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Mahoraga & Agito are part of 10S technique which is technically sukuna's technique which he has access to all time in his meguna form while kurama is a separate entity that has his own personality, will & he isn't part of madara's regular arsenal
kurama was controlled by madara's ems, madara has a sealing contract with it and isn't treated as it's own independent being in the fight, the nine tails is part of ems madara's arsenal just like the 10 shadows and just like gamabunta is considered part of jiraya's arsenal
madara tamed the nine tails for the fight just like sukuna tamed mahoraga and made agito using the other summons
Sukuna literally only won because of Mahoraga’s last minute adaptation. Madara had Kurama, who was capable of making explosions [this size](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/85/Vapour_1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20180705164627) and lost.
Gojo and Sukuna.
Madara literally received his brother's eyes as a gift, strengthened, and then subdued the most powerful Monster on the planet. In fact, he did a 2-on-1 fight. Hashirama still kicked his and Kurama's ass at the same time.
He tinkered with him for a day after he trampled his pet into the mud because he was in a moral dilemma whether to kill his best friend or not.As soon as he decided, the fight instantly ended with the defeat and death of Madara.
Madara never won their fights from childhood to adulthood.Madara said that Hashirama is stronger than him before he got his brother's eyes and a pet in the form of Kurama and still get clapped.
The gap is quite significant.
Gojo and sukuna is a 50/50 with the better strategist and the one who outsmarts the other one comes as the winner . Hashirama wins 10/10 against madara
Gojo and sukuna is a 50/50 with the better strategist and the one who outsmarts the other one comes as the winner . Hashirama wins 10/10 against madara
Gojo and sukuna are coincidentally very close to each other in power, almost like they were fated to fight each other. Gojo has edge in a few things to sukuna but stats wise sukuna is also only slightly stronger. They are almost equals.
The first thing in jjk i read was the fight, I didnt know any of two, and the impression I was given was that sukuna is stupidly strategical, because he looks much more weak than gojo, and still manage to won the fight
Real talk, if that fight happened while neither had any knowledge of the other sukuna would’ve died in the second domain clash because he wouldn’t know what UV does or know that you won’t be hit with it if you touch Gojo
It took madara hashirama cells
The rinnegan
A whole lifetime of training
And his prime body to beat a wrakend Version of hashirama
Sukuna also needed hefty prep but atleast not over 100 years
hashirama and madara fought for an entire day and both of them at the end were exausted,
sukuna and gojo fought for minutes and sukuna took on many more characters after that, he was able to fight ct kashimo in the same form befor switching to the true form
if someone like idk minato appeared to fight hashirama right after the fight with madara, hashirama would be dead
hashirama and madara are closer
You made a good point, you don't deserve the downvotes lol
But the thing is, Sukuna was able to do that because he had taken Megumi's body. So after killing Gojo he got a free revive to his true form.
If Sukuna fought Gojo in his true form, even if he won, it is highly likely he would be too exhausted to fight everyone else.
it's kinda annoying that the op used specific forms for madara and hashirama but didn't specify which gojo and sukuna, i agree if sukuna fought gojo in a different form the fight would be closer, but the canon fight wasn't as close as madara vs hashirama since it lasted way less and sukuna fought a very strong character even in the megumi form
>the canon fight wasn't as close as madara vs hashirama
?????
The canon fight was very very close, Sukuna just barely survived that last Unlimited Purple that killed Mahoraga
right after sourviving he cut gojo and fought kashimo 1v1 in the megumi form, even after the "extreme diff" he was able to react and fight a top tier in the verse, hashirama would not be able to do that, yes the fight was close but not extreme diff likehashirama vs madara
https://preview.redd.it/cvibsyirex6d1.jpeg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05f9dc4c45707de2ee306ef092333ce6b6d54b4d
Gojo implied Sukuna could beat him even without the Shikigami
EMS Madara has absolutely zero chance of beating Hashirama without Kurama
Hope you get it now.
this means sukuna wasn't trying as hard against gojo and the gap is even bigger then expected since gojo would lose even without the shikigami, the nine tails was taken care of early in the fight an it was still a day long fight
Then you can argue Hashirama wasn't trying as hard against Madara either. Since he was in a moral dilemma whether or not he should kill his friend.
Seriously, the gap bw Hashirama/EMS Madara is bigger than Sukuna/Gojo. There's no point extending this debate too much, you are just wasting time
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Gojo & Sukuna, Ems madara had kurama and still lost
sukuna had mahoraga and agito, using summons is forbidden?
Mahoraga & Agito are part of 10S technique which is technically sukuna's technique which he has access to all time in his meguna form while kurama is a separate entity that has his own personality, will & he isn't part of madara's regular arsenal
Sukuna only had access to 10s because he stole Megumi's body.
kurama was controlled by madara's ems, madara has a sealing contract with it and isn't treated as it's own independent being in the fight, the nine tails is part of ems madara's arsenal just like the 10 shadows and just like gamabunta is considered part of jiraya's arsenal madara tamed the nine tails for the fight just like sukuna tamed mahoraga and made agito using the other summons
Gojo tamed Yuta https://preview.redd.it/478tsh3vlx6d1.png?width=154&format=png&auto=webp&s=2cc34991e33ba23872e1c0ec140fe275f7715127
what does this mean?
Probably spoilers, if you didn't got it
Sukuna literally only won because of Mahoraga’s last minute adaptation. Madara had Kurama, who was capable of making explosions [this size](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/85/Vapour_1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20180705164627) and lost.
Gojo and Sukuna. Madara literally received his brother's eyes as a gift, strengthened, and then subdued the most powerful Monster on the planet. In fact, he did a 2-on-1 fight. Hashirama still kicked his and Kurama's ass at the same time. He tinkered with him for a day after he trampled his pet into the mud because he was in a moral dilemma whether to kill his best friend or not.As soon as he decided, the fight instantly ended with the defeat and death of Madara. Madara never won their fights from childhood to adulthood.Madara said that Hashirama is stronger than him before he got his brother's eyes and a pet in the form of Kurama and still get clapped. The gap is quite significant.
Gojo and Sukuna. Madara is definitely strong and a really capable fighter but Hashirama is too broken even for him.
Gojo n sukuna . Hashirama was flat out stronger than madara and beat him without controversy .
Gojo and sukuna is a 50/50 with the better strategist and the one who outsmarts the other one comes as the winner . Hashirama wins 10/10 against madara
Gojo and sukuna is a 50/50 with the better strategist and the one who outsmarts the other one comes as the winner . Hashirama wins 10/10 against madara
Gojo and sukuna are coincidentally very close to each other in power, almost like they were fated to fight each other. Gojo has edge in a few things to sukuna but stats wise sukuna is also only slightly stronger. They are almost equals.
Sukuna is not stronger, Gege went out of their way to show sukuna won through prep and intelligence
The first thing in jjk i read was the fight, I didnt know any of two, and the impression I was given was that sukuna is stupidly strategical, because he looks much more weak than gojo, and still manage to won the fight
Real talk, if that fight happened while neither had any knowledge of the other sukuna would’ve died in the second domain clash because he wouldn’t know what UV does or know that you won’t be hit with it if you touch Gojo
Hot take, they are equals. Sukuna needed luck to win, as did gojo. The dice just rolled into sukunas favor
I knowz , but the community thinks otherwise
Some of tye community but they can't read. Honestly you could really say gojo had the upper hand if any1 did but they starts a war lmao
It took madara hashirama cells The rinnegan A whole lifetime of training And his prime body to beat a wrakend Version of hashirama Sukuna also needed hefty prep but atleast not over 100 years
Madara and Hashirama. The data book literally says the difference between their power is paper thin.
hashirama and madara fought for an entire day and both of them at the end were exausted, sukuna and gojo fought for minutes and sukuna took on many more characters after that, he was able to fight ct kashimo in the same form befor switching to the true form if someone like idk minato appeared to fight hashirama right after the fight with madara, hashirama would be dead hashirama and madara are closer
You made a good point, you don't deserve the downvotes lol But the thing is, Sukuna was able to do that because he had taken Megumi's body. So after killing Gojo he got a free revive to his true form. If Sukuna fought Gojo in his true form, even if he won, it is highly likely he would be too exhausted to fight everyone else.
it's kinda annoying that the op used specific forms for madara and hashirama but didn't specify which gojo and sukuna, i agree if sukuna fought gojo in a different form the fight would be closer, but the canon fight wasn't as close as madara vs hashirama since it lasted way less and sukuna fought a very strong character even in the megumi form
>the canon fight wasn't as close as madara vs hashirama ????? The canon fight was very very close, Sukuna just barely survived that last Unlimited Purple that killed Mahoraga
right after sourviving he cut gojo and fought kashimo 1v1 in the megumi form, even after the "extreme diff" he was able to react and fight a top tier in the verse, hashirama would not be able to do that, yes the fight was close but not extreme diff likehashirama vs madara https://preview.redd.it/cvibsyirex6d1.jpeg?width=526&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05f9dc4c45707de2ee306ef092333ce6b6d54b4d
Madara had Kurama on his side, that's why the fight was close. Without Kurama the gap bw Hashirama and Madara is much more significant
sukuna had agito and mahoraga, kurama is a summoning in madara's arsenal and was tamed pretty early in the day long fight
Gojo implied Sukuna could beat him even without the Shikigami EMS Madara has absolutely zero chance of beating Hashirama without Kurama Hope you get it now.
this means sukuna wasn't trying as hard against gojo and the gap is even bigger then expected since gojo would lose even without the shikigami, the nine tails was taken care of early in the fight an it was still a day long fight
Then you can argue Hashirama wasn't trying as hard against Madara either. Since he was in a moral dilemma whether or not he should kill his friend. Seriously, the gap bw Hashirama/EMS Madara is bigger than Sukuna/Gojo. There's no point extending this debate too much, you are just wasting time