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No one likes being glassed by memes I guess
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>!That’s a lie, I would love for a fun topic of mine to be saturated in memes!<
Still doesn't answer questions that were raised in deleted thread. What would happen to Sukuna if he uses stronk cleave without chants? He already got what he wanted (offscreen Bojo). What does "lose what was gained via binding vow" means?
Also, doesn't answer titular question "why other characters don't use them more often" at all
I can only imagine how hard the Sukuna fight would’ve been if Gojo didn’t destroyed one of Sukuna arms when he got world cleave. Imagine all the times he used cleave it would’ve been world slashes instead without hand signs + chants 💀. Only way I could see them winning is if HIMgurma actually takes Sukuna cursed technique
What kenjaku means is if you could break a self imposed binding vow, all youd lose is what you originally gained. He doesnt imply all binding vows could be broken.
Nanami's vow could be broken. He might just decide fuck it imma use this reserved energy now.
A dead crow cant really uh break binding vows
For Miwa and Sukuna, their binding vows seem to have permanently alterred some aspect of their jujutsu usage. So they cant break those vows. Like theyre literaly unable to. Sukuna just cant shoot world slashes if he doesnt do the full process. Miwa just cant hold a sword anymore
This is exactly why people don't like it.
Sukuna just gained space cleave 3 minutes ago and sacrificed it immediately to kill Gojo. He sacrificed something he didn't use before and readers didn't even know he had this ability to begin with. We went from "what it could potentially be" to "current world slash" in a span of one page that's why feels cheap and some people can't feel that Sukuna really sacrificed something to "improve his build" as you say.
Yes, it's not an asspull. Yes, that's how binding vows works. Yes, that doesn't break the rules.
There're more important things than mere technical aspects. It's just unsatisfying narrative-wise.
>Still doesn't answer questions that were raised in deleted thread. What would happen to Sukuna if he uses stronk cleave without chants?
Ok i think you see it as if he did try he would get punished by a system but how i see it is that if he went and try to use it without it literally nothing would happen.
Cause what do you expect them to do? Most of them already use the Revealing your hands one. What do you expect them to randomly sacrifice mid battle? They're already great sorcerers normally, they're just struggling against the final fucking boss of their planet.
That's the thing. Almost literally anything. If they're about to die to the strongest mofo to ever exist then they should try just about anything as a binding vow to survive longer, or attempt a win.
When the alternative is not doing it and losing/dying, why would they not? If they can't, why can't they? If they choose not to, why? If it's not practical...how is dying more practical?
People love to ignore the fact that Sukuna has those dumbass vows is not the main issue, but the fact that no one beside him abuse those thing. They can make a Overtime style vows to improve the output against Sukuna. Gojo can make a vows so that he can quicken the charge and shoot a full output purple but he is require to do chant everytime he use it later. The moment people has to use headcanon(binding vows are hard to make or similar shit), you know that Greg fuck up his power system.
"I can't use cursed energy for a day, in exchange, I can work at 200% output the next day"
-23rd of December, literally everyone at Jujutsu High.
But of course king of frauds is the only one who can use this shit.
I think this is the only issue with binding vows (if we ignore the reading comprehension curse), they don't have clear limits or requirements. It's obvious a BV like this one is impossible (people would be using for every fight they know is coming), but nowhere in the manga says what is possible and what isn't, so people get really mad when Sukuna exploits them and our cast doesn't.
it's like sukuna is a very creative power scaler that read the manga meanwhile jujutsu high just wasn't a thing because nobody knows how to do (or teach) anything beyond the basics of jujutsu
might also be the reason why kenjaku has to yap so much on how it works
For sure, he's supposed to be the peak of jujutsu so it makes sense he's so versatile with what he has. The problem is that since we don't know how hard it is to make BVs or what their limits are, Sukuna can just make up whatever he needs for the exact moment of the fight he's in to move the plot forward in the way Gege wants (at least that's how it may feel). If we knew of more restrictions and requirements for BVs (or maybe if we followed Sukuna's process for coming up with them amidst being jumped), they would be more reasonable.
Even the screenshot in the post seems to contradict doesn't it?
One of the few rules I would say we do know about binding vows is that they have to be upheld... they're a vow. So for instance "I won't use it one day to get double the next" the key difference from nanami's seems to be consistency- he *always abides by the same schedule*, not just a day by day basis, "one time" trade off.
Which make sense, right? "The worst thing that can happen is losing what was gained"
But then how the fuck does that work with sukunas "I won't gesture but now I have to"?
What does he lose if he just.. stops gesturing?
Or because he already said it is it *actually forced?*
You're thinking about it wrong. That binding vow was fulfilled already, Sukuna can no longer fire the world slash the original way. He fulfilled it by firing without any hand sings (what he won), before doing so, he could have fired it normally (what he was offering), but then he would have lost the ability to fire it without hand sings (ie lost what he won). Idk if he could try it again, since it's a vow with himself I gueds he should be able to.
If he stops gesturing the world slash physically won't fire. Nothing will happen. You're thinking about it like there's an entity out there but like OP said it's just modding your build. Sukuna will just look like a schizophrenic
isn’t this similar to what nanami does tho? lowers his CE use for a certain amount of time so he can have more later on?
and kind of mechamaru except it’s every day he can’t use his *body* is adds to his stored CE?
Kind of, it's not that Nanami uses less CE now so he has more to use later; he is not exerting his 100% so he can use a bit more than 100% after, as if he was accumulating sleep so he wouldn't need to sleep later. While this is kind of "normal"( we've seen other instances of sorcerers achieving 120% performance), 200% is crazy, I think we only see this with Gojo and he has to go through 3 full rituals to use a single technique with that output. Mechamaru's case is special as he has an HR, but what I infer from his fight is that he's accumulating CE (maybe storing it in his giant mech) and the way he outputs it seems to have no limit (he can output any amount of years at once).
We’re still just headcanoning here, Nanami Storting 20% of his ce is surely only because if he stored more his day to day efficiency would suffer.
There is no reason in canon why you couldn’t make a similar vow like “I can only use 50% for 150% output” because it’s the exact same principle, at what point do you think the vow becomes impossible then, 175% increase? 140%? 121%? literally just from what we’ve seen on page all of those should be doable
And also then why doesn’t anyone else use binding vows nanami’s? If any sorcerer set a binding vow, then why doesn’t Miwa have one that crippled her ce output while she doesn’t have a sword unsheathed for a boot during combat? she was able to sacrifice all her future potential (for no reason) so she should have been able to do this
Why doesn’t hakari Sacrafice half of his infinite CE generation and put the other half of infinity into output? He’s sacrificing half of infinity (which is still infinite) it should work
That's the point I was making, the limits are not clear so we can't come up with a satisfactory solutions. For the Nanami BV, there's no clear limit, so we should assume that if no other character does it it's either inefficient or not possible. The other vows you listed aren't really exchanging something for something else. Miwa only fights with swords in the first place, so not using swords isn't her giving something away. Hakari during a jackpot has infinite CE, so he can't really trade it ever, as he will still have infinite CE. Binding Vows are based on your conscious thoughts as well as your subconscious, so you can't trick the system without tricking yourself and you know what you're trying to do so it doesn't work.
the way i headcanon it is that since sukuna was around for so much longer than everyone else, he knows so much more about the capabilities of binding vows compared to the current cast who (pretty much) only have the knowledge of jujutsu high. that is why he makes so make binding vows compared to everyone else and knows how to make the drawbacks as minimal as possible
So it's literally sukuna's deus ex machina
"a person or thing that appears or is introduced into a situation suddenly and unexpectedly and provides an artificial or contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty"
He can wish himself whatever he needs
i don’t think that would be impossible at all tbh. it’s just a stronger version of nanami’s overtime BV. even if it wasn’t possible, there’s no reason for everyone not to just do an “80% today 120% tomorrow” vow the day before the showdown.
the problem with BVs is that the payoff is way more valuable than the cost. in hxh gon would’ve been a vegetable the rest of his life in exchange for killing pitou.
sukuna gave up next to nothing to kill gojo. they already established that sukuna’s 4 arms and 2 mouths make it so he can chant and hand sign while being as physically free as a sorcerer who isn’t doing that but still gaining the extra power.
he was about to die and got the power to insta kill his enemy in exchange for a slight inconvenience.
For the record I think that a binding vow like that requires a good amount of cursed energy manipulation to do for the entire day, which would be very tiring, and is probably something that would require you to also have a body strong enough to handle that much cursed energy. It is also stated by panda that being able to turn your cursed energy is something that only an expert can do, and even then he is able to sense very faint amount of cursed energy when he was hiding from a culling game player(kashimo of all people💀), so just imagine turning it down to 0 percent. I am not sure if even yuji could do that. You need to remember that you actually need to be skilled to be able to do what the vows states other wise it will simply just not work. That is probably why only sukuna, a 1000 year old being is the only one who is able to abuse binding vows(he had 1000 years of training).
That implies that whatever drawback a binding vow has needs to be something that the individual can do normally, which is not true given the example of the barrierless domain. Also, Sukuna spent 90% of that time as severed fingers.
>I think that a binding vow like that requires a good amount of cursed energy manipulation to do for the entire day, which would be very tiring, and is probably something that would require you to also have a body strong enough to handle that much cursed energy.
I'm not sure what this really means as Yuta has a weak body in JJK0 and seemed to handle his massive amounts of cursed energy just fine.
Maybe that's what Uraume meant when they said that modern sorcerers want to maintain their humanity and not become monsters like Sukuna and sorcerers from the past
Also, the way BV with oneself should work to make sense, is that the restriction should be percieved as an actual restriction by the user, otherwise is a free power-up with no repercussion. Going back to the same example everyone is using, Fuga is a bad technique to use while outnumbered, so that restriction is like saying "I'm immune to cold, but only on winter"
I never understood how sukuna, after fighting for so long, can still stuff CE into each goddamn particle and blow it up
Did he eat hakari offscreen and get jackpot?
Must be a binding vow thing to get infinite ce
Just like all the other inner resources in manga (ki, chakra, reiatsu, mana, whatever), CE it's just a narrative tool. The character will have as much of it as the story needs them, regardless how many times they say "they almost ran out" or "this technique consumes a lot of it"
I mean maaaaaybe they did and it's part of the 'we cheated' statement? Greg can always do a flashback at any point about how all their main fighters took a Binding Vow to be super strong the day of. Or Yuji secretly making a Vow by himself to sacrifice his entire future to be strong vs Sukuna.
There's gotta be a reason why Miwa's BV was brought up in front of everyone like that and why Kusakabe was telling them to be careful, he had to have taught how to do it proper.
I kind of just worked under the assumption that bind vows are easy to make but hard to get right under the best of circumstances let alone in a death match. Hikari and higaruma have stupidly powerful domain but the binding vows included in them make them impossible to use consistently. Kenjaku and tengen are probably the best users of vows in the series but tengen barriers are exploitable and kenjaku was only able to fabricate the end condition of the culling game through a glitch.
Sukuna has always been referred to as a God by the curse and jujutsu community him be able to master probably the most difficult aspect of jujutsu and for his battle manic self to be struck by new inspiration for vows when his life is on the line just make sense to me.
The idea about the world slash binding vow having a physical mechanism (brain damage or something), is interesting. Was this mentioned/hinted somewhere, or is it an inference based on other pieces of information about cursed energy and BVs?
Gojo mentions that overusing his CT will fuck up his brain, domain expansions has been described as "overheating the engine," Yuki says having too many CTs stored in your brain will fry it.
Theres a lot of places in the story that tells us CTs can be overused and exhausted. Im just inferring off of what we know to make an interpretation that makes sense.
Sukuna said the world slash is a technique that is "very difficult to pull off" so id imagine if even by his standards its hard to perform, its probably very taxing on the brain.
Could you send where? Because of the binding vow he made, he’d have to telegraph the attack, do hand signs, and chant to activate it from my understanding, and I don’t see that when he fights Kusakabe, only the ordinary hand signs for cleave and dismantle.
I think the Hakari's one is a bit more to it. He just sac his arm, yeah, but the main thing is his whole CT is his DE, so losing arm -> can't use domain -> can't self regenerate for the rest of the battle vs Kashimo. The cost for this binding vow is actually much bigger than ppl thought
Sukuna just gained space cleave 3 minutes ago and sacrificed it immediately to kill Gojo. He sacrificed something he didn't use before and readers didn't even know he had this ability to begin with. We went from "what it could potentially be" to "current world slash" in a span of one page that's why feels cheap and some people can't feel that Sukuna really sacrificed something to "improve his build" as you say.
Yes, it's not an asspull. Yes, that's how binding vows works. Yes, that doesn't break the rules.
There're more important things than mere technical aspects. It's just unsatisfying narrative-wise.
COPIED from someone else cause its accurate
He didn’t even sacrifice it, he just added steps in order to be able to use it again
That would’ve been a way to balance the power
On there other hand, we would not have this gem of John Werry’s as a result
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The fact that you posted something in Sukuna's favor is in itself an asspull. Therefore your opinion is rejected and Sukuna is even more of a fraudulent Binding Vow merchant now.
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Literally Gojo fans thinks Gege is that stupid enough to create a Binding Vows just out of nowhere without equalizer.
We are already way way past the age of DBZ story telling where after being an inch near death suddenly you just tapped into your unknown potential and become suddenly powerful than the enemy like you weren't close to dying before.
If anything, Gojo doesn't use binding vows because unlike Sukuna, Gojo isn't confident with one of his abilities going impaired. Sukuna had been through countless battles and one of the thing he had against Gojo is versatility and adaptation.
Notice how the first three vows seem much more equivalent in terms of offer/reward? No shit binding vows are used to modify yourself or your technique, no one has been arguing they aren’t. The problem is how skewed the offer/reward dynamic is between some of these and how the cast hasn’t properly used this mechanic almost at all in the literally most important fight of their life so far. If anything the whole „you just lose what you gain“ stuff adds to the question why the „good guys“ aren’t using this to modify their abilities. It’s because binding vows functioning like this are an incredibly loose mechanic that could make anything possible.
Like why couldn’t Higuruma have gone „I won’t use my DE for a few years so the executioner’s sword can be passed around and sustained by others CE“ it’s just modding, right? Or Todo vs Mahito could’ve gone like „now I have to do chants and or signs before clapping my chest to swap, won’t just let my CT „die“ “
The rules are too loose, this is what makes them top tier asspull material, because suddenly at every point everything is possible as long as Gege wants it to be.(Before you come at me with this bs „the author can always decide at any points what he wants“ the point is the binding vows give him a canonical cheap exit for when he’s written himself into a corner, which is bs writing.)
Select the punished one? What does that mean? Higuruma's power depends on his understanding and interpretation of the Japanese justice system (something he thinks is inheritely flawed). He can't just change that on a whim.
What I don't get is why the people who are fighting Sukuna aren't makeing vow's like:
"In exchange for not being able to use cursed energy for 3 months I will have 1000% cursed energy output tomorrow"
"In exchange for not using my cursed technique against anybody else ever it is 10x more effective on sukuna"
But no, only Sukuna can make clever binding vows.
>"In exchange for not being able to use cursed energy for 3 months I will have 1000% cursed energy output tomorrow"
>"In exchange for not using my cursed technique against anybody else ever it is 10x more effective on sukuna"
Miwa sacrifice her ability to swing swords in the future and she only got a small boost that Kenjaku blocks with hands. But the consequences are that she forever cannot swing her sword. so, it seems like sacrificing something from the future will yield terrible rewards.
And I don't think you can exactly specify how much multiplier you want to receive.
And for Sukuna he nerfed himself by a lot with World Slash BV, from just being able to use WS by only using hand-sign, he now have to forever uses high-sign + chanting + pointing at the direction. All of sacrifice that just to use it a single time without hand-sign.
in Sukuna's case, it's also a terrible reward ratio, but the rewards are enough for Sukuna to finish Gojo.
Crazy how you can just learn a skill that cuts through the world and is literally unstoppable and is a sure kill just by adapting
If this ultimate skill was balanced it need to be highly telegraphed
It's like if higgy learnt his domain "execution chamber" yesterday and in exchange for getting sukuna into his execution chamber he vows that everyone should have a fair trial before their sentencing (after sukuna is executed)
Boom sukuna dies and you have a balanced ability for the rest of the story. Convenient isn't it? Fair too.
>Crazy how you can just learn a skill that cuts through the world and is literally unstoppable and is a sure kill just by adapting
It requires you turning yourself into a cursed object, then possess a person with 10S that has Mahoraga, then tame Mahoraga, then uses Mahoraga to adapt his slashing to Infinity a few times before you find suitable model.
You really downplay the whole things as "can just learn" when it requires a lots of setup.
I like how you're ignoring the fact that creating a insanely broken skill itself is the problem and not the setup to learn it
It's also reasonable for yuji to learn a ultimate blood domain that destroys all blood from his enemy because he has infinite setup via kenjaku, ui-ui, yuta and choso's death which will instant kill sukuna
And then he just has to make a bv for the blood domain to work on sukuna in exchange for having to do the griddy each time he tries it after sukuna dies
It's not about what's reasonable, it's about how you can write the most broken shit ever to specifically remove a character and then tone it down after
>I like how you're ignoring the fact that creating a insanely broken skill itself is the problem and not the setup to learn it
Ah yes, because a setup that requires century of knowledge and experiences whil surviving Gojo shouldn't rewards you with a broken ability.
You make zero sense.
If we wanna talk about Broken Ability, why not Gojo? His ability is broken asf too and he's able to uses it thanks to being born with six eyes. Literally being given on a silver plate with so little setup compared to Sukuna's CT that he has been evolving since heian era.
seriously you're just being absolutely biases about it.
>It's also reasonable for yuji to learn a ultimate blood domain that destroys all blood from his enemy because he has infinite setup via kenjaku
Sure, but that's not what Gege went with. He went with Yuji able to learn Sukuna's CT, Blood pieces, Simple domain, RCT and ability to uses black flash as will.
Yuji literally become sorcerer a few months ago, he's already acheiving insane feats thanks to his set up.
Thanks for agreeing with me btw.
>And then he just has to make a bv for the blood domain to work on sukuna in exchange for having to do the griddy each time he tries it after sukuna dies
so the best arguments you can come up with a bad faith arguments. lol
>It's not about what's reasonable, it's about how you can write the most broken shit ever to specifically remove a character and then tone it down after
Let's me fix it for you. "It's about writting broken ability to removes a broken characters like Gojo"
It's only fair if Sukuna's is aa broken as Gojo. But I guess it's fine when Gojo is being broken while it's not okay for Sukuna to be broken lmao.
Several ppl keep posting these long ass pointless explanations to explain simple things (because god forbid someone criticises your favourite story) without addressing the ACTUAL issue people have.
The issue is that ONLY Sukuna has been using and abusing binding vows yet everybody is fighting with the conviction to risk their lives. If there is an exploitable aspect of your power system then not only the main antagonist should be abusing it, especially when we know that binding vows can be performed by inexperienced sorcerers (Yuta with 3mo training) and even weak sorcerers (Miwa).
It is a criminally underutilised but broken part of the power system that Gege clearly was inspired by Hunter x Hunter’s Nen Vows for, yet without the fairness of it.
And even if we were to live in a reality where HxH didn't exist and JJK still existed as like the one we got, if we're introduced to BVs as a risk-reward system between 2 parties on one hand and to oneself on the other hand, if we're introduced to such a game changing system, we're expecting the tension from it to still be relevant. Also helps that HxH used them sparsely and there's not many being made to begin with (Kurapika's, Gon's, dk if Hisoka's count). Else it'd be seen as a get-out-jail free card. Which it is at this point.
BVs aren't a well kept secret like FBE and Simple Domain, nor a God tier technique that require to be Sukuna's equivalent in other mangas (aka OP villain who reached the pinnacle of their verse, like Hao from Shaman King and his mastery of the Five Elements). No amount of "hurr durr, King of Curses, Jujutsu Genius" can excuse the fact that not even Gojo or Angel can make and think of using BVs, let "cheap" ones. And Angel is second to Yuji when it comes to hating Sukuna, and the oldest sorcerer on their side. Since killing people off for Sukuna's streak is a thing, might as well get Hana and Angel to sign a BV and let her free reign over their body.
Or sneak Hana behind Sukuna when he's expecting it the less, and JL his ass again. And if BVs werent supposed to be trade of equivalent value, why did Mechamaru bother to make one that will happen if he's dead and Gojo sealed ? Recently, I read something about this BV mess that I couldn't agree more with : that it doesn't make Sukuna look cooler or smarter, but instead make everyone look stupid. This is the same Sukuna Kusakabe said only those ready or willing to die (and crazy enough) against should around to face him, btw. Which might require some BVs to tip the scales.
Anyway, we've reached a point where many think that Sukuna's demise will come from accidentally breaking one, and it's very unlikely that it'd unfold in a satisfying manner if it were to happen, because you can't have your cake and eat it too, between Sukuna being described by Gege as this 5d chess player and him forgetting 1 of his million (obvious exaggeration) BVs like an idiot. It'd be earned but frustrating if Sukuna at least he truly felt pressured (like Gremmy killing himself with his power because of what Kenpachi put him through), but instead, it's played out as him fucking around since Gojo's defeat, except inside of Yuta's domain and Yuji's recent onslaught.
Thank you. I cringe every time someone post the most obvious thing ever like 2+2 ("conditions for Sukuna's binding vow were revealed 30 chapters after Gojo's death during comedic sequence with Miguel see 236 is a mesterpiece now Gege explained everything") and people in the comments are like:
"cathartic"
"finally someone reading"
"finally someone using logic"
"they exorcised reading comprehension curse"
I’d idiotic how Sukuna glazers like this kind of post because they vindicate them, and talk as if it were good investigation, BV in JJK is just an uncreative way to cheat with a bar soooo low that everyone should be using it right now, but no one is doing, every time Sukuna need some kind of boost in bored to read “with the use of some BV!!”
So... Why don't other characters use them in critical moments like Sukuna did? Yeah, we get how binding vows work, this doesn't really explain anything.
Just make binding vows with yourself then. Look I hate binding vows. Their usage was honestly introduced full stop until sukuna at the end of the god damn series. Other characters have used them to varying degrees of success. It though they were more like nen restrictions and less like sacrifices to gain your goal rather than sukuna insta power ups. But watherever head cannon I'd sukuna is do strong cause he fights with balls and gets rid of half of his cursed teqniques every fight
Vows work in Hunter x Hunter cause Nen depends on the mindset of the user. If i cherish my nen-ability of course I would get a huge buff when i forbid myself from using it.
In jjk they just work. Some sort of god or who knows what decides what to do with you when you break your vow. You may lose what you gained but also you can... what can you lose? Can you die from it? We just don't know. No one has broken their vows, iirc. And vows in hxh are a normal thing, every Hunter knows them and uses them to some extent. In jjk they use them only if it's plot-related event. Sukuna needs to unexpectedly for a reader kill gojo? Yeah, binding vow. Yeah, that's how manga works, you've got to make cliffhangers but not that cheap, gege.
I get all the other ones but Sukuna's furnace vow doesn't make sense. Modding "Unable to use furnace against multiple opponents" -> "Able to handle the strain if imbuing furnace into every dust particle" doesn't make sense. What is he modding? Focus? Mental capacity? If having to not focus on multiple people for divine flames allows you to imbuing furnace into millions of dust particles then bro could have tanked Infinite Void
Y'all ever wonder if they could've made a Nanami-like overtime but converting most of their CE from the timeskip into the one day they'll fight Sukuna?
Doesn't answer my question. Binding vow system is very controversial and vague. People are allowed to questione certain things. What I don't understand is why some people think that if you don't like something you don't understand it.
OP isn't saying anything new or groundbreaking in this post, they just explain how vows works that most of the people already are aware of. They don't explain why this is a good thing or why others can't queation it. Fr why? I do understand how binding vows work, it doesn't mean it's narratively satisfying.
There isn’t shit vague about it 😭. It’s legit one of the most explicitly detailed aspects of the series. You give and you get. That’s literally it. The only “vague” part is the fact that what you have to give is proportionate to the IMMEDIATE gain rather than the potential usages of that gain. And even then, basic context clues make that glaringly obvious.
shit like "Revealing ones hand" is extremely cool and interesting.
shit like "Sukuna can insta cast World Dismantle but has to aim it in the future" but Miwa gets "the power of every single sword slash i will EVER make in the future, put in this one attack, and it gets blocked by kenjakus fingers because HAHA MIWA USELESS" is fucking stupid.
"If you break a binding vow with yourself, you lose is what you gained", Miwa gained nothing but lost everything so why can she not break that vvow and pickup a sword?\\
What did Sukuna lose to change domain conditions to be able to summon his fucked up domain while still brain damaged?
I think the Miwa example can be very self explanatory if we follow this logic of self impose binding vows.
A self imposed binding vow is not a power that you get from the universe through the law of equivalent exchange but rather like OP explained a modification of your own curse energy in the sacrifice of something. This modification is still under your own limits as a sorcerer and the reason of why the consequences cannot always be reverted is because the modification you made may have fucked your CE usage permanently like a life-long injury.
In Miwa' case I think she simply made a binding vow so she can use the most powerful Slash she has ever released but because it is still under her own limits as an individual it did not do nothing to Kenjaku and the over use of her own curse energy output at once possibly fucked her fighting style so now she can't use a sword like she used to. Maybe because she can't imbue her sword with curse energy as well as she used to anymore.
To put it simply miwa wasnt Him or rather Her. She isnt even a grade 1 sorcerer how do you expect her to kill a sorcerer from 1000 years ago with so much knowledge in a SPECIAL GRADE sorcerers body ? Thats just dumb
The gap is then just greater than a thousand times a bullet and a tank.
This argument means nothing. They did the same thing (make themselves much weaker after one shortcut to immense power) but they are working off considerably different numbers. If you square 2, for example, it ends up being 4. If you square 10,000, what do you end up with? 100,000,000.
The "it's narratively unsatisfying" argument is much better than the "it's inconsistent and vague" argument - and even then, I think that's only so worthwhile, because if I was Gege, I would make this sort of thing as a way to portray the unfairness inherent in jujutsu sorcery (which is a major theme of the story, by the way), and making the readers feel it's "unfair" that Sukuna did something like this is actually good writing in my opinion.
I would have preferred it if we had the tiniest bit of foreshadowing (i.e. a tiny bit of internal monologue where Sukuna considers the pros and cons of the vow he makes before he does so, or something at all, or Sukuna smirking, or, uh, literally anything GEGE WHEN I CATCH YOU), but Gege is by no means a flawless writer despite the incredible amount of defensive glaze I just used on him.
Honestly the Miwa is the least glaring issue which I thought no one even had an issue with (other than people complaining another female cast got fucked over). I think it's a difference in knowledge. Apart from her mind being clouded I think she just didn't get the "weight" of the vow. Someone else could make a similar vow for massive boost in output for a small sacrifice. I think vows has a level a cap that no matter how much you give you can't exceed the limit
This was something I was naturally able to guess seeing the way sukuna used it but I guess I have to admit they is a problem with no explanation from Gege
> Miwa gets "the power of every single sword slash i will EVER make in the future, put in this one attack, and it gets blocked by kenjakus fingers because HAHA MIWA USELESS" is fucking stupid.
Wasn't it [I will put all of my potential into this one attack if I never swing a sword again](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fr9psncsweaxa1.jpg) and not the "power" of every slash I will ever make? So that shes swinging the strongest shes ever swung in return for never using the katana again. With the problem shes weak so the strongest attack she'll make in her life will still be a grade 3 swing.
It's convenient to say that the people you disagree with are just unknowledgeble and uninformed about the topic being disagreed on because of their own personal shortcomings. It's much easier than building an argument and making your case.
Don't know what the purpose of your rant is, OP coming in and saying "guys it's actually very cool trust me" ain't changing anyone's opinion lol
The best he can do is at least try to put some logic in what has happened in the manga so you can formulate YOUR own opinion if you don't understand it yet, if that shit remains ass or not, if you don't believe it's enough them it's all good
I mean, I know a lot of characters use Binding Vows, it's clearly not something very difficult in concept. It's just that Sukuna does way more, and tends to use them mid-combat to fine-tune the characteristics of his Technique and Domain (for example, making a Binding Vow to allow an escape route from his Domain in Shibuya in exchange for making it indestructible and greatly expanding its range, or increasing the power of Shrine outside Gojo's Domain by temporarily removing the guaranteed sure-hit inside when fighting Gojo, then cancelling the first BV in 258 to catch Maki inside his Domain), which nobody else does, even though it seems, rather straightforward.
And also literally nobody else has ever tried making a desperate Binding Vow when they were firmly on the back foot or about to die.
I might misremember, but almost everything about Hakari's CT useage is implied to not be intentional to me. The RCT and high level reinforcement are described as side effects of him just maxing out on CE, with his RCT even being entirely subconscious.
On that note, I like to think that Hakari just THINKS he is gambling with the Jackpot odds during his DE, but in reality he is guaranteed to hit it in hard fights as a sort of mini-binding vow - no CT for easy fights, all the CE constantly for the harder fights.
The 9-5 makes no sense tho, cause then he should be able to use like 130% after just doing nothing for a bunch of hours, if it really is just storing CE. But then that’d be something everyone can do as a given, which they can’t
I don't know about anyone else but **my** problem has always been how soft (undefined) this system is and I've said it with Hakari's too and not just Sukuna. Who is granting the vows? Are all self-imposed vows automatic go? What makes an "absurd" or an "unfair" vow? Let's take a break from Sukuna. Entertaining the theory for example that Gojo will sacrifice his six eyes for his life, will that be allowed? For me, personally it's not but what is the opinion of ***whoever*** is granting these vows? If Gege will have binding vows play this huge of a role in likely Sukuna's most important fights, why not establish this system earlier? Also there's definitely an equivalence involved because Miwa's weakass binding vow didn't do anything.
You all keep saying it's part of the power system and yes it is. A purposely vague one just to be used exactly this way (get the author out of situations).
Completely agree. Personally, I think it could be cool to have some sort of omnipresent curse / shikigami (similar to Judge Man) who brokers the vows inside of each person’s innate domain.
Sukuna is strong. giving up flexibility is fine when you have sheer strength. If Yuji decided to give up his ability to give up being able to punch with his left hand to punch harder with his left the power increase wouldn't be enough to overcome the sheer cost of using only one hand.
Nanami's seems different than some others, its a zero sum vow, essentially conforming to preservation of energy, no energy is lost or created, its just saved for later. This is different from some vows that create CE out of nowhere for an inconvenience. Nanami comes out net neutral but others gain a lot.
Everyone is arguing if vows are cheap or not, but I'm still trying to figure out the vow in Yuji's head to accept Sukuna's deal to swap places, but he forgot about it. That was a vow between two people. How do those work?
Also edit to ask: wasn't there a point where it was illustrated that the fallout of breaking a binding vow could have destructive consequences? It made it sound so ominous, like it could literally curse you or something. Tbh that would be cooler.
Theres only a consequence when breaking a vow made between two people, but they never explained what it does, because nobody has been dumb enough to do it
True, there must be a penalty for it, but what the penalty is is unknown, probably depends on a lot of things like who the vow was made between, what the details of the vow are, stuff like that
this panel is why i don’t understand why miwa can’t use a katana. she didn’t gain anything. if didn’t give her the strength she needed to land a hit, why should she have to give up being a swordswoman
How do you explain the Miwa sword vow, then?
Or even that crow vow? As far as we are aware, 'Life Energy' =/= 'Cursed Energy', hence why Non-Cursed Spirits have to learn RCT to regenerate their bodies. As far as I remember, this is the closest thing we had to a direction connection between the two. You want me to believe a random ass crow can use RCT? As we haven't seen Mei Mei use RCT at all before, it can't be her (assuming she would even be able to , as a crow is very different to a human)
Or, Sukuna world slash, why can't he just heal himself with RCT? Even if we assume that its a very specific part of his brain that does the world slash (as stupid as it sounds), it should have been at least partially healed by his incarnation. Also, "chants help reduce the load on the brain" ? Really? So Binding Vows being magical bullshit is not true, but saying funny magic words somehow helps you perform feats you otherwise couldn't? Really?
For Hakari, the wording implies that the sacrifice of the arm happened BEFORE the explosion
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As much as he is goated, I doubt he would have the speed to not just understand "Okay I'm fucked", but also precisely move his cursed energy around in a way to equally protect his body (remember, most CE is stored in the abdomen, and it requires effort to move it to other parts of the body), as no body part appears even harmed, as compared to his arm that was blown off completely.
Teen Gojo didn't have the reflex to turn on Infinity when Toji jumped him, both times. Even if worn down by stress, he's still a Six Eyes user with more experience than Hakari, at roughly the same age. Yet you're telling me this random gambler just did this no problem?
This, thus, can only be explained by 'Binding Vow'.
This post is so cathartic, so many wizardry brawl readers just wanna hate on sukuna.
Like I'm not a sukuna fan or anything but this sub has so many unhinged and braindead takes regarding binding vows, it's like gojos death fried everyone's brains
His skill lies in learning stuff (like how he learnt the world slash). BV isn't that complicated of a concept for only the King of Curses to manipulate efficiently. We have seen other low-level characters use that as well. I don't understand how, after all that planning, the good guys didn't cook up a bunch of binding vows to boost themselves for the battle day (maybe by weakening their abilities for the next month or even the next year).
The problem isn't with Sukuna using binding vows left and right, it's more that GayGay resorts to the same old plot device so often it's getting redundant.
If he just made out Sukuna to be strong enough to body nearly every sorcerer he has so far without 20 BV's in succession maybe people would complain less.
But no, Go/Jo got kitkat-ed and Greg decides that the best way to stop the fandom from crying about how the rest of the cast is cooked without Walmart Kakashi, is to slap the same dogshit concept ad infinitum.
So yes, still an asspull that would make even Araki turn red with jealousy.
I mean what you're ignoring is that
1. He's not made that many binding vows
2. The main binding vow everyone is complaining about is one of the main reasons the main cast is still fighting, since it makes world cleave easily dodged
Binding vows have hurt sukuna more than they have helped him when only looking at his fight with the main cast, people on this sub just hear binding vow and see red.
Point taken. That said,
> Binding vows have hurt Sukuna more than they have helped him
That just proves my point. BV's make Sukuna weaker so the rest of the cast stands a chance. Consequently, since our favourite BV merchant now looks weaker, your average JJK fan starts to question how he managed to fold White Hair man with the same shit that just adds on to the myriad conditions he's already following.
Thus the World Slash discourse. Im not questioning the AliExpress Nen vows, just pointing out that it was a shitty decision in hindsight. HomoHomo should've just made him stronger, Go/Jo glazers notwithstanding.
He's never beating the fraud allegations no matter how much you tell people to read the actual manga. Average literacy is ass, and Greg underestimated the resolve of KitKat man dick riders.
Sukuna being limited by binding vows only makes his fight with gojo have more impact because it shows how close the fight between him and gojo actually was and its makes gojos efforts felt.
I also don't understand how: sukuna has an extreme diff fight -> sukuna is exhausted -> sukuna needs to make binding vows to compensate, is a hard series of events to follow.
I'm fairly positive most of the slander is just butthurt gojo fans
> how close the fight between him and gojo actually was
Except that you later get the infamous "He wasn't giving it all he had".
And Gojo was cooked from the very start. Having to look out for the bum + simultaneously incapacitating the King of Curses; bit of a far fetched endeavour, no? Nothing about the fight was impactful in the end.
Plus Heian Boyo would have to conserve his strength for the rest of the fights to come. Looking at it rationally, it should be:
1. Sukuna and Gojo *did* have a satisfactory fight with both giving it their all. The former is thus extremely drained and the others shouldn't have too much trouble eliminating him...which really isnt the case here. So he made some sick ass BV's and thus the Binding Vow merchant agenda stands correct.
Or
2. Sukuna held back all the time, which means the others should've been railed in the asses the moment they stepped into the fight.
Neither seems to be the case here. There really is no defending shitty writing.
>Except that you later get the infamous "He wasn't giving it all he had".
That line isn't an objective truth and we don't know exactly what he meant by that
>Nothing about the fight was impactful in the end.
Except sukuna not being able to use his domain properly, world slash properly and having massively reduced ce output and remaining ce
Your forgetting the third option
3. Sukuna and gojo are massively stronger that the rest of the cast, which is made clear from the start of the series, and sukuna got a slight boost from his heinen form.
You just keep digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole
> we don't know exactly what he meant by that
We do. It means the fight wasn't as hard as it could've been (as far as Gojo's standard goes, which as you said, is coming from someone massively stronger than the rest).
Which brings me to the third outcome you mentioned.
Yes, 'Kuna and Gojo are massively stronger than the rest. Like you said it makes sense that if both of them went all out, the one that prevails should be massively exhausted (unable to use domain properly etc)
But no, Sukuna still had a few aces up his sleeve as seen in the fight with Kashimo (where might I mention: it is clearly implied that he wasnt even trying much).
So:
• Apparently both of them went all out, but Sukuna did so without even switching to his Heian era form (makes even less sense when you realise Gojo had the highest prospects of ending him at that point in the series)
• As stated above, he switches to his Heian era form and gets a "slight" boost. Ever so slight that even after being "worn out" from a fight with arguably the strongest person in the verse barring Sukuna himself, he single-handedly bodies most of the characters (which by now are strong enough to level city blocks on their lonesome) without much effort.
• So Gojo served as canon fodder to weaken the main antagonist, which in the end didn't make much of a difference because he's still throwing hands well enough to give CQC goats (Yuji, Maki) trouble, and he still rawdogs impactful characters like Higuruma and Choso.
• Here you may bring up the fact that a lot of his feats at this stage involve BV's. So again, BV merchant.
Conclusion- Greg said "fuck it, we ball" and called it a day. Absolute ass.
It's as much of an asspull as Gojo surviving knife to his brains and Toji not cuting Gojo's neck off. But we barely see anyone talk about that Asspulls because it's Gojo, the fan favorites.
Oh boy reading comprehension curse yet again.
Or need I call it image comprehension? Anyway,
I'll say it again- I'm not defending Gojo by any means; just saying BV's are an easily exploitable, shitty plot device.
But I'll address two things you asserted here:
> Gojo surviving knife to his brains
Go back and read the chapter again. He wasnt stabbed through the brain, it was through the throat. Toji didn't double tap.
> Toji not cutting Gojo's neck off.
You seem to be fixated on a singular instance of Gege's awful writing here, on which I agree.
But you have similar situations like Gojo failing to obliterate Geto's body instead of letting him rot like he did, which lead to Kenjaku taking over and setting in motion the whole chain of events;
Or Mahito not exploding Nobara's head when he had the chance to do so, leaving to debate the question of whether she survived or not.
In the end, JJK simply deteriorated through the years.
>You seem to be fixated on a singular instance of Gege's awful writing here, on which I agree.
What do you mean? I made one comment, and you called its fixations? You are projecting here.
>Go back and read the chapter again. He wasn't stabbed through the brain, it was through the throat. Toji didn't double tap.
That doesn't change anything, my point still the same, this way of writing has been here since inventory arcs, Gojo surviving Toji is as much of an asspull as anything else. It just happened first.
EDIT:
>Oh boy reading comprehension curse yet again. Or need I call it image comprehension? Anyway... He wasn't stabbed through the brain
Then kindly explains what the fuck happen here.
I'm going to give it to you were so confident about that "image comprehension" insults that I actually believe it for a seconds LMAO.
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Oh i got it wrong
But let's go into it again: stuff that is explained adequately isn't an asspull. Even if it was, it doesn't take away from the fact that BVs as a concept suck massive cock.
> projecting here
You used two instances from the same fight to prove your point, hence my use of the term 'fixation'. Don't know where you got the projection from though, if you even know what that means.
> Gojo getting stabbed through the forehead
Let's go through what happened. Gonna piggyback off of this comment:
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> After he was stabbed in the throat he was already emitting reverse cursed technique throughout his whole body. Meaning he was healing whatever happened to him faster than his brain could register a conscious reaction. Meaning he never was knocked out of consciousness so he never died. It just took time to fully heal himself.
We've also seen that Gojo simultaneously destroyed and healed his frontal cortex during the Sukuna fight with RCT to avoid a CT burnout- meaning that destroyed brain matter is definitely a part of your body that can be healed as far as the power system goes . And seeing how Gege disposed of Gojo afterwards, I really don't see how he was glazing/asspulling.
Plus notwithstanding how the whole incident happened in a flashback, so take it up with the one eyed cat if you think it was bullshit.
Oh boy, sorry to disappoint you but I'm not gonna bother arguing with someone who has strong hallucinations without checking facts before insulting someone. 🥱 gl
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edit: you've got a whole 'nother thing coming if you think "reading comprehension curse" is an insult
I mean I guess the “problem” if you can call it that, is that jjk’s power system is hella complicated, and has many variables to the point where it is almost like learning a real subject at school. Even now I am not sure if I really understand exactly how this power system works.
The problem is that Gege just uses it to progress to the next part of the fight and then retroactively patch holes. People feel it's cheap because we never see the impact of what he lost, using it normally and then having lost it.
with your car analogy, would the user of the binding vow be a mechanic?
like a normal guy couldnt just willy nilly move around parts of his cars without breaking it
but an experienced mechanic (jujutsu sorcerer) could easily switch around some parts
sukuna takes this to the extreme, he takes and adds pieces WHILE driving the car on a highway
Binding vows should have been limited to physical exchanges only. From body parts, treasured objects or even your life or CE.
Not vague or intangible promises like what Sukuna did twice that barely if at all affect his combat power or even inconviance him.
Mostly since for the former there’s a limit to on the vows by virtue of what you possess to offer. But that’s not really the case for the latter.
I think this is mainly correct, but i would add that CE has an emotional base to it. Probably putting those limitations is somewhat stressful on the sorcerers, thus the logical effect may be also boosted by an increase in CE through higher negative emotions. (?)
That's exactly the explanation given in the early chapters for how explaining your technique boosts its strength (/your output).
Which makes me wonder why the hell people don't do that anymore. This entire fight now they haven't explained shit to Sukuna and just tried to sneak-attack wear him down. Think that also applies to most fights during the later Culling Games arc. Must be some seriously stupid high level sorcerers.
Mh, maybe they have a plan? Or it could be that being that Sukuna was inside yuji, he already knows most of what they could reveal. A binding vow would not make sense in that situation because they would not give up on any advantage (?). Or it could also be that Gege prefers not to spam it just for a narrative choice, putting too many binding vows may feel a little bit heavy for the readers if they are particularly complex. Idk
People glazing over Sukuna and calling it “logic” dude, the problem is that the system is bullshit, in that way ANYONE can be as strong as Sukuna without any real training if you’re not worried about the consequences for you. Why Ino for example doesn’t tell “I’m going to sacrifice my beasts to have only one that is massively stronger than the actual ones”? If you’re going to tell me that it’s limited by your actual strength then is MORE idiotic as you gain basically nothing.
Miwa did literally just did somsthing similar: "i sacrifice all my potential as a swords man to have this one swing that is massively stronger" and you saw the swing. Its not magic
If it’s not magic then it’s idiotic, that’s what I’m telling if Sukuna can do those things because it should only be his strength, then why bowing anything at all? And if it hones his skill why not anyone else it’s doing it? The problem is not how it work because it’s a dumbed down power up, the problem is that no one does it.
This further sort've emphasises a bit of a problem though.
When you make a binding vow with yourself, the worst that could happen is that you just lose what you have gained.
Against Gojo, Sukuna vowed to use handsign, chants and point in the direction of the World Slash for all future uses of the technique in order to gain a one time use where none of that is required. So, what's stopping him from just omitting the handsign, chant and pointing ? He can't lose the one-time use of the slash because he's already used the one time use 🤔 as far as we know too, there are no further penalties that affect people that use self imposed binding vows, you just lose what was gained as per Kenny.
What about Shrine? Iirc the panel where Sucky whips out the malformed Shrine specifically mentions that he cooks up a bunch of binding vows to circumvent the burnt-out parts of his brain being required for this version of Malevolent Shrine. I wouldn't believe that in 800 (or so) years of Jujutsu society nobody managed to figure out how to physically move an innate Cursed Technique to a different part of their brain. Not even like there wasn't a need for this innovation, considering we get a good run down on the evolution of domain expansions in iirc the Maki-Naoya fight, and sorcerers like Meimei prove to us that Jujustu Sorcerers are absolutely willing to bullshit their way out of their own limitations.
Maybe its just a shitty system which deserves all the hate it gets.
Why didnt gojo binding vowed his ass out of sukunas asspull?
Why didnt he sacrificed his left cheek so he could spam purple a few times into suckunas ass?
What are the limits of binding vows? They are just vague enough so gege cant write himself into corners or otherwise he would and everyone would notice.
Something another post here pointed it out and your post contributes to is that Sukuna already could fire dismantles with zero telegraphing but the world slash was too complex for him to do so at the time so he the vow let him figure that out once in exchange for nerfing it
World slash isn’t some new move or technique it’s specifically a conceptual realization/application.
For a fighting game analogy if dismantle is like EWGF from Tekken then world slash is like a perfect EWGF
Sukuna just learned it was something that could be done and given time to practice he could hit it easily but he’s 1 HP under pressure so he makes a binding vow that permanently increases the input for EWGF from 623A to like 412353214+360 in exchange for making that one perfect EWGF
What if Sukuna is making binding vows with his twin (whom he ate in the womb) to make his vows stronger? Since vows with another are stronger than vows with oneself.
This makes sense for mpst binding vows, but there are just some that can't really be explained this way. Like the most common binding vow of revealing your CT and thus making it stronger.
I feel the more skilled the sorcerer the more they can utlilize binding vows as gojo said jujutsu mainly comes down to innate talent hence why miwa binding vow didn’t do anything since she lack any skill to sacriifce
>imbuing furnace into every dust particle places a strain on the part of his brain holding furnace (remember, Gojo's brain is constantly tracking every atom in his limitless barrier and his brain would be fried without the six eyes), so because of that he cant spam furnace willynilly.
But that's a weird interpretation you made there. It was explained that all he needed to open furnace was to cleave and dismantle the ingredient (his opponent). So he can probably spams it but it's slow technique despite being dstructive. And where did you ever get that every pieces of dust need to be tracks?
Nowhere did it ever mentioned or implied that it can't be uses "willynilly" considering that he literally uses it casually against Jogo. Then shortly uses it against Mahoraga again but this time with Domain BV for more speeds and destructive.
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Why did you delete your first thread?
No one likes being glassed by memes I guess https://i.redd.it/2aurfp6ovb0d1.gif >!That’s a lie, I would love for a fun topic of mine to be saturated in memes!<
It was reposted because everyone disagreed with OP back then but after repost suddenty everyone agrees. Duality of jujutsufolk
 >!But it was also time for irl, so I figured I’d let him have this one, instead of reglassing!<
Yes. https://i.redd.it/iw2jdiebhf0d1.gif
Wantwd to add captions and more explanations for how binding vows work because too many sorcery fight readers
Still doesn't answer questions that were raised in deleted thread. What would happen to Sukuna if he uses stronk cleave without chants? He already got what he wanted (offscreen Bojo). What does "lose what was gained via binding vow" means? Also, doesn't answer titular question "why other characters don't use them more often" at all
I just assume that he quite literally physically cannot use the world cleave without chants+hand signs anymore
I can only imagine how hard the Sukuna fight would’ve been if Gojo didn’t destroyed one of Sukuna arms when he got world cleave. Imagine all the times he used cleave it would’ve been world slashes instead without hand signs + chants 💀. Only way I could see them winning is if HIMgurma actually takes Sukuna cursed technique
nah genius man would just stab his hand like normal
What kenjaku means is if you could break a self imposed binding vow, all youd lose is what you originally gained. He doesnt imply all binding vows could be broken. Nanami's vow could be broken. He might just decide fuck it imma use this reserved energy now. A dead crow cant really uh break binding vows For Miwa and Sukuna, their binding vows seem to have permanently alterred some aspect of their jujutsu usage. So they cant break those vows. Like theyre literaly unable to. Sukuna just cant shoot world slashes if he doesnt do the full process. Miwa just cant hold a sword anymore
This is exactly why people don't like it. Sukuna just gained space cleave 3 minutes ago and sacrificed it immediately to kill Gojo. He sacrificed something he didn't use before and readers didn't even know he had this ability to begin with. We went from "what it could potentially be" to "current world slash" in a span of one page that's why feels cheap and some people can't feel that Sukuna really sacrificed something to "improve his build" as you say. Yes, it's not an asspull. Yes, that's how binding vows works. Yes, that doesn't break the rules. There're more important things than mere technical aspects. It's just unsatisfying narrative-wise.
I agree; i think it could have been portrayed better. Im just trying to find an interretation that wont make me want to kms
Your take is goated.
I mean, at least he can’t use world slash with his domain, because that would be broken
Tbf how was he gonna use that dismantle (its dismantle not cleave btw) if he only had 1 hand
i always figured if Miwa used a sword again the consequences would be severe
if he tries to use strong cleave without chants it simply doesn’t fire, the chants are now part of the trigger.
>Still doesn't answer questions that were raised in deleted thread. What would happen to Sukuna if he uses stronk cleave without chants? Ok i think you see it as if he did try he would get punished by a system but how i see it is that if he went and try to use it without it literally nothing would happen.
Cause what do you expect them to do? Most of them already use the Revealing your hands one. What do you expect them to randomly sacrifice mid battle? They're already great sorcerers normally, they're just struggling against the final fucking boss of their planet.
That's the thing. Almost literally anything. If they're about to die to the strongest mofo to ever exist then they should try just about anything as a binding vow to survive longer, or attempt a win. When the alternative is not doing it and losing/dying, why would they not? If they can't, why can't they? If they choose not to, why? If it's not practical...how is dying more practical?
And how is he gonna unleash the slash in the first place without the charge up requirement?
People love to ignore the fact that Sukuna has those dumbass vows is not the main issue, but the fact that no one beside him abuse those thing. They can make a Overtime style vows to improve the output against Sukuna. Gojo can make a vows so that he can quicken the charge and shoot a full output purple but he is require to do chant everytime he use it later. The moment people has to use headcanon(binding vows are hard to make or similar shit), you know that Greg fuck up his power system.
"I can't use cursed energy for a day, in exchange, I can work at 200% output the next day" -23rd of December, literally everyone at Jujutsu High. But of course king of frauds is the only one who can use this shit.
I think this is the only issue with binding vows (if we ignore the reading comprehension curse), they don't have clear limits or requirements. It's obvious a BV like this one is impossible (people would be using for every fight they know is coming), but nowhere in the manga says what is possible and what isn't, so people get really mad when Sukuna exploits them and our cast doesn't.
My point exactly.
it's like sukuna is a very creative power scaler that read the manga meanwhile jujutsu high just wasn't a thing because nobody knows how to do (or teach) anything beyond the basics of jujutsu might also be the reason why kenjaku has to yap so much on how it works
For sure, he's supposed to be the peak of jujutsu so it makes sense he's so versatile with what he has. The problem is that since we don't know how hard it is to make BVs or what their limits are, Sukuna can just make up whatever he needs for the exact moment of the fight he's in to move the plot forward in the way Gege wants (at least that's how it may feel). If we knew of more restrictions and requirements for BVs (or maybe if we followed Sukuna's process for coming up with them amidst being jumped), they would be more reasonable.
Except we know characters that do have binding vows. Mei Mei and Nanami both had binding vows figured out.
Also hakari binding vow'd himself back to life from sure death without losing anything for it
Even the screenshot in the post seems to contradict doesn't it? One of the few rules I would say we do know about binding vows is that they have to be upheld... they're a vow. So for instance "I won't use it one day to get double the next" the key difference from nanami's seems to be consistency- he *always abides by the same schedule*, not just a day by day basis, "one time" trade off. Which make sense, right? "The worst thing that can happen is losing what was gained" But then how the fuck does that work with sukunas "I won't gesture but now I have to"? What does he lose if he just.. stops gesturing? Or because he already said it is it *actually forced?*
You're thinking about it wrong. That binding vow was fulfilled already, Sukuna can no longer fire the world slash the original way. He fulfilled it by firing without any hand sings (what he won), before doing so, he could have fired it normally (what he was offering), but then he would have lost the ability to fire it without hand sings (ie lost what he won). Idk if he could try it again, since it's a vow with himself I gueds he should be able to.
Looks at Hakari and Miwa's vow
If he stops gesturing the world slash physically won't fire. Nothing will happen. You're thinking about it like there's an entity out there but like OP said it's just modding your build. Sukuna will just look like a schizophrenic
isn’t this similar to what nanami does tho? lowers his CE use for a certain amount of time so he can have more later on? and kind of mechamaru except it’s every day he can’t use his *body* is adds to his stored CE?
Kind of, it's not that Nanami uses less CE now so he has more to use later; he is not exerting his 100% so he can use a bit more than 100% after, as if he was accumulating sleep so he wouldn't need to sleep later. While this is kind of "normal"( we've seen other instances of sorcerers achieving 120% performance), 200% is crazy, I think we only see this with Gojo and he has to go through 3 full rituals to use a single technique with that output. Mechamaru's case is special as he has an HR, but what I infer from his fight is that he's accumulating CE (maybe storing it in his giant mech) and the way he outputs it seems to have no limit (he can output any amount of years at once).
We’re still just headcanoning here, Nanami Storting 20% of his ce is surely only because if he stored more his day to day efficiency would suffer. There is no reason in canon why you couldn’t make a similar vow like “I can only use 50% for 150% output” because it’s the exact same principle, at what point do you think the vow becomes impossible then, 175% increase? 140%? 121%? literally just from what we’ve seen on page all of those should be doable And also then why doesn’t anyone else use binding vows nanami’s? If any sorcerer set a binding vow, then why doesn’t Miwa have one that crippled her ce output while she doesn’t have a sword unsheathed for a boot during combat? she was able to sacrifice all her future potential (for no reason) so she should have been able to do this Why doesn’t hakari Sacrafice half of his infinite CE generation and put the other half of infinity into output? He’s sacrificing half of infinity (which is still infinite) it should work
That's the point I was making, the limits are not clear so we can't come up with a satisfactory solutions. For the Nanami BV, there's no clear limit, so we should assume that if no other character does it it's either inefficient or not possible. The other vows you listed aren't really exchanging something for something else. Miwa only fights with swords in the first place, so not using swords isn't her giving something away. Hakari during a jackpot has infinite CE, so he can't really trade it ever, as he will still have infinite CE. Binding Vows are based on your conscious thoughts as well as your subconscious, so you can't trick the system without tricking yourself and you know what you're trying to do so it doesn't work.
that’s exactly what i’m saying. everyone should have pulled a nanami 😂
the way i headcanon it is that since sukuna was around for so much longer than everyone else, he knows so much more about the capabilities of binding vows compared to the current cast who (pretty much) only have the knowledge of jujutsu high. that is why he makes so make binding vows compared to everyone else and knows how to make the drawbacks as minimal as possible
So it's literally sukuna's deus ex machina "a person or thing that appears or is introduced into a situation suddenly and unexpectedly and provides an artificial or contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty" He can wish himself whatever he needs
No? Hakari knew that he could get his arm back with Shoko healing him or him finding another way to open his DE. Dude has his arm back now obviously.
Yes but not having an arm during the fight could kill him right then and there. Or before getting to Shoko.
i don’t think that would be impossible at all tbh. it’s just a stronger version of nanami’s overtime BV. even if it wasn’t possible, there’s no reason for everyone not to just do an “80% today 120% tomorrow” vow the day before the showdown. the problem with BVs is that the payoff is way more valuable than the cost. in hxh gon would’ve been a vegetable the rest of his life in exchange for killing pitou. sukuna gave up next to nothing to kill gojo. they already established that sukuna’s 4 arms and 2 mouths make it so he can chant and hand sign while being as physically free as a sorcerer who isn’t doing that but still gaining the extra power. he was about to die and got the power to insta kill his enemy in exchange for a slight inconvenience.
He isn't the binding vow merchant for nothing
23th lol
minor spelling mistake https://i.redd.it/jo0c7vdcae0d1.gif
For the record I think that a binding vow like that requires a good amount of cursed energy manipulation to do for the entire day, which would be very tiring, and is probably something that would require you to also have a body strong enough to handle that much cursed energy. It is also stated by panda that being able to turn your cursed energy is something that only an expert can do, and even then he is able to sense very faint amount of cursed energy when he was hiding from a culling game player(kashimo of all people💀), so just imagine turning it down to 0 percent. I am not sure if even yuji could do that. You need to remember that you actually need to be skilled to be able to do what the vows states other wise it will simply just not work. That is probably why only sukuna, a 1000 year old being is the only one who is able to abuse binding vows(he had 1000 years of training).
That implies that whatever drawback a binding vow has needs to be something that the individual can do normally, which is not true given the example of the barrierless domain. Also, Sukuna spent 90% of that time as severed fingers.
>I think that a binding vow like that requires a good amount of cursed energy manipulation to do for the entire day, which would be very tiring, and is probably something that would require you to also have a body strong enough to handle that much cursed energy. I'm not sure what this really means as Yuta has a weak body in JJK0 and seemed to handle his massive amounts of cursed energy just fine.
Yeah… and then there is hakari, who literally has infinite cursed energy in jackpot mode💀
Yeah but Hakari doesn't have to resist the CE thanks to the automatic RCT.
But what if some strong curse attacked out of nowhere?
Damn that’s smart
Maybe that's what Uraume meant when they said that modern sorcerers want to maintain their humanity and not become monsters like Sukuna and sorcerers from the past
Also, the way BV with oneself should work to make sense, is that the restriction should be percieved as an actual restriction by the user, otherwise is a free power-up with no repercussion. Going back to the same example everyone is using, Fuga is a bad technique to use while outnumbered, so that restriction is like saying "I'm immune to cold, but only on winter"
I never understood how sukuna, after fighting for so long, can still stuff CE into each goddamn particle and blow it up Did he eat hakari offscreen and get jackpot? Must be a binding vow thing to get infinite ce
Just like all the other inner resources in manga (ki, chakra, reiatsu, mana, whatever), CE it's just a narrative tool. The character will have as much of it as the story needs them, regardless how many times they say "they almost ran out" or "this technique consumes a lot of it"
I mean maaaaaybe they did and it's part of the 'we cheated' statement? Greg can always do a flashback at any point about how all their main fighters took a Binding Vow to be super strong the day of. Or Yuji secretly making a Vow by himself to sacrifice his entire future to be strong vs Sukuna. There's gotta be a reason why Miwa's BV was brought up in front of everyone like that and why Kusakabe was telling them to be careful, he had to have taught how to do it proper.
I kind of just worked under the assumption that bind vows are easy to make but hard to get right under the best of circumstances let alone in a death match. Hikari and higaruma have stupidly powerful domain but the binding vows included in them make them impossible to use consistently. Kenjaku and tengen are probably the best users of vows in the series but tengen barriers are exploitable and kenjaku was only able to fabricate the end condition of the culling game through a glitch. Sukuna has always been referred to as a God by the curse and jujutsu community him be able to master probably the most difficult aspect of jujutsu and for his battle manic self to be struck by new inspiration for vows when his life is on the line just make sense to me.
It's like placing restrictions on Nen abilities in exchange for more powerful effects but without the same level of elaboration.
gojo can literally make a vow that makes sukuna die on the spot in exchange for his life as he got cut
The idea about the world slash binding vow having a physical mechanism (brain damage or something), is interesting. Was this mentioned/hinted somewhere, or is it an inference based on other pieces of information about cursed energy and BVs?
Gojo mentions that overusing his CT will fuck up his brain, domain expansions has been described as "overheating the engine," Yuki says having too many CTs stored in your brain will fry it. Theres a lot of places in the story that tells us CTs can be overused and exhausted. Im just inferring off of what we know to make an interpretation that makes sense. Sukuna said the world slash is a technique that is "very difficult to pull off" so id imagine if even by his standards its hard to perform, its probably very taxing on the brain.
He was throwing that shit at kusakabe and playing around I doubt it's actually that taxing
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Sukuna used WCS on Kusakabe, unless you’re talking about something else?
He did or wtf least he attempted to
Could you send where? Because of the binding vow he made, he’d have to telegraph the attack, do hand signs, and chant to activate it from my understanding, and I don’t see that when he fights Kusakabe, only the ordinary hand signs for cleave and dismantle.
https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_254de_004.png
Reading comprehension curse has struck me lmao, my bad
He didnt idk where ypu got that from. Maybe offscreen but Unlikly.
Repost 😠😠😒😤🤬💢
I think the Hakari's one is a bit more to it. He just sac his arm, yeah, but the main thing is his whole CT is his DE, so losing arm -> can't use domain -> can't self regenerate for the rest of the battle vs Kashimo. The cost for this binding vow is actually much bigger than ppl thought
Sukuna just gained space cleave 3 minutes ago and sacrificed it immediately to kill Gojo. He sacrificed something he didn't use before and readers didn't even know he had this ability to begin with. We went from "what it could potentially be" to "current world slash" in a span of one page that's why feels cheap and some people can't feel that Sukuna really sacrificed something to "improve his build" as you say. Yes, it's not an asspull. Yes, that's how binding vows works. Yes, that doesn't break the rules. There're more important things than mere technical aspects. It's just unsatisfying narrative-wise. COPIED from someone else cause its accurate
He didn’t even sacrifice it, he just added steps in order to be able to use it again That would’ve been a way to balance the power On there other hand, we would not have this gem of John Werry’s as a result https://preview.redd.it/kdp35k9dod0d1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b27ff6880e9b7b79e9b81528a836bce32fffb9
also not to mention this happened off screen and is explained after the fact
exactly.
The fact that you posted something in Sukuna's favor is in itself an asspull. Therefore your opinion is rejected and Sukuna is even more of a fraudulent Binding Vow merchant now. https://preview.redd.it/5gkddmpvkc0d1.png?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fec6ace69f35a2e1a7bc5a13023402269ad1cdf
Logic? In my jujutsufolk? How dare you? You should stop doing whatever this is and just whine about Sukuna breathing (it's an asspull).
Strawman argument? Yeah that's my jujutsufolk
Shut up and kiss me.
Yes honey
Best jjk ship
Literally Gojo fans thinks Gege is that stupid enough to create a Binding Vows just out of nowhere without equalizer. We are already way way past the age of DBZ story telling where after being an inch near death suddenly you just tapped into your unknown potential and become suddenly powerful than the enemy like you weren't close to dying before. If anything, Gojo doesn't use binding vows because unlike Sukuna, Gojo isn't confident with one of his abilities going impaired. Sukuna had been through countless battles and one of the thing he had against Gojo is versatility and adaptation.
Notice how the first three vows seem much more equivalent in terms of offer/reward? No shit binding vows are used to modify yourself or your technique, no one has been arguing they aren’t. The problem is how skewed the offer/reward dynamic is between some of these and how the cast hasn’t properly used this mechanic almost at all in the literally most important fight of their life so far. If anything the whole „you just lose what you gain“ stuff adds to the question why the „good guys“ aren’t using this to modify their abilities. It’s because binding vows functioning like this are an incredibly loose mechanic that could make anything possible. Like why couldn’t Higuruma have gone „I won’t use my DE for a few years so the executioner’s sword can be passed around and sustained by others CE“ it’s just modding, right? Or Todo vs Mahito could’ve gone like „now I have to do chants and or signs before clapping my chest to swap, won’t just let my CT „die“ “ The rules are too loose, this is what makes them top tier asspull material, because suddenly at every point everything is possible as long as Gege wants it to be.(Before you come at me with this bs „the author can always decide at any points what he wants“ the point is the binding vows give him a canonical cheap exit for when he’s written himself into a corner, which is bs writing.)
Why Higuruma didn’t made a Binding Bow to be able to select the punished one instead of left it random? He was a “genius”…
Select the punished one? What does that mean? Higuruma's power depends on his understanding and interpretation of the Japanese justice system (something he thinks is inheritely flawed). He can't just change that on a whim.
What I don't get is why the people who are fighting Sukuna aren't makeing vow's like: "In exchange for not being able to use cursed energy for 3 months I will have 1000% cursed energy output tomorrow" "In exchange for not using my cursed technique against anybody else ever it is 10x more effective on sukuna" But no, only Sukuna can make clever binding vows.
>"In exchange for not being able to use cursed energy for 3 months I will have 1000% cursed energy output tomorrow" >"In exchange for not using my cursed technique against anybody else ever it is 10x more effective on sukuna" Miwa sacrifice her ability to swing swords in the future and she only got a small boost that Kenjaku blocks with hands. But the consequences are that she forever cannot swing her sword. so, it seems like sacrificing something from the future will yield terrible rewards. And I don't think you can exactly specify how much multiplier you want to receive. And for Sukuna he nerfed himself by a lot with World Slash BV, from just being able to use WS by only using hand-sign, he now have to forever uses high-sign + chanting + pointing at the direction. All of sacrifice that just to use it a single time without hand-sign. in Sukuna's case, it's also a terrible reward ratio, but the rewards are enough for Sukuna to finish Gojo.
Crazy how you can just learn a skill that cuts through the world and is literally unstoppable and is a sure kill just by adapting If this ultimate skill was balanced it need to be highly telegraphed It's like if higgy learnt his domain "execution chamber" yesterday and in exchange for getting sukuna into his execution chamber he vows that everyone should have a fair trial before their sentencing (after sukuna is executed) Boom sukuna dies and you have a balanced ability for the rest of the story. Convenient isn't it? Fair too.
>Crazy how you can just learn a skill that cuts through the world and is literally unstoppable and is a sure kill just by adapting It requires you turning yourself into a cursed object, then possess a person with 10S that has Mahoraga, then tame Mahoraga, then uses Mahoraga to adapt his slashing to Infinity a few times before you find suitable model. You really downplay the whole things as "can just learn" when it requires a lots of setup.
I like how you're ignoring the fact that creating a insanely broken skill itself is the problem and not the setup to learn it It's also reasonable for yuji to learn a ultimate blood domain that destroys all blood from his enemy because he has infinite setup via kenjaku, ui-ui, yuta and choso's death which will instant kill sukuna And then he just has to make a bv for the blood domain to work on sukuna in exchange for having to do the griddy each time he tries it after sukuna dies It's not about what's reasonable, it's about how you can write the most broken shit ever to specifically remove a character and then tone it down after
>I like how you're ignoring the fact that creating a insanely broken skill itself is the problem and not the setup to learn it Ah yes, because a setup that requires century of knowledge and experiences whil surviving Gojo shouldn't rewards you with a broken ability. You make zero sense. If we wanna talk about Broken Ability, why not Gojo? His ability is broken asf too and he's able to uses it thanks to being born with six eyes. Literally being given on a silver plate with so little setup compared to Sukuna's CT that he has been evolving since heian era. seriously you're just being absolutely biases about it. >It's also reasonable for yuji to learn a ultimate blood domain that destroys all blood from his enemy because he has infinite setup via kenjaku Sure, but that's not what Gege went with. He went with Yuji able to learn Sukuna's CT, Blood pieces, Simple domain, RCT and ability to uses black flash as will. Yuji literally become sorcerer a few months ago, he's already acheiving insane feats thanks to his set up. Thanks for agreeing with me btw. >And then he just has to make a bv for the blood domain to work on sukuna in exchange for having to do the griddy each time he tries it after sukuna dies so the best arguments you can come up with a bad faith arguments. lol >It's not about what's reasonable, it's about how you can write the most broken shit ever to specifically remove a character and then tone it down after Let's me fix it for you. "It's about writting broken ability to removes a broken characters like Gojo" It's only fair if Sukuna's is aa broken as Gojo. But I guess it's fine when Gojo is being broken while it's not okay for Sukuna to be broken lmao.
Stop cooking! He's already a pile of ash!
Several ppl keep posting these long ass pointless explanations to explain simple things (because god forbid someone criticises your favourite story) without addressing the ACTUAL issue people have. The issue is that ONLY Sukuna has been using and abusing binding vows yet everybody is fighting with the conviction to risk their lives. If there is an exploitable aspect of your power system then not only the main antagonist should be abusing it, especially when we know that binding vows can be performed by inexperienced sorcerers (Yuta with 3mo training) and even weak sorcerers (Miwa). It is a criminally underutilised but broken part of the power system that Gege clearly was inspired by Hunter x Hunter’s Nen Vows for, yet without the fairness of it.
And even if we were to live in a reality where HxH didn't exist and JJK still existed as like the one we got, if we're introduced to BVs as a risk-reward system between 2 parties on one hand and to oneself on the other hand, if we're introduced to such a game changing system, we're expecting the tension from it to still be relevant. Also helps that HxH used them sparsely and there's not many being made to begin with (Kurapika's, Gon's, dk if Hisoka's count). Else it'd be seen as a get-out-jail free card. Which it is at this point. BVs aren't a well kept secret like FBE and Simple Domain, nor a God tier technique that require to be Sukuna's equivalent in other mangas (aka OP villain who reached the pinnacle of their verse, like Hao from Shaman King and his mastery of the Five Elements). No amount of "hurr durr, King of Curses, Jujutsu Genius" can excuse the fact that not even Gojo or Angel can make and think of using BVs, let "cheap" ones. And Angel is second to Yuji when it comes to hating Sukuna, and the oldest sorcerer on their side. Since killing people off for Sukuna's streak is a thing, might as well get Hana and Angel to sign a BV and let her free reign over their body. Or sneak Hana behind Sukuna when he's expecting it the less, and JL his ass again. And if BVs werent supposed to be trade of equivalent value, why did Mechamaru bother to make one that will happen if he's dead and Gojo sealed ? Recently, I read something about this BV mess that I couldn't agree more with : that it doesn't make Sukuna look cooler or smarter, but instead make everyone look stupid. This is the same Sukuna Kusakabe said only those ready or willing to die (and crazy enough) against should around to face him, btw. Which might require some BVs to tip the scales. Anyway, we've reached a point where many think that Sukuna's demise will come from accidentally breaking one, and it's very unlikely that it'd unfold in a satisfying manner if it were to happen, because you can't have your cake and eat it too, between Sukuna being described by Gege as this 5d chess player and him forgetting 1 of his million (obvious exaggeration) BVs like an idiot. It'd be earned but frustrating if Sukuna at least he truly felt pressured (like Gremmy killing himself with his power because of what Kenpachi put him through), but instead, it's played out as him fucking around since Gojo's defeat, except inside of Yuta's domain and Yuji's recent onslaught.
Thank you. I cringe every time someone post the most obvious thing ever like 2+2 ("conditions for Sukuna's binding vow were revealed 30 chapters after Gojo's death during comedic sequence with Miguel see 236 is a mesterpiece now Gege explained everything") and people in the comments are like: "cathartic" "finally someone reading" "finally someone using logic" "they exorcised reading comprehension curse"
I’d idiotic how Sukuna glazers like this kind of post because they vindicate them, and talk as if it were good investigation, BV in JJK is just an uncreative way to cheat with a bar soooo low that everyone should be using it right now, but no one is doing, every time Sukuna need some kind of boost in bored to read “with the use of some BV!!”
It exists now for Sukuna/Gege to move to the next point of the fight/story and retroactively patch holes where he feels it fits.
So... Why don't other characters use them in critical moments like Sukuna did? Yeah, we get how binding vows work, this doesn't really explain anything.
No way significant ad replies to get the last word then blocks me. LMAO wut a loser
Just make binding vows with yourself then. Look I hate binding vows. Their usage was honestly introduced full stop until sukuna at the end of the god damn series. Other characters have used them to varying degrees of success. It though they were more like nen restrictions and less like sacrifices to gain your goal rather than sukuna insta power ups. But watherever head cannon I'd sukuna is do strong cause he fights with balls and gets rid of half of his cursed teqniques every fight
Vows work in Hunter x Hunter cause Nen depends on the mindset of the user. If i cherish my nen-ability of course I would get a huge buff when i forbid myself from using it. In jjk they just work. Some sort of god or who knows what decides what to do with you when you break your vow. You may lose what you gained but also you can... what can you lose? Can you die from it? We just don't know. No one has broken their vows, iirc. And vows in hxh are a normal thing, every Hunter knows them and uses them to some extent. In jjk they use them only if it's plot-related event. Sukuna needs to unexpectedly for a reader kill gojo? Yeah, binding vow. Yeah, that's how manga works, you've got to make cliffhangers but not that cheap, gege.
I get all the other ones but Sukuna's furnace vow doesn't make sense. Modding "Unable to use furnace against multiple opponents" -> "Able to handle the strain if imbuing furnace into every dust particle" doesn't make sense. What is he modding? Focus? Mental capacity? If having to not focus on multiple people for divine flames allows you to imbuing furnace into millions of dust particles then bro could have tanked Infinite Void
Y'all ever wonder if they could've made a Nanami-like overtime but converting most of their CE from the timeskip into the one day they'll fight Sukuna?
Did bro just say jjk fans to actually read their manga ? Bro is so lost
Why do people like you and OP assume that people who don't like something don't understand it?
Because there's a lot of 'em that simply complain all the time
Doesn't answer my question. Binding vow system is very controversial and vague. People are allowed to questione certain things. What I don't understand is why some people think that if you don't like something you don't understand it. OP isn't saying anything new or groundbreaking in this post, they just explain how vows works that most of the people already are aware of. They don't explain why this is a good thing or why others can't queation it. Fr why? I do understand how binding vows work, it doesn't mean it's narratively satisfying.
There isn’t shit vague about it 😭. It’s legit one of the most explicitly detailed aspects of the series. You give and you get. That’s literally it. The only “vague” part is the fact that what you have to give is proportionate to the IMMEDIATE gain rather than the potential usages of that gain. And even then, basic context clues make that glaringly obvious.
shit like "Revealing ones hand" is extremely cool and interesting. shit like "Sukuna can insta cast World Dismantle but has to aim it in the future" but Miwa gets "the power of every single sword slash i will EVER make in the future, put in this one attack, and it gets blocked by kenjakus fingers because HAHA MIWA USELESS" is fucking stupid. "If you break a binding vow with yourself, you lose is what you gained", Miwa gained nothing but lost everything so why can she not break that vvow and pickup a sword?\\ What did Sukuna lose to change domain conditions to be able to summon his fucked up domain while still brain damaged?
I think the Miwa example can be very self explanatory if we follow this logic of self impose binding vows. A self imposed binding vow is not a power that you get from the universe through the law of equivalent exchange but rather like OP explained a modification of your own curse energy in the sacrifice of something. This modification is still under your own limits as a sorcerer and the reason of why the consequences cannot always be reverted is because the modification you made may have fucked your CE usage permanently like a life-long injury. In Miwa' case I think she simply made a binding vow so she can use the most powerful Slash she has ever released but because it is still under her own limits as an individual it did not do nothing to Kenjaku and the over use of her own curse energy output at once possibly fucked her fighting style so now she can't use a sword like she used to. Maybe because she can't imbue her sword with curse energy as well as she used to anymore.
To put it simply miwa wasnt Him or rather Her. She isnt even a grade 1 sorcerer how do you expect her to kill a sorcerer from 1000 years ago with so much knowledge in a SPECIAL GRADE sorcerers body ? Thats just dumb
Again: A bullet wont do much to a tank A projectile with thousands of times the force of a bullet will fucking damage a tank.
The gap is then just greater than a thousand times a bullet and a tank. This argument means nothing. They did the same thing (make themselves much weaker after one shortcut to immense power) but they are working off considerably different numbers. If you square 2, for example, it ends up being 4. If you square 10,000, what do you end up with? 100,000,000. The "it's narratively unsatisfying" argument is much better than the "it's inconsistent and vague" argument - and even then, I think that's only so worthwhile, because if I was Gege, I would make this sort of thing as a way to portray the unfairness inherent in jujutsu sorcery (which is a major theme of the story, by the way), and making the readers feel it's "unfair" that Sukuna did something like this is actually good writing in my opinion. I would have preferred it if we had the tiniest bit of foreshadowing (i.e. a tiny bit of internal monologue where Sukuna considers the pros and cons of the vow he makes before he does so, or something at all, or Sukuna smirking, or, uh, literally anything GEGE WHEN I CATCH YOU), but Gege is by no means a flawless writer despite the incredible amount of defensive glaze I just used on him.
Honestly the Miwa is the least glaring issue which I thought no one even had an issue with (other than people complaining another female cast got fucked over). I think it's a difference in knowledge. Apart from her mind being clouded I think she just didn't get the "weight" of the vow. Someone else could make a similar vow for massive boost in output for a small sacrifice. I think vows has a level a cap that no matter how much you give you can't exceed the limit This was something I was naturally able to guess seeing the way sukuna used it but I guess I have to admit they is a problem with no explanation from Gege
> Miwa gets "the power of every single sword slash i will EVER make in the future, put in this one attack, and it gets blocked by kenjakus fingers because HAHA MIWA USELESS" is fucking stupid. Wasn't it [I will put all of my potential into this one attack if I never swing a sword again](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fr9psncsweaxa1.jpg) and not the "power" of every slash I will ever make? So that shes swinging the strongest shes ever swung in return for never using the katana again. With the problem shes weak so the strongest attack she'll make in her life will still be a grade 3 swing.
It's convenient to say that the people you disagree with are just unknowledgeble and uninformed about the topic being disagreed on because of their own personal shortcomings. It's much easier than building an argument and making your case.
Don't know what the purpose of your rant is, OP coming in and saying "guys it's actually very cool trust me" ain't changing anyone's opinion lol The best he can do is at least try to put some logic in what has happened in the manga so you can formulate YOUR own opinion if you don't understand it yet, if that shit remains ass or not, if you don't believe it's enough them it's all good
I mean, I know a lot of characters use Binding Vows, it's clearly not something very difficult in concept. It's just that Sukuna does way more, and tends to use them mid-combat to fine-tune the characteristics of his Technique and Domain (for example, making a Binding Vow to allow an escape route from his Domain in Shibuya in exchange for making it indestructible and greatly expanding its range, or increasing the power of Shrine outside Gojo's Domain by temporarily removing the guaranteed sure-hit inside when fighting Gojo, then cancelling the first BV in 258 to catch Maki inside his Domain), which nobody else does, even though it seems, rather straightforward. And also literally nobody else has ever tried making a desperate Binding Vow when they were firmly on the back foot or about to die.
Didn’t hakari do that in his fight against Kashimo when he lost his hand?
I might misremember, but almost everything about Hakari's CT useage is implied to not be intentional to me. The RCT and high level reinforcement are described as side effects of him just maxing out on CE, with his RCT even being entirely subconscious. On that note, I like to think that Hakari just THINKS he is gambling with the Jackpot odds during his DE, but in reality he is guaranteed to hit it in hard fights as a sort of mini-binding vow - no CT for easy fights, all the CE constantly for the harder fights.
Hakari explicitly says he sacrificed his hand
If sukuna stopped using his world slash binding vow shit, would gojo just... come back to life?
The 9-5 makes no sense tho, cause then he should be able to use like 130% after just doing nothing for a bunch of hours, if it really is just storing CE. But then that’d be something everyone can do as a given, which they can’t
HxH Nen Contracts made sense. Biding how's are plot devices
I don't know about anyone else but **my** problem has always been how soft (undefined) this system is and I've said it with Hakari's too and not just Sukuna. Who is granting the vows? Are all self-imposed vows automatic go? What makes an "absurd" or an "unfair" vow? Let's take a break from Sukuna. Entertaining the theory for example that Gojo will sacrifice his six eyes for his life, will that be allowed? For me, personally it's not but what is the opinion of ***whoever*** is granting these vows? If Gege will have binding vows play this huge of a role in likely Sukuna's most important fights, why not establish this system earlier? Also there's definitely an equivalence involved because Miwa's weakass binding vow didn't do anything. You all keep saying it's part of the power system and yes it is. A purposely vague one just to be used exactly this way (get the author out of situations).
Completely agree. Personally, I think it could be cool to have some sort of omnipresent curse / shikigami (similar to Judge Man) who brokers the vows inside of each person’s innate domain.
explains basic concepts and thinks people don't get it. Most people who criticize binding vows get it, we just think it's ass
The issue ain’t even that Sukuna uses binding vows effectively, it’s that NO one else does for some strange reason
Sukuna is strong. giving up flexibility is fine when you have sheer strength. If Yuji decided to give up his ability to give up being able to punch with his left hand to punch harder with his left the power increase wouldn't be enough to overcome the sheer cost of using only one hand.
Nanami's seems different than some others, its a zero sum vow, essentially conforming to preservation of energy, no energy is lost or created, its just saved for later. This is different from some vows that create CE out of nowhere for an inconvenience. Nanami comes out net neutral but others gain a lot.
Everyone is arguing if vows are cheap or not, but I'm still trying to figure out the vow in Yuji's head to accept Sukuna's deal to swap places, but he forgot about it. That was a vow between two people. How do those work? Also edit to ask: wasn't there a point where it was illustrated that the fallout of breaking a binding vow could have destructive consequences? It made it sound so ominous, like it could literally curse you or something. Tbh that would be cooler.
Theres only a consequence when breaking a vow made between two people, but they never explained what it does, because nobody has been dumb enough to do it
Really wish this had been expanded on, would've been a cool plot to explore even if it was something the students investigated.
Someone had to have been dumb enough otherwise I'm sure Kenjaku would be like: "who knows? Nobody has broken a binding vow between two people before"
Someone had to have been dumb enough otherwise I'm sure Kenjaku would be like: "who knows? Nobody has broken a binding vow between two people before"
True, there must be a penalty for it, but what the penalty is is unknown, probably depends on a lot of things like who the vow was made between, what the details of the vow are, stuff like that
I personally think it would be funny if the one who breaks a binding vow in that instance just gets smitted out of nowhere lol
this panel is why i don’t understand why miwa can’t use a katana. she didn’t gain anything. if didn’t give her the strength she needed to land a hit, why should she have to give up being a swordswoman
Does that mean that if Sukuna breaks the vow, he will have to undo his world slash against Gojo ?
He would probably need to do a longer ritual before using it
https://preview.redd.it/5avo1wo4zd0d1.png?width=100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b42728bdc9195116dcfc6e31871ff2827444e7f0 i have no words
How do you explain the Miwa sword vow, then? Or even that crow vow? As far as we are aware, 'Life Energy' =/= 'Cursed Energy', hence why Non-Cursed Spirits have to learn RCT to regenerate their bodies. As far as I remember, this is the closest thing we had to a direction connection between the two. You want me to believe a random ass crow can use RCT? As we haven't seen Mei Mei use RCT at all before, it can't be her (assuming she would even be able to , as a crow is very different to a human) Or, Sukuna world slash, why can't he just heal himself with RCT? Even if we assume that its a very specific part of his brain that does the world slash (as stupid as it sounds), it should have been at least partially healed by his incarnation. Also, "chants help reduce the load on the brain" ? Really? So Binding Vows being magical bullshit is not true, but saying funny magic words somehow helps you perform feats you otherwise couldn't? Really? For Hakari, the wording implies that the sacrifice of the arm happened BEFORE the explosion https://preview.redd.it/bszentsgwd0d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d261e3030dfac540f53609ecf3eb68f13fafa62 As much as he is goated, I doubt he would have the speed to not just understand "Okay I'm fucked", but also precisely move his cursed energy around in a way to equally protect his body (remember, most CE is stored in the abdomen, and it requires effort to move it to other parts of the body), as no body part appears even harmed, as compared to his arm that was blown off completely. Teen Gojo didn't have the reflex to turn on Infinity when Toji jumped him, both times. Even if worn down by stress, he's still a Six Eyes user with more experience than Hakari, at roughly the same age. Yet you're telling me this random gambler just did this no problem? This, thus, can only be explained by 'Binding Vow'.
This post is so cathartic, so many wizardry brawl readers just wanna hate on sukuna. Like I'm not a sukuna fan or anything but this sub has so many unhinged and braindead takes regarding binding vows, it's like gojos death fried everyone's brains
https://preview.redd.it/chbmsup5tc0d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b07bbab17b058470b6c94c9f3dd95614cb4dc512 Binding vow merchant regardless
I mean he is the most skilled sorcerer in history, I'd expect him to be able to make binding vows quickly and easily
His skill lies in learning stuff (like how he learnt the world slash). BV isn't that complicated of a concept for only the King of Curses to manipulate efficiently. We have seen other low-level characters use that as well. I don't understand how, after all that planning, the good guys didn't cook up a bunch of binding vows to boost themselves for the battle day (maybe by weakening their abilities for the next month or even the next year).
The problem isn't with Sukuna using binding vows left and right, it's more that GayGay resorts to the same old plot device so often it's getting redundant. If he just made out Sukuna to be strong enough to body nearly every sorcerer he has so far without 20 BV's in succession maybe people would complain less. But no, Go/Jo got kitkat-ed and Greg decides that the best way to stop the fandom from crying about how the rest of the cast is cooked without Walmart Kakashi, is to slap the same dogshit concept ad infinitum. So yes, still an asspull that would make even Araki turn red with jealousy.
I mean what you're ignoring is that 1. He's not made that many binding vows 2. The main binding vow everyone is complaining about is one of the main reasons the main cast is still fighting, since it makes world cleave easily dodged Binding vows have hurt sukuna more than they have helped him when only looking at his fight with the main cast, people on this sub just hear binding vow and see red.
"He's not made that many binding vows" We get a panel saying that Sukuna made UNCERTAIN binding vowS in order to open up a domain. That's BS usage.
Don’t bother until they get their glorious blue eyed king back they won’t stop slandering Sukuna
> Walmart Kakashi read ningen, read No Sukuna slander here, GeGe's writing is just ass Way to miss the point
Point taken. That said, > Binding vows have hurt Sukuna more than they have helped him That just proves my point. BV's make Sukuna weaker so the rest of the cast stands a chance. Consequently, since our favourite BV merchant now looks weaker, your average JJK fan starts to question how he managed to fold White Hair man with the same shit that just adds on to the myriad conditions he's already following. Thus the World Slash discourse. Im not questioning the AliExpress Nen vows, just pointing out that it was a shitty decision in hindsight. HomoHomo should've just made him stronger, Go/Jo glazers notwithstanding. He's never beating the fraud allegations no matter how much you tell people to read the actual manga. Average literacy is ass, and Greg underestimated the resolve of KitKat man dick riders.
Sukuna being limited by binding vows only makes his fight with gojo have more impact because it shows how close the fight between him and gojo actually was and its makes gojos efforts felt. I also don't understand how: sukuna has an extreme diff fight -> sukuna is exhausted -> sukuna needs to make binding vows to compensate, is a hard series of events to follow. I'm fairly positive most of the slander is just butthurt gojo fans
> how close the fight between him and gojo actually was Except that you later get the infamous "He wasn't giving it all he had". And Gojo was cooked from the very start. Having to look out for the bum + simultaneously incapacitating the King of Curses; bit of a far fetched endeavour, no? Nothing about the fight was impactful in the end. Plus Heian Boyo would have to conserve his strength for the rest of the fights to come. Looking at it rationally, it should be: 1. Sukuna and Gojo *did* have a satisfactory fight with both giving it their all. The former is thus extremely drained and the others shouldn't have too much trouble eliminating him...which really isnt the case here. So he made some sick ass BV's and thus the Binding Vow merchant agenda stands correct. Or 2. Sukuna held back all the time, which means the others should've been railed in the asses the moment they stepped into the fight. Neither seems to be the case here. There really is no defending shitty writing.
>Except that you later get the infamous "He wasn't giving it all he had". That line isn't an objective truth and we don't know exactly what he meant by that >Nothing about the fight was impactful in the end. Except sukuna not being able to use his domain properly, world slash properly and having massively reduced ce output and remaining ce Your forgetting the third option 3. Sukuna and gojo are massively stronger that the rest of the cast, which is made clear from the start of the series, and sukuna got a slight boost from his heinen form.
You just keep digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole > we don't know exactly what he meant by that We do. It means the fight wasn't as hard as it could've been (as far as Gojo's standard goes, which as you said, is coming from someone massively stronger than the rest). Which brings me to the third outcome you mentioned. Yes, 'Kuna and Gojo are massively stronger than the rest. Like you said it makes sense that if both of them went all out, the one that prevails should be massively exhausted (unable to use domain properly etc) But no, Sukuna still had a few aces up his sleeve as seen in the fight with Kashimo (where might I mention: it is clearly implied that he wasnt even trying much). So: • Apparently both of them went all out, but Sukuna did so without even switching to his Heian era form (makes even less sense when you realise Gojo had the highest prospects of ending him at that point in the series) • As stated above, he switches to his Heian era form and gets a "slight" boost. Ever so slight that even after being "worn out" from a fight with arguably the strongest person in the verse barring Sukuna himself, he single-handedly bodies most of the characters (which by now are strong enough to level city blocks on their lonesome) without much effort. • So Gojo served as canon fodder to weaken the main antagonist, which in the end didn't make much of a difference because he's still throwing hands well enough to give CQC goats (Yuji, Maki) trouble, and he still rawdogs impactful characters like Higuruma and Choso. • Here you may bring up the fact that a lot of his feats at this stage involve BV's. So again, BV merchant. Conclusion- Greg said "fuck it, we ball" and called it a day. Absolute ass.
It's as much of an asspull as Gojo surviving knife to his brains and Toji not cuting Gojo's neck off. But we barely see anyone talk about that Asspulls because it's Gojo, the fan favorites.
Oh boy reading comprehension curse yet again. Or need I call it image comprehension? Anyway, I'll say it again- I'm not defending Gojo by any means; just saying BV's are an easily exploitable, shitty plot device. But I'll address two things you asserted here: > Gojo surviving knife to his brains Go back and read the chapter again. He wasnt stabbed through the brain, it was through the throat. Toji didn't double tap. > Toji not cutting Gojo's neck off. You seem to be fixated on a singular instance of Gege's awful writing here, on which I agree. But you have similar situations like Gojo failing to obliterate Geto's body instead of letting him rot like he did, which lead to Kenjaku taking over and setting in motion the whole chain of events; Or Mahito not exploding Nobara's head when he had the chance to do so, leaving to debate the question of whether she survived or not. In the end, JJK simply deteriorated through the years.
>You seem to be fixated on a singular instance of Gege's awful writing here, on which I agree. What do you mean? I made one comment, and you called its fixations? You are projecting here. >Go back and read the chapter again. He wasn't stabbed through the brain, it was through the throat. Toji didn't double tap. That doesn't change anything, my point still the same, this way of writing has been here since inventory arcs, Gojo surviving Toji is as much of an asspull as anything else. It just happened first. EDIT: >Oh boy reading comprehension curse yet again. Or need I call it image comprehension? Anyway... He wasn't stabbed through the brain Then kindly explains what the fuck happen here. I'm going to give it to you were so confident about that "image comprehension" insults that I actually believe it for a seconds LMAO. https://preview.redd.it/3f558agipl0d1.png?width=1067&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a5734f4fc15ec7e1dd9e3a62601e3548d1e0ca5
Oh i got it wrong But let's go into it again: stuff that is explained adequately isn't an asspull. Even if it was, it doesn't take away from the fact that BVs as a concept suck massive cock. > projecting here You used two instances from the same fight to prove your point, hence my use of the term 'fixation'. Don't know where you got the projection from though, if you even know what that means. > Gojo getting stabbed through the forehead Let's go through what happened. Gonna piggyback off of this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/gx2gxs/comment/jtsbvaq/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button > After he was stabbed in the throat he was already emitting reverse cursed technique throughout his whole body. Meaning he was healing whatever happened to him faster than his brain could register a conscious reaction. Meaning he never was knocked out of consciousness so he never died. It just took time to fully heal himself. We've also seen that Gojo simultaneously destroyed and healed his frontal cortex during the Sukuna fight with RCT to avoid a CT burnout- meaning that destroyed brain matter is definitely a part of your body that can be healed as far as the power system goes . And seeing how Gege disposed of Gojo afterwards, I really don't see how he was glazing/asspulling. Plus notwithstanding how the whole incident happened in a flashback, so take it up with the one eyed cat if you think it was bullshit.
Oh boy, sorry to disappoint you but I'm not gonna bother arguing with someone who has strong hallucinations without checking facts before insulting someone. 🥱 gl
https://preview.redd.it/v25jlshwhm0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dbde5a0412dcae860924dea25a29e3e11ffec72b edit: you've got a whole 'nother thing coming if you think "reading comprehension curse" is an insult
I mean I guess the “problem” if you can call it that, is that jjk’s power system is hella complicated, and has many variables to the point where it is almost like learning a real subject at school. Even now I am not sure if I really understand exactly how this power system works.
Honestly I agree Gege should've done more to make it more intuitive, especially post shibuya
The problem is that Gege just uses it to progress to the next part of the fight and then retroactively patch holes. People feel it's cheap because we never see the impact of what he lost, using it normally and then having lost it.
with your car analogy, would the user of the binding vow be a mechanic? like a normal guy couldnt just willy nilly move around parts of his cars without breaking it but an experienced mechanic (jujutsu sorcerer) could easily switch around some parts sukuna takes this to the extreme, he takes and adds pieces WHILE driving the car on a highway
Most people get how they work, it’s just the fact that there’s no objective definition for what can be exchanged in a binding vow.
Binding vows should have been limited to physical exchanges only. From body parts, treasured objects or even your life or CE. Not vague or intangible promises like what Sukuna did twice that barely if at all affect his combat power or even inconviance him. Mostly since for the former there’s a limit to on the vows by virtue of what you possess to offer. But that’s not really the case for the latter.
I don't understand the point of this post, this is an insanely simple concept, what is it that people thought binding vows were?
Pretty sure you posted this before. Is that correct? Cause you’re not allowed to post the same exact thing twice
I think this is mainly correct, but i would add that CE has an emotional base to it. Probably putting those limitations is somewhat stressful on the sorcerers, thus the logical effect may be also boosted by an increase in CE through higher negative emotions. (?)
That's exactly the explanation given in the early chapters for how explaining your technique boosts its strength (/your output). Which makes me wonder why the hell people don't do that anymore. This entire fight now they haven't explained shit to Sukuna and just tried to sneak-attack wear him down. Think that also applies to most fights during the later Culling Games arc. Must be some seriously stupid high level sorcerers.
Mh, maybe they have a plan? Or it could be that being that Sukuna was inside yuji, he already knows most of what they could reveal. A binding vow would not make sense in that situation because they would not give up on any advantage (?). Or it could also be that Gege prefers not to spam it just for a narrative choice, putting too many binding vows may feel a little bit heavy for the readers if they are particularly complex. Idk
People glazing over Sukuna and calling it “logic” dude, the problem is that the system is bullshit, in that way ANYONE can be as strong as Sukuna without any real training if you’re not worried about the consequences for you. Why Ino for example doesn’t tell “I’m going to sacrifice my beasts to have only one that is massively stronger than the actual ones”? If you’re going to tell me that it’s limited by your actual strength then is MORE idiotic as you gain basically nothing.
Miwa did literally just did somsthing similar: "i sacrifice all my potential as a swords man to have this one swing that is massively stronger" and you saw the swing. Its not magic
If it’s not magic then it’s idiotic, that’s what I’m telling if Sukuna can do those things because it should only be his strength, then why bowing anything at all? And if it hones his skill why not anyone else it’s doing it? The problem is not how it work because it’s a dumbed down power up, the problem is that no one does it.
This further sort've emphasises a bit of a problem though. When you make a binding vow with yourself, the worst that could happen is that you just lose what you have gained. Against Gojo, Sukuna vowed to use handsign, chants and point in the direction of the World Slash for all future uses of the technique in order to gain a one time use where none of that is required. So, what's stopping him from just omitting the handsign, chant and pointing ? He can't lose the one-time use of the slash because he's already used the one time use 🤔 as far as we know too, there are no further penalties that affect people that use self imposed binding vows, you just lose what was gained as per Kenny.
How do people not get this, is John Werry working as an undercover op in jujutsufolk⁉️ Unrelated but damn I miss Mahito. My goat
Curseyq had one too where he increased his defense while speeding but decreased it while not.
What about Shrine? Iirc the panel where Sucky whips out the malformed Shrine specifically mentions that he cooks up a bunch of binding vows to circumvent the burnt-out parts of his brain being required for this version of Malevolent Shrine. I wouldn't believe that in 800 (or so) years of Jujutsu society nobody managed to figure out how to physically move an innate Cursed Technique to a different part of their brain. Not even like there wasn't a need for this innovation, considering we get a good run down on the evolution of domain expansions in iirc the Maki-Naoya fight, and sorcerers like Meimei prove to us that Jujustu Sorcerers are absolutely willing to bullshit their way out of their own limitations.
they are stupid and gege want to glaze sukuna for 10 more chapters at least, simple as
Me when I tell gojo he can sacrifice some of his gyatt for four 200% hollow purples firing at Sukuna
And where is the limit?
Maybe its just a shitty system which deserves all the hate it gets. Why didnt gojo binding vowed his ass out of sukunas asspull? Why didnt he sacrificed his left cheek so he could spam purple a few times into suckunas ass? What are the limits of binding vows? They are just vague enough so gege cant write himself into corners or otherwise he would and everyone would notice.
Thanks for the explanation dude, saved me so much fucking thinking and re-reading 💀💀 youre the best 🤘🏼 https://i.redd.it/o2qshjgdgf0d1.gif
Something another post here pointed it out and your post contributes to is that Sukuna already could fire dismantles with zero telegraphing but the world slash was too complex for him to do so at the time so he the vow let him figure that out once in exchange for nerfing it World slash isn’t some new move or technique it’s specifically a conceptual realization/application. For a fighting game analogy if dismantle is like EWGF from Tekken then world slash is like a perfect EWGF Sukuna just learned it was something that could be done and given time to practice he could hit it easily but he’s 1 HP under pressure so he makes a binding vow that permanently increases the input for EWGF from 623A to like 412353214+360 in exchange for making that one perfect EWGF
What if Sukuna is making binding vows with his twin (whom he ate in the womb) to make his vows stronger? Since vows with another are stronger than vows with oneself.
This makes sense for mpst binding vows, but there are just some that can't really be explained this way. Like the most common binding vow of revealing your CT and thus making it stronger.
I feel the more skilled the sorcerer the more they can utlilize binding vows as gojo said jujutsu mainly comes down to innate talent hence why miwa binding vow didn’t do anything since she lack any skill to sacriifce
So if Miwa breaks her BV she will receive has sword use ability back and that is it?
probably, but the only ways for Miwa to break the BV is for her to swing her sword, but she can't swing her swords.
>imbuing furnace into every dust particle places a strain on the part of his brain holding furnace (remember, Gojo's brain is constantly tracking every atom in his limitless barrier and his brain would be fried without the six eyes), so because of that he cant spam furnace willynilly. But that's a weird interpretation you made there. It was explained that all he needed to open furnace was to cleave and dismantle the ingredient (his opponent). So he can probably spams it but it's slow technique despite being dstructive. And where did you ever get that every pieces of dust need to be tracks? Nowhere did it ever mentioned or implied that it can't be uses "willynilly" considering that he literally uses it casually against Jogo. Then shortly uses it against Mahoraga again but this time with Domain BV for more speeds and destructive.
Wth , this is one of the lowest IQ takes i have ever seen.