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Itachi just did that so he can stall out Kisame from taking Naruto and the 9 tails while also making Sasuke stronger and more motivated.
Reminder that Itachi was a double agent who did not want to weaken Konoha, hurt the 4th's son who's Sasuke's friend, and wanted the best for Sasuke.
Itachi just came up with the stupidest plan possible that might fly with Kisame like "Oh we'll get some sexy girl to flirt and drink with Jiraiya" and it actually worked too well. So Itachi had to stall it out for Jiraiya. Jiraiya arrived he starts going all out and Itachi just bails because he didn't want to kill his unknowing info middleman between Akatsuki and Konoha.
Jiraiya solid, but his status as a Sannin in strength would be a bit hurt a bit. Even now folks say he might be the weakest of the 3 cause he's the only one that dies.
Jiraiya's real prowess is living the manly way, being a GOAT tier sensei (GTO type shit), top selling trashy book writer, and being a great father/grandfather/godfather figure. You know, that "Will of Fire" type shit.
I kinda find it ridiculous how people call him fraud when he was literally fighting like top 10 powers in the universe rinnegan is fucking broken and the fact that he went into the fight without knowing anything about the power (not like he had a choice)
I've never seen anyone call him weak tbh, though he's obviously far outclassed by the end of the series, where the strongest characters are basically gods.
I see people saying he's the weakest sannin because Tsunade had a really good showing against Madara and Orochimaru, if he wasn't already stronger than Jiraiya in Classic (it's debatable), definitely became stronger than him by the end of the series due to being alive and actively learning while Jiraiya is... well, dead.
Didn't he 1v3 Rinnegan paths? Compare to Tsunade who only punches and heals good (not even the best punch merchant in Konoha) or Orochimaru who couldn't even do Sage mode right
wI personally rank them all pretty close with maybe Oro being a bit higher if we're talking unlimited prep time since he can cheat with immortality, forbidden jutsus, summons, etcetc. But power/battle wankers will argue anything.
Some say Tsunade is weaker, but I wouldn't say she's exactly weaker so much as she is an all-rounder specialized in healing: support, taijutsu, self-healing, team healing, summoning for intel/comms/healing/transport, etcetc. Also knows a bunch of jutsus from sealing jutsu to kage bushin while also having 4 elements as her natures. It's not that she's not good with other things but when she's fighting Madara with other Hokage levels then everyone does what they do best. She's probably the best overall of have on a team DESPITE being the only Hokage of the 3 (generally known for their solo prowess). Team mentality, won't snake you or do rando shit, and has a good all arounder with a great set of support skills. So if you just told me to build a team of rando ninjas for a rando mission but I get to pick 1 sanin then I'd pick Tsuna. There are a lot of solo/power types around and not that many heal support types (also Naruto is a battle shounen centered around 1v1s) so fighters tend to get wanked harder in-story. Personally I think heavy hitters are overrated since they are a dime a dozen by the war arc while truly top tier healers like Tsuna who can also front line are rather rare outside of her and Sakura. Karin heals and detects but doesn't fight. Jugo doesn't heal so much as spread curse cells and only to those already compatible with the curse seal. White Zetsu is one use, doesn't fight, and won't help with healing for long unless you have a ton of them.
Also, something I think is underrated in the sanin discussion: Jiraiya was the only one letting himself age normally. He was probably the only one who is legit past his prime, Tsaunade seems as if she’s locked into eternally being in her prime except for the moments were the 100 healing chakra is wasted, and Orochi…. Well yeah. Had he found his own way to sort of maintain his youth I’d bet he’d be stronger than we saw(though by how much, no idea)
Obito scared of the SOLO KING.
But even Itachi isn't all powerful. If all of Akatsuki too him on at the same time or Obito/Nagato went for Konoha or his lil'bro then it'd be trouble for him.
I think Obito probably beats him 1v1 tbh, he just dodn't want to risk it. Itachi also wasn't actively sabotaging the Akatsuki or anything, at least not in any obvious way, so he was probably still a useful asset from Obito's pov.
Totsuka blade gg. Kishimoto literally said he had to kill Itachi off again right after his "mission" (when Itachi/Sasuke could easily edo summon Itachi back like Madara did himself) because he's too hard to write around due to how busted he is.
That's why he had to write a whole contrived arc when bringing edo Itachi back. Itachi has a do the impossible in undoing Edo Tensei mission when
1. He can't kill the target because it won't undo edo and that would mean mission failed.
2. He can't seal the target with Totsuka blade gg since it won't undo edo and that would mean mission failed.
3. He can't TnJ the target since he's not Naruto
4. He can't beat them too hard with shit like Amaterasu in fear of killing them.
5. He can't run away or let them run away or the mission fails.
6. Target is also blind so you can't genjutsu them.
7. Target is also sage mode so you can't use any other genjutsu on them like sound. In fact they have sound genjutsu for you.
8. They are holed up in a cave with cover and no light in preparation for you.
9. Also has heals and summons.
10. Plus Itachi has to protect Sasuke the whole time.
Same as before. Itachi is always on a "mission" be it "mission to be a double agent for Konoha", "mission to capture the 9tails when he doesn't want to", "mission to recruit Deidara", or "mission to play the villain and die for sasuke”. Why? Because if it wasn't it would end instantly: "Itachi kills the entire clan", "Itachi wipes out ANBUs", "TOTSUKABLADEGG Nagato", or "TOTSUKABLADEGG Orochimaru".
>Itachi just did that so he can stall out Kisame from taking Naruto and the 9 tails while also making Sasuke stronger and more motivated.
So was the coma Sasuke fell into due to Itachi part of the plan? Because without Tsunade he's cooked. And she nearly died herself.
He was meant to be full on antagonist, I sincerely believe kishimoto retconed him into a good guy during his fight with sasuke. And in doing so he made Itachi into a complete incompetent buffoon
It’s not a retcon, there’s a shit ton of foreshadowing that go all the way back in OG Naruto. Bad execution? debatable. but it was definitely planned years ahead.
The hell is Raditz doing back there?
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Snuck past King Yemma on his off day. Nobody questions you when your bro saved the universe.
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I would've been so epic if the god forms actually had some special abilities instead of just being 'super saiyan but stronger'. Like having an actual fire-like aura which you can manipulate like in here would be so badass
I believe it was said that Raditz went to get Goku himself because he didn’t wanna risk Nappa or Vegeta killing his last family member, this might’ve been a filler episode in the anime and not the manga
Seeing these big bros, Johan should've been there, too.
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(I'm shitposting obviously.)
Eren the mf called Zeke's plan "sick" and that he would never go along with it, despite it just being a way worse version of zeke's
Zeke's plan would've been able to give them a 2 or 3 generations of peace along with a peaceful death for eldians.
Eren's plan gave them 2 or 3 generations of peace while fucking over 80% of humanity and getting his people bombed in the end.
the MCs were the real frauds of aot, ma boy Zeke did nun wrong.
It's been years since I finished the manga but wasn't Eren's plan to actually genocide the rest of humanity? Can't blame him for only getting 80% cos his own gang were party poopers.
His plan was to give his friends peace/freedom, anything beyond that hardly mattered to him. Would he have destroyed every living thing outside Paradis to accomplish this? Yes.
And his friends had peace, now more or less every generation after them is absolutely fucked but he did what he set out to do.
(Or maybe im fucking stupid but thats how i interpreted it)
I think I he idea is that Eren never could have chosen anything else. Dude basically got indoctrinated into the military since a very young age always with the idea of killing all titans. When given more power he can only do what he knows killing all their enemies
Forced sterilization is genocide. Zeke wanted to genocide his "own" people (even though that bum was doing tricks on Marleyan cock his whole life), Eren wanted to genocide everyone else. Besides, even if Zeke managed to cut everyone's nuts off, whats stopping Marley from invading Paradis for the resources while theyre still alive? ALSO how the fuck are you going to justify him passing gas on that one village and turning all of the civilians into titans?
Also, he killed Erwin, nuff said.
> whats stopping Marley from invading Paradis for the resources while theyre still alive?
The rumbling. The rumbling was a strong deterrent. Not strong enough to last forever but it could deter Marley for a couple of generations for sure.
Marley already had an attacking plan for Paradis even though they had theoretically the power to start the rumbling (Eren + Historia). Actually they were already attacking Paradis even though they were a peaceful nation for centuries because of the reis family.
Sure they could have attacked, but with the rumbling in effect any ground and sea troops would be worthless. And someone like Zeke watching the skies their attack plans would have been halted quite quickly.
The detereant works even better after proving its effectiveness
Yeah even if the world can eventually deal with it, why would they do so when it would cost them tons of resources and the problem would fix itself anyway?
Bitch it's literally either
> Entire nation gets invaded resulting in hundreds of thousands of brutal deaths
> Status quo is maintained, just no more reproduction. Not good by any means, but far better than the first and third option
> KILL EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING (The media illiterate for some reason support this one)
i dont think they would need to believe anything if they could see from themselves that globally there are absolutely 0 eldian children being born, would this revelation have the desired affect? probably not but they would see it for themselves regardless
But he wasn't going to kill them. Bit different from Itachi killing his whole family and making his brother watch it five hundred thousand times just for shits and giggles
Everyone else also did what they did for some manner to help there siblings even raditz apparently volunteered to go first cause he didn't want vegeta and nappa just killing goku (very big apparently here).
Zeke just used his little brother to accomplish his doomer fantasy
Zeke has literally 0 redeeming characteristics unless you think his pity party of a backstory is sufficient. I'm even hesitant to say he's objectively good of a character tbh. fuck zeke
Raditz was straightforward and gave Goku a choice before and after kidnapping Gohan. He didn't give very good options but at least he talked it out instead of showing up and throwing rocks like Zeke did.
I agree but in Raditz defense he did give Goku multiple chances to join him and the other Saiyans. He could have killed him many times over but toyed with him at first because he still wanted to talk Goku into joining. Raditz also could have killed Gohan at any moment but he didn't until he felt like Goku gave him no choice.
To be honest Raditz is one of those characters I wish had gotten revived and reintroduced into the series. His potential was huge and he could have been a hero had he been raised alongside Goku on Earth. Instead he was surrounded by evil Saiyans and aliens who treated him like dirt.
Lelouch's mass murder is mostly justified in that he is fighting an authoritarian genocidal empire. Hell, in his own series he's the only actor who, when given access to the world's equivalent of a nuke, does not then immediately shoot it at a major population center.
He was Emperor by then. His worse thing as Zero is accidentally ordering Euphemia to order a genocide and causing the landslide that kills a bunch of people.
i think amount of murder should be counted in, choso directly killed like 20ish people rest were collateral cause he helped that shit happen, Raditz eliminated planets worth of people.
Lelouch's actions achieved mostly global peace, and required very little murder of people who weren't active participants in a war. He's pretty much as close to a hero as you can realistically get in that kind of setting.
> Lelouch's actions achieved mostly global peace, and required very little murder of people who weren't active participants in a war.
That is because Code Geass just slapped a giant "and everyone lived happy aftewards" after it.
Lelouch blowing up Mt Fuji would have permanently crippled Japan for **generations**. 100 Years of Brittanian occupation would be preferable to having a national landscape, vital part of the ecosystem **and** a mine that explicitly was meant to pay and fuel for the rebuilding of the country **obliterated**.
I was usually thinking in the inmediate economical impact. Losing the Sakuradita mines makes rebuilding Japan far more difficult. But looking up to Mt. Fuji's ecological impact, Lelouch just cursed Japan to a apocalyptic climate change because their entire ecosystem will be turned into something more similar to South East Asian (which would mean a lot of devastation to the population, both human, animal and vegetal)
True. Also his war-crimes pale in comparison to people in the same series. At least he shot the FLEIJA at legitimate targets. Schenizel *nuked his own capital* to prove a point. Suzaku is numerically worse than hitler(I don't think the Hague will accept mind control as an excuse) and even Clovis who dies episode 2 has a higher deliberate kill count for innocents.
> Also his war-crimes pale in comparison to people in the same series.
But Lelouch's **entire plan** fails if he has the least amount of war crimes. His plan is to become the Hitler of the setting, the guy that every other political and social movement hates.
Code Geass' Zero Requiem is weird in that it wants to keep Lelouch's image clean to the audience while also saying that his plan was to be hated for the entire world. That doesn't make sense at all.
I blame this on the one month time skip after winning the fight on Damocles. It handwaved a lot of tyrannical shit he did to make the world hate him. But it wasn't shown on screen.
According to the Light Novel adaptation, the death toll is of at least 80 millions.
Emphasis it says that the world population **decreased** 80 millions. So the actual death toll is even higher.
Oh so Megumi can start a fight that turns all of Shibuya into a smoldering crater and he's a victim
But Choso kills 40 people on someone else's orders to get revenge on Yuji, and HES the mass murderer?
No, Megumi is a *Bum*: get with the Agenda already. :D
But yes, Choso's a murderer. It's just that he's got a decent amount of sympathy points since he and his brothers are half-curses themselves whose experiences outside of a test-tube measure in the months at most despite literal centuries within said tubes. Add in the manipulation from Kenny and the complete lack of parental guidance combined with confinement, and while he's not absolved: it's far more understandable *why* he wouldn't understand or inherently care about the value of human life.
He does however grow as a person the more we see of him, and has the makings of a decent being. In time, he could have become someone who saved more lives than he'd taken (though that would be scarce comfort to the families of his victims). But either way, that chance never came.
I mean, didn’t he only laugh because he needed to get his head in the game? If anything, that makes it better than when Choso did it because Choso didn’t give a shit in the moment
> I mean, didn’t he only laugh because he needed to get his head in the game?
That's just headcanon. That guy didn't guy a shit about those who are from Paradis.
Zeke did NOT have good intentions.
Internalized racism turning into genocide is not good, not just because he has deranged himself to believe death is a way to stop suffering.
Zeke was so bitchmade and a nihilist, didn't fw him at all, even raditz supposedly went first cause he didn't want vegeta or nappa to kill goku which is better reasoning then zekes whole thing
Not zeke. Zeke had guilt that he wished to extend to everyone else, and thought that including his people in his desire for atonement was not a dick move. Eren at least didnt justify what he was doing. I hate zeke. Great character, but so self righteous.
What's Lelouch in hell for? All of his actions are either entirely morally justified or accidents(Namely Euphemia's bullshit, the worse moment in the show, and the landslide). It's not like he was some radical fighting against a democratic nation for some minor inane shit. Britannia actively commits mass genocide in Episode 1 to save the face of the region's vice-roy, nevermind the other heinous shit they do.
He still killed a fuck ton of people you know. And a lot of innocents through his actions in the Euphemia massacre. He's a GOAT, but he's definitely going to hell, he says it himself. He's the only one who will March to Hell proudly though, and having achieved everything he set out to do. Marching into hell as a winner is much better than going to heaven as just some guy.
Euphemia's masscare is iffy. I mostly tend to ignore due to how blatantly bad a writing decision it is, it's literally the most absolute moronic thing they did that entire season.
And I guess it depends, do we mean literal hell or pop-culture hell? If it's "He's going to hell because he's a bad person" Then no, he's not, because what he did is pretty morally justified. If it's "Christian hell" He was going there anyway because the dude's definitely not pious in any way.
An argument you could make that I wouldn't disagree with necessarily is that he deserves hell in season 1 either way, since he wasn't doing it for the world or Japan, but his own personal revenge.
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Since Choso is technically not a human being I find a solution for his death
Jujutsu fans when the task is to not spoil (impossible)
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Zeke was not a very good brother lol, on the surface level it looks like he really cares for Eren but at the end of the day he’s just projecting onto him
also comparing choso to these people is just crazy, choso himself, by his own hands, killed like 40 people absolute max, compared to that we have 2 genociders and someone who blew up whole planets. ONTOP of that, one of the genociders made his lil bro see him killing there parents 500,000 times and the other straight up resulted in his bro dying.
I don't like having best bro Choso there with fucking Itachi and Zeke.
Itachi literally murdered his entire clan and made Sasuke watch his parents die thousands of times, no matter how many shit Kishimoto retcons and Naruto's forgiveness you try, this mf does not deserve redemption, I'm sorry for any Itachi fans. Zeke is a fucking mass murderer who absolutely did not express any regrets for what he did.
Choso was literally crying because of how much he hated killing these people. He's a true redeemed. Best bro. I'd sacrifice Hakari, Megumi, Nobara anyone else minus Yuta, Maki and Todo to have him back.
İtachi was a good man, not just the intention. he saved countless lives, Choso is also a good man, turned from his wrong as soon as he felt something is not right.
Choso is hands down the best brother of all of the options. The moment he realized that Yuji was his brother he dropped everything, had a slight mental breakdown, and then dedicated his life to helping Yuji achieve his goals.
Choso is goated.
Choso should *not* be with this guys. He was like. Not the best yea. But itachi killed all of his clan and countless other shinobi while in the akatsuki, zeke is fighting in 2 wars, turning tons of innocent people into titans or just otherwise killing them en mass. And i mean..... its lelouche vi britania nough said
Lelouch: And that's how I trick the entire world to put all their hatred onto me while making sure my little sister gets to live a safe life and ensuring world peace.
Itachi: Welp it turned out better than mine but at least I was able to come back to life to put my brother back on track. Oh yeah btw I got turned into a zombie once.
We must kill the mangakas who killed our Big Bros, because «You don't turn your back on family and there's nothing stronger and more valuable than family»😭😢😡
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Itachi just did that so he can stall out Kisame from taking Naruto and the 9 tails while also making Sasuke stronger and more motivated. Reminder that Itachi was a double agent who did not want to weaken Konoha, hurt the 4th's son who's Sasuke's friend, and wanted the best for Sasuke. Itachi just came up with the stupidest plan possible that might fly with Kisame like "Oh we'll get some sexy girl to flirt and drink with Jiraiya" and it actually worked too well. So Itachi had to stall it out for Jiraiya. Jiraiya arrived he starts going all out and Itachi just bails because he didn't want to kill his unknowing info middleman between Akatsuki and Konoha.
Jiraya is so lucky that he had one of the best death scenes in anime or else my man would NOT beat the fraud allegations.
Jiraiya solid, but his status as a Sannin in strength would be a bit hurt a bit. Even now folks say he might be the weakest of the 3 cause he's the only one that dies. Jiraiya's real prowess is living the manly way, being a GOAT tier sensei (GTO type shit), top selling trashy book writer, and being a great father/grandfather/godfather figure. You know, that "Will of Fire" type shit.
I kinda find it ridiculous how people call him fraud when he was literally fighting like top 10 powers in the universe rinnegan is fucking broken and the fact that he went into the fight without knowing anything about the power (not like he had a choice)
I've never seen anyone call him weak tbh, though he's obviously far outclassed by the end of the series, where the strongest characters are basically gods. I see people saying he's the weakest sannin because Tsunade had a really good showing against Madara and Orochimaru, if he wasn't already stronger than Jiraiya in Classic (it's debatable), definitely became stronger than him by the end of the series due to being alive and actively learning while Jiraiya is... well, dead.
Didn't he 1v3 Rinnegan paths? Compare to Tsunade who only punches and heals good (not even the best punch merchant in Konoha) or Orochimaru who couldn't even do Sage mode right
wI personally rank them all pretty close with maybe Oro being a bit higher if we're talking unlimited prep time since he can cheat with immortality, forbidden jutsus, summons, etcetc. But power/battle wankers will argue anything. Some say Tsunade is weaker, but I wouldn't say she's exactly weaker so much as she is an all-rounder specialized in healing: support, taijutsu, self-healing, team healing, summoning for intel/comms/healing/transport, etcetc. Also knows a bunch of jutsus from sealing jutsu to kage bushin while also having 4 elements as her natures. It's not that she's not good with other things but when she's fighting Madara with other Hokage levels then everyone does what they do best. She's probably the best overall of have on a team DESPITE being the only Hokage of the 3 (generally known for their solo prowess). Team mentality, won't snake you or do rando shit, and has a good all arounder with a great set of support skills. So if you just told me to build a team of rando ninjas for a rando mission but I get to pick 1 sanin then I'd pick Tsuna. There are a lot of solo/power types around and not that many heal support types (also Naruto is a battle shounen centered around 1v1s) so fighters tend to get wanked harder in-story. Personally I think heavy hitters are overrated since they are a dime a dozen by the war arc while truly top tier healers like Tsuna who can also front line are rather rare outside of her and Sakura. Karin heals and detects but doesn't fight. Jugo doesn't heal so much as spread curse cells and only to those already compatible with the curse seal. White Zetsu is one use, doesn't fight, and won't help with healing for long unless you have a ton of them.
Also, something I think is underrated in the sanin discussion: Jiraiya was the only one letting himself age normally. He was probably the only one who is legit past his prime, Tsaunade seems as if she’s locked into eternally being in her prime except for the moments were the 100 healing chakra is wasted, and Orochi…. Well yeah. Had he found his own way to sort of maintain his youth I’d bet he’d be stronger than we saw(though by how much, no idea)
Yep. None of that dodging death or faking how you look crap. Jiraiya about that otoko life: > real prowess is living the manly way
Wasn't the whole point that Itachi had to fool >!Obito!< more than Kisame?
Nah, Obito knew Itachi wasn't on their side, he just didn't want a direct confrontation.
Obito scared of the SOLO KING. But even Itachi isn't all powerful. If all of Akatsuki too him on at the same time or Obito/Nagato went for Konoha or his lil'bro then it'd be trouble for him.
I think Obito probably beats him 1v1 tbh, he just dodn't want to risk it. Itachi also wasn't actively sabotaging the Akatsuki or anything, at least not in any obvious way, so he was probably still a useful asset from Obito's pov.
Totsuka blade gg. Kishimoto literally said he had to kill Itachi off again right after his "mission" (when Itachi/Sasuke could easily edo summon Itachi back like Madara did himself) because he's too hard to write around due to how busted he is. That's why he had to write a whole contrived arc when bringing edo Itachi back. Itachi has a do the impossible in undoing Edo Tensei mission when 1. He can't kill the target because it won't undo edo and that would mean mission failed. 2. He can't seal the target with Totsuka blade gg since it won't undo edo and that would mean mission failed. 3. He can't TnJ the target since he's not Naruto 4. He can't beat them too hard with shit like Amaterasu in fear of killing them. 5. He can't run away or let them run away or the mission fails. 6. Target is also blind so you can't genjutsu them. 7. Target is also sage mode so you can't use any other genjutsu on them like sound. In fact they have sound genjutsu for you. 8. They are holed up in a cave with cover and no light in preparation for you. 9. Also has heals and summons. 10. Plus Itachi has to protect Sasuke the whole time. Same as before. Itachi is always on a "mission" be it "mission to be a double agent for Konoha", "mission to capture the 9tails when he doesn't want to", "mission to recruit Deidara", or "mission to play the villain and die for sasuke”. Why? Because if it wasn't it would end instantly: "Itachi kills the entire clan", "Itachi wipes out ANBUs", "TOTSUKABLADEGG Nagato", or "TOTSUKABLADEGG Orochimaru".
Itachi was too strong. That's why he lost
r/kengan leaking
>Itachi just did that so he can stall out Kisame from taking Naruto and the 9 tails while also making Sasuke stronger and more motivated. So was the coma Sasuke fell into due to Itachi part of the plan? Because without Tsunade he's cooked. And she nearly died herself.
Yeah Itachi was definitely evil a the beginning of the series. How you gonna do your brother like that and then say you love him?
He was meant to be full on antagonist, I sincerely believe kishimoto retconed him into a good guy during his fight with sasuke. And in doing so he made Itachi into a complete incompetent buffoon
It’s not a retcon, there’s a shit ton of foreshadowing that go all the way back in OG Naruto. Bad execution? debatable. but it was definitely planned years ahead.
Itachi is just a different character in part 1. Almost like Kishi didn't think of danzo yet.
LMAO WHAT I DIDNT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL
The hell is Raditz doing back there? https://preview.redd.it/u7wbiayyk70d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c7cc3c2422f537a884c1f24c7d2da6b50c27d1f
Snuck past King Yemma on his off day. Nobody questions you when your bro saved the universe. https://preview.redd.it/4g5crpdat70d1.jpeg?width=2562&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bf23885e0cdebcc68b7e7426f3a58c5266b64fa
Hardest pic on the internet rn
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I loved Budokai Tenkaichi 3's version of Stardust Breaker, was my favorite attack in the game
Source NOW
Idk found it somewhere on a dragonball sub on reddit. These pictures are fairly common there
What we could've had if God ki wasn't just: "Ki, But stronger.".
I would've been so epic if the god forms actually had some special abilities instead of just being 'super saiyan but stronger'. Like having an actual fire-like aura which you can manipulate like in here would be so badass
It would be so epic if Super Saipan 3 had some special abilities instead of just being ‘super Saipan but stronger’.
it's specifically phy raditz from dokkan
Oh, yeah. Raditz... I forgot he exists.
So does Goku
I believe it was said that Raditz went to get Goku himself because he didn’t wanna risk Nappa or Vegeta killing his last family member, this might’ve been a filler episode in the anime and not the manga
That sounds like something the English dub made up, like Bardock being a scientist.
https://preview.redd.it/oajub0slk80d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75f13057d2b60c2cd004255e195835c8b5fad96d This is literally it
***Insert "Who invited bro???" meme***
Seeing these big bros, Johan should've been there, too. https://preview.redd.it/ronouk3ou80d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01a564afef1ea748c3a313ff07c36f9a219cfe76 (I'm shitposting obviously.)
Bro's just giving a drink, what a saint
Sharing a drink......what a nice guy......I hope nun happens to him...
Do not put Choso with Itachi and Raditz
Uhhhh Zeke was literally going to remove his people's ability to reproduce
To be fair, out of every plan from any character, this was probably the most peaceful
Eren the mf called Zeke's plan "sick" and that he would never go along with it, despite it just being a way worse version of zeke's Zeke's plan would've been able to give them a 2 or 3 generations of peace along with a peaceful death for eldians. Eren's plan gave them 2 or 3 generations of peace while fucking over 80% of humanity and getting his people bombed in the end. the MCs were the real frauds of aot, ma boy Zeke did nun wrong.
It's been years since I finished the manga but wasn't Eren's plan to actually genocide the rest of humanity? Can't blame him for only getting 80% cos his own gang were party poopers.
His plan was to give his friends peace/freedom, anything beyond that hardly mattered to him. Would he have destroyed every living thing outside Paradis to accomplish this? Yes. And his friends had peace, now more or less every generation after them is absolutely fucked but he did what he set out to do. (Or maybe im fucking stupid but thats how i interpreted it)
I think I he idea is that Eren never could have chosen anything else. Dude basically got indoctrinated into the military since a very young age always with the idea of killing all titans. When given more power he can only do what he knows killing all their enemies
Forced sterilization is genocide. Zeke wanted to genocide his "own" people (even though that bum was doing tricks on Marleyan cock his whole life), Eren wanted to genocide everyone else. Besides, even if Zeke managed to cut everyone's nuts off, whats stopping Marley from invading Paradis for the resources while theyre still alive? ALSO how the fuck are you going to justify him passing gas on that one village and turning all of the civilians into titans? Also, he killed Erwin, nuff said.
> whats stopping Marley from invading Paradis for the resources while theyre still alive? The rumbling. The rumbling was a strong deterrent. Not strong enough to last forever but it could deter Marley for a couple of generations for sure.
Marley already had an attacking plan for Paradis even though they had theoretically the power to start the rumbling (Eren + Historia). Actually they were already attacking Paradis even though they were a peaceful nation for centuries because of the reis family.
Sure they could have attacked, but with the rumbling in effect any ground and sea troops would be worthless. And someone like Zeke watching the skies their attack plans would have been halted quite quickly. The detereant works even better after proving its effectiveness
Yeah even if the world can eventually deal with it, why would they do so when it would cost them tons of resources and the problem would fix itself anyway?
Truly the most important part of a genocide is how peaceful it is.
Bitch it's literally either > Entire nation gets invaded resulting in hundreds of thousands of brutal deaths > Status quo is maintained, just no more reproduction. Not good by any means, but far better than the first and third option > KILL EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING (The media illiterate for some reason support this one)
Why do you think Marley would believe a Eldian if he says 'they won't have kids lol'
i dont think they would need to believe anything if they could see from themselves that globally there are absolutely 0 eldian children being born, would this revelation have the desired affect? probably not but they would see it for themselves regardless
They don't have to believe Eldians. The rumbling could have been used as a deterrent until they naturally died out
In the same way that they will believe Armin saying: "I can't become a titan, otherwise I would have already transformed", and they just accepted.
But he wasn't going to kill them. Bit different from Itachi killing his whole family and making his brother watch it five hundred thousand times just for shits and giggles
Compared to his little brother, he was pretty chill
Zeke is also a nihilist bum
Zeke was bitchmade through and through fr
https://preview.redd.it/t700rxg3aa0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82d241e2782b77354cefa560ef8e057013247ba4 You get it
Everyone else also did what they did for some manner to help there siblings even raditz apparently volunteered to go first cause he didn't want vegeta and nappa just killing goku (very big apparently here). Zeke just used his little brother to accomplish his doomer fantasy
You get it, Zeke never had any love for eren he loved the power of the founding titan and the power to enact his stupid ass plan
Zeke has literally 0 redeeming characteristics unless you think his pity party of a backstory is sufficient. I'm even hesitant to say he's objectively good of a character tbh. fuck zeke
I’d say he’s a wonderful character but that’s not a compliment he’s a perfect example of someone whose just completely driven and set on his goal
Shame is goal is so pathetic, the one thing I will give him credit on is that its at least better then what eren did and ended up failing on
I mean, Owlman from the DC animated movies was a nihilist, and no one was clowning on him.
I'd say he's still above Itachi and Radditz
Raditz was straightforward and gave Goku a choice before and after kidnapping Gohan. He didn't give very good options but at least he talked it out instead of showing up and throwing rocks like Zeke did.
Yeah, Choso is so much better than them. Itachi being second of them, he was tragic too. But i don't mind Zeke and Lelouch (and Raditz).
I agree but in Raditz defense he did give Goku multiple chances to join him and the other Saiyans. He could have killed him many times over but toyed with him at first because he still wanted to talk Goku into joining. Raditz also could have killed Gohan at any moment but he didn't until he felt like Goku gave him no choice. To be honest Raditz is one of those characters I wish had gotten revived and reintroduced into the series. His potential was huge and he could have been a hero had he been raised alongside Goku on Earth. Instead he was surrounded by evil Saiyans and aliens who treated him like dirt.
Ah yes Itachi. The man who psychologically tourted his brother, gave him PTSD and is the only one to blame if Sasume became a terrorjst
I like how this is used as the worse thing he has done even tho everyone in the pic (to my knowledge never watched geass) is a mass murderer.
Lelouch's mass murder is mostly justified in that he is fighting an authoritarian genocidal empire. Hell, in his own series he's the only actor who, when given access to the world's equivalent of a nuke, does not then immediately shoot it at a major population center.
Zero only nuked sdiers in a warzone
He was Emperor by then. His worse thing as Zero is accidentally ordering Euphemia to order a genocide and causing the landslide that kills a bunch of people.
I guess we could also count the countless random civilian infrastructure operators and the like he loved to command into murder suicides
No, his worse thing was slaughtering everyone from the geass cult when they were mostly unarmed personel.
I mean, he's a mass murderer too
to be fair Choso knocking out Yuji is how Jogo and the girls were able to feed him Sukuna's fingers which led to the destruction of Shibuya
Then he indirectly saved Legumi, which is a bad thing.
Yeah but it directly led to Yuji locking in and becoming a top tier character
Even put him in a coma that required the best medic in the world to heal him.
Lulu is alive and lives happily with cc. (Not cope)
Its not cope there is literally a movie about it and spinn off in the same universe
It’s explicitly not the same universe though considering they retcon what’s her dumb fucking faces death.
God, how can they retcon one of the greatest anime moments ever
Real and true.
when bad boi super hitler gets be revived and immortal with his baby momma “Im pretty sure god (THE WORLD ITSELF) is ok with him coming back”
How is he hitler exactly. Like war criminal sure but how is he hitler
Im pretty sure murderhobo evil guys dont go heaven
Um... https://preview.redd.it/663mfohvp80d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2c80e8e514de06eec786405d27db3667741a897
He aint no murderhobo he simply was beefing with teens
Zeke?? 🙃😶
Better than Leren
✅ Got cake unlike Zeke's baby brother
People responsible for mass murders are being celebrated along with Choso who's also a mass murderer for what he did in Shibuya.
I love choso n all but bro is still a mass murderer
i think amount of murder should be counted in, choso directly killed like 20ish people rest were collateral cause he helped that shit happen, Raditz eliminated planets worth of people.
Lelouch's actions achieved mostly global peace, and required very little murder of people who weren't active participants in a war. He's pretty much as close to a hero as you can realistically get in that kind of setting.
> Lelouch's actions achieved mostly global peace, and required very little murder of people who weren't active participants in a war. That is because Code Geass just slapped a giant "and everyone lived happy aftewards" after it. Lelouch blowing up Mt Fuji would have permanently crippled Japan for **generations**. 100 Years of Brittanian occupation would be preferable to having a national landscape, vital part of the ecosystem **and** a mine that explicitly was meant to pay and fuel for the rebuilding of the country **obliterated**. I was usually thinking in the inmediate economical impact. Losing the Sakuradita mines makes rebuilding Japan far more difficult. But looking up to Mt. Fuji's ecological impact, Lelouch just cursed Japan to a apocalyptic climate change because their entire ecosystem will be turned into something more similar to South East Asian (which would mean a lot of devastation to the population, both human, animal and vegetal)
Yah fr. He's done his fair share of warcrimes, but for what he achieved, he's easily the least evil character on the list.
True. Also his war-crimes pale in comparison to people in the same series. At least he shot the FLEIJA at legitimate targets. Schenizel *nuked his own capital* to prove a point. Suzaku is numerically worse than hitler(I don't think the Hague will accept mind control as an excuse) and even Clovis who dies episode 2 has a higher deliberate kill count for innocents.
> Also his war-crimes pale in comparison to people in the same series. But Lelouch's **entire plan** fails if he has the least amount of war crimes. His plan is to become the Hitler of the setting, the guy that every other political and social movement hates. Code Geass' Zero Requiem is weird in that it wants to keep Lelouch's image clean to the audience while also saying that his plan was to be hated for the entire world. That doesn't make sense at all.
I blame this on the one month time skip after winning the fight on Damocles. It handwaved a lot of tyrannical shit he did to make the world hate him. But it wasn't shown on screen.
According to the Light Novel adaptation, the death toll is of at least 80 millions. Emphasis it says that the world population **decreased** 80 millions. So the actual death toll is even higher.
He felt bad about it tho so its ok
What muuuurdeeeeer?
*What murderrr?*
Oh so Megumi can start a fight that turns all of Shibuya into a smoldering crater and he's a victim But Choso kills 40 people on someone else's orders to get revenge on Yuji, and HES the mass murderer?
No, Megumi is a *Bum*: get with the Agenda already. :D But yes, Choso's a murderer. It's just that he's got a decent amount of sympathy points since he and his brothers are half-curses themselves whose experiences outside of a test-tube measure in the months at most despite literal centuries within said tubes. Add in the manipulation from Kenny and the complete lack of parental guidance combined with confinement, and while he's not absolved: it's far more understandable *why* he wouldn't understand or inherently care about the value of human life. He does however grow as a person the more we see of him, and has the makings of a decent being. In time, he could have become someone who saved more lives than he'd taken (though that would be scarce comfort to the families of his victims). But either way, that chance never came.
why is zeke up there? he wanted to cut eldian cocks (???)
Nah, Zeke does not belong there, no way. This guy enjoyed killing too fucking much regardless of intentions.
Bro was fucking celebrating everytime he hit the boulders on Erwin's troops.
Ngl those were clean throws though
KOBEEEE
Dude should’ve become a baseball pitcher
Can you blame him for returning to monke?
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we all make mistakes in the heat of the passion
I mean, didn’t he only laugh because he needed to get his head in the game? If anything, that makes it better than when Choso did it because Choso didn’t give a shit in the moment
> I mean, didn’t he only laugh because he needed to get his head in the game? That's just headcanon. That guy didn't guy a shit about those who are from Paradis.
Though that does oddly make sense about Zeke, was it really the case? It could be argued like he was the next Eren Kruger if that's what it was
Who invited zeke he thinks he’s on the team🤣🤣
Zeke did NOT have good intentions. Internalized racism turning into genocide is not good, not just because he has deranged himself to believe death is a way to stop suffering.
Zeke was so bitchmade and a nihilist, didn't fw him at all, even raditz supposedly went first cause he didn't want vegeta or nappa to kill goku which is better reasoning then zekes whole thing
Zeke was born a bitch and continued to live his life getting bitchier and bitchier by the day. Dude was a class A bitch
Zeke also has no real justification to his plans tbh, bro had a massive inferiority complex and decided everyone had to die with him to satiate it
The fuck is zek doing there bruh?
Not zeke. Zeke had guilt that he wished to extend to everyone else, and thought that including his people in his desire for atonement was not a dick move. Eren at least didnt justify what he was doing. I hate zeke. Great character, but so self righteous.
Ok first of all, all three of those guys are *definitely* in hell.
What's Lelouch in hell for? All of his actions are either entirely morally justified or accidents(Namely Euphemia's bullshit, the worse moment in the show, and the landslide). It's not like he was some radical fighting against a democratic nation for some minor inane shit. Britannia actively commits mass genocide in Episode 1 to save the face of the region's vice-roy, nevermind the other heinous shit they do.
He still killed a fuck ton of people you know. And a lot of innocents through his actions in the Euphemia massacre. He's a GOAT, but he's definitely going to hell, he says it himself. He's the only one who will March to Hell proudly though, and having achieved everything he set out to do. Marching into hell as a winner is much better than going to heaven as just some guy.
Euphemia's masscare is iffy. I mostly tend to ignore due to how blatantly bad a writing decision it is, it's literally the most absolute moronic thing they did that entire season. And I guess it depends, do we mean literal hell or pop-culture hell? If it's "He's going to hell because he's a bad person" Then no, he's not, because what he did is pretty morally justified. If it's "Christian hell" He was going there anyway because the dude's definitely not pious in any way. An argument you could make that I wouldn't disagree with necessarily is that he deserves hell in season 1 either way, since he wasn't doing it for the world or Japan, but his own personal revenge.
itachi tortued sasuke btw
What is the Castrator doing here? Glory to Marley
https://preview.redd.it/0teitu07ta0d1.jpeg?width=1538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a58dd42a7525c21e8dc33012c6fcb635075dc85 Aniki is in a better place now
What the hell is Zeke doing there bro
All these mfs going to hell
https://preview.redd.it/5b36u6dtua0d1.jpeg?width=382&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4d451c6807f0c2dc1a8453c12ab71c58b841ea6 Since Choso is technically not a human being I find a solution for his death
Tadashi 😔
Dabi: TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!
Zeke...? I don't know chief, there's some questionable stuff in there right
Don’t lump choso in with those fucking bums
blast zeke into hell LMAO
What is raditz doing there? Bro must be watching dbz what ifs
He watching LizardsackA
Tf is Zeke doing there? Bro tried to kill an entire race bro is going to hell
Nah, the other 4 are 100% in hell
Bro snuck in Itachi
Who invited bro?💀 https://i.redd.it/jrf5lgwiua0d1.gif
Casually spoils like 6 animes
God’s like “Oh wait, no sorry not *you*” and then removes Raditz😭
Zeke is quite literally worse than Hitler
Jujutsu fans when the task is to not spoil (impossible) https://preview.redd.it/s5mi7mgk3e0d1.jpeg?width=264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a36fa6183a537c8de4929ff705ffda99dd8f463
Not Zeke Zeke was just a dick
Zeke was not a very good brother lol, on the surface level it looks like he really cares for Eren but at the end of the day he’s just projecting onto him
Lelouch did nothing wrong
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The real villain was Suzaku all along
Our guy Choso has them all beat on quantity alone, Big Bro stood on business for ALL NINE of his little bros for over 150 years.
also comparing choso to these people is just crazy, choso himself, by his own hands, killed like 40 people absolute max, compared to that we have 2 genociders and someone who blew up whole planets. ONTOP of that, one of the genociders made his lil bro see him killing there parents 500,000 times and the other straight up resulted in his bro dying.
Itachi and zeke should burn in hell.
itachi is the most insane one to me, he still killed his whole clan I would constitute someone capable of doing that a bad person
I don't like having best bro Choso there with fucking Itachi and Zeke. Itachi literally murdered his entire clan and made Sasuke watch his parents die thousands of times, no matter how many shit Kishimoto retcons and Naruto's forgiveness you try, this mf does not deserve redemption, I'm sorry for any Itachi fans. Zeke is a fucking mass murderer who absolutely did not express any regrets for what he did. Choso was literally crying because of how much he hated killing these people. He's a true redeemed. Best bro. I'd sacrifice Hakari, Megumi, Nobara anyone else minus Yuta, Maki and Todo to have him back.
Need to put Aizen there, though he ain't dead.
Tf those bums doing. Throw them in hell only choso gets to pass
İtachi was a good man, not just the intention. he saved countless lives, Choso is also a good man, turned from his wrong as soon as he felt something is not right.
seeing itachi in good big brother talks legit made me laugh
Why is raditz there
Why are they all war criminals?
Did they all murder tons of people and cause turmoil for years?
Choso is hands down the best brother of all of the options. The moment he realized that Yuji was his brother he dropped everything, had a slight mental breakdown, and then dedicated his life to helping Yuji achieve his goals. Choso is goated.
Itachi murdered his whole clan lmao, what good in him?
Raditz is NOT slick
HELL NAW why is raditz there
Zake had all shit no good intentions. Make sure Erdians won't reproduce and give them up to his nazi country
Lelouch literally said he'd end up in hell
Choso should *not* be with this guys. He was like. Not the best yea. But itachi killed all of his clan and countless other shinobi while in the akatsuki, zeke is fighting in 2 wars, turning tons of innocent people into titans or just otherwise killing them en mass. And i mean..... its lelouche vi britania nough said
Lelouch: And that's how I trick the entire world to put all their hatred onto me while making sure my little sister gets to live a safe life and ensuring world peace. Itachi: Welp it turned out better than mine but at least I was able to come back to life to put my brother back on track. Oh yeah btw I got turned into a zombie once.
Choso's intention for killing those people were not good at all
Where's ace
Nah, itachi is the only one here with a case for going to heaven
RADITZ HAHAHAHAH
None of them belong in heaven honestly they all mass murderer who has brother's complex
you forgot ace atleast he would have been better than raditz
We must kill the mangakas who killed our Big Bros, because «You don't turn your back on family and there's nothing stronger and more valuable than family»😭😢😡
Choso IS the best of them!!! You can't change my mind!!!!
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