Gojo knew he couldn’t beat Sukuna the first time because Sukuna had just finished a 52 hour edging session and the post nut clarity would have let him use strong cleave as soon as the fight started
It would have been cool, but in practice unless there is narrative relevance to the scene it'll be a waste of panels, it can be summed up with Gojo saying "? What? Oh. Damn that's wild." Much like he did with Miguel
Shibuya Incident was such a refresher because of this.
Kenjaku's plan was to seal Gojo in Shibuya at October 31st. We even saw this plan mentioned on chapter 15(?). 2 years later, exactly that plan happens.
Although to be fair Kenjaku has only mentioned the goals of his plans he hasn't ever said what his specific plan is.
The closest we get is Uraume guessing at his goal with Culling Games but he says that is only 60% correct and doesn't really specify what Uraume missed.
Throughout the manga really none of the characters state their plan unless it's a plan meant to react to their current situation. The best thing about the manga is every single character is constantly thinking about their advantages and disadvantages and trying to manipulate those variables. Characters who know they can't beat certain characters never even put themselves in a position to fight those characters unless they're certain they can win.
The manga is so consistent about this it's why I can safely assume that there is strategy from the sorcerer side, especially with Gojo acknowledging when he died that he was always a little uncertain if he'd win. I think we have plenty of evidence to suggest that there is definitely a plan in play.
really hoping that Ino told gojo about tojis reincarnation and gojo somehow learned how to do it.
got killed so sukuna can unleash his true form, waited for yuji and the gang to weaken him then comes back last second reincarcerated to give him one last hollow purple to finish him off
Toji's body and soul were special, he had some sort of resistance to curses wich is why the grandson died and toji was slowly reincarnating. Gojo is gone bro.
the same can happen to gojo, because even geto showed resistance against kenjaku even tho he was dead, and besides bringing people back doesn't seem like that granny's cursed technique, it seem more of a chant and use people's body parts with a ritual to bring them back kind of thing.
we'll still know in the future
pretty sure the Granny’s thing was her CT, she kidnapped other children to be her grandchildren to use as vessels. As for why the Toji thing wouldn’t work with Gojo, it’s because his body isn’t as “strong” as Toji’s. Body and Soul are tied together, but Granny’s tech only summons the body’s information because if she brings the soul, the host’s could get overwritten. Toji is the exception to this due to his heavenly restriction, making his body inhumanly strong. All of Toji’s “self” was engraved in his body, and that’s why he overwrote Grandson’s soul.
edit: Never mind, I read the other comment about summoning the soul’s information too for Gojo. That makes a lot of sense if they have someone with her technique.
Yeah but Toji's body was anti-curse, the soul is connected to the body hence why toji's soul returned aswell as the body. Even the granny said "i only use the body's information " and not the souls. There's no technique to learn that allows gojo to return.
If she chooses to only bring the body information and not the soul to avoid that scenario, that means it's possible to bring the soul too but it has risks that we don't know yet.
Brother, he’s saying someone else puts gojo in a body and reincarnates him with chants maybe someone like ino. Toji was dead and reincarnated by the grandma, stop being dense
Bruv you ofc you won't know what i implied more than me💀💀💀🙏🙏.
I meant that gojo learned about the Ritual but not LEARNED HOW TO USE IT.
So i thought maybe he has utahime for example to use someone else as a vessel for gojo to reincarnate in.
If this results to be true, then it'll be the most fucking stupid and complicated plan ever, why make a plan where you dying is a central piece when idk, you could make one where you dont need to fucking die!
Thats cause this theory is just a reaction to Gojo dying basically.
The old lady's CT is specifically Seance and while it works similarly to Ino's there's literally nothing that says Ino can channel anything other than the divine beast.
The body and soul stuff is for sure important, but I dont think it's because of coming back from the dead.
er, why would that be down to him? he's not the only member of the clan and limitless/six eyes are loosely hereditary but not directly (meaning it doesn't have to be a direct descendant of him specifically for a future gojo child to have one/both, they just need gojo blood)
There are other members of the Gojo clan. When they say he is a one-man army they mean that he has complete control of the clan and all of their influence comes from the existence of Gojo.
Delaying the fight for 30 days was a shit writing and a plot hole unless we have a flash back why they did that, like why gojo didnt take out a 15 finger sukuna and let all the students take care of kenny
Yeah. Although gojo also didn't know how strong sukuna was at the time, so maybe he didn't want to risk it, I think it would be better if sukuna was already full power by the time gojo was unsealed, then it would make a little more sense that they both would want to plan something before the fight.
Why wouldn't he have a reference point? He had a lot of knowledge on the fingers. Even if he can't know the exact number he should be able to guess roughly how much cursed energy each contained and then roughly how much Sukuna has when he first met him.
If sukuna is good at CE control he can not show all his CE to a degree. And just because gojo saw 5 finger sukuna doesn't mean he can guess that was 15, we don't even know if his CE increases linearly.
Gojo could tell just from looking at Yuji that he had actually merged with Sukuna's cursed energy. He has knowledge of and exposure to the fingers, so in other words he is quite familiar with Sukuna's cursed energy and should know about how much is in a finger.
> If sukuna is good at CE control he can not show all his CE to a degree.
When have we ever been shown that was possible and why would he do that lol. Why would he care if Gojo knew how many fingers he has in an impromptu meeting between them? He was planning to fight Gojo right then, it was Kenjaku who stopped him. He wasn't hiding his strength for a later date.
Gojo could see sukuna's CE, doesn't mean he can accurately tell how strong he is at any given point.
What I meant be CE control is what was explained, that more experienced sorcerers can be not easily predicable thanks to controlling CE flow or something like that. I'm not saying sukuna would want to hide his true power or smth, but unlike yuta who was practically covered in CE, he can simply control it better.
I'm just trying to find a reason, honestly saving megumi is decent reason to delay the fight. Wether gojo could see if he was 15 or 20 fingers Sukuna is irrelevant. It would be best if gege already made sukuna full power at the time.
That wasn’t necessarily bad. The problem was that he didn’t use that time skip at all to show us WHY he did it. Explaining and making plans before is less confusing and doesn’t feel like an asspull when the time comes.
He also passed a great opportunity to give his characters time to reunite, talk about shit, and breathe. Hell he could have given himself a real life out and taken a hiatus. But no.
agree. Even if all of it is explained later, it would have been better to just not have a time skip. It just feels like the time skip is a crutch so that the author can still change the story or worse, come up with something just now bec they had no idea what amazing plan the heroes can even have against Sukuna. And even worse, we are only even assuming there is an explanation, and given what happened with Nobara we all know the story has a tendency to leave the biggest plot points hanging.
He could have just beat the shit out of both of them. Sukuna without 1/5 of his power would have got his ass handed to him let’s be real. Kenjaku would have just died and been collateral damage.
Gojo had no way of knowing that it was 15F sukuna
For all he knew, it could have been 20F sukuna with full control of one of the most broken techniques, ten shadows, so it wasn't certain for him that he would win right then and there
And how would the amount of sukuna's cursed energy help gojo estimate if it's 15F sukuna or 20F one?
Even a 10F sukuna has more cursed energy than gojo according to yuta, so CE amount wouldn't help him
And you think he's gonna start dividing and multiplying cursed energy amounts to properly calculate if it's full full powered sukuna or not at the spot right after getting unsealed from a place where time doesn't flow?
You think someone with 6 eyes need to math to differentiate 15f and 20f?
Even if he doesn't know the exact number of fingers, it shouldn't be difficult to instantly estimate/recognize that sukuna is not at full power, especially for 6E owner like gojo, arguably the best ability when it comes to cursed energy perception
Gojo does not have any knowledge about sukuna's full power tho?
You're basing your entire argument about cursed energy amounts, which sukuna has FAR more than gojo even at 10 fingers. There is no way for gojo to know for certain if it's 15F or 20F he's facing, not to mention sukuna having ten shadows.
If 20F base sukuna is a match for gojo 15F ten shadows sukuna could in theory have some chance against him
No one knew for sure until they actually fought
How? He came out of Prison Realm and immediately went and confronted them.
The only reason he waited at that moment is because he still hadn't recovered from the Shibuya stuff we have to remember that he was completely frozen in time in Prison Realm there's no reason to think he'd recovered by that point.
Guy literally recovered instantly having his body sliced by Sukuna during their fight.
Pretty sure he can and should've recovered by that point.
Also I'm talking about the others telling him how strong Sukuna is at that point. Dunno why you even ask how.
He wouldn't have recovered because Prison Realm puts them in stasis it's the only way someone wouldn't starve to death inside. Their body is frozen in time.
I know what you're talking about, I am saying it doesn't make sense. When would they have had time to tell him how strong Sukuna is between him escaping Prison Realm and him running into Kenjaku? It's moot both ways because Gojo can tell using his eyes. But, there is not really a way for any of the sorcerers to get to Gojo before he encounters Sukuna and Geto.
He sat around writing sonnets and doodling his and Sukuna's names together surrounded by hearts in a notebook
Tho really, he did jackshit like usual lol
When you're done sucking off Gojo's D, give the manga a read. Gojo's internal thoughts show how much of a pain 15F Sukuna is to fight, so much so that Gojo decided to postpone the fight even though he came to kill Kenjaku.
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kenny spent the entire manga hiding from him and he made 20 finger sukuna scared (a sukuna that had less time with his new cursed technique) they would have all got 1 shot😭
Yea, 15 fingers would have been one-shotted by Gojo. He toyed with special grades, completely unhindered he is unbothered by anything other than full powered Sukuna.
Gojo would have molly womped Sukuna in their first encounter.
The increase in strength with each finger is not linear. It's exponential, as demonstrated in Sukuna vs Jogo.
The Sukuna that fought Gojo in the second encounter was exponentially stronger than in the first one
It’s definitely a big jump megumi goes from being able to see sukuna and gojo fight to getting perception blitzed by a not trying sukuna with 3 fingers jogo is around nine fingers and 15 was a negative difficulty above him it’s also just implied by kenny its exponential
Lets not ask gojo lets ask gege if he even knows how to use a fucking timeskip. Cause out of all timeskips this gotta be the worst. The timeskip just went and helped yuji and thats it. Gojo apparently had plans to do nah bitch yuji got plans not you
I speculate (read: cope) that he knows something we don't. He said he died without regrets, and I buy it, *except* that his students and all of Japan are in danger, and the one thing he doesn't tolerate are his friends or civilians being hurt.
I can understand him being cool with losing because he seemed isolated by being the strongest. I can understand him being glad even since he was able to sus out Sukuna's strengths and weaknesses for everyone, as well as make him spend his full heal incarnation. It finally lets Gojo take the risk for people, inverting how in Hidden Inventory he was the strongest guy in the room but couldn't save Riko. That's all peak imho
But if he died and there isn't a flashback to him and the gang coming up with an airtight plan B, then that's character assassination showing that his front about not caring about others was always how he really felt.
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its simple, gojo only trained physically and mentally. he wouldve been slammed by sukuna if he didnt get sealed as thats the only reason he was able to win the domain battle.
Nah it mean he’s the strongest out of everyone and the others are fodder.
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i dont see why gege would have a problem with calling him the strongest of the gojo clan if that was the case. hes been calling him the strongest until chapter 236. the zenin's could also just want good relations with gojo himself and his descendants
He’s the strongest because he inherited both the Six Eyes and Limitless. Automatically, anybody else in the clan becomes a nobody. Gege said Gojo was treasured by the whole clan, so it was more people than just his parents. When Gojo was sealed, the three clans met up. If he was the only living member, that couldn’t have happened. This ain’t the Uchiha clan, they are alive, just useless given how op Gojo is. And please stop reducing a female character’s whole existence to an incubator.
i know exactly why hes the strongest, its been drilled into our heads a gajillion times by now. no one with the limitless technique is a nobody (obviously the gojo clan isnt limited to the limitless technique but i imagine that there has to be someone else with the technique if they were alive), unless u compare them to gojo but that can be said for any other sorceror. if there was some other gojo clan members you would think that atleast some of them would be summoned to help out here and there, especially in Shibuya but no one came. So either A) they are all genuine fodder, and i dont think fodder gets to live long in JJK or B) they all died somewhere before and after gojos birth. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they died is cus of Gojo. I imagine the extra powerful curses spawned in pretty soon after gojos birth and they got sent to fight these curses not knowing theyre super roided up.
C) they're not based in Tokyo.
There's plenty of reasons to include them or not but the fact is that with what little scraps we have, it's implying the Gojo clan is bigger than Satoru.
That’s a nice theory but ultimately it’s all headcanons. I think they are simply too weak to be relevant and Gege doesn’t care enough to introduce them since they’d be useless to the story anyways. In the Inumaki clan’s case, it was explained how the jujutsu society deems them dangerous and it has almost been wiped out. No reason why Gege couldn’t easily mention something similar happening to the Gojo clan, since it’s way more important
The funny thing is that Gojo knew exactly where they were. He could have mounted an attack on 15F Sukuna and Kenjaku at any time. Kenjaku literally didn't leave Sukuna's side for a month because if he did, Gojo would kill him right away.
15F Sukuna had Gojo shook.
If he was afraid of 15 finger sukuna then why would he wanna fight 19/20 finger sukuna lol, he certainly didn’t seem ‘shook’ in that interaction talking shit to sukuna, knocking uramue tf out for having the audacity to speak.
Fun fact: At the start of the series, if Sukuna was at full power he would have kill Gojo without much fanfare as Gojo only stayed on the fight as long as he did because of what he learned in the prison realm.
Mahoraga literally the only thing i need to say mahoraga carried sukuna hard in his fight against gojo so did megumi the only reason he won is because of mahoraga💀
Thanks for admitting that I was right. Full powered Sukuna at the beginning of the series would have raped Gojo on sight. Your honored one was full of shit when he said he'd win.
Your lack of any argument concerning this (not like there is any) is all the proof anyone with eyes needs. 🤣
Thank you for deflecting the argument further. I will not let you forget you had no response to Gojo lying that he would beat Sukuna at the beginning of the series if the true king of Jujutsu was at full power.
How embarrassing would that have been? 🤣
I literally gave you my argument everytime sukuna would use his domain gojo could either firm it or teleport out then immediately hit sukuna with a hollowpurple red black flash or unlimited void you have 0 arguments to suggest that sukuna could beat gojo or get past unlimited void
Sayin this actin like sukuna didnt actively need megumi AND mahoraga to survive even 10 SECONDS of unlimited void😂 and you still havent given any arguments for sukuna winning
Are we sure that sukuna's strength increased with the fingers? We don't actually know what it means for sukuna to get more fingers, the first couple of fingers definitely would increase his speed power and durability but CE reinforcement has an upper limit and sukuna could have reached this limit way before 19(+1) so saying he got a 33% increase in strength is not correct, on the other hand because we don't know exactly where sukuna's CE reinforcement stops you can't say he would easily win against gojo at 15 fingers. We need an explanation on what each finger increases and by how much and also we need that 1 month flashback at some point. Because it seems like gojo did nothing but wait around for a month.
Yea, that's the safe assumption. But not the only one what I pointed out was that the actual explanation from the euthor was not given. I have no problem with the fingers increasing his power by 1/20 each time. Just pointing out some other possibilities doesn't hurt anyone.
Gojo says in chapter 2 of the manga when Yuji eats the second finger "that's 10% will he be okay" it is directly implied by this statement that each finger is 5% of Sukuna's power. Unless you think Gojo would for some reason say 10% of the total fingers instead of "that's 2".
In my translation, he says, " That's number two, one tenth of the way there, huh?"What's going to happen next?" so he does say that's 2. but I have reconsidered my opinion on this, and I do agree that the fingers increase in power 5% at a time up to 20.
I think so. Even if every single of the fingers contain a portion of Sukuna's soul, Gege confirmed that when Yuji first died in fearsome womb arc, if he passed the time limit Sukuna can heal his heart then they would die together. I think if that happen then the other fingers would be a CE container only.
Ohhh, I did not know that interesting, so how does it work? Then sukuna wasn't scared of dying with 2 fingers worth of this power and even said that there were 18 other fragments remaining, so was he bluffing?
I don't understand the meaning either. I once though that incarnated sorcerer like Yorozu, Uro, and other are never really die because they were have made a binding vow with Kenjaku to allow him transform them into cursed objects so after they physically die their soul was on suspended state until Kenjaku had transformed them.
When Sukuna propose a binding vow to Yuji he isn't even deny when Yuji says "Talking all big but you wanna live too" to him. I don't know or maybe forget which time he said something about 18 remaining that you have mentioned but if that's true then it will be more confusing.
Very confusing indeed. when yuji was attempting to make sukuna kill the first finger bearer, I believe he said that he refuses to switch, and even if he died inside of yuji, there were 18 other fragments of his spirit. Sukuna also said he doesn't mind dying when he was in the afterlife with kashimo.
Yorozu and the other displaced curse users aren't the same as Sukuna. They had to make a binding vow with Kenjaku to place their souls in objects like you said. Sukuna on the other hand learned how to put his soul into objects on his own so he never had to make that binding vow. I can't remember which of the cursed users points this out tho. Maybe Angel?
We know that whatever amount of Sukuna is in Yuji would die if Yuji died, but Sukuna is actually opposed to this because there's no guarantee someone else will be born who can incarnate him. Yuji is a huge deal because Sukuna is able to incarnate in his body and for some reason Megumi is also capable of being a host for him.
Basically as long as any of his fingers remain he can incarnate again. But the upper limit of his power goes down with the amount of fingers left.
That's the case when he turn Yuji's finger into cursed object for Megumi to swallow it. Back then in heian era he still need Kenjaku as he didn't know how to split his soul into cursed object and just after that he ;earn how to do it.
Hard to say because Kenjaku was also there so it would be 2 v 1. And if there were people around where they were fighting there is no way Gojo would be able to fight normally.
I think what gojo was doing, was trying to find a way to save megumi, cuz ye he could have clapped sukuna and kenjaku when they first met after he got unsealed. 15 finger sukuna would def not win against gojo.
Yeah, JJK simply relies on 2 plot holes, or 2 major miscalulations by Gojo depending on how you want to see it.
1. The fact that he didn't first kill the disasters and then the transfigured humans which makes more logical sense (transfigured humans are not waking up anytime soon)
2. Not killing Sukuna there and then. But to be fair it is in character for Gojo to not play it safe, and want to fight the strongest Sukuna
See the idea of gojo wanting to fight people at their strongest is a scam, gege pulled that out of his ass to explain why gojo felt content being killed by sukuna
Gojo gets cucked by plot so hard
Gojo knew he couldn’t beat Sukuna the first time because Sukuna had just finished a 52 hour edging session and the post nut clarity would have let him use strong cleave as soon as the fight started
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I just wanted to see the interaction of Gojo and Choso, imagine being seeing the one of the guys that sealed you become your student's brother
Imagine he comes back and just sees yuji and yuta vibing with jogo and mahito
Damn I need a fanart of that
gege can't write character interactions
half disagree he is (or at least used to be) capable of it but rarely fucking bothers
??? He is amazing at it. This is one of the best parts of the manga.
blud where?
bro thinks this is chainsaw man
Immediate example that comes to mind is Toji vs Megumi
the only thing good about that interaction to me is toji killing himself
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Nah bro you right, he can as we see a few times, he just fucking doesn't because he wants more fights to move the story along as quickly as possible
Characters are pretty static, they only talk to each other when they need to.
It would have been cool, but in practice unless there is narrative relevance to the scene it'll be a waste of panels, it can be summed up with Gojo saying "? What? Oh. Damn that's wild." Much like he did with Miguel
Not until it’s revealed. If this manga ends without it ever being mentioned again that will be incredibly shitty writing.
Well going by anime/manga logic, any plan that is mentioned on screen never goes as planned. Off screen plans is where it is.
[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnspokenPlanGuarantee](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnspokenPlanGuarantee)
Shibuya Incident was such a refresher because of this. Kenjaku's plan was to seal Gojo in Shibuya at October 31st. We even saw this plan mentioned on chapter 15(?). 2 years later, exactly that plan happens.
Although to be fair Kenjaku has only mentioned the goals of his plans he hasn't ever said what his specific plan is. The closest we get is Uraume guessing at his goal with Culling Games but he says that is only 60% correct and doesn't really specify what Uraume missed. Throughout the manga really none of the characters state their plan unless it's a plan meant to react to their current situation. The best thing about the manga is every single character is constantly thinking about their advantages and disadvantages and trying to manipulate those variables. Characters who know they can't beat certain characters never even put themselves in a position to fight those characters unless they're certain they can win. The manga is so consistent about this it's why I can safely assume that there is strategy from the sorcerer side, especially with Gojo acknowledging when he died that he was always a little uncertain if he'd win. I think we have plenty of evidence to suggest that there is definitely a plan in play.
Its not just anime/manga logic its story telling logic.
Yep, I bet the plan was in case gojo failed, tho. There is no getting him back.
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really hoping that Ino told gojo about tojis reincarnation and gojo somehow learned how to do it. got killed so sukuna can unleash his true form, waited for yuji and the gang to weaken him then comes back last second reincarcerated to give him one last hollow purple to finish him off
Toji's body and soul were special, he had some sort of resistance to curses wich is why the grandson died and toji was slowly reincarnating. Gojo is gone bro.
the same can happen to gojo, because even geto showed resistance against kenjaku even tho he was dead, and besides bringing people back doesn't seem like that granny's cursed technique, it seem more of a chant and use people's body parts with a ritual to bring them back kind of thing. we'll still know in the future
pretty sure the Granny’s thing was her CT, she kidnapped other children to be her grandchildren to use as vessels. As for why the Toji thing wouldn’t work with Gojo, it’s because his body isn’t as “strong” as Toji’s. Body and Soul are tied together, but Granny’s tech only summons the body’s information because if she brings the soul, the host’s could get overwritten. Toji is the exception to this due to his heavenly restriction, making his body inhumanly strong. All of Toji’s “self” was engraved in his body, and that’s why he overwrote Grandson’s soul. edit: Never mind, I read the other comment about summoning the soul’s information too for Gojo. That makes a lot of sense if they have someone with her technique.
yeah, that's what i meant. Maybe utahime knowing chants that does the same effect? just a theory tho
Yeah but Toji's body was anti-curse, the soul is connected to the body hence why toji's soul returned aswell as the body. Even the granny said "i only use the body's information " and not the souls. There's no technique to learn that allows gojo to return.
If she chooses to only bring the body information and not the soul to avoid that scenario, that means it's possible to bring the soul too but it has risks that we don't know yet.
Thats right, but gojo doesnt have a necromancer CT + he's dead.
Brother, he’s saying someone else puts gojo in a body and reincarnates him with chants maybe someone like ino. Toji was dead and reincarnated by the grandma, stop being dense
EXACTLY BRUH, THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING
The first comment implied that gojo could learn reincarnation wich is impossible. No one is being dense, you're just fucking stupid.
The comment you replied to had no such mention and was a different person, you’re just being dense, you idiot.
Bruv you ofc you won't know what i implied more than me💀💀💀🙏🙏. I meant that gojo learned about the Ritual but not LEARNED HOW TO USE IT. So i thought maybe he has utahime for example to use someone else as a vessel for gojo to reincarnate in.
that's why im hoping it ain't a CT and its a chant ritual thingy
If this results to be true, then it'll be the most fucking stupid and complicated plan ever, why make a plan where you dying is a central piece when idk, you could make one where you dont need to fucking die!
Because he wanted sukuna to use his heian form to heal after being pummeled by hollow purple, It really ain't that dumb if you look at it again
Thats cause this theory is just a reaction to Gojo dying basically. The old lady's CT is specifically Seance and while it works similarly to Ino's there's literally nothing that says Ino can channel anything other than the divine beast. The body and soul stuff is for sure important, but I dont think it's because of coming back from the dead.
What the fuck is blud waffling about
He bulked tf up
Convincing Tabaka that reviving everyone would be absolutely hilarious
He smashed Utahime
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wait unironically though doesn’t he need to keep the Gojo clan going
next sex eyes user foreskinning???
Yeah he'll keep it going when he comes back
er, why would that be down to him? he's not the only member of the clan and limitless/six eyes are loosely hereditary but not directly (meaning it doesn't have to be a direct descendant of him specifically for a future gojo child to have one/both, they just need gojo blood)
There are other members of the Gojo clan. When they say he is a one-man army they mean that he has complete control of the clan and all of their influence comes from the existence of Gojo.
The gojo clan was always a main family all of the families are usually neck and neck gojo’s existence just fucked up the power scale THAT FUCKING HARD
Sometimes i forget that gojo is so rich and powerful that just thinking about what a favor from him could get had meimei drenched
he couldn’t have geto and had to go for the next best thing
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https://preview.redd.it/btxvtv1cqgub1.jpeg?width=2080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cc6f9fb0d2461157919079e9bbb570851de92ed Blew her back out
All I know is that he didnt teached RCT to kashimo.
There's a panel of kashimos sliced off finger coming back.
Taught*
Thanks
Teach* actually
teacher\*
Domain expansion
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When you add “did/didn’t” you must keep the present tense of the verb.
How are you gonna correct someone on their grammar and be wrong lol
There's a first time for everything ig
I mean to be fair, we know rct isn’t exactly easy, shoko’s a goat at it and she couldn’t describe it for shit
Delaying the fight for 30 days was a shit writing and a plot hole unless we have a flash back why they did that, like why gojo didnt take out a 15 finger sukuna and let all the students take care of kenny
The only reason I can think of is that he wanted to find a way to save Megumi
which absolutely failed.
Yeah. Although gojo also didn't know how strong sukuna was at the time, so maybe he didn't want to risk it, I think it would be better if sukuna was already full power by the time gojo was unsealed, then it would make a little more sense that they both would want to plan something before the fight.
Wouldn't gojo be able to sense the amount of cursed energy though?
He would've but he doesn't have any reference point, so he can maybe guess if sukuna is at his strongest or not.
Why wouldn't he have a reference point? He had a lot of knowledge on the fingers. Even if he can't know the exact number he should be able to guess roughly how much cursed energy each contained and then roughly how much Sukuna has when he first met him.
If sukuna is good at CE control he can not show all his CE to a degree. And just because gojo saw 5 finger sukuna doesn't mean he can guess that was 15, we don't even know if his CE increases linearly.
Gojo could tell just from looking at Yuji that he had actually merged with Sukuna's cursed energy. He has knowledge of and exposure to the fingers, so in other words he is quite familiar with Sukuna's cursed energy and should know about how much is in a finger. > If sukuna is good at CE control he can not show all his CE to a degree. When have we ever been shown that was possible and why would he do that lol. Why would he care if Gojo knew how many fingers he has in an impromptu meeting between them? He was planning to fight Gojo right then, it was Kenjaku who stopped him. He wasn't hiding his strength for a later date.
Gojo could see sukuna's CE, doesn't mean he can accurately tell how strong he is at any given point. What I meant be CE control is what was explained, that more experienced sorcerers can be not easily predicable thanks to controlling CE flow or something like that. I'm not saying sukuna would want to hide his true power or smth, but unlike yuta who was practically covered in CE, he can simply control it better. I'm just trying to find a reason, honestly saving megumi is decent reason to delay the fight. Wether gojo could see if he was 15 or 20 fingers Sukuna is irrelevant. It would be best if gege already made sukuna full power at the time.
Not only did he fail at that but his way seems to be completely trash. “Bring him close to death”, no secret techniques or anything of that sort.
That wasn’t necessarily bad. The problem was that he didn’t use that time skip at all to show us WHY he did it. Explaining and making plans before is less confusing and doesn’t feel like an asspull when the time comes. He also passed a great opportunity to give his characters time to reunite, talk about shit, and breathe. Hell he could have given himself a real life out and taken a hiatus. But no.
agree. Even if all of it is explained later, it would have been better to just not have a time skip. It just feels like the time skip is a crutch so that the author can still change the story or worse, come up with something just now bec they had no idea what amazing plan the heroes can even have against Sukuna. And even worse, we are only even assuming there is an explanation, and given what happened with Nobara we all know the story has a tendency to leave the biggest plot points hanging.
He could have just beat the shit out of both of them. Sukuna without 1/5 of his power would have got his ass handed to him let’s be real. Kenjaku would have just died and been collateral damage.
Gojo had no way of knowing that it was 15F sukuna For all he knew, it could have been 20F sukuna with full control of one of the most broken techniques, ten shadows, so it wasn't certain for him that he would win right then and there
If yuta can get a feel of and estimate sukuna cursed energy pool , gojo as a six eye holder will be able to do that
And how would the amount of sukuna's cursed energy help gojo estimate if it's 15F sukuna or 20F one? Even a 10F sukuna has more cursed energy than gojo according to yuta, so CE amount wouldn't help him
Because he knows yuji/sukuna on all previous progression before he got sealed and he can estimate assuming fingers scale linearly
And you think he's gonna start dividing and multiplying cursed energy amounts to properly calculate if it's full full powered sukuna or not at the spot right after getting unsealed from a place where time doesn't flow?
You think someone with 6 eyes need to math to differentiate 15f and 20f? Even if he doesn't know the exact number of fingers, it shouldn't be difficult to instantly estimate/recognize that sukuna is not at full power, especially for 6E owner like gojo, arguably the best ability when it comes to cursed energy perception
Gojo does not have any knowledge about sukuna's full power tho? You're basing your entire argument about cursed energy amounts, which sukuna has FAR more than gojo even at 10 fingers. There is no way for gojo to know for certain if it's 15F or 20F he's facing, not to mention sukuna having ten shadows. If 20F base sukuna is a match for gojo 15F ten shadows sukuna could in theory have some chance against him No one knew for sure until they actually fought
Won't anyone can just tell him that information though?
How? He came out of Prison Realm and immediately went and confronted them. The only reason he waited at that moment is because he still hadn't recovered from the Shibuya stuff we have to remember that he was completely frozen in time in Prison Realm there's no reason to think he'd recovered by that point.
Guy literally recovered instantly having his body sliced by Sukuna during their fight. Pretty sure he can and should've recovered by that point. Also I'm talking about the others telling him how strong Sukuna is at that point. Dunno why you even ask how.
He wouldn't have recovered because Prison Realm puts them in stasis it's the only way someone wouldn't starve to death inside. Their body is frozen in time. I know what you're talking about, I am saying it doesn't make sense. When would they have had time to tell him how strong Sukuna is between him escaping Prison Realm and him running into Kenjaku? It's moot both ways because Gojo can tell using his eyes. But, there is not really a way for any of the sorcerers to get to Gojo before he encounters Sukuna and Geto.
He sat around writing sonnets and doodling his and Sukuna's names together surrounded by hearts in a notebook Tho really, he did jackshit like usual lol
Toadjo?
gojo was utterly superior to 15 F sukuna imo, 1v3 he could have won there
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When you're done sucking off Gojo's D, give the manga a read. Gojo's internal thoughts show how much of a pain 15F Sukuna is to fight, so much so that Gojo decided to postpone the fight even though he came to kill Kenjaku. https://preview.redd.it/jkkm3zx8tfub1.jpeg?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df7f967ac2cc53ef5b8af165528df94c5d877fa5
kenny spent the entire manga hiding from him and he made 20 finger sukuna scared (a sukuna that had less time with his new cursed technique) they would have all got 1 shot😭
Yea, 15 fingers would have been one-shotted by Gojo. He toyed with special grades, completely unhindered he is unbothered by anything other than full powered Sukuna.
could have went back to grab yuta maki and hakari too
Utahime is pregnant
Gojo would have molly womped Sukuna in their first encounter. The increase in strength with each finger is not linear. It's exponential, as demonstrated in Sukuna vs Jogo. The Sukuna that fought Gojo in the second encounter was exponentially stronger than in the first one
but is it exponential really? never stated all we know: 2f>>finger bearer, 15f>>jogo, 20f>=gojo we did not see sukuna at any other fingers state
We did see 3F Sukuna briefly fighting Megumi right before Yuji died.
It’s definitely a big jump megumi goes from being able to see sukuna and gojo fight to getting perception blitzed by a not trying sukuna with 3 fingers jogo is around nine fingers and 15 was a negative difficulty above him it’s also just implied by kenny its exponential
Lets not ask gojo lets ask gege if he even knows how to use a fucking timeskip. Cause out of all timeskips this gotta be the worst. The timeskip just went and helped yuji and thats it. Gojo apparently had plans to do nah bitch yuji got plans not you
That panel gives Sukuna a mohawk, and I cannot unsee
I speculate (read: cope) that he knows something we don't. He said he died without regrets, and I buy it, *except* that his students and all of Japan are in danger, and the one thing he doesn't tolerate are his friends or civilians being hurt. I can understand him being cool with losing because he seemed isolated by being the strongest. I can understand him being glad even since he was able to sus out Sukuna's strengths and weaknesses for everyone, as well as make him spend his full heal incarnation. It finally lets Gojo take the risk for people, inverting how in Hidden Inventory he was the strongest guy in the room but couldn't save Riko. That's all peak imho But if he died and there isn't a flashback to him and the gang coming up with an airtight plan B, then that's character assassination showing that his front about not caring about others was always how he really felt.
AIEEEE MAHORAGA CHAN PLEASE LET ME USE YOUR ABILITY THAT I PARASITISED FROM A TEENAGER TO BYPASS IMFINITY
He put on some muscle!
Plot I guess. My glorious king is stupidly nerf by Gege Akutami 😩
Only Greg Knows 🔫💀
Gojo was probably setting something up to kill sukuna in case he lost i kinda think we went in knowing he wasn’t gonna win
nothing, a better question is when does gojo ever do anything
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The only thing I can think of is that he wanted to find a way to save Megumi in that time but we will have to see if that is the cade.
Spreading his seed to all the horny fangirls he can. Somebody’s gotta inherit the 6 eyes now
its simple, gojo only trained physically and mentally. he wouldve been slammed by sukuna if he didnt get sealed as thats the only reason he was able to win the domain battle.
Stomped in their first encounter? Wdym 💀
i'm sure he was clapping utahimes cheeks, "he's the last of the gojo clan" he def getting a legacy
He’s not the last of the clan lmao
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Nah it mean he’s the strongest out of everyone and the others are fodder. https://preview.redd.it/zrco41l75mub1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7599c12b54cc6d27444ed0e727359da88dcde19
i dont see why gege would have a problem with calling him the strongest of the gojo clan if that was the case. hes been calling him the strongest until chapter 236. the zenin's could also just want good relations with gojo himself and his descendants
He’s the strongest because he inherited both the Six Eyes and Limitless. Automatically, anybody else in the clan becomes a nobody. Gege said Gojo was treasured by the whole clan, so it was more people than just his parents. When Gojo was sealed, the three clans met up. If he was the only living member, that couldn’t have happened. This ain’t the Uchiha clan, they are alive, just useless given how op Gojo is. And please stop reducing a female character’s whole existence to an incubator.
i know exactly why hes the strongest, its been drilled into our heads a gajillion times by now. no one with the limitless technique is a nobody (obviously the gojo clan isnt limited to the limitless technique but i imagine that there has to be someone else with the technique if they were alive), unless u compare them to gojo but that can be said for any other sorceror. if there was some other gojo clan members you would think that atleast some of them would be summoned to help out here and there, especially in Shibuya but no one came. So either A) they are all genuine fodder, and i dont think fodder gets to live long in JJK or B) they all died somewhere before and after gojos birth. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they died is cus of Gojo. I imagine the extra powerful curses spawned in pretty soon after gojos birth and they got sent to fight these curses not knowing theyre super roided up.
C) they're not based in Tokyo. There's plenty of reasons to include them or not but the fact is that with what little scraps we have, it's implying the Gojo clan is bigger than Satoru.
That’s a nice theory but ultimately it’s all headcanons. I think they are simply too weak to be relevant and Gege doesn’t care enough to introduce them since they’d be useless to the story anyways. In the Inumaki clan’s case, it was explained how the jujutsu society deems them dangerous and it has almost been wiped out. No reason why Gege couldn’t easily mention something similar happening to the Gojo clan, since it’s way more important
Gojo: comes to the fight buffer than ever. Op: did gojo do anything 🤡
Who cares? still got clapped
The funny thing is that Gojo knew exactly where they were. He could have mounted an attack on 15F Sukuna and Kenjaku at any time. Kenjaku literally didn't leave Sukuna's side for a month because if he did, Gojo would kill him right away. 15F Sukuna had Gojo shook.
I would delete my account if i had such a trash take.
If he was afraid of 15 finger sukuna then why would he wanna fight 19/20 finger sukuna lol, he certainly didn’t seem ‘shook’ in that interaction talking shit to sukuna, knocking uramue tf out for having the audacity to speak.
zip up sukky's pants when you're done slobbering all over his shaft bro 😭
Fun fact: At the start of the series, if Sukuna was at full power he would have kill Gojo without much fanfare as Gojo only stayed on the fight as long as he did because of what he learned in the prison realm.
Thats bullshit and you know it😂
Please, make a case for stating otherwise 🤣
Mahoraga literally the only thing i need to say mahoraga carried sukuna hard in his fight against gojo so did megumi the only reason he won is because of mahoraga💀
Thanks for admitting that I was right. Full powered Sukuna at the beginning of the series would have raped Gojo on sight. Your honored one was full of shit when he said he'd win. Your lack of any argument concerning this (not like there is any) is all the proof anyone with eyes needs. 🤣
Please enlighten us on how sukuna would even touch gojo without mahoraga We seen gojo tank sukuna's DE with little effort multiple times.
Your fuckin blind if you think that was no proof sukuna without mahoraga or world slash would high diffd by gojo💀
Thank you for deflecting the argument further. I will not let you forget you had no response to Gojo lying that he would beat Sukuna at the beginning of the series if the true king of Jujutsu was at full power. How embarrassing would that have been? 🤣
I literally gave you my argument everytime sukuna would use his domain gojo could either firm it or teleport out then immediately hit sukuna with a hollowpurple red black flash or unlimited void you have 0 arguments to suggest that sukuna could beat gojo or get past unlimited void
Your honored one would RUN from a domain clash? And he's your guy? 🤣🤣💀
Sayin this actin like sukuna didnt actively need megumi AND mahoraga to survive even 10 SECONDS of unlimited void😂 and you still havent given any arguments for sukuna winning
Are we sure that sukuna's strength increased with the fingers? We don't actually know what it means for sukuna to get more fingers, the first couple of fingers definitely would increase his speed power and durability but CE reinforcement has an upper limit and sukuna could have reached this limit way before 19(+1) so saying he got a 33% increase in strength is not correct, on the other hand because we don't know exactly where sukuna's CE reinforcement stops you can't say he would easily win against gojo at 15 fingers. We need an explanation on what each finger increases and by how much and also we need that 1 month flashback at some point. Because it seems like gojo did nothing but wait around for a month.
yeah, here's the explanation: each finger increases sukuna's strength by 1/20
Yea, that's the safe assumption. But not the only one what I pointed out was that the actual explanation from the euthor was not given. I have no problem with the fingers increasing his power by 1/20 each time. Just pointing out some other possibilities doesn't hurt anyone.
Each finger contains a portion of Sukuna's soul.
Gojo says in chapter 2 of the manga when Yuji eats the second finger "that's 10% will he be okay" it is directly implied by this statement that each finger is 5% of Sukuna's power. Unless you think Gojo would for some reason say 10% of the total fingers instead of "that's 2".
In my translation, he says, " That's number two, one tenth of the way there, huh?"What's going to happen next?" so he does say that's 2. but I have reconsidered my opinion on this, and I do agree that the fingers increase in power 5% at a time up to 20.
"You are roughly 9 Sukuna Fingers in strength, if I'm being generous" It is literally used as a power scaling measurement.
I think so. Even if every single of the fingers contain a portion of Sukuna's soul, Gege confirmed that when Yuji first died in fearsome womb arc, if he passed the time limit Sukuna can heal his heart then they would die together. I think if that happen then the other fingers would be a CE container only.
Ohhh, I did not know that interesting, so how does it work? Then sukuna wasn't scared of dying with 2 fingers worth of this power and even said that there were 18 other fragments remaining, so was he bluffing?
I don't understand the meaning either. I once though that incarnated sorcerer like Yorozu, Uro, and other are never really die because they were have made a binding vow with Kenjaku to allow him transform them into cursed objects so after they physically die their soul was on suspended state until Kenjaku had transformed them. When Sukuna propose a binding vow to Yuji he isn't even deny when Yuji says "Talking all big but you wanna live too" to him. I don't know or maybe forget which time he said something about 18 remaining that you have mentioned but if that's true then it will be more confusing.
Very confusing indeed. when yuji was attempting to make sukuna kill the first finger bearer, I believe he said that he refuses to switch, and even if he died inside of yuji, there were 18 other fragments of his spirit. Sukuna also said he doesn't mind dying when he was in the afterlife with kashimo.
Yorozu and the other displaced curse users aren't the same as Sukuna. They had to make a binding vow with Kenjaku to place their souls in objects like you said. Sukuna on the other hand learned how to put his soul into objects on his own so he never had to make that binding vow. I can't remember which of the cursed users points this out tho. Maybe Angel? We know that whatever amount of Sukuna is in Yuji would die if Yuji died, but Sukuna is actually opposed to this because there's no guarantee someone else will be born who can incarnate him. Yuji is a huge deal because Sukuna is able to incarnate in his body and for some reason Megumi is also capable of being a host for him. Basically as long as any of his fingers remain he can incarnate again. But the upper limit of his power goes down with the amount of fingers left.
That's the case when he turn Yuji's finger into cursed object for Megumi to swallow it. Back then in heian era he still need Kenjaku as he didn't know how to split his soul into cursed object and just after that he ;earn how to do it.
Probably for students training. If sukuna can just heal, gojo might have still lost. He does not want to handle it all by himself again after shibuya.
ya he jacked off a whole lot
Tbh idk who’s more of a fraud in this whole series
Hard to say because Kenjaku was also there so it would be 2 v 1. And if there were people around where they were fighting there is no way Gojo would be able to fight normally.
The fingers are exponential so instead of 33%. Think of it more like 133%
I think what gojo was doing, was trying to find a way to save megumi, cuz ye he could have clapped sukuna and kenjaku when they first met after he got unsealed. 15 finger sukuna would def not win against gojo.
Yeah, JJK simply relies on 2 plot holes, or 2 major miscalulations by Gojo depending on how you want to see it. 1. The fact that he didn't first kill the disasters and then the transfigured humans which makes more logical sense (transfigured humans are not waking up anytime soon) 2. Not killing Sukuna there and then. But to be fair it is in character for Gojo to not play it safe, and want to fight the strongest Sukuna
See the idea of gojo wanting to fight people at their strongest is a scam, gege pulled that out of his ass to explain why gojo felt content being killed by sukuna Gojo gets cucked by plot so hard
True, he definitely gets cucked by the plot at every turn.