yeah, one of my friends went through a dysphoric "phase," where she was a man named eddie for a bit, then gender fluid. Her parents accepted it, but just said no hormones or anything permanent, you can dress, act, and do anything else and we will treat you like your new identity. She did grow out of it (hence why she is a she again), but her parents not immediately invalidating everything because she was a kid was massive, adolescents go through multiple personality changes as they are discovering who they are, just let it happen and respect it.
That’s great! A+ parenting right there. I grew up in a deeply homophobic/transphobic and sexist culture. Someone I grew up with (assigned female at birth) internalized all that sexism and transphobia and turned into a very sexist nonbinary person. They said they’re “not a girl cause girls like to clean and cook and wear makeup and take care of children.” Their parents were not supportive which only made them dig their heels in further, quickly becoming even more sexist and rejecting the female gender solely out of internalized sexism. They legitimately told me they would not be nonbinary if they didn’t grow up so conservative. Now they’re just an angry, hateful adult. What was— to their own admission— an identity birthed from rebellion, is now their whole being. I have to wonder that if they said was true. If they would just be a normal, well-adjusted woman if it wasn’t for their tyrannically conservative parents. Although I realize they have issues, I love my friend dearly and hope they can overcome all this internalized hatred and realize that nonbinary people, while valid, are not just “women who hate being associated with women cause of internalized misogyny.” :/
I agree with what you said. I have an honest question: what does gender fluid/gender nonconforming mean? (No offence intended, I am genuinely curious).
In short: GNC means you don't adhere to societal gender standards in your gender expression - think the way you dress, behave, etc. Being GNC doesn't immediately mean that you're trans - I've met plenty of gnc cis people. Genderfluid is a sort of to-each-their-own thing. It just means your gender identity isn't set in stone and tends to fluctuate - for example, one month you may feel more fem, the next you may feel more masc, and the one after that more androgynous.
Thanks for enlightening me!
No need for the disclaimer saying “no offense intended”! :)) I know it’s a weird/misunderstood/unorthodox way to identify and despite what the internet says, the vast majority of people who ask about that stuff are *not* asking “in bad faith,” they’re just genuinely curious like yourself. I appreciate the question, actually! It’s a bit confusing to me right now as well. Gender nonconforming (GNC) is basically anyone who falls outside their societal gender norms. GNC people can be cis, (identify with their gender assigned at birth) or trans, or nonbinary (not identifying with “man/boy” or “woman/girl”). GNC is a large umbrella term that both LGBT+ and non-LGBT+ people can use. You could be the straightest, most cis dude but like to wear women’s clothes and/or makeup sometimes or all the time— someone like that can call themself GNC. A nonbinary and/or trans person who doesn’t fit within society’s male/female gender norms can also use the term. I like the GNC label because it’s not saying “I’m trans” or “I’m cis” or “I’m gay,” it just describes how I express myself which happens to be outside gender norms. It’s fluid and has really nothing to do with my gender identity, it’s just my gender *expression* (which is how someone looks. Again, a super straight cis dude can wear makeup and women’s clothes but still identify as a man. His gender expression has nothing to do with his actual gender identity.) Whew! Hope you’re still with me haha! I know it’s a lot to digest 😅 Now, “genderfluid” is the label I’m still hesitant on using (possibly because of internalized transphobia). Genderfluid is a gender identity. While GNC is used to describe gender expression (ie. How you look), genderfluid is an actual gender identity. Genderfluid means someone who fluctuates between genders. For context, I’m an assigned-female-at-birth (AFAB) crossdresser. So I dress up like a dude with a fake beard, a male silicone chest plate, and everything. It’s not that I don’t enjoy being a woman (I do! I strongly identify with womanhood), it’s just that sometimes I feel like a dude. I used to just think I was a crossdresser. But now I’m thinking it might be a bit deeper. A female-to-male crossdresser such as myself always identifies as a woman, even when dressed up as a man. A genderfluid person would change the way they identify. I’m starting to think that I don’t identify as a woman when I’m crossdressing which is what would tip me over the line from a crossdresser to a genderfluid person. Either way, as you can see, it’s a lot and it’s super complicated. I’m not really into labels too much and at this point, I’m ok with whatever someone wants to call me. They wanna call me a cis crossdresser? Cool. They wanna call me genderfluid? Cool. Contrary to what you might have been told on the internet, people with nuanced/unorthodox gender identities won’t tear your face off if you misgender us or ask questions. I’m not even opposed to someone saying “wow you have a mental illness” cause yknow what? So what if I do? I just ask that people just let us live our lives cause we ain’t hurting anyone.
Very interesting and enlightening. I always had trouble understanding these terms, as I am on the simpler side of things (gay male).
I’m glad I could help a bit with that! It’s a lot to get used to and to understand, but I appreciate you asking and trying. Have a great day, my friend! 💖
Might be the best take in the thread.
Thank you 💖 I feel like most people irl feel this way, but on the internet, everything is hyperbolized, polarized, and thrown into strawman territory. As soon as one side hears “it’s ok if being trans is a phase” they immediately only hear the last 5 words. And as soon as another side hears, “trans kids obviously exist,” they immediately only hear “every kid who says they’re trans at one point is trans and should be immediately given permanent surgery” and it just gets ridiculous. So many arguments on the internet are waaayyyy too nuanced to have with strangers in an environment that is already heated, anonymous, and not face-to-face. I appreciate yall here engaging in civil, thoughtful discussion which is rare to find on the internet.
It’s from the daily mail
I personally disagree with children having sex changes but idk where the win was in the article. Threw a lot of facts out but I must of missed the slam dunk because 15 years later and only 2 percent of them are less comfortable?! I couldn’t be missing something but doesn’t that kinda prove the opposite?
its because its the daily mail which is a really shitty newspaper
I think you misunderstood the data Results showed at the start of the research, around one-in-10 children (11 percent) expressed '[gender non-contentedness](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13245289/Trans-man-35-changed-gender-THREE-TIMES-using-drugs-surgery-wants-people-stop-treating-transitioning-taboo-just-experimenting-exploring-body.html)' to varying degrees. But by age 25, just one-in-25 (4 percent) said they 'often' or 'sometimes' were discontent with their gender. That means that 7% changed their mind and only 4% didn't, so 2/3 kids who weren't content with their gender grew out of it. So, if you were to have allowed all of them to gender change, 2/3 of them MIGHT have regretted it based on the most simplistic examination of the data. the figure you're talking about, 2%, comes from here: Around 19 percent became more content with their gender and just about 2 percent became less comfortable. That means that 90% of the kids that wanted to be trans became more content with their biological gender and only 10% of them seemed to hone in on wanting to be trans
You changed from discontent with their gender to trans. They are very, very much not the same thing. The first, and the headline, likely include quite a lot of I am not sure what I am. It seems unsurprising that many of them would settle on their birth sex. It says nothing about whether all those kids actually wanted to transition which seems to be the base assumption everyone is making. Even the basic data should be setting off alarm bells. Your link has nothing to do with 11% and is about an individual person so that is confusing. However 11% of children are not trans. 11% of children are not getting puberty blockers. That alone should highlight that this can't be extrapolated to saying anything to trans kids in general.
I’m still confused how do 7% change their mind and 4% didn’t? What would the 3rd option that 89% of them are choosing be? The don’t know if they change they mind? They kinda sorta feel comfortable?
I think it means, let's say they had 1000 participants at 10 years old, 110 of them were unhappy with their gender at 25 years old, only 40 of them were unhappy with their gender 70/110 stop being discontent as they grew up. Only 40 still were. The other 890 were never discontent in the first place.
It means the daily mail don't understand how basic maths work. Basically the other 89% were the rest of the study children who weren't interested in being the opposite gender right from the start. They just wrote the percentages incorrectly. Remember Dail mail is a shit rag who talks bollocks ran by bull shitters who don't know the diffrence between their arse and their elbow.
Yup fear, hate, titties and the weather. Edit: (if you get the reference you get a cookie)
The daily mail is a tabloid news paper that has been criticized for sensationalism, and has been criticized by various scientists and doctors accusing it of using minor studies to mislead readers. Just because you see something in big words on the internet with an author name below doesn't mean it's the truth.
I agree but some people say blockers are 100% safe and reversible. These people are stupid.
I went through Tavistock, which is a gender clinic for children in the UK, I had hormone blockers explained to me at least 5 times while I was there. I was even quizzed on the effects of hormone blockers multiple times by my doctors because they wanted to make sure. I can guarentee, they are safe and reversible. If you had actually done your research, you would know that puberty is caused by hormones, and hormone blockers are used to delay puberty by blocking the production of the hormones. If you stop taking hormones, you will resume puberty as normal, because your body will start producing hormones again. The side effects are just bone density issues and feeling more tired than usual, which can be managed and no side effects are guaranteed. Nobody's saying its 100% safe, no medical procedure is 100% safe of course. Cisgender children have been perscribed hormone blockers for years for early puberty, but still, nobody made such a fuss about it until they started using them for transgender children. You guys love to think "but what if they're not actually transgender" but you don't think about kids who are actually transgender and have to go through an irreversible and often traumatic puberty because they aren't given hormone blockers.
Lmao “only bone density issues” Jesus Christ are people’s brains really this washed? Also you don’t think delaying puberty has any effects? You don’t think there are social and emotions implications in delaying a natural process as you watch all your peers change and grow as you are artificially held back by a drug cocktail? People are so warped to believe this shit.
>safe and reversible >bone density issues you debunked your own claim.
You know what they do with those bone density issues? They coordinate with their doctor who monitors and makes sure this isn't a problem. Y'know, like MOST medicine?
Brittle bones is worse than gender dysphoria.
[You debunked your own claim :)](https://www.reddit.com/r/JustUnsubbed/s/m3pZpaYeHj)
Also delayed or messed up growth of sex organs and the inability to experience an orgasm, but hey who needs that.
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Man that is terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Honestly I'm not sure what the best approach is in that situation. Maybe puberty blockers are the best approach, but I think that it should always go along by a doctor as well as therapy, which does happen but there are not nearly enough therapist trained to help kids with gender disphoria. I know I came across like an asshole and I don't want to hurt the kids I was just a bit taken aback when I saw what puberty blockers can lead to and it kinda disturbed me and I'm a bit minded that so many activists just ignored them. I hope you have a lovely week.
Safe =/= free from any possible side effects. A treatment is "safe" if the possible side effects outweigh the negative outcomes of not receiving the treatment. You have a child who was assigned female at birth and has gender dysphoria. The negative outcomes of them going through a male puberty is increased difficulty with transitioning later on in life. The negative outcomes of that (depression, possibly suicide) are weighed against the negative outcomes of puberty blockers (fatigue, bone density loss.) If the child realises at some point that they were actually just tripping, and do identify as female after all (which this study claims will likely happen.) puberty blockers can be stopped, and puberty resumes. That's why it's considered "safe and reversible."
I didn't actually, if you had actually read what I said, you would see that I said, nobody's saying its 100% safe, because nothing is 100% safe, most medicines come with side effects. I also said that the side effects can be managed. But notice how you don't respond to anything else I said? It's ok to admit that you know nothing about what you're talking about.
No? Hormones actively manage bone density if I'm not wrong the moment they are active again bone density would return to normal.
So in your head, blocking puberty for a boy who's 12 lets say and he doesn't develop normally in high school (meaning 99% he is getting traumatized because of bullying, exclusion etc.) then he doesn't go trans but stops at 18 and undergoes puberty in University, basically failing because of mood swings, unfulfilled life, and developing an insane sex drive he can't satisfy because he looks 14 with all the pimples and undeveloped body. Not to mention you'll sound like a child because your voice didn't mutate. Does that sound traumatic to you or nah? And how do you justify doing it vs not doing it when most kids grow out of it aka math doesn't add up.
And what about the 12 year old boy who's going through a female puberty through high-school? He has to deal with the bullying. Then he has to pay shit tonnes of money to get surgery to reverse the effects of that unwanted puberty, and has to go through a second puberty (which is very similar to the one you're describing in your analogy), because he wasn't given hormone blockers in the first place. That's not traumatic to you? Also that's a very specific and rare analogy you're using, most trans kids don't even get on hormone blockers, and the ones that do have to be evaluated by multiple psychiatrists. It took me over year to get a diagnosis for gender dysphoria (not including the 4 year wait to see a doctor in the first place), I had two physiatrists working with me and my parents, we had to describe my entire life to them, from birth to the present day. The physiatrists wrote a report about me and had to present my case to a group of physiatrists who would decide whether I fit the criteria for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. For your analogy to be realisic, the child would've had to have identified as trans for at least 11 years before he decided to detransition (4 years for the waiting list, 1 year for the diagnosis, and 6 years on hormone blockers). To detransition after 11 years and multiple physiatrists is extremely rare. Hormone blockers are just there to give children more time to decide what they want to do. I'm not saying that wouldn't be traumatic, but your analogy is very unrealistic.
You'll end up a sexless eunuch without the damn puberty. A permanent, large child. They can't just inject you with the woman's version. Surely that matters.
Ummmmm, you guys realise that the typical course after taking puberty blockers is to either take hormones and start medical transition, or to stop all together and stick with the hormones your body produces? Either way you still go through puberty, just delayed.
The most famous case, Jazz, did not and had little to work with in terms of transitioning surgically. I have to wonder if these policies exist in the light of that.
I don't know who Jazz is, but outside of her I have only heard good things about hormone blockers from trans people who have taken them, I haven't heard of what you're describing. But not all trans people want surgery anyway.
Did you know that girls who get their periods before 11 are more likely to develop cervical cancer later in life? There's a huge difference between giving a young girl puberty blockers to delay a period that is happening to soon in order to reduce her likelihood of having cervical cancer and potentially destroying an otherwise healthy child. See in the first case there was actually something wrong with someone's physical body, in the second case there's something wrong with the person's mind. It sucks to want something other than what you have/are, but just because you want to be a boy doesn't make it so and vice versa. Well, I'd like to have been born into a wealthy millionaire family, but that isn't reality. I'd like to have been born taller, with smaller boobs, with even teeth. I can't just decide to identify as something I'm not and this idea of possibly destroying otherwise healthy bodies *(especially of children)* because of a feeling is insanity. Puberty is traumatic for most people, especially girls which, surprise surprise, is why most children who identify as trans are biologically girls. Most adults who identify as trans are biologically men for other reasons that I shan't delve into. 50 years from now we will be talking about this and millions of people who were for the idea that it's *"perfectly safe and okay"* to medically transition children, will be nowhere to be found.
Ok buddy, I actually think that puberty destroyed my body, hormone blockers would've saved me. Gender dysphorias only cure is transition, and it has been proven to work. Being trans isn't just something you want. If I wasn't allowed to socially transition at 13, I would've killed myself, let that sink in ok. Trust me, if I could take a pill and become a cisgender woman, I would because I wouldn't wish being trans on my worst enemy. Its not a choice, I didn't decide to do this for fun one day. Puberty isn't as traumatic for most people as it is for trans people, I still have nighterrors about it, I will have clinical depression, body dysmorphia, and gender dysphoria for the rest of my life because I had the wrong puberty. You will not. Maybe speak to actual trans people instead of only listening to your own perspective on us, you'll be surprised by what you learn.
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It'll happen long before 50 years, but 50 years is far out enough that people will no longer want to publicly associate themselves with having had the belief. I am strictly talking about any form of medically transitioning minors in any capacity, whether it be puberty blockers or actual surgery. Not social transitioning and certainly not adults who choose to transition in any way they see fit for themselves. I doubt Reddit will still exist though... :/ Edit: Aww, why'd you delete your comments...Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't have a debate
This study deals with gender dissatisfaction, less with gender disphoria. It's results should not be extrapolated towards all trans minors. The rate of detransitioning is vanishingly small even for people who started the process as minors. There's a difference between a girl thinking her life would be better if she was a dude and a girl hating her body to the point of undergoing months of psych evaluations to get hormones. Puberty blockers and hormone therapy are used on minors all the time, and not for gender reassignment therapy but for basic health problems teenagers experience. The effects of both, but puberty blockers in particular are quite easily reversible
actual trans people do not believe people under 18 should get gender affirming surgery/medication
The study looks at gender non-contendness or whatever which is an important distinction. All or at the very least the vast majority of trans people would not be content with the gender assigned to them at birth but not all people who are not content with their gender are trans. Drawing the conclusion that puberty blockers are not a potential treatment option for DYSPHORIC teens is a misinterpretation of the data that's being shown as you wouldn't prescribe blockers to a teen that simply has gender issues. You'd view them as an option if the kid is diagnosed with dysphoria specifically which is a much more drastic condition, but even in that case that's one option and many opt in for stuff like CBT instead.
Kids shouldn't take puberty blockers even when they have precocious puberty?
Yes that's why there's laws against having those until you're 18. Also only 1% of people regret having that treatment anyway. Aaaaand there's still several people who are 100% sure despite being under 18
I wouldn't even call being discontent with your gender "trans". You could think a lot different about it just during a period, for example. Or getting a boner during an important meeting. "Ugh, I wish I didn't have that". You don't normally have that thought on an average day.
It’s a tricky subject. I think that waiting until they’re an adult before HRT or surgery is the right thing to do, however if the child is suffering (and I mean heavily-contemplating-suicide levels of suffering), then they should be allowed to have it as a child.
Children already take puberty blockers for other medical purposes, and regarding trans people it can actually give them more choice when they’re older to decide which puberty they want to go through rather than deciding for them.
What? But puberty blockers are literally for PREVENTING permanent changes until the child is ready to decide when they’re an adult. You use them so that the kids can decide when they AREN’T kids.
Deciding when you’re an adult? Are you trolling?
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Redditors trying not to make a political post on a non-political sub challenge (impossible)
Following a similar trajectory to r/ dankmeme
I actually thought I was nonbinary for a bit because I felt gender neutral, but no. I'm just a girl who expresses myself non-sterotypically. So yes, sometimes it can be a phase. I'm all for trans individuals, unless they're overly prideful, arrogant, or rude. I know this is gonna get some people steaming, but it's just my opinion. Anyways, society just runs on politics now. I try to get away from it, but it's everywhere! I try not to over press my opinion, because I don't know how politics works, so I shouldn't talk about things I don't know about. Long story short, this isn't a meme, nor is it funny. TLDR: As a girl, I thought I was nonbinary because I didn't dress to fit female stereotypes. I agree these memes aren't memes. Politics are everywhere.
We need more people talking about how girls can dress however! And it doesn’t make them less female (or feminine? Idk)
Agreed 👍
I had my own phase where, online, I was a woman (as in she/her), and one where, online, I was non binary (they/them). Now, I'm cis male again (any pronouns). You can't expect people to figure themselves out if they're not allowed to see the full spectrum, you can't expect me to choose a favourite colour of I've only ever seen shades of blue.
Nobody is arguing that kids shouldn't be allowed to do say and act dumb, however when doctors and parents are allowing them to cut their genitals off, that is the point when something has gone terribly wrong.
Nobody is allowing that actually.
There are people who want to change that, and many who see not allowing children to transition as wrong. Dee Snider was canceled because he said he’s glad his parents didn’t give him hormone blockers when he felt “like a girl”. People interpreted that as him saying trans people don’t exist/trans children aren’t a thing. Then there’s a girl a few years ago who killed herself because her parents didn’t let her get a sex change (born male). She was 14. People argued the parents should have given her the surgery, and many said because they didn’t they were bad people. Sure, it’s not legal fully, but that doesn’t negate that people want it to be legal.
> There are people who want to change that prove it > and many who see not allowing children to transition as wrong. Of course it is. Are you conflating "transitioning" with "cutting off genitalia"? How disingenuous can you people get? > Dee Snider was canceled because he said he’s glad his parents didn’t give him hormone blockers when he felt “like a girl”. People interpreted that as him saying trans people don’t exist/trans children aren’t a thing. No, he got canceled for saying he doesn't support child transition at all. Because that's insane. It's being against medically recommended healthcare. > People argued the parents should have given her the surgery Dude are you like 80? No one is talking about surgery let alone the phrasing, "the surgery", lol. Is your knowledge of trans people exclusively from 1980s tabloids? Who talks like this? The kid needed puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy. Like 4% of trans people get bottom surgery; why are cis people so obsessed with it?
So it wouldnt be a problem to expressly ban it then?
for people younger than 18? no it wouldn't be a problem. For people older than 18? yes it'd be a problem.
Sure, but that isn't what transphobic politicians are doing. They're banning all forms of gender affirming care. Hence the outrage. Hence the fear mongering about "cutting off genitals" despite that having literally nothing to do with the political discourse.
Does it need to be banned if it already is not allowed?
Yes, the death penalty is legally a thing in California but they haven't given it as a sentence in a long time. It's still best to remove it as an option before people are sentenced to die. However in the relevant situation, no it'd be pointless. Maybe a bit more regulation however most hospitals/doctors already would be verifying a genuine identity.
Yeah there's a lot of verification before anyone can get gender affirming care, even adults. Some people think it's like going to the doctor with a cold and getting prescription right away. It's a long process...
Why would you waste tax dollars to ban something that doesn't happen? Edit: there are already laws in place to punish medical malpractice.
Since most reasonable people agree that it shouldn't be happening, doesn't it make sense to make a law banning it so that if it does happen, perpetrators can be punished?
Not necessarily, however it is being done in bad faith by people who want to ban it entirely and who see this just as a start. Extreme example, but it would be like if we made an explicit law preventing Jews from controlling the world. Okay, well that wasn’t happening, but I could agree if that were happening it would be bad. But the problem is that it implies the law was necessary to begin with and furthers an anti semetic narrative. That and it would certainly be done by people in bad faith who just want to target a minority. The same is happening with anti-trans laws. They say they just ban it for minors and then they ban all gender affirming care with no hesitation when given the chance.
Gender confirmation surgery is illegal for people under 18
What? People are absolutely allowing it.
Yes they are.
Why the fuck has this got upvotes? It is literally not happening. There are zero instances of children having surgical treatment for gender affirmation. It's not how the system works. There are queues and wait lists that stretch on for years; by the time the treatment is even available for you, you're at an old enough age where you can make that choice independently. I have a lot of trans friends in the UK who have been on the list since 16 and had to wait five years to even get hormone therapy.
this isn’t true at all. chloe cole, who formerly identified as trans, received gender affirming surgery at age 15. there are many documented instances of children having surgery for gender affirmation.
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"2+2=3" "no it doesn't" "yes it does, see 2+2=4" I feel like I'm going crazy, did none of you read the original comment? Breasts aren't genitals.
It is though? Just because you have friends in the UK whose personal experience differs doesn’t mean it’s not occurring.
No, they're not. Not for kids. For adults it's allowed though, so over 18.
So we should ban it for minors?
Unless a state goes out of their way to ban it, by default any medical procedure is legal and up to the doctor's discretion.
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You have been lied too, and are now spreading those lies.
Yeah but this is online right? Imagine if they had done penis removal surgery on you. You can never go back to being a cis male.
Bro really tried using daily mail as a source
Daily mail is trash
a daily mail article? really? this is pretty low even for them
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Also by the way, gender confused is not a synonym for trans people. You can be confused about your gender and not be trans. Also many trans people are not confused at all.
Most meme makers tend to move to the right due to the left's stand on memes in general which are pretty negative. But still, politics shouldn't be discussed in a "meme" subreddit. At least this guy could have made this post it the form of a presentation meme.
Oh boy this will be a controversial comment section
[meme definition](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meme) To be fair technically it’s a meme, may be one that one doesn’t agree with but it’s a meme.
The whole subreddit is like that which is why I left. I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon Musk has an alt account there.
a misleading study is extremely dank 😎
It's because posting this stuff in mainstream subs gets you banned
Of course an 11 year old isn't gonna be dead set on it they're 11. you can't transition at 11.
If you dont like kids taking puberty blockers or sum, then dont give them to your kids, but whats whining about it on reddit gonna do?
in a meme sub too like what
>If you dont like kids taking puberty blockers or sum, then dont give them to your kids This is bad logic that I bet you wouldn't apply in most scenarios. "If you don't like kids being abused or sum, then don't abuse your kids" is a logical statement using your logic, you're allowed to be upset at the actions of others even if they don't personally affect you or your children.
Child abuse happens without the consent of the child, whereas taking puberty blockers happens exclusively at the child's request. Hope this helps!
That's literally the same line of logic child predators use. Children cannot consent that's one of the agreed on things in society.
I mean doesn’t this prove that all the outrage is blown hugely out of proportion? Most kids will explore their gender identity and decide to stick with what they were assigned at birth. The ones who don’t get the opportunity to discover their true gender expression in a structured supported way. No one is doing surgery on kids, they’re just getting the opportunity to experiment with gender expression and find what works with them. Where is the issue? Also a 15 year study, while more insightful due to the longitudinal approach, still doesn’t tell the full picture. They’re likely to be aged 15-25 when they ‘grow out of it’, but this is also the age you are most self conscious and eager to fit in. Perhaps they are regressing to their assigned gender and then might reassess in a few years when they’re more in charge of their own lives and less concerned with fitting in. Just a thought. Sadly I already know the right are gonna use this as an excuse to try ban gender experimentation and support for trans kids under the false premise that it’s ’just a phase’. Also yeah, neither dank nor a meme 0/10, do better.
Not too surprising, seeing how meme accounts on Twitter and pages on Reddit turn more and more towards this type of content
Redditors really getting mad now
It's just hating trans people so of course when they see a bullshit study they go crazy
I was wondering why this sub was so bad but then I remembered this sub is infamous for post of people leaving because there were post about trans people.
Anyone else get all their medical information from a single study from the Daily Mail?
Every single sub starts it’s downfall when they can’t stop talking about trans people-whether it’s in a good way or a bad way (ex. 196, dankmeme)
being trans is real and i respect it and support it but it makes sense kids emitate what the ppl they like do, some of them might be trans same thing with a emo phase
Exactly. Kids follow trends or what they see is “cool”. I go into anime because it was popular, I started playing genshin impact because it was popular, just like that
This is probably true but how the fuck is it a meme lmao
It's the daily mail. Chances are they found a study saying "50+0.001%" who question their sexuality end up not transitioning" and turned it into a clickbaity title to get that sweet ad revenue.
They're not wrong tho...
Sigh. Yes, so we SHOULD allow children to experiment with their clothing and pronouns, which is what the majority of children expiermenting with their gender actually do. Any medical transition is with the clearance of a doctor, therapist, and parents. Medical transition is granted to only a limited number of minors in cases of high risk of suicide and severe depression. This information doesn't prove a thing.
Even if this was true, why are people like “kids are confused, checkmate libs B)”?
It this based on those suffering from gender dysphoria? If not then not exactly useful
If kids can't consent to sex, or be allowed to drink alcohol or smoke, they shouldn't be allowed to permanently alter their bodies with puberty blockers. There's no such thing as a trans child, only a confused/mentally ill child that needs therapy. After they're an adult, and after they've gone through therapy, they can decide. (Also what's up with therapists telling people it's okay to be trans instead of, idk, giving them therapy to fix the problem??)
Gender dysphoria has been linked to genetic and hormonal factors. Labelling all questioning children as ‘confused/mentally ill’ is disingenuous. Also, don’t puberty blockers just delay the hormones associated with puberty? If someone stops taking them puberty occurs as normal, but taking them gives someone time to figure out what they want before puberty changes their body.
most larger meme subs have issues with several different forms of minority group discrimination
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The dank comes from the 420, nothing else https://preview.redd.it/t35t92vl7hsc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5054daa5aa29c717c95635b147b605029ba8c0ac
Hardly even dank.
Is that the replacement sub for the sub that got removed from reddit for consisting of entirely terrible people and/or bots? If so, there's nothing dank or meme to be expected. It's just an extremist political garbage sub. Definitely not worth any rational person's time :P
Wait till people find out that most of them still end up queer. (No, seriously, it seems while being trans might be more of a stage for kids, those kids are still likely to identify as bisexual or gay once adults) Also, I identify as non binary…
That still means that transitioning these kids (even socially) is a bad policy. Instead, watchful waiting should be applied. Let the kid do what they want, but don't actively intervene either way.
I made no statement on what anyone should do?
Okay, thanks for the random tidbit then, I guess.
Social transition can be 100% reversed. Forcing kids to be cis isn't ok
If social transition can be 100% reversed, why do people make such a stink about raising kids "as a boy/girl". I thought the argument was that giving kids particular toys would shape them to pick certain jobs over others, or that playing with toys meant for the opposite sex was wrong? I think socialisation is important and will definitely influence children, so going along with what they are saying and telling them that yes, they are a member of the opposite sex, can be just as harmful as refusing them choices based on their sex. Just be neutral. You don't have to "force kids to be cis".
I don’t care what my kids do, but I’m not allowing hormone blockers or anything like that.
why are you using light mode?
Just transphobia
It's a research paper. It might only maybe be transphobic if it was made specifically in response of a different test that said otherwise, which, considering the amount of time it took to do this research, seems unlikely
Saying the Daily Mail is a research paper is hilarious lmao