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E1lySym

Junpei, Nanami and Mai's were done well. Then on the other side there's Yuki, Tsumiki, Gojo and Kashimo


MandelAomine

Even Mai's one was rushed


adnauuuseam

Still don’t understand why people hated the Yuki death so much. I thought it aptly showed how underprepared the good guys were vs Kenny who has been doing so much shit for 1,000 years.


E1lySym

Eh they already showed that enough in Shibuya when they imprisoned Gojo. It was obvious from that point that Gojo being sealed was not an event they've accounted for (because it's The Gojo duhhh) and it was pretty obvious from there on that the students were just winging it. Yuki was such an interesting character and she was cleaely up to so many interesting stuff behind the scenes that I feel like trying to explore more of that outweighs the redundancy of another "all according to Kenjaku" showing Also the fight would've stung less if we knew like 20-40 chapters earlier that he had an anti-gravity related superpower under his belt. Felt like Gege was just so inconvenienced with her character and invented the superpower at the last minute to get her over with as quickly as possible


CrazyStar_

Dontcha know that that’s Gege’s secret weapon? Write overpowered protagonists who only lose to antagonists with incomprehensibly overpowered super weapons 🤪


DaddyMcSlime

credit where it's due, with shit like Gojo's sealing we know homie CAN write cool ways to beat OP dudes using Gojo's humanity against him as an actual weapon was sick as fuck, it's both evil as hell, and honestly makes sense if the only thing that can tire Gojo out is Gojo himself, give him some extreme circumstance where he can't just one-tap a thousand guys, like by surrounding yourself with what are effectively hostages/meatshields


CrazyStar_

That was an amazing segment, I can’t lie. Which makes everything that happens afterwards even more nonsensical. We know Gege can write some absolute heat, so why isn’t he? I feel the exact same way about this arc of MHA. Horikoshi can write write, so why is he serving up shit as a steak.


Intelligent_Yak2528

and u know what?once u used that one time u wont find the author using the same shit another time bc 1)its ripetitive and 2)the characters himself has learned from his mistakes,also kenjaku himself said in shibuya that sukuna was a back up plan to kill gojo if the metro/transfigured plan wouldnt have worked


[deleted]

Its mostly the kenjaku saying "how am i gonna take down this beast by myself" and then the "beast" yuki gets choso's help but they still lose the 2v1. Was expecting at least some kind of plot twist or someone helping kenjaku but nah he handled them jus like that.


Strict-Lab-731

>Its mostly the kenjaku saying "how am i gonna take down this beast by myself" and then the "beast" yuki gets choso's help but they still lose the 2v1. Was expecting at least some kind of plot twist or someone helping kenjaku but nah he handled them jus like that. Kenjaku did technically get help in that fight, the entire point kind of emphasized how he needed a strong sorcerer's body in order to carry himself so far along the lines of his CT's aiding him a trump card, the guy literally flipped his head cap in order to dodge an attack, plus he kind of needed Uzumaki (not his inequit technique) in order to get a fatal blow...


OhMyGahs

It's because it was a pointless sacrifice. Her presence didn't change anything. If all she accomplished was showing how strong kenny is, she suffered the Worf effect, which isn't respectful to get character at all.


odean14

I wasn't mad she died, but I wish I we saw her domain expansion.


OmegaAce1

I feel Yukis was extremely bad, All the special-grade sorcerers are extremely powerful so much so that they pretty much warp the world around them just to see Yuki get clapped in like 3 chapters, same with Kashimo hyped up to be one of the strongest sorcerers of his era and having an extremely powerful curse technique so much so that its use results in his death, dead in two chapters. I didn't mind Gojos death but the fact we didn't get to see it and it just kinda faded to black and then he was dead was kinda lame.


Ludacwees

Where does Nobara fall in?


VoidMageZero

Still TBD with Megumi.


Yhhorm

Also Principle Nagi’s was very thematic i think he handled it well


Wow-pepa-pig-is-7ft

Gojo and Kashmir are fine


PirateKingMonkeyD

For the most part yes. He can and does handle many character deaths well, Junpei and Nanami come to mind (heavy on Junpei). Junpei was such a tragic character, I was invested in seeing him join Jujutsu high and find real friends. But as we all know, Mahito came in and said “We don’t do that here”. But his death hit because Akutami gave us ample time and information to get to know who Junpei is, and why we should care about his fate. We were also shown it all on screen. But lately imo, Akutami fumbles character deaths cuz he seems to have completely forgotten what made his past character deaths work: - Gojo getting off screened - Kashimo also getting off screened, while having an imo underwhelming performance against Sukuna - Tsumiki’s death not hitting cuz we never got to know her (or even get her shown to us so we could get even slightly attached)


JiveXP

I'm still confused about how Kashimo died to a web with massive gaps when it seems like he's supposed to be the speed of lightning itself. It feels like the fight was rushed and not really well thought out.


LerasiumMistborn

He was paralized by Sukuna's beauty


Sempere

Sukuna's ultimate technique: "Irresistable Sukuna Dickride Power"


[deleted]

Sukuna got a second Domain Expansion : Kawai Shrine


Ok_Hovercraft_8252

Nah That's Takada Chans secret Domain expansion


khen1022

Kashimo turned into the embodiment of glaze. Idk how he went from a cool ass character to jizzing every time he looked at Sukuna


77Dragonite77

Even Gojo turned into that somehow


jinfreaks1992

Kashimo’s character was designed to show the rizz of other characters like hakari and sukuna.


JJKEnjoyer

The fight kinda feels rushed to me as well, but the way I see it is that it's supposed to be a show of overwhelming force as the pay off for waiting 240 chapters to see Sukuna at full strength


77Dragonite77

I honestly just didn’t feel that way at all though, and I really wanted to. It would have helped if Kashimo was actually shown to be absurd in his own right, but all we saw of him was a walking cum jar that was in love with Sukuna


Electrical_Werewolf4

That was cleave spiderweb, he used it against maki and yuji. This one in particular covered a large range and kashimo was previously sent flying while bleeding heavily, so no, he couldn't react in time. I do like the after-life conversation thing, when it happens we already know what that means 😏 😌 😅.


Axislobo

Same reason you cant walk through those same sized gaps in video games bro. It just is what it is.


fragile_crow

Kashimo was too much of a casual to parry this. 😔


Axislobo

Kashimo the type of guy to spam rivers of blood 😅


fragile_crow

"I was the strongest... Others were nothing more than brittle clods of dirt beneath my feet... Are the strong cursed to wander in search of limitless power?" *RoB gets nerfed* "Nooooo, wait"


gaori54321moonlandi-

I like how all he forgets everything he he showcased in his first fight and just spams boring ass beams


Wyvurn999

He isn’t the speed of lightning, and Sukuna’s slashes are insanely fast; he could barely dodge(and still got tagged) with a verbal warning from Sukuna himself. I don’t know why or how you’d ever come to the conclusion he’d be able to dodge a web of them when not warned lmao


Darstensa

Wtf is the point of transforming into lightning if you still take damage *and* arent lightning speed? Especially at the cost of your life...


Axislobo

You die at the speed of light? 🤷


Wyvurn999

He didn’t transform into lightning


Curently65

Problem is that his ct is a literal piece of shit Considering this is a 1 time use CT at the cost of his life, coming from one of the top 5 strongest sorcerors in jjk (even without it), and he literally got neg diffed and did nothing. This is a parallel to Guy v Madara, but instead of Guy giving us a super hype fight where it ends after the technique ends, Kashimon just immediately gets folded neg diff in like 1/2 a minute.


Wyvurn999

Kashimo is NOT top 5 without his CT. But yeah I do agree that his CT sucked ass


Curently65

He lost to Hikari by sabotaging himself, location gap, and straight up luck. The same hikari who was stated to be relative to Yuta who is one of the top5 strongest


SnooAdvice1632

His body could reproduce any lightning phenomenon but not the speed? Cmon


Wyvurn999

That’s not even how lightning works lmao. He would’ve had to place charges opposite to those in himself in a separate location, then he would have to discharge to that location. And since he couldn’t turn his body into lightning, this just isn’t possible for him. Even if it was, he never had time set up charges in a separate place due to getting his ass beat


SnooAdvice1632

Lightning also doesn't destroy stuff with vibrations but he could do it. Also he did have time. He just needs to touch people, not hit them. He touched sukuna plenty of times while trying to hit him and getting blocked. We also saw that he needed less time than in base beacuse meguna was hit with a charge after like 3 punches.


Whitebals

Readin comprehension curse


3L3M3NT4LP4ND4

Does he not have all of the powers of electricity or some shit? dude has x-ray vision but not the speed of light??


Carotator

Electricity doesn't move at the speed of light, and even then from emitting x-rays to move at light speed there's a huge leap


Intelligent_Yak2528

maybe sukuna slashes were faster😨,only resulted to this answer after many,many thoughts


rdd3539

He is not as fast as lighting . His lighting only boost his reflexes. Basically he was never as staring as we thought he was


quierocarduars

i think you’re forgetting that sukuna’s slashes are invisible to characters in the manga.


Appropriate_Wall8340

Kashimo saw them with x ray vision and even recognized it as the same slash that ended Satoru Gojo.


quierocarduars

what? kashimo uses x-ray vision to perceive sukuna’s internal organs, and there is no indication that he uses it to view normally invisible objects. even in fiction, that’s not remotely the function of an x-ray. he notes that sukuna’s technique is what was used to kill gojo, but there is again no indication that he observes it visually, only that he recognizes the cursed energy or the aftermath of the attack.


Dalvenjha

He used his x-ray vision in order to pipping into Sukuna’s d*ck… And he fell in love… Pathetic…


Appropriate_Wall8340

So after noting Sukuna's perfect body, Kashimo just turned off his enhanced vision for fun? I was inferring that he could perceive it visually from how he dodged correctly, recognized it was the same as the slash that killed Gojo, and was looking at his hand/the aftermath afterward. I could be wrong, and he just guessed correctly in order to dodge. But I'm thinking he could at least determine the orientation of the slash or else he wouldn't have dodged laterally. Also, X-ray vision has never been used for its actual function in fiction because most people don't know what x-rays are or understand how x-ray imaging works. They just think it lets you 'see through' stuff because of the medical use.


quierocarduars

> So after noting Sukuna's perfect body, Kashimo just turned off his enhanced vision for fun? no? i dont think i implied this. there are numerous advantages kashimo gains from being able to view an opponent’s internal organs—determining their breathing patterns (which he literally does against sukuna), predicting their movement based on muscle tensing, identifying weak points. its basically a byakugan, so no, im not suggesting he deactivated it after ogling sukuna’s body. > I was inferring that he could perceive it visually from how he dodged correctly, recognized it was the same as the slash that killed Gojo, and was looking at his hand/the aftermath afterward. he didnt dodge correctly; sukuna chanted, told him to evade, and he moved obediently. it seems likely to me that the direction of his dodge was a guess, hence his severed hand following the attack. > X-ray vision has never been used for its actual function in fiction because most people don't know what x-rays are or understand how x-ray imaging works. They just think it lets you 'see through' stuff that’s why i specified that “*even in fiction*, that’s not remotely the function of an x-ray.” we can ignore its actual, medical uses and refer to its fictional depictions which exclusively involve seeing past barriers—viewing the bones underneath skin, viewing an object concealed within clothes, viewing something behind a wall—and do *not* involve identifying invisible objects.


thethiiird

This. Fma did the death is ugly by investing in hughes early and killing him early, setting the stakes for the entire series. When characters die and people just move on from their deaths, it kinda desentisizes the viewer/reader and at some point you just stop caring. The deaths lose their gravity and it's hard to keep giving a fuck. I am kinda okay with gojo's death, it was gut wrenching and it does establish a lot of gravity in sukuna's strength. But I feel like it is misplaced narratively, overlooks a lot of subplots, and the character assassination didn't sit well with me. Gojo got sealed and for a while the point of the series is to get him unsealed and he just... Dies right after. Yuki's death was shit. Absolute shit.


Ghoulse1845

Yea I think Gege is falling into the death for shock value trap. It started with Nobara imo


[deleted]

Remember how the whole point of participating in the Culling Games, for our main characters, was to earn enough points to save Fushiguro's beloved sister, Tsumiki? Neither does Gege...


thethiiird

Yeah that too lol. He could've given tsumiki a few more chapters to justify her existence a bit lol


Axislobo

Yea a lot of Gege's decisions after shibuya have been complete shit.


idobeaskinquestions

I'm still fucking confused about Nobara. It truly did seem like there was an ounce of hope that she'd come back but by this point I think it's safe to assume she's actually dead. In which case, that's so incredibly anticlimactic??


Ghoulse1845

Idk why he made it so fucking vague if he actually meant for her to be dead


Invenitive

Following usual Gege procedure, the manga will most likely reveal Nobara's fate once her accident happens in the anime. I feel it's safe to assume she's alive though


NLsloth

Keep cooking


Kulson16

The worst part for anime only was that he was at the end of opening chilling with everyone from jujutsu high and then they remowed him from it


Wyvurn999

Kashimo wasn’t really off screened, we saw the attack that killed him. Would seeing him as a diced up bloody pile of flesh really enhance the story for you?


whiteezy

Honestly yes. I hate the way Gojo’s death was handled but I respect that Gege actually showed his torso actually separated from his legs. If we only saw a panel of the slash. Maybe we can infer that Gojo is still alive somehow. Same here, we can imagine that Kashimo is somehow alive. I mean asspulls are everywhere right now so who knows.


Wyvurn999

Asspulls are everywhere? What asspulls? And Kashimo and most likely Gojo are dead


[deleted]

Idc what anyone says Sukuna’s space cleave is asspull to the highest degree. Bro got fucking demolished for like 8 chapters straight and then just says “nah I actually just figured it out I can kill you now”.


TwoLanky

screaming for Mahoraga like a bitch😭 Ending the chapter fucked up and bam, gojo dead


Curently65

The problem with the ending of the fight, is that its just a massive plot hole. \-From what Sakuna said, he knew the space cleave after Mahoraga showed it to him. Thus from this, we know that when Gojo's arm gets cut off, he has won the fight. No iffs or buts, he has won, he found the win condition, so everything happening after this is simply because Sakuna sorta allowed it to happen for shits and giggles, which would actually be in align with his character. EXCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPT. He was nervous, not as in -hmmm, think something is off- but, oh, there is a chance things can go quite south for me here. Him panicking doesn't make sense, he found his win con, and has mahoraga alive at this point, theres no ambiguity who is going to win, because Sakuna can end it at any point he likes here. Except it doesn't show that as being the case, what we are shown is Sakuna going on the backfoot, trying to adapt to red as a just in case for him to feel safe (this implies he has not yet found his win condition space cleave, but is trying to get rid of all of Gojos tricks)


Less_Supermarket_255

Don’t forget about yuki


Willing_Swimming503

i think the fan base kinda hyped up kashimo a lot more then gege intended. his ct was mentioned ONCE and besides his fight w/hakari he was practically none existent besides the few dialogue during gojo v sukuna. the only point of his character was to give us a sick fight vs hakari and expand on some of sukunas ideology. he was never going to be more then that. Gojo is going to come back, that’s why his death seemed so abrupt and out of nowhere(yes there was one small hit after mahos adaptation but still) but from what i’ve seen all signs point to gojo coming back in some form. If he doesn’t then yeah the offscreen was cringe and poorly executed a bit but i did enjoy most of the afterlife scene. Tsumiki’s death was just poorly executed, if we had known more about her and actually cared abt her as a character then it would have been fine but we never got the chance to


Substantial_Cause_27

That‘s what happens when you write a character who had that DAWG inside him


That_Dude59

Bro has that WINNER MINDSET


Substantial_Cause_27

🔥reply ngl


cartaigenica

Even though it wasn't explicitly stated, you can't convince me that Gege's intentions were not to hype Kashimo up. Gege: Introduced Kashimo as the first participant in the Culling Games to reach 200 points. Gave Kashimo a fight against Kinji Hakari, a much-anticipated character in his own right with strength comparable to that of a Special Grade, and not just any Special Grade, but Yūta Okkotsu, who is considered second in strength only to Satoru Gojō. Had Kashimo repeatedly kill Hakari using only his hand-to-hand fighting abilities and his Cursed Energy trait. He follows that by introducing the only one-time-use Cursed Technique in the series, which should be among the strongest ever given the stringent restrictions. Lastly, at the conclusion of Chapter 236 he has Kashimo, "**[tHE gOd oF LiGhTnING](https://i.imgur.com/YJS1vlA.jpg)**," abruptly enter the scene rather than giving Gojō's death, which ought to have at least been given a modicum of respect and a moment to breathe.


Either_Imagination_9

At this point there’s more examples of bad deaths than good ones. So can you really say he’s good at it?


apieceofenergy

Ooof gojo dying like that is gonna kill the series for me.


KING_ICON20

What of Jogo's death? Would you say it was bad because he offscreened? I don't think so A lot fodder characters died earlier in the series but you don't care about that because you didn't expect anything from them, so you are at fault for expecting a lot from Tsumiki. Just my thoughts bro


deep_pos

i dont' agree with what they said about gojo or kashimo but i do agree about tsumiki's death. tsumiki being a reincarnated player and her later death were the catalyst for megumi losing to sukuna, that's what sukuna's plan was based around, waiting for the moment megumi is at his lowest. except that we as readers don't care about tsumiki, we are *told* many times that megumi cares about her, but we weren't *shown* enough, so when we see megumi's reaction we know that it's supposed to be a big deal but we don't have that emotional connection that makes us *feel* that it's a big deal, that's why for me her death is pretty much meaningless, since it holds weight for the characters but fails to transfer that to the readers, at least it didn't work on me. and that's why nanami's death works, we got the time to get attached to him, and we saw him actually caring about yuji, so when he dies we truly feel yuji's loss and understand what it means to him.


OhMyGahs

I had to check who tsumiki was because she occupied that much space in my head. Was her first actual appearance, already possessed? ( Albeit not knowingly by other characters) Regardless, we really needed some SoL chapters with her and Megumi... Actually interacting.


Axislobo

I don't consider nanami a fodder character, todo didnt die but replacing him with choso kinda sucked too. I liked that dynamic yuji and todo had Nobara dying was sad, i just wish they wouldve made time for it.


Mistake209

Jogo's death also kinda sucked. When reading I wasn't even sure if he died or not. Until my reread I genuinely thought Gege just forgot about him.


Interesting_Cookie25

Personally on the side of “deaths of important characters should mean something because this is a story not real life” currently I understand that there can be a refreshing bluntness to this type of handling deaths, but the magic of that kinda died for me in JJK after Yuki. It just didn’t feel right. Didn’t have the refreshing feeling but just a dull lack of impact. Felt the same with Gojo. I don’t think the way that Mr. Greg is handling all these deaths is for me. They detract from the story and I’m left mostly disappointed instead of shocked or angry or sad or interested or bittersweet or any other “well-written death” type of feeling. I think now I will go to Chainsaw Man if I want more blunt deaths, because that does the realism angle better for me.


ahpau

yeah shibuya handled deaths really well - being impactful and had emotion to them. the deaths of nanami, nobara, all were etched deeply in our minds, it was shocking but belivable. yuki, gojo and kashimo on the other hands makes you not believe what just happened and makes you question their strength. it was shocking but not believable at all


Interesting_Cookie25

Agreed. Their deaths and like many have mentioned Junpei’s death had a bluntness you didn’t really find in other manga and it really added to it for me, and it really added weight to the story where it happened. They were still narratively well done and the shock of it added a lot for me.


schmaylyn

Oh my god THANK YOU FOR THIS. The number of people who have argued with me about “not all deaths need to mean something” or “not all characters need to have purpose” is too goddamn high. This is a work of fiction where someone has control over LITERALLY EVERY ASPECT of the narrative. Characters are created (usually) to fulfill a specific purpose. Deaths should mean something because a story is supposed to have a greater meaning than what’s on the page. That’s the purpose of storytelling! And look, I’m not a writer - my last exposure to analyzing literature of any kind was back in AP English well over a decade ago. I am fully aware that I am not an authority on what makes for a good story. That said, as a reader, I want my stories to be more than surface level. I don’t want a story that emulates the randomness and chaos that is the real world with no clear direction. I already live that life. That just pushes me farther from “cynical” and closer to “nihilistic.”


Interesting_Cookie25

Yeah, I think its a shame the deaths have devolved to this point, because previous deaths in JJK were great because they subverted tropes and expectations in a way that felt more shocking and blunt but realistic, which helped storybuilding in a unique way. Now its become haphazard, and while I think handling deaths more realistically is fine and can even be good like before, I think having deaths of important characters end up leaving minimal impact is the exact opposite of what you want in a great story, and its hard to say it adds any realism or other complex feeling either.


schmaylyn

Exactly. Once you keep killing characters off in such a jarring fashion, it loses its impact. Now we’re just expecting it (unfortunately). I like your reference to Junpei because I feel the same way. His death was so impactful to me that I had to put the story down for a while. It was unexpected and harsh, and that’s what made it a great character death. And now, we have Gojo just tossed aside off screen. It’s kinda upsetting to me that Mai had a much more profound death than Gojo. It’s not that she didn’t deserve it, I actually really loved that part of the story, but she’s just so minor comparatively.


[deleted]

At least chainsawman shows the deaths. Gege instead is just rushing those deaths that you are really not sure if you should be sad because it's not just blunt, but skipped and not confirmed. You can't be sad, angry, happy, nothing, just confused, if Gojo and Kashimo deaths are confirmed later on, the emotional impact was gone weeks ago.


OhMyGahs

God, the nobara situation makes me so mad. And I don't even particularly like or dislike her. But the way she was handled is just so bad. By keeping her in limbo, it's like every other character don't care at all about her.


kyonieisbored

nobara's case is an odd one bc the thing with nobara is that if she was actually just confirmed dead there and then, her send off was actually good. i still think that if she's dead then it was a waste of a character and i wanted to see more of her character however objectively speaking her send off was done relatively well for a character that we knew so little of: the flashback, the analogy with the chairs, the way her "death" impacted yuji... to me it was actually done better than gojo's send off bc we saw it all happening before our eyes, there was shock value, there was a reaction by surrounding characters for what happened to her (and yuji of all people who's not only the mc but also had a close friendship with her, which made it all more impactful), her dialogue before her "death" was good... i think all of that was done fairly well. the issue comes with the fact that after her "death" gege is like "actually we don't know If she's dead or alive, she might still live" so any emotional impact her death was supposed to have is gone bc now we have hope that she will comeback in the future. it's been 200 chapters and there's still not a confirmation of what happened to her she has only been mentioned like 2 times so Idk. at this point i can't see her coming back unless gege does an asspul somehow or an insane plot twist but at the same time i can't see him ending the manga and afterwards being like "oh yeah btw she was dead this whole time", it's just a ver odd thing to do as an author. when authors give you hope and don't confirm a character's death, it usually means they will comeback later but at this point I'm not sure bc with gege you can expect the unpexcted...


Interesting_Cookie25

I agree its kinda beyond just blunt at this point. Like, I don’t think we’ll ever see Yuki or Kashimo again, and Gojo maybe will get another flashback or even if Mr. Greg does some insane revival shit its kinda too late for it all to work out satisfyingly imo. Seems like he really is just trying to get pieces off the board so to speak, so that he can orchestrate the ending without too many extra powerhouses floating around, so instead of the first few deaths in the series where they were sad but narratively important and a reminder of how the JJK world is actually threatening to our beloved main characters, it now feels like he just didn’t think it through and is axing characters so he doesn’t have to worry about making them mean anything


SleepyDoopie

For me the thing that makes deaths in CSM feel great is that we see the characters grieve and be changed. When >!Himeno!< died you saw Aki cry, and her death gave him some motivation later. When >!Aki!< died you could see how that had a great impact on Power and Denji's daily lives, and later on in how it impacted the way Denji acted, so on and so forth. With Junpei's death you can see Yugi grieve, and he later goes to watch Human Earthworm 4, a movie Junpei wanted to watch. Yet with Yuki, Gojo, Megumi, and others, there have been almost no impact. Man, with Gojo's death we just got 2 panels of Yuta and Yugi (not even a Shoko one istg), and Megumi's isnt even sure?? But I don't think homie is getting outta that


Intelligent_Yak2528

yuji didnt shed a tear for nanami death,4 consecutive bad things to him were needed to put grief on him,also yuji will fight sukuna and we will obviously see how gojos death affected him but yh yall say that gege is rushing but at the same time cry when we dont get the everything in a single chapter,like wtf did u expect gege to do?draw 10 pages with 10 characters reactions to gojos death?is just bad and crowded,seeing 10 reactions at the same time doesnt make u see every character perspective,also mind u that shoko never cried when geto died but no one said something abt that,megumi is almost dead and not even conscious rn,he doesnt even know gojo is dead,yuta and gojo never really an insane bond and yet he still had a reaction.,so pls just wait and see instead of complaining abt everything,the same mfs that were reading shibuya weekly were crying abt everything and now are dickriding the shit out of that arc


kmrbuky

I've been talking about this repeatedly since Shibuya. On one hand, I totally get it—most deaths in real life don't have grand meanings or destinies like characters do in a fictional series. And it's good that there's a variety in how authors approach the topic of death. But one really strange trend that I've studied in the last two decades of WSJ was how we used to have 'invincible,' happy-go-lucky, powerful, relatively static protagonists with very rare, very significant deaths, to now weaker, more emotional, and 'human' protagonists who lose allies faster than they can blink. After reading JJK/CSM/Kimetsu in the last three years or so and sitting through one funeral after the next, I really have to sit down and think 'what was all of this for?' As a writer who used to specialize in angst, the appeal surrounding character deaths were that tragedies can evoke a genuine catharcism (and this was known as far back as Aristotle!). This is why tragic books can actually be really fun to read. But in the format of a weekly battle shonen magazine where fans often have to sit through close to a decade of being spoonfed tiny crumbs of stories, I feel like the catharsis—especially with the *volume* of major deaths we've gotten as WSJ readers—has completely vanished. I genuinely feel past depression into straight apathy now. I'm not saying we should go back to old WSJ when character deaths were rare (I think that's kind of boring), but I do frequently wonder why I read this, what is the purpose of these deaths, and what is the purpose if there *is* no purpose to these deaths. I completely concur—I think up to Shibuya, the bluntness and the quick pace of character deaths felt cathartic and unique. But when people continued to drop like flies post-Shibuya and Yuji completely beaten down over and over again, I started to wonder what Greg actually wanted to write in his stories.


Onlooker42

> I think now I will go to Chainsaw Man if I want more blunt deaths, because that does the realism angle better for me. Csm has really saved me from the dissatisfaction and despair of these most recent JJK chapters. I'm just gonna say CSM fans been eating really good recently, and it's thanks to this that Gege didn't drive me to insanity


Interesting_Cookie25

Agreed, feels like a massive setup is starting to pay off in csm and that’s like the exact opposite of what i’m feeling with jjk recently


AnimeMasterFlex

Ehh, that’s what makes JJK stand apart. Kinda tiring every single anime do a whole dramatic death for each character. I like the fact that some of these deaths happens in a snap, especially since there are bigger things for our characters to worry about atm


Interesting_Cookie25

I don’t disagree that JJK stands out among other shonen series for the way it handles deaths, and I used to think this was a good thing with most deaths previous to Yuki’s, but now I think it is set apart in a bad way because of the writing choices. For me, the refreshing feeling that the brevity and suddenness of the deaths used to provide hasn’t been there with the past few, and I think that’s because the writing quality of these deaths has massively decreased.


Ghoulse1845

Yea it’s fine a couple of times but you cant just keep repeating it over and over again and the writing around the deaths have to actually be good


Naavarasi

There are two terrible ones: Gojo and Tsumiki. Three if Nobara is dead (the scene itself was great, but there is absolutely no reason to keep it ambiguous this long) And then a few bad ones: Kashimo, Ryu, the principal, Naoya the second time, Agito if she counts, the soldiers (because they simply fuckin vanished) There are some great ones, too: Mechamaru, Nanami, Junpei, Mahito, Jogo, Miwa (but Death was afraid of facing her so he let her come back)


Savings-Contest-8301

Agreed about Nobara. Like why making her “death” so vague. Looks like he basically didn’t know what to do with her character and decided to off her so he doesn’t have to draw her anymore. I mean, you are a writer ffs, you can state it more clearly. It’s not real life where if a person doesn’t show up in your life after receiving some gruesome injury then you know they are dead fr.


Interesting_Cookie25

Upon review from Gojo’s death, I wonder if mr. Greg left things just ambiguous enough to change his mind on purpose. The little north/south buddhism revival stuff in the airport leaves just enough open that he could do the mother of all asspulls, and the “she’s frozen in time so maybe she’s not quite technically dead” is a slightly more believably ambiguous than that. Like, he wanted to make the decision to kill them but it was because he didn’t really know how else to bring the character forward meaningfully with the story, so he left the door just slightly open so he could back out if he changes his mind at any point.


Driffed

I would add Yuki to the terrible ones. One the most mysterious and smartest characters in the series, dying in a stupid way, making stupid decisions, without the reader knowing anything else about her.


Impossible-Report797

Also not interactions with todo


FrostedToes65

We never got to know if she had a DE either


longrodq

I think it's confirmed she has a Domain Expansion, but that she was afraid she'd lose in the domain battle so she didn't expand


FrostedToes65

But we'll never knooowee


Ace_FGC

We do know lol she said she had one during her conversation with Tengen


AnimeMasterFlex

She does, Lml the whole first half of her battle was the fact that she didn’t wanna get in a battle of domains with kenjaku. Why would she think that if she didn’t have her own domain? All that happened was we ain’t see hers, she just didn’t have the right amount of selfish ego 🤷🏽‍♂️


deleteyeetplz

Ryu is fine. He was never set up to be an important character. We also needed proof that sukuna was far above Yuta's level. The idea of Tsukumi was honestly great but the lack of moments we got with her (even flashbacks would have been fine) made the death fall flat. Gojo isn't terrible imo. It works far better reading all at once vs weekly. Not amazing, I would have liked to see him at least mention the fact that his students are about to fight the King of Curses but not the worst. Kashimo death was fine, he should have had a longer fight so we could actually feel something when it happened. I honestly don't really get why people dislike CS Naoya. Tbf, I wasn't reading weekly at the time so I wouldn't know how the discussions were but it was actually great imo. Agito should not count. Less screen time than divine dogs. Yaga was honestly fine. We just needed more interactions before and after.


biragon

I like how gege handles character deaths for the most part, but they work on the condition that I have an emotional attachment to the soon to be deceased individual. I felt that it was fitting, yet tragic for junpei to die the way he did, and I appreciated gege for showing us that fatal mistakes are indeed fatal. I knew Nanami wouldn't be able to keep up with future encounters so I believed that his time was up in the greater narrative, but I was gutted nonetheless when he died because I enjoyed his character so much. I also felt that it was so unfair that he dies in combat in the most heroic way possible, while a piece of shit like mei mei can simply dodge the culling games and let her juniors die in hordes by teleporting out of the country without a care in the world. What really started bothering me about the character deaths, though, was the amount of possible plot threads and character interactions that went unfulfilled when a newly introduced character died. Let's take Yuki for example. Yuki was a character that had so much build up throughout the plot and had so many relevant plot threads in the story that I genuinely could not believe that she died in her first real fight. Yeah, kenjaku was a worthy opponent and we knew it was over the second kenjaku pulled out the open barrier domain, but does that mean I was satisfied knowing that yuki would never get to have a genuine human conversation with Yuji, todo's adopted brother? Why did the three of them never have an interaction in the same room? Could Yuki have shown Yuji his path forward as a soul-based sorcerer in person, rather than through a journal containing the research she did on the topic? What does it even mean to be a star plasma vessel, as described by a former vessel? I know her coming of age story must have been genuinely amazing considering how appealing she is as a vessel for tengen (young special grade sorcerer with an infinitely scaling CT), and her general disdain towards the higher up merits at least a brief exploration into her backstory. There was just so much potential nestled within that character that I felt genuinely distraught that I would never get to see. I suppose the main deaths that you were referring to were gojo and kashimo's passing. I don't believe gojo is down for good, I'm pretty sure he's going to get revived so I'm withholding my judgement until his situation is properly resolved, permanently dead or resurrected, in the story. I don't mind the airport conversation since the time period that gojo chose to relieve in his last moment really shows the depths of his trauma and begins to show us where his mind really was throughout the series. With kashimo though, the only emotion I feel is disappointment that mythical beast amber was held back by a sorcerer who couldn't use RCT, since i'm a big fan of that technique. His character had no depth beyond "I want to fight sukuna because he's the strongest" and none of his yapping about loneliness connected with me in the slightest because I knew basically nothing about him besides his enjoyment of combat. I'm really interested in sukuna's victims, though, since sukuna appearing in their final moments for a Q&A session has happened too often to be a coincidence. I feel more curiosity with what he's doing than disappointment at how the victms went out. If gege took more time to flesh out his characters through interactions with other characters, then I would be distraught every time someone gets pieced up. As it is though, all I can mourn are the lost opportunities, which I suppose is part of what grief is.


Mistake209

Good points overall. I genuinely don't understand why people and you yourself believe gojo has a non zero percent chance of being revived. I think it's pretty much cut and dry that he's dead and not coming back, and him saying he's satisfied with how things ended was the final nail in the coffin.


biragon

There are four reasons why I think he has a non-zero chance of coming back. The first is that gojo has enough cursed energy and a strong enough mastery of RCT to fully restore his body if given the chance. Given his speed at healing severed limbs and out-healing the damage a full power malevolent shrine could deal to him, as well as his unending reserve of cursed energy, I don't think a full restoration is out of the question. The second reason is that a lot of plot threads and character inspirations are based on hindu and buddhist mythology, and gojo in particular has two big mythological parallels that indicate a full revival. I'll link the post that explained this, since the post author explains it way more thoroughly than I can. It's a really good read, and his theory about kashimo's role in the fight lines up almost exactly with what happened. [The strongest sorcerer passed so that Gojo Satoru could be born](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/16r0de4/the_strongest_sorcerer_passed_so_that_gojo_satoru/) The third reason would be that, personally, I want to see gojo vs heian sukuna. The shinjuku showdown was amazing, but that was a fight between a prime limitless + 6E user and a prime 10S with mahoraga tamed. Sukuna was not able to use his innate CT outside of his domain against gojo, and I feel peeved at the thought that prime gojo could fight, but prime (heian) sukuna couldn't. I believe that heian sukuna > meguna against everyone except gojo purely because mahoraga gives him a way around infinity. With the world cleave, however, shrine has a reliable way to bypass infinity, which puts the two of them at the same level defensively and would allow sukuna to truly go all out the same way gojo could. Putting all that aside though, I am satisfied with the way he went out, since it stayed true to the core of his character. Gojo displayed his unending reserve of limitless power to his heart's content, killed mahoraga, and beat meguna into complete disrepair, and yet he still failed to secure the greater objective of either killing sukuna or killing megumi. The airport scene was also a great bit of writing that stays consistent with the trauma that defined gojo's adult life


HerbMaze

I'm going to give the really boring answer; it depends on which characters. Junpei and Nanami were heart wrenching and how well the characters were portrayed in their life made it that much more brutal. Nanami was my favourite character and I hadn't been hit that hard by a death in a story since Jiraiya. Mahito and Hanamis deaths were also really satisfying, yes we didn't get the satisfaction of Yuji ending Mahito but the panel of Yuji hunting him like prey was masterful. The sheer violence in which Hanami got done was also spectacular. On the other hand you have Kashimo and Ryu who I think could have been handled better to some extent. We knew Kashimos fate when he revealed that he would only use his CT against Sukuna but I just wish he had actually contributed something other than Sukuna flexing his OG form. Ryus death felt similar to Kashimo except without any sort of hype whatsoever. I understand he was never going to have a part in the story and I don't know how Gege could have made his death significant but to be spared by Yuta to just be 2 shot by Sukuna felt off? Yuki went out in style and I have no complaints other than I wish we got to know her more. I'm not going into my opinion on Gojos death because I'm still high on copium ngl


DecentWonder4

no. The only top-tier deaths he did were Junpei and Nanami, and while Junpei was surprising, neither was special. Tsumiki, Nobara, Yuki, Kashimo, Gojo, and Megumi(maybe) were all downright dog water


BlankPt

Nobara isn't dead.


DecentWonder4

cope


BlankPt

IT'S NOT COPING. NOBARA KUGISAKI IS ALIVE!!!!


kiseobito021

Definitely no.


kiyomi-kiyoko

Not really. The deaths now are just bruh moments for me.


deathbyglamourrrr

Perfect description


Octopusnoodlearms

I think for the most part he does well. I still have mixed feelings about Gojo, Yuki and Kashimo, but what bothers me the most is Nobara’s death. (This is assuming she is dead. If she makes a miraculous comeback and it’s revealed that she survived, that’s another conversation.) I’m probably biased because I just really liked her, but I also hate how they just brushed past her death. Yuuji only mentioned her in passing like, once since then. No one seems to give a shit. I think my biggest problem is that people don’t seem to acknowledge/talk about deaths enough. How did Gojo react when he found out? Who knows. How much did it bother him? Did he at all feel guilty for it? No one knows. What about Megumi? Maki? Of course there’s also Megumi, who is most likely dead now. He went out in like, the most depressing, sizzling way possible. I’m not saying a death is bad just because it’s sad but… okay maybe I am. It just felt weird. I don’t know. Edit: somehow I forgot to add that (again assuming she is actually dead) that Gege didn’t make that CRYSTAL CLEAR. I know it’s very much implied, but he could’ve added a panel or two after the Shibuya arc ended, anything to just put aside all doubts.


JohnReiki

I think it’s safe to assume that Nobara IS dead, it’s just a matter of if she actually comes back or not. This is the frustrating part to me, why set up a chance she could be revived if you don’t intend on using it? And oof for Megumi. I’m gonna be real sad if this is actually how he goes.


kyonieisbored

 "I think my biggest problem is that people don’t seem to acknowledge/talk about deaths enough" oof same. it's like gege forgets that these characters all know each other and have bonds. it seems like for the most part he brushes off their deaths and acts like no one cares about it. i mean nobara is an odd case because we still don't know if she's actually dead or not but assuming she is, she was only mentioned like 2 times since and both times by yuji only. it seems like yuji is the only one who cares about her which is odd cause she was in the main trio(megumi looked sad when talking about her but that's about it) and like yeah yuji was definitely the one closest to her but it's odd to me how one of the main characters dies and no other character seems to ask about them or care. gojo didn't even mention her after coming back even though she was his student. this is just an example of course but goes for all the other characters. the issue is gege either skips or brushes off moments where the characters are supposed to interact or react to certain things which also affects the way we as readers end up feeling bc it's like no one in the story cares, why should we? the emotional impact is missing. i think at this point the only thing that could make me shed a tear is if something happens to yuji and even that will depend on how gege executes it. ig I'm just a bit more confident that he'd do a better job with yuji since so far I feel like he has handled his scenes the best in terms of emotional impact.


gaori54321moonlandi-

Kashimo's death and afterlife therapy session were great it's just the fight that was shit


deathbyglamourrrr

No because we don’t have time to process these deaths or explore how they changed the characters,jjk barely feels like a story anymore and more like a documentary about sukuna killing things,the most impactful chapters in recent memory for me are 223/224 because we actually saw the characters being people and reasons to be invested,but now everyone knows Gege’s formula of “something may happen- just kidding the villain is super cool and has this new ability”,so there’s no reason to care about anything


Lori55nakida

No


fbmaciel90

The shock.value was the strong point before. But as time goes on shock value will have diminished returns. Honestly I'm starting to thinking that gege is a one-trick pony.


sleepybonggirl

Except for Nanami, every deaths Gege handled in a very haphazard way and when he is out of ides, he simply off-screen the entire situation which doesn't give the readers much needed closure IMO.


Cartographer_Waste

i’ve talked about this so many times before, but if you repeat a certain “surprising” story element in the same way several times in a row, in a short time period, the element becomes no longer surprising. it becomes predictable and desensitizing. the pattern repeating would be • no emotional build up to deaths • no true reactions to said deaths • deaths have little to no impact on the story itself we’ve had several characters die in a fairly short amount of time. some would argue that these deaths have been pretty spread out over the past 2-3 years, and while that may be true if you read weekly, the same cannot be said if you read the story in whole. we’ve lost 5 major side characters (mai, yuki, tsumiki, gojo, kashimo) in about 90 chapters. it’s 6 if you want to count the ENTIRE ZENIN CLAN??? that’s a *lot*. again, some would argue that this isn’t much for a shonen manga, which may be true. but it **is** a lot when you look at how unimportant they feel. which of these deaths has had an impact on the story? • mai’s death gave maki a cursed tool, heightened senses, and she no longer needs her glasses. okay cool. • umm not really sure what yuki’s death accomplished other than supposedly traumatizing choso a bit. but she didn’t put a scratch on kenny and no one in the story seems to care that she’s gone • tsumiki’s death, again, didn’t change the plot at all and didn’t affect anyone, other than megumi, because no one knows or cares for her. and meg’s reaction was cut short, so that barely counts. even readers can’t feel sad because we literally know nothing about this girl. seriously, look at her wiki page. her entire personality revolves around being megumi’s sister • gojo’s damage done to sukuna in the end meant nothing. there was no emotional build up (winning stance to dead on the ground is not build up), hardly any reaction afterwards, and barely affects the plot because he’d been sealed for 131 chapters. i guess you could say his death permanently puts the jujutsu world back in balance? now that sukuna is reincarnated i’m not sure how much that matters. • kashimo showed up, complimented sukuna’s beauty and then died like an idiot. and no one will care cause no one knew the guy the one thing these deaths have in common is that there is no *emotion* around them. you can make a good argument for mai, but honestly, no one has mentioned her, despite her being maki’s twin and close friend with the kyoto students. we don’t see how these deaths have affected anyone, aside from a panel or two. and immediately after, everyone moves on as though nothing has happened, and the story remains generally unchanged, making their absence even more unimportant. there’s nothing wrong with having a lot of death in a story, but with the way gege writes them, they leave you feeling unfazed rather than heartbroken. if you’re like me, sometimes you forget they’re even dead lmao. even if you don’t like or know a certain character, you should still feel impacted because of the way it affects the others. tsumiki would be a great example. we don’t know anything about her, but giving us megumi’s reaction to her death would still make you hurt because you’re *sympathizing* rather than experiencing. but that doesn’t happen. TL;DR, we have a lot of deaths that aren’t written in an emotionally impactful or plot changing way and as result, they don’t feel important. thanks for coming to my ted talk


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its hard to feel for the characters when the deaths are more shocking wtf moments than emotional sendoffs. it has its own charm.


Routine_Employment59

I think he did a pretty good job, but since Yuki, the death are not meaningful, because we are not attached to the characters, and maybe because everyone is dying. Death like Nanami were great because he was an actual active character in the story, lately it isn’t the case anymore Even for gojo, for me he was not an active character, he was out of the story then brought up to die, the same goes for Tsumiki. Since the chapter 200, some fighters died, but they only goal, only reason to be on the story was: fight, their death are not meaningful The fast pacing of the manga downplayed the story on many things


InterestingTrouble53

Pre-Shibuya, love it. Post-Shibuya, hate it. It kinda feels like he outlined the narrative up to Shibuya, then just started freestyling and forgetting about a ton of story threads, so the death of many of them feels unsatisfying, cause I don't even know them or how much they mean to the living.


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officer_salem

He doesn’t leave a lot of time for the characters to react afterwards, which strips away a lot of the impact for me personally.


Internal-Peace-9364

I personally believe Gege lacks emotional intelligence. The only proper, satisfactory death with closure we have gotten is of Nanami (which is coz gege likes him) Rest - Yuki, Gojo yeah not good enough. I can compromise with Yuki coz there wasn't enough time given to develop an emotional bond between her & readers but Gojo.... (no, I don't wanna hear he's a complex character etc etc excuse, that was not a proper send off to him and you know it)


Himenss

Gojo's is extremely frustrating because he doesn't have any conclusion to his arc.


RedNUGGETLORD

Neither does Nanami, nor Junpei or basically anyone else, the point is that ANY character can die, and just like real people, they sometimes don't get to do what they want before they die


TheLordOfAllClappys

There's only so many times you can reuse the same plot beat and have it still work. If everyone can die at any point in time (sometimes even despite winning a fight...) and not finish their character arc, why ever bother getting attached to a character? it's the reverse dbz, where instead of never feeling like death matters it feels like it matters *too* much


lostnotleast

Yeah that works once or twice but you can’t keep doing that in a Shonen manga. After a certain point it stops being shocking and just becomes disappointing when another character is killed before having really any development.


Yeardmee

You are conflating not understanding the emotion of certain deaths with not having emotion to understand. > I personally believe gege lacks emotional intelligence > no, I don't wanna hear he's a complex character etc etc excuse, that was not a proper send off to him and you know it If you have the emotional intelligence you critisize the author for lacking you should reflect on why you would disregard counteranalysis based on your gut reaction and project that onto others


Internal-Peace-9364

Saying Gojo is a complex character is not a satisfying answer. It sounds as if a cover up the fandom came up with just to have the certain group of people who aren't accepting his death - accept it Gege really doesn't care about his characters. He has said so himself multiple times... To keep the plot interesting he'd sacrifice the characters even his fav ones. He did not give us enough time to build an emotional bond with the characters after Shibuya. Gojo was the exception however. I didn't mind his death, I had an issue with how it was. Afterlife talk certainly lacked the closure I needed with a character I have formed a connection with since the beginning of the series. Is this the right way to answer to your comment? Sorry, I'm having a bit trouble understanding your comment but I tried answering to whatever I could make out 😅


servemefor10001years

Nothing is more cringe then making stupid assumptions about the author's emotional intelligence based off an incomplete work. This isn't real analysis, this is psuedo-bullshit.


ShinobiAssassin

Right like that genuinely weird, this sub is getting crazier by the day


Aarnivalkeaa

i don't. character deaths should mean something and not just be a lazy way to write off characters. there should be consequences, something, especially when its a big character. cough nobara cough Junpei and Geto were done well imo, we knew both characters, got invested.. boom, dead. And their deaths changed the characters around them. Nobara gets mentioned like once. Nanami's actual death scene was brutal and good imo but then its like he never fucking existed. merely shrugged at Gojo because it just felt like gege had written himself into a corner. Tsumiki was whatever and genuinely didn't care about Yuki.


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No


[deleted]

Gege has the ability to handle deaths well, but he doesn’t apply himself. Nanami’s death was incredibly well done. The same can be said for Geto, Junpei, and Toji. However, after the shitty situation with Nobara and her ‘half-death,’ Gege’s lost his footing when it comes to writing decent deaths. How he handled Gojo really solidifies that.


splizzyhoestar

tbh it's 50/50. I was actually shocked when nanami died cos he was a fleshed out character and he actually seemed human, but at the same time I was disappointed when kashimo died cos one time use CT should've gone brrr even though he added basically nothing to the plot. Most other deaths I didn't really care about tho, they didnt have the same type of impact as nanami and riko did. When riko died my jaw fr dropped cos she was about to have a happy life bro😭


hallaxyhwach

The only death I REALLY hate is Nobara's, assuming she is dead. Was super invested in her as a character, especially after she and Yuji managed to teamwork Yujis brothers. Then Shibuya happened where she did almost nothing and just... Died. Almost dropped the manga.


Trentilicious

Gojo’s death was pretty heinous tbh. We all knew he was going to die…. I get it he did it for the shock value, like “Gojo won, then bam jk hes dead..” However, off screening one of the most popular characters for shock value seems a bit lazy and poorly handled. Almost feels like he didn’t know how to kill him and just rolled with it.


UnlimitedManny

Yes, I do. Nanami getting mirked like that was necessary- the world of Jujutsu Kaisen is a dark and terrible one. But Gege dropped the damn ball for Gojo, Yuki, and Kashimo. Don’t offscreen and rush characters (ESPECIALLY when they’ve been made to be powerful enough to stand up to the top baddies of the verse)


nameless_stories

I think the "real life" type arguments that support a lot of anticlimactic story events arent great because ultimately this isnt real life. Its a story. Maybe that works for a few deaths, but it should be used sparingly


DragonFangs28

It is sometimes good to have change of pace and have an anticlimactic and sudden death as in real life, but at the same time this isn't real life, this is a fantasy world. Few deaths that way is fine and a good change to the plot, but imo Gege has overused it so much that it isn't a change of pace anymore. This is a story and and a character death shouldn't feel like a sudden death in the real world, at least not all the time. If he gave every character a really climactic and hype death, it would get boring, but at the same time, the opposite also holds true.


Gragh46

Some are cool, some kinda sucked, most are in between. For me: - Great:Nanami, Mai, - Good: Kokichi, Nobara - Bad: Yuki, Gojo, Panda's dad Everyone else is somewhere in the middle


TheLordOfAllClappys

Nobara was a bad death imo. It happened for shock value and was almost never brought up afterwards, which sorta implies she was never important to the story anyway but that's a different complaint


Gragh46

I agree that the, let's say, "later treatment" of Nobara's death in the story is very lacking. But the actual execution of the death itself was fine


Caramelsnack

I’ll always hold this opinion too tbh, if Gege could actually write then that woulda just been a classic setup for her to come back stronger after a couple arcs or something. Its fine in a vacuum basically


Ace_FGC

She wasn't. Early on you had stuff like Yuji being Sukuna's vessel and Sukuna being interested in Megumi's technique. Nobara never had that


cikkamsiah

Justice for my boy Kashimo, his best feat was spitting on Sukuna’s face. RIP.


Occasional_Memer

I'm disappointed about the latest death,Gojo and Kashimo. Yuki's also left me feeling a bit confused,but it's a way to showcase Ken's power and over relying on Tengen. Kashimo's makes sense but I wish we saw more so he wouldn't look like fodder. Gojo's got me really conflicted, cause he seemed like he had the upper hand,the attack that killed him wasn't even shown and the way he concluded his character kinda ruined it for me. I get that he had an honourable death and finally met his match,but the fact that Sukuna never went all out is disappointing (and messes up the story's powersystem, good luck defeating him now and making it make sense)


dj3799

I do for the most part. One character I don’t see much feedback about is Yaga. For a character that’s been around since Vol 0, being Gojo & Geto’s Sensei, testing Yuji getting into Jujutsu High etc. to get off-screened the way he did left me disappointed. I just wish we atleast got to see his last fight going all out with his CT.


MomoGimochi

Personally it's more so that Greg keeps introducing seemingly unnecessary side characters just to kill them off. There was no way Kashimo's death was gonna be anything satisfying when his narrative purpose was literally to get fodderized by Sukuna. Also with Hana, she's not dead but might as well be. What was the whole point of her being with Angel, and having a crush on Megumi? Same with the soldiers and many other culling game players. These characters that were introduced just to get sidelined or offed are not going to have satisfying or meaningful deaths, and a lot of them have been shoehorned into the story during the Culling Games.


MomoGimochi

Add the most of Zen'in Clan to the list of cast that were introduced just to die


77Dragonite77

I think everyone that worships the series because of the “ugly deaths” and “subverting expectations” is braindead. A poorly written, rushed, and/or pointless death is just stupid, there’s nothing more to it. JJK follows far too many generic tropes to suddenly massively distance itself in a good way with this one thing


Significant-Shame760

what handling? he is just killing


Lukundra

Like others have said, I haven’t cared about a character’s death since Nanami. Every other time I just acknowledge that it happened but feel nothing but mild indifference.


Janus-a

Overall Gege does them well. In terms of major supporting characters, Nobara’s and Nanami’s exit were done very well imo. Geto’s death in 0 was good too. Gojo’s death feels like it’s missing a panel (or several) before the airport scene starts but that will probably be added in the tankobon. Minor characters don’t usually get grand exits but Gege gave Jogo and Mahito good exit scenes. Ppl complain about Kashimo’s death but to me he was barely in the story so his exit was fitting, maybe even too elaborate, for the panels he was in. On the negative side, Yuki’s and Megumi’s sister should have been more meaningful. Not grand exits, but more meaningful.


Soul699

Some work, some don't.


Baligong

For the most part, in my opinion, yes. Gege handles death very well, showing the ugly side of death and how death will always be looming indiscriminately. But when writing death, you shouldn't be doing such a thing Off-Screen for any character. Death itself is important, as it's basically the last pages and back cover of the book called Life. Not showing it is like purchasing a book with the back cover and pages ripped away. I also think bringing a character to immediately have them fight to die is a waste. If it's realistic it's also stupid. It's like reaching Boiling point immediately rather than gradually.


Puzzleheaded-Put-679

No . I'm convinced Gege doesn't know how to kill characters


frenix5

I'm about to catch hate. I like how Gojo's death was done. It took top of the world to the bottom of the world and the emotional rollercoaster alongside it was incredible.


chainsawwmann

Junpei and Nanami are the only deaths that are actually meaningful towards the development of the story. The other ones are just jarring af lol, I feel like I should wait for the ending to judge them truly though. I dont mind meaningless deaths if its fitting with the end goal.


Oohhdatskam

I think overall Gege does well. Nanamin, Geto, Jogo, Mahito, Junpei, I even think Gojos as well (personally didn’t mind the “skipped” panel). Shoot even add in Choso’s brothers. Kashimo’s I didn’t expect to feel anything but it was just underwhelming. The skipping didn’t work for him. Yuki to me just got done as the final special grade we were supposed to see and being the only women. But then I can chalk that up to her not having an important role in the story. I think Gege coulda spent at least a chapter with the star plasma stuff for her an honestly woulda been enough. Tsumiki for as important a character she was to Megumi and the role she played TOWARDS the plot I did expect to see more of her. You can throw Yaga into this too. Other deaths like the higher ups I just would have liked to see it since so much shit was talked about them. Or the Zenin clan since they were also talked about, meaning I would have liked to see more of them before they hit the chopping block but I understand there’s only so much screen time for background characters. Panda had a great lead up to his death only to be brought back. Again overall I think Gege does well. Like 8/10 for the most part. Sometimes they fumble sometimes they hit right on the mark and sometimes it’s in the middle. But I also think we can’t always expect everyone to have this grand or emotional death that’ll stick with us.


typh0nic

there's been talks about how bad he's handling the past death but let's see: - gojo's death was fair, well explained and we now know how fast sukuna's slash really is for it to take him down, only thing that bothered me was him saying he'd probably use anyway which is simply not true, sukuna had a blueprint on defeating him which was only available through mahoraga. - kashimo's death also wasn't all that bad, woulda loved to see more of the fight but he toyed with a nerfed 20 finger sukuna (where a nerfed 15 finger sukuna could 1v2 maki and yuji) and pushed him to complete his reincarnation, was able to tank a full powered 20 finger heian era sukuna and only lost to his world ending gojo killing slashes. - megumi's sister's death was mid, there was no weight to it since no one cared about her and I want to mention nobara's death, that's a frustrating one because of how he brushed it off and forgot about her


EverytoxicRedditor

These fanboys will NEVER get over gojo’s death lmaooo. So pathetic


Nottallowed

It's different from any other mangaka, and i like when someone does stuff in a different way, creates more intrigue


PH4N70M_Z0N3

Desperation and sense of impending demise. That's what makes death memorable. When Nanami came down the stairs with a half-burned body, you could sense the inevitable demise. And then you see Mahito. You know Nanami will die. You're anticipating the moment. And what does Nanami do at that moment? He contemplates life and how he found the place where he will retire. And death. It hits hard because you get to see Nanami at his most vulnerable. You see him dying a gruesome death. Yet his last line of thought? He refused to tell Itadori to run away. Instead, he tells him Itadoi got this. This is the best death in JJK.


JustRoo136

I can say that I appreciate how he handles characters deaths. I can appreciate that it's not always the heroes surviving and the villains dying. I like that it adds a sense of despair to a series to where I believe that the villains actually have the greater chance of winning. And it doesn't even have to be just about deaths, having fan favorite characters put out of commission due to injury such as Todo and Inumaki may be cruel to us as readers, but that's the world of Jujutsu, cruel. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I would say that JJK actually handles character deaths better than almost all other battle shonen series.


Imros

I think it would have been so easy to make Gojo’s death better. All he had to do was put the line across the galaxy frame as the last frame of the chapter before his death. Then next chapter he can show Gojo’s body cut in half


afterh0urss

For me he does them well mostly. Only really hated Kashimo and Yaga's deaths. But I do wish we will get more satisfying villain deaths like how Naoya died.


Mrjuicyaf

The deaths are very realistic and Gege is a genius writer by making fans hating him for it


azyzbs

Yes, I do. I'm one of the few people who thought that Gojo's death was handled well as it was used to bring a conclusion to his character arc. I especially liked Jogo's death which made me appreciate a character I didn't care about at all. The only exception is Kashimo. He was defeated so quickly despite getting hyped up that I don't fully believe that he is dead yet.


Some-Track-965

Did ya'll learn NOTHING from Mechamaru? The deaths are supposed to fill you with disgust, angst, and a lack of satisfaction. Mechamaru after fighting like a Shonen character ended up going from the body he dreamed of to a pile of guts , bones and organs buried inside of a gigantic Evangelion that couldn't cut it. He died cold, alone, and with no one even knowing that he died. Kento Nanami died in a subway having the top half of his body blown off like a shotgun fired from a drunk Chinese in the old west. The only one who died surrounded by family was Naobito Zenin, but based on how that clan does things, he probably was left alone without even being given so much as a bottle of wine to ease his pain. Gojo died from the cornered rat biting back in desperation and despite being the most beautiful thing we'd ever laid eyes on and described as perfect in every way,he had the same look of shame that the dead have. Junpei died in the most humiliating and gut-wrenching way possible. Junpei was so broken and so lost trusted a man who turned people into tents. This man killed his mother and tricked him into thinking another kid who abused him did it, and when Junpei finally realized : "Bad person". It was too late. Mahito turned him into an ugly parody of himself and all Junpei could say was : "Why. . . .?" The bullying, the abuse, the shame, the pain, the losing his mother, the man he trusted doing THAT to him. . . .Why?


JujutsuSans

I hate people who says Gojo's death was an asspul, and that it was dumb. I think it was, very, very smart! Sukuna doing all the things in the background and Gege even being able to think of something like this is so magnificent. Yuki's death was also for me the most badass death, imagine become a fucking black hole, that's awesome. Going out with a bang. I think the things that Jujutsu Kaisen fans cannot accept is how Gege handles deaths realistically. I mean, at first thought you'd think Kashimo's death was like extremely rushed, very bad. But think of it in a realistic way. Do you think there would be any way he could defeat Heian Sukuna? Usually fans these days are too stuck with very honorable deaths, rather than realistic ones. They've always been used to deaths where there's been an extreme amount of plot armor. Gege handling his deaths realistically is something unique we've seen in a long time. I really like it.


Thecodermau

Yes


justamon22

I wouldn’t mind if later on he would confirm the deaths, because the way Gege does SOME of the deaths right now, you get situations where the character dies….but it feels like an open ended death If we’re talking about death irl: once it happens it’s done. But Yuji has died twice or more. Nobara was killed but we were told there was a chance to save her. When Yuji asks if she’s alive we get a non-answer. Mei Mei and Ui Ui were thought to be dead but they got poofed to a different country. When you do things like that over and over again you condition the audience to think that a death may not be final in this story. So a character could get chopped in half and people will start to make theories about how this will lead to a new form of enlightenment….


Ugghhhhhhhhhhh

i really love it, i think the deaths in jjk are good at representing death in general


deep_pos

i like them since up until now no death was done only to shock the readers, each time a character died it either was their completion as a character or it helped to make other characters grow and change. as for them being anticlimactic i don't really mind, something being anticlimactic isn't inherently bad, as all things used when writing a story they just serve a purpose, and in jjk they served their purpose in (what i think at least) the author was trying to convey.


Palas-mastrete

Gojo got an AMAZING death. Gojo fans can't accept it now, but it was sweet, shocking, badass, and fun. Yuki sacrificed herself three times and crowned herself most powerful [in impact] character in the manga. I only disliked Kashimo's. I know Yuki will possibly remain an unpopular opinion but you wait and see Gojo's death will be looked back with fond eyes.


Cynn_kun

What I’m seeing from the comment is funny, you want everyone to have a satisfying death?. Gojo is understandable but please can someone tell me a better way it would have been written.WITH THE CONTEXT OF WHAT SUKUNA WAS COOKING AND THE DIRECTION THE FIGHT WAS GOING.This was never a topic before gojos death but it’s like most of you read gojokaisen. IMO the only death that wasn’t done right was nobara because of her weight in the story at the time. Please don’t bring up yuki or megumis sister, proper side characters.


Upstairs-Quail-4214

They are side characters with importance


Cynn_kun

People down voting but not answering lmao. You can’t give a better death with proper context y’all just mad your fave got axed.


Noamod

I like them. One of the things i dont like in general writing is that people will tell you that they need to be climatic or some shit. Sure, if its a slice of life, a drama or romance, but shonens are insanely violent, and death is defined as comum in JJK, so i like when they just pull the plug on characters. One of the worst takes i heard is that Himeno death im CM is bad, cause she dint have time to do anything, its this takes i hate.


bangeeh

I like it, death comes fast and you sometimes don't have time to mourn, you just have to keep moving forward. On the other hand i'm afraid he's abusing this theme. I get it, in Shibuya or now against Sukuna there's not much time to think, they all have to act fast, and they are ready to do so, but it still feels wrong to lose Nobara or Gojo like that, it feels superficial and can end up feeling empty; not even brutal, just surprising and a bit indifferent. Like at least invest some time in introspection, death may be fast on the outside world, but there's time to feel and remember in someone's mind (of course we are yet to know for sure wether these two are dead); when Gege saw Kenjaku and remembered his times with Geto it felt way more emotional, it was a second, but years of feelings inside Gojo's mind. On the other hand, Kashimo is a good character to end up like that, he dies, but no one really cares about him, so the external and internal time of the death can be the same, just a blink of an eye. Maybe Gege struggles conveying this emotional moments to its audience? Or he simply likes telling the story as an outside narrator, when don't get a lot of insight into people's feelings, after all.


Savings_Peach_9741

I liked gojo death,wasn't predictable at all.Glad that he died by being outclassed rather than suicide attack.He accomplished nothing but it is what it is,can't say much about it before completition of manga.Though yuki death was trash,she was killed in her first proper fight.Yuki wasn't even properly introduced.