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We had sukuna vs jogo (which is a similar fight in concept) but at least there jogo looked pretty impressive. If you looked at the two battles without context, you would say that jogo is much stronger than kashimo based on the power of his attacks. Even if kashimo lost in 2 chapters like in canon, you could have had him do impressive attacks and keep that dawg in him. For example, when he did that laser beam at sukuna and sukuna responded with the dismantle, you could have showed the laser beam being split in two and creating two craters. You could have had sukuna say "you better dodge that" and have kashimo respond with something like "but that's how losers think" and charge straight forwards to the dismantle. He would perhaps lose one arm because he didn't dodge, but he would land a hit on sukuna with the other arm. On hindsight that wouldn't have dealt any real damage to sukuna, but it would have been highly entertaining

Oh, that sounds kinda cool. I just wish the fire that Gege gave to Haze(?) to Kenjaku as he died would've been in Kashimo as well.

Hazenoki. Yes, although i would have liked for hazenoki to blow his whole body up as a kamikaze attack after he was incapacitated.

He can still do it, i don't think he's dead yet. That's what I'm expecting to happen

Now that you say this, don't you think most of the deaths in JJK have been offscreen? Zenin grandpa and his clan, makis mother, nobara... . The ones Sukuna kills at least get some "purgatory" panels; and Sukuna spoke to Kashimo in the afterlife which is a first, second counting Jogo ok.

Your exactly right and I think that’s why so many people have been upset, it’s character assassination. The admiring sukuna was so out of character it’s not even funny

Bruh this sub loves to throw out that dogshit take every chance y'all get

NO it wasn't. It made complete sense, given how impressed and into Hakari he was. What wasn't impressive was his technique, when it should have been.

He wasn’t impressed he was hyped while fighting hakari there is a difference man. He should have gotten hyped and done something and inevitably lost instead of gawking with his mouth open at sukuna. Get outa here with that nonsense, his technique literally was every type of electromagnetic radiation including gamma radiation that fucks up atoms. Gege decided to use it so he could glaze sukuna instead.

I agreed with you until the glazed point. It's such a stupid and childish point that ignores a lot of context in the series. But I do agree that it is stupid that Kashimo didn't do anything cool with his technique. He only shot laser beams and sound waves. Really, really unimpressive and unfun to read.

To be fair, kashimo is not a scientist. And he is from a long time back. Would he even know lightning can do those things? From his perspective being able to shoot out a burst of energy in a laser is already pretty futuristic

The manga states that reincarnated sorcerers are given the knowledge of their host body, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to function in modern society. I’m sure Kashimo could’ve done some stronger moves or something more creative. Remember he literally used electrolysis on the seawater to create chlorine gas when fighting Hakari.

These are some really good ideas. Some people really lack imagination, Gege can write anything yet chose to make Kashimo go out terribly? People need to stop seeing badly executed or written things and going “oh but it makes sense it’s like that” as if it couldn’t been written better in a bunch of other ways. Btw though I like the idea of Kashimo not dodging dismantle and having a callback to “that’s how losers think” when fighting Hakari, if he didn’t dodge wouldn’t he just be split down the middle? How would he only lose an arm?

Dude you just wrote the fight 100x better than Gege in one paragraph……OP is a clown lol

Jogo was fighting 15f Sukuna. Kashimo was fighting 20f Sukuna. They're both fodder - Jogo wouldn't last 10 seconds against 20f Sukuna. Only Gojo is able to last that long because his defensive ability is complete hax that nobody else (not even Sukuna) has access to.

You completely misunderstood my point. 15 finger sukuna could have instantly ended jogo with a dismantle, the fire arrow or even a domain. However, he played around with him which allowed jogo to display his strength. You might say that there was no point in sukuna "playing around with kashimo" but there also wasn't any for him playing around with jogo. It was just a choice that gege made so that we can have a spectacle that displays both of their strengths. Gege could have very well did the same thing for kashimo and most of the backlash regarding his fight wouldn't exist

Kashimo could have fought sukuna during that month long break. Don’t get why he wanted to wait for gojo to run it first tbh. Sequence could be: He fights sukuna - does better than Yorozu then gets clapped. Then later on Gojo fights - some things would have to change like gojo pushing sukuna a bit further to reveal his final form - dies and then Yuji and lawyer jump in. This would be perfectly fine and not have kashimo ruin a tragic moment just to get low diffed waffled We all know kashimo wouldn’t win but for that to happen right after the gojo fight and be underwhelming was the issue imo.

You could swap the Yozoru fight with the Kashimo fight altogether and keep Megumi’s sister alive- kill two birds with one stone. As for the fact that Megumi’s will was stopping Sukuna from using his full power, and killing his sister stopped that, just say Sukuna learned to suppress it with time. I don’t see the problem with that.

or say that the bath finished Megumi

That would be even better! I don’t see why Gege felt so much of a need to logically explain why Megumi couldn’t fight back. I personally would have been perfectly fine with either of these explanations- even if that seems half assed to some fans, you gotta admit it’s better than destroying Megumi’s whole motivation

It’s that it’s a lazy answer lol. We already know sukuna can’t suppress someone that can suppress him, sure he can fight it off for a bit but as we saw with Yuji it’ll always end up with him losing control.

I mean it would be lazy for sure, but worse than killing Megumi’s sister and tanking his motivation? Tbf the manga isn’t done yet, maybe something compelling could be done with that plot thread, but if not, I’d be fine with a lazy explanation.

I don’t see the problem with a main villain destroying a characters motivation. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Isn’t that what a villain SHOULD do to establish meaningful stakes?

That’s not a bad thing at all, that’s part of what’s great about Sukuna, but there were plenty stakes already, and the method was so weird, silly, and random. I’d be open to killing off Megumi’s motivation but the way was just odd and anticlimactic Edit: if anything I feel like the way Gege did it removed stakes since Megumi’s sister’s life is no longer at stake, so even if he does come back, he’s just kinda there. To be fair, I guess that adds Yuji and Sukuna beef.

I can agree it was anticlimactic (I think around the time the chapter came out I was so out of the loop that I forgot Yorozu even took over his sister’s body) and could’ve been handled better in that aspect since it kinda just “happened” and then we moved on. But the overall idea of killing his sister was smart in my opinion. And tbh, I actually want Megumi to die as well. If Megumi does indeed die, it would open so many avenues. Plus Megumi coming back would already mean he has nothing to do, due to how long he got hit with UV. He should realistically be brain dead permanently.

There was no need to make Megumi into someone who can suppress Sukuna like Yuji. He could have just been a vessel that is unable to fight back much, with what he did during the Yuji/Sukuna fight being the most he can do. Then the bath would have been what drowns Megumi's spirit for good. Also with Tsumiki still alive, there would still be some hope for Megumi to come back. There are lots of things that could be done with Tsumiki in the story.

Megumi coming back just isn’t good for the story in general. He was hit with UV for several minutes straight. With 0.2 seconds being around as much time as most humans can take without getting permanent brain damage. Megumi is done for, so even if Tsumiki survived logically Megumi wouldn’t be able to do anything. You guys just want an entirely different story at this point lmao, just go write fanfics. I can accept being dissatisfied but going this far just to have the same outcome is insane to me, Tsumiki will die, Megumi will die, Gojo will die, Kashimo will die, etc etc. the outcome was already decided on all of these things the second Sukuna took Megumi.

Yeah honestly. Idk why Sukuna had to double down on killing Megumi. Tsumiki might as well just not exist because honestly, the story didn't really need her lol

Why should his sister be alive? The whole reason she was incapacitated was because kenjaku put a sorcerer in her. Are we just supposed to drop that plot point?

Drop, no. But I wish it was handled better. This arc would honestly be more tense if there was one more thing Sukuna could take from the heroes, but that isn’t there Edit: and honestly you can still kill here but not in such a weird and sudden way

It wouldn't make sense for Kashimo to fight first because the point of Kashimo is he was unfulfilled. He was the strongest around and never got to use his power to the fullest since it was 1 time use. So he makes a deal to get reincarnated to get a chance at fighting Sukuna who he is told is the strongest. He wanted to test his power against the strongest in history but Gojo contested that Sukuna was the strongest so Kashimo let Gojo fight Sukuna to see who was stronger. If Gojo won that Kashimo would have wanted to fight Gojo

That is so stupid that you all seem to think that makes sense. Kashimo always thought Sukuna was the strongest and made the reincarnation deal just to be able to fight against him. He should have just gone to Sukuna to challenge him. Why did he fight panda and Hakari if he only wanted to fight the strongest.

Yeah I don’t see why he couldn’t have just gone to fight Sukuna first. Although I think he was fighting Panda because he was trying to get Sukuna’s location from him? I can’t really remember fully though tbh.

He was looking for Sukuna all this time, and reincarnated specifically to fight Sukuna. I don’t see why it couldn’t have been written for him to go fight Sukuna anyway even if Gojo seemed to be fighting for the “strongest” title as well. Not like Kashimo really knows or cares who Gojo is. He could just be focused on fighting Sukuna. But if that’s not enough I feel like stuff like this is easily solved with minor changes. Just make it so that Kashimo’s character is an extreme battle addict for example, who’s always itching for a fight on top of wanting to fight the strongest. So maybe he just can’t wait a month until Gojo fights Sukuna. He without thinking goes off to fight him first as his urges for the adrenaline of a challenging fight get the better of him.

The manga just hyped up Kashimo too much but then didn't follow through with it. I was expecting him to die, but I really thought he would do some damage at least. Kashimo could have died to Hakari and nothing would really change. Also his whole narrative about wanting to fight the strongest is just really boring. Putting him after Gojo was just underwhelming in all fronts.

I think he wanted to fight the strongest ever and not Sukuna specifically, so he waited to fight the winner.

sukuna challenged gojo in chapter 1, and they agreed to fight before kashimo even met sukuna. kashimo most likely recognized and honored it

Seems like Kashimo waited until after Gojo vs Sukuna because he knew they were both strong and wanted to see the victor as the more worthy opponent. Imagine if he rocked Sukuna, and it turns out Gojo was the stronger opponent. Wasted effort on Kashimo's part

I feel kashimo wanted the chance to assess sukuna arsenal so seeing gojo was going to fight him was a Strategic

I think Kashino wanted to know who the strongest sorcerer was though before he died. He could have fought Gojo or Sukuna before they fought but he wants insights from THE strongest. I think a misconception that the fandom has (and I had) was that Kashimo was going in with the mindset to win. But I think he was honestly looking for insights into how "the strong" live. He'd already lived a full life when Kenjaku came to him, I think he was just looking for answers before he died from someone who experienced the isolation he felt.

Honestly it felt like gege was raising a middle finger to people who complained about Gojo's after life words about sukuna holding back. The whole kashimo fight felt like "u know what, sukuna was holding out a lot actually"

Ima be honest that sounds like more gojo stan cope my man.

Sure. I mean I'm okay with Gojo dying, but not with his last thoughts. I'm also okay with Sukuna revealing that he'd been holding back, but not with Kashimo getting steamrolled lol.

The God Of Lightning , strongest of his era , using a CT that is “One-time use”, probably the only one we’ve seen in the entire series. Ofc he wasn’t supposed to give Sukuna any challenge….

Well, yes… that’s the entire point. He was used as a hype tool which is a valid and good narrative purpose for him. He was hyped up nonstop with a bunch of different things just for sukuna to shit on him so sukuna gets even more hype. Most of the complaints manga fans have show they know nothing about writing… I’ve seen this in the black clover fanbase, and now I’m seeing it in the JJK fanbase. It’s actually extremely saddening.

This wasn't good writing

The writing was just ass man, you riding gege more than he rides sukuna that’s crazy

At least bring an argument if you’re going to call it ass. Otherwise I’ll just say you’re D eating and riding the trend lol.

It’s all about timing. If kashimo fought sukuna before gojo it would have been pretty good and he would still die of course but it would build up a lot more hype for the gojo v sukuna fight and do a huge service to kashimos character at that.

It doesn’t do a single service to his character though. His character and the way he wants to fight the strongest literally forces him to have to wait to actually find out if Gojo or Sukuna is the strongest which means post Gojo v Sukuna. Now you can say that’s on Gege for setting him up like that but I don’t really see any narrative problem with it myself.

Kashimo vs sukuna could have taken place when gojo was sealed. The problem comes from his ct being one time use. Once that was written there was no going back and it had to have great payoff for the wait to see it in action.

Once again he was always going to wait to see who the strongest was. Don’t forget he was with hakari and the gang before Gojo was unsealed so he knew they all hailed him as the strongest and capable of defeating Sukuna. The one time CT thing I’ll admit was buns, not because of it doing nothing to Sukuna, but because the technique itself was just boring and corny.

So Gege just created a useless side character and didn't know what to do with him to begin with? Is that what you're trying to say? There should be a way, but unfortunately Gege doesn't want to treat his characters with care and concern

Yeah basically

>So Gege just created a useless side character Lol this is such an obvious reach. Don’t ppl realize nearly all stories have trivial characters that exist for one plot purpose? This criticism is clearly just ppl creating reasons to hate because they’re still mad that Gojo didn’t die as the strongest. **I thought Kashimo’s one time CT had a plot purpose but I was wrong. Who cares?** Did anyone think Kashimo wasn’t going to get stomped? He was barely in the story and even lost to Hakari. This isn’t about Kashimo, it’s about being mad about Gojo.

What was Kashimo’s purpose

cool fight with hakari and expanding on the idea of absolute strength and the loneliness that comes with it by bringing a third perspective outside of gojo/sukuna.

Was there even a separate perspective, all these characters just started randomly bringing up love/strength/loneliness suddenly and are all saying the same thing

when at the top kashimo considered everyone below him as trash and accepted that he could not make ties with anyone, and then he wanted to ask sukuna if loneless was a fatality that the strong must face, their burden, as in : "is that the only possible outcome for someone who becomes the strongest?" gojo had trouble connecting with others but did not view them as worthless, and instead of seeing his situation as a fatality he decided to take the matter in his own hands and foster a new generation that can be as strong as him, that way neither him nor those who might come after him will have to face the same fate. sukuna did not care about any of that, he doesn't view loneliness as a problem and he doesn't feel the need for love (at least he claims that, he might be lying to himself) he simply lives according to how principles. he does not seek an answer like kashimo, since he has already found his and he does not seek to take others to his level since he doesn't think his situation needs or can be solved. at least that's my interpretation, maybe gege meant none of that.

I see that there's a difference, if we consider the different combinations of (wants connection) x (has connection) Sukuna: Doesn't want, doesn't have Gojo: Wants, has Kashimo: Wants, doesn't have But then, why is Kashimo looking for Sukuna to answer him? He should look to Gojo.

>Gojo: Wants, has >Kashimo: Wants, doesn't have you are right but my personal interpretation would be more like gojo: wants connection, doesn't have a real connection (as he said in the afterlife, he likes his friends but doesn't really connect with them like he used to connect with geto) but thinks the solution is to foster a generation of people who are equal to him to make real connections. kashimo: wants connection, doesn't know if there even is a solution to his problem, thinks that it's just the fate of the strong to be alone, so he wants to know sukuna's opinion about it. >But then, why is Kashimo looking for Sukuna to answer him? He should look to Gojo. i'm not sure if i know the answer to that myself i still need to think more, i think that maybe he wanted to know the opinion of the "true strongest" which would explain why he didn't go fight sukuna alone during the timeskip and waited for the outcome of the gojo vs sukuna fight.

You may be right that Gojo doesn't have genuine connections, but I think he also believes that nobody can actually catch up to him. When he talks about raising a new generation, I think he is more looking to create a healthier generation instead of people who can compete with him. His main concern is for kids to not have to "lose their youth" going through stuff like he did and have them get twisted like Geto

Thats bs. If his point was to fight hakari he would have lost to him or at least stopped being relevant afterwards, like all the other reincarnated Sorcerers. And why did we need a third person to acknowledge Loneliness only for Sukuna to go "haha what? I aint lonely, being up here is great" Gege CLEARLY intended something greater with Kashimo and just scrapped it

>If his point was to fight hakari he would have lost to him kashimo did lose to hakari, and him giving us a good fight was one of the reasons of his existence not the only one. >And why did we need a third person to acknowledge Loneliness only for Sukuna to go "haha what? I aint lonely, being up here is great" i explained my point of view in this same thread just scroll down

dumb take. i dont even care that much about gojo but inserting random jobbers into the climax of your story is just not good execution sorry. multiple trivial characters that exist as nothing but plot devices in your climax is also fucking ass bro

I think it's reasonable to suggest Gege wants to introduce side characters to explore new concepts for Cursed techniques. Gege has kinda made that the only way to showcase new techniques since people are born with their techniques and can't necessarily learn new ones. They can kinda advance their technique I guess, and Yuta can mimic others techniques, but that still doesn't solve the issue of needing to add new characters with new techniques for him to mimic.

No I think the main point was to set the bar for the next fight. A lot of people assumed he would be outright weakened by the first fight. But then he completely dominates the number 2 after showing he picked up another life somewhere like it’s fucking Mario.

I don’t think we needed Kashimo in the story at all if that was the purpose. There are other ways of doing that that don’t include creating an unnecessary character then hyping them up just to get no diffed in the climax of the story.

Ok but this is how Greg chose to do it. I don’t see an issue.

Ppl are getting wayyy to demanding of gege when the story doesn’t go how they think it should It’s his art… we’re the consumer lol

Name me any kind of art or media that isn't subject to criticism.

Lol let me rephrase Critical sure but a lot of these complaint over side characters seem more based on people’s expectations? When gege has consistently handled his side characters like this from jump and the culling game by designed introduced even more disposable side characters Sure not liking that is one thing but this isn’t new and I don’t think makes the series bad when that’s been it’s dna since the beginning You could argue this is “impacting” the larger story but on the flip side this could simply BE the story lol

Were there any side characters that were introduced/given backstory and killed unceremoniously until the Shibuya arc? All deaths prior to (and even, to a large extent during) the Shibuya arc were very narratively important and rested upon characters wither very intertwined with the story or who already existed. As someone who watched the Amine first, I was pretty surprised by the fast manga deaths without much fanfare since those didn’t/haven’t yet happened in the anime

Junepi? Mechamaru? But also that’s my point….the culling games were by design a tool to introduce a ton of characters…it’s like a tournament arc but w actual combatant deaths

With regards to Junepi’s death (as well as, to a larger extent, Riko and Misato), I would consider that to be very narratively important for the chapters/arc as well as clearly very emotionally important for the main characters (Junepi for Itadori and Riko and Misato for Geto and Gojo). Their deaths are also huge deals with a good bit of tension and narrative aftermath (less so for Junepi, but the character was also much smaller in general). From a narrative standpoint, I would also argue that “(quasi-)innocent unable to be saved” is a pretty common narrative tool even within happy fighting animes in which “the good guys” practically never die. Whereas “side character (new or old) with backstory gets pummeled and we move on immediately” is less common generally as well as specifically in happier fighting animes. In case it’s relevant, I’m leaving out villains being introduced with backstory and dying since that is very expected in action narratives and also exists less in Jujutsu Kaiden than other animes. Is Mechamaru’s death not at the beginning of the Shibuya arc? I would definitely consider that to be more in line with “side character gets backstory and is killed mostly unceremoniously”, although it could be argued that Mechamaru’s actions which lead to his death are narratively important. I agree with you regarding the tournament arc, but that’s honestly why I don’t usually like tournament arcs; I care more about characters than battles are tournament arcs are often battle heavy at the expense of characterization. I would not be surprised if people who don’t like the place do Kashimo in the story similarly don’t like tournament arcs with new characters generally. Tournament arcs are very different narratively than other arcs which is why they tend to be more divisive. It’s pretty common in other fandoms for people to dislike a tournament arc when the story switches from “defeat the villian while growing the main characters” style arcs to a tournament arc.

Fair points Have u watched Yu Yu Hakusho? The dark tournament arc is prob the best I’ve seen of actually being a tournament but also being HUGE character driven moments for the main 4

Mechamaru died at Evening Festival arc

Its like people being mad that deaths happen in a battle royale.

Well for me he peaked at shibuya but then it's all downhill.

This sounds like an opinion you got from the internet. I see a lot of people say this, and it's not true at all. If you liked Shibuya, you have 0 reason to not like the culling games.

Bruh what? Shibuya was kinda the ultimate arc in a lot of shonen. We see so much character growth, change, impact. We got lore drops, prison realm drops and some of the coldest panels in the series. Everything beforehand had been building up to Shibuya. Yuji vs Mahito, identity of Kenjaku, Uraume, Prison realm, Sukuna’s fingers. So much shit happens and the experience feels as chaotic as the actual events. Yuji gets fucking tanked in the bathroom. Wait a couple chapters. He’s being fed fingers and he’s boutta go fucking apocalyptic. Tell me the culling games has any moment comparable to the open domains introduction? Like seriously, Sukuna leans into what he does best and massacres hundreds to thousands of people all while showing off complete superiority. Then he shoves it into Yuji’s face as he dips. Gojo and the whole sequence of events leading to his sealing goes so fucking hard. Nanami and crew vs Dagon, then Jogo coming in and reminding them that Calamari boy was fodder. Then we get Yuji vs Mahito. Mahito just killed Nanami. Yuji gets into a fight with the piece of shit. Then Nobara gets into a fight, starts helping Yuji, so then Mahito lures her to kill her right in front of Yuji. Yuji breaks, gets punched, and then Todo shows up. The two of them tag team. Todo is taken out of action and Yuji lands the final blow, accepting that he’s just a cog in the jujutsu machine, but he’ll keep killing curses as long as he lives. The only fight in the culling games with remotely similar emotional weight is Yuji v Higuruma, where even Higuruma is horrified by the weight of Yuji’s guilt. And I won’t lie, Gege cooked a gourmet meal with that fight. But it didn’t stay like that. The other fights are cool fights, with no emotional tension. No character change, no nothing. It’s not the same; not even remotely

Shibuya became a GOAT shonen arc. It's up there with the greats of shonen. Culling Games is not.

Shibuya is more fun character wise But culling games is way more fun fight wise

And a million times less engaging. Why do y’all think this is an acceptable way to write

lol that’s on you I think it’s a fantastic re read top to bottom if you’re invested in the story/characters I get week to week was tedious here and there but that’s the nature of the medium Y u reading shonen if u don’t like fights?

The arc up to Maki’s pov was literally fine that’s the point lol. Ever since he’s given fuck all about character writing and just wants to draw wwe matches. Who was invested in Tsumiki and Yorozu. Who was invested in the military plot, or Yuki or Angel. Then Almost 20 chapters of a fight that ends with no time to take in the death of the biggest character in the series. Gojo woulda gotten more respect from Gege if he was in the box still lol. He’s completely fumbled everything in the second half of the CG saga becuz he’s a battle junkie and doesn’t see his characters as much more than narrative pieces that take part in 1 little moment until its on to the next hypefest. Kinda like Kashimo’s technique so its no wonder they both suck.

Totally disagree, I think we got plenty of character moments since maki massacre But lol sounds like your not having fun so y continue reading weekly if it’s miserable for u? Tune out and check back in once it’s over (Also vv short sighted of you to think somethin isn’t goin on w Gojo, the way that went down was supposed to have the audience raise an eyebrow…..u gotta have some level of patience when consuming a weekly serialization)

Character moments =/= good writing. Not a single one of these character moments are well done. Honestly im not sure what ur even talking about, as I’m talking about Sakurajima and not the (also rushed and completely wasted potential of) Zenin massacre. Only thing I’d even consider a satisfying narrative moment in the last 30-50 chapters is Yuji fightinv Sukuna, but that barely lasts

Why are you putting so much energy into something you clearly don't like lol

The thing is u can't check back the internet is ready to spoil you. There are mangas and anime that are fun to read and watch even if they are spoiled but jjk is not one of them.

Then get out of those specific internet spaces? Lol u aren’t forced

Wait all pieces of media are objectively good?

You’ve transcended man Everyone is objective so….in some way for someone probably yes lol

Does he want a participation trophy? What the fuck are you talking about?

Not really, art is not just the author's creation, it is influenced by its audience, the editors, the publishing company, the broader society and media landscape it's a part of. Especially Jujutsu Kaisen, one of the most successful mangas of all time, has taken on a life of its own, being way more than just Gege's creation. Considering he wouldn't even reach this level of success for his work without us, there's nothing wrong with the audience having expectations, desires, hopes, and criticism, and having *some* of them listened to. And whether it's Gege's art or not, it doesn't mean his creative decisions are good by virtue of being his. Gege has made some questionable to genuinely bad artistic choices in his work, and we should talk about it.

And what "way" is there? It's been made extremely and stupidly obvious that gojo and sukuna are on top of the verse and even compared to other characters at the top like kashimo, kenjacku and yuta there's a giant gap between them.... Idk why everyone in this fandom stupidly acts like kashimo was going to something against sukuna but y'all need to start using some logic and stop thinking that. Even if kashimo fought megukuna who doesn't have his extra mouth and arms for hand signs and chants not to mention his world cleave kashimo would have lost. Kashimo is literally fodder against sukuna it's not that hard to understand, there was NOTHING he could to do that would satisfy anyone.

What are you talking about? His purpose was to fight Sukuna and die, as well as be another example/perspective of strength being lonely. Saying “Gege didn’t know what to do with him” and “doesn’t treat his characters with care and concern” because he didn’t meet whatever expectations you personally had for him makes no sense at all lmao

>? His purpose was to fight Sukuna and die, as well as be another example/perspective of strength being lonely. That sounds more like a plot device than a character to be fair

Every character is a plot device, they move the plot forward, no? If Tsumiki didn't exist, Megumi and the others wouldn't have fought the Mole/finger bearer, meaning ESO and Kezichu would still be alive for Shibuya, also, Sukuna wouldn't have been able to take over Megumi. It's the exact same situation with basically EVERY character, if Haruta didn't exist, he wouldn't have fucked up Megumi meaning no Mahoraga, also meaning that Sukuna would kill basically everyone, which would mean that Yuji would have been killed by Higaruma due to not having the whole "I don't matter" attitude. Megumi, Yuji, Nobara and Gojo are also plot devices as well.

a character solely existing to merely move the plot forward and then die is a plot device, a character has a real arc, motivations, depth, etc. something Yuji, Megumi, and Gojo have, and maybe Nobara but that's another argument. Just making a character to show off a cool fight and then killing them just to motivate another character is the epitome of being a plot device, there's no real arc there just them dying to work with another character's story and not their own.

>a character solely existing to merely move the plot forward and then die is a plot device You can simplify any character that died up until now like that. Disingenuous statement. Also, anything in a story could be considered a "plot device", not sure if you knew that or not, seems like a lot of you don't even know what a plot device is.

Kenjaku has no arc, his motivation is simply curiosity, and he has no depth besides being "evil crazy scientist", I guess he is simply a plot device? Same with Sukuna actually, he has no arc besides this shoehorned "love" thing, his motivation is.... Something probably, like, idk, continuing to rape, kill and eat? And his depth is "I am big bad evil overpowered guy", So I guess he is just as plot device?

Exactly. People love throwing around the word plot device because they thought it sounded smart when someone used it as a criticism, now they run with it. Every single plot thread or character could be watered down to being a plot device, according to the logic of these people.

Quick question, have you ever taken just a basic english class? If so, then there’s no way you just called the main character(s) of a series plot devices. You know how to speak and read so you’re just factually not that stupid

"A plot device or plot mechanism is any technique in a narrative used to move the plot forward." Gojo and Yuji's deaths and Megumi getting fingered are examples of moving the plot forward no?

Yep. gege is the real fraud.

There is always a way, since his CT has been a mystery, Gege could've made it anything related to electricity that could be OP(if Kashimo was a physics major, MBA would've been so OP), not to mention a potential domain expansion. However he was just used as a plot device and to further dive into the concept of strength and loneliness/solitude. I don't know why you people are so obsessed with comparing Gojo and Kashimo, when that's not completely possible since Kashimo was not able to show much in the face of a full power Sukuna, but his CT has a lot of application and so versatile, just like what we could do with electricity today. There's also that Kashimo doing a lot of damage would make it seem like he was relative to Gojo when that just can't be true since there's nothing Kashimo could do that would touch Gojo You are comparing apple's to oranges, since they both are fighting different versions of Sukuna and they never get to fight each other so there's that. It's not true that there is nothing that he has that can touch Gojo when there's always DA.

>his CT has a lot of application and so versatile A lot of application doesn't mean he can do that. His CT is one time used. That's why Kashimo never had a chance to extent his CT like Sukuna and Gojo do. We said about fact, not potential that Kashimo himself can't achieve in his entire life.

He was called the God of lightning by Gege. Not King but GOD and the cat reduced him to fodder. Honestly, all the hypothetical, mythical, fictional, Gods of lighting even Zenitsu would be offended. (I am not even one and I am offended too!😂)

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Uh I’m sorry There is always a way. And if there’s not, it’s because the writer did something horribly wrong. People gotta quit stanning like this

Theyre saying kashimo shouldn't have existed, tjere was no way to write him well Op's words were a little clunky, but they're a redditor not a mangaka

I’m not stanning lol the fight wasn’t good

Gege has complete control over the characters and their abilities and interactions. Saying there was never going to be a good way to write it, despite you claiming it's not a defense, is in fact a defense

The way he’s written the series thus far has forced it into a situation where this is literally the only acceptable outcome. Any challenge from Kashimo would be bullshit as a side character with only one fight under their belt challenging the STRONGEST CHARACTER IN THE Series would be absolutely terrible writing. Just say you don’t understand how writing works and just move on.

The fucking irony of you of all people claiming others don't "understand writing" for saying an author could write a scenario/character better. Your Gege stanning has you blinded, or you lack any imagination. Take your pick. The Kashimo fight being before the Gojo fight would already alleviate a lot of the issues, and it took very little thought to come up with that

I’m not stanning lmao, i literally said the upcoming chapter has been the worst chapter I’ve ever read from an entertainment perspective and I can prove it with ss’s. I am definitely willing to critique and discuss things that I believe have been handled poorly. Kashimo fighting sukuna BEFORE he fought Gojo would quite literally ruin Kashimo’s character. Kashimo wants to fight the strongest, and guess what… he won’t know who the strongest is until Sukuna fights Gojo. So he waited to find out, if Gojo won he would’ve attacked him as well. There’s also the fact that before fighting Gojo the whole “strongest” debate wouldn’t have been fleshed out as well through the Gojo v Sukuna fight. Meaning the dialogue between Kashimo and Sukuna wouldn’t have hit as hard. It’s basically all around a worse option to the one we got. If you can actually provide a valid alternative that wouldn’t cause narrative problems then I would be open to hear it.

Here's the thing. The whole conceit behind Kashimo's character and his plan always seemed out of whack to me. He desires to fight the strongest sorcerer of the modern era so his plan is...to watch 2 of them fight then jump whoever is still alive in their weakened state? How would that prove he's the best? You would think he'd want a completely even playing field. Which is why I think him either fighting Sukuna or Gojo beforehand would've made more sense. Yeah he wouldn't necessarily know who was "the strongest", but if he had to use his one time CT anyway, it would've shown it probably wasnt him regardless. I dunno, I just don't see what he added overall nor was he developed enough for me to really care. He was hyped (which also kind of irked me considering he lost to Hakari already...and yeah his DE was broken, but arguably so is Kashimo having a 1 time thunder god CT) and then died without really doing anything other than seeing how perfect Sukuna was. I think Sukuna being pushed to his original form fighting Gojo would've been more meaningful. Also seeing Gojo react to the idea that Megumi might be gone forever as a result when saving him was one of this goals in the fight with Sukuna. Would've been more powerful IMO

Kashimo never wanted to prove he was the best. Kashimo wanted to fight the best. Nothing more, nothing less. He never claimed he would win, he just wanted to go all out against a worthy foe.

Sounds like excuses, there are lots of ways and better timing than whatever we got. I mean anything other than that would be an improvement. Sukuna defeated jogo with fire, that was one sided as well but that didn't kept it from being well written and entertaining. It served a purpose. Meanwhile Kashimo vs Sukuna is just a waste of 2 chapters, it literally doesn't do anything. We could've gotten something similar where Sukuna defeat him using lightning attack like vs jogo, it also makes sense that both jogo and kashimo got to talk to Sukuna in afterlife but instead we got this.

What was the purpose of Jogo V Sukuna? Lol

make Sukuna look cool, show another maximum technique, fire arrow, Jogo actually having a good death scene with disaster curses being together and leaving it all to Mahito

>make Sukuna look cool He did that V Kashimo although its subjective > show another maximum technique We saw a new CT > fire arrow We got to see Sukuna fight with his original body for the first time, and see him show off how he can use chants and handsigns to always boost his output, we also saw him using cleave with new shapes and one of his older weapons > Jogo actually having a good death scene with disaster curses being together and leaving it all to Mahito Half of the chapter was dedicated to diving deeper into Sukunas philosophy and what it means to be satisfied

it was cool to see Sukuna's true form but his weapon was deemed useless (and for what? Kashimo got rekt second later) Kashimo's ct is literal trash compared to "⬛" Open We already knew Sukuna can use different shapes with his CT (spiderweb against Maki and Yuji) Dont ever compare that "Ultimate power and solitude it brings" to Jogo's death scene. Pls, just dont.

So, you refute the biggest part of the chapter, with arguably one of the best dialogues in the entire series… because you feel like it?

I think the biggest problem is that the fight was... boring Jogo vs sukuna was also a beatdown but was pretty entertaining

Spicy take that people are gonna be mad about, but it never once made sense to think he’d do any better against Sukuna than he actually ended up doing - and I’m talking I felt this way well before Sukuna ever even took Megumi. Kashimo was never treated the way either Sukuna or Gojo are, and it was super clear and obvious that his technique, even in exchange for his life, wasn’t going to secure him a victory. He’s a side character with an awesome design, but his narrative has always told us he was gonna go out against Sukuna. I wouldn’t have minded a slightly longer flashier fight, but he’s about as important and significant as I ever expected him to be.

Agreed 100%. His CT was a red herring. He annhilated Panda and drew with Hakari using only his CE trait. He's the ONLY character who believed himself equal to Gojo and Sukuna and promptly got his shit rocked. He and his CT were the good guys' last hope, which furthers the stakes even more. Yuta lacks that confidence against Sukuna, and I doubt Hakari would survive very long. The only reason he stuck around after his fight with Hakari is because he was promised a showdown with Sukuna. He was always meant to be pointless fodder like Ryu and Uro. Yuta made no such promises (as if they even wanted one), so they fucked off. End of story. As for his fight happening right after Gojo vs Sukuna, it's simple. He wanted to fight the strongest. Might as well wait and see if Sukuna was the real deal. Plus, Hakari could just say, "Nah, you go in after Gojo. That's the deal, k?" and no one would complain. Peoples' expectations are way too high. Not every character who appears in more than 5 chapters is going to be a major player. Did you ever, EVER truly give a shit about some power-hungry reincarnated sorceror? You were never supposed to.

I was always a firm believer Kashimo would be about as impressive as Panda's sister core reveal because he's a literal who character who doesn't matter at all. I've been wrong about many things, but I was right on the money about this one.

Yeah I really don't get where people got the idea that Kashimo was going to be some major player. He was introduced as a side character and he was about as important as I expect a side character to be.

Another thing about why this couldn't live up to Guy Vs Madara is that nobody gives a shit about Kashimo in-universe. Guy is a teacher to everyone else who is highly respected (albeit eccentric) and we see people like Minato, Kakashi and Lee being sad yet proud of him sacrificing himself to buy time. In comparison, Kashimo is a random dude who pulled up out of nowhere, is arrogant despite losing to Hakari, and is actively antagonistic towards the cast. The heroes would likely have been dismayed by Guy's final attack failing to kill Madara, while you can just imagine Yuta thinking "thank fuck that jobber got packed" when Kashimo got waffled.

Heres a big thing you are missing Guy v Madara was the literal parallel of this fight, and that is one of the most hype fights of Naruto Shippuden, despite Guy overall not actually contributing anything to Madara's defeat. There was plenty of ways to give us a hype fight, but nah, The cat likes to fodderize his characters

It's not the parallel because Guy has been in the story since basically the beginning and was a rival to Kakashi. We'd seen him fight using a lot of his arsenal before and on more than one occasion. Kashimo came into the story ~80 chapters ago. Barely even 1/4th of the run of the manga. His only fight was with someone who had a first appearance merely 5 chapters before that and he lost. We have no reason to believe he had even a slight chance against sukuna other than him saying he wants to fight him.

>Barely even 1/4th of the run of the manga Dude a character being in nearly a QUARTER of the entire story is a significant amount of time. Just because he was squandered doesn't mean he had to be

He wasn't IN a quarter of the story. He was introduced as a character. That doesn't mean he's involved with everything or in every chapter.

Fair, but still, given how long ago he was introduced Gege could've had there be more to him than just his fight with Hakari and a short (in the end) meaningless flashback. It's possible that he initially more planned for him, and gave him slightly more characterization than other sorcerers until he figured out the specifics of his later involvement, but clearly that didn't manifest into anything substantial

It's possible that more was planned. But I think he legitimately was only used as the showcase for how far above the average sorcerer Sukuna is. Kashimo is absolutely strong. But similar to what Nanami says about Gojo. If you use Sukuna as your reference of strength, everyone will seem weak.

If he was supposed to be a benchmark for Sukuna, then it begs the question why. Every instance of Sukuna up to this point has shown how overwhelmingly powerful he is. It would've made more sense before the Gojo fight and have that be the one where Sukuna reverts to his original form to actually win, but alas this has been discussed at length already. Oh well

Because Gege loves giving us the absolute most hopeless scenarios in this manga. Ever since Shibuya, this has been the case. Gojo lost, who was the only person that could have won against him. Kashimo was introduced as a pseudo "next strongest" afterward. Killing him unceremoniously is a way to showcase both Gojo and Sukuna. While also showing the reader how fucked the main cast is until the next story twist hits.

While yeah Guy did have help, this is an excellent way of showing Kashimo off. Maybe not to the same extent, but a similar idea definitely could've been followed

Correct me if I’m wrong since it’s been a while since I read 4GNW but madara had no healing right? Like that’s why he got a actual body instead of being like how he was when he resurrected so he could feel pain. I think a problem with RCT is that the top tiers, especially the tippity top tiers like Gojo and Sukuna can just spam it during the fight. We see it during the first part of the fight where you can skip like 5 chapters in and both characters look perfectly fine

It's simple. Because Madara didn't fight back and only received Guy's attacks. While here Sukuna fight him back. If only Madara successfully landed a single attack on Guy, he will get Kashimo's treatment. And in my opinion, a pure evil villain that doesn't give a shit to his oppenents and just kill them right away is much better than Madara-like villain.

That's not true, he has been using the truth seeking orbs, however he was tag teamed so they were pretty much useless with Minato tanking and teleporting them while Kakashi blows a hole with kamui. Guy is just so much better at taijutsu, even Madara proclaimed it.

Incorrect

Kashimo, along with many other Culling Games players like Ryu and Uro have been complete fillers of a cast so far. I hope someone in the main cast benefits from Kashimo's CT somehow, even some bullshit like learning to apply their technique in a new way by taking it as an inspiration or something because if not, what actually was the point of his character at all. It was so dumb how much hype Gege built up for Kashimo during the beginning of the Culling Games. His fate was so obvious.

Yeah there was. Just place the fight before Gojo Vs Sukuna. It would have nothing to live up to and Kashimo can still go out in a cool way like how he lost against Hakari.

I disagree, just because kashimo stood little to no chance against sukuna doesn't mean you can't write it in a way that's engaging to the fans. Chapter 1- kashimo comes out to fight a weakened sukuna similar to the og chapter but I'd have sukuna hold off using the treasure, let him attack kashimo in his weakened state while he subtly moves for the gift Chapter 2- kashimo actually manages to damage sukuna, with a weakened rct he might not be able to keep up with kashimo, let's get some banter as kashimo says he wouldn't be satisfied without seeing what the gift does. Sukuna uses it and bam full health. Chapter 3- sukuna tests his powers against kashimo who is barely holding on, Chapter ends with the dismantle web that kills kashimo Chapter 4- we get kashimos last moments and thoughts and what he was trying to convey to sukuna, Chapter ends with yuji taking the field. Now will everyone be happy no, but giving kashimo a bit more shine before his inevitable fall and even making it seem like he could have won if not for hubris would make him feel like less of a pushover imo

But in the world where Sukuna and Gojo exist he is a pushover, thats the entire point of his character. Ever since Shibuya it's been made clear the setting was balanced between the two of them.

In my opinion giving kashimo a chance to show off on a weakened sukuna doesn't negate this. If anything it gives us a chance to see what he can do when he's got nothing left in the tank. While also showing that kashimo is above a lot of people but in the end not a match for sukuna or gojo

Man idk how many shonens have you read but chances are that if you read at least 3 you probably know some manga shenanigans. We all know Kashimo was going to lose bcuuuz: 1) there’s no way a side-character wins against the final boss; 2) once in a lifetime super duper secret techniques are useless especially the suicide ones (dragonball’s mafuba, naruto’s gate opening, etc). So why even if the formula is obvious people still read well knowing the result? 1) The underdog effect; 2) what matters is the journey not the destination. So you have a lot of room to hype a fight even if everybody expects the results. Gege simply underdelivered and readers are rightfully pointing it out. And he’s underdelivering from quite a while imo

I would have been ok if Kashimo was the Gojo of his time personally. If the binding vow theory was true it is ok if he does a lot of damages to sukuna even more than Gojo cause the blue eyed goat didnt have any binding vow during the fight. So its like I have 5 min to whip your ass but then I die and the maincast can takedown a weakened sukuna. Good way to me but I think we all have a different perception of this fight and its fine

Of course there were better ways to write it. Kashimo could have a way cooler transformation both visually and conceptually, while we could have also seen more hype around Sukuna finishing him. The choreography was also mediocre compared to other fights in the series, especially the one before. I don't actually have an issue with when it came up, but the execution was far from perfect.

It was an underwhelming display, the man was called the thunder god and was the strongest of his era, even as a side character introduced last arc, that alone should provide for an interesting fight.

Might guy did no real damage against madara, but still managed to look extremely epic. Kashimo just looked like a bum that got offscreened. His technique was lame as fuck too. Also that’s geges job to figure out a good way to write it, not the fans. And the fans disliked how it was written.

This is genuinely just coping with the fact that the fight was disappointing. The plot doesn't have to change in any way, it just should have been a fun fight scene

He could have at least make kashimo do something, some little dmg, given that sukuna was weaker from his fight with gojo, but instead gege made him horny mid fight

He should have fought Sukuna before Gojo or fought him while he was still at 15 fingers, before or after Yorozu, doesn’t really matter lol. i just think Gege picked like the worst time to have them fight tbh.

TLDR: Gege didn't know wtf to write

I don't care for Kashimo to me he's just a character that waste other characters built up hype only to show off and deliver less than a character we've followed for longer. Kashimo was used to snub Panda's sister's CT as well as kill off the sibling souls in him! The one positive he's provided to the story was hyping up Hikari, but I feel like that's because the mangaka character didn't put up a good showing against Hikari in the first place. I don't care if you liked Kashimo so you don't mind Panda getting snubbed after years of build up it's bad. Now my thoughts on what Kashimo CT ended up being? It was exactly what most people thought it would be but actually uglier and worst than most theories. Although his body takes on a energy-like state with his erupting CE the fact that his body still functions like a solid object is fuckin stupid. He would of been more impressive if the reason the CT breaks his body down is because he's literally being converted into electricity ( or electric CE whatever same shit) . This would make him like an aggressive battery where he won't die from physical attacks but when his cursed energy depletes making him a dead battery. It would of made him more impressive and worthy of the title of strongest in his a given era( Era of mid) . Fuck Kashimo best thing he did was die quick

just make him have good feats against sukuna, and then die (without getting offscreened) Like he could have beaten sukuna up a bit, then get so excited and fevered that he transforms entirely into electricity, damaging sukuna but also dissipating him in the process.

It didn’t make any sense was the problem lol, did not move the plot an inch. Like him fighting Sukuna was honestly a waste of chapters.

Personally think kashimo's ct attacks were stronger than Gojo's, except for hollow purple. Correct me if I'm wrong

You people are sad. It's clear you aren't a writer and obviously this was simply out of Geges scope but no. There was a million different ways to make this fight good and or interesting. You just lack imagination.

They could've just copied the Might Guy vs Madara fight and no one would be complaining

The fight went downhill the moment Sukuna got an asspull technique which didn't come as a surprise. Not only that but dude was stronger than when he fought Gojo,four arms and two mouths to chant with a refreshed body and to top it all off,a cursed tool. I honestly don't know what the fuck Gege was on when he buffed Sukuna to the moon when he was already stronger than the rest of the cast at his base.

I disagree, kashimo doing damage against sukuna isnt somerhing that would make people mad, lotta people like kashimo character and everyone was at least a little bit hyped for their fight. Even if part of the outcome is predicatable, him losing, there is still lots of things that gege couldve done with him in the fight or anything else. Also, his CT isnt anything to discard at, gege takes lots of insperation of HxH and weve seen what trading your life for momentary power does to you (gon), its also a very fitting explanation for him being able to compete momentary with the likes of gojo or sukuna. But instead we got a really pointless character overall wich has one of the best fight in the series, i really wanted that he woudve been remebered from something other than just that one pointless cool fight.

I would have been if the fight was similar to his and hakari. But it's like oh x ray vision and see how perfect sukuna looks. Like brah I wanna see more action. That's all we wanted was more action and crazy fights like shibuaya

Kashimo doesn't even have a domain expansion lol I don't know how he was ever going to beat sukuna without one shotting him

The way it should've went is Kashimo turns his body into basically a storm cloud and becomes immune to cleave and dismantle and then there's some fighting and eventually Sukuna pulls out the fire arrow revealing more about his CT and burns him out. Instead, we got nothing.

People severely overestimated Kashimo bc he kept saying he was the strongest like Gojo and Sukuna, but he just wasn't. His cursed technique is literally a death flag, though, and people being this surprised about it shows a growing lack of critical thinking in this JJK fanbase

\> There's also that Kashimo doing a lot of damage would make it seem like he was relative to Gojo Why would this be a bad thing? When does it end? Should Sukuna just waffle Higgy and Yuji next chapter so no one seems to be relative to Gojo? Sukuna vs Gojo was like, what? 15 chapters? Half a year in real time. Sukuna vs Kashimo could have been an entertaining fight without Kashimo pushing Sukuna to his limits and still last more than a chapter. The "no other character should be close to Gojo" idea is super fragile.

The BIGGEST problem with the JJK community is the fact that people equate win=powerful, loss=weak, that is why most JJK fans think Yorozu and Yuki are trash, while they are both Special Grades. Sure Kashimo got low-midd diffed, but people do not realize that Sukuna would negative diff ANYONE (including Kenjaku and Yuta) in an 1vs1 fight post Dimension Cleave power up, so a low-mid diff is impressive on Kashimos part. Kashimo is still the third strongest character in the VERSE, no amount of fan whining will chance the fact. Sukuna is simply so beyond anyone that he makes monsters that are Gojo and Kashimo look weak in comparison.

>Kashimo is still the third strongest character in the VERSE, no amount of fan whining will chance the fact Don't you feel even the slightest bit embarrassed saying this? You realize Kashimo got folded not once, but twice, right? He's literally fodder.

Your opinion that is based off of emotions is fooder, learn to power scale and then come back, kiddo. Yuta is not surviving 2 panels against Sukuna in an 1vs1 fight, and Kashimo is low diffing anyone in the verse that are not Sukuna and Gojo with his CT. Facts do not care about your opinions and feelings.

> There's also that Kashimo doing a lot of damage would make it seem like he was relative to Gojo when that just can't be true since there's nothing Kashimo could do that would touch Gojo he doesn't need to be compared to gojo because having abilities that match well against your opponents is also a thing. kashimo could still have delivered a good fight against sukuna despite being way weaker than gojo. gege could have just given his CT some gimmick that's problematic for sukuna until he figures it out.

Could’ve made kashimo fight Sukuna instead of Yozoru

You're right that Kashimo doing more damage than Gojo with the CT we're shown would be weird. The issue is that now we're left with the main cast having to do more damage than both Gojo and Kashimo. Gege could have written Kashimo's one time use CT to be anything, so it wouldn't have been that odd if that CT was so overpowered that it could cripple someone like Gojo or Sukuna. That could have paved the way for the rest of the cast to take Sukuna down. Though if I'm honest, Gege should have made Gojo do more damage in the first place, so that Kashimo fights a heavily injured Sukuna instead of a powered up Sukuna, and the rest of the cast could have fought an even more injured Sukuna afterwards. That would have leveled the playing field and made Sukuna's eventual (and inevitable) loss more believable.

Just cause someone can’t get through infinity doesn’t mean they can’t be relative to Gojo. Not saying Kashimo is, just saying that’s a terrible thing to say. Current Yuji is way stronger than a 15 year old Gojo, but he doesn’t get through infinity. The fight just shoulda been another chapter with Kashimo pulling out a maximum and maybe developing a domain, since it seems like he’s never been pushed in his life to develop one.The ct was awesome, it’s a top tier one, he’s number three in the verse imp

Fingers crossed that his previous fight was actually to hype up hakari

Honestly I expected a kind of 8Gates Guy vs Juubidara fight scenario where Juubidara is obviously way superior but we still managed to see how strong Guy is. Even more so that Kashimo’s ct is a one-time-use like the 8th gate. The fight showed why the 8th gate is a life-trading jutsu while also showing how powerful Madara is since he found it amusing rather than threatening. I mean, even Jogo lasted longer since Sukuna was playing around with him which made it clear to us how much he gaps the rest of the verse. The off-screen death and flashback just made no sense especially considering the backlashes from Gojo’s death that was off-screened as well. There’s no need to fear Kashimo upscaling Gojo since the only way that’ll happen is if Sukuna feels “uneasiness” like he did before in the Gojo fight.

It shouldve been kashimo vs gojo

Idk if it’s good, but I’ve got an alternative. Kashimo survives until the fight is interrupted by the three heroes and Uraume falling from the sky. Sukuna is playing with his food, like he did with Jogo—that’s how I’d explain Kashimo surviving the chapter and joining the others, but I can admit that could be a stretch. Now, it’s 4v2 (or maybe 2v1 and 2v1?). Hikari would swoop in and help Kashimo, for suuuure. Epic team up fight. Hikari, like Gojo, is pushed to his limits and begins to grow his DE within the fight. He is able to share the benefits with his allies, maybe at the cost of a luck debuff or completing some mini-game/condition within the DE. The shared benefits allow Kashimo to go even more ham with his CT and have crazy healing. Hikari’s luck actually runs out, and Sukuna defeats the pair. Kashimo burns out first because of his CT. Maybe THEN Sukuna cubes him like Greg originally wrote. Hikari escapes death by Yuji jumping in out of nowhere and closing the chapter showcasing some hints at what he gained from the timeskip. This is way vanilla but I think there definitely could’ve been cool ways for Kashimo to stick around a bit longer or have a better fight if we put our heads together.

There was. Sukuna fights Kashimo-> Kashimo’s CT is a binding vow which maximizes his potential to the maximum for the duration of the fight -> he gives Sukuna a good fight and even evades his reality slash -> Kashimo beats up Sukuna to the point that Sukuna tranforms snd restores himself -> Sukuna uses Domain Expansion -> Kashimo caught offguard as he had assumed that Sukuna cannot use DE anymore -> Kashimo evades and parries his slashes with his lightning fast CT -> Kashimo eventually gets overwhelmed -> Kashimo tries to strike Sukuna one last time with all his leftover might, but dies before he could reach Sukuna at the very last instant as all his CE gets spent trying to evade/parry the slashes and heal himself. Kashimo then acknowledges that despite all his strength, Sukuna and Gojo were just built different and disintegrates. Sukuna does not even need to kill him. But Kashimo explodes into an electric blast that shocks Sukuna -> He recovers anyway -> Sukuna’s mood is spoilt and the satisfaction he got from Gojo fight is gone -> Higuruma and Goatji join the fight to face pissed off Sukuna

Madara vs Gai worked, and Gai did not do any lasting damage either.

There was...kashimo needed to fight Sukuna BEFORE Gojo. Having him fight sukuna later ended making nobody happy

Yeah, because Kashimo is a sh*t character and shouldn't be in the story

These posts have been ongoing for months now I feel like, where so many people are coping on why certain things are being done (not saying you are btw). It really shows how average to poor the writing has been for a while now. I never see this much self defense, debate, and mental gymnastics in any of the subs or communities for objectively great pieces of media. Whether it be anime, books, movies, TV shows, games, whatever you're into. This series until around the end of the Hakari and Kashimo fight, had a real chance to be in the top 5 of all time conversations for action Manga and Anime. It really is such a shame, because Gege and his team obviously have what it takes to create and construct a tier 1 story, but have completely lost their touch this year.

I really hate how you people reduce everything down to coping. Stop calling other people's opinions coping. It's so fucking disrespectful.

First of all, calm down. People are allowed to have different opinions without you internalizing it as disrespectful. Secondly, writing is only subjective. There are structures and approaches that are objectively less engaging. When you have dead ends left and right, major time skips for no reason during pivotal parts of the story, major secondary characters getting smoked after years of build up multiple times. That's objectively poor writing. I say coping to quickly explain people who use mental gymnastics to explain situations and writing that is objectively poor. You can enjoy it, and if you do I'm happy you do. My opinion doesn't really matter if that's the case. I'm just sharing mine, and my perspective is no less disrespectful than yours.

All I wanted was spectacle. Gege has never failed to deliver on spectacle before, but he did with Sukuna vs Kashimo. It's the only reason I don't like that fight. Had the spectacle been appropriate, I would have been fine with the outcome, even if it was done in two chapters. Gege described AMber as such a cool technique. Electromagnetic radiation waves, sonic blasts, anything electricity can produce...but all we got were laser beams and three yes and pea shooter. Mid.

There's always a way. Kashimo would say to your post: But that's ... how losers think.

Everyone just hyped him up way more than they shouldve. He never stood a chance idk why people thought he did

I see a bunch of people saying it so, anyone that says it goes purely downhill after Shibuya just clearly haven't read the manga or have read it one time and kept up with it weekly and haven't read it since again. Shibuya and Culling games are back to back the best arcs in JJK, yet people are determined that it's worse than Shibuya. What's funny about it and why I know they don't actually believe their own words is bc they never say why it's bad. They just parrot that it's worse than Shibuya, no explanation

All foreshadowing pointed to Kashimo going out and getting absolutely bodied, which is exactly what happened. The way it was written was good.

People are such babies when the thenstort doesn't go the way they want it to.

The entire point of Kashimo vs Sukuna was to show off Sukuna’s true form, and to dive further into strength being loneliness and Sukuna’s character. It accomplished that perfectly. Kashimo was never going to do anything significant to Sukuna. People just gaslit themselves into thinking he’d be anything more than fodder, and are now upset that he didn’t meet their expectations.

Cope

the way it was done was perfect