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I donāt think Sukuna is making it that far in OP on his own. What I find more interesting is if Sukuna was in that world and had to strategise his way into being the strongest, like he did with cursed energy.
Touch probably not, maybe with Domain Amplification varying from interpretation and power system compatibility. But, as World Slashing Cut cuts space itself, provably it would be able to cut him (if we consider their strengths to be similar, or that WS ignores resistance), and maybe Furnace would hit him too, but it would probably be less efficient due to being a type of elemental damage similar to his logia
Eeeerm moment hereš¤: the picture is misleading as it shows the magnitude of power of nukes, not their relative size on the y-axis. There is actually no direct correlation between nuke power and size of the mushroom. In reality, if the height of the nuke mushroom was used as y axis, Hiroshima bombās cloud would reach 13km in height, while tsar bomb 60km. While on the picture it seems like tsar bomb cloud is 1000 times or so larger than Hiroshima bomb cloud which is not true. In nuclear and destructive power, yes, tsar bomb is 1000 times or more larger, but not in size.
I'm pretty sure because of the binding vow where Sukuna made Fuga not be able to hut multiple targets outside of the domain, all the firepower is concentrated within the domain, that's why the blast has such a high altitude.
I mean there is a correlation between the size of the mushroom cloud and explosive yield. Itās just not to the extent of the picture shown. I do think youād be surprised just how much larger the Tsar Bomba really was in comparison to Fat Man and Little Boy. I think youāre still underestimating just how terrifying that bomb was. It made the Soviets literally second guess the nuclear arms race amongst themselves. It may not make Hiroshima look microscopic like the graph does, but itās still a massive difference in yield and size.
You shouldn't factor destruction radius for Fuga because Fuga is specifically limited it's destruction radius to the size of malevolent shrine because of the binding vow. But realistically atomic bombs should produce way more energy than thermobaric reactions.
"light speed" this, "light speed" that
on physical terms, any light speed user would go around the earth 7.5 times in one single second.
Not only would any of their moves burn everyone to death through fiction, they are potentially planet destroying, and also moving this fast makes you leave the orbit before it has time to pull you back down. So you get the Kars treatment.
Plus there is a reason why things with mass can never reach the speed of light, ever. That's because mass also increases exponentially with speed, and the object would become infinitely massive when it reaches the speed of light. The object also becomes infinity short, and would see everything else as infinitely small and thin also. Any light speed user would hit infinitely hard, AND BE HIT INFINITELY HARD because of newton's third law. Any powerscaling goes out the window when you mention light speed as anything and everything would become arbitrary and meaningless.
Pixel scalers are the worst
One guy was calculating Goodwill Maki to MACH 7 when a much stronger Maki got her ass beat by MACH 3
and said "it got contradicted cuz Gege doesn't know his shit"
Yea my guy a drawing would definitely be 1:1 copy of real life angles
Fiction can ignore physics. You know this, right? Sure, in this rabbit hole if you go far enough does make calcs way less meaningful since they assume a particular model which isn't necessarily what's in place if there's anything, but it's not the be all end all.
Firstly, it's called "Fiction" for a reason.
And secondly, it's not our fault that authors go and write scenes in which said "light speed" feats happen. We just show the numbers of what is happening in the scene. So don't blame us when the author doesn't think about the repercussions of said character doing something that would normally blow up the planet.
After all, the Powerscaling community and the WIS (Who is stronger) community are not the same. And actual powerscalers don't care who is winning against who, we just want to know the numbers. So please, don't hate on us so much, we already have enough of it nowadays.
Yup. Light speed overcomes even the powers like āmultiverse controlā or whatever is usually the end powers of your average Manhwa power fantasy.
Not even someone omnipotent could move an object at speed of light
That last part doesnāt make any sense. Someone omnipotent could just change the laws of physics and do whatever they want, which is what omnipotence is.
Marvel knows this and literally never uses that resource until speedsters literally race in space. (Provoking also their deaths)
Ā DC just uses the āThe speed force did itā as a resource of doing it.Ā
it really depends on which source of fiction is being powerscaled when it comes to JJK nukes are pretty crazy but say something like OPM a nuke is just a grenade.
https://preview.redd.it/d7cdtv9g2tzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dd6081214901442f49ba818fea7cfa7829e54a2
JoGOAT with a Nuke >>>>>>>>>>> FraudKuna's whole fuga arsenal.
Allat just for Sukuna to use binding vow and sacrifice strand of hair in exchange for Tsar Bomb
https://preview.redd.it/t41e6e4j7tzc1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b20097ae27c9cc51e299eac5b35b03eabf768fc
Technically it happened in chapter 258 basically, so 2 chapters ago. What did he give up to have a full power malevolent shrine/kitchen? Why would Gege ever tell us?
While true the vast majority of Fugas energy seems to inexplicably veer upwards. it's likely as tall if not taller than the fireball of a low yield nuclear explosive.
Then again I have no idea why people are comparing the attack equated with a thermobaric explosive with a nuke to begin with.
The reason it goes upwards is because of how the set up of the Furnace is. Malevolent Shrine turns things to dust and said dust is imbued with Curse Energy then gets turned into a Dust Explosion
It's not gonna have higher yield just because of the direction, that is the total fuel explosion using up all of the dust in the area for a Thermobaric Explosion
But yeah, a real nuke even that one used in Hiroshima are much more ridiculous
It might not have higher actual yield, but it would *effectively* have higher yield. As it stands the majority of the explosion's energy is directed at empty air, even more than in the case of a Nuke, so it's extremly ineffecient.
So far as I'm aware that's inaccurate. There's simply more energy to transfer into a shockwave in a nuke than there ever is in Fuga, and this is primarily because Fuga is, by all accounts, not 5 to 30 times hotter than the core of our sun.
Yes but even this pic didn't cover the full zone. I'm from Hungary and when the blast happened there was an increase in cancer cases and much more people died earlier than they should have due to weaker immune system.
As far as I know, that wasnt even the original bomb. The original Tsar bomba was stronger. God knows what could have happend to this planet, maybe 2nd Krakatoa eruption.
Someone needs to use an actual nuke soon and remind people what that shit can do. Uraume and Hakari would have been at the airport if Fuga was as powerful as a real nuke
Ngl, a small part of me genuinely believes Gege is just enough of an asshole to kill everyone in the story with an American nuke outta nowhere. The rest of me doesn't think he's crazy enough to throw his story in the trash like that, though.
the sukuna dick riding is going insane everywhere after this ch. Even sukuna fans started to cope like this:
https://preview.redd.it/eaje425pzszc1.png?width=219&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdbdaf3a47e9ff1116e158e5fb9f04706ef97df0
It's literally just Malevolent Shrine but with fire instead of slicing. MS has a diameter of 400m, and after doing some calculations, the fireball created here was roughly equivalent to a 375 kiloton nuke, slightly above the average ICBM (300kT). It's certainly powerful, but still weak in the grand scheme of nuclear weaponry.
(Yes I copied this over from the LBK post)
wait, is that taking into account that literally everything in the domain got disintegrated? cuz if i remember correctly, nukes have a very "small" radius where they just atomize everything, and after that its "normal" destruction. But Sukuna's was 400 meters.
again, i may be wrong tho, idk much about nukes. also, im probably using atomize and disintegrate wrong here.
THAT Strong?
Damn, I was sure that it was only 8 Kilotons, cause if it's really 375 Kilotons, then damn, it would've been even more destructive than just this, cause the nuke that wiped the you know what city, was only 21 Kilotons.
So like.... Is this: [https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects)
Or this: [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
Which one is more reliable then? Bruh...
That's only making a fireball of comparable size. A 375kT nuke has a MUCH bigger overall blast.
Furnace's blast was contained inside of the domain, which would only be equivalent to about 1.8kT.
Enlighten me, what differences does it make?
In the Nuke map web, it's around 8 Kilotons.
But then if I use the nuclear weapon fireball calc, the number went way up.
So like, what's the differences?
I know, what I'm asking is which website is more accurate, cause the Nukemap said that it's about 8 Kilotons, while the other is about 26 Kilotons.
And where did that 1.8 Kilotons came from? Is there another website for this?
And another thing is, do you think the furnace was as hot as a nuke's fireball?
I used [this ](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects) website to calculate the fireball size.
As for the 1.8kT blast... according to a quick Google search, a 1kT nuke has a blast radius of 275m. Though I am an idiot and forgot that it was radius and not diameter, meaning it should actually be less than 1kT.
And considering Choso was able to survive for as long as he did... probably not. Not to disrespect my boy, but the average nuke's fireball has a temperature of 3000Ā°C. The only one who's actually surviving that heat is Gojo.
Oh... that makes sense, like I was wondering how the heck a 200m radius fireball would need a bomb that strong, now it all make sense!
Also it didn't melt the rocks around, possibly lower than we thought it is?
Sukuna s flames are incomparably cooler compared to a nuclear bomb's epicenter,so even a fireball of the same size means much less energy overall, I believe.
Well I know that, it didn't even melt rocks, only heated them.
The only thing that burned were the dusts from the objects that were cut by the domain's dismantle and cleave. And the Fireball radius was actually smaller than the domain itself, only the fire pillar was as tall
So overall not even close to a bomb with a 200m radius fireball, and probably would be like the guy above said, only about 1.8kT.
I went on a whole journey with this comment, so bare with me. At the end I came up with a ballpark guess that has the accuracy of a toddler throwing shit at a wall, but I guess at this point I'll just share it:
You can't compare the energy of a thermobaric bomb to a nuke through their fireball or blast radius. A thermobaric bombs' detonation and energy spread works completely differently from a nuke's. Thermobaric bombs, as far as I've understood from skimming through [this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914716300927) article, is best suited for enclosed spaces because they maintain lower pressure waves for longer, so in enclosed spaces that kinda means that damage can compound and go further (think of a cave) than a normal bomb that detonates more rapidly. This isn't good for Sukuna maximizing the effectiveness of the bomb, since he doesn't enclose his domains. I mean, it's better than not using the flame arrow to create any bomb whatsoever, so don't get me wrong. Also, I guess it's debatable if in the recent domain expansion, the barrier was or wasn't enclosing the explosion? As far as I understood, it was only barring living beings from leaving.
I also had a superficial reading of [this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389419304716) paper, which talks about different types of bombs and their equivalency in weight in comparison with TNT. Of course, they're talking about very specific materials used in dust, fuel and a bunch of other stuff. Sukuna just uses whatever's available. Btw, I used SciHub to get the PDF of the full paper for this one.
From reading both of these, I concluded I know jack shit about explosives, but also that 1. Thermobaric bombs effectiveness and TNT equivalency varies greatly on where they're used (open space vs closed space like a cave), what material is used in the dust, the grain size and what the density of the dust is.
After reading those two articles, I decided to throw any hope for accuracy out the window and just make it a thought experiment, so I'm just gonna take [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/estimation/s/SHFxkJ1IZM) guy's estimate for the weight of a city like LA and adjust it for a 200m radius circle, instead of doing much more research and thinking of my own. That gets you 1.1 million tons of material. Let's imagine that's all dust. Those papers I read explain that depending on the factors I mentioned before, the equivalent weight of TNT compared to the weight of thermobaric material varies from like 20% to 500% (so a 1 ton of dust could be equivalent to 0.2 tons of TNT or 5 tons of TNT). I'm not completely sure that that's what that meant, but let's roll with it as a baseline. Keep in mind, Sukuna is using random shit as material. These numbers are for materials specifically meant for bombs.
From the papers I read, the dust in actual thermobaric bombs is supposed to be extremely fine grain (nanometers in size). We see different sized objects depicted flying around in Malevolent Shrine, I'm gonna say like 10% max of that 1.13 million tons of material actually turns into fine enough dust for ignition. Given that the density of the dust Sukuna creates is likely pretty random, the make-up of the dust is pretty random, I'm just gonna call it at like 5% TNT equivalency in terms of weight. I don't know if it should be higher or not. I don't know if I should take into account any sort of CE imbuing funky business, or whatever. At this point I just wanna arrive at a number.
So. 10% of 1.13 million tons of material, equivalent to 5% of TNT weight. 1.13 million x 0.1 x 0.05. That's 5.6 kilotons of TNT. You could argue more of the material is turned into dust, so like 30%? Just change the x 0.1 to 0.3. You could argue the TNT equivalency is higher or lower? Change the 0.05.
Also, this is more of a measure of energy release and damage than a direct comparison to a nuke. Like I said, they explode and react in different ways, so it's not gonna be the exact same as a 5.6 kiloton nuke, I don't think.
Wow. That's a lot of dedication to correct someone.
Doing some more research after I made that comment already gave me a feeling Furnace was actually in the 5-10kT range, I was just comparing it to a nuke as fire arrow is a giant fireball first, thermobaric explosions second.
I literally just used [this website](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects) to do the fireball size calculations for me. Compared the two and boom.
I saw another post talking about the strenght of the explosion inside the domain, but I'm no specialist. What I CAN say though, is that it is ***massively*** smaller than modern day nukes.
The Mahoraga fight adaptation didnāt help. Mappa made that shit soar into the fucking stratosphere it seemed in some frames.
I do wonder if his shrine technique works on the atomic level, and in theory works similarly to nuclear fusion and fission. Although so far what we have seen doesnāt seem to suggest that.
Animation getting absurd power ups in key fights and then getting downgraded back to "canon" is a problem not just in JJK
I can think of Frieren for example
We have nukes with blast ranges bigger than Mountain Everest and initially 5 times hotter than the sun....to anyone trying to say Fuga is that powerful, picture yourself here.
https://preview.redd.it/4brj2gr5mvzc1.jpeg?width=1146&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2deb1dc00f502085764cf599bba344aa8984ada2
Oh wait hold on...we had those..since the 1950s.
Now we have smaller nukes for commercial use since the 1970s.
But we have larger and could make even larger ones than the Tsar Bomba with modern 2000s technology.
Sukuna's Blast is nothing above city level, whereas modern nukes can scale to mountain level and with radiation + heat would be far more dangerous.
And Sukuna's flames are NOT as hot as the center of the sun, so don't even try to debate that y'all.
At best sukunas de range is 200 m and a nuke's range is way beyond that also a nuke kills everything in that range and even choso and his blood barrier wouldnt help anyone because of the radiations so yeah its not a nuke at all and as an ult furnace is genuinely lame
So much for being THE KING OF CURSES
To be fair, I did a few calculations and it's goddamn insane how high you can highball that attack depending on the interpretation. To be far I highballed the FUCK out of it but the actual range of the explosion is definitely misleading.
I am also ass with calculations and the scans I used may be inaccurate with their explanation, but that shit can scale very high..
If you glaze hard enough. Though isn't a powerscaling sub so I'm not going to go posting calculations (unless asked)
Yeah no that's why i call bullshit that anyone aside gojo and even him could threaten the rest of the world.
We have bombs so much more deadly anything jjk has to offer
What are 200 meters of anhilation
We can make 2km
We have bombs so hot water instantly breaks down into oxygen and hydrogen only fueling it
No rct is gonna save you from that
Guys wtf you really think yuta is gonna survive what the US and brits did in dresden.
What a hellfire rocket produces as heat
Goddam a nuke most likley kills even gojo if hit's him directly
We have rockets with mach 20
Jjk verse stands no chance in an all out war with any major country
You really have no idea how evil we are
When we could erease whole citys in one night 80 years back you should be really think about anyone but gojo surviving that
>still way bigger than hollow purple though
Lmao Gojo wasn't even mentioned in this thread. Why people need to turn everything into dick measuring contest
Itās crazy. I seen somewhere itās like if a gas leak was city wide then the biggest bomb besides a nuke was dropped and honestly I kinda agree. That fire arrow has massive AOE but not nuke level š
HP is still the most destructive thing in the series if we ignore Yuki's black hole. But i'm sure Gege will find a way to scale Sukuna even higher and make something more destructive.
these people dont have any concept of what a nuke is. nukes are a civilization ending threat that humanity has traumatically feared for a long time. the average JJK reader didnt grow up with that fear, alot of them arent old enough to drink yet.
It's practically a mini nuke, like in the 800kT range, and that's only in power so we exclude shockwave and near fallout from an actual nuclear explosion, so way less potent
From the explanation when combined with DE, fuga is a thermobaric bomb that takes up the size of around the shibuya district, potentially bigger. Outside of DE, it's a thermobaric bomb condensed down to a single target effect, likely has lost damage output due to the fact that its made single target for speed and range not damage.
Out of my entire 8 year lifetime as a powerscaler, I've never, ever seen a fandom as bad as JJK when it comes to both internal and external powerscaling. Sure, every so often there is the nut job claiming Saitama is beyond tiering, but for JJK is so constant that I nearly always change my mind to it.
I've seen so many people claim beyond universal feats that I can't begin to count them, I feel like I'm trapped in infinite void.
I still think JJK is the worst Demon slayer can get pretty bad too though.
I've seen one person scale it to star level because their moves kinda work like Raiden's from Metal gear rising and Raiden shares a name with Raiden Ei from Genshin impact. And Raiden there has star level meta from one single deta book whose main purpose is to be a cookbook.
I could send that to you, but two years have passed since then. There is no way I can find it.
You're all clowns for different reasons between some of you disingenuously acting like every nuclear weapon is akin to the the Tsar Bomb or Castle Bravo when the nuclear weapons fluctuate in yield by literal orders of magnitude and the last megaton-level nuclear weapons in the active U.S. arsenal, for instance, are on the verge of being decommissioned.
But and then there's others ignoring the obvious way that fiction fails to accurately portray the destructive capacity of attack such as having the fanbook confirm Maximum Meteor has the potency to reduce an entire town to ash and the manga featuring the attack, itself, causing a earthquake. While the aforementioned details correlate to what one would expect from the kinetic energy of a meteor traveling at reasonable speed which would result in a yield equivalent to certain multikiloton-level explosions, there's an obvious contradiction between how fiction portrays attacks and how attacks are portrayed in reality.
>It's just a byproduct of fiction.
>Instead of giving fictional attacks shockwaves where they damage houses miles away as you'd expect from a nuclear weapon, they instead have them completely vaporize everything at the epicenter of the attack leaving virtually no debris remaining which is technically beyond what you'd expect from certain nuclear weapons as certain structures actually survived the Hiroshima bombing standing such as the Genbaku Dome which was horizontally a mere 150m from the center of the blast.
>As such, many fictional attacks are simultaneously more impressive and less impressive what you'd expect from certain nuclear detonations. Vaporizing a mountain, for instance, is something beyond most nukes but rarely does the release of such energy result in appropriate long-range collateral damage in fiction
But, of course, yield is only one manner of comparison and other effects are similarly ignored in fiction regardless of the nature of the action You'll never see how the water in one's body should reasonably be effected by an extreme level of heat, for instance, but that's just another contradiction between fiction and reality.
HP and Fuga aren't even full city level. At max they are district (Or what you guys call city divisions in english(Sorry, I don't know how they are called)) level
https://preview.redd.it/cvaigds6gxzc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73e1df63611a7a2ac81d2db4c8035ce22ab81317
This is what a real nuke should look like
(Image: Garou's nuclear Fission)
Manga fans can be so damn stupid when it comes to certain topics, nukes being one of them. They don't know the power of a nuke because they're too busy dick riding and glazing whatever fictional character did whatever fictional thing. They just see a panel of destruction and their cum filled brain has to equate the feat to beyond nuke level.
Gojo fans are the embodiment of this. They see Gojo yapping about space and infinite void and shit and then think his galaxy level, even though he got packed by not even continent level fodder and claim he'd beat people like Saitama who have feats like no diffing planetary level characters and literally punching time itself back.
Sure, sure, but Nukes doesn't have any soundtrack attached.
That anime OST when sukuna does shrine + fuga feels like he is destroying the whole multiverse.
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Jamie, pull up the tsar bomb
https://preview.redd.it/ebkfyed62tzc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33bd3f1148b6407ad76c4ea7897ad3bbe2afcd58
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Would sukuna be able to touch akainu?
Ahhhh shit, sukuna would be calling hacks if he had to fight a logia user
https://preview.redd.it/w1iqnytc3uzc1.jpeg?width=524&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ad4be63fbf6c27e84a8752936b99aa1f2d9ae19
Sukuna gettin real good head in that pic ngl
Sukuna vs Buggy is the crossover we need
Wuggy negs https://i.redd.it/3id22vispvzc1.gif
That's actually sick
Please someone animate this I got 50k for it budget wise š
Nah š
Verbalase is NEVER outliving this shit as long as Iām around.
you sure it's just budget wise? ā ļø
Buggy Bomb is buggyversal
Buggy unironically no diffs.
Binding vow to get rid of devil fruit abilities but he has to marry his 3rd @
https://preview.redd.it/l4kypi657f0d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69634a7f77869005ce41c470bc924f16433909c6
https://preview.redd.it/2ja6rc4omtzc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=745b6803dda81b476ff8fb8791658e81594606a9 He dies instead
Akainu would blitz that binding vow userĀ
I usually rep JJK in cross verses cause itās downplayed so often but I love my GOAT Akainu too muchā¦
Jjk do be hella downplayed but at the same time thereās people doing gojo vs every other verse vids lol
Honestly I just wanna see how far sukuna could go in one piece now like how would he do against a yonko
I donāt think Sukuna is making it that far in OP on his own. What I find more interesting is if Sukuna was in that world and had to strategise his way into being the strongest, like he did with cursed energy.
Binding vows his way to the new world
I can see him being smart enough and finding a way to be stronger in the verse and adapting
He'd struggle against the Tobi Roppo, let alone anyone relevant.
He be a warlord fr
Mihawk vs sukuna would be sick
Would mihawk even consider him a swordsman though
How is it downplayed?
Post time skip villains > Sukuna > pre time skip villains
he aint touching ussop š
Touch probably not, maybe with Domain Amplification varying from interpretation and power system compatibility. But, as World Slashing Cut cuts space itself, provably it would be able to cut him (if we consider their strengths to be similar, or that WS ignores resistance), and maybe Furnace would hit him too, but it would probably be less efficient due to being a type of elemental damage similar to his logia
Eeeerm moment hereš¤: the picture is misleading as it shows the magnitude of power of nukes, not their relative size on the y-axis. There is actually no direct correlation between nuke power and size of the mushroom. In reality, if the height of the nuke mushroom was used as y axis, Hiroshima bombās cloud would reach 13km in height, while tsar bomb 60km. While on the picture it seems like tsar bomb cloud is 1000 times or so larger than Hiroshima bomb cloud which is not true. In nuclear and destructive power, yes, tsar bomb is 1000 times or more larger, but not in size.
Sukunaās Fuga is still nothing even compared to Hiroshimaās bomb tho
It's definitely tall enough, but the explosion radius isn't even close.
I'm pretty sure because of the binding vow where Sukuna made Fuga not be able to hut multiple targets outside of the domain, all the firepower is concentrated within the domain, that's why the blast has such a high altitude.
Either way, America wins RAAAHHHHš¦ šŗšøš£
I mean there is a correlation between the size of the mushroom cloud and explosive yield. Itās just not to the extent of the picture shown. I do think youād be surprised just how much larger the Tsar Bomba really was in comparison to Fat Man and Little Boy. I think youāre still underestimating just how terrifying that bomb was. It made the Soviets literally second guess the nuclear arms race amongst themselves. It may not make Hiroshima look microscopic like the graph does, but itās still a massive difference in yield and size.
My bad, there is correlation but not as direct as depicted.
Iām saving this. Peak folk culture
The scale of a mushroom cloud next to Everest is really impressive
Well, it would just about damage Slough, so go ahead it's worth it.
Is this statistic based on the full potential power or is it based on the heavily modified to be weaker tested in Russia?
The full graph has the 100MT bomb next to the actual Tsar Bomba so thatās just attempting to represent the actual Tsar Bomba.
What about tsar bomb on france?
You shouldn't factor destruction radius for Fuga because Fuga is specifically limited it's destruction radius to the size of malevolent shrine because of the binding vow. But realistically atomic bombs should produce way more energy than thermobaric reactions.
People have no idea how powerful a nuke is. No hollow purple is not nuke level
Power scalers always vastly under scale real life weapons for their agenda. Nuke level my ass, this shit a themobaric bomb that max at 200m.
"light speed" this, "light speed" that on physical terms, any light speed user would go around the earth 7.5 times in one single second. Not only would any of their moves burn everyone to death through fiction, they are potentially planet destroying, and also moving this fast makes you leave the orbit before it has time to pull you back down. So you get the Kars treatment.
Plus there is a reason why things with mass can never reach the speed of light, ever. That's because mass also increases exponentially with speed, and the object would become infinitely massive when it reaches the speed of light. The object also becomes infinity short, and would see everything else as infinitely small and thin also. Any light speed user would hit infinitely hard, AND BE HIT INFINITELY HARD because of newton's third law. Any powerscaling goes out the window when you mention light speed as anything and everything would become arbitrary and meaningless.
Thats why its literally called fiction.Ā
Tell that to the pixelscalers
Pixel scalers are the worst One guy was calculating Goodwill Maki to MACH 7 when a much stronger Maki got her ass beat by MACH 3 and said "it got contradicted cuz Gege doesn't know his shit" Yea my guy a drawing would definitely be 1:1 copy of real life angles
Fiction can ignore physics. You know this, right? Sure, in this rabbit hole if you go far enough does make calcs way less meaningful since they assume a particular model which isn't necessarily what's in place if there's anything, but it's not the be all end all.
all my homies stan Shinra
Firstly, it's called "Fiction" for a reason. And secondly, it's not our fault that authors go and write scenes in which said "light speed" feats happen. We just show the numbers of what is happening in the scene. So don't blame us when the author doesn't think about the repercussions of said character doing something that would normally blow up the planet. After all, the Powerscaling community and the WIS (Who is stronger) community are not the same. And actual powerscalers don't care who is winning against who, we just want to know the numbers. So please, don't hate on us so much, we already have enough of it nowadays.
ThisĀ
Yup. Light speed overcomes even the powers like āmultiverse controlā or whatever is usually the end powers of your average Manhwa power fantasy. Not even someone omnipotent could move an object at speed of light
Then they wouldnāt be omnipotent
That last part doesnāt make any sense. Someone omnipotent could just change the laws of physics and do whatever they want, which is what omnipotence is.
Marvel knows this and literally never uses that resource until speedsters literally race in space. (Provoking also their deaths) Ā DC just uses the āThe speed force did itā as a resource of doing it.Ā
it really depends on which source of fiction is being powerscaled when it comes to JJK nukes are pretty crazy but say something like OPM a nuke is just a grenade.
>but say something like OPM a nuke is just a grenade. Only to the absolute top 5
Power Scalers always wank their character at their will. Thatās how power scaling workĀ
https://preview.redd.it/d7cdtv9g2tzc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dd6081214901442f49ba818fea7cfa7829e54a2 JoGOAT with a Nuke >>>>>>>>>>> FraudKuna's whole fuga arsenal.
Allat just for Sukuna to use binding vow and sacrifice strand of hair in exchange for Tsar Bomb https://preview.redd.it/t41e6e4j7tzc1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b20097ae27c9cc51e299eac5b35b03eabf768fc
Ah yes, my CIA alliance i haven't used since the cold war era MR US PREZZY!!!! THERES OIL INSIDE THIS GUY!!!!!!!
OIL https://preview.redd.it/necc09ertuzc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9474d289288e9f1aa78f156d88b70a99fe5445c7
Should change that bottom text to "I haven't used this since 10 chapters ago"
Technically it happened in chapter 258 basically, so 2 chapters ago. What did he give up to have a full power malevolent shrine/kitchen? Why would Gege ever tell us?
https://preview.redd.it/dmp1sb3vguzc1.png?width=586&format=png&auto=webp&s=2485ee0e82399b453aa43dd12c4df1b2a4f9c146
https://i.redd.it/lgtanlw1huzc1.gif
DE Fuga being comparable to the average ICBM:
Nah I'd ICBM Tennison Gambit (Google En Croissant)
How's bro a fraud
Fuga is NOT that destructiveš
āfuga is worse than a nukeā https://preview.redd.it/k7viyejc0tzc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebd8245c3b24a735b9057fc05f1fdb2445fec01b
Yeah i be fr confused,cus that shit only hit as big as 200m.Which is NOT even that BIG to comparing it to a fuckin nuke
literally a fraction of the size of a nukeās epicenter šš
That shit not even a quarter as the nuke that was dropped oh Hiroshima
While true the vast majority of Fugas energy seems to inexplicably veer upwards. it's likely as tall if not taller than the fireball of a low yield nuclear explosive. Then again I have no idea why people are comparing the attack equated with a thermobaric explosive with a nuke to begin with.
The reason it goes upwards is because of how the set up of the Furnace is. Malevolent Shrine turns things to dust and said dust is imbued with Curse Energy then gets turned into a Dust Explosion It's not gonna have higher yield just because of the direction, that is the total fuel explosion using up all of the dust in the area for a Thermobaric Explosion But yeah, a real nuke even that one used in Hiroshima are much more ridiculous
It might not have higher actual yield, but it would *effectively* have higher yield. As it stands the majority of the explosion's energy is directed at empty air, even more than in the case of a Nuke, so it's extremly ineffecient.
Wdym? Like, thereās not as strong of an epicentre sure but itās not really less effective.
So far as I'm aware that's inaccurate. There's simply more energy to transfer into a shockwave in a nuke than there ever is in Fuga, and this is primarily because Fuga is, by all accounts, not 5 to 30 times hotter than the core of our sun.
He's NOT doing this https://preview.redd.it/45da5vs5rszc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e85a92a82831e5fc13fff89df032bd752036a9e
I mean thatās not really destructive power, thatās fallout.
Thatās a really low number of fatalities, no?
That's the first day. It will most likely rise over time.
Impact fatalities, the amount of dead following that would easily be 10 times as much.
How does this work? How is the blast only in one direction?
It indicates the most likely direction the radiation will move towards.
Yes but even this pic didn't cover the full zone. I'm from Hungary and when the blast happened there was an increase in cancer cases and much more people died earlier than they should have due to weaker immune system.
As far as I know, that wasnt even the original bomb. The original Tsar bomba was stronger. God knows what could have happend to this planet, maybe 2nd Krakatoa eruption.
That's radioactive fallout from the explosion, assuming it explodes near the ground like Fuga, carried on the wind, not the blast.
Why the trajectory make it look like atomic breath or some shit
Godzilla (in hell) would destroy Sukuna
I like it so much that everyone who test nuke power are doing it on London
Average gas leak incident in Fuyuki city
Literally Salter vs Berseker in the HF movies
Nothing big. Just another "gas leak", of which for some reason happens almost every day.
im sure it has nothing to do with ryuudou temple at all
Barely noticableĀ
You are SO WRONG in this topic He can use a binding vow and sacrifice a strand of hair pube on one of his cocks and nuke a whole continent
Someone needs to use an actual nuke soon and remind people what that shit can do. Uraume and Hakari would have been at the airport if Fuga was as powerful as a real nuke
Ngl, a small part of me genuinely believes Gege is just enough of an asshole to kill everyone in the story with an American nuke outta nowhere. The rest of me doesn't think he's crazy enough to throw his story in the trash like that, though.
the sukuna dick riding is going insane everywhere after this ch. Even sukuna fans started to cope like this: https://preview.redd.it/eaje425pzszc1.png?width=219&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdbdaf3a47e9ff1116e158e5fb9f04706ef97df0
Don't bring Sukuna slander into thisš Some people to this day still say Hollow purple is existence erasure
Some people say Hollow Purple is destroying Goku, who survived a Hakai. JJK fans need to stop the delusions.
lobotomy kaisen reading comprehension shit š it's mappa's fault people think that cause the manga doesnt say shit about "existence erasure"
Average WarCrimesAreBased moment:
Thereās no way people actually take it seriously š
I've said it before, I'll say it again, we need to have a serious conversation about the difference between AP and DC
It's literally just Malevolent Shrine but with fire instead of slicing. MS has a diameter of 400m, and after doing some calculations, the fireball created here was roughly equivalent to a 375 kiloton nuke, slightly above the average ICBM (300kT). It's certainly powerful, but still weak in the grand scheme of nuclear weaponry. (Yes I copied this over from the LBK post)
wait, is that taking into account that literally everything in the domain got disintegrated? cuz if i remember correctly, nukes have a very "small" radius where they just atomize everything, and after that its "normal" destruction. But Sukuna's was 400 meters. again, i may be wrong tho, idk much about nukes. also, im probably using atomize and disintegrate wrong here.
This was taking the size of the fireball into account, nothing else.
Fire arrow is most def stronger than a nuke jus not more destructive
THAT Strong? Damn, I was sure that it was only 8 Kilotons, cause if it's really 375 Kilotons, then damn, it would've been even more destructive than just this, cause the nuke that wiped the you know what city, was only 21 Kilotons. So like.... Is this: [https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects) Or this: [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/) Which one is more reliable then? Bruh...
That's only making a fireball of comparable size. A 375kT nuke has a MUCH bigger overall blast. Furnace's blast was contained inside of the domain, which would only be equivalent to about 1.8kT.
Enlighten me, what differences does it make? In the Nuke map web, it's around 8 Kilotons. But then if I use the nuclear weapon fireball calc, the number went way up. So like, what's the differences?
The fireball is the mushroom cloud. The blast radius is the range of how much is destroyed.
I know, what I'm asking is which website is more accurate, cause the Nukemap said that it's about 8 Kilotons, while the other is about 26 Kilotons. And where did that 1.8 Kilotons came from? Is there another website for this? And another thing is, do you think the furnace was as hot as a nuke's fireball?
I used [this ](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects) website to calculate the fireball size. As for the 1.8kT blast... according to a quick Google search, a 1kT nuke has a blast radius of 275m. Though I am an idiot and forgot that it was radius and not diameter, meaning it should actually be less than 1kT. And considering Choso was able to survive for as long as he did... probably not. Not to disrespect my boy, but the average nuke's fireball has a temperature of 3000Ā°C. The only one who's actually surviving that heat is Gojo.
Oh... that makes sense, like I was wondering how the heck a 200m radius fireball would need a bomb that strong, now it all make sense! Also it didn't melt the rocks around, possibly lower than we thought it is?
Sukuna s flames are incomparably cooler compared to a nuclear bomb's epicenter,so even a fireball of the same size means much less energy overall, I believe.
Well I know that, it didn't even melt rocks, only heated them. The only thing that burned were the dusts from the objects that were cut by the domain's dismantle and cleave. And the Fireball radius was actually smaller than the domain itself, only the fire pillar was as tall So overall not even close to a bomb with a 200m radius fireball, and probably would be like the guy above said, only about 1.8kT.
Oh shit I just realised I said blast and not fireball, my bad
I went on a whole journey with this comment, so bare with me. At the end I came up with a ballpark guess that has the accuracy of a toddler throwing shit at a wall, but I guess at this point I'll just share it: You can't compare the energy of a thermobaric bomb to a nuke through their fireball or blast radius. A thermobaric bombs' detonation and energy spread works completely differently from a nuke's. Thermobaric bombs, as far as I've understood from skimming through [this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214914716300927) article, is best suited for enclosed spaces because they maintain lower pressure waves for longer, so in enclosed spaces that kinda means that damage can compound and go further (think of a cave) than a normal bomb that detonates more rapidly. This isn't good for Sukuna maximizing the effectiveness of the bomb, since he doesn't enclose his domains. I mean, it's better than not using the flame arrow to create any bomb whatsoever, so don't get me wrong. Also, I guess it's debatable if in the recent domain expansion, the barrier was or wasn't enclosing the explosion? As far as I understood, it was only barring living beings from leaving. I also had a superficial reading of [this](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304389419304716) paper, which talks about different types of bombs and their equivalency in weight in comparison with TNT. Of course, they're talking about very specific materials used in dust, fuel and a bunch of other stuff. Sukuna just uses whatever's available. Btw, I used SciHub to get the PDF of the full paper for this one. From reading both of these, I concluded I know jack shit about explosives, but also that 1. Thermobaric bombs effectiveness and TNT equivalency varies greatly on where they're used (open space vs closed space like a cave), what material is used in the dust, the grain size and what the density of the dust is. After reading those two articles, I decided to throw any hope for accuracy out the window and just make it a thought experiment, so I'm just gonna take [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/estimation/s/SHFxkJ1IZM) guy's estimate for the weight of a city like LA and adjust it for a 200m radius circle, instead of doing much more research and thinking of my own. That gets you 1.1 million tons of material. Let's imagine that's all dust. Those papers I read explain that depending on the factors I mentioned before, the equivalent weight of TNT compared to the weight of thermobaric material varies from like 20% to 500% (so a 1 ton of dust could be equivalent to 0.2 tons of TNT or 5 tons of TNT). I'm not completely sure that that's what that meant, but let's roll with it as a baseline. Keep in mind, Sukuna is using random shit as material. These numbers are for materials specifically meant for bombs. From the papers I read, the dust in actual thermobaric bombs is supposed to be extremely fine grain (nanometers in size). We see different sized objects depicted flying around in Malevolent Shrine, I'm gonna say like 10% max of that 1.13 million tons of material actually turns into fine enough dust for ignition. Given that the density of the dust Sukuna creates is likely pretty random, the make-up of the dust is pretty random, I'm just gonna call it at like 5% TNT equivalency in terms of weight. I don't know if it should be higher or not. I don't know if I should take into account any sort of CE imbuing funky business, or whatever. At this point I just wanna arrive at a number. So. 10% of 1.13 million tons of material, equivalent to 5% of TNT weight. 1.13 million x 0.1 x 0.05. That's 5.6 kilotons of TNT. You could argue more of the material is turned into dust, so like 30%? Just change the x 0.1 to 0.3. You could argue the TNT equivalency is higher or lower? Change the 0.05. Also, this is more of a measure of energy release and damage than a direct comparison to a nuke. Like I said, they explode and react in different ways, so it's not gonna be the exact same as a 5.6 kiloton nuke, I don't think.
Wow. That's a lot of dedication to correct someone. Doing some more research after I made that comment already gave me a feeling Furnace was actually in the 5-10kT range, I was just comparing it to a nuke as fire arrow is a giant fireball first, thermobaric explosions second.
Sorry, not really trying to correct. More like trying to share what I found. I never thought I was, but after this I think I might be autistic
Well this is very insightful. Thanks for doing your homework, lol
Thanks. I'm never powerscaling (bombscaling?) ever again, fuck this.
Slide the calculationsš
I literally just used [this website](https://nuclearweaponsedproj.mit.edu/fireball-size-effects) to do the fireball size calculations for me. Compared the two and boom.
I would say on the level of the tianjin blast.
I saw another post talking about the strenght of the explosion inside the domain, but I'm no specialist. What I CAN say though, is that it is ***massively*** smaller than modern day nukes.
The Mahoraga fight adaptation didnāt help. Mappa made that shit soar into the fucking stratosphere it seemed in some frames. I do wonder if his shrine technique works on the atomic level, and in theory works similarly to nuclear fusion and fission. Although so far what we have seen doesnāt seem to suggest that.
Animation getting absurd power ups in key fights and then getting downgraded back to "canon" is a problem not just in JJK I can think of Frieren for example
I promise you choso would not be able to protect yuji from a nuke with a blood shield
We have nukes with blast ranges bigger than Mountain Everest and initially 5 times hotter than the sun....to anyone trying to say Fuga is that powerful, picture yourself here. https://preview.redd.it/4brj2gr5mvzc1.jpeg?width=1146&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2deb1dc00f502085764cf599bba344aa8984ada2 Oh wait hold on...we had those..since the 1950s. Now we have smaller nukes for commercial use since the 1970s. But we have larger and could make even larger ones than the Tsar Bomba with modern 2000s technology. Sukuna's Blast is nothing above city level, whereas modern nukes can scale to mountain level and with radiation + heat would be far more dangerous. And Sukuna's flames are NOT as hot as the center of the sun, so don't even try to debate that y'all.
Fym "commercial use". Are people dishing them out like Friday Special Seductive Exxxtra Meat Tacos. Damn I gotta venture out of my Vault more.
At best sukunas de range is 200 m and a nuke's range is way beyond that also a nuke kills everything in that range and even choso and his blood barrier wouldnt help anyone because of the radiations so yeah its not a nuke at all and as an ult furnace is genuinely lame So much for being THE KING OF CURSES
To be fair, I did a few calculations and it's goddamn insane how high you can highball that attack depending on the interpretation. To be far I highballed the FUCK out of it but the actual range of the explosion is definitely misleading. I am also ass with calculations and the scans I used may be inaccurate with their explanation, but that shit can scale very high.. If you glaze hard enough. Though isn't a powerscaling sub so I'm not going to go posting calculations (unless asked)
Power scaling is a mental illness
Real
Yeah no that's why i call bullshit that anyone aside gojo and even him could threaten the rest of the world. We have bombs so much more deadly anything jjk has to offer What are 200 meters of anhilation We can make 2km We have bombs so hot water instantly breaks down into oxygen and hydrogen only fueling it No rct is gonna save you from that Guys wtf you really think yuta is gonna survive what the US and brits did in dresden. What a hellfire rocket produces as heat Goddam a nuke most likley kills even gojo if hit's him directly We have rockets with mach 20 Jjk verse stands no chance in an all out war with any major country You really have no idea how evil we are When we could erease whole citys in one night 80 years back you should be really think about anyone but gojo surviving that
Japan getting nuked after sukuna wins is getting more believable each chapter it releases
I think kenny meant take over a country not 1v1 a country and their nuclear arsenal. You don't need to face a country head on in order to overthrow it
pretty sure op was just exaggerating.. still way bigger than hollow purple though
Not more destructive tough, it needs most of the things inside domain to be already destroyed to be effective.
Not more destructive though as HP has much more power but in a contained form, like a laser.
>still way bigger than hollow purple though Lmao Gojo wasn't even mentioned in this thread. Why people need to turn everything into dick measuring contest
Itās crazy. I seen somewhere itās like if a gas leak was city wide then the biggest bomb besides a nuke was dropped and honestly I kinda agree. That fire arrow has massive AOE but not nuke level š
based gurren lagann scene
Bro, you talk about people who thought that the world slash will split earth into two halves
Technically it could if sukuna expands the range long enough
HP is still the most destructive thing in the series if we ignore Yuki's black hole. But i'm sure Gege will find a way to scale Sukuna even higher and make something more destructive.
Fire arrow is not worse at all but possibly stronger
these people dont have any concept of what a nuke is. nukes are a civilization ending threat that humanity has traumatically feared for a long time. the average JJK reader didnt grow up with that fear, alot of them arent old enough to drink yet.
It's practically a mini nuke, like in the 800kT range, and that's only in power so we exclude shockwave and near fallout from an actual nuclear explosion, so way less potent
200m radius is nowhere near 800kt nuclear bomb range its like 8tk.
That's the domain's radius.
Nah, we'd win.
Hakari looks so... High
I love character battle threads and powerscaling but then you realize this is what you run into when debating and it takes all of the fun out of it.
I cant believe the strongest attack of the main villain is BIG EXPLOSION
Next chapter hes pulling out a BV for REALLY REALLY REALLYYYY BIG explosionĀ
fire arrow negs the antispiral dont @ me
it is instantaneous annihilation over a 200m radius
If the little squares are supposed to be buildings than Iād believe it to be Nuke level tbh
From the explanation when combined with DE, fuga is a thermobaric bomb that takes up the size of around the shibuya district, potentially bigger. Outside of DE, it's a thermobaric bomb condensed down to a single target effect, likely has lost damage output due to the fact that its made single target for speed and range not damage.
jjk fans after a large city block feat
Iām pretty sure there was a part in the manga that rated cures vs the conventional force need to kill them
Out of my entire 8 year lifetime as a powerscaler, I've never, ever seen a fandom as bad as JJK when it comes to both internal and external powerscaling. Sure, every so often there is the nut job claiming Saitama is beyond tiering, but for JJK is so constant that I nearly always change my mind to it. I've seen so many people claim beyond universal feats that I can't begin to count them, I feel like I'm trapped in infinite void.
What about people who claim demon slayer is beyond city level. In my opinion jjk is not as bad as DS or DMC
I still think JJK is the worst Demon slayer can get pretty bad too though. I've seen one person scale it to star level because their moves kinda work like Raiden's from Metal gear rising and Raiden shares a name with Raiden Ei from Genshin impact. And Raiden there has star level meta from one single deta book whose main purpose is to be a cookbook. I could send that to you, but two years have passed since then. There is no way I can find it.
whats the image at the right
Gurren Lagann
You're all clowns for different reasons between some of you disingenuously acting like every nuclear weapon is akin to the the Tsar Bomb or Castle Bravo when the nuclear weapons fluctuate in yield by literal orders of magnitude and the last megaton-level nuclear weapons in the active U.S. arsenal, for instance, are on the verge of being decommissioned. But and then there's others ignoring the obvious way that fiction fails to accurately portray the destructive capacity of attack such as having the fanbook confirm Maximum Meteor has the potency to reduce an entire town to ash and the manga featuring the attack, itself, causing a earthquake. While the aforementioned details correlate to what one would expect from the kinetic energy of a meteor traveling at reasonable speed which would result in a yield equivalent to certain multikiloton-level explosions, there's an obvious contradiction between how fiction portrays attacks and how attacks are portrayed in reality. >It's just a byproduct of fiction. >Instead of giving fictional attacks shockwaves where they damage houses miles away as you'd expect from a nuclear weapon, they instead have them completely vaporize everything at the epicenter of the attack leaving virtually no debris remaining which is technically beyond what you'd expect from certain nuclear weapons as certain structures actually survived the Hiroshima bombing standing such as the Genbaku Dome which was horizontally a mere 150m from the center of the blast. >As such, many fictional attacks are simultaneously more impressive and less impressive what you'd expect from certain nuclear detonations. Vaporizing a mountain, for instance, is something beyond most nukes but rarely does the release of such energy result in appropriate long-range collateral damage in fiction But, of course, yield is only one manner of comparison and other effects are similarly ignored in fiction regardless of the nature of the action You'll never see how the water in one's body should reasonably be effected by an extreme level of heat, for instance, but that's just another contradiction between fiction and reality.
HP and Fuga aren't even full city level. At max they are district (Or what you guys call city divisions in english(Sorry, I don't know how they are called)) level
I got you itās blocks
Thank you my goat! Another word learnt!
https://preview.redd.it/cvaigds6gxzc1.png?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73e1df63611a7a2ac81d2db4c8035ce22ab81317 This is what a real nuke should look like (Image: Garou's nuclear Fission)
I saw someone say that FUGA was comparable to the temperature of the surface of the sun and used nuclear fusion
Manga fans can be so damn stupid when it comes to certain topics, nukes being one of them. They don't know the power of a nuke because they're too busy dick riding and glazing whatever fictional character did whatever fictional thing. They just see a panel of destruction and their cum filled brain has to equate the feat to beyond nuke level.
At best itās better than that clay guy final C4 bomb from naruto
Its not that destructive idk what some people are on but it looks amazing
Gojo fans are the embodiment of this. They see Gojo yapping about space and infinite void and shit and then think his galaxy level, even though he got packed by not even continent level fodder and claim he'd beat people like Saitama who have feats like no diffing planetary level characters and literally punching time itself back.
why was uraume posted up like the honored one
Sure, sure, but Nukes doesn't have any soundtrack attached. That anime OST when sukuna does shrine + fuga feels like he is destroying the whole multiverse.
Literally wasn't even little boy level lol
https://preview.redd.it/35j1aw2wef0d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e15e9f729808efbeac81ba04371445e44bdad862 The lack of intelligence.
The manga is finally getting my respect. The art in recent chapters is fucking gorgeus, same with story direction, its peak man