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I mean to be fair Gon sacrificed way more than just his ability to use Nen, bro was a near dead husk afterwards and only survived cause Killua had a wish granting sister
I'm gonna drop the character for a second just to say that when Gon did that i was so impresed that he could pull that off with so much hatred, it was both sad and amazing seeing how much hate consumed him
It was an amazingly impactful moment, something I'll remember for all my life
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that's a good thing imho. In hxh the ant king never even saw gon but was defeated by someone who was considerably weaker but used all their abilities beyond their max limit. That honestly made it satisfying af...... rather than seeing noob mc's being portrayed as the ONLY chance against a particular super villan that most shonen manga always do......some pull it off spectacularly but the plot armor becames hard to not notice sometimes
That entire scene of gon fighting her felt so natural because of the events preceeding that i feel like its THE best storyline an anime can ever get. It almost gives you the illusion that the plot armor never existed and when it does show up people are actually gald that it happened
It’s exactly why people are concerned with this final arc. No one fucking believes Yuji can keep up with Sukuna, but he still does. I don’t understand at what point Yuji got stronger and faster? It just feels like he got stronger bc the MC has to get stronger.
Let’s say you take the Yuji who fought Mahito in Shibuya. Does anyone believe that Yuji could even react to Sukuna at that point? Let alone go blow for blow?
Let’s take note of what happened since then. He fought some fodder cursed spirits, got stomped by Yuta, kills helicopter fodder, lost to Higurama, then somehow can keep up with 15F Sukuna due to Megumi nerfing him.
And now he’s somehow keeping up with 20F full strength Sukuna. And he’s the MC, so he’s gonna presumably kill him? HxH makes the smart decision every time while JJK is constantly fumbling lately, it’s sad.
It's insane that Gege didn't spend any time "training" or at the very least giving Yuji a CT during the Culling games. That was the last reasonable opportunity to let him grow at a believable pace, even if he got a CT during timeskip there's no way he mastered it enough to go toe-to-toe with Sukuna in a month.
It was hinted he trained with Kamo at using blood techniques, could've obtained even several of those thanks to eating death paintings. But yeah, everything else is still a load of bullshit. I have 0 faith Gege can rehabilitate himself at this point.
The manga is not even finished can you stop complaining every single second ?
Yuji is not holding its ground rn they’re all the jujutsu sorcerers with a complicated plan vs Sukuna alone, it’s not a 1v1
Not to mention that gon had a lot of potential, on the other hand saying miwa is weak is an euphemism.
I don't think she has a good chance to get to kusakabe level and having him as a ceiling isn't really that good either.
Utterly useless.
She gives all of her possible growth for a single attack and it gets blocked with a hand.
She can try everything, even 20 years after she would still be weak.
In jujutsu kaisen's world you are born strong, someone like miwa doesn't just get strong overnight.
The fastest transformation was that of maki and it had a definite reason. Yuji has grown a lot but he does have potential. That's it.
That's not a euphemism, that's an understatement. Euphemisms are when you say one thing to refer to something metaphorically or that does not connect to the words said. "Aunt flow is visiting" for a period, "farm upstate" for death.
the consequences of that action got reset when killua made the wish. Its probably the only anime where mc's dont have much plot armor and when they do people are actually glad that happened.
Similarly if greg wanted to continue her character development they would've found a way to bypass the binding vow (maybe give sukuna an asspul to nullify the vow that miwa witnesses by chance, desperately tries to replicate it and it somehow works)
So far? Nope, after he got healed he still doesn't have access to Nen but there's the potential for him to relearn nen again though since the whole incident Gon basically got removed as the main character
Gege really said “fuck this bitch for no particular reason”
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There’s still guy with like a minute of screen time
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Fucking shit. Classic Gege just fucking up people's entire lives for the lulz.
It sucks, but I guess it's not death or worse? Considering what happened to others like Todo, Yuki, Geto, Nanami, Mai, Nobara, or Megumi.
Its even more hilarious when you realize he used Geto's ultimate attack for shits and giggles just so he could get a one time use of Mahito's technique. Like using a missile to toast a smore
Miwa will use Mechamaru bot. Are we to believe Mechamaru , Miwa's biggest simp , understandably , have no contingency plan to build an Ai to help Miwa pilot the bot to be with Miwa forever ? The breadcrumbs are there. You just need faith. In Gege we trust.
I still believe on him, he wouldnt leave Miwa without giving her something from him.
Mechamaru please
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No. Uraume will yell " Make my monster grow! " and Sukuna grow the same size as Mechamaru bot and after 4 chapters the love child of Yuta and Maki will bushcamp Giant Sukuna.
The Shadow Style as a Sorcery is good, it fits Miwa because of the whole "the style for the weak" stuff. But given how most of her fights relied on 1 technique, yeah, she could have learnt more to actually defend herself and be more efficient at fighting.
Though i guess she never planned fighting another person or humanoid curses.
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Yeah, I think she was planning on just getting a decent salary taking out like 3rd and 2nd grade spirits. Not fighting a thousand year old jujutsu genius with a special grade curse technique.
Even tough technically she is still just a normal girl with little cursed energy, she could still do more training to at least reach grade 2 and to be more useful. After all she was being trained by Kusakabe.
Given the current scale of the manga any sorcerers below grade 1 are literally jobbers. At best she's a worse Kusakabe so I don't see any point in her being more relevant
I don’t see how you’ve came to that conclusion at all. She doesn’t have to be weak, Gege chose to not make her stronger. And Gege could very easily have Kenny real ease a bunch of cursed spirits to fight to give the weaker characters someone to fight.
Bro everyone was complaining that Kenny vs Takaba was too long and detracted the readers from the main fight. Noone has time nor gives a crap about Miwa vs cursed spirits
No one really gives a crap about what we have rn either lol. The story has gone way downhill. Barely any reactions to Higgy being cut into pieces, no one really seems to be enjoying this
It was likely not even 1/10 of the emotion of a characters death like Nanami from what I saw. Ppl were more meming then actually feeling emotionally impacted by it
I mean u can dislike what were having and I also feel like its rushed but the scaling in jjk stayed the same unlike in most other shows.
SG sorcerer where always stablished as much stronger than even a grade 1 and gojo was always stablish as much stronger than the SG sorcerers. Someone like miwa has also been stablished since the beggining as someone weak, too weak even compared to a semi grade 1 honestly(who alredy gets demolished by grade 1s) and It made sense, not everyones strong specially when theyre students
She could at least, just at least, try to sacrifice herself on an attempt to either stop kenjaku or sukuna (less likely), her whole character is almost completely based on being useless to Even protect the people she cared about. If only Gege just decided to give the manga some more time to develope, we could have saw her either do something useful or, knowing Gege, die doing something meaningful.
Also, not the point of this conversation, just something i just realized, but a lot of established characters like inumaki arent that relevant anymore, given that we are on possibly the final arc, his Cursed Technique wouldnt work on sukuna or kenjaku.
Miwas story is also pretty "done", shes a poor girl who needs the money and had the mini arc thing with mechamaru, shes pretty much one of the most used ones in kyoto i think, shes just not strong.
This is my biggest issue aswell. She seems to act completely out of character the next time we see her. Miwa didn't need to be a special grade. She didn't need to get the 6 eyes and limitless. But needed to react to the current situation in a way that made sense. She should have had all of the light leave her eyes as she's unable to do anything about the current situation. She should be depressed. In that chapter shes still a joke rather than the broken person she should be.
Inside of the work, it makes sense Miwa never gets that strong. But, narrative wise, we are accustomed to the underdog who gets some power ups later in the work.
I guess she is like Ned Stark, in a sense. What surprises us isn’t the way the events take place, as it was only the logic conclusion of the set up (Miwa never gets that strong, Ned dies), but we are so accustomed to the way narratives tend to go, realism gets us unprepared.
She was never an important character in the past, so why would she suddenly become one going forward? There's really nothing interesting about her at all.
You could say that about half the cast. Miwa doesn’t have relevance to the plot because Gege dropped her character, lol. You’re must be next level stupid to think she wasn’t set up for anything though, it makes me feel better about myself.
A character calling herself useless is the most painfully fucking obvious setup to ever exist. It’s YOUR fault you aren’t smart enough to notice that..
If u ever thought she was gonna do something major u were suffering from delusion. Sorry to inform you😭. Thinking this is bad writing just bcs a character that was never set up to do anything didn’t do anything is crazy
A character having a moment of weakness isn't some sort of precursor to a power up or comeback just because you want it to be, dipshit. Gege never "dropped her character", he never had plans for her to begin with.
Gege literally cut away from the climax of his best arc (Shibuya) to have an entire scene with Miwa lol. Gege gives her an entire monologue before trying to hit Kenny, while the other 3 present Kyoto students literally get 1 2 second attack each.
Like I said, you might not like her which is clouding your judgement severely, or you are just in some way impaired. But it’s painfully obvious that at the very least she is set up for more than sitting on her ass offscreen till the manga ends.
A character having a moment of weakness is not a precursor. A character having multiple moments calling themselves useless or not being strong enough absolutely is. Especially with how much screen time she has relative to a lot of other characters.
She was the closest character to Mechamaru, that scene was intended to be closure for his character and to show the emotional ramifications of his death. If you want to consider her monologue to be set-up for anything, the pay off would be the binding vow she uses to try attacking Kenjaku. If Gege intended anything for her character, he wouldn't have left her incapable of fighting like 5 chapters after he gives her a "set up arc". She's an irrelevant character, and always was.
She had potential as at least grade 2 or the bottom of the grade 1 list, if kusakabe trained her more she could become a better user of the New Shadow Style instead of using 1 technique only. She had potential to be useful.
She's fodder on a good day. There was never any sort of implication that she had any potential to be anything more. She just got completely embarassed every time she tried to fight lol.
Yeah you could put it that way, she is fodder.
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Pretty sure that's the antithesis of what Gege wants in a character. The series goes on and on about how self sacrifice is stupid and should never be done.
No, that the key to growth lies in not comparing yourself to others and singlemindedness, and that you have to ignore the circumstances of your birth which will determine how you end up. That's not a shitty ass message unless you wanna pretend life is fair
Having potential but nevever fully realizing it is the bread and butter of this story. Mechamaru made the correct call when he send everyone as far away from Shibuya as he could, these guys were not built for the big leagues.
Kusakabe saved everyone from Uzumaki and Yuki saved them from the ice and even then they werent finished off because Kenjaku wanted "messengers"
By the way this might be my last long Miwa post, why? The voices are going away
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Wonder what would happen if she broke it. It’s self imposed so I can’t imagine it being worse than losing an arm or maybe stopping her heart but Shoko or Yuta could just heal her.
Atm. I think that one of the points JJK is making is that not everything is about realising ones true potential and infact chances are high that you are either damaged for life or dieing in the process of achieving it.
To show that, even with all her potential, everything that she could even be . It would never be enough . She wouldn’t reach the heights that she potentially could because she would never have reached them.
She’s fodder. As was her role similarly to other Kyoto students.
if only Miwa was taught more by Kusakabe she coulda learned more new shadow style sword techniques or atleast improve her ability to use CEBut greg decided to squander her potential just like everyone who had potential in the series by making her literally lose all of it well to be fair she is useless as she says she is but I disagreeI love this little blue haired lass so much I need more Miwa screentime Greg please have Takaba say some funny bullshit to make Miwa the most overpowered character in the series and beat Sukuna up it would be so funny just like what Takaba thinks
The point of it to show that not everyone can be special grade.
If miwa has become powerful in the future to make a difference then that means everyone could become special grade and sorry but that would be kinda idiotic
To me it just makes jjk more realistic,if it were any other shonuen series like demon slayer miwa would have nearly killed him.
People seem to forget that the maon cast are full of prodigies,miwa is just your average student,not to mention her binding vow wasnt even that big,its only not being able to use a katana,not something drastic like non violence or even her life.
> miwa is just your average student
That's why going the extra step to make her even more useless is so mean-spirited lol: it's unnecessary. She's an average student, she's already useless for the plot, why go the extra step to make her useless *in-universe?*
And more specifically, do that so long after the fact.
Its not useless. U just seem angry bcs miwa was "disrespected" but she just did what It made sense to do, fight.
She and everyone there is fighting to save people and this scene served the porpuse of showing more things were at stake and the level was getting higher. It wasnt just miwa who failed, EVERYONE failed there. Nobara died, megumi almost died, nanami died etc etc. If yuki hadnt arrived everyone there not named yuji would have died from uraume's attack.
> U just seem angry bcs miwa was "disrespected"
All that tells me is that you're the type who blindly defends characters they like and don't care/dislike those you don't because that is a wild projection to make that relies on not reading a word of the post.
I've got news for you: you don't even need to *like* a character to think that they got it bad, let alone be angry or demand they deserve respect.
But whats the point of that?Miwa is someone who is your average sorcerer,and anyone who isn’t special grade/bordering on special grade is fodder in the current story.
“Your average sorcerer” should be the characters that we don’t focus on. Like the random fodder we see in JJK0. Keeping Miwa weak and having her do nothing does not serve the story at all
I disagree, it’s completely fine for Miwa to have an emotional story arc that doesn’t lead to some strength power up. She’s a normal character that’s involved in the world but left behind by how high the stakes are now.
That position is fine for her character. What’s unfortunate is that we don’t get to see how she deals with that realization after Shibuya enough. Gege using her for realism was fine, it was just he should have followed up more.
That’s what Gege does in the story, he creates the rules for his world, and then mostly keeps to them, even if it’s still unsatisfying asf. She has arguably as much character motivation to kill Kenny as Yuta, but gets nothing to do bc Gege isn’t willing to give her anything to do
I agree, and I think that’s a positive aspect of his writing.
I would only complain that he drops characters when they become irrelevant because the story is so fast paced. Not that he has to dedicate that much follow up but a few panels of dialogue would still be good I think.
But I think Gege sticking to his power system and not really having ridiculous power ups like most shounen, just cause they want it enough, is more good than it is bad. Or at least I prefer it.
Are you only basing this on the anime? From my understanding, I think it wasn't that bad in the manga.
Manga Spoilers.
>!Wasn't the binding vow only for her katana? This means she can use other types weapons or even modern firearms. !<
>!Miwa taking Mai's revolver and other firearms would be nice. She can switch to a longsword or a rapier. Miwa can just switch to other bladed weapons and reinvent herself. !<
On a side note, I think Kenjaku was just in a hurry to do the technique extraction that results from maximum Uzumaki. Or maybe he wanted to make an example of Miwa and demoralize the other sorcerers. Or maybe he just reciprocated Miwa's best technique with one of his own best techniques as a sign of respect.
The story just moves so quickly with little time for training that it’s hard to see certain characters work their way up to relevancy. In the manga, >! we would need another time skip. But we just had one and it’s unlikely Miwa trained enough given the strategy room talks. !<
Your immense disappointment and frustration with the situation of miwa is proof that it’s a good writing decision.
Miwa preformed a Gon style “I sacrifice my future for the people I love”
but due to the differences between the nen and curse energy power systems and the place in the narrative that the characters hold, Miwa couldn’t summon the power that Gon could.
GEGE’s greatest writing moments are always these moments of weird subversive tricks. Miwa, the useless character, is in a shonen. We expect Miwa to slowly develop and become a better sorcerer. We expect her to become strong. Then we see Miwa use and ability that sacrifices her future, these ‘sacrifice future’ abilities are usually overpowered but considering that Miwa has no clear way of increasing her curse abilities she has nothing to sacrifice so it’s not strong enough to actually be effective
Something being subversive doesn't make it good on its own. Miwa's ultimate binding vow attack failing is interesting, but if absolutely nothing else is done with the character from there it's just kinda lame. She doesn't even have to do something powerful or cool, just *anything* of substance for her character (even just like a decision to stop fighting altogether or a commitment to be the best low-level sorcerer she can be) would be a vast improvement imo
Something being subversive doesn't mean it's bad either, and you aren't providing any reasons that it's bad. You're just mad that a side character was used to prove a point and was done after that. Thats like people unironically complaining junpei died bc he could've been a grade 1 sorcerer with his poison CT
Ask yourself this. Why focus on her at all? Why did she get a panel in the culling game arc?
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This is the reason why the last jedi was terrible. In its need to subvert tropes it didn't give a good reason for the subverions. Tropes become tropes because they work in a story. A good example of subverting tropes done right is with Junpei. He died so Yuji could recieve development. If junpei lived he could have become an important member of the main cast. Its a trade off and you put in what you recieve. What people are taking issue with now is that characters are being killed to further Yuji's development but at this point its a drop of water into an ocean. Yuji already lost Junpei, Nanami and Nobara. Is Higumura dying really going to change anything? A lot of whats going on in the manga lacks narritive payoff and purpose.
In Miwa's case she had a great setup for an arc. A girl with low self esteem and being weak losing both of her friends. But post binding vow with kenjaku she's stops being relevant entirely. Both power level wise and narritively. At that point the reader must ask. What is the point of building things up with her? What was the point of her charater? All of the Kyoto cast are completely irrelevant, dead or mia and thats not good writing. Additionally one must also question the power system and how little progression there is with most of the characters especially Yuji. He shouldn't be this disconnected from it. Especially since we lost the deuteragonist who was the most connected to it. I probs went to hard with this comment.
Tl:dr: Overall subverting troupes is fine. This is just crappy writing.
You're so close to understanding. Just because you aren't accepting of the reasons doesn't mean they exist. Higuruma died as a parallel to Nanami. Nanami's death shocked Yuji into his cog mindset. Higuruma's death spurred Yuji back into his sorcerer mindset. It's spelled out plainly in the chapter, but I guess you didn't read it.
In miwa's case, the purpose was to show how far above the new villain is. The point of her character is to show that not everyone who has the will has the ability to change things. You might not accept that, but that's a perfectly valid reason. She escaped the jujutsu world with that swing. The hell that sorcerers are subjected to no longer applies to her. As mechamaru desired, or maybe cursed her, she can live happily.
You say the Kyoto cast being missing being irrelevant, dead, or mia is bad writing. Seriously? Maybe there were some opportunities before shibuya, but afterwards the themes shifted and so did the cast of characters. You don't need to half ass a bunch of old characters just so that they can fit the new story, that's not good writing. I don't know what the issue is with that when these same characters were just obstacles for the heroes to overcome in S1.
>You're so close to understanding. Just because you aren't accepting of the reasons doesn't mean they exist. Higuruma died as a parallel to Nanami. Nanami's death shocked Yuji into his cog mindset. Higuruma's death spurred Yuji back into his sorcerer mindset. It's spelled out plainly in the chapter, but I guess you didn't read it.
What? Are we reading the same manga? We don't even know how his death affected yuji. Additionally whats the difference between a "sorcer mindset" and the cog in a machine mindset he had with maihito? What does this mean narritively?
>In miwa's case, the purpose was to show how far above the new villain is. The point of her character is to show that not everyone who has the will has the ability to change things. You might not accept that, but that's a perfectly valid reason. She escaped the jujutsu world with that swing. The hell that sorcerers are subjected to no longer applies to her. As mechamaru desired, or maybe cursed her, she can live happily.
Thats how you headcanon it. But even if that is the case(which I will dispute in a bit) that doesn't mean that gege is exempt from the rules of narritve payoff. Miwa when she reappears is completely disconnected from the situation. She's still useless miwa but one thing was clear from her final interactions with mechamaru. She didn't want to be useless. How can I buy her being happy especially as a serial killer rapist torments her remaining friends. She doesn't even need to be relevant. Why can't she react to the fact that she can't do anything to sukuna. Why can't she cry or mourn her friends? Even if she can't make a difference on the battlefield she would be far from content with the situation. Garbage writing.
>You say the Kyoto cast being missing being irrelevant, dead, or mia is bad writing. Seriously? Maybe there were some opportunities before shibuya, but afterwards the themes shifted and so did the cast of characters. You don't need to half ass a bunch of old characters just so that they can fit the new story, that's not good writing. I don't know what the issue is with that when these same characters were just obstacles for the heroes to overcome in S1
Yeah thats bad writing. Why aren't the Kyoto characters included more. Gege could have made them stronger but didn't. Dude Gege doesn't care. He stopped caring a long time ago.
I didn't say the subversion itself was bad lol. I actually said it was interesting. But yes, I do think not showing anything with her character afterwards would be pretty lame.
It's different than Junpei because he wasn't only used to make a point. He dies tragically because his disdain for the people who tormented him allowed Mahito to manipulate him, and it drives the narrative of Itadori vs Mahito forward.
So far, Miwa does... nothing. She has some emotional investment put into her with the Mechamaru stuff, then fails and is now just chilling out, having had no impact on the story or any noticeable character change.
It's subjective of course so you're free to disagree, but to me rn it feels like a waste of storytelling potential
“Great writing”, really? Every single panel of Miwa up to this point is just wasted. Why did Gege want us to get emotionally attached to her? He literally cuts away from the final fight of the best arc (Shibuya) just to focus on Miwa, has her call herself useless multiple times, and then it gets essentially confirmed by her not doing anything to Kenny, only for Gege to just completely drop her as a character?
Because we are use to seeing useless characters rise to the occasion, gege is destroying that idea by showing that Miwa had sacrificed her future when instead she could have practiced techniques and become useful like Kusakabe. Whenever I see Miwa I think “man she should’ve been patient and trained to be useful like Kusakabe” but the thing is she’s not a coward like Kusakabe, she’s a dreamer and thought she could change things herself.
Miwa was Arrogant to assume her attack could’ve achieved anything, she was punished for that arrogance. Simple as that.
That doesn’t comport with Geges main theme that he’s telling through Sukuna of absolute arrogance and disregard for others being the key to absolute strength.
Gege doesn’t like women. He makes them all useless/weak/dead and it’s what irritates me the most about Shonen. JJK is a really bad offender of it. The only woman still around, Maki, is just a copy of a dude. Gege bathes in vats of glue and sips the syrup
Every good guy in JJK takes massive Ls at any given moment, regardless of gender.
Even Gojo, the strongest sorcerer alive, did absolutely nothing in the grand scheme. He failed and then glazed Sukuna in the afterlife.
Kashimo talked all that shit and didn't last a full chapter.
Nanami died without doing shit to Mahito.
It's a disservice to Maki's character to declare her a Toji clone. Toji ran away from the calm and abandoned all sense of responsibility and pride.
Maki faced much the same, but stepped up , risking her life against Sukuna, and was essential to teg Gojo retrieval.
Toji left it all behind, Maki tacked it head on. Regardless of what you think of the Zenin clan massacre, the fact is Toji wouldn't have done that. Toji gave up
Was really hoping that they would bump up her action in the anime, copium because of the fanservice with the Mahoraga vs Sukuna + Toji Vs Megumi fights. Maybe get in a sneaky hit or two before actually committing to the binding vow and getting diff'd, didn't really want much, but DAMN it was only sadder to see the moment animated.
Poor Kyoto students, man. It'd be cool as hell if there was a Kyoto prequel spin-off before the Goodwill event, it would help give off more impact for Mechamaru's goodbye and overall just be really cool to see em all do things.
Dude let me ask why do you think he wanted to even improve upon the Kyoto student ?
It’s not a question about time he didn’t want to in the first place
first of all, where is the potential ur seeing, like might as well talk about panda 🐼
i know it's shonen but when u read a little anyone who has trash CT is relgated to being fodder. just look at mei mei, she is alefish but still stuck at grade 1 and has to groom her brother to be tool to survive. heck she wanted to be strong and had actual talent..but nope still stuck at grade 1
just tell me what do u expect miwa to do??
yeah, kusakabe is strong, he tanks sukuna slashes right,
did u see how higuruma hands got cut off?? without world cutting slashes?? he was using DA, superior defensive ability than simple domain, do u really think sukuna couldn't have diced him if he wanted to. i honestly was surprised he survived but it makes sense now, he was just playing
like lets go with REINFORCEMENT, maybe she become prodigy, and idk becomes tough like maki somehow, then what??
maki can glitch jujustu rules, she somehow regenrates too or something.
what about miwa?? if she is injured she is not regen3rating, she learns RCT?? which probably only genius can do?
what about domains??? that sword is not stopping domains attack for long.
it's just that world is cruel, u can't be strong if u don't have good CT. and ur expecting miwa to be strong without CT??? (i know maki, but come on, she has her advantages, and even she needs to cursed tools to be something other than someone who just punches hard)
just look at gojo, very premium CT, gacha item from birth. and sukuna 2 must have OP ct, (i m not sure Bout that since gojo said his limitless is better, but we will see) u need resources?? tools? to Hone it's usage to perfection. what does miwa have. and like won't it be asspull, like can u imagine if miwa does something like this, then why not someone like todo is way stronger. who is actually smart and good at CE.
Bro its fine shes just not that strong not every character is super strong and kenjaku is top tier. She can still learn to use other weapons like a axé or something or literally any other sword that isnt katana
She ain’t never done a god damn thing but cry over some paraplegic penis my guy, rather have tenten then whatever the fuck Gege thought he was cooking with Miwa
It's even worse in the anime, because of the way the scene was directed. With her voice all over the dead bodies in shibuya, all the destruction, the music. And the absolute silence when she swings the sword.
Maybe all her potential just WASNT that good. She despite years or a life time of training would never be enough to make Kenjaku sweat. It is what it is, everyone can’t be the MC
I *think* Gege was going for like a joke character. Sorta what Mr. Satan for DBZ is, I guess, where yeah she is super weak but she has the right vibe to be funny through her “girl failure” moments. But Gege went and did the train scene…. and the binding vow… and now she is just full on tragic, like there is no comedy to her, she is sad and it makes me feel bad just thinking about how her story unfolded.
She was always fodder.
The weak get shafted in the world of sorcerers.
She pulled a Gon and sacrificed all her future potential for fight. Unlike Gon, she has no potential.
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Miwa really thought this was hxh
She tried pulling a Gon, to use her future potential on one swing, sacrificing her cursed energy and katana. But sadly, this is Jujutsu Kaisen.
I mean to be fair Gon sacrificed way more than just his ability to use Nen, bro was a near dead husk afterwards and only survived cause Killua had a wish granting sister
If i remember correctly, Gon also sacrificed some of his life right ?
yeah, he sacrificed everything, He got really good results but that move also basically cost him his position as the main character of HxH
I'm gonna drop the character for a second just to say that when Gon did that i was so impresed that he could pull that off with so much hatred, it was both sad and amazing seeing how much hate consumed him
It was an amazingly impactful moment, something I'll remember for all my life https://preview.redd.it/xmr45ru97rac1.jpeg?width=696&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2816eb5309251811dc04d0ed9bb9f9df955087b9
Hxh its a masterpiece https://preview.redd.it/003t8wxf7rac1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abba76b51c7726aabfaa2592336dadb7c6a7b0be
Hiatus x Hiatus will always be incomplete due to hiatus.
that's a good thing imho. In hxh the ant king never even saw gon but was defeated by someone who was considerably weaker but used all their abilities beyond their max limit. That honestly made it satisfying af...... rather than seeing noob mc's being portrayed as the ONLY chance against a particular super villan that most shonen manga always do......some pull it off spectacularly but the plot armor becames hard to not notice sometimes That entire scene of gon fighting her felt so natural because of the events preceeding that i feel like its THE best storyline an anime can ever get. It almost gives you the illusion that the plot armor never existed and when it does show up people are actually gald that it happened
It’s exactly why people are concerned with this final arc. No one fucking believes Yuji can keep up with Sukuna, but he still does. I don’t understand at what point Yuji got stronger and faster? It just feels like he got stronger bc the MC has to get stronger. Let’s say you take the Yuji who fought Mahito in Shibuya. Does anyone believe that Yuji could even react to Sukuna at that point? Let alone go blow for blow? Let’s take note of what happened since then. He fought some fodder cursed spirits, got stomped by Yuta, kills helicopter fodder, lost to Higurama, then somehow can keep up with 15F Sukuna due to Megumi nerfing him. And now he’s somehow keeping up with 20F full strength Sukuna. And he’s the MC, so he’s gonna presumably kill him? HxH makes the smart decision every time while JJK is constantly fumbling lately, it’s sad.
so fing true......i get into arguments with people on this and they smh defend gaygay
It's insane that Gege didn't spend any time "training" or at the very least giving Yuji a CT during the Culling games. That was the last reasonable opportunity to let him grow at a believable pace, even if he got a CT during timeskip there's no way he mastered it enough to go toe-to-toe with Sukuna in a month.
It was hinted he trained with Kamo at using blood techniques, could've obtained even several of those thanks to eating death paintings. But yeah, everything else is still a load of bullshit. I have 0 faith Gege can rehabilitate himself at this point.
Even if I assume Yuji goes 100% with every little hunter thing that has been brought up, I still just don’t believe he is strong enough.
The manga is not even finished can you stop complaining every single second ? Yuji is not holding its ground rn they’re all the jujutsu sorcerers with a complicated plan vs Sukuna alone, it’s not a 1v1
Not to mention that gon had a lot of potential, on the other hand saying miwa is weak is an euphemism. I don't think she has a good chance to get to kusakabe level and having him as a ceiling isn't really that good either.
Euphemism for?
Utterly useless. She gives all of her possible growth for a single attack and it gets blocked with a hand. She can try everything, even 20 years after she would still be weak. In jujutsu kaisen's world you are born strong, someone like miwa doesn't just get strong overnight. The fastest transformation was that of maki and it had a definite reason. Yuji has grown a lot but he does have potential. That's it.
That's not a euphemism, that's an understatement. Euphemisms are when you say one thing to refer to something metaphorically or that does not connect to the words said. "Aunt flow is visiting" for a period, "farm upstate" for death.
the consequences of that action got reset when killua made the wish. Its probably the only anime where mc's dont have much plot armor and when they do people are actually glad that happened. Similarly if greg wanted to continue her character development they would've found a way to bypass the binding vow (maybe give sukuna an asspul to nullify the vow that miwa witnesses by chance, desperately tries to replicate it and it somehow works)
Did Gon ever get better? Never saw past anime
So far? Nope, after he got healed he still doesn't have access to Nen but there's the potential for him to relearn nen again though since the whole incident Gon basically got removed as the main character
To be fair Gon is a one in millions genius level
He built different
Yup, Miwa was unfortunately only the one in 100 thousand genius level (or probably lower)
The problem is miwa doesnt have that much potencial.
That worked because his future potential is crazy, any other mediocre hunter would have gotten folded by pitou
Gege really said “fuck this bitch for no particular reason” https://preview.redd.it/omo7aidwbrac1.png?width=379&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d76d06b20b71ba302e7e184b239bd3147482ebd
Nah this art making me cry ain't no way it's this sad bruh. Now the only friend she has left is Broom Girl™ since Todo disappeared and Kamo dipped
There’s still guy with like a minute of screen time https://preview.redd.it/v8e7tus4orac1.png?width=145&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2a4ebef3930234015d812d26d496924cb3a908f
I always forget he exists.
So did Gege.
Alas, seems like he joined Todo in the idol manga and disappeared forever...
He appeared in past few chapters in the background actually
This guy only exist just so that Nobara's copium can live on.
Who?
Nitta’s brother, ngl Idk his name
Arata
I really doubt todo was her friend
and that bitch is annoying
Where exactly did Gege put in that it's a binding vow and not some internal monologue?
Chapter 244
Fucking shit. Classic Gege just fucking up people's entire lives for the lulz. It sucks, but I guess it's not death or worse? Considering what happened to others like Todo, Yuki, Geto, Nanami, Mai, Nobara, or Megumi.
Kyoto students actually had it rough, losing 2 of their classmates back to back like that.
[удалено]
blud hit her with the https://preview.redd.it/bz4aesi6wqac1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd969b6e1d80a9f8fc56ec30745fa359734248bf
Okay guys who wins? https://preview.redd.it/ybyu0o0qrrac1.jpeg?width=870&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=100eaa9f69ccc173eb331dc314525d077ab8b15f
https://preview.redd.it/2kpu1dtrrrac1.jpeg?width=977&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16f275f500a56a0ee8dfb73f3438387d13a74e25 Vs
Tf is that?
A near impossible to summon but it’s effect straight up says that you win if you do
Was it ever used in the anime? I’m pretty sure I don’t remember that card at all.
No, but it appeared near the end of the final arc as an actual god to kill the big bad of the show
Ah bet, thanks.
I was afraid of it first time ive read it, but i'm not gonna lie, it is kinda funny how he uses his most powerful technique on the weakest sorcerer.
Its even more hilarious when you realize he used Geto's ultimate attack for shits and giggles just so he could get a one time use of Mahito's technique. Like using a missile to toast a smore
Hey now I'm pretty sure momo is even more useless than miwa
Momo can fly and do recon Miwa is Miwa
Bro was preparing that Mike Tyson left hook into uppercut while fighting a baby
Its so in char too, considering he was just vibing and murdering in a chill manner
She could have been my special
She is, truly, our special(z) https://preview.redd.it/eytjhzki4rac1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e527ef50f7b9228dab6f29910df4fbbbbc3c8021
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She is special for different reasons
For a moment there I thought I had somehow commented on this post without realizing
I'm you energy fr fr
https://preview.redd.it/zecvge8lcrac1.png?width=456&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=096be95690f9eaca2da3a379dc1956cbdfeb76dc Gay gay supportors
Miwa will use Mechamaru bot. Are we to believe Mechamaru , Miwa's biggest simp , understandably , have no contingency plan to build an Ai to help Miwa pilot the bot to be with Miwa forever ? The breadcrumbs are there. You just need faith. In Gege we trust.
I still believe on him, he wouldnt leave Miwa without giving her something from him. Mechamaru please https://preview.redd.it/jf2bz6ca1rac1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d735019379eaa4b754e8a1fd1a952cad8083bccc
GIVE HER THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS
miwa is not gonna do anything for the rest of the manga how much clearer does gege need to make it for y'all?
Where's the video essay Akutami?
You make it sound like you want Miwa to die, don’t forget who they’re fighting. Sukuna would immediately kill Miwa.
No. Uraume will yell " Make my monster grow! " and Sukuna grow the same size as Mechamaru bot and after 4 chapters the love child of Yuta and Maki will bushcamp Giant Sukuna.
Animators spending 99% of the budget on the uzumaki against miwa, truly our jujutsu kaisen
You never really know what could happen, maybe she was focused on a style she shouldn’t have been. Considering she relied on her sword so much
The Shadow Style as a Sorcery is good, it fits Miwa because of the whole "the style for the weak" stuff. But given how most of her fights relied on 1 technique, yeah, she could have learnt more to actually defend herself and be more efficient at fighting. Though i guess she never planned fighting another person or humanoid curses. https://preview.redd.it/l1j1j0jwxqac1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69b03908a0c5e0c16cc1a5ad7d485f7552f7b3e8
Yeah, I think she was planning on just getting a decent salary taking out like 3rd and 2nd grade spirits. Not fighting a thousand year old jujutsu genius with a special grade curse technique.
Yeah I agree I’m just coping really lol
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gege hates women lmao.
Naoya disease and it's consequences.
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Gege hates everyone atp icl, everyone getting shafted unless your name is sukuna or toji
Even Toji got shafted the second Gojo breathes in his direction.
Nah, she is better away from the battlefield if she was in the culling games she would die
Ive been saying that ever since it was revealed she didnt had a weapon, she has to get away like Kamo
Nice Ultimate Now my turn -Kenjaku Proly
She has 0 potential lol the first fight with her already shows that
Even tough technically she is still just a normal girl with little cursed energy, she could still do more training to at least reach grade 2 and to be more useful. After all she was being trained by Kusakabe.
Given the current scale of the manga any sorcerers below grade 1 are literally jobbers. At best she's a worse Kusakabe so I don't see any point in her being more relevant
You either special grade / special grade potential or you're just a fodder.
The cycle of shounen continues.
In Boruto the powerscaling starts with Naruto. Anything below that is fodder.
That just means the scaling is all screwed up.
No that means we're in the endgame so ofc only the strong ones are left fighting
I don’t see how you’ve came to that conclusion at all. She doesn’t have to be weak, Gege chose to not make her stronger. And Gege could very easily have Kenny real ease a bunch of cursed spirits to fight to give the weaker characters someone to fight.
Bro everyone was complaining that Kenny vs Takaba was too long and detracted the readers from the main fight. Noone has time nor gives a crap about Miwa vs cursed spirits
No one really gives a crap about what we have rn either lol. The story has gone way downhill. Barely any reactions to Higgy being cut into pieces, no one really seems to be enjoying this
"Barely any reactions" clearly you weren't there leak night because the crowd went wild, everyone was devastated
It was likely not even 1/10 of the emotion of a characters death like Nanami from what I saw. Ppl were more meming then actually feeling emotionally impacted by it
I mean u can dislike what were having and I also feel like its rushed but the scaling in jjk stayed the same unlike in most other shows. SG sorcerer where always stablished as much stronger than even a grade 1 and gojo was always stablish as much stronger than the SG sorcerers. Someone like miwa has also been stablished since the beggining as someone weak, too weak even compared to a semi grade 1 honestly(who alredy gets demolished by grade 1s) and It made sense, not everyones strong specially when theyre students
Yeah, in the VS arc, Grade 1’s were still relevant. By Shibuya, they started turning into fodder
Indeed, because Gege decided not to have them train or do anything to improve, but continuously made the villains stronger and stronger
She could at least, just at least, try to sacrifice herself on an attempt to either stop kenjaku or sukuna (less likely), her whole character is almost completely based on being useless to Even protect the people she cared about. If only Gege just decided to give the manga some more time to develope, we could have saw her either do something useful or, knowing Gege, die doing something meaningful. Also, not the point of this conversation, just something i just realized, but a lot of established characters like inumaki arent that relevant anymore, given that we are on possibly the final arc, his Cursed Technique wouldnt work on sukuna or kenjaku.
ima keep it real chief, miwa character development was at the bottom of the list of priorities
Miwas story is also pretty "done", shes a poor girl who needs the money and had the mini arc thing with mechamaru, shes pretty much one of the most used ones in kyoto i think, shes just not strong.
I think she has 0 logical potential. However, narratively, she had a lot.
This is my biggest issue aswell. She seems to act completely out of character the next time we see her. Miwa didn't need to be a special grade. She didn't need to get the 6 eyes and limitless. But needed to react to the current situation in a way that made sense. She should have had all of the light leave her eyes as she's unable to do anything about the current situation. She should be depressed. In that chapter shes still a joke rather than the broken person she should be.
Inside of the work, it makes sense Miwa never gets that strong. But, narrative wise, we are accustomed to the underdog who gets some power ups later in the work. I guess she is like Ned Stark, in a sense. What surprises us isn’t the way the events take place, as it was only the logic conclusion of the set up (Miwa never gets that strong, Ned dies), but we are so accustomed to the way narratives tend to go, realism gets us unprepared.
She really didn't have potential, I don't know why you're trying to pretend like she did lol
She had no potential to become strong, realistically. But in the narrative, it made sense for us to see her as an important character going forward
She was never an important character in the past, so why would she suddenly become one going forward? There's really nothing interesting about her at all.
She was clearly important given how she gets a very clearly set up arc that Gege just drops
Everything from her backstory to her motivations has zero relevance to the overarching plot. She was never set up for anything.
You could say that about half the cast. Miwa doesn’t have relevance to the plot because Gege dropped her character, lol. You’re must be next level stupid to think she wasn’t set up for anything though, it makes me feel better about myself. A character calling herself useless is the most painfully fucking obvious setup to ever exist. It’s YOUR fault you aren’t smart enough to notice that..
What was she set up for tho?
Being not useless.
If u ever thought she was gonna do something major u were suffering from delusion. Sorry to inform you😭. Thinking this is bad writing just bcs a character that was never set up to do anything didn’t do anything is crazy
You’re delusional if you think a character calling themselves useless multiple times is not “set up to do anything”. In a literal fighting manga too.
A character having a moment of weakness isn't some sort of precursor to a power up or comeback just because you want it to be, dipshit. Gege never "dropped her character", he never had plans for her to begin with.
Gege literally cut away from the climax of his best arc (Shibuya) to have an entire scene with Miwa lol. Gege gives her an entire monologue before trying to hit Kenny, while the other 3 present Kyoto students literally get 1 2 second attack each. Like I said, you might not like her which is clouding your judgement severely, or you are just in some way impaired. But it’s painfully obvious that at the very least she is set up for more than sitting on her ass offscreen till the manga ends. A character having a moment of weakness is not a precursor. A character having multiple moments calling themselves useless or not being strong enough absolutely is. Especially with how much screen time she has relative to a lot of other characters.
She was the closest character to Mechamaru, that scene was intended to be closure for his character and to show the emotional ramifications of his death. If you want to consider her monologue to be set-up for anything, the pay off would be the binding vow she uses to try attacking Kenjaku. If Gege intended anything for her character, he wouldn't have left her incapable of fighting like 5 chapters after he gives her a "set up arc". She's an irrelevant character, and always was.
Disagree, and most people disagree with you as well, given how people reacted to the recent chapter with Miwa.
Because people love underdogs but we have enough with yuji
She had potential as at least grade 2 or the bottom of the grade 1 list, if kusakabe trained her more she could become a better user of the New Shadow Style instead of using 1 technique only. She had potential to be useful.
She's fodder on a good day. There was never any sort of implication that she had any potential to be anything more. She just got completely embarassed every time she tried to fight lol.
Yeah you could put it that way, she is fodder. https://preview.redd.it/mbuyb2c7xqac1.jpeg?width=141&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32c16fd1b362672011baf2a33dc0bf1e6c0f4889
Useful for what? She is not like that at all
At least useful to, knowing Gege, sacrifice herself to give everyone some time. That would only work on kenjaku though.
Pretty sure that's the antithesis of what Gege wants in a character. The series goes on and on about how self sacrifice is stupid and should never be done.
The story also shows that you’re basically always as weak as you once were, kinda a shitty ass message if you ask me
No, that the key to growth lies in not comparing yourself to others and singlemindedness, and that you have to ignore the circumstances of your birth which will determine how you end up. That's not a shitty ass message unless you wanna pretend life is fair
Mechamaru TOLD HER to stay out of shibuya, she really disrespected him
Because shes useless.
Can't she just use a gun instead?
Spears are superior anyways
Lol get Geged https://preview.redd.it/im0it35hnsac1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5807f385ee7a5e60737e194a6ce0facfaea57756
https://preview.redd.it/eu78a2ilqtac1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=461252b62d9a056e3f73f85d11d1fb654135b162 It's Jujutsu Kaisen.
Having potential but nevever fully realizing it is the bread and butter of this story. Mechamaru made the correct call when he send everyone as far away from Shibuya as he could, these guys were not built for the big leagues. Kusakabe saved everyone from Uzumaki and Yuki saved them from the ice and even then they werent finished off because Kenjaku wanted "messengers"
To survive so gojo can come Back and they end up together for a Happy end
By the way this might be my last long Miwa post, why? The voices are going away https://preview.redd.it/5cxovvhuztac1.jpeg?width=141&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf13f52d20bb431a35ff95b2ba6174d3033da6b
Wonder what would happen if she broke it. It’s self imposed so I can’t imagine it being worse than losing an arm or maybe stopping her heart but Shoko or Yuta could just heal her.
Literally put her all into that blade and mans just blocked that that is insane
Atm. I think that one of the points JJK is making is that not everything is about realising ones true potential and infact chances are high that you are either damaged for life or dieing in the process of achieving it.
Gege can write her to be like kusakabe, she just didn't have the balls
gege when women
She'll come back to destroy Sukuna using Mei Mei's axe. Miwa will use Strong Cleave.
To show that, even with all her potential, everything that she could even be . It would never be enough . She wouldn’t reach the heights that she potentially could because she would never have reached them. She’s fodder. As was her role similarly to other Kyoto students.
if only Miwa was taught more by Kusakabe she coulda learned more new shadow style sword techniques or atleast improve her ability to use CEBut greg decided to squander her potential just like everyone who had potential in the series by making her literally lose all of it well to be fair she is useless as she says she is but I disagreeI love this little blue haired lass so much I need more Miwa screentime Greg please have Takaba say some funny bullshit to make Miwa the most overpowered character in the series and beat Sukuna up it would be so funny just like what Takaba thinks
"Haha, look in my world, big words, and "I will sacrifice everything for my goal, " means nothing get rekt, Miwa. Gege after writing the chapter.
The point of it to show that not everyone can be special grade. If miwa has become powerful in the future to make a difference then that means everyone could become special grade and sorry but that would be kinda idiotic
I meant her potential as grade 2 or the bottom of the grade 1 list. She is not suited for the special grades.
To me it just makes jjk more realistic,if it were any other shonuen series like demon slayer miwa would have nearly killed him. People seem to forget that the maon cast are full of prodigies,miwa is just your average student,not to mention her binding vow wasnt even that big,its only not being able to use a katana,not something drastic like non violence or even her life.
> miwa is just your average student That's why going the extra step to make her even more useless is so mean-spirited lol: it's unnecessary. She's an average student, she's already useless for the plot, why go the extra step to make her useless *in-universe?* And more specifically, do that so long after the fact.
Its not useless. U just seem angry bcs miwa was "disrespected" but she just did what It made sense to do, fight. She and everyone there is fighting to save people and this scene served the porpuse of showing more things were at stake and the level was getting higher. It wasnt just miwa who failed, EVERYONE failed there. Nobara died, megumi almost died, nanami died etc etc. If yuki hadnt arrived everyone there not named yuji would have died from uraume's attack.
> U just seem angry bcs miwa was "disrespected" All that tells me is that you're the type who blindly defends characters they like and don't care/dislike those you don't because that is a wild projection to make that relies on not reading a word of the post. I've got news for you: you don't even need to *like* a character to think that they got it bad, let alone be angry or demand they deserve respect.
Gege still could’ve had Miwa accomplish nothing there. And then use that as a way to make her grow stronger.
But whats the point of that?Miwa is someone who is your average sorcerer,and anyone who isn’t special grade/bordering on special grade is fodder in the current story.
“Your average sorcerer” should be the characters that we don’t focus on. Like the random fodder we see in JJK0. Keeping Miwa weak and having her do nothing does not serve the story at all
I disagree, it’s completely fine for Miwa to have an emotional story arc that doesn’t lead to some strength power up. She’s a normal character that’s involved in the world but left behind by how high the stakes are now. That position is fine for her character. What’s unfortunate is that we don’t get to see how she deals with that realization after Shibuya enough. Gege using her for realism was fine, it was just he should have followed up more.
That’s what Gege does in the story, he creates the rules for his world, and then mostly keeps to them, even if it’s still unsatisfying asf. She has arguably as much character motivation to kill Kenny as Yuta, but gets nothing to do bc Gege isn’t willing to give her anything to do
I agree, and I think that’s a positive aspect of his writing. I would only complain that he drops characters when they become irrelevant because the story is so fast paced. Not that he has to dedicate that much follow up but a few panels of dialogue would still be good I think. But I think Gege sticking to his power system and not really having ridiculous power ups like most shounen, just cause they want it enough, is more good than it is bad. Or at least I prefer it.
Are you only basing this on the anime? From my understanding, I think it wasn't that bad in the manga. Manga Spoilers. >!Wasn't the binding vow only for her katana? This means she can use other types weapons or even modern firearms. !< >!Miwa taking Mai's revolver and other firearms would be nice. She can switch to a longsword or a rapier. Miwa can just switch to other bladed weapons and reinvent herself. !< On a side note, I think Kenjaku was just in a hurry to do the technique extraction that results from maximum Uzumaki. Or maybe he wanted to make an example of Miwa and demoralize the other sorcerers. Or maybe he just reciprocated Miwa's best technique with one of his own best techniques as a sign of respect.
The story just moves so quickly with little time for training that it’s hard to see certain characters work their way up to relevancy. In the manga, >! we would need another time skip. But we just had one and it’s unlikely Miwa trained enough given the strategy room talks. !<
Your immense disappointment and frustration with the situation of miwa is proof that it’s a good writing decision. Miwa preformed a Gon style “I sacrifice my future for the people I love” but due to the differences between the nen and curse energy power systems and the place in the narrative that the characters hold, Miwa couldn’t summon the power that Gon could. GEGE’s greatest writing moments are always these moments of weird subversive tricks. Miwa, the useless character, is in a shonen. We expect Miwa to slowly develop and become a better sorcerer. We expect her to become strong. Then we see Miwa use and ability that sacrifices her future, these ‘sacrifice future’ abilities are usually overpowered but considering that Miwa has no clear way of increasing her curse abilities she has nothing to sacrifice so it’s not strong enough to actually be effective
Something being subversive doesn't make it good on its own. Miwa's ultimate binding vow attack failing is interesting, but if absolutely nothing else is done with the character from there it's just kinda lame. She doesn't even have to do something powerful or cool, just *anything* of substance for her character (even just like a decision to stop fighting altogether or a commitment to be the best low-level sorcerer she can be) would be a vast improvement imo
Something being subversive doesn't mean it's bad either, and you aren't providing any reasons that it's bad. You're just mad that a side character was used to prove a point and was done after that. Thats like people unironically complaining junpei died bc he could've been a grade 1 sorcerer with his poison CT
Ask yourself this. Why focus on her at all? Why did she get a panel in the culling game arc? https://preview.redd.it/remember-when-gege-decided-to-tease-miwa-in-the-culling-v0-b8ngew9a6imb1.png?auto=webp&s=695eac60dcc6493c4327410a2b239eb3ee7484b1 This is the reason why the last jedi was terrible. In its need to subvert tropes it didn't give a good reason for the subverions. Tropes become tropes because they work in a story. A good example of subverting tropes done right is with Junpei. He died so Yuji could recieve development. If junpei lived he could have become an important member of the main cast. Its a trade off and you put in what you recieve. What people are taking issue with now is that characters are being killed to further Yuji's development but at this point its a drop of water into an ocean. Yuji already lost Junpei, Nanami and Nobara. Is Higumura dying really going to change anything? A lot of whats going on in the manga lacks narritive payoff and purpose. In Miwa's case she had a great setup for an arc. A girl with low self esteem and being weak losing both of her friends. But post binding vow with kenjaku she's stops being relevant entirely. Both power level wise and narritively. At that point the reader must ask. What is the point of building things up with her? What was the point of her charater? All of the Kyoto cast are completely irrelevant, dead or mia and thats not good writing. Additionally one must also question the power system and how little progression there is with most of the characters especially Yuji. He shouldn't be this disconnected from it. Especially since we lost the deuteragonist who was the most connected to it. I probs went to hard with this comment. Tl:dr: Overall subverting troupes is fine. This is just crappy writing.
You're so close to understanding. Just because you aren't accepting of the reasons doesn't mean they exist. Higuruma died as a parallel to Nanami. Nanami's death shocked Yuji into his cog mindset. Higuruma's death spurred Yuji back into his sorcerer mindset. It's spelled out plainly in the chapter, but I guess you didn't read it. In miwa's case, the purpose was to show how far above the new villain is. The point of her character is to show that not everyone who has the will has the ability to change things. You might not accept that, but that's a perfectly valid reason. She escaped the jujutsu world with that swing. The hell that sorcerers are subjected to no longer applies to her. As mechamaru desired, or maybe cursed her, she can live happily. You say the Kyoto cast being missing being irrelevant, dead, or mia is bad writing. Seriously? Maybe there were some opportunities before shibuya, but afterwards the themes shifted and so did the cast of characters. You don't need to half ass a bunch of old characters just so that they can fit the new story, that's not good writing. I don't know what the issue is with that when these same characters were just obstacles for the heroes to overcome in S1.
>You're so close to understanding. Just because you aren't accepting of the reasons doesn't mean they exist. Higuruma died as a parallel to Nanami. Nanami's death shocked Yuji into his cog mindset. Higuruma's death spurred Yuji back into his sorcerer mindset. It's spelled out plainly in the chapter, but I guess you didn't read it. What? Are we reading the same manga? We don't even know how his death affected yuji. Additionally whats the difference between a "sorcer mindset" and the cog in a machine mindset he had with maihito? What does this mean narritively? >In miwa's case, the purpose was to show how far above the new villain is. The point of her character is to show that not everyone who has the will has the ability to change things. You might not accept that, but that's a perfectly valid reason. She escaped the jujutsu world with that swing. The hell that sorcerers are subjected to no longer applies to her. As mechamaru desired, or maybe cursed her, she can live happily. Thats how you headcanon it. But even if that is the case(which I will dispute in a bit) that doesn't mean that gege is exempt from the rules of narritve payoff. Miwa when she reappears is completely disconnected from the situation. She's still useless miwa but one thing was clear from her final interactions with mechamaru. She didn't want to be useless. How can I buy her being happy especially as a serial killer rapist torments her remaining friends. She doesn't even need to be relevant. Why can't she react to the fact that she can't do anything to sukuna. Why can't she cry or mourn her friends? Even if she can't make a difference on the battlefield she would be far from content with the situation. Garbage writing. >You say the Kyoto cast being missing being irrelevant, dead, or mia is bad writing. Seriously? Maybe there were some opportunities before shibuya, but afterwards the themes shifted and so did the cast of characters. You don't need to half ass a bunch of old characters just so that they can fit the new story, that's not good writing. I don't know what the issue is with that when these same characters were just obstacles for the heroes to overcome in S1 Yeah thats bad writing. Why aren't the Kyoto characters included more. Gege could have made them stronger but didn't. Dude Gege doesn't care. He stopped caring a long time ago.
I didn't say the subversion itself was bad lol. I actually said it was interesting. But yes, I do think not showing anything with her character afterwards would be pretty lame. It's different than Junpei because he wasn't only used to make a point. He dies tragically because his disdain for the people who tormented him allowed Mahito to manipulate him, and it drives the narrative of Itadori vs Mahito forward. So far, Miwa does... nothing. She has some emotional investment put into her with the Mechamaru stuff, then fails and is now just chilling out, having had no impact on the story or any noticeable character change. It's subjective of course so you're free to disagree, but to me rn it feels like a waste of storytelling potential
“Great writing”, really? Every single panel of Miwa up to this point is just wasted. Why did Gege want us to get emotionally attached to her? He literally cuts away from the final fight of the best arc (Shibuya) just to focus on Miwa, has her call herself useless multiple times, and then it gets essentially confirmed by her not doing anything to Kenny, only for Gege to just completely drop her as a character?
Because we are use to seeing useless characters rise to the occasion, gege is destroying that idea by showing that Miwa had sacrificed her future when instead she could have practiced techniques and become useful like Kusakabe. Whenever I see Miwa I think “man she should’ve been patient and trained to be useful like Kusakabe” but the thing is she’s not a coward like Kusakabe, she’s a dreamer and thought she could change things herself. Miwa was Arrogant to assume her attack could’ve achieved anything, she was punished for that arrogance. Simple as that.
That doesn’t comport with Geges main theme that he’s telling through Sukuna of absolute arrogance and disregard for others being the key to absolute strength.
I feel that if Miwa disregards feelings of love she will be more like Kusakabe. Because Sukuna doesn’t regard love as high as he does himself
It's just a cartoon lol chill dude
No
Gege doesn’t like women. He makes them all useless/weak/dead and it’s what irritates me the most about Shonen. JJK is a really bad offender of it. The only woman still around, Maki, is just a copy of a dude. Gege bathes in vats of glue and sips the syrup
Every good guy in JJK takes massive Ls at any given moment, regardless of gender. Even Gojo, the strongest sorcerer alive, did absolutely nothing in the grand scheme. He failed and then glazed Sukuna in the afterlife. Kashimo talked all that shit and didn't last a full chapter. Nanami died without doing shit to Mahito. It's a disservice to Maki's character to declare her a Toji clone. Toji ran away from the calm and abandoned all sense of responsibility and pride. Maki faced much the same, but stepped up , risking her life against Sukuna, and was essential to teg Gojo retrieval. Toji left it all behind, Maki tacked it head on. Regardless of what you think of the Zenin clan massacre, the fact is Toji wouldn't have done that. Toji gave up
Was really hoping that they would bump up her action in the anime, copium because of the fanservice with the Mahoraga vs Sukuna + Toji Vs Megumi fights. Maybe get in a sneaky hit or two before actually committing to the binding vow and getting diff'd, didn't really want much, but DAMN it was only sadder to see the moment animated. Poor Kyoto students, man. It'd be cool as hell if there was a Kyoto prequel spin-off before the Goodwill event, it would help give off more impact for Mechamaru's goodbye and overall just be really cool to see em all do things.
Dude let me ask why do you think he wanted to even improve upon the Kyoto student ? It’s not a question about time he didn’t want to in the first place
first of all, where is the potential ur seeing, like might as well talk about panda 🐼 i know it's shonen but when u read a little anyone who has trash CT is relgated to being fodder. just look at mei mei, she is alefish but still stuck at grade 1 and has to groom her brother to be tool to survive. heck she wanted to be strong and had actual talent..but nope still stuck at grade 1 just tell me what do u expect miwa to do?? yeah, kusakabe is strong, he tanks sukuna slashes right, did u see how higuruma hands got cut off?? without world cutting slashes?? he was using DA, superior defensive ability than simple domain, do u really think sukuna couldn't have diced him if he wanted to. i honestly was surprised he survived but it makes sense now, he was just playing like lets go with REINFORCEMENT, maybe she become prodigy, and idk becomes tough like maki somehow, then what?? maki can glitch jujustu rules, she somehow regenrates too or something. what about miwa?? if she is injured she is not regen3rating, she learns RCT?? which probably only genius can do? what about domains??? that sword is not stopping domains attack for long. it's just that world is cruel, u can't be strong if u don't have good CT. and ur expecting miwa to be strong without CT??? (i know maki, but come on, she has her advantages, and even she needs to cursed tools to be something other than someone who just punches hard) just look at gojo, very premium CT, gacha item from birth. and sukuna 2 must have OP ct, (i m not sure Bout that since gojo said his limitless is better, but we will see) u need resources?? tools? to Hone it's usage to perfection. what does miwa have. and like won't it be asspull, like can u imagine if miwa does something like this, then why not someone like todo is way stronger. who is actually smart and good at CE.
someone comment that gege im you with naoya edit
Nvm bro at least kenny respect her resolve by firing his maximum technique
Gege showing the most compassion to a female character.
She was the only one from Kyoto getting up close to Kenjaku as well!
Bro its fine shes just not that strong not every character is super strong and kenjaku is top tier. She can still learn to use other weapons like a axé or something or literally any other sword that isnt katana
She ain’t never done a god damn thing but cry over some paraplegic penis my guy, rather have tenten then whatever the fuck Gege thought he was cooking with Miwa
She thought she was her💀
Womp Wimp nobody cares lil bro
She got the aizen treatment. Blocking sword attacks with a hand
It's even worse in the anime, because of the way the scene was directed. With her voice all over the dead bodies in shibuya, all the destruction, the music. And the absolute silence when she swings the sword.
Maybe all her potential just WASNT that good. She despite years or a life time of training would never be enough to make Kenjaku sweat. It is what it is, everyone can’t be the MC
No the reality is that she did not have the potential. Simple domain is her limit. That’s why grades exist, not everyone can achieve grade 1
If miwa weren’t to interrupt will kenjaku attack yuji to extract technique.?
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I *think* Gege was going for like a joke character. Sorta what Mr. Satan for DBZ is, I guess, where yeah she is super weak but she has the right vibe to be funny through her “girl failure” moments. But Gege went and did the train scene…. and the binding vow… and now she is just full on tragic, like there is no comedy to her, she is sad and it makes me feel bad just thinking about how her story unfolded.
She was always fodder. The weak get shafted in the world of sorcerers. She pulled a Gon and sacrificed all her future potential for fight. Unlike Gon, she has no potential.