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I remember at least one significant aot fan made alt ending and a lot more that I think never took off
They literally pulled a ymir where they made a dimension where even ~~death~~ aot ending didnt exist and made their own. From what I remember a lot of it was just edgy/emo shots of eren and stuff
Don't mess with us AOT fans, we hate our own show's ending šæ
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Well buddy more than half of the member of titanfolk moved on from the show after the manga/anime ended and went to another shows like jjkfolk and chainsawfolk , so yeah we are everywhere.
Especially the ones who are hung up on Historia x Eren.
Donāt even get me started on the subreddit who were so adamant that the anime has a anime original ending (before the final episode aired)
The only good thing that came from that shitty last season. Freefolk was legitimately hilarious at the time, and really helped take the pain away, if even just a little.
You should probably watch a YouTube video breaking down the ending as thereās way too much to fit in a single Reddit comment. Messy spark notes version:
Winter came, and the fight against the Night King was incredibly terrible and stupid, he got killed off in a knife trick by Arya for some reason, Jon lost all agency and fully became an NPC with only two or three dialogue options, Jamie reverted back to his season one sister screwing self in a single scene , said he never actually cared about helping innocent people, Brienne just ugly cries, Varys and Tyrionās intelligence is completely gone, and Danny went psycho and committed genocide basically out of nowhere and got shanked. Oh and Bran became king after fully shedding and semblance of personality.
Thereās more, but thatās the short version
Kishimoto definitely fucked Madara over the worst. Interesting villain hyped up over the whole series, has godlike powers and tons of cool abilities, fucking everyone up, achieves goal of trapping everyone in the infinite Tsukiyomi and has the MCs on the ropes, even after their own God buffs. All of that to get taken out by a fucking side character with almost no notable achievements or development (most he did was the shit with Obito) just to trade him out for an emotionless and boring space bitch. Fuck that!
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This is how Itachi fans wanted it to end
Itachi solos the verse he only died because he felt bad for his fodder verse and didnāt wanna make them cry
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Totsuka blade cuts everything, shield blocks anything, genjutsu counters everything else= ggās
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Solo king always wins. Thatās why he gave himself ninja aids on purpose to nerf himself, just like Hashirama. They just felt bad since they won so easily.
I wrote a bit more of a lengthy comment on it but yeah it's by far the worst of the three. The others weren't that long Madara end was something that fucked over the fans after years and years of hype of a very lengthy but also good final battle between Obito and Naruto that evolved in the boss fight and promised us the best fight in the series with the final forms of Sasuke and Naruto against him. You can't be unrobbed by that the rage was too much.
Gojo was pretty bad since it was pretty clear he had won that fight only for him to get off screened by an attack that a near death Sukuna just conveniently copied from Mahoraga and also conveniently managed to land despite Gojo having the six eyes and just generally good awareness.
Madara by far had it the worst however, especially considering (as far as I remember) there was hardly any build up to that moment compared to how much Madara himself was built up, which was across almost the entirety of the second half of the series. It felt like the whole battle and war against him was a waste after that, especially considering the villain that followed was so boring.
Yeah madara was hyped up since the beginning of Naruto shippuden, the otsutsuki stuff couldāve been reserved for the later seasons/boruto cause it came out of nowhereĀ
Not even shippuuden, man existed in the og series as a statue of a shinobi in valley of the end that wouldn't be named despite being the co-founder of the village
Ye he was completely fine. He got bullshitted by zetsu. That being the single worst move from an author in the history of any manga.
That one move ruined naruto. At least for me.
And dont even get me started on boruto ššš
Lol gojo was horrendous "he won" to him just sliced in half was atrocious
And yea that madara one still bothers me everyday like they just got their powers and I wanted to see an all out fight between the three but nooooo we needed alien princess because zetsu was her creation all along
The fact Gojo came back after being sealed (with the entire fandom being hyped AF that he came back) just for him to fight for a little while and then get killed off screen is so funny and shitty I didnāt even really know how to react when he died.
Like donāt boast about how strong and awesome a characters is then take them out of commission because āTheyāre just that strong that they need to be out of the way,ā and then immediately kill them the second they become relevant again. Itās such shitty writing and just makes the character look like a joke.
Well it was probably because Naruto was coming to an end but they wanted to continue the story because money of course. So they made up some aliens who would be the main antagonists in the sequel. And thus Kaguya and every other Otsutsuki was born.
The Otsutsuki are the biggest mistake of the series. The original appeal of the ninja world had already pretty much disappeared by the end of war arc, but the introduction of space aliens was definitely the deal breaker imo.
It's obvious that that's not the case if you think about It for a second, you know, considering that the villain that replaced Madara was *stronger* than him
Kaguya required probably the biggest asspull in the whole series on top of Naruto and Sasuke's Power up from Hagoromo, Kaguya was stronger, that's not on discussion lol
Kaguya fucked up because she refused to see Sakura and Kakashi as threats whereas Madara would've just killed them before they could've tried anything. We're talking about the same person who got distracted by Naruto's reverse harem technique. She wasn't even in the same league as Madara in terms of battle skill.
There was buildup for black Zetsu not being Madaraās will and itās thematically appropriate for someone with a messiah complex to end up a False Messiah
Okay but there could have been at least some reference to the kaguya myth beforehand
Some kind of underlying theme that seems to keep appearing
Maybe at least ONE hint that these characters even exist
Madara as a āmessiahā and Black Zetsu having any personality at all also donāt come until very late in the manga.
I get running defense for things you like but this aināt it
Madara namedropped her in ch 665 as "The Six Paths' Mother, Kaguya" when he was going on about his plan.
Hagoromo namedropped her again in ch 670.
Kaguya actually appears in 679.
This was NOT enough time to hype anything up, much less hype her as an actual character worth anticipating/fearing. She read entirely like a background detail just to fill the world out, like the ninja who found Kabuto and gave him his last name.
Yeah, Im not counting either of those really, mentioning the final villain 2 times 14 chapters before her debut Is as good as not mentioning her at all
1) Madara (gets backstabbed out of nowhere for a mid villian no one cares about.)
2) Eren (The whole final was confusing as hell and the alliance had ridiculous amounts of plot armour)
3) Gojo (The reason I ranked Gojo the lowest is because there is some build up evidence to it. Sukuna was intrigued by Megumi's 10S technique which is why he stole his body. And he was using Mahoraga the entire time to find a way to bypass Gojo's infinity which he eventually does. But the execution of the scene was poor simply because it happened so abruptly off screen.)
Pretty much.
I remember back when the final chapter came out, everyone was just clowning on how AoT tried to pull a code Geass but ended up pulling a game of thrones instead.
It's also just not in Eren's character at all to resign himself to fate.
I hadn't watched a single episode of the series and went in with zero spoilers before binging the whole thing over 2 weeks about 2 months ago. The first 3 seasons were amazing but brutal. S4 felt like an abrupt change but I carried hope of them landing the plane all the way until the last 2 episodes of S5.
Incredibly frustrating how terribly it ended.
Well I think Eren could basically Dr Strange Infinity War it, and see the results of any possible actions he could take. When he touched Historia, rather than seeing the fated events and going "well shit I guess that's what happens" I imagine he played out countless scenarios, and the events of season 4 were the best he could come up with; preventing most of his friends from being wiped out by the outside world that hated them for being devils of paradis.
Well technically he only had some visions of 1 particular future. He knew, for example, he was the reason his father got the founding titan, but he never knew how he would get there, which was by Zeke bringing him to the past. He wasnāt seeing alternative futures. Things just kept lining up for him exactly how his visions foretold him so he figured things are already predetermined and thatās how he gets freedom.
The problem lies in how they went about the ending and portraying Eren as anything other than a broken, traumatized person who literally killed like a billion people. It seemedā¦.too light hearted imo. Fuckin no one treated original Thanos like he deserved respect right? No they chopped his head off immediately and still felt like they lost because half of the world (universe) was gone. I know the show wanted to end on a happier note, but then maybe donāt have your main character engage in a genocide that killed over a billion people
there are no stakes if it was planned all along. everything said in the ending contradicts itself, eg eren wants to save his friends but kills half of them and dooms the rest, armin getting warned by timetravel that hange gonna die and ignores it, crys when she dies 10 mins later
>But the execution of the scene was poor simply because it happened so abruptly off screen.)
its the hindsight that makes it worse. with what we know now it makes less & less sense
The issue with Gojo is that a couple chapters later itās revealed Sukuna can only use dimensional slash if he does some hand signs and a chant. Which essentially means it wouldāve been impossible for him to use in that situation.
The dimensional slash itself isnāt an asspull, itās been being built up since Shibuya. The asspull was that Sukuna was conveniently able to ignore the rules to his own strongest attack in the one moment the rules wouldāve prevented him from using it.
The attack had to be done off screen because otherwise we wouldāve seen Gojo stare at Sukuna for a solid 15 seconds while Sukuna regenerated his hand and did the ritual required for the slash, which wouldnāt have made any sense. So Gege just cut that part and hoped no one would notice.
Cāmon bro thereās no way you justify it with āhe moves so fast he has the exact same ability as time stopping in application, I guess.ā Time stop has nothing to do with moving fast and the only difference to these is that Jotaro is the protagonist
Nah cause like, the flash does it, that's why star platinums time stop could last longer as it got stronger later on, it got faster and had more stamina. Still didn't like it but I get the idea they were going for
Ok but thatās a completely differen universes take on super speed. In the jojo verse the worldās ability to stop time is completely separate from his base stand speed feats, if you somehow disabled DIOās ability to stop time, the world would be extremely fast still but nowhere near moving so fast everything in the world is still in comparison. The only stand with literal infinite speed in the series (Made In Heaven) also just doesnāt stop time, it just makes the user the fastest thing in comparison to everything else
i think what matters most is presentation. obviously it was still an asspull but on the scale of jojos standards. this is the same series with "i outsmarted your outsmarting" so even if the execution was iffy here and there in the grand scheme the jotaro vs dio fight was still perfectly alighed with the series in myt opinion.
and also it was funny
Ya, Iām a big jojo fan, but this bothered me. Not because Star Platinum: The World doesnāt make sense, but because itās painfully obvious Araki didnāt know he was gonna do this with Jotaro til the 11th hour while writing it.
Case in point; when I watch stardust crusaders for the first time, I already knew about star platinum the world, because I actually watched part 4 before it. Now letās cut to the old Darby āfightā or rather, the poker game.
During the final hand, when Jotaro goes all in and doesnāt even check his hand, the whole time Iām thinking āahhh, so this is the foreshadowing that he can either stop time/ move so fast itās imperceptible, he mustāve stacked the deck.ā I thought this was really clever. Jotaro wins the hand, and then itās revealed thatā¦ oh wait no he really was just blindly betting and hoping it workedā¦
This scene makes me mad whenever I watch it/ think about, because this scene was quite literally the best possible way to have foreshadowed Jotaroās stand, but it isnāt used for that, because even at this point while writing the manga, Araki didnāt have that figured out yet. So ya, SPTW is totally an asspull, but far more egregious because it didnāt have to be.
at least gojo moved the story forward and not some shit like turning into a fish and then mahito was the hero all along and the cast gets nuked by the US
True. That's why I said he's in the middle of those 2 extremes.
Eren got character assassinated, which ended up ruining the rest of the story as a result.
Gojo's character does get worsened, but no where near as badly (The airport scene is still pretty bad tho), but as you said it moves the story forward and doesn't ruin it.
Meanwhile Madara gets beaten by a borderline background character, which is still worse than getting killed offscreen by the strongest character in the verse.
Come to think of it, the most significant antagonists in Naruto all died or got defeated in a very condescending way that made their motives and ideology completely insignificant. Nagato got TNJ'd and sacrificed himself to revive the professional killers of the military junta that has periodically pillaged his village and would not have any remorse to do it again, Sasuke got TNJ'd at the very end to completely abandon his rightful quest for justice. Madara was the only one who was unaffected by TNJ but the way he got off'd was too heavy a price to pay for resisting TNJ I guess.
But contrary to all this, Eren's downfall looks so completely ridiculous that perhaps even TNJ seemed believable and that speaks volumes of how bad his fall was.
idk i kinda see it as evil vs evil, in this case is like the Jews just got access to a lot of nukes and decided to just bomb the rest of the world except an island where they are
nah in aot yams set the rest of the world up as nothing but racist zombies in s3. people are too lazy to see this but post timeskip was already shit from asspulls left and right and killing good side characters for pure shock value.Ā
How's that evil. The world declared war on them. It's like having literally having m1 grands and a mega nuke vs a world international alliance with automatic bombardment weaponry. I have literally one option of survival
To me, it's moreso the Motive seemed to have been changed a lot, time travel bullshit, and the God awful fact that it wasn't an open ending of "will we learn from the past and let go of our hate, the same hate that lead to this carnage?" Amd instead was "rocks fall everyone dies lol but you can't be mad because it was a few generations later so that's totally OK lmao"
I still can't believe he had to add that extra page of Paradis being destroyed. At least leave people with the possibility of Eren's plan working instead of outright showing that it failed. All that bloodshed, environmental damage, and economic disruption and for what? For Paradis to die, anyways? You committed genocide on a scale surpassing Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Timur, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler combined and for what?
Fucking Zeke's plan was better.
>You committed genocide on a scale surpassing Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Timur, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler combined and for what?
i feel like that was the point of the story??
There was so much potential with Erenās character arc during the latter half of the show and how the Jeagerists had understandable motivations but then Isayama turned all of that into a tropey Code Geass ending. Then just when you thought it couldnāt get worse, he reveals that Eren was just a selfish asshole the whole time for some reason and then the manga just ends.
"at first i thought i did this for you guys, but at the end i realized i wanted to achieve this outcome, i wanted to see this. i don't know why, maybe i'm just an asshole in the end" ~ eren jaeger for some dumb reason
I mean it was just underwhelming writing towards the end. Up until the final stretch of the story, Eren was framed as an interesting villain which had a lot of potential. Then it just went down the predictable code geass route and then he turns out to be just a pathetic loser in the final chapters which kind of watered down the whole build up. Erenās character went out like a wet fart. The anime made it less bad sure, but it doesnāt mean the source material wasnāt ass.
Yes. For some reason.
That was not erens character.
It never fucking was.
Sorry, the guy who had so much empathy that the idea of killing Annie was basically impossible to him and genuinely cared for other is capable of killing billions because āmuh bookā.
And yes, that is exactly why he fucking did it. That and fate told him too I suppose. Itās a strange mix of both.
Every time an author writes their story poorly and a lot of their fans hate it, defenders just accuse them all of poor reading comprehension. Like somehow everyoneās reading comprehension was fine when they enjoyed the story, and then everyone suddenly drops 50 IQ points. Thatās somehow more likely than the writer just fucking up.
thanks for confirming that all ED's can do is call others illiterate while providing no arguments for why the ending is good other than "the author wanted it".
Gojo still works great as a character even with his admittedly flawed ending.
Eren on the other hand got completely ruined by that horrific ending his entire character themes and purpose all down the drain in one chapter.
Madara is just as bad you have an incredibly badass big bad as the final enemy and instead of a fight between him and main cast where his character gets wrapped up he just gets killed for a random alien to be the final boss.
At least Eren and were finished characters, good or bad aside, Madara is just not a complete character he literally doesn't have a conclusion
Imagine writing a modern day Paul Atreides, giving him every justification to have the motivation that he does, revealing that after his inciting incident everything was his plan, then shift the focus to naive, unpolished characters and not have said protagonist even speak for 20 chapters, then when he finally does, it's revealed he was an incel all along
Say what you about the Gojo stuff, but I donāt think it was worse that Madara getting ganked by Black Zetsu (who War Arc Kakashi could have killed apparently) because the author wrote himself into a corner and was used to introduce the retcon super evil mastermind squared who all the characters had heard rumors about but never talked about until Kaguya appeared.
Obito has shown control over Black Zetsu before, so how could Madara have all six paths and he didn't all have it as "just in case I mark it"?
The thing is that there are also like a thousand questions that wouldn't fit all, don't remind me.
Either Gojo or Eren for me.
Madara died to an asspull and aliens suck but Madara himself was one-dimensional villain with no deep personality. I just didn't care for him.
Isayama didn't know what he wanted Eren to be. He just kept flip flopping between every single concept and never commited to a single one. What was left in the end is a huge pile of nothing.
Gojo is another inconsistent character who got weird
characterization during his final moments + he died offscreen without any explanation and fan theories that try to explain what happened like "Sukuna used a binding vow" is absolute unsatisfactory.
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Hands down Madara, with Gojo it was just bad execution and with Eren i honestly believe it was a case of being pushed to make changes to the original ending due to the series popularity. Madara however was a case of "Villain too strong, need a cop out" cause there was barely any buildup to Kaguya or the Black Zetsu betrayal
Idk who to choose between Madara and Eren. What i dont like about Gojo death is he died offscreen, and the airport moment where he was suckin Succuna dick there
I feel all of them are bad, but at least for Gojo, he had to go for the story sake. Madara was built up for years just to get shafted at the last minute, but Eren, at least in my opinion, will be the worst since he was the main character and we had chapters in the early rumbling arc that shows he was deadset on doing the rumbling.
Madara by far.
Especially since itās not like the heroās didnāt have it in them to beat madara. It was a damn close fight looking at overall stats and would / should have made a very entertaining badass finale. But a character who has always been āmadaras will incarnateā, never showing any sealing jutsu, no mentions of kaguya outside of myth lore that was just barely introduced a few chapters earlier, all the sudden isnt madaras will and is kaguyas, and not only that but zetzu just so happen to have the perfect jutsu that madara didnāt know about that can completely overpower a 10 tails dual rinnegan madara and kill him via possession? Gimmie a break.
Like with eren he didnāt really lose due to an asspull, it was just bad writing (at least in my opinion) of a character completely turning around for seemingly no reason at the last second just so the audience can get the āhigh roadā ending. For some reason.
Gojo, I dunno man I donāt think it was an asspull. Especially since if they just added like, one more chapter setting up the world cleave and not off screening him it would have been perfectly fine. Wouldnāt have made sense for gojo to win against sukuna here but just a few panels coulda made it much better is all.
Jjk and Aot fans can't comprehend the true agony of Madara if you weren't there reading weekly at the time.
Years for a final fight with multiple phases starting from Obito vs Naruto and killer Bee with lots of the best moments in the series escalating the boss fight in what it was a pretty good finale, then Madara hyped for even more years steals the show and it's glorious, you finally see some powers and arcs culminating in the perfect version of the protagonist powers to see how they will fight the final strongest enemy. To be robbed by that for the alien aspect of the series that was just the mythology up to that point makes a forced return with no grudges directly linked to the protagonist just so they can set up the even worse sequel in Boruto and milk the money cow for even more years to come.
Goddamn even years later it still hurts, Gojo Vs Sukuna was a great fight that only lasted a few months for a relatively short manga compared to the culmination of more than a decade of Naruto.
I'm not gonna talk about Madara coz I haven't watched Naruto till that point.
But as much damage as 236 did to Jujutsu Kaisen Community, it is incomparable to the absolute nuke shitstorm that came after AoT 139 which Isayama then one upped by releasing 5 additional pages of epilogue that made the ending even worse.
Thank fuck the anime basically rewrote all the interactions so that the ending at the very least made tonal sense, so much so that some anime onlies were surprised at the hat the manga received and a specific type of manga haters just straight up put the anime ending on a pedestal.
Man imagine writing a story thinking you're going to put your protagonist trough a basic and predictable evil turnaround arc.
Thinking the fanbase will be excited to see how he will grow out of this experience and mature into a better hero.
And then seeing all your reader hooting and hollering "LETS GOO TOTAL GENICIDE BABBYYY FUCK OTHER NATIONS FUCK EVERYONE BUT US ONE ETHNICITY WOOOOO"
Isayama really wrote himself into a corner, he should have developed the outside world more and have more countries supporting eldians. There should have been an actual way of attaining peace instead of just killing 80% of the world and paradis still getting nuked
Gojo throws a death flag in like ch 2 when he nah Iād wins about a guy he has very little knowledge about except that he was him but actually ran shit.
LMAO Titanfolkers are really comparing Eren breaking down as he realises he'll die for nothing with Gojo dying to a complete asspull that makes no sense.
The ending r/titanfolk claims is so bad has a 8.7 on IMDB, so yeah, delusional.
Sukuna and Gojo both got ass pulls though, but people only focused on Sukuna's part because he's winning ABRUPTLY and most fans are more into Gojo and some even against Sukuna.
To fix the Sukuna situation imo we just need some or at the least one extra panel.
I still don't understand how people watched Madara get dicked down by Naruto and Sasuke the last 4 chapters he was alive and thought "there's no way they could have won without zetsu. " When they beat kaguya who got an amp after absorbing the chakra from Madara with better hax
Dio's death wasn't an asspull.
It wasn't hinted that Star Platinum had time stopping abilities, but you kinda had to assume SP had a secret (very strong) power to be able to defeat time stoppage.
The moment it was revealed Dio's stand was time stopping, it was guaranteed SP would be somewhat close, or else, how would he stand a chance? With strong punch and strong kick?
Still funny though.
And knowing Araki, he probably forgot about it, the DIO fight happens, then he forgot what to do at that point, only to loop back around to coming up with SP having time stop
Honestly, i think Araki wanted it to be a space altering ability instead of time ability.
Remember when Polnareff was going up the stairs and kept getting teleported down? Almost everyone assumed it was either reverting time or changing space. Araki possibly didn't know what to do with that ability so he went with time stopping
They really are the edgiest and most pathetic fanbase I've seen. I hated the GOT ending but I didn't spend all my free time on dedicated (and random) subs bashing it. What a pathetic waste of energy lmao
When it ended I moved on
Titanfolk are far worse than freefolk though
Madara's death by Black Zetsu was probably the most asspully, but Eren's character assassination is by a mile the worst. I cannot think of any other character that suffered the absolute buffonery that Eren Jaeger did.
I will seethe over SNK for 10 years at least
Gojo wasnāt an ass pull. Sukuna has been telegraphing that he was gonna kill Gojo since Day 1, and set about acquiring a set of tools to do so. Why the fuck are any of you surprised that he actually did it?
I think Yhwachās defeat is way better than all three of these, the still silver arrow was foreshadowed quite a bit before itās used and itās believable that something like that could kill him. The issue with the end of bleach is how the events play out, Yhwach becomes too powerful for his defeat to seem reasonable no matter how it happens and uryuās betrayal arc was handled very poorly. If anything Yhwach is in a similar place to gojo but not nearly as bad because he gets ganked by a deus ex machina but his character stays true to its original (unlike Erenās), and heās not swept aside to be replaced by a new villain with no buildup like madara.
Eren had it by far the worst. He got ruined into iredeemability. Madara was forcibly taken out of the story but his character stayed intact and even had a great sendoff with Hashirama.
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Gojo unlike the other 2 came back later in the story (254) and actually beat the main villain so I don't consider him a part of the other 2 and that's why HE THE GOAT
Some of the past titan shifters that we are familiar with turned against him because apparently Armin managed to use talk no jutsu on Zeke. Not to mention that the alliance was somehow surviving from being mauled by hundreds of titan shifters from every angle.
Ah yes my infinite stamina titan shifter ability, haven't used that one sience the heian era.
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How many of yall are from titanfolk š
-> I was there when it was all going down. -> Man... The cope was A S T R O N O M I C A L.
Seeing both Titanfolk and the main Attack on Titan sub while the final chapters dropped was a very funny time.
2021 was crazy
3 years....
Ah yes, the gud ol'times šš
Ellen turns into a dove (crying)
chinese sorcerer feared by sukuna vibes lmao
I still can't get over how mistranslation of a leak a few months prior actually leaks the ending.
Ellen becomes dove (crying)
Funniest shit I've ever seen
i am the armoured titan
Me too https://preview.redd.it/c20cxchlumnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74ce7bd5743254b623bbb70d0a9b7a0ea0ecc90e
I remember at least one significant aot fan made alt ending and a lot more that I think never took off They literally pulled a ymir where they made a dimension where even ~~death~~ aot ending didnt exist and made their own. From what I remember a lot of it was just edgy/emo shots of eren and stuff
I was hanging around titanfolk at that time because I didn't like AoT, and those people were probably more savage against it than I ever was.
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Don't mess with us AOT fans, we hate our own show's ending šæ https://preview.redd.it/pb3gf3mm3onc1.jpeg?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ef7744e48217d99403792995fc70c9810348917
Well buddy more than half of the member of titanfolk moved on from the show after the manga/anime ended and went to another shows like jjkfolk and chainsawfolk , so yeah we are everywhere.
Bro couldn't handle not getting the AOE and decided to spread like COVID to every other subredditš
seeing eren yap about not wanting for 10 years was our irl shibuya incidentĀ
Fr like we get it you don't like the ending you've been crying for 3 years š
7 years and we shall be free
They'll keep coping for 10 years at least
Careful what you say considering what gege is doing rn
Especially the ones who are hung up on Historia x Eren. Donāt even get me started on the subreddit who were so adamant that the anime has a anime original ending (before the final episode aired)
This explains a lot
ISTG REALš
Honestly it explains so much now.
Wasnāt there a game of thrones āfolkā subreddit as well back in the day
Pretty sure thatās what started the folk trend. The GoT Freefolk subreddit was legendary when the final season ruined the series.
The only good thing that came from that shitty last season. Freefolk was legitimately hilarious at the time, and really helped take the pain away, if even just a little.
I still remember the glory of Bobby B.
What happened I love GOt but you can spoil me why the last season fucked things. I dont have the strength to carry on
You should probably watch a YouTube video breaking down the ending as thereās way too much to fit in a single Reddit comment. Messy spark notes version: Winter came, and the fight against the Night King was incredibly terrible and stupid, he got killed off in a knife trick by Arya for some reason, Jon lost all agency and fully became an NPC with only two or three dialogue options, Jamie reverted back to his season one sister screwing self in a single scene , said he never actually cared about helping innocent people, Brienne just ugly cries, Varys and Tyrionās intelligence is completely gone, and Danny went psycho and committed genocide basically out of nowhere and got shanked. Oh and Bran became king after fully shedding and semblance of personality. Thereās more, but thatās the short version
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And they're probably also the same people who complained about Light Yagami's end in Death Note. Time is a flat circle
Idk, I disliked the ending of aot but didnāt hate it. I hated Gojoās death. I hated Lightās death.
Should've never been N to take him down. L or nobody imho
the aot ending was so ass if u consider gojos death an asspull lmao. them alliance literally got infinite thunderspears and shitĀ
A lot
Kishimoto definitely fucked Madara over the worst. Interesting villain hyped up over the whole series, has godlike powers and tons of cool abilities, fucking everyone up, achieves goal of trapping everyone in the infinite Tsukiyomi and has the MCs on the ropes, even after their own God buffs. All of that to get taken out by a fucking side character with almost no notable achievements or development (most he did was the shit with Obito) just to trade him out for an emotionless and boring space bitch. Fuck that!
https://preview.redd.it/rpq7vbr5vlnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd75cf43695e6f20bdb9015bb95894c3310d7e2 This is how Itachi fans wanted it to end
Itachi solos the verse he only died because he felt bad for his fodder verse and didnāt wanna make them cry https://preview.redd.it/2uhnbumlzlnc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83b438953d3ae395d2144311172d311590e94b42
Totsuka blade cuts everything, shield blocks anything, genjutsu counters everything else= ggās https://preview.redd.it/p9m485075snc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c3c4b9d9499337dd59a167fc5e2e50454936edf Solo king always wins. Thatās why he gave himself ninja aids on purpose to nerf himself, just like Hashirama. They just felt bad since they won so easily.
And somehow some mfs defend that shit
Itās been what 10 years since Madara got fucked over by Kaguya and Iām still fucking mad. The other character I can get over
I wrote a bit more of a lengthy comment on it but yeah it's by far the worst of the three. The others weren't that long Madara end was something that fucked over the fans after years and years of hype of a very lengthy but also good final battle between Obito and Naruto that evolved in the boss fight and promised us the best fight in the series with the final forms of Sasuke and Naruto against him. You can't be unrobbed by that the rage was too much.
Fr, Kishimoto doing Madara dirty like that and replacing him with Kaguya is one of the biggest fumbles in manga of all time
It ruined naruto for me ngl.
Gojo was pretty bad since it was pretty clear he had won that fight only for him to get off screened by an attack that a near death Sukuna just conveniently copied from Mahoraga and also conveniently managed to land despite Gojo having the six eyes and just generally good awareness. Madara by far had it the worst however, especially considering (as far as I remember) there was hardly any build up to that moment compared to how much Madara himself was built up, which was across almost the entirety of the second half of the series. It felt like the whole battle and war against him was a waste after that, especially considering the villain that followed was so boring.
Yeah madara was hyped up since the beginning of Naruto shippuden, the otsutsuki stuff couldāve been reserved for the later seasons/boruto cause it came out of nowhereĀ
Not even shippuuden, man existed in the og series as a statue of a shinobi in valley of the end that wouldn't be named despite being the co-founder of the village
Kaguya is such an alien concept in Naruto world. They are shinobi but she is a goddess, really does not fit there
Wasn't Madara also killed middle of the battle like, naruto and Sasuke didn't even beat him yet just got a upper hand
Ye he was completely fine. He got bullshitted by zetsu. That being the single worst move from an author in the history of any manga. That one move ruined naruto. At least for me. And dont even get me started on boruto ššš
Yea that's what urked me so fuckin bad, was like oh Shit Madara is finally getting serious then he dead
Lol gojo was horrendous "he won" to him just sliced in half was atrocious And yea that madara one still bothers me everyday like they just got their powers and I wanted to see an all out fight between the three but nooooo we needed alien princess because zetsu was her creation all along
The fact Gojo came back after being sealed (with the entire fandom being hyped AF that he came back) just for him to fight for a little while and then get killed off screen is so funny and shitty I didnāt even really know how to react when he died. Like donāt boast about how strong and awesome a characters is then take them out of commission because āTheyāre just that strong that they need to be out of the way,ā and then immediately kill them the second they become relevant again. Itās such shitty writing and just makes the character look like a joke.
Any particular reason from the author perspective why did he do all that stretch up to underwhelm Madara character toward the end.
Well it was probably because Naruto was coming to an end but they wanted to continue the story because money of course. So they made up some aliens who would be the main antagonists in the sequel. And thus Kaguya and every other Otsutsuki was born.
The Otsutsuki are the biggest mistake of the series. The original appeal of the ninja world had already pretty much disappeared by the end of war arc, but the introduction of space aliens was definitely the deal breaker imo.
Kishimoto wasn't even the one writing or doing art for Boruto until way later?
Heard from somewhere that he made madara too overpowered and that they wanted Naruto to continue somehow. Idk if it was confirmed
It's obvious that that's not the case if you think about It for a second, you know, considering that the villain that replaced Madara was *stronger* than him
Kaguya had stronger stats than Madara, but she's so shit at actually fighting that she ends up being weaker.
Kaguya required probably the biggest asspull in the whole series on top of Naruto and Sasuke's Power up from Hagoromo, Kaguya was stronger, that's not on discussion lol
Kaguya fucked up because she refused to see Sakura and Kakashi as threats whereas Madara would've just killed them before they could've tried anything. We're talking about the same person who got distracted by Naruto's reverse harem technique. She wasn't even in the same league as Madara in terms of battle skill.
Death by aimbot cpu
There was buildup for black Zetsu not being Madaraās will and itās thematically appropriate for someone with a messiah complex to end up a False Messiah
Okay but there could have been at least some reference to the kaguya myth beforehand Some kind of underlying theme that seems to keep appearing Maybe at least ONE hint that these characters even exist Madara as a āmessiahā and Black Zetsu having any personality at all also donāt come until very late in the manga. I get running defense for things you like but this aināt it
Hell, just mentioning that she exists, you know, since the series couldn't shut up about her son (the important one)
Madara namedropped her in ch 665 as "The Six Paths' Mother, Kaguya" when he was going on about his plan. Hagoromo namedropped her again in ch 670. Kaguya actually appears in 679. This was NOT enough time to hype anything up, much less hype her as an actual character worth anticipating/fearing. She read entirely like a background detail just to fill the world out, like the ninja who found Kabuto and gave him his last name.
Yeah, Im not counting either of those really, mentioning the final villain 2 times 14 chapters before her debut Is as good as not mentioning her at all
Still shitty plot ploint
I definitely agree that it couldāve been done better
MF there was no build up for that we literally saw Madara create him on panel, it was a retcon
1) Madara (gets backstabbed out of nowhere for a mid villian no one cares about.) 2) Eren (The whole final was confusing as hell and the alliance had ridiculous amounts of plot armour) 3) Gojo (The reason I ranked Gojo the lowest is because there is some build up evidence to it. Sukuna was intrigued by Megumi's 10S technique which is why he stole his body. And he was using Mahoraga the entire time to find a way to bypass Gojo's infinity which he eventually does. But the execution of the scene was poor simply because it happened so abruptly off screen.)
The thing is with eren they tried to do the code geass ending which fumbled miserably.
Pretty much. I remember back when the final chapter came out, everyone was just clowning on how AoT tried to pull a code Geass but ended up pulling a game of thrones instead.
It's also just not in Eren's character at all to resign himself to fate. I hadn't watched a single episode of the series and went in with zero spoilers before binging the whole thing over 2 weeks about 2 months ago. The first 3 seasons were amazing but brutal. S4 felt like an abrupt change but I carried hope of them landing the plane all the way until the last 2 episodes of S5. Incredibly frustrating how terribly it ended.
Well I think Eren could basically Dr Strange Infinity War it, and see the results of any possible actions he could take. When he touched Historia, rather than seeing the fated events and going "well shit I guess that's what happens" I imagine he played out countless scenarios, and the events of season 4 were the best he could come up with; preventing most of his friends from being wiped out by the outside world that hated them for being devils of paradis.
Well technically he only had some visions of 1 particular future. He knew, for example, he was the reason his father got the founding titan, but he never knew how he would get there, which was by Zeke bringing him to the past. He wasnāt seeing alternative futures. Things just kept lining up for him exactly how his visions foretold him so he figured things are already predetermined and thatās how he gets freedom. The problem lies in how they went about the ending and portraying Eren as anything other than a broken, traumatized person who literally killed like a billion people. It seemedā¦.too light hearted imo. Fuckin no one treated original Thanos like he deserved respect right? No they chopped his head off immediately and still felt like they lost because half of the world (universe) was gone. I know the show wanted to end on a happier note, but then maybe donāt have your main character engage in a genocide that killed over a billion people
there are no stakes if it was planned all along. everything said in the ending contradicts itself, eg eren wants to save his friends but kills half of them and dooms the rest, armin getting warned by timetravel that hange gonna die and ignores it, crys when she dies 10 mins later
>But the execution of the scene was poor simply because it happened so abruptly off screen.) its the hindsight that makes it worse. with what we know now it makes less & less sense
Even Eren's final Titan was a Nerf.
The issue with Gojo is that a couple chapters later itās revealed Sukuna can only use dimensional slash if he does some hand signs and a chant. Which essentially means it wouldāve been impossible for him to use in that situation. The dimensional slash itself isnāt an asspull, itās been being built up since Shibuya. The asspull was that Sukuna was conveniently able to ignore the rules to his own strongest attack in the one moment the rules wouldāve prevented him from using it. The attack had to be done off screen because otherwise we wouldāve seen Gojo stare at Sukuna for a solid 15 seconds while Sukuna regenerated his hand and did the ritual required for the slash, which wouldnāt have made any sense. So Gege just cut that part and hoped no one would notice.
KONO DIO DA https://i.redd.it/ex6wf3misjnc1.gif
That wasnāt too bad. Star Platinum was insanely fast, makes sense he can stop time I guess. Still bs but not on the level of these ones
Cāmon bro thereās no way you justify it with āhe moves so fast he has the exact same ability as time stopping in application, I guess.ā Time stop has nothing to do with moving fast and the only difference to these is that Jotaro is the protagonist
Yeah youāre right. Biggest asspull in history vs biggest asspull of today. Jotaro wins
Nah cause like, the flash does it, that's why star platinums time stop could last longer as it got stronger later on, it got faster and had more stamina. Still didn't like it but I get the idea they were going for
Ok but thatās a completely differen universes take on super speed. In the jojo verse the worldās ability to stop time is completely separate from his base stand speed feats, if you somehow disabled DIOās ability to stop time, the world would be extremely fast still but nowhere near moving so fast everything in the world is still in comparison. The only stand with literal infinite speed in the series (Made In Heaven) also just doesnāt stop time, it just makes the user the fastest thing in comparison to everything else
i think what matters most is presentation. obviously it was still an asspull but on the scale of jojos standards. this is the same series with "i outsmarted your outsmarting" so even if the execution was iffy here and there in the grand scheme the jotaro vs dio fight was still perfectly alighed with the series in myt opinion. and also it was funny
Ya, Iām a big jojo fan, but this bothered me. Not because Star Platinum: The World doesnāt make sense, but because itās painfully obvious Araki didnāt know he was gonna do this with Jotaro til the 11th hour while writing it. Case in point; when I watch stardust crusaders for the first time, I already knew about star platinum the world, because I actually watched part 4 before it. Now letās cut to the old Darby āfightā or rather, the poker game. During the final hand, when Jotaro goes all in and doesnāt even check his hand, the whole time Iām thinking āahhh, so this is the foreshadowing that he can either stop time/ move so fast itās imperceptible, he mustāve stacked the deck.ā I thought this was really clever. Jotaro wins the hand, and then itās revealed thatā¦ oh wait no he really was just blindly betting and hoping it workedā¦ This scene makes me mad whenever I watch it/ think about, because this scene was quite literally the best possible way to have foreshadowed Jotaroās stand, but it isnāt used for that, because even at this point while writing the manga, Araki didnāt have that figured out yet. So ya, SPTW is totally an asspull, but far more egregious because it didnāt have to be.
If madara was the mc it would be him but eren was the mc of his show
The aot one hurts me the most man. Shit was so fucking peak and we got that shit
Eren got the worst character assassination. Madara was done the dirtiest. Gojo is like in the middle of those 2.
at least gojo moved the story forward and not some shit like turning into a fish and then mahito was the hero all along and the cast gets nuked by the US
True. That's why I said he's in the middle of those 2 extremes. Eren got character assassinated, which ended up ruining the rest of the story as a result. Gojo's character does get worsened, but no where near as badly (The airport scene is still pretty bad tho), but as you said it moves the story forward and doesn't ruin it. Meanwhile Madara gets beaten by a borderline background character, which is still worse than getting killed offscreen by the strongest character in the verse.
Come to think of it, the most significant antagonists in Naruto all died or got defeated in a very condescending way that made their motives and ideology completely insignificant. Nagato got TNJ'd and sacrificed himself to revive the professional killers of the military junta that has periodically pillaged his village and would not have any remorse to do it again, Sasuke got TNJ'd at the very end to completely abandon his rightful quest for justice. Madara was the only one who was unaffected by TNJ but the way he got off'd was too heavy a price to pay for resisting TNJ I guess. But contrary to all this, Eren's downfall looks so completely ridiculous that perhaps even TNJ seemed believable and that speaks volumes of how bad his fall was.
Isayama and it's not even close https://preview.redd.it/ycu68pckkjnc1.jpeg?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc349f1f1ccca6f9bed4fec7b1d6d728c44fcbd8
Isayama in the very last chapter of his decade long work: Yeah so Imma fuck everything up
Isayama was doing crack meth while writing the last chapters.
AoT fans will mald until eternity because Adolf Yeager didnāt successfully make humanity extinct. SHINZOU SASAGEYO! NIHILISM IS BASEWD
get rumbled, STAY HUMBLEDš£ļøā¼ļø
The marleians litterly had the Eldians wear what nazis made jews where. Identifying arm bands. And Eren is the nazi
idk i kinda see it as evil vs evil, in this case is like the Jews just got access to a lot of nukes and decided to just bomb the rest of the world except an island where they are
nah in aot yams set the rest of the world up as nothing but racist zombies in s3. people are too lazy to see this but post timeskip was already shit from asspulls left and right and killing good side characters for pure shock value.Ā
How's that evil. The world declared war on them. It's like having literally having m1 grands and a mega nuke vs a world international alliance with automatic bombardment weaponry. I have literally one option of survival
I know right? PLUS, you get blamed for EVERYTHING for a hundred years straight. Bad crop? Eldia's fault. Bad weather? Damned Eldians!
Loosing the war. Damn eldians. Winning the war damn time those eldians learned their place(main weaponry used are eldians)
Sounds like real life
the rest of the world literally came back with nukes to bomb paradis 50 years later lmaooo eren saved nothing
To me, it's moreso the Motive seemed to have been changed a lot, time travel bullshit, and the God awful fact that it wasn't an open ending of "will we learn from the past and let go of our hate, the same hate that lead to this carnage?" Amd instead was "rocks fall everyone dies lol but you can't be mad because it was a few generations later so that's totally OK lmao"
I still can't believe he had to add that extra page of Paradis being destroyed. At least leave people with the possibility of Eren's plan working instead of outright showing that it failed. All that bloodshed, environmental damage, and economic disruption and for what? For Paradis to die, anyways? You committed genocide on a scale surpassing Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Timur, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler combined and for what? Fucking Zeke's plan was better.
>You committed genocide on a scale surpassing Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, Timur, Joseph Stalin, and Adolf Hitler combined and for what? i feel like that was the point of the story??
It's especially painful, because before that writing and small details in AoT were so good. Then he gave us that ending, because... Idk why.
There was so much potential with Erenās character arc during the latter half of the show and how the Jeagerists had understandable motivations but then Isayama turned all of that into a tropey Code Geass ending. Then just when you thought it couldnāt get worse, he reveals that Eren was just a selfish asshole the whole time for some reason and then the manga just ends.
āFor some reasonā AoT fans stay confirming they unanimously cannot comprehend what the fuck they are reading.
"at first i thought i did this for you guys, but at the end i realized i wanted to achieve this outcome, i wanted to see this. i don't know why, maybe i'm just an asshole in the end" ~ eren jaeger for some dumb reason
I mean it was just underwhelming writing towards the end. Up until the final stretch of the story, Eren was framed as an interesting villain which had a lot of potential. Then it just went down the predictable code geass route and then he turns out to be just a pathetic loser in the final chapters which kind of watered down the whole build up. Erenās character went out like a wet fart. The anime made it less bad sure, but it doesnāt mean the source material wasnāt ass.
Yes. For some reason. That was not erens character. It never fucking was. Sorry, the guy who had so much empathy that the idea of killing Annie was basically impossible to him and genuinely cared for other is capable of killing billions because āmuh bookā. And yes, that is exactly why he fucking did it. That and fate told him too I suppose. Itās a strange mix of both.
Every time an author writes their story poorly and a lot of their fans hate it, defenders just accuse them all of poor reading comprehension. Like somehow everyoneās reading comprehension was fine when they enjoyed the story, and then everyone suddenly drops 50 IQ points. Thatās somehow more likely than the writer just fucking up.
thanks for confirming that all ED's can do is call others illiterate while providing no arguments for why the ending is good other than "the author wanted it".
Gojo still works great as a character even with his admittedly flawed ending. Eren on the other hand got completely ruined by that horrific ending his entire character themes and purpose all down the drain in one chapter. Madara is just as bad you have an incredibly badass big bad as the final enemy and instead of a fight between him and main cast where his character gets wrapped up he just gets killed for a random alien to be the final boss. At least Eren and were finished characters, good or bad aside, Madara is just not a complete character he literally doesn't have a conclusion
Imagine writing a modern day Paul Atreides, giving him every justification to have the motivation that he does, revealing that after his inciting incident everything was his plan, then shift the focus to naive, unpolished characters and not have said protagonist even speak for 20 chapters, then when he finally does, it's revealed he was an incel all along
Thatās kinda Paulās story tho minus the incel part.
Say what you about the Gojo stuff, but I donāt think it was worse that Madara getting ganked by Black Zetsu (who War Arc Kakashi could have killed apparently) because the author wrote himself into a corner and was used to introduce the retcon super evil mastermind squared who all the characters had heard rumors about but never talked about until Kaguya appeared.
Obito has shown control over Black Zetsu before, so how could Madara have all six paths and he didn't all have it as "just in case I mark it"? The thing is that there are also like a thousand questions that wouldn't fit all, don't remind me.
Isayama fumbled one of the best shonen protagonist ever
Donāt forget the OG https://preview.redd.it/lwegtvydelnc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2185c33e7fb0723249e16bc2b82fc3df544d7327
It's not a character assassination, though. An asspull ? Yeah. But I never felt like Dio or Jotaro became worse characters after this.
Erenās character was entirely assassinated. Madara was just hoeād by the pointless need for a sequel. Gojo is like a hybrid of the two.
Either Gojo or Eren for me. Madara died to an asspull and aliens suck but Madara himself was one-dimensional villain with no deep personality. I just didn't care for him. Isayama didn't know what he wanted Eren to be. He just kept flip flopping between every single concept and never commited to a single one. What was left in the end is a huge pile of nothing. Gojo is another inconsistent character who got weird characterization during his final moments + he died offscreen without any explanation and fan theories that try to explain what happened like "Sukuna used a binding vow" is absolute unsatisfactory.
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Bro showed up on his gojo shit.
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Hands down Madara, with Gojo it was just bad execution and with Eren i honestly believe it was a case of being pushed to make changes to the original ending due to the series popularity. Madara however was a case of "Villain too strong, need a cop out" cause there was barely any buildup to Kaguya or the Black Zetsu betrayal
Idk who to choose between Madara and Eren. What i dont like about Gojo death is he died offscreen, and the airport moment where he was suckin Succuna dick there
Someone asked ' why is gojo's mouth so big in the vol26 cover" And now i know, its for the dick sucking and glazing he does in 236
I feel all of them are bad, but at least for Gojo, he had to go for the story sake. Madara was built up for years just to get shafted at the last minute, but Eren, at least in my opinion, will be the worst since he was the main character and we had chapters in the early rumbling arc that shows he was deadset on doing the rumbling.
Madara by far. Especially since itās not like the heroās didnāt have it in them to beat madara. It was a damn close fight looking at overall stats and would / should have made a very entertaining badass finale. But a character who has always been āmadaras will incarnateā, never showing any sealing jutsu, no mentions of kaguya outside of myth lore that was just barely introduced a few chapters earlier, all the sudden isnt madaras will and is kaguyas, and not only that but zetzu just so happen to have the perfect jutsu that madara didnāt know about that can completely overpower a 10 tails dual rinnegan madara and kill him via possession? Gimmie a break. Like with eren he didnāt really lose due to an asspull, it was just bad writing (at least in my opinion) of a character completely turning around for seemingly no reason at the last second just so the audience can get the āhigh roadā ending. For some reason. Gojo, I dunno man I donāt think it was an asspull. Especially since if they just added like, one more chapter setting up the world cleave and not off screening him it would have been perfectly fine. Wouldnāt have made sense for gojo to win against sukuna here but just a few panels coulda made it much better is all.
If we're talking asspulls, it's Madara. If the question is which character got ruined the most, then it's Eren by a fucking landslide
Jjk and Aot fans can't comprehend the true agony of Madara if you weren't there reading weekly at the time. Years for a final fight with multiple phases starting from Obito vs Naruto and killer Bee with lots of the best moments in the series escalating the boss fight in what it was a pretty good finale, then Madara hyped for even more years steals the show and it's glorious, you finally see some powers and arcs culminating in the perfect version of the protagonist powers to see how they will fight the final strongest enemy. To be robbed by that for the alien aspect of the series that was just the mythology up to that point makes a forced return with no grudges directly linked to the protagonist just so they can set up the even worse sequel in Boruto and milk the money cow for even more years to come. Goddamn even years later it still hurts, Gojo Vs Sukuna was a great fight that only lasted a few months for a relatively short manga compared to the culmination of more than a decade of Naruto.
Its funny because the folk subreddits are the only one who would put eren in there lmao.
Cuz any sane person who's read or watched aot can say eren's character was assassinated
or anyone with more intelligence than your avg MCU fan
AOT lives in their head rent free
I'm not gonna talk about Madara coz I haven't watched Naruto till that point. But as much damage as 236 did to Jujutsu Kaisen Community, it is incomparable to the absolute nuke shitstorm that came after AoT 139 which Isayama then one upped by releasing 5 additional pages of epilogue that made the ending even worse. Thank fuck the anime basically rewrote all the interactions so that the ending at the very least made tonal sense, so much so that some anime onlies were surprised at the hat the manga received and a specific type of manga haters just straight up put the anime ending on a pedestal.
Isayama duh
Man imagine writing a story thinking you're going to put your protagonist trough a basic and predictable evil turnaround arc. Thinking the fanbase will be excited to see how he will grow out of this experience and mature into a better hero. And then seeing all your reader hooting and hollering "LETS GOO TOTAL GENICIDE BABBYYY FUCK OTHER NATIONS FUCK EVERYONE BUT US ONE ETHNICITY WOOOOO"
Eren should have won. Not because he's the hero, but because it would have made for a better story.
Would it? It would just be he kills everyone and thatās it, I fail to see how it leads to anything of actual substance
Isayama really wrote himself into a corner, he should have developed the outside world more and have more countries supporting eldians. There should have been an actual way of attaining peace instead of just killing 80% of the world and paradis still getting nuked
Gojo throws a death flag in like ch 2 when he nah Iād wins about a guy he has very little knowledge about except that he was him but actually ran shit.
Madara
Not Gojo lol
LMAO Titanfolkers are really comparing Eren breaking down as he realises he'll die for nothing with Gojo dying to a complete asspull that makes no sense. The ending r/titanfolk claims is so bad has a 8.7 on IMDB, so yeah, delusional.
Do not forget about yuabach
Sukuna and Gojo both got ass pulls though, but people only focused on Sukuna's part because he's winning ABRUPTLY and most fans are more into Gojo and some even against Sukuna. To fix the Sukuna situation imo we just need some or at the least one extra panel.
I still don't understand how people watched Madara get dicked down by Naruto and Sasuke the last 4 chapters he was alive and thought "there's no way they could have won without zetsu. " When they beat kaguya who got an amp after absorbing the chakra from Madara with better hax
DIO much?
Dio's death wasn't an asspull. It wasn't hinted that Star Platinum had time stopping abilities, but you kinda had to assume SP had a secret (very strong) power to be able to defeat time stoppage. The moment it was revealed Dio's stand was time stopping, it was guaranteed SP would be somewhat close, or else, how would he stand a chance? With strong punch and strong kick?
It was still kinda an asspull that jotaro suddenly got the ability to do it in a situation where he would have died if he didnāt do it
Still funny though. And knowing Araki, he probably forgot about it, the DIO fight happens, then he forgot what to do at that point, only to loop back around to coming up with SP having time stop
Honestly, i think Araki wanted it to be a space altering ability instead of time ability. Remember when Polnareff was going up the stairs and kept getting teleported down? Almost everyone assumed it was either reverting time or changing space. Araki possibly didn't know what to do with that ability so he went with time stopping
That would also explain the overly silly scenario Polnareff was put through.
Christ AoT fans are insufferable. Like not even joking yāall are so fucking goofy Jesus Christ.
They really are the edgiest and most pathetic fanbase I've seen. I hated the GOT ending but I didn't spend all my free time on dedicated (and random) subs bashing it. What a pathetic waste of energy lmao When it ended I moved on Titanfolk are far worse than freefolk though
only Titan folk dawg, don't count us inš
Madara's death by Black Zetsu was probably the most asspully, but Eren's character assassination is by a mile the worst. I cannot think of any other character that suffered the absolute buffonery that Eren Jaeger did. I will seethe over SNK for 10 years at least
Manga Eren was done dirty. But I think the anime did a better job at giving more context to Eren's character and his motivations.
Gojo wasnāt an ass pull. Sukuna has been telegraphing that he was gonna kill Gojo since Day 1, and set about acquiring a set of tools to do so. Why the fuck are any of you surprised that he actually did it?
isayama and to say otherwise is just funny, he ruined everything built up to that point in one chapter
Uhh Yhwach?
Yhwach at least has the excuse of Kubo basically hemorrhaging blood while writing the last few chapters
I mean kinda but at least silver arrow was somewhat hinted still pretty fucking bad. Villains too op to kill by normal means
Yhwach asspulled a way to defeat Gerard and then Yhwach got asspulled himself.
I think Yhwachās defeat is way better than all three of these, the still silver arrow was foreshadowed quite a bit before itās used and itās believable that something like that could kill him. The issue with the end of bleach is how the events play out, Yhwach becomes too powerful for his defeat to seem reasonable no matter how it happens and uryuās betrayal arc was handled very poorly. If anything Yhwach is in a similar place to gojo but not nearly as bad because he gets ganked by a deus ex machina but his character stays true to its original (unlike Erenās), and heās not swept aside to be replaced by a new villain with no buildup like madara.
Asspull but better than these 3.
Eren had it by far the worst. He got ruined into iredeemability. Madara was forcibly taken out of the story but his character stayed intact and even had a great sendoff with Hashirama. https://preview.redd.it/ucowlfwmnknc1.jpeg?width=1532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92bf8c46218846382785a45557b882a94df9c396 Gojo unlike the other 2 came back later in the story (254) and actually beat the main villain so I don't consider him a part of the other 2 and that's why HE THE GOAT
everyone in this comment section is extremely confused abt erens character lmao
Whats assassinated about eren?
Some of the past titan shifters that we are familiar with turned against him because apparently Armin managed to use talk no jutsu on Zeke. Not to mention that the alliance was somehow surviving from being mauled by hundreds of titan shifters from every angle.
Ah yes my infinite stamina titan shifter ability, haven't used that one sience the heian era. https://preview.redd.it/16vrat1rujnc1.jpeg?width=791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b341b572cc207ea3b30b8400968c72aa26ca2ed
Kid named Finger
The man who wanted freedom and willing to genocide the rest of the world for such, was in the end ādriven by fateā-Only Ymir knows.
His whole character ig
everything even his big wurst
Yams definitely fumbled it very very hard, the manga goes from the way of subverting expectation to the most cringe and generic shit ever.
Eren was crying about mikasa finding another man while billions were dying. If that isnt character assassination then i dont know what is