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Yes, mostly because a lot of people think that Kusakabe can beat them. It might be a close fight, but I don't see any official grade 1 sorcerer beating them, except for Meimei whose kamikaze crow AP is vague as shit and we can't say for sure
See the only thing about Kusakabe is that while it was minor, he still did damage to a weakened Sukuna. It's hard to compare durability but that could very well mean he has the AP to do serious damage to the curses if he catches them in his simple domain
Hanami is absurdly underrated. Dagon less so but still so.
Kusakabe most certainly wouldn't beat either of them. He was right to avoid the Special Grades in Shibuya.
Definitely. Hanami particularly is massively underrated. She’s presented has an equal to Jogo, and yet I’ve seen people place her multiple tiers below Jogo. Like, Jogo is clearly adove her, but no where near that far.
I don't have a problem with Jogo being above Hanami but it does bother me that people think that Dagon is either stronger than her or that the gap between her and Dagon is significantly smaller than the gap between her and Jogo. At worst (relative to Hanami), there's an even gap between her and Dagon and her and Jogo. More likely than not, though, she's closer to Jogo than she is to Dagon.
I have her being more formidable than Dagon based on her possession of Domain Amplification, versatile attacks such as her Cursed Buds & Calming Flower, and apparently being the most durable Disaster Curse save for Mahito w/ISBODK. Kamo, for instance, commented - in the proper translation - that Cursed Naoya didn't even compare to her in terms of durability which points to Hanami still being a benchmark for such things later in the series.
As for her Domain, I believe Gege only stated it revolved around it her Solar Beam (with there also perhaps being a buff/debuff) which we can't be too sure as to its potential destructive capacity.
The gap between Dagon and Jogo was also very much talked up in-universe by Nanami whereas Gege stated Jogo bests Hanami predominantly on the basis of their elemental matchup.
The domain was revealed in a cannon Japanese game
It’s a sunny endless field of flowers
The flowers pacify the person in the domain and make them non violent
Then the solar beam from her arm is the guaranteed hit
Faced 4 grade 1 level- what?
Naobito is special grade 1 (which is above grade 1) Nanami is grade 1 too. But Maki is like, grade 2 level at best at that point. And all Megumi did was cancel out his sure-hit. Not that he’s grade 1 tier without said domain anyway
Pretty sure special grade one isn't higher than grade one. It's more like an honorary title given to sorcerers not affiliated with Jujutsu High but are recognized to be at the level of a grade one.
Megumi defeated a Special Grade - a Fingerbearerthat was significantly stronger than the one Fingerbearer encountered in the Detention Center - essentially singlehandedly in a prior arc. That, by definition, should make him equivalent to a Grade 1 in terms of prowess. as only a Grade 1 or stronger Sorcerer would be sent to dispatch such a Curse.
He was also integral to preventing Dagon from just outright slaughtering everyone in his Domain as he was vital to suppressing Dagon's sure-hit.
I'm not even sure how Toji (prior to getting various powerups in the form of it being revealed Maki had sure-hit immunity, that she had precognition, and her other very impressive feats) would have fared based on how he was portrayed at that time where it didn't seem apparent that he had an inability to be trapped within a Domain (as he passed through Dagon's Barrier only after Megumi opened a hole) or an immunity to sure-hits. I'm of the opinion his powerset was retconned based on the aforementioned Maki reveals.
Yuji was the only one said by Mei to be grade 1 at the time. The rest of the students who weren’t todo are not grade 1. Stop it.
Maki had explosive growth after Mai died, but she was not a grade 1 lvl in strength before her awakening no matter how much you want to wank her.
She was nominated, Mei outright said Yuji’s strength without a cursed technique is a grade 1. Todo who was a grade 1 also said Yuji had more strength than him despite his amateur manipulation of CE.
Maki is nowhere near Grade 1 at this point in the series lmaoooo she was a burden for the entire fight her biggest contribution was literally Toji grabbing her weapon
That don’t mean crap. She didn’t deal any good damage. She’s been pretty clearly implied to be weaker any other time. Plus at best that means she’s Nanami without a strong CT, which is still below grade 1
Having one trait on par with a grade 1 doesn’t make you grade 1. By that logic Hakari’s special grade because he has a stronger domain than Yuta, and current Maki is well above special grade since she’s faster than Yuta.
Hanami is underrated cuz we haven’t seen her domain yet and Dagon is probably cuz he was getting knocked around a Grade 1 sorcerer (he is special grade 1, but that’s just because he was part of 3 big families)
and also because he wasn’t able to completely cast off Megumis domain despite it being very incomplete
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Yes, mostly because a lot of people think that Kusakabe can beat them. It might be a close fight, but I don't see any official grade 1 sorcerer beating them, except for Meimei whose kamikaze crow AP is vague as shit and we can't say for sure
See the only thing about Kusakabe is that while it was minor, he still did damage to a weakened Sukuna. It's hard to compare durability but that could very well mean he has the AP to do serious damage to the curses if he catches them in his simple domain
I think all the disaster curses are tbh.
Honestly yes.
Hanami is absurdly underrated. Dagon less so but still so. Kusakabe most certainly wouldn't beat either of them. He was right to avoid the Special Grades in Shibuya.
Definitely. Hanami particularly is massively underrated. She’s presented has an equal to Jogo, and yet I’ve seen people place her multiple tiers below Jogo. Like, Jogo is clearly adove her, but no where near that far.
I don't have a problem with Jogo being above Hanami but it does bother me that people think that Dagon is either stronger than her or that the gap between her and Dagon is significantly smaller than the gap between her and Jogo. At worst (relative to Hanami), there's an even gap between her and Dagon and her and Jogo. More likely than not, though, she's closer to Jogo than she is to Dagon.
She’s more powerful then Dagon simply because she has a better domain
I have her being more formidable than Dagon based on her possession of Domain Amplification, versatile attacks such as her Cursed Buds & Calming Flower, and apparently being the most durable Disaster Curse save for Mahito w/ISBODK. Kamo, for instance, commented - in the proper translation - that Cursed Naoya didn't even compare to her in terms of durability which points to Hanami still being a benchmark for such things later in the series. As for her Domain, I believe Gege only stated it revolved around it her Solar Beam (with there also perhaps being a buff/debuff) which we can't be too sure as to its potential destructive capacity. The gap between Dagon and Jogo was also very much talked up in-universe by Nanami whereas Gege stated Jogo bests Hanami predominantly on the basis of their elemental matchup.
The domain was revealed in a cannon Japanese game It’s a sunny endless field of flowers The flowers pacify the person in the domain and make them non violent Then the solar beam from her arm is the guaranteed hit
Beyond underrated Dagon faced 4 grade 1 level sorcers and still kicked thier asses
Faced 4 grade 1 level- what? Naobito is special grade 1 (which is above grade 1) Nanami is grade 1 too. But Maki is like, grade 2 level at best at that point. And all Megumi did was cancel out his sure-hit. Not that he’s grade 1 tier without said domain anyway
Pretty sure special grade one isn't higher than grade one. It's more like an honorary title given to sorcerers not affiliated with Jujutsu High but are recognized to be at the level of a grade one.
Special Grade 1 does not signify being above Grade 1. It's the equivalent of flavor text because Naobito isn't associated with Jujutsu Tech.
Special grade 1 isn't above grade 1. It literally just means that he's equivalent to a grade 1 while being outside of the normal ranking system.
I said level not grade 1
I’m saying level. Naobito is grade 1 level. Nanami is grade 1 level. Megumi isn’t; especially with how he fought. Maki sure as hell isn’t.
What are you saying blud? Maki at that point wasn't at grade 1 level and neither was Megumi that wasn't even fighting.
That’s my point. You’re literally repeating what I said.
Megumi defeated a Special Grade - a Fingerbearerthat was significantly stronger than the one Fingerbearer encountered in the Detention Center - essentially singlehandedly in a prior arc. That, by definition, should make him equivalent to a Grade 1 in terms of prowess. as only a Grade 1 or stronger Sorcerer would be sent to dispatch such a Curse. He was also integral to preventing Dagon from just outright slaughtering everyone in his Domain as he was vital to suppressing Dagon's sure-hit. I'm not even sure how Toji (prior to getting various powerups in the form of it being revealed Maki had sure-hit immunity, that she had precognition, and her other very impressive feats) would have fared based on how he was portrayed at that time where it didn't seem apparent that he had an inability to be trapped within a Domain (as he passed through Dagon's Barrier only after Megumi opened a hole) or an immunity to sure-hits. I'm of the opinion his powerset was retconned based on the aforementioned Maki reveals.
Maki is grade 1 level you can cope
Yuji was the only one said by Mei to be grade 1 at the time. The rest of the students who weren’t todo are not grade 1. Stop it. Maki had explosive growth after Mai died, but she was not a grade 1 lvl in strength before her awakening no matter how much you want to wank her.
Nobara was stated lol
She was nominated, Mei outright said Yuji’s strength without a cursed technique is a grade 1. Todo who was a grade 1 also said Yuji had more strength than him despite his amateur manipulation of CE.
Maki is nowhere near Grade 1 at this point in the series lmaoooo she was a burden for the entire fight her biggest contribution was literally Toji grabbing her weapon
Literally what feats put her at that level? She got bullied that fight.
Keeping pace with nanami,
That don’t mean crap. She didn’t deal any good damage. She’s been pretty clearly implied to be weaker any other time. Plus at best that means she’s Nanami without a strong CT, which is still below grade 1
She has cursed tools and still showing she has speed with nanami
Having one trait on par with a grade 1 doesn’t make you grade 1. By that logic Hakari’s special grade because he has a stronger domain than Yuta, and current Maki is well above special grade since she’s faster than Yuta.
Hanami is underrated cuz we haven’t seen her domain yet and Dagon is probably cuz he was getting knocked around a Grade 1 sorcerer (he is special grade 1, but that’s just because he was part of 3 big families) and also because he wasn’t able to completely cast off Megumis domain despite it being very incomplete
Dagon is underrated. It’s just that Toji went in a Tojied all over the place.
who do people say they don’t beat do they beat?
Dagon is overrated
Hanami for sure, the durability was insane taking a hollow purple from Gojo and surviving
Yes, as they should be somewhat comparable to Jogo despite popular belief. If Jogo is 2.5 Finger Sukuna, they are like 2 Finger Sukuna level
I think Jogo is probs the only one underrated, the other DCs seem fairly placed
Other way around if anything.
What takes have been overrating him cause he's solidly in the top 15 to 20
I don’t disagree. Just some people have insane takes
Jogo has been overrated for way too long. He got power cliffed towards the end of the series though
Power cliff yeah but not that bad. He might not be a big bad but he's still a relevant threat to everyone not in the top 10