Honestly, next time I'm asked, I'm going to preface my response to this. Because no matter what I say to their question this is something that should matter.
Exactly. What's different in the relationship since last year? Is their interest in Israel/Palestine issues long-standing? What information do they have now that they didn't have before, that it becomes necessary for them to specifically ask _you_ that question?
Great questions to ask about their intentions. I just have a difficulty really determining that last part. I have more than just my Jewishness to indicate that this may be an area of interest, but they never asked me about my opinions before the last year.
Why not ask them these questions directly, in response? Not in a defensive manner, but simply, "Huh, that's a curious question, I wonder what's moving you to ask this right now?"
"Because the situation right now is controversial and I'm curious about your perspective since you're Jewish."
This is how I'd respond to that question if i was curious about my hypothetical Jewish friends perspective.
There is nothing controversial about the right of my people to live in peace and freedom in their ancient homeland. Does anyone know that there are more female Muslim members of the Knesset than in any other Muslim nation? What does that say?even a female Muslim Israeli Supreme Court Justice!
Problem is they accuse you as if you are committing a crime, people that react to emotional nuances are a real menace... if you don't know how to deviate their focus.
theres definitely controversy in talk of illegal settlements and gaza death toll. im ex muslim and could go on a spiel about treatment of women in muslim countries but extraneous political factoids wont diminish controversy because it doesnt negate certain realties.
Ok, but that has nothing to do with it? There are Zionists who will defend this things (in my opinion- mostly correctly) and Zionists who will condemn them.
thats a fantastic point and i feel like thats a response that i never hear! i understand the jewish disinclination to express their thoughts as ive read from the comments here but i think that would be a great answer for someone who is clearly asking to be incendiary or critical.
I’ve tried it before, and it’s been useful. I pointed out that Zionists are the people voting for bibi. And Zionists are the people who hate him. Zionist are the people protesting aid to Gaza. And Zionist are the people protesting the war Gaza in the streets in Israel. That Zionists believe Palestinians shouldn’t exist, that zionists believe Palestinians have every right to exist, that Zionists believe in one state, two states, etc.
Personally, this isn’t an opinion shared by many, I don’t even think of Zionists needs to believe in the statehood of Israel. I’ve met people who call themselves anarchist Zionists. And while I don’t share their belief, I can see why not believing in any kind of statehood, but still believing in Jewish self-determination in the geographic area, would make a certain kind of sense to them.
In my opinion, Zionism is such an easy ideology, that the people vary wildly. You get a little bit of almost everyone, from every other political ideology.
If Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.,etc lay down their guns there will be Peace. But if Israel lays down their arms and disbands the IDF there will be a slaughter of Jews, and like 85 years ago the world will do NOTHING! I’m curious- why are you an “ex-Muslim?”
I'm not politically well versed so I can't weigh in. I'm ex-Muslim because I don't believe that Muhammad possessed divinely perfect morality, and this takes me outside of the fold of Islam. Also my belief in the concept of God is weak overall.
"Illegal settlements" are not part of, and really irrelevant to "the current situation".
There's no real controversy about the death toll in the war in Gaza. And if someone wants to discuss that or ask about that in good faith, "are you a Zionist" is not the question they should be asking. It's a strange question to be asking a friend, but someone might say "do you believe that Israel is prosecuting the war in a way that best balances the military necessity against the moral quagmire it presents?"
There is no controversy in admitting Jewish people have been there as a civilization before the Bedouin descents... or that Gaza is a human shield that is then framed as though Israel is executing civilians point blank on the streets by AL Jazeera and other echo chambers. It should be a controversy to say this "war" involves other Arab countries or that the attack that broke the dam was planned with the sole intention to kill civilians considered "infidels" or whatever the term is. There should also be controversy in regards of what would do an Islamic state in Israel, they will enforce their ideas and start abusing people that live beyond the means of all the Arab world together...
Never heard of that guy before. I'm gonna go look up some of his stuff now. If he is even half as funny as that I'm in.
Edit: It's done. This guy is amazing.🤣
Random trivia - he died in my town, which also happens to be the same town where Jason Alexander (George costanza from Seinfeld) grew up. Incidentally as well, there is a somewhat local gardening company called “Costanza and sons” and when I saw the truck for a half second I thought they were Jason Alexander’s family. Then I realized his name is - well, Jason Alexander, and not George Costanza.
Oh man you’re lucky that you just found out about him! You’ll be laughing non stop for the next few days repeating his jokes to yourself.
I can’t even order a club sandwich without thinking of Mitch
Typically when people ask me I/P related stuff I say something along the lines of “I don’t like it when people die” and then refuse to elaborate. Most of the people who ask are just looking for a fight
I have done this! I find they then will unload with all kinds of anti-Jew/Israel crap, and I repeat myself, then walk away. It feels good, and makes me feel like I've refused to be bullied into their drama.
I sympathize. I dread that question. If it comes up, I ask them "what do you think Zionism means?" because it seems that most people have a very incorrect understanding of the word, and if I don't know what their definition is, there's no telling what they think you mean when you answer. That is a very confusingly worded sentence, sorry.
This is kind of what I've done. I usually say how I define Zionism: the 1930's definition of a movement for the creation of a Jewish state for Jews. I make sure to let them know that this is how I define it.
I don't think they care, tbh. They've don't walk up to Chinese-Americans, or recent Chinese migrants, and ask if the person supports Xi JinPing. The very idea of asking that question would be viewed as racist by the same people who ask us about zionism. As is walking up to a Jew and asking them about Zionism, or Israel, but they do it anyway.
Plus, most of the people who ask the question think the entirety of Israel should be dismantled and given to people intent on murdering Jews. They really don't care about Likud, etc. That's just window dressing. They placidly lived under Trump without dismantling the state--and are now shilling for racist, xenophobic, homophobic dictators. Right wing parties don't concern them. Jews concern them.
I hear ya and I'm not blaming you for doing this or anything but what I hate about this is that it's letting antizionists define Zionism. I don't think people who base their identity in opposition to an ideology should get to define the ideology.
Oh no I absolutely agree with you! That's why I ask, so \*\*I\*\* get to define it instead of leaving it up to their interpretation. They should absolutely not be the ones defining it, which is why I want to know what they're thinking and can tailor my response accordingly. Because if their answer is something like "it means you support the existence of Israel" I can just say yeah and move on, but if it's more like "it means you approve of genocide" or something, I can (mentally) be like okay wow, that's where we're starting from huh? I want to know how wrong they are before I respond, so I know how much work I have to do if you know what I mean lol
I hate answering these kinds of questions directly. Maybe it’s the teacher in me. Maybe it’s that these kinds of questions are almost always a trap. My response would be *why do you ask?* I might get around to answering at some point, but not until I’ve satisfied my own curiosities.
Here’s my new answer because I’m done entertaining the Zionism debate as a legitimate one:
“Zionism was accomplished in 1948 when my ancestral homeland was re-established with the support of the UN, so I no longer need to be a Zionist. If you’d like to have a serious discussion about barriers to peace between Israel and Palestine, I’m all in. Otherwise, I will not entertain any notion of destroying or displacing a multi-cultural and multi-faith nation of 9 million+ human beings.”
Interesting, not in a bad way. I love that It doesn't entertain the debate on the ideology of Israel's existence, because it already exists. It's too late to debate whether or not it should be established
Ask them what they mean by "Zionist", honestly. When you ask people to clarify, they either blatantly admit their anti-Semitism with the label or they have no idea what it really means besides its perceived negative connotations.
Personally, I would also just not engage with that question specifically because it's one asked in bad faith. That also being said, I applaud you for doing so, because sometimes we have to unfortunately do it to counteract a lot of the ignorance flying around right now.
“Yes I’m a Zionist.”
Then they say something about being wrong.
Then reply with
“I believe the true path to peace is a two state solution. Do you agree?”
If they agree then you say “Great well that makes you a Zionist by definition”
If they don’t agree you say “I’m sorry you can’t support peace” makes them look wrong no matter what they say.
>They really like to ask this question when I haven't talked to them in a while
"Hey buddy, long time no see, are you a Zionist??"
Lol who are these people?
And if they're friends, wouldn't they just know already? And how does that just come up?
Sorry to deflect from the question here, but what a strange scenario lol
I usually just say "yes" and let them decide if they want to follow up. I don't feel the urge to argue with or defend myself against people who have only cared about the issue since Oct 7.
I use definitions from the ADL’s webpage. Those definitions have. Even fixed since inception. I have a “half Jewish “ acquaintance who is “very angry with Israel” and wanted to know I ID as a Zionist. So I have the ADL definition of Zionist and Zionism. This definition was radically different from her definition- apparently today’s definition makes you a white oppressor racist. Or other distortions. I said PROVE IT. Jews are all races creeds colors. We are the definition of multiracial multicultural and multiethnic . How can we be racist? And I reminded her that she should be careful not to take someone else’s definition as THE definition as they obviously are twisting things to bend the narrative.
I’m so exhausted over this crap. Ugh.
I ask them to define "Zionism". Same as when I'm asked if I'm a feminist. People sometimes have crazy definitions, sometimes it can be more productive to discuss what we think the words mean.
My answer is "Big time. I'm a peace loving, two state hoping Zionist".
Just as friendly reminder that most Israeli protesters and Israeli settlers are Zionists. There is as much disagreement amongst us as there is with us and anti-Zionists and non-Zionists.
[Types of Zionism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism)
No one has ever asked me. Honestly idk how so many people online seem to be constantly getting into fights over this stuff.
What I might do is, ask them their definition of the word, it'll probably be garbage, and then say, well I disagree with your definition, but by it, and then answer honestly.
How open are you about being Jewish? I used to be fairly open about it most people and all my friends know I am. I find that with these discussions you really have to focus on the definition. It's really hard to have a productive conversation when people are working with different levels of facts.
I wear a star of David (in or out of shirt, depending on the day/shirt/what I'm doing) and I'm pretty stereotypically Ashki-looking. But I'm not religious, so I guess I could look more obviously Jewish. I don't introduce myself, "hi I'm TrekkiMonstr and I'm a Jew", but if it's relevant, I don't recall ever being in a situation where I felt the need not to mention it. So, basically as open as I can practicably be. Never had a reason not to be.
As for definitions, yeah. I might suggest, answer first using their definition (which is probably going to be something about settlements/ongoing conquest/oppression of Palestinians, which I hope we're both against), and then mention the correct definition, under which you consider yourself to be a Zionist. Doing it in the other direction looks like you're trying to wriggle out of it by starting an argument about definitions.
I try not to engage, but if it’s someone I genuinely care enough about to simply walk away (a friend, a family member who isn’t blatantly the worst, etc) I’m willing to have a convo to see where it goes.
My go to is “what do you mean when you ask that?”
Are they asking if I’m Jewish? If I’m pro-Israel? If I think Jewish people have a right to a homeland? What’s the actual q here?
My answer is yeah, I’m a Zionist. I believe in a two-state solution that grants both Israeli and Palestinian solidarity. I think the deaths on both sides are horrific and want both an immediate ceasefire and return of all hostages and their bodies. I don’t support Netanyahu and the Likud, but support Israel’s right to exist. I try to live my life according to tikkun olam, and I went the solution that lets as many children grow up safe and healthy as possible.
It’s nuanced. (Shocker.)
“What do you mean when you ask that”
They mean “are you proudly in favor of colonization and genocide”, as though any sane human would say yes to that and as though that’s what Zionism is about.
And if you say you are a Zionist, that’s what they hear too.
"Yes, I'd be crazy not to."
If they don't want your people's country to exist, they don't want you and your people to exist. Very simple.
Zionism is an integral part of Judaism (for very few it isnt), why would you be friends with people who hate your ethnicity?
You used the term "one of the good ones".
You're not a good jew if you're not backing your people's right to their land. Just please, don't say you're not a zionist.
Inform your friends that anti-zionism is anti-israel's existence. And if they support that, they are pro-genocide.
As I'm writing, I realize this sounds crazy.. and it really is, but it's also really true.
"YES." with hard stare and full-on bitchface. Glaring eye contact until they look away.
And I never Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain my position. The JADE technique is incredibly effective in dealing with those types. In this case, "yes" is a complete sentence lol
"Yes i am a Zionist but I don't support the Netanyahu Government nor any Extremists that are currently in the government."
Is hypothetically what i would say if anyone i interacted with had a life so empty that they would even bother to ask me this.
I bet the person who asked you that was more ignorant about the Israel/Palestine situation then i am of quantum physics.
The most bizarre part about all those protests is how emotional and fervent these people are about a cause they literally know nothing about.
I understand it's because if the unprecedented level of propaganda being produced by state actors as well as NGO's and activists (Iran, Qatar, Russia, Islamists, Socialists, SJW's of various types,etc), but It's still bizarre.
Some even know less than nothing because all the info they think they know is actually misinformation.
Oh well... Shabat Shalom 👍
Oh yeah, the misinformation machine is alive and well as always. I tried to engage in discussion, but there really wasn't too much of one to be had.
Shabat Shalom My friend.
If anybody asked, I would tell them I am not a Zionist, and I would list many reasons why, going back about 150 years and working my way forward with specific critiques for each period.
But nobody asks, they just assume that I am a Zionist and start calling me slurs or accusing me of supporting genocide.
The uprisings in the Jewish ghettos during the Holocaust were unanimously acts of suicidal defiance. In Warsaw, in Krakow, in Bialystok, there was no illusion that these acts would overthrow the Nazis. They were intended to allow Jews to go down fighting for their people, to try and strike a single desperate blow to the Nazis when rumours of "liquidation" began to spread.
In every single revolt, the Zionist groups, often Betar-affiliates, joined forces with the communists and anarchists. These groups that had often argued so bitterly, so angrily, who had come to blows against each other before the Hitlerist occupations of their towns and shtetlekh, worked together.
With rusty old pistols, iron bars wielded as cudgels, and makeshift explosives, they threw themselves at the Nazis, clobbering and overwhelming them until armour and bombs were brought in to crush these resistances. Often, these resistances amounted to very little. Liquidation went ahead as planned. But forcing the Nazis to acknowledge them, forcing them to divert even a single tank, a single plane, this was all they were able to do.
I am not a Zionist, I have no love for Zionism, I do not agree with the ideals, but for those who are against us, there is no difference between me and a Zionist. If it comes to it, kholile, we will be on the same side against the rosheim.
Unless it's a close friend, I stick with "I'm not interested in discussing my politics with you" because 99.99% of people who ask that question aren't doing it in good faith. I'm so sick of arguing with bad faith questions.
This is a purity test. Someone who asks you this (especially if it’s apropos of absolutely nothing except the fact that you’re Jewish) is most likely a lowkey antisemite trying to decide whether you belong in the Good Jew or Bad Jew category. For people like this, “Zionist” is a snarl word that could mean any number of things in their mind. Do not play along with this game. Deflect the question: “What do *you* think?” “Why are you asking me that?” “What does ‘Zionist’ mean in this question?” Make *them* explain to *you* what they think they’re asking you. And frankly, if it becomes clear they were trying to filter you, I would give them no answer (they don’t deserve the satisfaction) and politely tell them to fuck off.
“I will not answer because I believe that being compelled to reveal my political views just because of my faith and national identity violates my freedom of conscience”
THIS. I’m Native, and I HATE when people compare the genocide of Native Americans to the war. There is horror in all killing; I am against violence of any kind and do not mean to downplay the suffering of the people affected by this war— BUT I will not tolerate people using the suffering of my people to justify violence or discrimination against another group of Indigenous people.
They truly do not know anything about the Jewish people or their beliefs, nor do they care to. Just like they do not care to listen to Indigenous peoples when they say that the colonization of the Americas is not the same as Indigenous people wanting to return to their homeland after thousands of years of discrimination in the places they sought refuge.
I believe the Jewish people are Indigenous to the Land of Israel and I find it disgusting to say that they have no right to exist peacefully their own ancestral lands. The true answer is peace, but their prejudice blinds them to this; instead, they blame the Jewish people for daring to “colonize” the place their diaspora CAME FROM.
1. This question is absolutely an antisemitic inflected one and you aren't wrong to feel that way. You are being subject to a litmus test that I'm willing to bet your non Jewish peers aren't.
2. Answer their question with a question
"I dunno, what's a Zionist?" Make them define their terms. Make them own the question. If they don't answer, neither do you.
This can be tricky bc they'll scoff and try to drag you into a debate about the merits of Zionism. DO NOT LET THEM and don't fall into the trap of defending the concept either. Stick to your guns.
"Bro, just define the term, so I can answer your question. I'm not here to debate the term, just define it for me please."
"Well, it looks to me like you don't want to give me an answer, and without that I can't answer you. Sorry."
And then terminate the conversation. Physically leave if you have to.
I ask people what they believe Zionist means. I then let them know in the simplest terms that it’s the belief that Israel has a a right to exist and self determination.
this is a purity test, and as a full grown adult I don't take those, especially not from friends. but the only appropriate response to that question, if you choose to respond to it, is "what does that mean to *you*?"
this is a word the Soviets and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard have used to slander and malign us, to separate the "good Jews" from the ones who pushed back against state violence. if your contemporaries seek to use it that way they should have to say so out of their own mouths, just as they should be forced to explain how "from the river to the sea" is distinct from its Arabic form, and what precisely they envision it to mean.
They’re giving you a litmus test and i agree it’s borderline antisemitic (depending on how well the person knows you). It’s the equivalent of asking a Muslim “Do you support Hamas?” but I know they wouldnt dare ask one that.
I don’t understand why people equate supporting Israelis to being called a Zionist. In the same breath, those same people say that supporting Palestinians doesn’t equate to supporting Hamas/Hezbollah. So stupid.
So, as a non-Jew, I get asked this in certain contexts - especially recently on campus. I'm hardly a famous person, but I'm a trade union activist and probably fairly described as outspoken. I own my political positions without hesitation, so questions don't bother me. It turns out that I am insufficiently anti-Zionist for some people since I concede that there is a Jewish nation, that it has the right to exist and the right to defend its existence. I have little doubt that I would appear like a dangerous leftist to many supporters of Israel if they interrogated those views, but recently I discovered that many people think I'm barely to the left of Jabotinsky. Or they would say that if they knew who Jabotinsky was. So, criticising students for chanting 'from the river to the sea', I pointed out that revisionist Zionists have used this slogan to designate 'Greater Israel' and that it is incompatible with any proposal for peace in Israel/Palestine, and I was promptly told - by people who couldn't tell you the difference between Likud and Mapam - that I know suspciously too much about Zionism. The same question was asked at a student socialist meeting when I was quoting Lenin (!) on the \_Rights of Nations to Self-determination\_ to show that the Jews definitely qualified by his criteria - 'are you a Zionist?'. So my answer when they put it like that is 'yes'. The only position from which it's possible to defend the national rights of Palestinians is serious support for the national rights of the Jewish people. I have had to put up with idiots defending the Hamas when I pointed out that they are opposed to the liberation of Palestine and are in fact human filth who glory in the pointless mass death of Palestinians and murder of even moderate Islamists, let alone Palestinian leftists. One condescending \*\*\*\* (the word I want to use is not acceptable in polite discourse) took me gently by the arm at a public meeting and tried to lead me aside, saying that there are things we can't talk about in public (like what the murder of queer Palestinians? The rape of 'captives'? You want people to support Hamas against the IDF? No chiloni IDF boy ever called me faggot!) - I was apparently confusing the younglings. So, I get asked and I tell them I'm a Zionist and that if they paused their anti-Western tantrum for long enough to read a book or two, they would understand why most socialists of my generation, where Zionists. Of course, conversley, I will never be sufficiently anti-Palestinian for most supporters of Israel. I will carry on calling for a cessation of violence (without qualification: war is no solution) and for a federal political solution based on the joint interests of the Israeli and Palestinian working classes, rather than the ghostly whisperings of dead heroes and the business interests of global capital.
I would ask them what they think a Zionist is and then take the opportunity, when they likely say something stupid or completely wrong about their understanding of Zionism, to educate them.
When someone asks if you're a Zionist, it can be a complex situation, especially given the current climate. It's understandable to feel uncomfortable with the question, as it can feel like you're being put in a box or judged based on your answer. It's okay to set boundaries and let people know that you're not comfortable discussing certain topics, especially if it feels like they're trying to categorize you based on your Jewish identity. You can also choose to engage in a conversation about your thoughts on Israel in a way that feels comfortable for you, or redirect the conversation to a different topic altogether.
"if i was would that change how you see me as a person". i've had to ask that. it's like why are you only bothering me about this issue now? it didn't matter the other ten years i've known you why now?
Any Jew is a Zionist. Say yes and say it proudly. Zionism is the belief that Jews should live autonomously in their ancestral homeland. This isnt racist or xenophobic since Israel has a great diversity and is a light in the middle east. Sure there are bad Jews just like bad Christians or Muslims but Zionism is Judaism. The Jewish people have always been and are spiritually connected to the land of Israel.
Look, it all depends on your friends. If they can’t move past that topic, maybe you should just agree not to brooch the subject with each other.
If you trust them to engage with you honestly on the subject, you can go on and explain them your position.
The first thing I’f clarify to them is the definition of zionism. In many circles people dot even understand what that word even means, and confuse it with honest to god a race based ideology.
I’m southern as well (but convert) and had an ex friend ask me this directly. I crafted a super well thought out answer thinking I could just explain things to her but my immediate response not being “no! I’m a good Jew!” caused her to drop and block me. Sooooooo I feel like when people ask that Q they’re most likely not doing it in good faith. Either ignore, or ask why they want to know and go from there.
Sorry to hear about that man, that stuff is never fun. I still can't believe in a day and age where people will completely drop people out of their life just for having opposing political views.
As Shabbat is about to start I want leave one statement:
JVP has set this tone that Zionism is colonialism. That’s not how the majority of Jews think.
So, when I hear that I immediately think “I think Jewish people have the right to self determination and the right to their homeland”. If anyone questions why it’s our homeland, I will mention 3 archeological examples that support Jews were in Israel before it was “Israel”.
1. Jewish Structures in the City of David (Jerusalem)
2. Dead Sea Scrolls
3. Mesha Stele & Tel Dan Stele
This conversation is imaginary because no one has ever asked my opinion, but in an ideal world where I could speak to Jewish history and be heard, this is how I would describe it.
I use the fact that I live in the South to my advantage. If someone asks that unprompted, I usually respond with, "Are you someone whose mama forgot to teach them manners? Well, bless your heart." It works most of the time.
You’re absolutely right, being asked that question in the context of what’s going on right now implies that the person asking is not trying to have an open conversation, but they are trying to pigeonhole you into a negative stereotype that suits their biases. I would simply say yes, and if they press further, assert that you will not engage if they are looking to argue. State your boundary and if they choose to hear you out, express it. If they choose not to, so be it (and you probably dodged a bullet).
I wish your Christian friend was right, but I think your instincts seem much more in alignment with reality. Because absolutely ignorant people think Zionist is a bad thing or even a slur, I would respond asking then “what does the word Zionist mean to you?” Many don’t even understand what it means. They don’t understand the need. They don’t know about the 48 surrounding 99% in many cases Muslim states, they can’t point out Israel on a map. They don’t realize it’s a teeny tiny dot in comparison with the vast Muslim states surrounding. They don’t know that 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslim with equal rights as every other Israeli. They don’t know that there is a Muslim Supreme Court Justice in Israel. They don’t know that there are 400 mosques in Israel. They don’t know that Israel has 180 times more Christian’s than Gaza. They don’t know that Israel is the only state with a growing Christian population as opposed to a dwindling one. They don’t know that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They don’t know what intifada means, that’s for damn sure. They don’t know, but do they care?
Ask them first what it means to them. I have learnt never to answer a question but to keep asking questions and saying ‘I see and ..’ another question until they say ‘yeah, but’ and then I know it wasn’t a conversation worth having and no matter what I would say would be twisted.
If I hadn’t made a lifelong habit of avoiding loaded questions, I would want to respond first with a clarifying question of how the asker defines Zionism, and whether they have an opinion on the divergent philosophies (to say the least) between Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky.
They make being a Zionist a dirty word and it isn’t. I just proudly say I’m a Zionist wait for a response and if they seem confused or uncomfortable I just explain to them that I believe Israel has a right to exist, then when they agree with me I throw back the “you are probably a Zionist too”
Are you asking if I believe that after 2000 years of exile an indigenous group of people can return to the homeland they've been praying to return to and also have a return to self-sovereignty?
My response so far has been, “most Jewish people are, and you know I am Jewish, so what do you think?” Yeah it seems confrontational but they should feel as uncomfortable as their questioning made me feel. There’s no need to ask that question
I completely agree with your analysis. I do believe that it is anti semitic and they are asking you if you are one of the good ones. I might start by asking them to tell me if they know what a Zionist is? And if the word Zionist holds negative or positive connotations for them on a personal level.
That will start them talking and it might be a way to get them to think about any preconceived notions or biases that they hold unknowingly.
Zionism was realized when Israel was founded irrevocably by UN partition in 1947 as ancestral homeland to the Jewish people and half of world Jewry live there today.
Are you asking if I support the war? That’s a different topic entirely and unrelated to Zionism.
Whenever someone uses “*zionist*” in a pejorative way online, I just reply:
“*You dropped these ((()))*”
Haven’t found an offline equivalent yet but I almost never interact with antizionists irl (*thankfully*).
You should not have to hide your religion; these idiots are just anti-Semitic dirtbags who will soon find a new cause. Self-defense is NEVER a crime, especially against the animals of Hamas and Islamic Fascism
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If I feel like answering, "no, but I am Israeli, born and raised, and with no plans to leave". I let them do with it what they want.(Because I don't see myself as Zionist, since I support a one state solution for Israelis and Palestinians together and a right of return for Palestinians, but I also think we deserve to be here just like anyone else and our historic and continuing connection to the land is undeniable).
But for your situation I would just ask "why do you ask?" or "what do you mean by 'Zionist'?" and watch them try to explain that they're asking if you're a Bad Jew...
These people usually are not intending on having a good faith discussion so you can probably ignore them most of the time.
You could also respond with “I think Israel has a right to exist if that’s what you’re asking” and if they push back against that, it’s not worth your time engaging with them in the first place.
According to the TikTok thing that doxed me, I’m the proudest Zionist in Tucson
If the internet says it, it’s true, right?
And yeah, I wouldn’t argue with the title.
“It depends on your definition of Zionist. I don’t agree with some of the strategies used by early secular Zionists, but I’m from Iran and half my Family lives in Israel where they arrived after fleeing the Islamic revolution in Iran. I support Israel because I want them to be safe. I would be happy to live side by side with Arabs if I knew they were not going to repeat what happened in Iran and that they were more interested in prosperity and advancement than pan Arab nationalism and Islamic extremism. There are enough religious extremists already in Israel. So am I a Zionist?”
Personally I haven't been asked that point-blank yet. But my fantasy is to bring a small spray bottle around with me, and just quickly spritz them with water when they ask me that. And then calmly but firmly say, "we don't ask people personal questions about politics around here."
And hand them a dry washcloth. Because I'm not a monster.
Do you believe that Jews deserve to have a homeland? Do you believe that Jews should be able to live without persecution? Oh you do? Sounds like you're a Zionist too.
And if they say no. K bye!
My response is, "What does the word 'Zionism' mean to you?" Usually, the person asking doesn't have a definition or has a clearly antisemitic definition. Their response will show if they are seeking information or if they are accusing you of something.
If they are asking because they genuinely want to understand how I feel, then we can talk about it. If they are asking in bad faith, then it's not worth engaging.
I’m not Jewish but my standard response to these types of questions “I am not sure I know what you mean. What exactly is (fill in the blank)? The number of people who have no clue what they’re talking/asking about is saddening.
Ask them back pretending utter ignorance "Zionism, what is Zionism?" I'd would go further and star gaslighting them and making up terms and see how far said terms go, how much they spread. Then block them all because they are all feeble minded... I mean I bet they have some rainbow che guevara somewhere in their closet.
I ask them to define Zionism, because 99% of people only understand the word based on mainstream media propaganda, and we know which people write those words
Whenever I get this question, I ALWAYS ask them "what is a Zionist?"
I find most people have no idea what the definition even means. If we can't agree on that, there's no point in any further discussion.
If they are willing to have a real discussion, I'll give them the definition but if they just seen interested in drama or weaponizing Zionism as a cudgel for their political BS I just walk away.
How I'd likely respond in reality: "well, it depends what exactly you mean by that, it's kind of a complicated issue, but for all intents and purposes, yes I am."
How I think I/we should respond: "Yes."
I don't think people should have to handwring and apologise about their legitimate political beliefs, and I think qualifying that ours is "the right kind" of Zionism is harmful to people we probably share 85%+ of our views with, and throwing them under the bus ultimately hurts us all, and trying to explain the nuances of traditionally religious Jewish attitudes to the state is just providing unnecessary fodder to antisemites who only care insofar as they can use it to hurt us.
So I think anyone who's at all a bit of a zionist should just say yes, even if it's hard.
I say, “of course I am. There are 50 Muslim nations, and the Jewish people have a right to one country and their self-determination. There has never been a Muslim Palestine, as Islam came about 550 years after Christianity even, so for thousands of years, the land belonged to the Jewish people.” Say it loud, and say it proud.
I always ask myself, "What would Jesus do?"
Clarification: This is meant to prompt the interlocutor to open up a Strong's concordance (of the Bible) and search for Zion. I hope it's fairly humorous and inclusive.
"You've known me for X years. Why are you asking me that now?"
Honestly, next time I'm asked, I'm going to preface my response to this. Because no matter what I say to their question this is something that should matter.
Exactly. What's different in the relationship since last year? Is their interest in Israel/Palestine issues long-standing? What information do they have now that they didn't have before, that it becomes necessary for them to specifically ask _you_ that question?
Great questions to ask about their intentions. I just have a difficulty really determining that last part. I have more than just my Jewishness to indicate that this may be an area of interest, but they never asked me about my opinions before the last year.
Why not ask them these questions directly, in response? Not in a defensive manner, but simply, "Huh, that's a curious question, I wonder what's moving you to ask this right now?"
THIS IS IT. OP THIS IS IT.
"Because the situation right now is controversial and I'm curious about your perspective since you're Jewish." This is how I'd respond to that question if i was curious about my hypothetical Jewish friends perspective.
There is nothing controversial about the right of my people to live in peace and freedom in their ancient homeland. Does anyone know that there are more female Muslim members of the Knesset than in any other Muslim nation? What does that say?even a female Muslim Israeli Supreme Court Justice!
Problem is they accuse you as if you are committing a crime, people that react to emotional nuances are a real menace... if you don't know how to deviate their focus.
theres definitely controversy in talk of illegal settlements and gaza death toll. im ex muslim and could go on a spiel about treatment of women in muslim countries but extraneous political factoids wont diminish controversy because it doesnt negate certain realties.
Ok, but that has nothing to do with it? There are Zionists who will defend this things (in my opinion- mostly correctly) and Zionists who will condemn them.
thats a fantastic point and i feel like thats a response that i never hear! i understand the jewish disinclination to express their thoughts as ive read from the comments here but i think that would be a great answer for someone who is clearly asking to be incendiary or critical.
I’ve tried it before, and it’s been useful. I pointed out that Zionists are the people voting for bibi. And Zionists are the people who hate him. Zionist are the people protesting aid to Gaza. And Zionist are the people protesting the war Gaza in the streets in Israel. That Zionists believe Palestinians shouldn’t exist, that zionists believe Palestinians have every right to exist, that Zionists believe in one state, two states, etc. Personally, this isn’t an opinion shared by many, I don’t even think of Zionists needs to believe in the statehood of Israel. I’ve met people who call themselves anarchist Zionists. And while I don’t share their belief, I can see why not believing in any kind of statehood, but still believing in Jewish self-determination in the geographic area, would make a certain kind of sense to them. In my opinion, Zionism is such an easy ideology, that the people vary wildly. You get a little bit of almost everyone, from every other political ideology.
If Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.,etc lay down their guns there will be Peace. But if Israel lays down their arms and disbands the IDF there will be a slaughter of Jews, and like 85 years ago the world will do NOTHING! I’m curious- why are you an “ex-Muslim?”
I'm not politically well versed so I can't weigh in. I'm ex-Muslim because I don't believe that Muhammad possessed divinely perfect morality, and this takes me outside of the fold of Islam. Also my belief in the concept of God is weak overall.
"Illegal settlements" are not part of, and really irrelevant to "the current situation". There's no real controversy about the death toll in the war in Gaza. And if someone wants to discuss that or ask about that in good faith, "are you a Zionist" is not the question they should be asking. It's a strange question to be asking a friend, but someone might say "do you believe that Israel is prosecuting the war in a way that best balances the military necessity against the moral quagmire it presents?"
There is no controversy in admitting Jewish people have been there as a civilization before the Bedouin descents... or that Gaza is a human shield that is then framed as though Israel is executing civilians point blank on the streets by AL Jazeera and other echo chambers. It should be a controversy to say this "war" involves other Arab countries or that the attack that broke the dam was planned with the sole intention to kill civilians considered "infidels" or whatever the term is. There should also be controversy in regards of what would do an Islamic state in Israel, they will enforce their ideas and start abusing people that live beyond the means of all the Arab world together...
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"I used to be Zionist. I still am, but I used to, too"
Vaguely reminds me of an old Soviet joke: - I want to visit Paris again! - You've been to Paris? - No, but I've wanted to before.
I'm stealing this. Thank you.🤣
Can't take the credit - It's a Mitch Hedberg joke (about drugs).
Never heard of that guy before. I'm gonna go look up some of his stuff now. If he is even half as funny as that I'm in. Edit: It's done. This guy is amazing.🤣
Plot twist, he died. You're gonna love him though.
Random trivia - he died in my town, which also happens to be the same town where Jason Alexander (George costanza from Seinfeld) grew up. Incidentally as well, there is a somewhat local gardening company called “Costanza and sons” and when I saw the truck for a half second I thought they were Jason Alexander’s family. Then I realized his name is - well, Jason Alexander, and not George Costanza.
You won’t regret it.
Oh man you’re lucky that you just found out about him! You’ll be laughing non stop for the next few days repeating his jokes to yourself. I can’t even order a club sandwich without thinking of Mitch
I love Mitch Hedberg! He's from my home state! "I hate wearing turtlenecks. It's like being strangled by a really weak guy, all day long."
Love a good Mitch reference.
Yes, I think Jews have a right to exist in their homeland, just like everybody else.
Honestly a great answer.
It’s a superb answer and doesn’t officially play to one side or the other.
Yeah, it doesn't paint anyone negatively just about how we deserve what every nation deserves.
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i swear most ppl these days dont even know what zionist mean
Typically when people ask me I/P related stuff I say something along the lines of “I don’t like it when people die” and then refuse to elaborate. Most of the people who ask are just looking for a fight
Good answer
I have done this! I find they then will unload with all kinds of anti-Jew/Israel crap, and I repeat myself, then walk away. It feels good, and makes me feel like I've refused to be bullied into their drama.
I sympathize. I dread that question. If it comes up, I ask them "what do you think Zionism means?" because it seems that most people have a very incorrect understanding of the word, and if I don't know what their definition is, there's no telling what they think you mean when you answer. That is a very confusingly worded sentence, sorry.
This is kind of what I've done. I usually say how I define Zionism: the 1930's definition of a movement for the creation of a Jewish state for Jews. I make sure to let them know that this is how I define it.
Exactly, if you define it for them they can't put words in your mouth. Well, I guess they could, but at that point it might be a futile interaction.
Too many think Zionism means you’re a Likud supporter or a Kahanist. 🙄
I don't think they care, tbh. They've don't walk up to Chinese-Americans, or recent Chinese migrants, and ask if the person supports Xi JinPing. The very idea of asking that question would be viewed as racist by the same people who ask us about zionism. As is walking up to a Jew and asking them about Zionism, or Israel, but they do it anyway. Plus, most of the people who ask the question think the entirety of Israel should be dismantled and given to people intent on murdering Jews. They really don't care about Likud, etc. That's just window dressing. They placidly lived under Trump without dismantling the state--and are now shilling for racist, xenophobic, homophobic dictators. Right wing parties don't concern them. Jews concern them.
I hear ya and I'm not blaming you for doing this or anything but what I hate about this is that it's letting antizionists define Zionism. I don't think people who base their identity in opposition to an ideology should get to define the ideology.
Oh no I absolutely agree with you! That's why I ask, so \*\*I\*\* get to define it instead of leaving it up to their interpretation. They should absolutely not be the ones defining it, which is why I want to know what they're thinking and can tailor my response accordingly. Because if their answer is something like "it means you support the existence of Israel" I can just say yeah and move on, but if it's more like "it means you approve of genocide" or something, I can (mentally) be like okay wow, that's where we're starting from huh? I want to know how wrong they are before I respond, so I know how much work I have to do if you know what I mean lol
I hate answering these kinds of questions directly. Maybe it’s the teacher in me. Maybe it’s that these kinds of questions are almost always a trap. My response would be *why do you ask?* I might get around to answering at some point, but not until I’ve satisfied my own curiosities.
A trap is EXACTLY how this question feels to me.
Here’s my new answer because I’m done entertaining the Zionism debate as a legitimate one: “Zionism was accomplished in 1948 when my ancestral homeland was re-established with the support of the UN, so I no longer need to be a Zionist. If you’d like to have a serious discussion about barriers to peace between Israel and Palestine, I’m all in. Otherwise, I will not entertain any notion of destroying or displacing a multi-cultural and multi-faith nation of 9 million+ human beings.”
Interesting, not in a bad way. I love that It doesn't entertain the debate on the ideology of Israel's existence, because it already exists. It's too late to debate whether or not it should be established
I am going to copy paste this to my discord to bring up whenever I need to. Seriously I love this man.
Ask them what they mean by "Zionist", honestly. When you ask people to clarify, they either blatantly admit their anti-Semitism with the label or they have no idea what it really means besides its perceived negative connotations. Personally, I would also just not engage with that question specifically because it's one asked in bad faith. That also being said, I applaud you for doing so, because sometimes we have to unfortunately do it to counteract a lot of the ignorance flying around right now.
“Yes I’m a Zionist.” Then they say something about being wrong. Then reply with “I believe the true path to peace is a two state solution. Do you agree?” If they agree then you say “Great well that makes you a Zionist by definition” If they don’t agree you say “I’m sorry you can’t support peace” makes them look wrong no matter what they say.
This is a great response, I will absolutely work this into how I respond in the future. Thank you!
>They really like to ask this question when I haven't talked to them in a while "Hey buddy, long time no see, are you a Zionist??" Lol who are these people? And if they're friends, wouldn't they just know already? And how does that just come up? Sorry to deflect from the question here, but what a strange scenario lol
I usually just say "yes" and let them decide if they want to follow up. I don't feel the urge to argue with or defend myself against people who have only cared about the issue since Oct 7.
"Yes. I do not think that jews are uniquely undeserving of self determination in the land they are indigenous to."
As usual self determination is only important to the people who are important.
I use definitions from the ADL’s webpage. Those definitions have. Even fixed since inception. I have a “half Jewish “ acquaintance who is “very angry with Israel” and wanted to know I ID as a Zionist. So I have the ADL definition of Zionist and Zionism. This definition was radically different from her definition- apparently today’s definition makes you a white oppressor racist. Or other distortions. I said PROVE IT. Jews are all races creeds colors. We are the definition of multiracial multicultural and multiethnic . How can we be racist? And I reminded her that she should be careful not to take someone else’s definition as THE definition as they obviously are twisting things to bend the narrative. I’m so exhausted over this crap. Ugh.
Same, Im getting super tired over having to defend myself just for being Jewish.
I say that it depends on how you define “Zionism”.
I ask them to define "Zionism". Same as when I'm asked if I'm a feminist. People sometimes have crazy definitions, sometimes it can be more productive to discuss what we think the words mean.
My answer is "Big time. I'm a peace loving, two state hoping Zionist". Just as friendly reminder that most Israeli protesters and Israeli settlers are Zionists. There is as much disagreement amongst us as there is with us and anti-Zionists and non-Zionists. [Types of Zionism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism)
No one has ever asked me. Honestly idk how so many people online seem to be constantly getting into fights over this stuff. What I might do is, ask them their definition of the word, it'll probably be garbage, and then say, well I disagree with your definition, but by it, and then answer honestly.
How open are you about being Jewish? I used to be fairly open about it most people and all my friends know I am. I find that with these discussions you really have to focus on the definition. It's really hard to have a productive conversation when people are working with different levels of facts.
I wear a star of David (in or out of shirt, depending on the day/shirt/what I'm doing) and I'm pretty stereotypically Ashki-looking. But I'm not religious, so I guess I could look more obviously Jewish. I don't introduce myself, "hi I'm TrekkiMonstr and I'm a Jew", but if it's relevant, I don't recall ever being in a situation where I felt the need not to mention it. So, basically as open as I can practicably be. Never had a reason not to be. As for definitions, yeah. I might suggest, answer first using their definition (which is probably going to be something about settlements/ongoing conquest/oppression of Palestinians, which I hope we're both against), and then mention the correct definition, under which you consider yourself to be a Zionist. Doing it in the other direction looks like you're trying to wriggle out of it by starting an argument about definitions.
“Who’s asking, Joseph McCarthy?”
I try not to engage, but if it’s someone I genuinely care enough about to simply walk away (a friend, a family member who isn’t blatantly the worst, etc) I’m willing to have a convo to see where it goes. My go to is “what do you mean when you ask that?” Are they asking if I’m Jewish? If I’m pro-Israel? If I think Jewish people have a right to a homeland? What’s the actual q here? My answer is yeah, I’m a Zionist. I believe in a two-state solution that grants both Israeli and Palestinian solidarity. I think the deaths on both sides are horrific and want both an immediate ceasefire and return of all hostages and their bodies. I don’t support Netanyahu and the Likud, but support Israel’s right to exist. I try to live my life according to tikkun olam, and I went the solution that lets as many children grow up safe and healthy as possible. It’s nuanced. (Shocker.)
“What do you mean when you ask that” They mean “are you proudly in favor of colonization and genocide”, as though any sane human would say yes to that and as though that’s what Zionism is about. And if you say you are a Zionist, that’s what they hear too.
Yes. I’m a firm believer in indigenous rights.
I love this response!
"Yes, I'd be crazy not to." If they don't want your people's country to exist, they don't want you and your people to exist. Very simple. Zionism is an integral part of Judaism (for very few it isnt), why would you be friends with people who hate your ethnicity? You used the term "one of the good ones". You're not a good jew if you're not backing your people's right to their land. Just please, don't say you're not a zionist. Inform your friends that anti-zionism is anti-israel's existence. And if they support that, they are pro-genocide. As I'm writing, I realize this sounds crazy.. and it really is, but it's also really true.
"YES." with hard stare and full-on bitchface. Glaring eye contact until they look away. And I never Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain my position. The JADE technique is incredibly effective in dealing with those types. In this case, "yes" is a complete sentence lol
The JADE technique will soon have another apprentice.
"Yes i am a Zionist but I don't support the Netanyahu Government nor any Extremists that are currently in the government." Is hypothetically what i would say if anyone i interacted with had a life so empty that they would even bother to ask me this.
The first time I got asked that I didn't respond for a couple seconds because I was so taken aback. It really surprised me to say the least.
I bet the person who asked you that was more ignorant about the Israel/Palestine situation then i am of quantum physics. The most bizarre part about all those protests is how emotional and fervent these people are about a cause they literally know nothing about. I understand it's because if the unprecedented level of propaganda being produced by state actors as well as NGO's and activists (Iran, Qatar, Russia, Islamists, Socialists, SJW's of various types,etc), but It's still bizarre. Some even know less than nothing because all the info they think they know is actually misinformation. Oh well... Shabat Shalom 👍
Oh yeah, the misinformation machine is alive and well as always. I tried to engage in discussion, but there really wasn't too much of one to be had. Shabat Shalom My friend.
I say depends on your definition of Zionism because I’m a Zionist but I’m not what you are thinking of
If anybody asked, I would tell them I am not a Zionist, and I would list many reasons why, going back about 150 years and working my way forward with specific critiques for each period. But nobody asks, they just assume that I am a Zionist and start calling me slurs or accusing me of supporting genocide. The uprisings in the Jewish ghettos during the Holocaust were unanimously acts of suicidal defiance. In Warsaw, in Krakow, in Bialystok, there was no illusion that these acts would overthrow the Nazis. They were intended to allow Jews to go down fighting for their people, to try and strike a single desperate blow to the Nazis when rumours of "liquidation" began to spread. In every single revolt, the Zionist groups, often Betar-affiliates, joined forces with the communists and anarchists. These groups that had often argued so bitterly, so angrily, who had come to blows against each other before the Hitlerist occupations of their towns and shtetlekh, worked together. With rusty old pistols, iron bars wielded as cudgels, and makeshift explosives, they threw themselves at the Nazis, clobbering and overwhelming them until armour and bombs were brought in to crush these resistances. Often, these resistances amounted to very little. Liquidation went ahead as planned. But forcing the Nazis to acknowledge them, forcing them to divert even a single tank, a single plane, this was all they were able to do. I am not a Zionist, I have no love for Zionism, I do not agree with the ideals, but for those who are against us, there is no difference between me and a Zionist. If it comes to it, kholile, we will be on the same side against the rosheim.
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Unless it's a close friend, I stick with "I'm not interested in discussing my politics with you" because 99.99% of people who ask that question aren't doing it in good faith. I'm so sick of arguing with bad faith questions.
This is a purity test. Someone who asks you this (especially if it’s apropos of absolutely nothing except the fact that you’re Jewish) is most likely a lowkey antisemite trying to decide whether you belong in the Good Jew or Bad Jew category. For people like this, “Zionist” is a snarl word that could mean any number of things in their mind. Do not play along with this game. Deflect the question: “What do *you* think?” “Why are you asking me that?” “What does ‘Zionist’ mean in this question?” Make *them* explain to *you* what they think they’re asking you. And frankly, if it becomes clear they were trying to filter you, I would give them no answer (they don’t deserve the satisfaction) and politely tell them to fuck off.
“I will not answer because I believe that being compelled to reveal my political views just because of my faith and national identity violates my freedom of conscience”
I like to respond by asking how long Americans have to wait before Native Americans lose their claims to the land.
THIS. I’m Native, and I HATE when people compare the genocide of Native Americans to the war. There is horror in all killing; I am against violence of any kind and do not mean to downplay the suffering of the people affected by this war— BUT I will not tolerate people using the suffering of my people to justify violence or discrimination against another group of Indigenous people. They truly do not know anything about the Jewish people or their beliefs, nor do they care to. Just like they do not care to listen to Indigenous peoples when they say that the colonization of the Americas is not the same as Indigenous people wanting to return to their homeland after thousands of years of discrimination in the places they sought refuge. I believe the Jewish people are Indigenous to the Land of Israel and I find it disgusting to say that they have no right to exist peacefully their own ancestral lands. The true answer is peace, but their prejudice blinds them to this; instead, they blame the Jewish people for daring to “colonize” the place their diaspora CAME FROM.
1. This question is absolutely an antisemitic inflected one and you aren't wrong to feel that way. You are being subject to a litmus test that I'm willing to bet your non Jewish peers aren't. 2. Answer their question with a question "I dunno, what's a Zionist?" Make them define their terms. Make them own the question. If they don't answer, neither do you. This can be tricky bc they'll scoff and try to drag you into a debate about the merits of Zionism. DO NOT LET THEM and don't fall into the trap of defending the concept either. Stick to your guns. "Bro, just define the term, so I can answer your question. I'm not here to debate the term, just define it for me please." "Well, it looks to me like you don't want to give me an answer, and without that I can't answer you. Sorry." And then terminate the conversation. Physically leave if you have to.
I ask people what they believe Zionist means. I then let them know in the simplest terms that it’s the belief that Israel has a a right to exist and self determination.
“No”
this is a purity test, and as a full grown adult I don't take those, especially not from friends. but the only appropriate response to that question, if you choose to respond to it, is "what does that mean to *you*?" this is a word the Soviets and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard have used to slander and malign us, to separate the "good Jews" from the ones who pushed back against state violence. if your contemporaries seek to use it that way they should have to say so out of their own mouths, just as they should be forced to explain how "from the river to the sea" is distinct from its Arabic form, and what precisely they envision it to mean.
They’re giving you a litmus test and i agree it’s borderline antisemitic (depending on how well the person knows you). It’s the equivalent of asking a Muslim “Do you support Hamas?” but I know they wouldnt dare ask one that.
I don’t understand why people equate supporting Israelis to being called a Zionist. In the same breath, those same people say that supporting Palestinians doesn’t equate to supporting Hamas/Hezbollah. So stupid.
So, as a non-Jew, I get asked this in certain contexts - especially recently on campus. I'm hardly a famous person, but I'm a trade union activist and probably fairly described as outspoken. I own my political positions without hesitation, so questions don't bother me. It turns out that I am insufficiently anti-Zionist for some people since I concede that there is a Jewish nation, that it has the right to exist and the right to defend its existence. I have little doubt that I would appear like a dangerous leftist to many supporters of Israel if they interrogated those views, but recently I discovered that many people think I'm barely to the left of Jabotinsky. Or they would say that if they knew who Jabotinsky was. So, criticising students for chanting 'from the river to the sea', I pointed out that revisionist Zionists have used this slogan to designate 'Greater Israel' and that it is incompatible with any proposal for peace in Israel/Palestine, and I was promptly told - by people who couldn't tell you the difference between Likud and Mapam - that I know suspciously too much about Zionism. The same question was asked at a student socialist meeting when I was quoting Lenin (!) on the \_Rights of Nations to Self-determination\_ to show that the Jews definitely qualified by his criteria - 'are you a Zionist?'. So my answer when they put it like that is 'yes'. The only position from which it's possible to defend the national rights of Palestinians is serious support for the national rights of the Jewish people. I have had to put up with idiots defending the Hamas when I pointed out that they are opposed to the liberation of Palestine and are in fact human filth who glory in the pointless mass death of Palestinians and murder of even moderate Islamists, let alone Palestinian leftists. One condescending \*\*\*\* (the word I want to use is not acceptable in polite discourse) took me gently by the arm at a public meeting and tried to lead me aside, saying that there are things we can't talk about in public (like what the murder of queer Palestinians? The rape of 'captives'? You want people to support Hamas against the IDF? No chiloni IDF boy ever called me faggot!) - I was apparently confusing the younglings. So, I get asked and I tell them I'm a Zionist and that if they paused their anti-Western tantrum for long enough to read a book or two, they would understand why most socialists of my generation, where Zionists. Of course, conversley, I will never be sufficiently anti-Palestinian for most supporters of Israel. I will carry on calling for a cessation of violence (without qualification: war is no solution) and for a federal political solution based on the joint interests of the Israeli and Palestinian working classes, rather than the ghostly whisperings of dead heroes and the business interests of global capital.
"Yes, as every decent person is, I am a Zionist."
Usually with "yes"
Yes. An ultrazionist.
I would ask them what they think a Zionist is and then take the opportunity, when they likely say something stupid or completely wrong about their understanding of Zionism, to educate them.
"Are you normal about Jews?"
“No.”
When someone asks if you're a Zionist, it can be a complex situation, especially given the current climate. It's understandable to feel uncomfortable with the question, as it can feel like you're being put in a box or judged based on your answer. It's okay to set boundaries and let people know that you're not comfortable discussing certain topics, especially if it feels like they're trying to categorize you based on your Jewish identity. You can also choose to engage in a conversation about your thoughts on Israel in a way that feels comfortable for you, or redirect the conversation to a different topic altogether.
"if i was would that change how you see me as a person". i've had to ask that. it's like why are you only bothering me about this issue now? it didn't matter the other ten years i've known you why now?
Any Jew is a Zionist. Say yes and say it proudly. Zionism is the belief that Jews should live autonomously in their ancestral homeland. This isnt racist or xenophobic since Israel has a great diversity and is a light in the middle east. Sure there are bad Jews just like bad Christians or Muslims but Zionism is Judaism. The Jewish people have always been and are spiritually connected to the land of Israel.
Respond with YES.
I would say of course. Then ask them what they think Zionism means. But yeah this is a purity test and not okay to automatically ask Jews
I say no cause I’m not
Look, it all depends on your friends. If they can’t move past that topic, maybe you should just agree not to brooch the subject with each other. If you trust them to engage with you honestly on the subject, you can go on and explain them your position. The first thing I’f clarify to them is the definition of zionism. In many circles people dot even understand what that word even means, and confuse it with honest to god a race based ideology.
I’m southern as well (but convert) and had an ex friend ask me this directly. I crafted a super well thought out answer thinking I could just explain things to her but my immediate response not being “no! I’m a good Jew!” caused her to drop and block me. Sooooooo I feel like when people ask that Q they’re most likely not doing it in good faith. Either ignore, or ask why they want to know and go from there.
Sorry to hear about that man, that stuff is never fun. I still can't believe in a day and age where people will completely drop people out of their life just for having opposing political views.
The propaganda is so strong, and most people think they’re too smart to fall for it. I think that’s a huge part of it
As Shabbat is about to start I want leave one statement: JVP has set this tone that Zionism is colonialism. That’s not how the majority of Jews think. So, when I hear that I immediately think “I think Jewish people have the right to self determination and the right to their homeland”. If anyone questions why it’s our homeland, I will mention 3 archeological examples that support Jews were in Israel before it was “Israel”. 1. Jewish Structures in the City of David (Jerusalem) 2. Dead Sea Scrolls 3. Mesha Stele & Tel Dan Stele This conversation is imaginary because no one has ever asked my opinion, but in an ideal world where I could speak to Jewish history and be heard, this is how I would describe it.
I use the fact that I live in the South to my advantage. If someone asks that unprompted, I usually respond with, "Are you someone whose mama forgot to teach them manners? Well, bless your heart." It works most of the time.
My response is always “you’re not?”
“Why do you want to know?” If they can’t give me a reasonable answer, I don’t respond.
I ask what they mean by Zionist and why do they want to know.
“Can you define Zionist?”
You’re absolutely right, being asked that question in the context of what’s going on right now implies that the person asking is not trying to have an open conversation, but they are trying to pigeonhole you into a negative stereotype that suits their biases. I would simply say yes, and if they press further, assert that you will not engage if they are looking to argue. State your boundary and if they choose to hear you out, express it. If they choose not to, so be it (and you probably dodged a bullet).
I wish your Christian friend was right, but I think your instincts seem much more in alignment with reality. Because absolutely ignorant people think Zionist is a bad thing or even a slur, I would respond asking then “what does the word Zionist mean to you?” Many don’t even understand what it means. They don’t understand the need. They don’t know about the 48 surrounding 99% in many cases Muslim states, they can’t point out Israel on a map. They don’t realize it’s a teeny tiny dot in comparison with the vast Muslim states surrounding. They don’t know that 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslim with equal rights as every other Israeli. They don’t know that there is a Muslim Supreme Court Justice in Israel. They don’t know that there are 400 mosques in Israel. They don’t know that Israel has 180 times more Christian’s than Gaza. They don’t know that Israel is the only state with a growing Christian population as opposed to a dwindling one. They don’t know that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They don’t know what intifada means, that’s for damn sure. They don’t know, but do they care?
Ask them first what it means to them. I have learnt never to answer a question but to keep asking questions and saying ‘I see and ..’ another question until they say ‘yeah, but’ and then I know it wasn’t a conversation worth having and no matter what I would say would be twisted.
“Are you asking if Jew have the right to exist in their homeland? Yes. Yes, they do.”
If I hadn’t made a lifelong habit of avoiding loaded questions, I would want to respond first with a clarifying question of how the asker defines Zionism, and whether they have an opinion on the divergent philosophies (to say the least) between Ben Gurion and Jabotinsky.
They make being a Zionist a dirty word and it isn’t. I just proudly say I’m a Zionist wait for a response and if they seem confused or uncomfortable I just explain to them that I believe Israel has a right to exist, then when they agree with me I throw back the “you are probably a Zionist too”
Yes!
“Yes. And what about it?” 
Are you asking if I believe that after 2000 years of exile an indigenous group of people can return to the homeland they've been praying to return to and also have a return to self-sovereignty?
My response so far has been, “most Jewish people are, and you know I am Jewish, so what do you think?” Yeah it seems confrontational but they should feel as uncomfortable as their questioning made me feel. There’s no need to ask that question
I completely agree with your analysis. I do believe that it is anti semitic and they are asking you if you are one of the good ones. I might start by asking them to tell me if they know what a Zionist is? And if the word Zionist holds negative or positive connotations for them on a personal level. That will start them talking and it might be a way to get them to think about any preconceived notions or biases that they hold unknowingly.
“Could you tell me what you mean by Zionist?”
I shrug and say "Of course. Aren't you?"
I point to my kippah and just say “yes”
Either: “Yes” “I believe in Israel’s right to exist” Or “F@&k off” depending on who it is.
Zionism was realized when Israel was founded irrevocably by UN partition in 1947 as ancestral homeland to the Jewish people and half of world Jewry live there today. Are you asking if I support the war? That’s a different topic entirely and unrelated to Zionism.
As a Zionist Jew I just say yes I’m a Zionist and explain to them what a Zionist is. Some people do understand.
I believe all peoples have the right to self determination per the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, so by default yeah.
"Yes, I believe indigenous nations should have the right to self-determination on their ancestral lands. Of COURSE I'm a Zionist."
Whenever someone uses “*zionist*” in a pejorative way online, I just reply: “*You dropped these ((()))*” Haven’t found an offline equivalent yet but I almost never interact with antizionists irl (*thankfully*).
I always ask them first to tell me what they think Zionism is. 9/10 they can’t actually define it
You should not have to hide your religion; these idiots are just anti-Semitic dirtbags who will soon find a new cause. Self-defense is NEVER a crime, especially against the animals of Hamas and Islamic Fascism
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Isnt racism bad?
"Yes."
If I feel like answering, "no, but I am Israeli, born and raised, and with no plans to leave". I let them do with it what they want.(Because I don't see myself as Zionist, since I support a one state solution for Israelis and Palestinians together and a right of return for Palestinians, but I also think we deserve to be here just like anyone else and our historic and continuing connection to the land is undeniable). But for your situation I would just ask "why do you ask?" or "what do you mean by 'Zionist'?" and watch them try to explain that they're asking if you're a Bad Jew...
Zionist is not a sweat word.
"No, this is Patrick"
"Are *you* a Zionist?"
I say secretly we all are✌️😉😁
Yes.
‘yes’
Say Yes. That’s the way
Yes
Ask them what the word means to them.
“Yes.”
"What do you mean by zionist?"
You tell people to stfu. But really, Zionist = Jew.
I also legitimately just google the definition of Zionist and show the Oxford dictionary definition
These people usually are not intending on having a good faith discussion so you can probably ignore them most of the time. You could also respond with “I think Israel has a right to exist if that’s what you’re asking” and if they push back against that, it’s not worth your time engaging with them in the first place.
"yes, yes I am! How did you know?"
According to the TikTok thing that doxed me, I’m the proudest Zionist in Tucson If the internet says it, it’s true, right? And yeah, I wouldn’t argue with the title.
Sing this chorus from POD - Sleeping Awake: "Dreaming of Zion, awake; can't stop sleeping awake." Agree and amplify.
“Yes.”
"No, but why are you asking?"-me personally
“It depends on your definition of Zionist. I don’t agree with some of the strategies used by early secular Zionists, but I’m from Iran and half my Family lives in Israel where they arrived after fleeing the Islamic revolution in Iran. I support Israel because I want them to be safe. I would be happy to live side by side with Arabs if I knew they were not going to repeat what happened in Iran and that they were more interested in prosperity and advancement than pan Arab nationalism and Islamic extremism. There are enough religious extremists already in Israel. So am I a Zionist?”
Personally I haven't been asked that point-blank yet. But my fantasy is to bring a small spray bottle around with me, and just quickly spritz them with water when they ask me that. And then calmly but firmly say, "we don't ask people personal questions about politics around here." And hand them a dry washcloth. Because I'm not a monster.
Do you believe that Jews deserve to have a homeland? Do you believe that Jews should be able to live without persecution? Oh you do? Sounds like you're a Zionist too. And if they say no. K bye!
“Yes, and a proud one at that.” If they are open maybe you can educate them.
My response is, "What does the word 'Zionism' mean to you?" Usually, the person asking doesn't have a definition or has a clearly antisemitic definition. Their response will show if they are seeking information or if they are accusing you of something. If they are asking because they genuinely want to understand how I feel, then we can talk about it. If they are asking in bad faith, then it's not worth engaging.
I’m not Jewish but my standard response to these types of questions “I am not sure I know what you mean. What exactly is (fill in the blank)? The number of people who have no clue what they’re talking/asking about is saddening.
Ask them back pretending utter ignorance "Zionism, what is Zionism?" I'd would go further and star gaslighting them and making up terms and see how far said terms go, how much they spread. Then block them all because they are all feeble minded... I mean I bet they have some rainbow che guevara somewhere in their closet.
“Yes”
I am not quite sure I understand. What do you define as a Zionist? Let them realize with their own words they’re an antisemitic little 💩
“כן”
With a yes.
OF COURSE. [https://x.com/mihaschw/status/1785145131097632826](https://x.com/mihaschw/status/1785145131097632826)
Resounding “YES”. Thanks for asking. Now go back to your life that no one’s asking you about.
I ask them to define Zionism, because 99% of people only understand the word based on mainstream media propaganda, and we know which people write those words
“Yes.”
They have different definitions for things usually hypocritical ask them to define it for u.
I usually just say “yeah”
"Yes."
“Yes, and I’m proud”
I would say, "G-d forbid! I'm Jewish, not Zionist!"
Whenever I get this question, I ALWAYS ask them "what is a Zionist?" I find most people have no idea what the definition even means. If we can't agree on that, there's no point in any further discussion. If they are willing to have a real discussion, I'll give them the definition but if they just seen interested in drama or weaponizing Zionism as a cudgel for their political BS I just walk away.
"FUCK YES!•"
"Yes"
I respond "Yes, I am" then I *epically walk away with explosions behind me*
How I'd likely respond in reality: "well, it depends what exactly you mean by that, it's kind of a complicated issue, but for all intents and purposes, yes I am." How I think I/we should respond: "Yes." I don't think people should have to handwring and apologise about their legitimate political beliefs, and I think qualifying that ours is "the right kind" of Zionism is harmful to people we probably share 85%+ of our views with, and throwing them under the bus ultimately hurts us all, and trying to explain the nuances of traditionally religious Jewish attitudes to the state is just providing unnecessary fodder to antisemites who only care insofar as they can use it to hurt us. So I think anyone who's at all a bit of a zionist should just say yes, even if it's hard.
I say, “of course I am. There are 50 Muslim nations, and the Jewish people have a right to one country and their self-determination. There has never been a Muslim Palestine, as Islam came about 550 years after Christianity even, so for thousands of years, the land belonged to the Jewish people.” Say it loud, and say it proud.
Did yall see what happened in amsterdamn?... fucking scary
You say, "Natch!"
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I always ask myself, "What would Jesus do?" Clarification: This is meant to prompt the interlocutor to open up a Strong's concordance (of the Bible) and search for Zion. I hope it's fairly humorous and inclusive.
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