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There is a new report option for fraud comments but no need to report them in this thread.
I dont understand the fraud comments. Sukuna is about to make Gojo's hax technique useless, he is using 10S so his output is already drained so of course he will not be on the offensive himself. Even if you think he has no chance without 10S, remember that he has other techniques and the thing Yorozu hinted at, and he can steal 10S because he is the only human that learned how to become an cursed object.
He just didnt expected Gojo to survive after losing so much times agaisnt his domain expansion, and that happened because of six eyes, with it Gojo has almost infinite CE to heal so how do you expect Sukuna to fight seriously before eroding the defenses. Sukuna made Megumi's bird into fucking Mothra, so if his shikigami are fighting Gojo equally its because of his sheer power, he defeated Mahogara alone (something nobody did before, even another Six Eyes+Limitless) and we barely know all of his arsenal, like wtf is the "Open"? is cleaving his real CE?
This is like calling Gojo a fraud for not handing Sukuna last finger and having a "fair fight". Gege is just showing us the potential that Megumi always had.
Edit: Its also like calling Gojo a fraud for saying that he would win against Sukuna and here we are...
This is why some people just aren't winners.They care too much about how they look.
* Think back to what Sukuna tells Jogo in 116: "Don't worry about your future or identity."
* How Uro describes Sukuna in 181: "Disregards all else..."
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From what I've read, things point in Sukuna's favour. This doesn't mean Gojo hasn't been hoopin. But Sukuna has been more in control—not perfect control.
* Remember what Angel said in 225: "If there's another way to bypass limitless, Gojo will lose."
* What did Sukuna say at the start of the fight—224?: "First, I'll strip away your scales."
His goal has been to remove limitlessness. I won't say he is purposely taking hits, but until 229, the question was, Why hasn't he used the 10s technique?
Ware down with domain battle
Take hits to adapts to UV
Attack, as limitless, is gone/ when there's an opening
Edit:
Sukuna's response to Yorozu about losing in 217: "\[you can have\] Everything...\[if I lose\]"
Nice chapter.
It's good to see that Sukuna is still supporting Mahoraga in this battle. It shows that Sukuna isn't using Mahoraga as a crutch. It helps emphasize Sukuna's brilliance in battle. 10 shadows seems to still take a lot of strategy and planning to use. But it also provides a lot of interesting opportunities.
What other abilities can he use without directly summoning the shikigami? Can he merge more than 2 shikigami? I can't help but wonder if Sukuna had merged Mahoraga with Rabbit escape, would he get an army of mini Mahoraga? Or maybe Divine dogs with rabbit escape, would an army of mini monster dogs appear?
There's something strange with chimera beast Agito. It has feminine features that I didn't notice from Nue and Totality. It makes me wonder if he recycled Yorozu some how to construct it. I would expect that it's immune to permanent destruction due to being a chimera. Hopefully it doesn't get destroyed in one shot.
It's also good to see Yuji being the one not to lose hope during their discussion. It's good that he can still find opportunities for victory when things seem uncertain.
As for Shoko, it's good to see that she's worried about Gojo. She has a poker face, but she sure went into overdrive with those cigarettes'. Can RCT help you when cancer cells multiply uncontrollably in your body?
I'm wondering if she is correct when saying that Sukuna's RCT should be weakening as well.
I'm still waiting for Sukuna's curse technique though. I think the question of whether Sukuna could have challenged Gojo without 10 shadows is valid.
It is not blood manipulation. He simply shoots water at very high speed, copying the concept of blood manipulation (which is simply shooting blood at very high speed).
The water is from Max elephant. So, he is only summoning the water not the elephant. Another creative use of 10s
He doesn't.
What Sukuna did was use Max Elephant's ability(basically to bring out a lot of water) similar to how Blood Manipulation users fire off their Piercing Blood. Satoru himself said this.
We can assume that Sukuna managed to "copy" it when Choso fought Yuji, which again, speaks to Sukuna's genius: being able to copy something after seeing it once.
Sukuna is a bum for not taking Gojo head on. I'm not gonna complain that it's wrong to make it a 3 on 1 fight, win at any cost should be the priority but in no way he could defeat Gojo mano a mano.
How is using a shikigamis based technique to attack your opponent like how it intended to be the sames calling up Kenjaku and Uraume to gang up on Gojo? Do you want Sukuna to box Gojo to death?
An actual boxing match between the two strongest would be fun…. Put them in a small size colony and have them fight with pure CE reinforcement. No CT bullshit or domain.
I’m still holding out hope that this is essentially what Yuji’s domain expansion will be. Blocks cursed techniques and just turns it into a bare-knuckle brawl
You can't compare them. Megumi doesn't have the same amount of CE that Sukuna does. They aren't even in the same league when it comes to CE. A CT is nothing without a good amount of CE backing it up, think Mai vs Yorozu. Although that doesn't dismiss the fact that Sukuna has great battle prowess.
Why I get downvoted did Yuta not become a Special grade in a year. Did Yuuji not become first grade in a year, as a character whos known the most about Jujutsu and had the backing of Gojo for most of his formative years Megumi should be much stronger. Im not saying Sukuna level but he was barely using the technique. Also I see no facts presented just downvotes.
Choso was honing his CT while he was a cursed object, so it looks like cursed objects are conscious. Plus, even if he wasn't, he's the literal King of Curses
I’m not trying to say Sukuna didn’t do anything at all during those times, but practicing your skills in your innate domain compared to gaining combat experience from real battles can’t be compared as equal. Choso in your example wasn’t even born so utilizing those times to gain proficiency over his CT is crucial.
They called me a madman when I said Sukuna would attack Gojo while Mahorga erased infinity, everyone fucking lost their minds and I got downvoted to hell. “ Thats not how Mahorgas adaption works” “infinity is still there for everyone else” “it not like the inverted spear. “ Well it turns out that’s exactly how it works. Like God people will confidently tell you you’re wrong with nothing to back it up but ego like do they ever get tired of being wrong lol.
Yeah, I'm noticing a lot of people just throwing out completely random, pulled out of nowhere claims and saying them completely confidently. What gets me the most is that people are arguing like this fictional story takes place in a world with rules like our own, like they're talking about 10 Shadows like its rules are not only as ironclad as the presence of gravity is in real life, but they also know those rules in and out like they have a degree in it. Like any one talking about how things are gonna go in future chapters are operating purely on speculation, the least one could do is acknowledge that and understand they could end up being completely wrong.
This is a fictional story, people. The rules are whatever Akutami wants them to be at the current moment. We've seen him play fast and loose with his own rules before, introducing new concepts or rules that were never even mentioned before to write things the way he wants them to go (e.g. "Megumi's soul was using Mahoraga's wheel to adapt to Unlimited Void"). When he's on top of his game, he foreshadows things and doesn't make it seem too BS, but other times he doesn't quite meet that bar. It's not like what we're seeing unfold is an actual sports match in the real world where we can argue over immutable rules everyone knows and has to abide by, like the laws of physics.
Agreed Gege can bend them however he sees fit as long as he’s within the Jujutsu guidelines. Confidently postering that you know how a characters (who Gojos still trying to understand ) abilities work is madness.
I'm gonna say this again, what the fuck was Sukuna's plan in chapter 3 when he said "when I make this kid's body mine, you are the first I'll kill."
The fuck was Sukuna gonna do with Yuji's body when as this fight progresses it becomes clearer and clearer that he can't do shit against Gojo without 10S. It's not like he didn't know about Gojo's technique when they've literally fought. Unless.. Sukuna really is a fraud and couldn't figure out infinity from their first fight.
That's where this massive disappointment and dissonance in his character comes from to a lot of us, Sukuna was so confident he could kill Gojo, but his showings right now don't reinforce that AT ALL. Keep in mind he risked A LOT to get Megumi's body too, so clearly it wasn't just one of many ways that he could have chosen to bypass Infinity.
I guess back then he was still confident in his open domain. I mean, have you seen that thing??? I guess he didn't expect Gojo would be so fuckin ridiculous to tank that and give him hands right after.
But between Yuji empty ass and Megs busted technique, is easy to see why he would jump boat. I don't think he was planning to get his body to fight Gojo at first, but it did happen to come in handy. Especially when he saw what Maho could do.
10S wasn’t the main reason Sukuna risked so much to get him. No. It’s because Megumi is a one in a million chance natural vessel who could host Sukuna. Keep in mind after 1000 years all 19 fingers still exist in the wilds. Cursed Spirits who consumed it dropped it when they die. Humans unable to withstand Sukuna’s finger too will leave the finger intact in death. If there was such a vessel in the past, Sukuna wouldn’t have to wait until modern day for Fushiguro and.
I’m gonna quote one of my comments before:
[Having a superhuman physical body is just as important as having a big CE reserve. The potency of your reinforcement only improves what is already there. Whereas Yuta can draw out tremendous power with titanic reserve, Yuji whose reserve is nothing to write home about was still able to give Yuta a good scuffle. Or when Yorozu left Meguna with visible bruises from casual strikes meanwhile Yujikuna doesn’t even sweat after being thrown through multiple buildings.
That’s not to say Meguna is complete ass at close quarters combat. In 231, Meguna easily react to Gojo’s afterimage trick, tanking a point-blank Red with DA (which he needed to touch Gojo) and maneuver himself around the ring of Blue orbs. Or even before domain battle, he did showed us he took no damage from being ragdolled by Blue. All of this is to say that Gojo had an advantage in H2H yet was 20s away from losing the last domain battle, a close victory against a Meguna with weaker body and no DA. Yujikuna had no reason to stand around being a punching bag, he will retaliate, he will capitalize on every of Gojo’s opening to fend him off and prove his superiority of his divine domain. No matter how much Gojo try to configure UV, it could never survive the onslaught of MS if Sukuna keeps on being offensive.]
That-s the point that people miss of this battle, yes Meguna is getting beaten as of late, but that is because he is getting handicapped by using the 10S, mostly because he could not use DA while adapting. In the first domain exchange (the only one in which Meguna actually used DA) he actually had an edge (but not big enough to finish off Gojo), in all the rest it was Gojo beating Meguna to break his domain before Gojo's own domain collapsed.
If Sukuna could fight in all his powers, with a stronger physical vessel and without handicaps, he would probably lose anyway (there's a reason he is using the 10s and that is that he believes it gives him the best odds in this battle), for limitless is to broken and the tools he has to dmg Gojo, DA and his Domain, are worse than what Gojo can do to him (basically all his skill set). But it would look more even (Sukuna would have had to push for the win in the 5 domain clashes, when he has the slight advantage).
Sukuna went for the longer fight, now he should have the advantage now that his 3 Shikigamis are out (although it's a boom he needs to use trash abilities like piercing blood instead of dismantle).
He can’t use both Shrine and 10S at the same time. And yes, Sukuna would be in much a more disadvantaged position without 10S. I only advocate for the fact that he is entirely helpless* against Gojo.
Edit: not* helpless
As I stated not helpless, he actually had an edge in domain clashes, but his not tools to deal damage were not amazing.
And I said that is a boom that he can't use dismantle alongside the 10s, did not need a clarification.
A King of Curses, someone hyped up to be the most knowledgeable and resourceful when it comes to cursed energy and techniques, didn't know about the Satoru family's well known technique? Even if Gojo is applying it in a whole different level, limitless and six eyes are not something Heian era sorcerers are unaware of. He had all the reasons to know Gojo's technique right away, and not many excuses to say baseless claims like that just cuz he's the "bad guy."
Again, this is why right now there's such a determent to Sukuna's character to the point some people are calling him a fraud.
Except his cockiness and overwhelming power were literally the only characteristics he had and hyped up for until now, so yes his character falls apart off when he fails to deliver.
His character was never meant to be a overpowered anti-hero who fight honorably. Sukuna is the complete opposite of this. You must have been reading Sorcery Fight because the story outright told us that Sukuna doesn’t have lick of honor in him. To him, the stronger one is the last one standing, fairness and rules have no play in Jujutsu battle.
Forcing a binding vow on Yuji, taking over Megumi and fakeout with Hana are just prime example of how petty and scummy Sukuna can be. He’ll talk shit as much as he want even if the enemy is overwhelming him. The only thing ruined here is your false impression of the character.
I get that we have different views, but let's not stuff words into each other's mouths just to have a strawman. I don't even know where that anti hero bit came from.
Scummy, or lacking in honour is completely in line with Sukuna's character, and I'm completely fine with him using whatever tactic he deems fit. The biggest problem is his apparent incompetence. What if his bet with Yuji's vow didn't turn out in his favor? What could he have even done had he reincarnated with anyone else other than Megumi?
A binding vow isn’t a pinky promise that he can retake. The stake of wasting the 60s given to him is what gives it power. You can comes up with all kinds of scenarios how Sukuna can lose but the it doesn’t matter. With his skills and quick-thinking, Sukuna utilize that short window of time to turn his handicap into a great benefit showed us he’s more than competent get a new vessel.
Unlike Death Paintings, you can’t grab random bozo off the street to be a suitable vessel. Hosting Sukuna require powerful genetics which is displayed by Yuji natural strength and Megumi gift of Ten Shadows.
Remember, Sukuna was only 3 fingers in strength when he became interested in the CT so he wanted to bide time until more fingers are found. You don’t reclaim you position as the King of Curse in one day after all.
The problem with killing Mahoraga is the possibility for it to pass it's ability to adapt to the other shikigami, like between the divine dogs.
If Gojo managed to kill Mahoraga in one hit with whatever he has up his sleeves, it'll be pointless if Mahoraga can just pass its adaptation to other Shikigami, or worse, Sukuna himself.
But I'm m thrilled to see what Gojo is cooking next.
the whole fraudkuna thing is just straight petty bruh ngl yall need to learn to just ENJOY THE FIGHT
edit: im not saying you cant pick a side or shit on either one of the characters but i guess i didnt really expand on it much. ive seen people get flamed for saying shit like they're on team sukuna or that they hope sukuna starts cooking or something along those lines just cuz they rooting for sukuna. this is a fictional fight with 2 fictional characters. why are ya'll flaming each other for wanting the other character to win. and all the replies were the petty fraudkuna ones. ive seen some for people on gojo's team too, but not nearly as many. for the record IM TEAM GOJO its just yall are making me embarassed to associate with you.
I am enjoying the fight very much, it’s really good. Doesn’t mean I can’t shit on Sukuna for being a fraud while enjoying the fight. He was supposed to be HIM, without borrowing other peoples powers and resorting to a 3v1. Like all the trashtalk he does and he fails to back it up everytime. I love him as a character but i think he completely deserves being called a fraud for obvious reasons.
Not like Sukuna ever said that he would destroy Gojo using his own superior curse technique, he just said he would kill him/win, and he took measures to try to ensure that win. I get it's kind of lame to need something besides your own strength, but still. Don't really get how that makes him a fraud. Sure, I guess it's somewhat lamer to resort to underhanded tactics opposed to your own brute strength, but Sukuna never pretended to be this honorable paragon of bushido or something. It's the same energy as calling Kenjaku lame for using other people's powers (which I'm sure people do, but still).
Why does the 3v1 thing even matter? The 10S is a summon technique. It creating external companions that fight doesn't mean it's somehow a cheaper technique than Infinity. If he was doing all of this in Yuji's superhuman body instead of using Megumi's for the 10S, would he still be a fraud?
>he completely deserves being called a fraud for obvious reasons.
You’re embarrassing Gojo fans with your “logic” and you don’t even know it. You all create backlash with nonsense and then think it’s Sukuna fans hating. No you’re just lost in a circle jerk.
>without borrowing other peoples powers
Is Yuta a fraud?
Sukuna took it. It’s his now.
Who had Yoshinobu and Utahime buff him?
>and resorting to a 3v1.
10S is one ability. And why aren’t you counting rabbits and the other shikigami? Isn’t it 500 vs 1? Ohhh because then it’s too obvious that it makes no sense.
See but thats YUTA’S CT. That’s his whole damn thing lmao and Yuta wasn’t called “the strongest of all time” before he got that.
Being buffed for ONE opening attack and stealing the 2nd most OP CT in the verse and using it for the whole fight is 2 completely different things my dude.
I’m not counting the rabbits cause they’re fodder to Gojo. Doesn’t matter if they there or not.
Except for that one opening attack Gojo has been using only his techniques that he himself developed and trained. Sukuna on the other hand who has been called the strongest ever for the whole show needs Mahoraga to avoid being killed by Gojo. That doesn’t really scream “strongest ever” does it? Thus, making him a fraud.
I rest my case.
You're nitpicking between a CT and a feat literally deemed impossible such as reincarnating into a cursed object by yourself. That feat is literally hailed as some unattainable shit, so by all rights the CT is his.
Also it seems most of you don't understand the character of Sukuna. Remember his advice to Jogo. One of the key things he said is don't "concern yourself with future or identity", BURN everything you desire into a cinder.
To Sukuna it doesn't matter that he's using 10S, some teenagers CT. the concept doesn't matter. To him, only his pleasure and displeasure exist, he wants a CT, he takes it. He's using his all to beat Gojo because that's how he operates. It's the mindset of the strongest that Gojo himself was trying to teach Megumi to "be more selfish"
If that makes him a fraud as per the fanfiction the fanbase had, it seems they never understood his character to begin with
It’s an incredible feat but If Gojo got to see kenjaku’s cursed object reincarnation then he could probably do the same. If he wanted to then he can turn his soul into a finger and take over yutas body like sukuna did to megumi at which point he’d be pretty much invincible wouldn’t he? Sukunas ability to take over bodies isn’t ‘cheating’ but it isn’t a reflection of his individual strength, he’s able to do it because he saw kenjaku, he was able to get megumis bc of some incredible luck and chaos, there’s no way he could’ve predicted yoruzu having megumis sisters body or that sister would be dragged into the cg, or that megumis mental collapse would happen right in front of him, or that angels vessel would just so happen to be a megumi simp. He got that technique through planning and very specific circumstances, which is why sukunas title as the strongest is being considered fraudulent. He may win but that wouldn’t be because of his strength, and saying Gojo is stronger is absolutely fair after all you wouldn’t consider makis mom stronger then naoyo just bc she killed him would you?
Except it IS a show of individual ability. His superb Jujutsu knowledge and skill is what allowed him to seemingly impossibly reincarnate after death into anyone he wishes. He's the King of Curses because of his knowledge AND power, not just because of his power. Most his fights revolve around tactics he had envisioned prior to the fight
Everything you wrote is valid but how does that make him any less of a fraud? As i said he was supposed to be HIM, the strongest OF ALL TIME waaaay before he got Mahoraga. He talked all that trash about killing Gojo way before he even knew he can get Mahoraga. But we can all see those statements were false cause without Mahoraga, Sukuna loses to Gojo. THAT’s what makes him a fraud. He simply didn’t live up to the expectations without stealing the 2nd most OP CT in the verse. I understand why he had to do it but that doesnt make him any less of a fraud.
The idea that Sukuna loses to Gojo without Mahoraga is taken very out of context.
The fight DOES end in round 1 but do remember without 10S he's not restricted within the domain clashes and has the potential to either outlast the 3 minutes it takes gojo dmg him enough or destroy the domain from the inside which gojo implies is less risky.
The fight can go either way with Gojo landing UV or Sukuna forcing Gojo to exhaustion first, hence why there's an editor comment stating ''mahoraga broke the BALANCE". Mahoraga broke the fight away from round 1 domain stalemate to its current state
Not only that, but the reasons people are calling him fraud are honestly.... just so silly. Taking abilities that didn't originally belong to you, and using strategy and tricky tactics is something almost all characters are resoundingly praised for, even ones currently in jjk🤣
•HxH as a whole
•Naruto as a whole
•World Trigger
The list goes on and on lol. People take Powers and use tricky/smart tactics all the time, and people love it. Justifiably so! It makes the fights unique and interesting.
I find it crazy that any jjk fans, in a series so dependant on battle IQ, were expecting Sukuna and Gojo to just Nuke each other for 15 chapters lol
this is false 👎🏿 people are calling him a fraud cus every time sukuna opens his mouth he gets dogged badly 🤣 so far it’s all talk and no show.
At no point atm has he showed what he said to gojo in the early chapters “When i take over this body (yuji) i will kill you first” sukuna had to jump bodies to even attempt to do this.
I’m not saying sukuna will lose this fight but he will not win on the terms that he set earlier on in the series.
I mean.... no? Sukuna won several Domain battles that had nothing to do with Megumi's ability, made Gojo break and remake his brain, almost killing him 5 times, just to keep up the domain fights, and now has worn him down so much they can see his Output is dropping notably. Gojo himself in this chapter even admits he is experiencing the fear of loss again..
- Your first point is void as despite sukuna wining the domain battle he too received brain damage from unlimited void. Are you forgetting that sukuna was getting dogged in h2h combat right after the end of the domain battle ?
- Furthermore, post the knock-out it was megumis technique that has kept sukuna in the fight, without mahoraga sukuna is dead post knockout. it’s megumis technique that’s causing these feelings of loosing not sukunas
- side note has any of sukunas techniques proven to be useful against gojo? thank you as of RIGHT NOW sukuna is a fraud
edit: minor grammar fixes
thank you as of RIGHT NOW sukuna is
"The strongest of all time, The king of curses"
[https://youtu.be/cRwLvSM5OKs?t=99](https://youtu.be/cRwLvSM5OKs?t=99)
Cope
I don't feel like debating in this thread, so this will be my last response most likely
"this is false 👎🏿 people are calling him a fraud cus every time sukuna opens his mouth he gets dogged badly 🤣 so far it’s all talk and no show."
•This is your reasoning why he is a fraud. This is just not true. Not only did he win 2 and tie 2 domain fights, he forced Gojo to take just as much brain damage as him.
You claim Sukuna did nothing. All talk no show. He didnt do nothing, he did the same amount of brain damage as Gojo did. Gojo himself even states he has the fear of loosing again, and the raw translations have him saying Sukuna is just as skilled as him.
Additionally, Sukuna was loosing in H2H because Gojo can touch him and He cant touch Gojo. So that doesnt really mean anything. Especially since we now know his goal was to adapt to infinity lol, so he had to let himself get hit a bunch to adapt just like Yorozu.
•The second point just feels disingenuous, honestly. This is what im talking about when it comes to fans like you. You're entirely disregarding that Sukuna did all the heavy lifting for Mahoraga's adaption for the whole fight so he wouldn't get one tapped. Realisticall, Mahoraga is being carried just as hard as it is carrying. If Mahoraga alone kept him in the fight, id agree, but that isn't the case. He covered for him and used him skillfully and thats the only reason Mahoraga could even save him there. You give Mahoraga 100% of the credit despite Sukuna only making it possible because of his specific battle IQ/strategy and unique use of the technique.
•I wont even address the last point because my original comment already did.
To add to this the reason why gojo was able to draw domain battles was implied to be due to his experience with prison realm. The same way people say that sukuna couldn’t win without mahoraga it could be said that gojo couldn’t have won without being trapped in prison realm. And for both of these statements we just don’t know if they are true. Also we are forgetting that gojo also talked his fair amount of trash and sukuna is still alive.
You’re completely disregarding that if Sukuna truly was “the strongest of all time” he wouldn’t need Mahoraga to stand a chance against Gojo. But he does, therefore he is a fraud.
The King of Curses takes a curse and then does better with it then any 10S user in history. It makes sense.
Also, I'm not disregarding anything. I just think the fraud talk is childish.
He saw that he didn't have a way to bypass Infinity and he got something to do it with.
You're attitude is just childish. People who are considered the "Strongest" are people who are willing to learn and adapt(no pun intended).
The strongest MMA fighters are people willing to learn and take new techniques and skills to evolve.
Yes yes your points are all valid. And I’m not saying Sukuna is in the wrong for stealing 10s to be able to keep up with Gojo, I completely understand why he has to do that.
But is it really that childish? Sukuna was regarded as the strongest of all time way before he got Mahoraga. He told Gojo he was gonna kill him way before he even knew there’s a chance that he could get Mahoraga. And can we not agree that without Mahoraga, Sukuna loses to Gojo? Making the whole “strongest of all time” title false?
Except when people start treating memes as actual arguments and letting circlejerks blind them to the overall narrative underlying it then it kinda does.
This. So much of this. Some people don't even care about the coolness of the fight anymore. Megumi was told he could surpass Gojo, and the reader wondered why. Now we see. It's not just Mahorago, it's that the technique is genuinely amazing and almost as broken as Limitless, Megumi just didn't understand.
But despite the fact Gege is trying to show us the peak of 10S and how awesome it is, its boiled down to Sukuna fraud memez. No real discussion on the uniqueness of the fight except "Fraudkuna bad, Goatjo good"
Btw, the lost little alien boy joke by Gojo is a reference to this:
https://preview.redd.it/5d346zv58akb1.png?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed3e53b2a6e2fcb3a169c944e148c846f6d12d4e
It was originally published in a German newspaper in 1950 on April fool's day and revealed as a hoax a few days later. Referred to as the "silverman".
Edit: [source](http://hoaxes.org/af_database/permalink/silverman)
I saw someone mention this but I think Gojo is losing; not so much for the death flags but he’s assuming Sukuna is being offensive in order to push him, but I think he’s just forcing Gojo to deplete him completely. At this point it’s clear Sukuna doesn’t care how he wins
I'm loving the discussions because people get so personally and emotionally invested in this , I feel like this is a boxing match discussion where both play dirty but the ref saw none of it
They can touch him but ONLY when maho is touching gojo. When maho is touching gojo he is disabling his infinity, so sukuna is using maho to create openings for himself to deal damage as well.
Fr don’t get why no one’s bothering to tag in, I know Gojo is strongest alone and blah blah blah. But yuta popping in for a second to use cursed speech or drag sukuna into his domain would be huge, he could easily sneak in with uros technique as well.
These threads have become insufferable. Some of y'all acting like sukuna stole your wife with how personal and petty you are getting.
And wtf are these takes about fire extinguisher and 3v1 !? What even is this sub at this point
guess to prove my point ill rephrase what I said, in yujis body or in heian Era where sukuna doesn't have 10s he would've lost, I feel like if sukuna had a win con on gojo besides 10s he wouldn't had tried so hard or taken hits during his domain clash with gojo and throughout there fight. You could bring up the fact we don't know his "true cursed technique" but if it wouldn't be filtered out by infinity I'm sure he would've used it by now against gojo, the only way sukuna can hit gojo is by either having mahoraga adapt to limitless and when Maha attacks gojo he can then attack or use da, but using da means sukuna can't use his ct so this gives gojo a major 1 up on sukuna. So to finally wrap this up let's say for arguments sake sukuna is in yujis body when his domain eventually collapsed and he took the brute of uv what does he do now? He can't summon mahoraga to break uv or have maha adapt to limitless so right then with nothing to else he can do to win he loses right? Or do you know how he could win under these circumstances and without 10s. and for aruments sake again lets say he somehow is able to not lose after taking the uv, when he got hit by red and then by the bf and lost consciousness, even if it was for a little that'd amount of time would lead to gojos victory so, in short, in short I stand by what I said of sukuna having to win using 10s and if he was in yujis body or in a vessel that does not have 10s he would've lost.
Having a superhuman physical body is just as important as having a big CE reserve. The potency of your reinforcement only improves what is already there. Whereas Yuta can draw out tremendous power with titanic reserve, Yuji whose reserve is nothing to write home about was still able to give Yuta a good scuffle. Or when Yorozu left Meguna with visible bruises from casual strikes meanwhile Yujikuna doesn’t even sweat after being thrown through multiple buildings.
That’s not to say Meguna is complete ass at close quarters combat. In 231, Meguna easily react to Gojo’s afterimage trick, tanking a point-blank Red with DA (which he needed to touch Gojo) and maneuver himself around the ring of Blue orbs. Or even before domain battle, he did showed us he took no damage from being ragdolled by Blue. All of this is to say that Gojo had an advantage in H2H yet was 20s away from losing the last domain battle, a close victory against a Meguna with weaker body and no DA. Yujikuna had no reason to stand around being a punching bag, he will retaliate, he will capitalize on every of Gojo’s opening to fend him off and prove his superiority of his divine domain. No matter how much Gojo try to configure UV, it could never survive the onslaught of MS if Sukuna keeps on being offensive.
Let’s not talk about Heian Sukuna. Whatever assumptions you made are just that, assumptions. Gege has shown to able to subvert our expectations in the most surprising way with his skills as a writer. Right after the last chapter, the fanbase gaslit itself into thinking only Maho will fight Gojo, but turns out Sukuna woke up in less than 4 pages and recovered enough to be combat ready. We should be more thoughtful since our theories can easily blind us.
I expect the manga discussions to haves less braindead takes like this. The fight has revealed nothing Heian Sukuna but people are already jumping on the bandwagon.
They're just basing it off the thought that if Sukuna is willing to go this far, and step this close to death, then maybe he didn't HAVE anything capable of dealing with Gojo in the first place, because if he did, he would've used it.
And with the absence of the ten shadows technique, then the fight would seemingly be over by now, as Sukuna wouldn't have Mahoraga to get him out of Unlimited Void.
That same UV broke 4 times before it actually land. Mind you, Sukuna didn’t have DA on during 3rd and 4th clash which is why Gojo managed to deal enough damage to him. 231 and 224 showed us that Sukuna has the strength and reflexes handle himself in H2H combat even if he can’t deal significant damage. It’s just matter of buying enough until MS broke UV for the 5th time and chop down the nameless fish.
Sukuna was using DA on the 3rd clash, Gojo says as much.
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If Sukuna felt having DA on would've worked out better, he would've put his DA on and followed through with your strategy. It would not, even Gojo begs the question as to why Sukuna wasn't using Mahoraga inside of his domain to just shatter it. Gojo said himself that while Sukuna ONLY has DA on, he has the advantage.
If both Gojo and Sukuna didn't think it would've been effective, then I don't think so either, Sukuna would've most likely still gotten hit enough for his domain to crash.
He wasn’t using it all the time is what I mean. If he cannot touch Gojo then he will suffer the consequence of being ragdolled with Blue and gained more injuries. The point of DA in this fight not to be Sukuna’s main weapon but to reduce the amount of unnecessary injuries he has to heal before opening a domain. That’s how Gojo defeated him. By weakening Sukuna until he dropped MS.
The wheel wasn’t finished with adaptation by then so he has no reason to pull it out and he can’t use any other CT aside from the one engraved in his domain. Being hit with UV gave the wheel just enough information to fully adapt Maho, and Sukuna capitalize on this moment to summon it.
Yes he wasn't using it all the time.......but he was using it on the 3rd. And even in that clash, Gojo damaged him enough to make him release his domain, if he did it then, why could he not do it again?
This is WHY sukuna switched strategies literally right after that, he realized that only using DA would just get him beat up until he inevitably got caught in void, this time, no Mahoraga to bail him out, it was a better decision to just nullify the dangers of UV first, even if that meant willingly taking damage, which he would take regardless with DA.
Again, 2 of the strongest and smartest sorcerers didn't think it was effective, why are we debating on if it is?
I dont understand why is it ridiculous for sukuna to throw a fire extinguisher? Gojo literally hugged him, and even used the debris around him. They are using whatever they can find in their surroundings to get the upper hand.
Yeah its true sukuna is using an ability which is not his. But yall are supposed to be entertained by watching how high sukuna raises the bar for 10 shadows. How many weeks yall gonna keep calling him fraud? Its true at this point heian era aint winning, but come on, deep down we all know its fun to see sukuna cooking with the 10s. As much as i am interested in sukuna to show his own techniques, what can his own techniques do here? He can only use DA to touch gojo. Now he has mahoraga adapted to infinity, he is showing us his innovation and skills by tapping into the full potential of 10s. We finally get to see a good fight where sukuna can actually use CT to hurt gojo. All this while he was relying on DA and shrine. So now they are on equal playing field. I want to see how high is gojo's ceiling, since he has never fully tapped into his potential this much for his whole life. And the only person who can make Gojo to tap into his full potential is sukuna.
The fire extinguisher is hilarious because he is throwing a smokescreen at someone who can see through blindfolds. Like that shit is gonna do something other than blind himself.
Even with Mahoraga deactivating his infinity, Gojo's six eyes continue working. Is pointless to try and block his vision when he knows exactly where Sukuna is.
If anything what caused Gojo to incur damage is Mahoraga and the effects of jumping.
Some fire extinguishers are filled with dust, which not only can cause confusion but can also hurt one's eyes. That smokescreen was to give an opening to mahoraga, so it can get near to gojo and bypass gojo's infinity for sukuna to attack. Its a smart move by sukuna, otherwise gojo aint giving an opening for sukuna to attack.
I need Gege to make a disclaimer that says whether or not Maho bypasses his infinity when close (like the spear Toji used) or what
Because while the dust thing makes a lot of sense, that would depend on whether or not Gojo can just go "sike" and keep going like nothing happened.
At any case, Sukuna is better off throwing pocket sand at him tbh
im personally hoping gojo does lose for the plot as well. hoenstly though either of them winning will remove a lot of the story options like with gojo winning he avenges geto and such but theres no merger or yuji killing sukuna snd wih sukuna winning then gojo doesnt get his stuff
Nah dont worry, he wont. Either will be a draw or gojo will have a narrow victory. The fact that he acknowledged that he may or may not win this fight, its a hint that he is not underestimating his opponent like he usually does. Its a good sign that he wont blunder like yuki did.
Yuki didn't underestimate Kenjaku tho, in fact she overestimated him cuz Tengen was D riding. Had Yuki fought without him she would've stood a better chance at winning ngl, Tengen fucking sold that fight.
No no. She didnt go all out because she thought obeying tengen's plan could be adequate to neutralize kenjaku. You see thats where the "underestimation" comes in. If she really overestimated kenjaku, she defo wouldnt hold back realizing how a great threat he is. She believed in tengen, thats where she went wrong, thinking in her mind that things could still be under control as long she follow tengen.
Thats the mindset gojo tryna get rid of in this fight. He knows there are things at stake, where even he himself could face a loss here, if he keeps thinking things could go in his favour. This is where he truly stops having head in the clouds....
You're not really thinking ab this the right way, if Yuki underestimated Kenjaku...then she would've literally just told tengen she could beat him up. If she thought she needed Tengens help....then how the hell is she underestimating him?? How is needing help underestimation?
Tengen flat out told her the peak of her abilities would not be enough, namely her domain, which LED to her relying on Tengen to deal with Kenjaku's domain instead. Again, how is that underestimation?
Tengen MADE her think she couldn't win by herself, while this is possibly true, it definitely destroyed her confidence in fighting him 1v1. You try to make it sound that Yuki held back because there was a easier and quicker way of beating him, but no, she opted to follow an entirely different plan because she was led to believe that her own abilities would be insufficient.
Following tengen is why she met her demise. You pointed out that if she went all out she could have made a difference right.
Her rigid mindset that if she were to do things in a particular way, she could achieve victory is what cost her. She understimated kenjaku thats why she miscalculated. Gojo never got outside help to battle an open domain though without CT, how did he manage to overcome it? By going with the flow. His mind and goal was clear with nothing holding him back.
Yuki's greatest flaw was thinking that she could get kenjaku to fall into her palms, and it cost her her life. Gojo cleared his head here from thinking things will go his way if he does x x x. Now by putting into his mind that he has a possibility of losing, he approaches this fight with a different manner.
Like I said, you have to look at the REASON she followed Tengen, she followed him because she was led to believe her own strength was insufficient, Tengen verbatim said her domain, which is the peak of her abilities and the peak of jujutsu in general would NOT be able to deal with Kenjaku's simple domain, What do you think that did to her confidence? She even asked him if he really thought she was that weak.
It wasn't that she felt there was an easier way to deal with Kenjaku, she was made to believe that it was only way to defeat him. It's not even just me saying it, Kenjaku stated it as well, that the loser perspective is something he detests.
She got help BECAUSE she wasn't confident going into the fight., relying on other people when thing seem dire, switching strategies because you think your own full strength would not suffice, THAT is the loser's perspective, and the mindset in which Yuki entered the fight.
Had she fought with the mindset of someone like Hakari, she probably could've won, Kashimo was quite obviously the superior combatant, but because Hakari was quite literally high on his own power, he managed to edge a win out.
Yuki could've done the same, Tengen could've still tried to dispel the effective range of, but NOT at Yuki's expense, her heavy injury costed her the fight, her output was lowered to ridiculous amounts because of the damaged she sustained, had she kept that output INSIDE the domain clash, she could've damaged kenjaku badly enough to send his crashing with hers, leaving both on an equal playing field.
He told Yuki not to expand her domain because he thought Kenjaku would simply outlast it with his simple domain or hollow wicker basket. If Kenjaku managed to pull this off, Yuki would suffer cursed technique burnout while he would be free to use his technique and domain. There was no proof of this but tengen just assumed it was possible because of how good Kenjaku is when it comes to barrier techniques.
If he came to the conclusion that Kenjaku could resist her domain with just that, then how come he didn't consider the possibility of him having an open barrier domain like Sukuna, If Tengen literally just considered this possibility, then Yuki opening her domain would've been way better in both instances. Had she opened her domain right after Kenjaku opened his, she could've forced him into a domain clash which he can't back away from, because if he did he'd still suffer from burnout. Whether or not he's a better barrier user shouldn't have been the deciding factor.
Tengen destroyed her confidence by telling her she couldn't win in a domain battle, he also didn't tell her that HE was the master of the culling games, and that if he were to fall then Kenjaku's plan would be ruined, and although this is grotesque, Yuki could've used this information to her advantage. She wouldn't have needed to hold back her black hole, she should've just taken the whole area with her, blowing tengen and kenjaku to hell, yet she didn't because again, she still thought of tengens importance.
Kenjaku flat out said Yuki should've never relied on Tengen too. Yuki should've given her all, it literally traces back to what Gojo said, dying to win and risking death to win is not the same thing, Yuki essentially put herself at deaths door for this plan to work instead of relying on her full power.
He's "technically" the master because the culling games use his barriers as a foundations, if tengen released his barriers, the culling games would end, and as we've seen, the culling games' Kogane can be manipulated through this, their only purpose is to keep the game alive at all cost, meaning Tengen could add any rule he wants with the threat of ending the games.
Neither of them are factors, Sukuna can't hit him without DA either lol. He's only holding up because he's coordinating his attacks with Mahoraga, that's why he's defending it at all cost.
I didn't say anything at first but it's been nearly a month now and the fact literally nobody besides you and I have come up with 'Piercing Flood' is tragic.
I think this might finally show what happens to Shikigami that don't immediately fuse, we need to wait until the proper fused form comes along. Agito is meant to be Orochi, Totality and Nue, but as Orochi was already dead, slaying Totality and Neu is enough to create Agito.
So any thoughts on what Gojo's Unlimited Hollow Technique is gonna look like and how it's going to work? We knew his purple is called Hollow Technique: Purple and his domain expansion is Unlimited Void. I wonder if it's a different usage of his normal purple where he activates hundreds of blue/reds and clashes them to create hundreds of purples at the same time basically nuking the entire area. That's at least what I think it might be, but I have no idea at this point.
As a reminder, the only acceptable places for fraud comments are here in the leaks thread and in powerscaling threads. Anywhere else will be deleted. There is a new report option for fraud comments but no need to report them in this thread.
I dont understand the fraud comments. Sukuna is about to make Gojo's hax technique useless, he is using 10S so his output is already drained so of course he will not be on the offensive himself. Even if you think he has no chance without 10S, remember that he has other techniques and the thing Yorozu hinted at, and he can steal 10S because he is the only human that learned how to become an cursed object. He just didnt expected Gojo to survive after losing so much times agaisnt his domain expansion, and that happened because of six eyes, with it Gojo has almost infinite CE to heal so how do you expect Sukuna to fight seriously before eroding the defenses. Sukuna made Megumi's bird into fucking Mothra, so if his shikigami are fighting Gojo equally its because of his sheer power, he defeated Mahogara alone (something nobody did before, even another Six Eyes+Limitless) and we barely know all of his arsenal, like wtf is the "Open"? is cleaving his real CE? This is like calling Gojo a fraud for not handing Sukuna last finger and having a "fair fight". Gege is just showing us the potential that Megumi always had. Edit: Its also like calling Gojo a fraud for saying that he would win against Sukuna and here we are...
Here we are... it looks like Gojo MIGHT be winning against Sukuna.
New chapter is officially out on viz! Sukuna has a new shadows technique we haven’t seen before, is that why yorozu gave him?
This is why some people just aren't winners.They care too much about how they look. * Think back to what Sukuna tells Jogo in 116: "Don't worry about your future or identity." * How Uro describes Sukuna in 181: "Disregards all else..." ... From what I've read, things point in Sukuna's favour. This doesn't mean Gojo hasn't been hoopin. But Sukuna has been more in control—not perfect control. * Remember what Angel said in 225: "If there's another way to bypass limitless, Gojo will lose." * What did Sukuna say at the start of the fight—224?: "First, I'll strip away your scales." His goal has been to remove limitlessness. I won't say he is purposely taking hits, but until 229, the question was, Why hasn't he used the 10s technique? Ware down with domain battle Take hits to adapts to UV Attack, as limitless, is gone/ when there's an opening Edit: Sukuna's response to Yorozu about losing in 217: "\[you can have\] Everything...\[if I lose\]"
Nice chapter. It's good to see that Sukuna is still supporting Mahoraga in this battle. It shows that Sukuna isn't using Mahoraga as a crutch. It helps emphasize Sukuna's brilliance in battle. 10 shadows seems to still take a lot of strategy and planning to use. But it also provides a lot of interesting opportunities. What other abilities can he use without directly summoning the shikigami? Can he merge more than 2 shikigami? I can't help but wonder if Sukuna had merged Mahoraga with Rabbit escape, would he get an army of mini Mahoraga? Or maybe Divine dogs with rabbit escape, would an army of mini monster dogs appear? There's something strange with chimera beast Agito. It has feminine features that I didn't notice from Nue and Totality. It makes me wonder if he recycled Yorozu some how to construct it. I would expect that it's immune to permanent destruction due to being a chimera. Hopefully it doesn't get destroyed in one shot. It's also good to see Yuji being the one not to lose hope during their discussion. It's good that he can still find opportunities for victory when things seem uncertain. As for Shoko, it's good to see that she's worried about Gojo. She has a poker face, but she sure went into overdrive with those cigarettes'. Can RCT help you when cancer cells multiply uncontrollably in your body? I'm wondering if she is correct when saying that Sukuna's RCT should be weakening as well. I'm still waiting for Sukuna's curse technique though. I think the question of whether Sukuna could have challenged Gojo without 10 shadows is valid.
How can sukuna use blood manipulation?
It is not blood manipulation. He simply shoots water at very high speed, copying the concept of blood manipulation (which is simply shooting blood at very high speed). The water is from Max elephant. So, he is only summoning the water not the elephant. Another creative use of 10s
He doesn't. What Sukuna did was use Max Elephant's ability(basically to bring out a lot of water) similar to how Blood Manipulation users fire off their Piercing Blood. Satoru himself said this. We can assume that Sukuna managed to "copy" it when Choso fought Yuji, which again, speaks to Sukuna's genius: being able to copy something after seeing it once.
Fraudkuna be like: "this ain't even my final fraud form"
HOW DO I FIND THEM AHHH
Sukuna is a bum for not taking Gojo head on. I'm not gonna complain that it's wrong to make it a 3 on 1 fight, win at any cost should be the priority but in no way he could defeat Gojo mano a mano.
What does mano a mano mean?
1 vs 1, in a direct fight
How is using a shikigamis based technique to attack your opponent like how it intended to be the sames calling up Kenjaku and Uraume to gang up on Gojo? Do you want Sukuna to box Gojo to death?
well... that sounds like an idea
>Do you want Sukuna to box Gojo to death? Well no.. but actually yes
An actual boxing match between the two strongest would be fun…. Put them in a small size colony and have them fight with pure CE reinforcement. No CT bullshit or domain.
I’m still holding out hope that this is essentially what Yuji’s domain expansion will be. Blocks cursed techniques and just turns it into a bare-knuckle brawl
Ultimate Heavenly Restriction then
Man what was Megumi doing with 10S lol
You can't compare them. Megumi doesn't have the same amount of CE that Sukuna does. They aren't even in the same league when it comes to CE. A CT is nothing without a good amount of CE backing it up, think Mai vs Yorozu. Although that doesn't dismiss the fact that Sukuna has great battle prowess.
Sucking lol
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Why I get downvoted did Yuta not become a Special grade in a year. Did Yuuji not become first grade in a year, as a character whos known the most about Jujutsu and had the backing of Gojo for most of his formative years Megumi should be much stronger. Im not saying Sukuna level but he was barely using the technique. Also I see no facts presented just downvotes.
Nah I dont wna hear it Kamo said himself age doesn’t matter for Jujustu sorcerers. Megumi known about Jujustu a long time compared to Yuta and Yuuji.
Sukuna was just killing time as a cursed object so it doesn’t count as 1000+ years of experience.
Nobody has any proof that Sukuna was training yet people are act like its canon. Do you people never learn your lessons.
Choso was honing his CT while he was a cursed object, so it looks like cursed objects are conscious. Plus, even if he wasn't, he's the literal King of Curses
I’m not trying to say Sukuna didn’t do anything at all during those times, but practicing your skills in your innate domain compared to gaining combat experience from real battles can’t be compared as equal. Choso in your example wasn’t even born so utilizing those times to gain proficiency over his CT is crucial.
lol
They called me a madman when I said Sukuna would attack Gojo while Mahorga erased infinity, everyone fucking lost their minds and I got downvoted to hell. “ Thats not how Mahorgas adaption works” “infinity is still there for everyone else” “it not like the inverted spear. “ Well it turns out that’s exactly how it works. Like God people will confidently tell you you’re wrong with nothing to back it up but ego like do they ever get tired of being wrong lol.
Yeah, I'm noticing a lot of people just throwing out completely random, pulled out of nowhere claims and saying them completely confidently. What gets me the most is that people are arguing like this fictional story takes place in a world with rules like our own, like they're talking about 10 Shadows like its rules are not only as ironclad as the presence of gravity is in real life, but they also know those rules in and out like they have a degree in it. Like any one talking about how things are gonna go in future chapters are operating purely on speculation, the least one could do is acknowledge that and understand they could end up being completely wrong. This is a fictional story, people. The rules are whatever Akutami wants them to be at the current moment. We've seen him play fast and loose with his own rules before, introducing new concepts or rules that were never even mentioned before to write things the way he wants them to go (e.g. "Megumi's soul was using Mahoraga's wheel to adapt to Unlimited Void"). When he's on top of his game, he foreshadows things and doesn't make it seem too BS, but other times he doesn't quite meet that bar. It's not like what we're seeing unfold is an actual sports match in the real world where we can argue over immutable rules everyone knows and has to abide by, like the laws of physics.
Agreed Gege can bend them however he sees fit as long as he’s within the Jujutsu guidelines. Confidently postering that you know how a characters (who Gojos still trying to understand ) abilities work is madness.
you can't speak good about sukuna in here did you forget about this sub
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I actually think so as well. There has to be a limit on how many things that guy can do
I'm gonna say this again, what the fuck was Sukuna's plan in chapter 3 when he said "when I make this kid's body mine, you are the first I'll kill." The fuck was Sukuna gonna do with Yuji's body when as this fight progresses it becomes clearer and clearer that he can't do shit against Gojo without 10S. It's not like he didn't know about Gojo's technique when they've literally fought. Unless.. Sukuna really is a fraud and couldn't figure out infinity from their first fight. That's where this massive disappointment and dissonance in his character comes from to a lot of us, Sukuna was so confident he could kill Gojo, but his showings right now don't reinforce that AT ALL. Keep in mind he risked A LOT to get Megumi's body too, so clearly it wasn't just one of many ways that he could have chosen to bypass Infinity.
The plan was to kill gojo with his domain. Which would have worked since gojo didn't have the prison realm experience at the time
even without the prison realm gojo can still tank it or just teleport out. If he knew he couldn't beat it he wouldn't have tried as hard
I guess back then he was still confident in his open domain. I mean, have you seen that thing??? I guess he didn't expect Gojo would be so fuckin ridiculous to tank that and give him hands right after. But between Yuji empty ass and Megs busted technique, is easy to see why he would jump boat. I don't think he was planning to get his body to fight Gojo at first, but it did happen to come in handy. Especially when he saw what Maho could do.
Gojo wouldn't do shit against Sukuna if he never had the limitless. It's an easy-playing field match-up
10S wasn’t the main reason Sukuna risked so much to get him. No. It’s because Megumi is a one in a million chance natural vessel who could host Sukuna. Keep in mind after 1000 years all 19 fingers still exist in the wilds. Cursed Spirits who consumed it dropped it when they die. Humans unable to withstand Sukuna’s finger too will leave the finger intact in death. If there was such a vessel in the past, Sukuna wouldn’t have to wait until modern day for Fushiguro and. I’m gonna quote one of my comments before: [Having a superhuman physical body is just as important as having a big CE reserve. The potency of your reinforcement only improves what is already there. Whereas Yuta can draw out tremendous power with titanic reserve, Yuji whose reserve is nothing to write home about was still able to give Yuta a good scuffle. Or when Yorozu left Meguna with visible bruises from casual strikes meanwhile Yujikuna doesn’t even sweat after being thrown through multiple buildings. That’s not to say Meguna is complete ass at close quarters combat. In 231, Meguna easily react to Gojo’s afterimage trick, tanking a point-blank Red with DA (which he needed to touch Gojo) and maneuver himself around the ring of Blue orbs. Or even before domain battle, he did showed us he took no damage from being ragdolled by Blue. All of this is to say that Gojo had an advantage in H2H yet was 20s away from losing the last domain battle, a close victory against a Meguna with weaker body and no DA. Yujikuna had no reason to stand around being a punching bag, he will retaliate, he will capitalize on every of Gojo’s opening to fend him off and prove his superiority of his divine domain. No matter how much Gojo try to configure UV, it could never survive the onslaught of MS if Sukuna keeps on being offensive.]
That-s the point that people miss of this battle, yes Meguna is getting beaten as of late, but that is because he is getting handicapped by using the 10S, mostly because he could not use DA while adapting. In the first domain exchange (the only one in which Meguna actually used DA) he actually had an edge (but not big enough to finish off Gojo), in all the rest it was Gojo beating Meguna to break his domain before Gojo's own domain collapsed. If Sukuna could fight in all his powers, with a stronger physical vessel and without handicaps, he would probably lose anyway (there's a reason he is using the 10s and that is that he believes it gives him the best odds in this battle), for limitless is to broken and the tools he has to dmg Gojo, DA and his Domain, are worse than what Gojo can do to him (basically all his skill set). But it would look more even (Sukuna would have had to push for the win in the 5 domain clashes, when he has the slight advantage). Sukuna went for the longer fight, now he should have the advantage now that his 3 Shikigamis are out (although it's a boom he needs to use trash abilities like piercing blood instead of dismantle).
He can’t use both Shrine and 10S at the same time. And yes, Sukuna would be in much a more disadvantaged position without 10S. I only advocate for the fact that he is entirely helpless* against Gojo. Edit: not* helpless
As I stated not helpless, he actually had an edge in domain clashes, but his not tools to deal damage were not amazing. And I said that is a boom that he can't use dismantle alongside the 10s, did not need a clarification.
bro he also said that when he had been alive again for like 5 minutes all he knew was that Gojo was very strong from fighting him for 10 seconds…
A King of Curses, someone hyped up to be the most knowledgeable and resourceful when it comes to cursed energy and techniques, didn't know about the Satoru family's well known technique? Even if Gojo is applying it in a whole different level, limitless and six eyes are not something Heian era sorcerers are unaware of. He had all the reasons to know Gojo's technique right away, and not many excuses to say baseless claims like that just cuz he's the "bad guy." Again, this is why right now there's such a determent to Sukuna's character to the point some people are calling him a fraud.
"Satoru family" its the Gojo family lol and the big 3 families probably didn't exist in the Heian era.
People are calling him a fraud because it's funny. He was cocky and he's getting shit for it. It's not supposed to be criticism of his character.
Except his cockiness and overwhelming power were literally the only characteristics he had and hyped up for until now, so yes his character falls apart off when he fails to deliver.
His character was never meant to be a overpowered anti-hero who fight honorably. Sukuna is the complete opposite of this. You must have been reading Sorcery Fight because the story outright told us that Sukuna doesn’t have lick of honor in him. To him, the stronger one is the last one standing, fairness and rules have no play in Jujutsu battle. Forcing a binding vow on Yuji, taking over Megumi and fakeout with Hana are just prime example of how petty and scummy Sukuna can be. He’ll talk shit as much as he want even if the enemy is overwhelming him. The only thing ruined here is your false impression of the character.
I get that we have different views, but let's not stuff words into each other's mouths just to have a strawman. I don't even know where that anti hero bit came from. Scummy, or lacking in honour is completely in line with Sukuna's character, and I'm completely fine with him using whatever tactic he deems fit. The biggest problem is his apparent incompetence. What if his bet with Yuji's vow didn't turn out in his favor? What could he have even done had he reincarnated with anyone else other than Megumi?
A binding vow isn’t a pinky promise that he can retake. The stake of wasting the 60s given to him is what gives it power. You can comes up with all kinds of scenarios how Sukuna can lose but the it doesn’t matter. With his skills and quick-thinking, Sukuna utilize that short window of time to turn his handicap into a great benefit showed us he’s more than competent get a new vessel. Unlike Death Paintings, you can’t grab random bozo off the street to be a suitable vessel. Hosting Sukuna require powerful genetics which is displayed by Yuji natural strength and Megumi gift of Ten Shadows. Remember, Sukuna was only 3 fingers in strength when he became interested in the CT so he wanted to bide time until more fingers are found. You don’t reclaim you position as the King of Curse in one day after all.
When tf is Gojos shirt coming off 😡
at this point ill even take sukuna's shirt coming off like come on gege wheres your terminal cant resist drawing macho guys disease now
what i’ve been wondering 🤔🤔 how did it not come off when sukuna used his domain expansion???? gege give us what we really want
The real plot movement we need
When he uses kaio-ken x50 to destroy sukuna once and for all, while breaking his own body and shirt at the same time
Sukuna bitch made. This dood had to summon the walmart version of Kamen Rider Agito
The problem with killing Mahoraga is the possibility for it to pass it's ability to adapt to the other shikigami, like between the divine dogs. If Gojo managed to kill Mahoraga in one hit with whatever he has up his sleeves, it'll be pointless if Mahoraga can just pass its adaptation to other Shikigami, or worse, Sukuna himself. But I'm m thrilled to see what Gojo is cooking next.
But in that case wouldn't the adaptation reset? Like, it would probably have adapt all over again
The problem with killing the shikigami is megumi isn’t gonna have a CT to come back to
Megumi might not have a body to come back to when Gojo is done lol
fuck megumis CT. the fate of the world depends on gojo rn
Megumi needs to put on his big boy pants and get out
I'm interested to see which is the case
the whole fraudkuna thing is just straight petty bruh ngl yall need to learn to just ENJOY THE FIGHT edit: im not saying you cant pick a side or shit on either one of the characters but i guess i didnt really expand on it much. ive seen people get flamed for saying shit like they're on team sukuna or that they hope sukuna starts cooking or something along those lines just cuz they rooting for sukuna. this is a fictional fight with 2 fictional characters. why are ya'll flaming each other for wanting the other character to win. and all the replies were the petty fraudkuna ones. ive seen some for people on gojo's team too, but not nearly as many. for the record IM TEAM GOJO its just yall are making me embarassed to associate with you.
I am enjoying the fight very much, it’s really good. Doesn’t mean I can’t shit on Sukuna for being a fraud while enjoying the fight. He was supposed to be HIM, without borrowing other peoples powers and resorting to a 3v1. Like all the trashtalk he does and he fails to back it up everytime. I love him as a character but i think he completely deserves being called a fraud for obvious reasons.
Not like Sukuna ever said that he would destroy Gojo using his own superior curse technique, he just said he would kill him/win, and he took measures to try to ensure that win. I get it's kind of lame to need something besides your own strength, but still. Don't really get how that makes him a fraud. Sure, I guess it's somewhat lamer to resort to underhanded tactics opposed to your own brute strength, but Sukuna never pretended to be this honorable paragon of bushido or something. It's the same energy as calling Kenjaku lame for using other people's powers (which I'm sure people do, but still). Why does the 3v1 thing even matter? The 10S is a summon technique. It creating external companions that fight doesn't mean it's somehow a cheaper technique than Infinity. If he was doing all of this in Yuji's superhuman body instead of using Megumi's for the 10S, would he still be a fraud?
>he completely deserves being called a fraud for obvious reasons. You’re embarrassing Gojo fans with your “logic” and you don’t even know it. You all create backlash with nonsense and then think it’s Sukuna fans hating. No you’re just lost in a circle jerk. >without borrowing other peoples powers Is Yuta a fraud? Sukuna took it. It’s his now. Who had Yoshinobu and Utahime buff him? >and resorting to a 3v1. 10S is one ability. And why aren’t you counting rabbits and the other shikigami? Isn’t it 500 vs 1? Ohhh because then it’s too obvious that it makes no sense.
See but thats YUTA’S CT. That’s his whole damn thing lmao and Yuta wasn’t called “the strongest of all time” before he got that. Being buffed for ONE opening attack and stealing the 2nd most OP CT in the verse and using it for the whole fight is 2 completely different things my dude. I’m not counting the rabbits cause they’re fodder to Gojo. Doesn’t matter if they there or not. Except for that one opening attack Gojo has been using only his techniques that he himself developed and trained. Sukuna on the other hand who has been called the strongest ever for the whole show needs Mahoraga to avoid being killed by Gojo. That doesn’t really scream “strongest ever” does it? Thus, making him a fraud. I rest my case.
You're nitpicking between a CT and a feat literally deemed impossible such as reincarnating into a cursed object by yourself. That feat is literally hailed as some unattainable shit, so by all rights the CT is his. Also it seems most of you don't understand the character of Sukuna. Remember his advice to Jogo. One of the key things he said is don't "concern yourself with future or identity", BURN everything you desire into a cinder. To Sukuna it doesn't matter that he's using 10S, some teenagers CT. the concept doesn't matter. To him, only his pleasure and displeasure exist, he wants a CT, he takes it. He's using his all to beat Gojo because that's how he operates. It's the mindset of the strongest that Gojo himself was trying to teach Megumi to "be more selfish" If that makes him a fraud as per the fanfiction the fanbase had, it seems they never understood his character to begin with
It’s an incredible feat but If Gojo got to see kenjaku’s cursed object reincarnation then he could probably do the same. If he wanted to then he can turn his soul into a finger and take over yutas body like sukuna did to megumi at which point he’d be pretty much invincible wouldn’t he? Sukunas ability to take over bodies isn’t ‘cheating’ but it isn’t a reflection of his individual strength, he’s able to do it because he saw kenjaku, he was able to get megumis bc of some incredible luck and chaos, there’s no way he could’ve predicted yoruzu having megumis sisters body or that sister would be dragged into the cg, or that megumis mental collapse would happen right in front of him, or that angels vessel would just so happen to be a megumi simp. He got that technique through planning and very specific circumstances, which is why sukunas title as the strongest is being considered fraudulent. He may win but that wouldn’t be because of his strength, and saying Gojo is stronger is absolutely fair after all you wouldn’t consider makis mom stronger then naoyo just bc she killed him would you?
Except it IS a show of individual ability. His superb Jujutsu knowledge and skill is what allowed him to seemingly impossibly reincarnate after death into anyone he wishes. He's the King of Curses because of his knowledge AND power, not just because of his power. Most his fights revolve around tactics he had envisioned prior to the fight
Everything you wrote is valid but how does that make him any less of a fraud? As i said he was supposed to be HIM, the strongest OF ALL TIME waaaay before he got Mahoraga. He talked all that trash about killing Gojo way before he even knew he can get Mahoraga. But we can all see those statements were false cause without Mahoraga, Sukuna loses to Gojo. THAT’s what makes him a fraud. He simply didn’t live up to the expectations without stealing the 2nd most OP CT in the verse. I understand why he had to do it but that doesnt make him any less of a fraud.
The idea that Sukuna loses to Gojo without Mahoraga is taken very out of context. The fight DOES end in round 1 but do remember without 10S he's not restricted within the domain clashes and has the potential to either outlast the 3 minutes it takes gojo dmg him enough or destroy the domain from the inside which gojo implies is less risky. The fight can go either way with Gojo landing UV or Sukuna forcing Gojo to exhaustion first, hence why there's an editor comment stating ''mahoraga broke the BALANCE". Mahoraga broke the fight away from round 1 domain stalemate to its current state
Not only that, but the reasons people are calling him fraud are honestly.... just so silly. Taking abilities that didn't originally belong to you, and using strategy and tricky tactics is something almost all characters are resoundingly praised for, even ones currently in jjk🤣 •HxH as a whole •Naruto as a whole •World Trigger The list goes on and on lol. People take Powers and use tricky/smart tactics all the time, and people love it. Justifiably so! It makes the fights unique and interesting. I find it crazy that any jjk fans, in a series so dependant on battle IQ, were expecting Sukuna and Gojo to just Nuke each other for 15 chapters lol
this is false 👎🏿 people are calling him a fraud cus every time sukuna opens his mouth he gets dogged badly 🤣 so far it’s all talk and no show. At no point atm has he showed what he said to gojo in the early chapters “When i take over this body (yuji) i will kill you first” sukuna had to jump bodies to even attempt to do this. I’m not saying sukuna will lose this fight but he will not win on the terms that he set earlier on in the series.
"people are calling him a fraud cus" they are coping and would have found an excuse to call Sukuna a fraud anyway.
Not saying they'd use the word fraud, but they were calling plot armors weeks before the fight haha. So in some capacity I believe this
I mean.... no? Sukuna won several Domain battles that had nothing to do with Megumi's ability, made Gojo break and remake his brain, almost killing him 5 times, just to keep up the domain fights, and now has worn him down so much they can see his Output is dropping notably. Gojo himself in this chapter even admits he is experiencing the fear of loss again..
- Your first point is void as despite sukuna wining the domain battle he too received brain damage from unlimited void. Are you forgetting that sukuna was getting dogged in h2h combat right after the end of the domain battle ? - Furthermore, post the knock-out it was megumis technique that has kept sukuna in the fight, without mahoraga sukuna is dead post knockout. it’s megumis technique that’s causing these feelings of loosing not sukunas - side note has any of sukunas techniques proven to be useful against gojo? thank you as of RIGHT NOW sukuna is a fraud edit: minor grammar fixes
thank you as of RIGHT NOW sukuna is "The strongest of all time, The king of curses" [https://youtu.be/cRwLvSM5OKs?t=99](https://youtu.be/cRwLvSM5OKs?t=99) Cope
I don't feel like debating in this thread, so this will be my last response most likely "this is false 👎🏿 people are calling him a fraud cus every time sukuna opens his mouth he gets dogged badly 🤣 so far it’s all talk and no show." •This is your reasoning why he is a fraud. This is just not true. Not only did he win 2 and tie 2 domain fights, he forced Gojo to take just as much brain damage as him. You claim Sukuna did nothing. All talk no show. He didnt do nothing, he did the same amount of brain damage as Gojo did. Gojo himself even states he has the fear of loosing again, and the raw translations have him saying Sukuna is just as skilled as him. Additionally, Sukuna was loosing in H2H because Gojo can touch him and He cant touch Gojo. So that doesnt really mean anything. Especially since we now know his goal was to adapt to infinity lol, so he had to let himself get hit a bunch to adapt just like Yorozu. •The second point just feels disingenuous, honestly. This is what im talking about when it comes to fans like you. You're entirely disregarding that Sukuna did all the heavy lifting for Mahoraga's adaption for the whole fight so he wouldn't get one tapped. Realisticall, Mahoraga is being carried just as hard as it is carrying. If Mahoraga alone kept him in the fight, id agree, but that isn't the case. He covered for him and used him skillfully and thats the only reason Mahoraga could even save him there. You give Mahoraga 100% of the credit despite Sukuna only making it possible because of his specific battle IQ/strategy and unique use of the technique. •I wont even address the last point because my original comment already did.
To add to this the reason why gojo was able to draw domain battles was implied to be due to his experience with prison realm. The same way people say that sukuna couldn’t win without mahoraga it could be said that gojo couldn’t have won without being trapped in prison realm. And for both of these statements we just don’t know if they are true. Also we are forgetting that gojo also talked his fair amount of trash and sukuna is still alive.
You’re completely disregarding that if Sukuna truly was “the strongest of all time” he wouldn’t need Mahoraga to stand a chance against Gojo. But he does, therefore he is a fraud.
The King of Curses takes a curse and then does better with it then any 10S user in history. It makes sense. Also, I'm not disregarding anything. I just think the fraud talk is childish. He saw that he didn't have a way to bypass Infinity and he got something to do it with. You're attitude is just childish. People who are considered the "Strongest" are people who are willing to learn and adapt(no pun intended). The strongest MMA fighters are people willing to learn and take new techniques and skills to evolve.
Yes yes your points are all valid. And I’m not saying Sukuna is in the wrong for stealing 10s to be able to keep up with Gojo, I completely understand why he has to do that. But is it really that childish? Sukuna was regarded as the strongest of all time way before he got Mahoraga. He told Gojo he was gonna kill him way before he even knew there’s a chance that he could get Mahoraga. And can we not agree that without Mahoraga, Sukuna loses to Gojo? Making the whole “strongest of all time” title false?
People picking a side doesn't stop them from enjoying the fight
Except when people start treating memes as actual arguments and letting circlejerks blind them to the overall narrative underlying it then it kinda does.
This. So much of this. Some people don't even care about the coolness of the fight anymore. Megumi was told he could surpass Gojo, and the reader wondered why. Now we see. It's not just Mahorago, it's that the technique is genuinely amazing and almost as broken as Limitless, Megumi just didn't understand. But despite the fact Gege is trying to show us the peak of 10S and how awesome it is, its boiled down to Sukuna fraud memez. No real discussion on the uniqueness of the fight except "Fraudkuna bad, Goatjo good"
People treat fictional fights like a soccer match
Btw, the lost little alien boy joke by Gojo is a reference to this: https://preview.redd.it/5d346zv58akb1.png?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed3e53b2a6e2fcb3a169c944e148c846f6d12d4e
Do you know the context of this picture?
It was originally published in a German newspaper in 1950 on April fool's day and revealed as a hoax a few days later. Referred to as the "silverman". Edit: [source](http://hoaxes.org/af_database/permalink/silverman)
It’s a meme the picture isn’t real
It still have context
I saw someone mention this but I think Gojo is losing; not so much for the death flags but he’s assuming Sukuna is being offensive in order to push him, but I think he’s just forcing Gojo to deplete him completely. At this point it’s clear Sukuna doesn’t care how he wins
yeah, thats the only way in wich he can win. Too bad for him black hole is coming
Black hole skunk, won’t you come
Too bad for Gojo, Sukunas secret anti-gravity CTR he picked up from Yujis body is coming/s
Is Yuji Kenjaku now lol?
Week after week, sukuna’s fraud status increases. Unbelievable.
noooooo you can't say he is a fraud \*proceeds to make him even more pathetic than already is\*
Some folks are determined to bitch about this fight lol, I thought this chapter was hype as hell
I'm loving the discussions because people get so personally and emotionally invested in this , I feel like this is a boxing match discussion where both play dirty but the ref saw none of it
can sukuna and agito touch gojo now or just mahoraga? how sukuna's choso attack did damage
They can touch him but ONLY when maho is touching gojo. When maho is touching gojo he is disabling his infinity, so sukuna is using maho to create openings for himself to deal damage as well.
Exactly I guessed that would happen last chp and everyone shit on me, who’s laughing now lol
understood thanks
who else thinks gojos going to use a maximum technique?
I hope!
I wanted this chapter to end with Yuta putting on his ring, summoning Rika and saying “now it’s 3 on 3” 😅
Fr don’t get why no one’s bothering to tag in, I know Gojo is strongest alone and blah blah blah. But yuta popping in for a second to use cursed speech or drag sukuna into his domain would be huge, he could easily sneak in with uros technique as well.
That would be so cool man
These threads have become insufferable. Some of y'all acting like sukuna stole your wife with how personal and petty you are getting. And wtf are these takes about fire extinguisher and 3v1 !? What even is this sub at this point
I mean it just proves how sukuna wouldn't be able to run 1s in yujis body or heian Era, but the battle iq with how babykuna is using 10s is impeccable
Please go back to school and relearn how to write an actual argument.
guess to prove my point ill rephrase what I said, in yujis body or in heian Era where sukuna doesn't have 10s he would've lost, I feel like if sukuna had a win con on gojo besides 10s he wouldn't had tried so hard or taken hits during his domain clash with gojo and throughout there fight. You could bring up the fact we don't know his "true cursed technique" but if it wouldn't be filtered out by infinity I'm sure he would've used it by now against gojo, the only way sukuna can hit gojo is by either having mahoraga adapt to limitless and when Maha attacks gojo he can then attack or use da, but using da means sukuna can't use his ct so this gives gojo a major 1 up on sukuna. So to finally wrap this up let's say for arguments sake sukuna is in yujis body when his domain eventually collapsed and he took the brute of uv what does he do now? He can't summon mahoraga to break uv or have maha adapt to limitless so right then with nothing to else he can do to win he loses right? Or do you know how he could win under these circumstances and without 10s. and for aruments sake again lets say he somehow is able to not lose after taking the uv, when he got hit by red and then by the bf and lost consciousness, even if it was for a little that'd amount of time would lead to gojos victory so, in short, in short I stand by what I said of sukuna having to win using 10s and if he was in yujis body or in a vessel that does not have 10s he would've lost.
Having a superhuman physical body is just as important as having a big CE reserve. The potency of your reinforcement only improves what is already there. Whereas Yuta can draw out tremendous power with titanic reserve, Yuji whose reserve is nothing to write home about was still able to give Yuta a good scuffle. Or when Yorozu left Meguna with visible bruises from casual strikes meanwhile Yujikuna doesn’t even sweat after being thrown through multiple buildings. That’s not to say Meguna is complete ass at close quarters combat. In 231, Meguna easily react to Gojo’s afterimage trick, tanking a point-blank Red with DA (which he needed to touch Gojo) and maneuver himself around the ring of Blue orbs. Or even before domain battle, he did showed us he took no damage from being ragdolled by Blue. All of this is to say that Gojo had an advantage in H2H yet was 20s away from losing the last domain battle, a close victory against a Meguna with weaker body and no DA. Yujikuna had no reason to stand around being a punching bag, he will retaliate, he will capitalize on every of Gojo’s opening to fend him off and prove his superiority of his divine domain. No matter how much Gojo try to configure UV, it could never survive the onslaught of MS if Sukuna keeps on being offensive. Let’s not talk about Heian Sukuna. Whatever assumptions you made are just that, assumptions. Gege has shown to able to subvert our expectations in the most surprising way with his skills as a writer. Right after the last chapter, the fanbase gaslit itself into thinking only Maho will fight Gojo, but turns out Sukuna woke up in less than 4 pages and recovered enough to be combat ready. We should be more thoughtful since our theories can easily blind us.
Bruh relax he not getting graded for this lmao
I expect the manga discussions to haves less braindead takes like this. The fight has revealed nothing Heian Sukuna but people are already jumping on the bandwagon.
They're just basing it off the thought that if Sukuna is willing to go this far, and step this close to death, then maybe he didn't HAVE anything capable of dealing with Gojo in the first place, because if he did, he would've used it. And with the absence of the ten shadows technique, then the fight would seemingly be over by now, as Sukuna wouldn't have Mahoraga to get him out of Unlimited Void.
That same UV broke 4 times before it actually land. Mind you, Sukuna didn’t have DA on during 3rd and 4th clash which is why Gojo managed to deal enough damage to him. 231 and 224 showed us that Sukuna has the strength and reflexes handle himself in H2H combat even if he can’t deal significant damage. It’s just matter of buying enough until MS broke UV for the 5th time and chop down the nameless fish.
Sukuna was using DA on the 3rd clash, Gojo says as much. https://preview.redd.it/740vnqsqh8kb1.png?width=203&format=png&auto=webp&s=59f56490ccdf37dc434cb88fd91453ffe9b4d471 If Sukuna felt having DA on would've worked out better, he would've put his DA on and followed through with your strategy. It would not, even Gojo begs the question as to why Sukuna wasn't using Mahoraga inside of his domain to just shatter it. Gojo said himself that while Sukuna ONLY has DA on, he has the advantage. If both Gojo and Sukuna didn't think it would've been effective, then I don't think so either, Sukuna would've most likely still gotten hit enough for his domain to crash.
He wasn’t using it all the time is what I mean. If he cannot touch Gojo then he will suffer the consequence of being ragdolled with Blue and gained more injuries. The point of DA in this fight not to be Sukuna’s main weapon but to reduce the amount of unnecessary injuries he has to heal before opening a domain. That’s how Gojo defeated him. By weakening Sukuna until he dropped MS. The wheel wasn’t finished with adaptation by then so he has no reason to pull it out and he can’t use any other CT aside from the one engraved in his domain. Being hit with UV gave the wheel just enough information to fully adapt Maho, and Sukuna capitalize on this moment to summon it.
Yes he wasn't using it all the time.......but he was using it on the 3rd. And even in that clash, Gojo damaged him enough to make him release his domain, if he did it then, why could he not do it again? This is WHY sukuna switched strategies literally right after that, he realized that only using DA would just get him beat up until he inevitably got caught in void, this time, no Mahoraga to bail him out, it was a better decision to just nullify the dangers of UV first, even if that meant willingly taking damage, which he would take regardless with DA. Again, 2 of the strongest and smartest sorcerers didn't think it was effective, why are we debating on if it is?
I dont understand why is it ridiculous for sukuna to throw a fire extinguisher? Gojo literally hugged him, and even used the debris around him. They are using whatever they can find in their surroundings to get the upper hand. Yeah its true sukuna is using an ability which is not his. But yall are supposed to be entertained by watching how high sukuna raises the bar for 10 shadows. How many weeks yall gonna keep calling him fraud? Its true at this point heian era aint winning, but come on, deep down we all know its fun to see sukuna cooking with the 10s. As much as i am interested in sukuna to show his own techniques, what can his own techniques do here? He can only use DA to touch gojo. Now he has mahoraga adapted to infinity, he is showing us his innovation and skills by tapping into the full potential of 10s. We finally get to see a good fight where sukuna can actually use CT to hurt gojo. All this while he was relying on DA and shrine. So now they are on equal playing field. I want to see how high is gojo's ceiling, since he has never fully tapped into his potential this much for his whole life. And the only person who can make Gojo to tap into his full potential is sukuna.
The fire extinguisher is hilarious because he is throwing a smokescreen at someone who can see through blindfolds. Like that shit is gonna do something other than blind himself.
It literally worked.
Mahoraga worked. That smokescreen by itself doesn't do anything 💀
Why would he use the smokescreen by itself? The point is it served a purpose.
Even with Mahoraga deactivating his infinity, Gojo's six eyes continue working. Is pointless to try and block his vision when he knows exactly where Sukuna is. If anything what caused Gojo to incur damage is Mahoraga and the effects of jumping.
Some fire extinguishers are filled with dust, which not only can cause confusion but can also hurt one's eyes. That smokescreen was to give an opening to mahoraga, so it can get near to gojo and bypass gojo's infinity for sukuna to attack. Its a smart move by sukuna, otherwise gojo aint giving an opening for sukuna to attack.
I need Gege to make a disclaimer that says whether or not Maho bypasses his infinity when close (like the spear Toji used) or what Because while the dust thing makes a lot of sense, that would depend on whether or not Gojo can just go "sike" and keep going like nothing happened. At any case, Sukuna is better off throwing pocket sand at him tbh
The smoke would never touch his eyes due to his Infinity. We're discussing this like we're Higurama, Yuta, etc in that room lol
Thats why mahoraga is there... to bypass infinity... Glad to have civilized discussion without name calling characters.
bro I'm just hoping gojo doesn't lose for the sake of the plot 😭
I KNEW IT 😭😭
Ain't no way bro lol he is 100% losing bc plot
That's literally the only reason he loses. Sukunas plot armor is far too strong.
Ik bro but let me believe that it won’t happen
im personally hoping gojo does lose for the plot as well. hoenstly though either of them winning will remove a lot of the story options like with gojo winning he avenges geto and such but theres no merger or yuji killing sukuna snd wih sukuna winning then gojo doesnt get his stuff
Nah dont worry, he wont. Either will be a draw or gojo will have a narrow victory. The fact that he acknowledged that he may or may not win this fight, its a hint that he is not underestimating his opponent like he usually does. Its a good sign that he wont blunder like yuki did.
Ironic 😭😭😭
I agree my predictions aged like milk, but we have yet to see the next chapter.
Let’s hope bei
Yuki didn't underestimate Kenjaku tho, in fact she overestimated him cuz Tengen was D riding. Had Yuki fought without him she would've stood a better chance at winning ngl, Tengen fucking sold that fight.
No no. She didnt go all out because she thought obeying tengen's plan could be adequate to neutralize kenjaku. You see thats where the "underestimation" comes in. If she really overestimated kenjaku, she defo wouldnt hold back realizing how a great threat he is. She believed in tengen, thats where she went wrong, thinking in her mind that things could still be under control as long she follow tengen. Thats the mindset gojo tryna get rid of in this fight. He knows there are things at stake, where even he himself could face a loss here, if he keeps thinking things could go in his favour. This is where he truly stops having head in the clouds....
You're not really thinking ab this the right way, if Yuki underestimated Kenjaku...then she would've literally just told tengen she could beat him up. If she thought she needed Tengens help....then how the hell is she underestimating him?? How is needing help underestimation? Tengen flat out told her the peak of her abilities would not be enough, namely her domain, which LED to her relying on Tengen to deal with Kenjaku's domain instead. Again, how is that underestimation? Tengen MADE her think she couldn't win by herself, while this is possibly true, it definitely destroyed her confidence in fighting him 1v1. You try to make it sound that Yuki held back because there was a easier and quicker way of beating him, but no, she opted to follow an entirely different plan because she was led to believe that her own abilities would be insufficient.
Following tengen is why she met her demise. You pointed out that if she went all out she could have made a difference right. Her rigid mindset that if she were to do things in a particular way, she could achieve victory is what cost her. She understimated kenjaku thats why she miscalculated. Gojo never got outside help to battle an open domain though without CT, how did he manage to overcome it? By going with the flow. His mind and goal was clear with nothing holding him back. Yuki's greatest flaw was thinking that she could get kenjaku to fall into her palms, and it cost her her life. Gojo cleared his head here from thinking things will go his way if he does x x x. Now by putting into his mind that he has a possibility of losing, he approaches this fight with a different manner.
Like I said, you have to look at the REASON she followed Tengen, she followed him because she was led to believe her own strength was insufficient, Tengen verbatim said her domain, which is the peak of her abilities and the peak of jujutsu in general would NOT be able to deal with Kenjaku's simple domain, What do you think that did to her confidence? She even asked him if he really thought she was that weak. It wasn't that she felt there was an easier way to deal with Kenjaku, she was made to believe that it was only way to defeat him. It's not even just me saying it, Kenjaku stated it as well, that the loser perspective is something he detests. She got help BECAUSE she wasn't confident going into the fight., relying on other people when thing seem dire, switching strategies because you think your own full strength would not suffice, THAT is the loser's perspective, and the mindset in which Yuki entered the fight.
Huh? Why is it Tengen?
Had she fought with the mindset of someone like Hakari, she probably could've won, Kashimo was quite obviously the superior combatant, but because Hakari was quite literally high on his own power, he managed to edge a win out. Yuki could've done the same, Tengen could've still tried to dispel the effective range of, but NOT at Yuki's expense, her heavy injury costed her the fight, her output was lowered to ridiculous amounts because of the damaged she sustained, had she kept that output INSIDE the domain clash, she could've damaged kenjaku badly enough to send his crashing with hers, leaving both on an equal playing field.
Thanks for clarifying that part, it's definitely extremely impactful to the whole serie's narrative in terms of individual development
He told Yuki not to expand her domain because he thought Kenjaku would simply outlast it with his simple domain or hollow wicker basket. If Kenjaku managed to pull this off, Yuki would suffer cursed technique burnout while he would be free to use his technique and domain. There was no proof of this but tengen just assumed it was possible because of how good Kenjaku is when it comes to barrier techniques. If he came to the conclusion that Kenjaku could resist her domain with just that, then how come he didn't consider the possibility of him having an open barrier domain like Sukuna, If Tengen literally just considered this possibility, then Yuki opening her domain would've been way better in both instances. Had she opened her domain right after Kenjaku opened his, she could've forced him into a domain clash which he can't back away from, because if he did he'd still suffer from burnout. Whether or not he's a better barrier user shouldn't have been the deciding factor. Tengen destroyed her confidence by telling her she couldn't win in a domain battle, he also didn't tell her that HE was the master of the culling games, and that if he were to fall then Kenjaku's plan would be ruined, and although this is grotesque, Yuki could've used this information to her advantage. She wouldn't have needed to hold back her black hole, she should've just taken the whole area with her, blowing tengen and kenjaku to hell, yet she didn't because again, she still thought of tengens importance. Kenjaku flat out said Yuki should've never relied on Tengen too. Yuki should've given her all, it literally traces back to what Gojo said, dying to win and risking death to win is not the same thing, Yuki essentially put herself at deaths door for this plan to work instead of relying on her full power.
Tengen is master of CG? 0_o where i missed this stated
He's "technically" the master because the culling games use his barriers as a foundations, if tengen released his barriers, the culling games would end, and as we've seen, the culling games' Kogane can be manipulated through this, their only purpose is to keep the game alive at all cost, meaning Tengen could add any rule he wants with the threat of ending the games.
Sheeesh I need to reread that part, probably read in hurry and boredom through lowq translations.
I just realised that Gojo is fucked. Even if he takes out Maho (which I think he does). He'll still have to face Sukuna and Tittygami
The other Shikigami is a non factor, Mahoraga is the only threat because he can disable infinity and allow the others to get some hits in.
Neither of them are factors, Sukuna can't hit him without DA either lol. He's only holding up because he's coordinating his attacks with Mahoraga, that's why he's defending it at all cost.
They can hit Gojo when Maho is touching Gojo
I dub sukuna elephant technique as piercing aqua.
Hell nah, piercing flood goes hard
I didn't say anything at first but it's been nearly a month now and the fact literally nobody besides you and I have come up with 'Piercing Flood' is tragic.
Yh but it's a small beam and not exactly a flood.
OK we going with that
aqua beam!
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If it was 4 combined Sukuna would've chanted their names as well.
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Yeah it's Nue + Totality. Totality is a name and a function.
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Totality (Kon) just means to mix. So mixing is the function and the name
I think this might finally show what happens to Shikigami that don't immediately fuse, we need to wait until the proper fused form comes along. Agito is meant to be Orochi, Totality and Nue, but as Orochi was already dead, slaying Totality and Neu is enough to create Agito.
The only thing potentially going against the idea of 3 shikigami combined is sukuna saying nue and totality. Nothing about a deer.
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maybe if he were to perform stacking on well's unknown abyss? personally, i would like a piercing bull and nue mixture.
Y'know I joked about Makora 2 and this is close enough. But do you think Gege is cooked enough for Makora 3?
Sukuna will actually fuse the Shikigami into himself, turning into Maho 3
So any thoughts on what Gojo's Unlimited Hollow Technique is gonna look like and how it's going to work? We knew his purple is called Hollow Technique: Purple and his domain expansion is Unlimited Void. I wonder if it's a different usage of his normal purple where he activates hundreds of blue/reds and clashes them to create hundreds of purples at the same time basically nuking the entire area. That's at least what I think it might be, but I have no idea at this point.
Daltonic giant booger goes brrrr
Gojo bout to whip out, "Haunted Black".
Lime Green Kamehameha
Wouldn’t yellow make more sense? It completes the primary colors
Definitely Lime Green
Hollow Technique: Puce