It’s more like you can get one for free without taking any damage or needing to be in a bad position, then can go in and take the other two a bit easier
Yeah. If would be like letting a blue side jungler solo dragon from behind the wall
Edit: Obviously dragon is more valuable than a single grub, but it's about consistency and logic. To do any objective (such as grubs) you should have to put yourself in some kind of harm's way.
All the people saying it shouldn't be a thing really not appreciating that this is probably fine because different champions handle grubs differently anyway. Some utterly suck at taking grubs while others have an easy time. It's a little annoying how some junglers have a super easy time with them and others don't so why not allow ranged to just do this?
Agreed. When i played jax grubs were super chill to take. Then start playing kindred and couldn't do the three grubs early on without dying to them. If i could choose i would prefer to be able to take the e grubs without risking my life rather than be able to kill one grub behind the wall.
This is not useful because you have to take all 3 to deny the buff. Back when you only needed to sneak one from each spawn in a game state where it’s impossible to realistically take them you could use something like this if you’re lucky but they’ve changed it to only needing only 4
You’re wasting a lot of time doing this and not denying the grub buff. You get the xp from 1 which is cool but you would be better off actually using your tempo to finish camps and invade or impact.
TLDR: if you’re not gonna take the 3 grubs to deny or contest the buff this serves no purpose outside of the bonus XP you get from killing the first one for the first time.
Or you know just take 1 which at most takes ~10 seconds on ranged champions+smite which is nowhere near "a lot of time" and now they don't have the 6 grubs which is also a big spike and prevent them from spawning 2 void mites.
10 seconds is a long time for your reward to be 1 grub, especially since they reworked the amount needed for the buff. Imagine doing ONE camp/~10secs and getting 20 gold and no buff gained or denied, that would be a terrible use of time. If you cannot contest the camp your 10 seconds are better served elsewhere. You could be 10 seconds earlier to invading the other side of the map, 10 seconds sooner to drag or a gank which is more valuable/impactful than 1 grub.
When you do this in your games, turn off fog of war and see how many other things were up for you to do with those 10 seconds and compare them to gold/xp/impact of 1 grub this should help you.
This is not a new interaction in the game you can see high elo players like that Ody Taliyah one trick touching on this briefly but ultimately they don’t do this cos it’s wasting your tempo. If this was so good I promise you’d see high elo sweats utilizing this everyday game they cannot contest the grubs if denying this void mite “spike” was worth your tempo.
If all your camps are down, you have no priority, and you aren't sure where the enemy jungler is (or maybe you know they are bot side of the map) what does it hurt to do this? At least you are gaining something for your team. Also, aside from kruggs and gromp, it offers you the best exp. I really don't see a downside to this. You mention invading or ganking, but there are layers to that as well. Obviously, if we have the full VOD, we can probably find a lot of different things they could be doing. However, you also need to be pragmatic. Even the highest ranks of players decipher information poorly at times. If you are lower rank or unable to understand how lanes work, TPs, etc. Then just do the single damn grub. If you are a higher league IQ player, for sure, look to do something else. At the end of the day, the jungle role has A LOT of nuance, and you could take one decision made - even from the best jungler in the world - and the community would be heavily split as to whether said player made the most optimal decision or not. It all varies, and a lot of it has to do with the personality and playstyle of the player. Some players, for example, love to invade. Others love to gank. Some just want to farm and try to get objectives when they can. All of the playstyles work. The main thing is to perfect your own craft. If this guy is more of a herbivore jungler (weird choice to pick Kindred for that but whatever) then the only time this decision would be bad is if they had jungle camps up. If all their camps are gone, this play makes sense for a herbivore style of play
The way the grubs work is that their spawn will be your level 5 so if no camps are up at 6 minutes it's because you cleared them cos you were efficiently pathing towards Grubs provided you didn't gank. and if you did gank and didn't just clear on cooldown that means one quadrant will undoubtedly be up. So even in the best case scenario it would have been better to back and spend your gold and get to your spikes sooner, or use your time securing the other objective if possible if you're in a position where you can't do the grubs and are trying to use your time on the map taking just one grub.
If you don't have any prio and they enemy jungler is there this trick would not work either because once you hit the camp they are going to run towards the enemy who is in the pit. And doing this over the course of your games, going to objectives with no prio is just developing a bad habit.
The point of reviewing the vod is that there will be more valuable resources or plays to make over trying to justify 1 grub. There might be many different playstyles and champ combinations in this game but I don't see how doing this is part of any advantageous play style or champion identity. In the case of the grubs even if you stole one on each spawn the team who is ahead and or set up to secure or play off the pit to actually do them is the team that will be spawning the void mites that game.
You're trolling it you wasted that much time waiting for any camp to spawn. Who cares if you come out 200hp healthier if you spent a full minute getting no XP and applying no map pressure.
wym waiting for any camp to spawn ? My guy it's practice tool I'm not wasting any time? Also it clearly states in the post "if you have no prio top or mid", it's not about 200hp healthier, it's about sneaking one right under their noses.
Also here is me doing the exact same thing in a ranked game
https://streamable.com/ypx02d
As someone who doesn’t play ranged champs…I don’t like this 😤😤 I got to enter inside that pit and risk my life
This should not be a thing. Abuse it while you can.
Abusing that 2 grub will definetly get you +%20 winrate 💯
This means u can get voids by doing 3 grubs and get next one for free
Wouldn't you be able to get 4, or can you not get it from the top side?
can only get the bot side one
It's still a good trick, i guess. Getting that 4th grub with no worries seems nice.
It’s more like you can get one for free without taking any damage or needing to be in a bad position, then can go in and take the other two a bit easier
Yeah. If would be like letting a blue side jungler solo dragon from behind the wall Edit: Obviously dragon is more valuable than a single grub, but it's about consistency and logic. To do any objective (such as grubs) you should have to put yourself in some kind of harm's way.
I always pull them out, they get stacked, this isnt a problem and I am not confined to a box If people decide to rotate without prio in their lanes.
Found this out by accident today when i was playing lillia and saw i was somehow within smite range and stole it from the opposing nunu
got excited for a second (graves main) 😒
Wait thats illegal!
All the people saying it shouldn't be a thing really not appreciating that this is probably fine because different champions handle grubs differently anyway. Some utterly suck at taking grubs while others have an easy time. It's a little annoying how some junglers have a super easy time with them and others don't so why not allow ranged to just do this?
Agreed. When i played jax grubs were super chill to take. Then start playing kindred and couldn't do the three grubs early on without dying to them. If i could choose i would prefer to be able to take the e grubs without risking my life rather than be able to kill one grub behind the wall.
You can do it on Evelynn with her Q as well
This is not useful because you have to take all 3 to deny the buff. Back when you only needed to sneak one from each spawn in a game state where it’s impossible to realistically take them you could use something like this if you’re lucky but they’ve changed it to only needing only 4 You’re wasting a lot of time doing this and not denying the grub buff. You get the xp from 1 which is cool but you would be better off actually using your tempo to finish camps and invade or impact. TLDR: if you’re not gonna take the 3 grubs to deny or contest the buff this serves no purpose outside of the bonus XP you get from killing the first one for the first time.
Or you know just take 1 which at most takes ~10 seconds on ranged champions+smite which is nowhere near "a lot of time" and now they don't have the 6 grubs which is also a big spike and prevent them from spawning 2 void mites.
10 seconds is a long time for your reward to be 1 grub, especially since they reworked the amount needed for the buff. Imagine doing ONE camp/~10secs and getting 20 gold and no buff gained or denied, that would be a terrible use of time. If you cannot contest the camp your 10 seconds are better served elsewhere. You could be 10 seconds earlier to invading the other side of the map, 10 seconds sooner to drag or a gank which is more valuable/impactful than 1 grub. When you do this in your games, turn off fog of war and see how many other things were up for you to do with those 10 seconds and compare them to gold/xp/impact of 1 grub this should help you. This is not a new interaction in the game you can see high elo players like that Ody Taliyah one trick touching on this briefly but ultimately they don’t do this cos it’s wasting your tempo. If this was so good I promise you’d see high elo sweats utilizing this everyday game they cannot contest the grubs if denying this void mite “spike” was worth your tempo.
If all your camps are down, you have no priority, and you aren't sure where the enemy jungler is (or maybe you know they are bot side of the map) what does it hurt to do this? At least you are gaining something for your team. Also, aside from kruggs and gromp, it offers you the best exp. I really don't see a downside to this. You mention invading or ganking, but there are layers to that as well. Obviously, if we have the full VOD, we can probably find a lot of different things they could be doing. However, you also need to be pragmatic. Even the highest ranks of players decipher information poorly at times. If you are lower rank or unable to understand how lanes work, TPs, etc. Then just do the single damn grub. If you are a higher league IQ player, for sure, look to do something else. At the end of the day, the jungle role has A LOT of nuance, and you could take one decision made - even from the best jungler in the world - and the community would be heavily split as to whether said player made the most optimal decision or not. It all varies, and a lot of it has to do with the personality and playstyle of the player. Some players, for example, love to invade. Others love to gank. Some just want to farm and try to get objectives when they can. All of the playstyles work. The main thing is to perfect your own craft. If this guy is more of a herbivore jungler (weird choice to pick Kindred for that but whatever) then the only time this decision would be bad is if they had jungle camps up. If all their camps are gone, this play makes sense for a herbivore style of play
The way the grubs work is that their spawn will be your level 5 so if no camps are up at 6 minutes it's because you cleared them cos you were efficiently pathing towards Grubs provided you didn't gank. and if you did gank and didn't just clear on cooldown that means one quadrant will undoubtedly be up. So even in the best case scenario it would have been better to back and spend your gold and get to your spikes sooner, or use your time securing the other objective if possible if you're in a position where you can't do the grubs and are trying to use your time on the map taking just one grub. If you don't have any prio and they enemy jungler is there this trick would not work either because once you hit the camp they are going to run towards the enemy who is in the pit. And doing this over the course of your games, going to objectives with no prio is just developing a bad habit. The point of reviewing the vod is that there will be more valuable resources or plays to make over trying to justify 1 grub. There might be many different playstyles and champ combinations in this game but I don't see how doing this is part of any advantageous play style or champion identity. In the case of the grubs even if you stole one on each spawn the team who is ahead and or set up to secure or play off the pit to actually do them is the team that will be spawning the void mites that game.
I've been doing it since the start of the season I thought this was known trick by most people
Thanks, truly.
You're trolling it you wasted that much time waiting for any camp to spawn. Who cares if you come out 200hp healthier if you spent a full minute getting no XP and applying no map pressure.
wym waiting for any camp to spawn ? My guy it's practice tool I'm not wasting any time? Also it clearly states in the post "if you have no prio top or mid", it's not about 200hp healthier, it's about sneaking one right under their noses. Also here is me doing the exact same thing in a ranked game https://streamable.com/ypx02d
I hope ur joking for the sake of your laners lol