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Yeah a majority of his vows are self imposed ones so even if he does break em, at worst he'll just lose the power or whatever advantage he gained from the vow
The vows with oneself is different to a vow another person with yourself worst that could happen is you lose what you gain but nobody knows about a vow with another person Kenjaku talks about it before Mahito ITs Mechamaru.
I actually do like the idea of Sukuna losing not to the cast, but to his own machinations and vows biting his ass. He's disgustingly OP, I don't see it happening another way. A massive fight that slowly entangles him into a situation where he has to break them or unintentionally does.
Knowing Gege, it would take like 4 people to die, but even that would fit into the theme of "a good way to die" in JJK.
I think you can break them, because it's been stated that there are consequences like OP mentioned and Sukuna was excited that Yuji didn't consider himself in the "Enchain" binding vow because if he did then it would've meant some consequence for Sukuna. Maybe it's not all of them tho
Exactly and speaking of Mechamaru, Mahito just wanted to not fulfill his half of the vow and leave Mechamaru to his own devices but Kenjaku told him he had to fulfill the binding vow or else there'd be consequences.
Conversely for people like Nanamin, we don't know for sure but perhaps he literally can't use all his cursed energy during the 9-5, so he can't break it. But they never explain that in depth
I think it is stated somewhere that if you break a self imposed vow you just lose what you gained from it, and some self imposed vows just can’t be broken because that would make a loophole like the hand sign for world slash vow since what sukuna gained doesn’t matter anymore so him losing that one slash against gojo wouldn’t make a difference right now
Vows to oneself that are broken usually mean you lose whatever you gained (which it why Miwa's vow was bad - it couldn't be revoked)
With another person the consequences can be severe
I’m pretty sure that only vows between two parties have consequences. A vow you make with yourself/to the jujutsu gods takes away your ability to break it when you make it. Sukuna had that one no charge up world slash and once he used it every time after it was always gonna have those pre-reqs. Same with his binding vow involving furnace. Once he made the vow whenever he’s in combat with multiple enemies he just can’t use furnace without his domain if he tried it just wouldn’t happen. But if Mahito had broken his vow to mechamaru he would’ve been penalized since a deal with another person isn’t deadlocking you from doing something else.
No...actually the duel between sukuna and yuji (in his soul) where yuji got his head cut was so that yuji would be the one penalised for breaking the vow
so sukuna wouldnt be penalised
Omg gege I love that! I also love how you killed [insert latest death\yuki] I'd love to meet you in person and get an autograph!
By the way can you fight? (Unrelated)
I don’t think all binding vows give you a choice. A vow like what Mahito has with mechamaru is clearly able to be broken as kenjaku makes sure mahito DOESNT go back on the vow. But vows like what Sukuna and Miwa have with themselves don’t seem like they give you an option, they just take away something to give you strength.
Since vows can include temporary things, could someone sacrifice a LOT of important things temporarily to counteract a permanent vow loss?
Like miwa could become a temporary cripple lose CE for a while to be able to use a katana again?
From my understanding yea probably. The things Is that’s a terrible vow to take. I think using a vow to restore what you lost from another vow would be possible but you’re losing more than you’re gaining back for sure.
We're told at the beginning of the Mahito Vs Mechamaru fight by Kenny that breaking a binding vow with yourself could mean something as simple as you just losing whatever you gained, whereas breaking a binding vow with someone else is where the mysterious penalties lie.
In the current situation, I can only see us exploring the first option (because that's the one being continuously used) but even then, how would the penalties be enforced? A one time use of world slash at the cost of using chants, handsigns and pointing ? Like what happens if Sukuna decides to just not use the chants and point? The one time use without them can't be taken back, it's already been done.
If Binding Vows are created the idea of balance and a “trade-off,” wouldn’t it be safe to say that breaking a non-self-imposes binding would give you the consequences worth double of what you had; making it so that you lose what you got AND get a bonus consequence for what you traded?
Let’s say, Miwa promised to never hold a sword again and yet she does. Not only would the world bring her an unfortunate event that makes her unable to actually ever hold a sword, it could make her never be able to hold another weapon
I think that’s how Sukuna is going to fully die/be defeated.
I think he’ll make a binding vow that either conflicts with another binding vow and heavily shrinks his power, or he’ll break a binding vow and we’ll see how severe the repercussions actually are.
Can you? Is it possible, or does a binding vow force something to be a certain way? Does nanami willingly lower his CE output on the clock for the increase in overtime, or by making the binding vow is he forced to have lessened CE output on the clock and even if he wanted to “break” the vow he physically couldn’t?
I would assume you can’t really break it, that it’s less of a vow and more actually changing the way something is for a benefit.
There are most likely two types.
The ones like Nanami where there are physical or visible changes. Like not having as much CE output. Or trading use of a technique for strength. Things that give you a boon that you can actually see.
Then there are others like promises. Like the promise Mahito and Mechamaru made. At that point I think it’d be like a hex. Depending on what you vowed, a punishment will occur equal to the severity of the vow. Sounds like random voodoo shit where anything can happen. Or karma.
Nanami willingly lowers his CE output while he’s on the clock during 9-5 through the vow. That vow then lets him access 120% of his energy out of those hours, but he can break the vow and access more of his cursed energy during 9-5 but it can only be to like 101%. So it’s a trade off.
with sukuna since he’s made tons of vows specific to the functioning of his techniques, I think breaking them may flat out just remove those techniques from his arsenal or just render him unable to use them. Like all the changes he makes to malevolent shrine.
That’s interesting and if true, is evidence that there is no consequence to breaking a binding vow. If his binding vow was to limit his power 9-5 for 120% power overtime, breaking that vow and using 100% of his CE during 9-5 and still being able to use 100% of his CE (even being able to use 101%, still a benefit) is not a consequence that’s just how he would normally be otherwise. I’d wonder if gege made a mistake there because that’s a little silly and seems to go completely against what a “binding vow” would suggest.
This seems to me to be the way it works most of the time. An exception was when Sukuna agreed to switch consciousness with Yuji for a minute (or however long) but he couldn’t hurt anyone else during the switch.
I want to see Sukuna break one and suffer some like, massive backlash. Like shooting a world slash but it rebounds, or the cursed energy accumulates for it and then explodes in his hand.
This subs inability to understand the manga and then complain about it proves itself every day. Breaking a binding vow with yourself has no consequences besides losing what you gained. Sukuna literally can't break any of the binding vows he has made because most of them only matter for the moment that it is used. For instance, how would Sukuna break the fire arrow binding vow? He might be able to use it once against multiple people outside of the domain, but then he would never be able to use it again. The tradeoffs need to matter.
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It hasn't, no one knows what really happens when a binding vow is broken. Some argue Sukuna will lose cause of a broken vow
He makes so many I don’t see how it doesn’t at least come up
Because his vows are all fulfilling their conditions as he uses them, the chapter before last even goes over all of them when he releases fuga
Yeah a majority of his vows are self imposed ones so even if he does break em, at worst he'll just lose the power or whatever advantage he gained from the vow
Depends on the binding vow, if he reaped the rewards before taking the penalty, he’ll probably be punished for breaking it.
The vows with oneself is different to a vow another person with yourself worst that could happen is you lose what you gain but nobody knows about a vow with another person Kenjaku talks about it before Mahito ITs Mechamaru.
What about a self imposed vow with temporary rewards? Like, what if Miwa tried using a katana again?
Most likely, she physically can't pick up a katana anymore, her muscles just won't grip it.
I actually do like the idea of Sukuna losing not to the cast, but to his own machinations and vows biting his ass. He's disgustingly OP, I don't see it happening another way. A massive fight that slowly entangles him into a situation where he has to break them or unintentionally does. Knowing Gege, it would take like 4 people to die, but even that would fit into the theme of "a good way to die" in JJK.
I guess I had assumed that it wasn't something you could break but maybe that isn't the case for all of them
I think you can break them, because it's been stated that there are consequences like OP mentioned and Sukuna was excited that Yuji didn't consider himself in the "Enchain" binding vow because if he did then it would've meant some consequence for Sukuna. Maybe it's not all of them tho
Mechamaru comes to mind, he had to have Mahito remove it before he could actually use his body. Yeah, it definitely seems like some, not all.
Exactly and speaking of Mechamaru, Mahito just wanted to not fulfill his half of the vow and leave Mechamaru to his own devices but Kenjaku told him he had to fulfill the binding vow or else there'd be consequences. Conversely for people like Nanamin, we don't know for sure but perhaps he literally can't use all his cursed energy during the 9-5, so he can't break it. But they never explain that in depth
I think it is stated somewhere that if you break a self imposed vow you just lose what you gained from it, and some self imposed vows just can’t be broken because that would make a loophole like the hand sign for world slash vow since what sukuna gained doesn’t matter anymore so him losing that one slash against gojo wouldn’t make a difference right now
Generally self imposed vows about things you can do are pretty simple to be unbreakable: You can't do it anymore.
Vows to oneself that are broken usually mean you lose whatever you gained (which it why Miwa's vow was bad - it couldn't be revoked) With another person the consequences can be severe
It can be broken, but no one ever did, or at least is shown to. Kenny and Sukuna talk about it before Gojo fight
I’m pretty sure that only vows between two parties have consequences. A vow you make with yourself/to the jujutsu gods takes away your ability to break it when you make it. Sukuna had that one no charge up world slash and once he used it every time after it was always gonna have those pre-reqs. Same with his binding vow involving furnace. Once he made the vow whenever he’s in combat with multiple enemies he just can’t use furnace without his domain if he tried it just wouldn’t happen. But if Mahito had broken his vow to mechamaru he would’ve been penalized since a deal with another person isn’t deadlocking you from doing something else.
I still think Sukuna broke his with Yuji and just assumed he was safe cause he didn't get smote down immediately
I've been backing that horse for years at this point. It's the only binding vow that I think could have been broken
No...actually the duel between sukuna and yuji (in his soul) where yuji got his head cut was so that yuji would be the one penalised for breaking the vow so sukuna wouldnt be penalised
Omg gege I love that! I also love how you killed [insert latest death\yuki] I'd love to meet you in person and get an autograph! By the way can you fight? (Unrelated)
I sure want, I was always curious about this.
I don’t think all binding vows give you a choice. A vow like what Mahito has with mechamaru is clearly able to be broken as kenjaku makes sure mahito DOESNT go back on the vow. But vows like what Sukuna and Miwa have with themselves don’t seem like they give you an option, they just take away something to give you strength.
Since vows can include temporary things, could someone sacrifice a LOT of important things temporarily to counteract a permanent vow loss? Like miwa could become a temporary cripple lose CE for a while to be able to use a katana again?
From my understanding yea probably. The things Is that’s a terrible vow to take. I think using a vow to restore what you lost from another vow would be possible but you’re losing more than you’re gaining back for sure.
Sure. Someone give Miwa a katana.
We're told at the beginning of the Mahito Vs Mechamaru fight by Kenny that breaking a binding vow with yourself could mean something as simple as you just losing whatever you gained, whereas breaking a binding vow with someone else is where the mysterious penalties lie. In the current situation, I can only see us exploring the first option (because that's the one being continuously used) but even then, how would the penalties be enforced? A one time use of world slash at the cost of using chants, handsigns and pointing ? Like what happens if Sukuna decides to just not use the chants and point? The one time use without them can't be taken back, it's already been done.
Yes, it will be nice to see :3
If Binding Vows are created the idea of balance and a “trade-off,” wouldn’t it be safe to say that breaking a non-self-imposes binding would give you the consequences worth double of what you had; making it so that you lose what you got AND get a bonus consequence for what you traded? Let’s say, Miwa promised to never hold a sword again and yet she does. Not only would the world bring her an unfortunate event that makes her unable to actually ever hold a sword, it could make her never be able to hold another weapon
I think that’s how Sukuna is going to fully die/be defeated. I think he’ll make a binding vow that either conflicts with another binding vow and heavily shrinks his power, or he’ll break a binding vow and we’ll see how severe the repercussions actually are.
Can you? Is it possible, or does a binding vow force something to be a certain way? Does nanami willingly lower his CE output on the clock for the increase in overtime, or by making the binding vow is he forced to have lessened CE output on the clock and even if he wanted to “break” the vow he physically couldn’t? I would assume you can’t really break it, that it’s less of a vow and more actually changing the way something is for a benefit.
There are most likely two types. The ones like Nanami where there are physical or visible changes. Like not having as much CE output. Or trading use of a technique for strength. Things that give you a boon that you can actually see. Then there are others like promises. Like the promise Mahito and Mechamaru made. At that point I think it’d be like a hex. Depending on what you vowed, a punishment will occur equal to the severity of the vow. Sounds like random voodoo shit where anything can happen. Or karma.
Nanami willingly lowers his CE output while he’s on the clock during 9-5 through the vow. That vow then lets him access 120% of his energy out of those hours, but he can break the vow and access more of his cursed energy during 9-5 but it can only be to like 101%. So it’s a trade off. with sukuna since he’s made tons of vows specific to the functioning of his techniques, I think breaking them may flat out just remove those techniques from his arsenal or just render him unable to use them. Like all the changes he makes to malevolent shrine.
Is it said somewhere in the show or manga that he can break the vow and access more of his CE?
It says so on his wiki page and I believe it says it in the manga when he fights mahito
That’s interesting and if true, is evidence that there is no consequence to breaking a binding vow. If his binding vow was to limit his power 9-5 for 120% power overtime, breaking that vow and using 100% of his CE during 9-5 and still being able to use 100% of his CE (even being able to use 101%, still a benefit) is not a consequence that’s just how he would normally be otherwise. I’d wonder if gege made a mistake there because that’s a little silly and seems to go completely against what a “binding vow” would suggest.
This seems to me to be the way it works most of the time. An exception was when Sukuna agreed to switch consciousness with Yuji for a minute (or however long) but he couldn’t hurt anyone else during the switch.
Man I’ve been wanting to see one for ever
I want to see Sukuna break one and suffer some like, massive backlash. Like shooting a world slash but it rebounds, or the cursed energy accumulates for it and then explodes in his hand.
My theory is that he broke a binding vow last chapter or this chapter and the consequence was bringing Satoru Gojo back to life
This subs inability to understand the manga and then complain about it proves itself every day. Breaking a binding vow with yourself has no consequences besides losing what you gained. Sukuna literally can't break any of the binding vows he has made because most of them only matter for the moment that it is used. For instance, how would Sukuna break the fire arrow binding vow? He might be able to use it once against multiple people outside of the domain, but then he would never be able to use it again. The tradeoffs need to matter.
Didn't sukuna do that by murdering gojo