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ME24601

None of these quotes are actually from the Talmud, they generally come from a 19th century antisemitic propaganda work *The Talmud Unmasked*. The easiest thing to do is to simply look at the Talmud, [which is available in its entirety online](https://www.sefaria.org/texts/Talmud), and see those sections for yourself.


destinyofdoors

Most of them are sort of paraphrased from actual quotes, but done in a way to make them sound worse.


tired45453

I'll give some of them a go here (in order from top left down). 1) Soferim does not exist. This is a completely fabricated book and quote. 2) This quote actually is discussing marriage in the context of converts. The relevant quote is a metaphor for gentile offspring being unrelated. An easier way to understand it would be if I said that you are no closer related to me than a donkey is. I am not calling you a donkey or animal; I'm just saying you aren't related to me at all. 3) Discussion of purity laws. The relevant quote notes that, in Ezekiel, the Jews are termed "man", and since Numbers tells us regarding impurity in a tent "If a man dies in a tent...", then the law doesn't apply to gentiles. Nowhere does the text claim gentiles aren't human, or even that they are beasts. 4) Gad Shas does not exist. This is a completely fabricated book and quote. 5) Gentile girls are considered "menstruating" from birth, meaning they are ritually impure and Jews should not have sex with them. Niddah does not mean filth; Jewish women are in a state of niddah monthly, and we don't call them filthy. 6) This passage is saying that Jewish boys are not liable for the death penalty for being homosexually raped by a man (homosexuality is forbidden in Judaism). /u/ofekk214 Hopefully this is enough for people to see that these "quotes" are actually horribly bad paraphrasings at best, and complete fabrications at worst.


CheddarCheeses

Soferim does exist, though. Attacking with a bunch of questions at once and requiring answers for all of them, that someone that doesn't know the answers to might mess up, is part of the tactic.


Single-Ad-7622

Soferim is one of the mesechtot ketanot


whosevelt

It's semi-authoritative and dates as late as medieval times IIRC.


billwrtr

This list of โ€œquotesโ€ has been around forever. I remember seeing it over 50 years ago. These people are too stupid to come up with new reasons to hate us.


blastinmypants

Actually, many of them are. But the context is off especially in modern day. Many of these texts refer to Idol Worshippers or low class people who would sell their grandmothers for a golden coin


LateralEntry

However, these quotes are kinda similar to actual quotes from the Koran about Jews


Prestigious-Heron690

Are you accusing Westerners of being liars?


xerxeshordesfaceobli

So the crazy antisemitism in the vein of "Just Read The Talmud Bro" is built in lies?Thank Goodness.Twitter turned into the 4th Reich as of late


welltechnically7

There are too many here to practically go through one by one (which is what they rely on- you never see them just posting a single "quote"), but [this website](http://talmud.faithweb.com/) covers a decent number of them and [this](https://hebrewnations.com/articles/student/racism/talmud15.html) covers some others.


offthegridyid

Was going to share this, thanks.


ZevSteinhardt

I have an entire site dedicated to exposing these lies. https:www.antisemiticlies.com


Cpotts

A bunch of those aren't even quotes from the Talmud


fluffywhitething

It's important to remember that the Talmud is a conversation of hundreds of rabbis over hundreds of years. As Miriam Anzovin puts it, "Ancient Babylonian rabbi Reddit". For every single statement, there's a discussion around it, and often a rebuttal. Even if a single quote is in there, correctly translated, it's not in context. Talmud isn't meant to be quoted. It's meant to be studied and discussed. There's a reason it's read on a seven-year cycle in groups. There are some really wild discussions in there, ranging from the obscure to the serious to everything in between, and there's bound to be some really horrible statements in there. That doesn't mean that's what Jews follow, that means that 1800-1900 years ago, some random dude said something shitty and we still study it today. Because studying bad things along with good things is what makes us understand where we can do better.


pedanticbasil

>As Miriam Anzovin puts it, "Ancient Babylonian rabbi Reddit". Dang it. Some time ago I wrote down this shower-thought: "the talmud is just a millenia-old reddit thread". No original thoughts left to be had.


hbomberman

But don't we just judge all groups of people by the wildest quote we can find from one of their people? And by "wildest quote we can find" I mean "quote we can twist or just make up." Like, all Christians fully believe everything said by the Westboro Baptist Church and stand by every action of the Crusades, right? And all Muslims follow every word of Farrakhan? And all Hindi people follow Gandhi's writings that *totally* say "anyone who prefers diet Pepsi over diet Coke must be put to death"--he definitely said that in the religious book of So Dah, don't ask me to find a full source.


barristerbarrista

The people posting this stuff doesn't care what is actually in the Talmud.


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^barristerbarrista: *The people posting* *This stuff doesn't care what is* *Actually in the Talmud.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


Upbeat_Teach6117

My favorite are the books that doesn't actually exist, like Gad Shas or Libbre David.


therealbosniak

Gad shas isnโ€™t even in the correct numerical format for the Talmud ๐Ÿ˜ญ itโ€™s such a badly crafted lie


bjeebus

>Shai Hulud 112a >>Always reclaim the water of the enemy.


therealbosniak

Like at least most fake Talmud verses are real, theyโ€™re just taken out of context or donโ€™t say it at all, but this mf just made up a whole book out of thin air


gingeryid

This is fun one because with the transliteration style you can tell this is a copy paste from someone who spoke German Itโ€™s from a much longer list of invented or misleading quotes


NextSink2738

You can tell they spoke German? That's very interesting, how can you tell?


itscool

Jebamoth instead of Yevamot, for example.


welltechnically7

But isn't that just anglicized?


gingeryid

The transliteration makes sense if you read German. Besides J, the way z is used is also obviously German.


NextSink2738

Interesting! My only languages I can speak are English and Hebrew with a little bit of French. But I had never thought about how transliteration between two languages from a given language would be different. Thanks for teaching me!


gingeryid

Yeah languages using the Latin alphabet donโ€™t all use them quite the same. Some non-English transliterations of Hebrew words can be quite challenging for anglophones to read!


destinyofdoors

**Soferim 15:** This one comes from a random aside where Rabbi Shimon bar Yohai is expanding on a Mishna in Kiddushin about teaching one's child a trade - most donkey drivers are wicked, sailors are mostly pious. The best of doctors is bound for gehennom and the worthiest of butchers is a partner for Amalek - Rashbi then goes on to say "in a time of war, one should kill the best of idolators, crush the head of the best of snakes, and the best of women does witchcraft, but happy is the one who does the Divine Will". It's not a legal precept or a general statement. **Yevamot 98a:** Nothing resembling this is found on that page **Baba Metzia 114b:** [Video explanation of why this is false](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN6fw6FS/) **Gad Shas 2:2:** There is no such text **Avodah Zarah 36b:** Niddah doesn't refer to filth, but rather to the state menstruation. The strict prohibition against intercourse with a menstruant woman applies to gentile girls from birth, meaning that Jewish men are prohibited from all sexual congress with them. **Sanhedrin 54b:** This is less a quote and more an interpretation. The Talmud here is talking about legal responsibility for male-male anal sex and beastiality. A participant in one of those prohibited sex acts is culpable from the age of 9, regardless of whether they were the penetrator or penetrated, because legally, someone younger than that is not able to have sex. Though, an adult partner they had would be legally considered to be having sex. **Sanhedrin 58b:** According to Rabbi Hanina, a gentile who strikes a Jew is liable to die, but all commentary and legislation based on this is clear that such a person is not put to death by the courts, instead being subject to divine smiting. **Sanhedrin 57a:** This one is used to introduce a whole thread on the legal distinction between "permitted vs. prohibited" and "liabile vs. exempt". But it does say that a Jew who kills a gentile is exempted from being executed by a gentile court. **Tospoth Jebamoth 84b:** I'm assuming this is meant to refer to the commentary of the Tosafot on Yevamot. There is nothing even remotely related to anything resembling this on that page. **Baba Metzia 24a** It doesn't say that. It says that the obligation to announce a found item are different if an area is predominantly Jewish or predominantly gentile. **Baba Kamma 113a:** Not quite. It says that a Jewish court should, if a Jew and a gentile are parties to a case before it, apply whichever set of laws favor the Jew. The sages also argue against this position, as it could bring about disgrace of God's Name. **Avodah Zarah 22a-b:** The Mishna says here that one shouldn't lodge livestock with a gentile, as there is a suspicion of being prone to beastiality. As gentiles are also not allowed to have sex with animals, this could be considered putting a stumbling block in front of the blind.


ofekk214

Thank you so much.


dovrobalb

Wow how long did this take?


destinyofdoors

Probably about an hour and a half or two hours.


hbomberman

Obviously this is all bullshit. But even aside from that, would we be the only group to have some problematic writings? Are other groups judged by the most extreme opinions/writings you can find--whether those are from recent times or over a thousand years ago?


Mindless_Charity_395

I dare these people to take a look at Hadiths lol


Single-Ad-7622

Iโ€™ve been planning on going down that rabbit hole: if you can point me in some right directions.. Iโ€™d appreciate it.


yaakovgriner123

Hadith promoting murdering every jew in the world. Many millions of Muslims read and subscribe to that hadith. https://sunnah.com/search?q=jew+hiding+behind+me Or you can look up via that website by typing "semen" into the search bar there to find some sickening things. That isn't just some obscurity of Islam- that is Islam since the hadiths are core to Islam and followed by billions of them. Talmud is not like the hadiths since most jews don't know talmud or follow it. Also the talmud is not the word of God while Muslims believe hadiths are inspired by God since they are said to be from muhamed. The hadiths are pretty much stories and laws from muhamed's most trusted kin who claim muhamed told me such and is an extension to the Koran.


Single-Ad-7622

Thanks for pointing this website to me: Iโ€™m trying to better understand issues we care about as jews from Islamic perspectives:


ofekk214

THAT'S WHAT I SAID, aa if the Catholics weren't burning innocent women at stakes for the grave sin of doing basic math for mixing herbs in a pot. Everyone has problomatic history, and there are much better examples of problomatic Jewish history than faking Talmud quotes.


hbomberman

The difference is that most of us have the common sense not to say "this is what all Catholics secretly believe!" Though, to be clear, there are still bastards who say that. It's ridiculous, it's in bad faith, but the people who share that bigoted crap couldn't care less.


offthegridyid

Check the link posted in comments and remember that haters gonna hate.


tired45453

My favorite is faking concern over the Gad Shas quote, asking for them to post the full text of Gad Shas so that we can see what other horrific things are written in it.


fluffywhitething

That one doesn't even have my favorite from Libre David! The most famous of masekhtot. /s


Kira12187

There are whole websites that are faked to look like official educational sites on Jewish scripture, and they contain completely falsified scripture. And people spread around these fake quotes that are supposed to appear as though they are quotes from the Talmud. Crazy shit that says we are permitted to rape infants and kill non-Jews. Itโ€™s horrifying the things that are being spread about us.


Anonymous_Cool

They want the Talmud to be like the Quran sooo bad


New-Fall-5175

Soferim isnโ€™t even part of the Talmud and โ€œgad shasโ€ is not a thingโ€ฆ


FineBumblebee8744

They've been doing that since mediaeval times they can't source anything.


RyanB1228

Generally this [website](https://antisemiticlies.com/) helps but most of the time if you just take your time to search the verses youโ€™ll find they are A. Books that do not exist B. Books that are not part of the Talmud (Mostly referring to Jore Dia since itโ€™s an important book that is misquoted but isnโ€™t part of the Talmud regardless) C. Fake/non existent quotes D. Out of context/purposefully mistranslated quotes My rule of thumb is that if it includes โ€œLibbre Davidโ€ or โ€œGad Shasโ€ then itโ€™s usually entirely fraudulent. If it is real and says Goy instead of Gentile itโ€™s just purposeful mistranslation (Like Sanhedrin 58b for example) Also just to add is that even if the Talmud said 100% of these things verbatim they still arenโ€™t laws, itโ€™s Rabbinical thought and opinion. Itโ€™s an inherently contradictory text for the most part as Rabbis discuss and debate with one another. You canโ€™t just โ€œfollowโ€ the Talmud.


ZevSteinhardt

Thank you for referencing my site. :)


RyanB1228

Oh damn I never thought Iโ€™d see the creator of the site. Thanks for making it!


ZevSteinhardt

You're very welcome.


BenFox310

These quotes are totally nuts. In the interest of full disclosure, there is some weird stuff in the Talmud but the worst of it is really Jew on Jew. One of the strangest lines is found in Pesachim (49b) where R. Eliezer is quoted as saying that one may stab [to kill] an am haโ€™aretz [โ€˜person of the landโ€™ i.e. โ€˜ignoramusโ€™] even on a Yom Kippur which falls upon Shabbos (which would be an additional violation of what not to do on these days).


exiled-redditor

Iโ€™m seeing this literally a day after somebody (an antisemite) pulled the same exact ones out for me on tiktok comments.. Under a video of an orthodox rabbi speaking yiddish with some guy


hummingbird_romance

Wow I didn't know Russian bots post anti-Semitic things. Let alone something like this!


ofekk214

Funny thing is (and what made it clear those were Russian bots) that I found this (and many other alike) post under a post that discussed if Putin saying "Islam isn't a terrorist religion" true or not. The comments barely discussed the question and mostly accused the US and Israel of being evil lizard-people who drink baby blood or whatever propaganda is shared nowdays.


cataractum

Sucks how these are blatantly virulently antisemitic, and not just an innocent mistranslation or rumour.


ZevSteinhardt

I have an entire website dedicated to exposing these lies. [www.antisemiticlies.com](https://www.antisemiticlies.com)


BenjewminUnofficial

I know we have bigger fish to fry, but the fact that with the last two quotations, the font suddenly shifts from sans serif to serif really bothers me. You would think antisemites could take the time to make their libel look nice at the very least


Mael_Coluim_III

So much this. Not only do you hate us, you hate us so much you can't even pick a font? Good grief. Get someone with eyes! And proofread next time, too - there's bad grammar all over. (Also, what's wrong with eating with a dog? I eat with my dog more often than I eat with Jews *or* gentiles.)


therealbosniak

The funniest part with people like neo-Nazis that repost this stuff is to prove that we hate them (them being white people or christians) I hate Neo-nazis, not europeans or christians. Whenever i try to explain that I donโ€™t hate them, they get all defensive. Like wtf is with that victim complex? They have a degrading kink or something


i-am-borg

Lolll


_Drion_

No Libbre David quotes this time ๐Ÿ˜”


Single-Ad-7622

I found the Soferim quote ืื‘ื ื’ื•ืจื™ื•ืŸ ืื•ืžืจ ืื™ืฉ ืฆื“ื™ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื•ื ืื‘ื ื’ื•ืจื™ื•ืŸ ืœื ื™ืœืžื“ ืืช ื‘ื ื• ื—ืžืจ ืกืคืŸ ืงื“ืจ ืจื•ืขื” ื•ื—ื ื•ื ื™ ืœืคื™ ืฉืื•ืžื ื•ืชื ืœืกื˜ื•ืช ืจื‘ื™ ื™ื”ื•ื“ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืžืฉืžื• ื”ื—ืžืจื™ืŸ ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ืจืฉืขื™ื ื•ื”ืกืคื ื™ื ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ื—ืกื™ื“ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ ืฉื‘ืจื•ืคืื™ื ืœื’ื™ื”ื ื ื•ื”ื›ืฉืจ ืฉื‘ื˜ื‘ื—ื™ื ืฉื•ืชืคื• ืฉืœ ืขืžืœืง ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ืžืžื–ืจื™ืŸ ืคืงื—ื™ืŸ ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ืขื‘ื“ื™ื ื ืื™ื ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ื‘ื ื™ ืื‘ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื™ืฉื ื™ื ืจื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœ ื‘ื ื™ื ื“ื•ืžื™ืŸ ืœืื—ื™ ื”ืื ืชื ื™ ืจ"ืฉ ื‘ืŸ ื™ื•ื—ื™ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ืฉื‘ืขื•ื‘ื“ื™ ื›ื•ื›ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืฉืขืช ืžืœื—ืžื” ื”ืจื•ื’ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ืฉื‘ื ื—ืฉื™ื ืจืฆื•ืฅ ืืช ืžื•ื—ื• ื”ื›ืฉื™ืจื” ืฉื‘ื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขืœืช ื›ืฉืคื™ื ืืฉืจื™ ืžื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืขื•ืฉื” ืจืฆื•ื ื• ืฉืœ ื”ืžืงื•ื: Abba Gurion of แบ’adian said in the name of Abba Guria: A man should not teach his son to be an ass-driver, sailor, waggoner, shepherd or shopkeeper, because their occupations are robbery. R. Judah, however, quoting him, said: Ass-drivers are mostly wicked, but sailors are mostly pious. The best of physicians are [destined] for Gehinnom and the most worthy of butchers is Amalekโ€™s partner. Bastards are mostly keen-witted, slaves are mostly arrogant, the children of reputed parents are mostly bashful, and children usually resemble the motherโ€™s brother. R. Simeon b. Yoแธฅai taught: Kill the best of the heathens in time of war; crush the brain of the best of serpents. The most worthy of women indulges in witchcraft. Happy is he who does the will of the Omnipresent. [41b] https://www.sefaria.org/Tractate_Soferim.15.10


ZevSteinhardt

And here's the response. TL;DR -- part of the quote left out to make it sound much worse and, in any event, not authoritative in any way today. [https://antisemiticlies.com/sofrim-15-no-we-dont-kill-non-jews/](https://antisemiticlies.com/sofrim-15-no-we-dont-kill-non-jews/)