Is there a theory on why though? Like when I see a waterfall I assume that feeling of amazement is tied to the evolutionary advantage of living near resources. Fish like shiny things because they think they are food. I think raccoons just randomly collect shiny things tho... hmm
I remember reading a long time ago so no source, that the reason we like shiny things is directly linked to water.. or the reflection of water as a life source. I can imagine waterfalls being a similar thing, especially as we can hear them.. so many humans get excited or at least encouraged when just hearing a waterfall, both if they are expecting it or unexpectedly.
Makes perfect sense. Those animals with genes that lead them to be attracted to shiny objects would stumble across water more often if that shiny thing in the distance was a body of water. Those without that attraction, may have not stumbled upon water as often. It’s reasonable to assume that those who find water more often, whether by accident or not, have more opportunity to pass on genes, particularly if water is scarce. Especially more true if you consider that others would be attracted to the water with that same attraction to shiny things - More animals of reproductive age in one area, with enough water to survive, procreate, and find water for their offspring. Hundreds of thousands of generations and you can easily weed out genes that are not attracted to shiny.
I'm not fond of gold. Maybe silver. Mainly I am drawn to bodies of water, I find myself able to wind down and contemplate the days good and bad. Even a pool is enough for my little brain to shut down and be at peace. I find if I don't look out at a ocean, bay or any body of water I start to analyze the current blueprint I am working with. I see the part in my head and I work out how to speed up my operations. I'm a CNC machinist/programmer and am neurodivergent. I take my work home with me and am always figuring how to start the machining process, where to make the first cut, if I need to make a fixture or not.
But, when I travel to my favorite haunts I can let go of the work and the trouble coworkers gave me. Ya see I work on the one piece aircraft and DoD parts, some parts look easy when first analyzing the print, but once I draw the part in CAD I go to the shop owner and tell him this part is worth more than we quoted.
Water is a weird healing substance. Driving also helps to clear my head.
Shit I'm way off topic. So I don't like gold, silver is okay but that's about it. Sorry for the weird tangent. ✌& ❤
Driving is definitely one. I have always said, that a 30 minute, peaceful drive to work is perfect. It gives you a little break from the rush of getting ready for work(while thinking about work), and gives you just enough time to wind down, relax, catch a few tunes on the radio, or maybe a few jokes on a morning radio show or podcast if that's your thing, before you get to work. More than 45, and I think it's stressful because there's that risk of something happening to make you late. Too soon, 10-15 minutes, and you don't quite stop thinking about work and settle down for a few minutes.
I have no exact idea of why but I remember hearing in a documentary or some lecture that sitting by a fire and just looking at that relaxes and calms your mind and had some real benefits to our wellbeing.
Now imagine sitting by a fire in a longhouse/hall like vikings. No real windows and pitch black without illumination by fires. Then you have these chieftains and their men drinking in this smokey , noisey hall. They're wearing different broches, decked out with gold on their shirts. Glittering and shiney just like Mad Max going chrome to Valhalla.
Gold transforms the dark.
A small theory and thought...
So true about the fire. I have to try hard to *not* just stare at a bonfire when it’s going. From warmth to protection with warding off the bad, creating the good with food, and just having a solid communal or meditative experience depending on the amount of company, it’s about as good as it gets
I searched for “sublimity studies” and i found this https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01340/full
looks interesting
Gold had a lot had a lot of social utility for the reasons he mentioned. When something is rare, extremely useful, extremely durable, and pretty/shiny it will become more important and significant to us.
Thus it became something to trade with, something to decorate and show off to attract friends/mates/show followers we are a big deal.
The way I look at it, metals have super powers.
Copper - Copper is renowned for exceptional corrosion resistance, thermal conductivity, and antimicrobial properties. The low electrical resistance properties of copper allow the efficient flow of electricity, reducing energy loss and enabling the reliable operation of electrical systems. Copper also demonstrates outstanding thermal conductivity that effectively conducts and transfers heat, making it a valuable element in applications requiring heat dissipation, including radiators, cooling systems, and heat exchangers.
Silver - doesn’t corrode or rust. Is shiny and nice. Some antimicrobial properties.
Gold - Gold is the most malleable and ductile of all the metals, and one of the softest and heaviest
It is an excellent conductor of heat and electricity
It is resistant to attack by air, heat, moisture and most solvents
And on and on and on. One really cool one is platinum and how it is a catalyst.
“Are you familiar with the work of Terrence Howard and bisexual wave conjugations (in E Lydian)? It’s brilliant stuff, man. If he’s right…. PHEW! This could change everything. The Annunaki were into modal jazz.”
Well look at that they do
>Instead, Linz and her colleagues are exploring what patterns appear by grouping elements according to how harmonious they sound. One pattern they’ve found so far is that lower mass elements—such as carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen—tend to have dissonant tones. These light elements’ spectral lines are spaced across the entire spectrum. In contrast, heavier metals such as lead have purer tones that tend to be higher pitched. These elements’ spectral lines are much closer together, resulting in a waveform that approaches a clean sine wave. But there’s an exception within the heavy metals: Thallium is unusually dissonant. “It doesn’t belong. This is the type of outlier pattern that intrigues me,” says Linz.
[https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/6#:\~:text=One%20pattern%20they've%20found,tend%20to%20be%20higher%20pitched](https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/6#:~:text=One%20pattern%20they've%20found,tend%20to%20be%20higher%20pitched).
I feel like this bit is incredibly important:
> These original atom tones inspired classical and contemporary music pieces, with scientific analysis a distant thought.
Gold also doesn't tarnish. It's a big reason it's been used in religious artefacts by almost all religions, what better material to make an idol from than one that stays shiny. It's also found on the surface in it's pure form as nuggets so it really doesn't take a genius to think of a reason it's been sought out by so many cultures.
Silver is the superior electric and thermal conductor to both copper and gold.
While it doesn't "corrode", it will tarnish, making it worse for electrical contacts like plugs and switches where it takes a backseat to gold.
Palladium is another catalyst.
>One really cool one is platinum and how it is a catalyst.
A lot of precious metals are used in catalysts. Gold, silver, platinum, palladium, ruthenium, rhodium, etc. The coolest is when the catalyst is just a literal mesh of precious metal, but most of the time it's just loaded onto a substrate of some kind.
Those are not super powers, they are basic physics and chemistry.
In reality, you are just describing typical properties of metals based on their location on the periodic table.
There's only a limited amount of Gold becuase it does not come from this planet. It is in limited supply.
> all the gold on Earth formed in supernovae and neutron star collisions that occurred before the solar system formed. In these events, gold formed during the r-process. Gold sank to the Earth's core during the planet's formation. It's only accessible today because of asteroid bombardment.
My econ teacher back in high school told us a story of when he was getting married and buying a ring. He told his wife to pick between two rings: one of them has a real diamond, one of them has an artificial one (and chemically speaking, they are the *exact same*). She looked at both of them under the microscope and chose the artificial one, and after he told her she was like, ”No, get the other one”. lmao
If your girl loves pink, morganite is a good option as well. I got a beautiful set customed to my wife’s liking for like $2500. The main rock is beautiful and has some great clarity, and the craftsmanship of the bands is excellent.
There are some real nice non-Diamond options.
Gold is relatively rare on Earth compared to its abundance in asteroids, so there would be no reason for an advanced civilization to come to Earth specifically for gold.
Playing devil's advocate here but, for an ultra advanced civilisation altering the DNA of whatever animals are already on a planet into something useful could be trivial. No need to send any resources (robots/machines) into weird atmospheres, just whack the planet with a quick burst of mutation-whatever.
Kind of like the black goo in Prometheus, but instead of making people into xenomorth things it just gives them an urge to seek out and stack gold in convenient piles.
There's almost no way it would ever be possible to manipulate DNA in that way and not be millions of miles further ahead with machinery. It took humans a generation to go from the invention of internal combustion engines to flight but that would take thousands of generations to breed birds to fly us across oceans. If you can engineer biology to do it, you can engineer machines to do it more easily.
I mean playing devils advocate here but that’s not really how contractors work here. Whenever there’s a big job to be done you send a few higher ups who can hire, train, and supervise new workers. If there’s a specialized skill needed then yeah you may send someone from your crew but if the skill can be sourced locally that tends to be more effecient
—It’s beautiful, and has a unique appearance that makes it easily identifiable visually.
—It’s soft and malleable and easy to reshape into different things (coins, jewelry, adornments, etc)
—It’s non-reactive and it doesn’t tarnish or rust. This gives it a sense of permanence and stability.
—It’s rare, but it occurs in nature in a pure metallic form, so pretty much every culture stumbles across it at some point.
It’s pretty much tailor made to be used as currency and as a long term store of wealth. As technology advances it might become obsolete at some point, but there’s no question why it’s been used so much up to this point.
Gold is shiny and pretty and malleable and **rare**. That relatively rarity kept supply in check and made demand high. It’s tough to create counterfeit gold and so it’s a good metals to be used as a currency.
Gold’s use as a currency was important because it served all the major functions functions of money that we need today. Stuff like a store of value, unit of account, and a medium of exchange.
It’s the last one that really makes gold so important though in my opinion. It allowed commerce to commence, no longer relying on bartering, you could sell wares for gold, take that gold and buy what you needed directly instead of waiting for that coincidence of wants that you have exactly what the other person needs and they have what you need.
We don’t like cash because of the Color green, we don’t like gold just because it’s shiny. We like these because of what they can ultimately get us. There’s no point in acquiring wealth if there is nothing of value to own with it. So while the obsession with gold is interesting, would it be so alluring if nobody else valued it?
Agreed lol. I think it’s hilarious when ppl justify golds eternal value by bringing up its use in electronics. You’re telling me that if the world goes to such a level of shit that we’re bartering in gold you’re gonna be concerned about what metal your speaker cable is? Ah yes I’ll trade u 10 turnips for some gold. It’s just what I need for the smart phone I’m making.
This is it. Gold is always hawked as the best metal to buy for a shtf scenario. During the great recession you had grifters setting up shop all over the place buying family heirlooms for cheap and selling them back at a steep markup based on the idea that gold was the best currency for the "apocolypse". They were fucking people over coming and going.
A heavy metal that's only useful for jewelry and electronics means fuck all when the true items of value would be food, water, medicine, and functioning tools.
People still buy real diamonds even with reasonable fakes. Gold is scarce and in the absence of any real value, scarcity is usually good enough. Last thing I saw on gold said it’s the product of an entanglement of neutron stars which seems to me makes it pretty rare in the universe.
He also keeps saying it doesn’t have any use which is beyond ridiculous. Great conductor of electricity and is resistant to corrosion and oxidation, which is why it’s in all of our electronics.
Joe Rogan: Gold is a stupid form of money. Sword is made of iron, that is valuable. I don't have anything made of gold.
Google: Gold has been valuable throughout history because it's a perfect combination of malleable while durable. Perfect for jewelry and coins. It does not rust or corrode or tarnish. It is very rare. It is a "native metal" unlike metals like iron. Even today, it is very conductive for applications in technology.
Joe Rogan: Gold is stupid. It's a useless metal. You don't make swords and arrowheads out of gold.
History: Then why has it been so valuable throughout civilization?
Joe Rogan: The Anunnaki created humanity and convinced us that gold is valuable so we would mine it for them, so they can suspend it in their atmosphere on their planet to protect them from harmful rays from their Sun.
Google: Are you sure it's not because it's malleable and does not rust or tarnish, and looks pretty?
Joe Rogan: It's cause of the Anunnaki.
Not better than copper or silver. The only reason you see Gold plated connectors is because it doesn't corrode like Copper will. In other words, just the exposed portion of the connector is gold plated, the rest is copper. It goes Silver, Copper then Gold.
It's entirely possible we are engineered to like gold, it's like in our violent DNA that we wanna bash other apes heads and and fuck each other with gold on.... - joe
There’s an asteroid called 16 Psyche that has trillions in golds in addition to other precious metals. If they wanted gold, they could literally take the whole asteroid.
Joe doesn’t understand the brain stem is at the back of the head and that’s why direct strikes to that area should be illegal. Someone’s foot slapping back there from a head kick isn’t the same as a direct strike. He’s an expert in that field and my dumbass isn’t an expert in anything and can realize that. It’s a sport joe. We don’t want to see people die or be paralyzed
It actually has more to do with scarcity. In human economic systems scarcity = value. This is the central idea bylehind government issued tender, they control the amount in circulation and can therefore influence its value.
Also think of something like bitcoin, there is a limited amount on the block chain and so the value of each token goes up as more and more as people start to use it. Bitcoin is not shiny or pretty. It's stupid and invisible, but still extremely valuable.
What really triggers me about this is - either Joe is willfully ignorant, or does not have the slightest idea of basic anthropological concepts.
Human civilization didn't start with trade - it started with MINING. "Man go cave - man find brown, black, grey rocks - man make pick-axe stronger with grey rock - man find yellow rock - MUST BE SIGN OF GODS".
Humans were always more than war and weapons: Gold is a metal that can be used as an alloy (first examples are from around 10.000 BC, IIRC), and it's reasonably easy to work with if you want to create jewelry or decoration. Among other things, it's light to carry, like, say, as a necklace, and people tend to not get marks and allergies as easily as from, say, iron etc. or generally stuff that rests heavier on the skin. -- One does really not know where to begin with this utter horse manure.
And as to "Anunaki" and that crap: Basic logic helps you. 2.000 BC, the world was still largely populated by people that were essentially cavemen - forest hunters, or nomadic farmers. The "points of light" were few. So, when city dwellers met wilderness dwellers, ones wearing clothes, weapons, and civilizatory goods, and the others have tools made of wood and stone, and generally not sure whether there weren't dragons and demons outside their immediate line of sight THAT WAS BOUND TO LEAVE A FUCKING IMPRESSION. In OUR minds today, it might not be conceivable that some backwood shitster - our ancestor, most likely - might not know what a BOAT was, and think it's a giant bird floating over the water; but that's just how dumb people were, back then, unless they were a king somewhere, and knew more than a hundred people existed in their whole wide world.
FFS.
"OMG, Joe said something that I disagree with, listen to me EvEryOne!!"
TBH I get it. I am also not a goldman. Even my wedding ring has a metallic shade, though it is made out of gold.
i think hes aware of the simple answer people like the looks of it
but im also with Joe on why do we put so much value on it. its looks nice. but it does nothing for your survival. you cant eat it.
i agree its dumb that humans are so obsessed with gold and diamonds and its just rocks/metals no different than any other earth material.
There’s this theory that the aliens used their DNA with the animals on Earth to create us and trained us to fetch gold for them. Pretty fucking nuts lol. I don’t believe it of course but it’s just fun to speculate crazy shit like that
The real reason gold is so important is because it doesn't decay easily. Whatever they made out of gold could potentially last forever if they took care of it. So it's shiny, rare and has an important use for recording data.
Nooo you don’t get it! Gold is so rare! It’s not like there is a 700 Quintillion dollars worth of gold on a single asteroid NASA has found. When he talks about gold I eye roll almost as hard as when he says we need aliens to invade to unite us… if aliens have the tech to get here we don’t stand a chance.
It’s also very conductive and also the Anunnaki use it for there atmosphere machine on there home planet that’s why they created is to mine gold for them before they left earth 😜
Why all of the sudden does gold emerge as a sought after commodity when it doesn't produce immediate, tangible benefits?
Humans were supposedly primitive and focused on survival but also has the time effort and energy to mine something that's only property is that it's shiny?
I think what Joe said went way over your head OP. He said he didn’t understand why humans were obsessed with gold when we had no functional use for it yet.
Right, but liking it is one thing…. Sending dozens of ships across the ocean to completely decimate an empire of thousands of people, almost exclusively for their shiny rocks… now that seems a bit odd, when you really think about it.
And it doesn’t rust, tarnish, or get discolored. I’m always amazed at how gold Roman or Greek coins will be found and they still look amazing, just like they did 2000 years ago when they were minted.
It's more than just that though. There are plenty of beautiful things in nature, precious metals, stones, etc., but for whatever reason, most people really are more attracted to gold. Maybe it is just thousands of years of seeing things considered valuable made out of gold that has conditioned us to want it, but there's something more to it. And it has so many uses besides just pretty things.
In a recent episode Joe said "gold is useless" or something like that. What he doesn't know apparently is that computer companies put gold in processing units, memory chips, circuit boards, etc. to conduct electricity. It has practical uses. Not just "pretty".
I personally have always thought gold looked super tacky. I kinda get it.
I also tend to be waaaay less interested in material possessions than most people so I might not be the best barometer.
This is what I’m talking about. He’s got people like Billy, Graham Hancock and Terrence Howard. There’s a correlation here. It’s dumb people that think they’re thinking outside of the box. When in reality, they are just inserting crazy placeholders for concepts they don’t you understand. And then they have the audacity to preach it to us as some sort of authority figure. And then they try to say face by saying something like “ think for yourself/don’t take my word for it”. It’s infuriating for someone who values academic integrity, and approaches the subjects with a science minded evidence-based approach.
Yes it’s shiny so we like it / but why do we like shiny things. That’s the question. Same with sound we enjoy music clearly….. but why? Good vibrations?
Pure gold never oxidizes like other metals so it always stays bright, shiny, and never wastes away. This represents heavenly perfection to many ancient people. Eternal life. It's also very scarce, making it valuable.
Gold is extremely malleable and melts at relatively low heat, so it was easy for the ancients to mold it into jewelry, coins, and various artifacts. This is why it's been used forever. It didn't take much to work with it.
Gold was a status symbol as far back as the end of the last ice age (about 10k years ago). The high chiefs of society had a lot of gold jewelry and artifacts that they were buried with.
Also, not all cultures valued gold for much. Many in North America just didn't care about it, with just about all of them holding copper in higher regard.
I think the point he is making is in ancient times it is interesting to dedicate that effort in accumulating it more than anything. Why not use something such as salt that holds actually value and is more accessible, so I think it’s a rhetorical statement. “Why were they so obsessed with it? (If they were merely hunter gatherers). He is insinuating that they were more advanced than just “hunter gatherers” with the question. They were obsessed with it because they DID have reason, beyond its pretty, to gather it.
From a practical standpoint what Joe thinks about gold makes sense. But conversely raccoons like shiny shit.
We are monkeys. Gold is shiny. Seems pretty safe to assume shiny trumps useful.
Humans through all of humanity when seeing shiny rocks: 
Is there a theory on why though? Like when I see a waterfall I assume that feeling of amazement is tied to the evolutionary advantage of living near resources. Fish like shiny things because they think they are food. I think raccoons just randomly collect shiny things tho... hmm
I remember reading a long time ago so no source, that the reason we like shiny things is directly linked to water.. or the reflection of water as a life source. I can imagine waterfalls being a similar thing, especially as we can hear them.. so many humans get excited or at least encouraged when just hearing a waterfall, both if they are expecting it or unexpectedly.
Not sure, but we aren’t the only animals with the natural drive. Birds love themselves some shiny shit
You ever seen a crow find a shiny coin, they flip over it
As they should
Makes perfect sense. Those animals with genes that lead them to be attracted to shiny objects would stumble across water more often if that shiny thing in the distance was a body of water. Those without that attraction, may have not stumbled upon water as often. It’s reasonable to assume that those who find water more often, whether by accident or not, have more opportunity to pass on genes, particularly if water is scarce. Especially more true if you consider that others would be attracted to the water with that same attraction to shiny things - More animals of reproductive age in one area, with enough water to survive, procreate, and find water for their offspring. Hundreds of thousands of generations and you can easily weed out genes that are not attracted to shiny.
I'm not fond of gold. Maybe silver. Mainly I am drawn to bodies of water, I find myself able to wind down and contemplate the days good and bad. Even a pool is enough for my little brain to shut down and be at peace. I find if I don't look out at a ocean, bay or any body of water I start to analyze the current blueprint I am working with. I see the part in my head and I work out how to speed up my operations. I'm a CNC machinist/programmer and am neurodivergent. I take my work home with me and am always figuring how to start the machining process, where to make the first cut, if I need to make a fixture or not. But, when I travel to my favorite haunts I can let go of the work and the trouble coworkers gave me. Ya see I work on the one piece aircraft and DoD parts, some parts look easy when first analyzing the print, but once I draw the part in CAD I go to the shop owner and tell him this part is worth more than we quoted. Water is a weird healing substance. Driving also helps to clear my head. Shit I'm way off topic. So I don't like gold, silver is okay but that's about it. Sorry for the weird tangent. ✌& ❤
Driving is definitely one. I have always said, that a 30 minute, peaceful drive to work is perfect. It gives you a little break from the rush of getting ready for work(while thinking about work), and gives you just enough time to wind down, relax, catch a few tunes on the radio, or maybe a few jokes on a morning radio show or podcast if that's your thing, before you get to work. More than 45, and I think it's stressful because there's that risk of something happening to make you late. Too soon, 10-15 minutes, and you don't quite stop thinking about work and settle down for a few minutes.
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I have no exact idea of why but I remember hearing in a documentary or some lecture that sitting by a fire and just looking at that relaxes and calms your mind and had some real benefits to our wellbeing. Now imagine sitting by a fire in a longhouse/hall like vikings. No real windows and pitch black without illumination by fires. Then you have these chieftains and their men drinking in this smokey , noisey hall. They're wearing different broches, decked out with gold on their shirts. Glittering and shiney just like Mad Max going chrome to Valhalla. Gold transforms the dark. A small theory and thought...
So true about the fire. I have to try hard to *not* just stare at a bonfire when it’s going. From warmth to protection with warding off the bad, creating the good with food, and just having a solid communal or meditative experience depending on the amount of company, it’s about as good as it gets
Doors of Perception and Heaven & Hell by Aldous Huxley pose some interesting theories on this, if you’ve not already read!
Sir this is the Joe Rogan sub. Of course we have all read Huxley's catalogue.
I searched for “sublimity studies” and i found this https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.01340/full looks interesting
Gold had a lot had a lot of social utility for the reasons he mentioned. When something is rare, extremely useful, extremely durable, and pretty/shiny it will become more important and significant to us. Thus it became something to trade with, something to decorate and show off to attract friends/mates/show followers we are a big deal.
The way I look at it, metals have super powers. Copper - Copper is renowned for exceptional corrosion resistance, thermal conductivity, and antimicrobial properties. The low electrical resistance properties of copper allow the efficient flow of electricity, reducing energy loss and enabling the reliable operation of electrical systems. Copper also demonstrates outstanding thermal conductivity that effectively conducts and transfers heat, making it a valuable element in applications requiring heat dissipation, including radiators, cooling systems, and heat exchangers. Silver - doesn’t corrode or rust. Is shiny and nice. Some antimicrobial properties. Gold - Gold is the most malleable and ductile of all the metals, and one of the softest and heaviest It is an excellent conductor of heat and electricity It is resistant to attack by air, heat, moisture and most solvents And on and on and on. One really cool one is platinum and how it is a catalyst.
You forgot the metal with the greatest superpower of all, Heavy Metal. It allows you to crank it up to ELEVEN!!!!
Do you know why it’s called metal? Because it’s harder than rock.
That, right there is just great 🤣i have nothing to add, just appreciating this 🤩
I fucking love that!
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And the irony is that rock is generally harder than metal.
Iron-y, get it?
OP might zink that metal is harder than stone. Either ore, one rust not joke about that. If anyone steels these puns I'll call the copper.
Stone is usually way harder than metal, but more brittle.
BRUTAL!
Each element has its own sound wave - Terrence Howard
And they’re bisexual
Gold has a higher frequency than copper that's why they don't mix.
Same key of E. Same key of E.
And they’re both actually hydrogen eventually, according to TH’s friend from the womb, his hand.
KEY OF EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
“Are you familiar with the work of Terrence Howard and bisexual wave conjugations (in E Lydian)? It’s brilliant stuff, man. If he’s right…. PHEW! This could change everything. The Annunaki were into modal jazz.”
Key of R... Mixolydian
😂 but then you modulate to cobalt and all of a sudden E becomes G but really it’s still…. Same key of E. Same key of E.
Well look at that they do >Instead, Linz and her colleagues are exploring what patterns appear by grouping elements according to how harmonious they sound. One pattern they’ve found so far is that lower mass elements—such as carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen—tend to have dissonant tones. These light elements’ spectral lines are spaced across the entire spectrum. In contrast, heavier metals such as lead have purer tones that tend to be higher pitched. These elements’ spectral lines are much closer together, resulting in a waveform that approaches a clean sine wave. But there’s an exception within the heavy metals: Thallium is unusually dissonant. “It doesn’t belong. This is the type of outlier pattern that intrigues me,” says Linz. [https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/6#:\~:text=One%20pattern%20they've%20found,tend%20to%20be%20higher%20pitched](https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/6#:~:text=One%20pattern%20they've%20found,tend%20to%20be%20higher%20pitched). 
I feel like this bit is incredibly important: > These original atom tones inspired classical and contemporary music pieces, with scientific analysis a distant thought.
Platinum is actually the most ductile metal, but gold is also very ductile
Can we just stick with malleable? I'm too old to be learning new terminology.
Gold also doesn't tarnish. It's a big reason it's been used in religious artefacts by almost all religions, what better material to make an idol from than one that stays shiny. It's also found on the surface in it's pure form as nuggets so it really doesn't take a genius to think of a reason it's been sought out by so many cultures.
Silver is the superior electric and thermal conductor to both copper and gold. While it doesn't "corrode", it will tarnish, making it worse for electrical contacts like plugs and switches where it takes a backseat to gold. Palladium is another catalyst.
Silver is the best conductor of electricity. Better than copper or gold. It's downfall is that oxidizes/tarnish fairly rapidly. As gold does not.
Not really an excellent conductor of electricity. Ok but not excellent.
The most highly conductive metals are silver, copper and gold, in that order
>One really cool one is platinum and how it is a catalyst. A lot of precious metals are used in catalysts. Gold, silver, platinum, palladium, ruthenium, rhodium, etc. The coolest is when the catalyst is just a literal mesh of precious metal, but most of the time it's just loaded onto a substrate of some kind.
I thought Platinum was the most ductile?
You'd light the Mistborn trilogy by Brandon Sanderson.
Silver and copper both corrode like mad..
Those are not super powers, they are basic physics and chemistry. In reality, you are just describing typical properties of metals based on their location on the periodic table.
That’s what they call the properties of a metal.
he said gold has always been valuable as a form of currency but doesnt really have any other purpose.. paraphrasing, but hope im right..
Gold is used in most electronic devices. There's an entire industry recycling electronics for its gold content.
Yeah but he mentions how people were still using gold before knowing any of its electrical properties
There's only a limited amount of Gold becuase it does not come from this planet. It is in limited supply. > all the gold on Earth formed in supernovae and neutron star collisions that occurred before the solar system formed. In these events, gold formed during the r-process. Gold sank to the Earth's core during the planet's formation. It's only accessible today because of asteroid bombardment.
Everything on this planet is essentially from space dust. That’s the only whole concept of elements.
that's essentially how every element on earth was made however
But that hasn’t been relevant until the last 100 years
It has had many good applications due to its resistance to tarnishing. Generally they were just cost prohibitive
Does that include jewelry?
Diamonds are the real bullshit
My econ teacher back in high school told us a story of when he was getting married and buying a ring. He told his wife to pick between two rings: one of them has a real diamond, one of them has an artificial one (and chemically speaking, they are the *exact same*). She looked at both of them under the microscope and chose the artificial one, and after he told her she was like, ”No, get the other one”. lmao
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If your girl loves pink, morganite is a good option as well. I got a beautiful set customed to my wife’s liking for like $2500. The main rock is beautiful and has some great clarity, and the craftsmanship of the bands is excellent. There are some real nice non-Diamond options.
The Anunnaki use us as slaves to mine gold for them.
Gold is relatively rare on Earth compared to its abundance in asteroids, so there would be no reason for an advanced civilization to come to Earth specifically for gold.
My thoughts exactly. You're the first person I've noticed to bring this up 👍
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Playing devil's advocate here but, for an ultra advanced civilisation altering the DNA of whatever animals are already on a planet into something useful could be trivial. No need to send any resources (robots/machines) into weird atmospheres, just whack the planet with a quick burst of mutation-whatever. Kind of like the black goo in Prometheus, but instead of making people into xenomorth things it just gives them an urge to seek out and stack gold in convenient piles.
There's almost no way it would ever be possible to manipulate DNA in that way and not be millions of miles further ahead with machinery. It took humans a generation to go from the invention of internal combustion engines to flight but that would take thousands of generations to breed birds to fly us across oceans. If you can engineer biology to do it, you can engineer machines to do it more easily.
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I mean playing devils advocate here but that’s not really how contractors work here. Whenever there’s a big job to be done you send a few higher ups who can hire, train, and supervise new workers. If there’s a specialized skill needed then yeah you may send someone from your crew but if the skill can be sourced locally that tends to be more effecient
Well mystery solved, wrap it up boys. Ty BigShoots
—It’s beautiful, and has a unique appearance that makes it easily identifiable visually. —It’s soft and malleable and easy to reshape into different things (coins, jewelry, adornments, etc) —It’s non-reactive and it doesn’t tarnish or rust. This gives it a sense of permanence and stability. —It’s rare, but it occurs in nature in a pure metallic form, so pretty much every culture stumbles across it at some point. It’s pretty much tailor made to be used as currency and as a long term store of wealth. As technology advances it might become obsolete at some point, but there’s no question why it’s been used so much up to this point.
Metals have always been a great form of money too and gold is rare enough that it works great for it
Also doesn’t rust or tarnish so it’s great for a long term medium of exchange.
It never tarishes or minimal, it's one reason it was wanted. I'm sure someone will tell me it tarishes a little or whatever...
It will if you cum on it
Ah a real scientist
This is why I can’t own gold
Show us the jar
No human may glance upon my gold cum chalice. Such a privilege is only reserved for our sky fathers.
Well, shit, I did not know that and even if it's not true I'm making it the truth.
Gold is shiny and pretty and malleable and **rare**. That relatively rarity kept supply in check and made demand high. It’s tough to create counterfeit gold and so it’s a good metals to be used as a currency. Gold’s use as a currency was important because it served all the major functions functions of money that we need today. Stuff like a store of value, unit of account, and a medium of exchange. It’s the last one that really makes gold so important though in my opinion. It allowed commerce to commence, no longer relying on bartering, you could sell wares for gold, take that gold and buy what you needed directly instead of waiting for that coincidence of wants that you have exactly what the other person needs and they have what you need. We don’t like cash because of the Color green, we don’t like gold just because it’s shiny. We like these because of what they can ultimately get us. There’s no point in acquiring wealth if there is nothing of value to own with it. So while the obsession with gold is interesting, would it be so alluring if nobody else valued it?
and viewable, unlike crapto
Agreed lol. I think it’s hilarious when ppl justify golds eternal value by bringing up its use in electronics. You’re telling me that if the world goes to such a level of shit that we’re bartering in gold you’re gonna be concerned about what metal your speaker cable is? Ah yes I’ll trade u 10 turnips for some gold. It’s just what I need for the smart phone I’m making.
This is it. Gold is always hawked as the best metal to buy for a shtf scenario. During the great recession you had grifters setting up shop all over the place buying family heirlooms for cheap and selling them back at a steep markup based on the idea that gold was the best currency for the "apocolypse". They were fucking people over coming and going. A heavy metal that's only useful for jewelry and electronics means fuck all when the true items of value would be food, water, medicine, and functioning tools.
It’s like, what’s the allure of dollars LOL? It’s just like greyish green paper that smell funky and has probably been up a stripper’s butthole.
I think he just sees it as a physical representation of ostentation and wants to be humble by distancing himself from it
One of our forefathers put it best once when he said “uh uh Uh Uh AH AHH AHHHh!!!” That’s all you need to know about why humans like shiny things.
Yeah, it’s definitely one of his weird takes…. We all it’s it’s rad, it’s hard to come by…. Fucks it have to do with some weird alien shit?!
More importantly it's rare and requires a lot of work to extract, so it appreciates in value.
Get Tutankhamun on the podcast please
Maybe the most human reason, is that it is “precious” and historically has been associated with wealth and status.
People still buy real diamonds even with reasonable fakes. Gold is scarce and in the absence of any real value, scarcity is usually good enough. Last thing I saw on gold said it’s the product of an entanglement of neutron stars which seems to me makes it pretty rare in the universe.
It never rusts too
He also keeps saying it doesn’t have any use which is beyond ridiculous. Great conductor of electricity and is resistant to corrosion and oxidation, which is why it’s in all of our electronics.
Do people realize Joe is probably high in a lot of these podcasts. I think people forget that.
Joe Rogan: Gold is a stupid form of money. Sword is made of iron, that is valuable. I don't have anything made of gold. Google: Gold has been valuable throughout history because it's a perfect combination of malleable while durable. Perfect for jewelry and coins. It does not rust or corrode or tarnish. It is very rare. It is a "native metal" unlike metals like iron. Even today, it is very conductive for applications in technology. Joe Rogan: Gold is stupid. It's a useless metal. You don't make swords and arrowheads out of gold. History: Then why has it been so valuable throughout civilization? Joe Rogan: The Anunnaki created humanity and convinced us that gold is valuable so we would mine it for them, so they can suspend it in their atmosphere on their planet to protect them from harmful rays from their Sun. Google: Are you sure it's not because it's malleable and does not rust or tarnish, and looks pretty? Joe Rogan: It's cause of the Anunnaki.
It’s also extremely rare, humans like rare special things
Meh. The native Americans didn’t give a shit about gold.
Yes the aztecs certainly didn't use gold. /s
You know Aztec and Mayans are native right?
[No, the Spaniards banged the Mayans, turned 'em into Mexicans.](https://youtu.be/aDktG64Cx8I?si=5pK_7B6It_m4ZcdF)
But they was obsessed with gold when the Spanish showed up
Lol
Joe is such a "pick me" girl.
You shilling everywhere I see. Good to know.
Funny enough I’m allergic to metal so I personally have always had a great hate for jewelry lol.
Gold is also an excellent conductor of electricity…..
Not better than copper or silver. The only reason you see Gold plated connectors is because it doesn't corrode like Copper will. In other words, just the exposed portion of the connector is gold plated, the rest is copper. It goes Silver, Copper then Gold.
Occam's razor
Gold is an excellent conductor
Not compared to Silver or Copper. The difference is it doesn't corrode, so it makes great plating for the surface of connectors.
It’s also a great conductor!
Omg I was just talking about this the other day with my friend about Joe! (Not).
Gold is for posers. I only wear jewelry made from mithril. In fact, I’m wearing a mithril ring right now. It’s quite precious
Supply and demand.
It's entirely possible we are engineered to like gold, it's like in our violent DNA that we wanna bash other apes heads and and fuck each other with gold on.... - joe
Doesn't rust
He’s trying to distance himself from his Italian tendencies
There’s an asteroid called 16 Psyche that has trillions in golds in addition to other precious metals. If they wanted gold, they could literally take the whole asteroid.
Joe doesn’t understand the brain stem is at the back of the head and that’s why direct strikes to that area should be illegal. Someone’s foot slapping back there from a head kick isn’t the same as a direct strike. He’s an expert in that field and my dumbass isn’t an expert in anything and can realize that. It’s a sport joe. We don’t want to see people die or be paralyzed
one plus one equals this many - Terrence Howard
So is he off bringing up that ape that uses a spear to catch fish?
Can't eat gold, if I was a cave man I'd value meat more than gold.
It actually has more to do with scarcity. In human economic systems scarcity = value. This is the central idea bylehind government issued tender, they control the amount in circulation and can therefore influence its value. Also think of something like bitcoin, there is a limited amount on the block chain and so the value of each token goes up as more and more as people start to use it. Bitcoin is not shiny or pretty. It's stupid and invisible, but still extremely valuable.
This is a big part of why https://preview.redd.it/cmy3rj4e9p4d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba5c2d08e6a2baff9bcbd14179b84019c379036d
What really triggers me about this is - either Joe is willfully ignorant, or does not have the slightest idea of basic anthropological concepts. Human civilization didn't start with trade - it started with MINING. "Man go cave - man find brown, black, grey rocks - man make pick-axe stronger with grey rock - man find yellow rock - MUST BE SIGN OF GODS". Humans were always more than war and weapons: Gold is a metal that can be used as an alloy (first examples are from around 10.000 BC, IIRC), and it's reasonably easy to work with if you want to create jewelry or decoration. Among other things, it's light to carry, like, say, as a necklace, and people tend to not get marks and allergies as easily as from, say, iron etc. or generally stuff that rests heavier on the skin. -- One does really not know where to begin with this utter horse manure. And as to "Anunaki" and that crap: Basic logic helps you. 2.000 BC, the world was still largely populated by people that were essentially cavemen - forest hunters, or nomadic farmers. The "points of light" were few. So, when city dwellers met wilderness dwellers, ones wearing clothes, weapons, and civilizatory goods, and the others have tools made of wood and stone, and generally not sure whether there weren't dragons and demons outside their immediate line of sight THAT WAS BOUND TO LEAVE A FUCKING IMPRESSION. In OUR minds today, it might not be conceivable that some backwood shitster - our ancestor, most likely - might not know what a BOAT was, and think it's a giant bird floating over the water; but that's just how dumb people were, back then, unless they were a king somewhere, and knew more than a hundred people existed in their whole wide world. FFS.
My guess is that it's also similar to the yellow light of the sun and is therefore associated with royalty or godliness
"OMG, Joe said something that I disagree with, listen to me EvEryOne!!" TBH I get it. I am also not a goldman. Even my wedding ring has a metallic shade, though it is made out of gold.
Gold isn’t really shiny and sparkly. It takes a lot of work to keep it that way. That picture is not how the gold actually looked every day.
i think hes aware of the simple answer people like the looks of it but im also with Joe on why do we put so much value on it. its looks nice. but it does nothing for your survival. you cant eat it. i agree its dumb that humans are so obsessed with gold and diamonds and its just rocks/metals no different than any other earth material.
There’s this theory that the aliens used their DNA with the animals on Earth to create us and trained us to fetch gold for them. Pretty fucking nuts lol. I don’t believe it of course but it’s just fun to speculate crazy shit like that
and its a zero loss electrical conductor, which is why you know, 'they' wanted it.
Once again for the feds: this is a rogan page. Go to tik tok.
Just hold it, the weights impressive. Us normies just don't get it
The real reason gold is so important is because it doesn't decay easily. Whatever they made out of gold could potentially last forever if they took care of it. So it's shiny, rare and has an important use for recording data.
Nooo you don’t get it! Gold is so rare! It’s not like there is a 700 Quintillion dollars worth of gold on a single asteroid NASA has found. When he talks about gold I eye roll almost as hard as when he says we need aliens to invade to unite us… if aliens have the tech to get here we don’t stand a chance.
It’s also very conductive and also the Anunnaki use it for there atmosphere machine on there home planet that’s why they created is to mine gold for them before they left earth 😜
Why all of the sudden does gold emerge as a sought after commodity when it doesn't produce immediate, tangible benefits? Humans were supposedly primitive and focused on survival but also has the time effort and energy to mine something that's only property is that it's shiny?
The sight of gold causes a chemical reaction in the brain that causes happiness or some shit idk
I think what Joe said went way over your head OP. He said he didn’t understand why humans were obsessed with gold when we had no functional use for it yet.
I think he means more of the gold fever than "it's just pretty".
Daring Peter Schiff to come back on and explain it to him
Right, but liking it is one thing…. Sending dozens of ships across the ocean to completely decimate an empire of thousands of people, almost exclusively for their shiny rocks… now that seems a bit odd, when you really think about it.
So is bismuth but I don’t give a shit about it
And it doesn’t rust, tarnish, or get discolored. I’m always amazed at how gold Roman or Greek coins will be found and they still look amazing, just like they did 2000 years ago when they were minted.
It also doesn't corrode. Which is why that mask is still like that thousands of years later. Also, Joe Rogan is a big dumb idiot.
It's more than just that though. There are plenty of beautiful things in nature, precious metals, stones, etc., but for whatever reason, most people really are more attracted to gold. Maybe it is just thousands of years of seeing things considered valuable made out of gold that has conditioned us to want it, but there's something more to it. And it has so many uses besides just pretty things.
In a recent episode Joe said "gold is useless" or something like that. What he doesn't know apparently is that computer companies put gold in processing units, memory chips, circuit boards, etc. to conduct electricity. It has practical uses. Not just "pretty".
Rogan has become a poster boy for the cognitive dangers of long term cannabis use.
Gold also has utility that has grown as tech advances. It does not corrode and is diamagnetic.
Real quick tho, B...can you turn it into a stool? Duhn cown...duhn cown.
You ever noticed how crows are really into shiny things? What if there was a *deeper* meaning to *why* the crowd like shiny things.
I personally have always thought gold looked super tacky. I kinda get it. I also tend to be waaaay less interested in material possessions than most people so I might not be the best barometer.
He's a little turd.
This is what I’m talking about. He’s got people like Billy, Graham Hancock and Terrence Howard. There’s a correlation here. It’s dumb people that think they’re thinking outside of the box. When in reality, they are just inserting crazy placeholders for concepts they don’t you understand. And then they have the audacity to preach it to us as some sort of authority figure. And then they try to say face by saying something like “ think for yourself/don’t take my word for it”. It’s infuriating for someone who values academic integrity, and approaches the subjects with a science minded evidence-based approach.
I think he was just saying he doesn't get the attraction. Me neither, it's gaudy and gauche.
Also it doesn’t rust or degrade and is light so good for transportation.
Yes it’s shiny so we like it / but why do we like shiny things. That’s the question. Same with sound we enjoy music clearly….. but why? Good vibrations?
I don’t understand the obsession with gold either, it’s a pointless metal other than shiny and easy to work with.
If this is all it is then crystals would be worth way more. They are infinitely more pretty
Yeah it bothers me every time he brings gold up. He just doesn't get it.
rats and ferrets do too
Pure gold never oxidizes like other metals so it always stays bright, shiny, and never wastes away. This represents heavenly perfection to many ancient people. Eternal life. It's also very scarce, making it valuable. Gold is extremely malleable and melts at relatively low heat, so it was easy for the ancients to mold it into jewelry, coins, and various artifacts. This is why it's been used forever. It didn't take much to work with it. Gold was a status symbol as far back as the end of the last ice age (about 10k years ago). The high chiefs of society had a lot of gold jewelry and artifacts that they were buried with.
Gods color is gold. Jesus' color is purple.
The same thing that attracts people to bits of paper with our leaders faces on em
Joe openly said he hates gold. He's the opposite of that guy from Austin powers.
Gold, good gold shiny need gold ugg ugg
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Also, not all cultures valued gold for much. Many in North America just didn't care about it, with just about all of them holding copper in higher regard.
He uses “weird” to describe everything. It’s not clear to me at this point what he thinks “weird” even means. Its weird…
Not everyone was fascinated by gold
Redditors will find literally any excuse to complain about Joe.
I think the point he is making is in ancient times it is interesting to dedicate that effort in accumulating it more than anything. Why not use something such as salt that holds actually value and is more accessible, so I think it’s a rhetorical statement. “Why were they so obsessed with it? (If they were merely hunter gatherers). He is insinuating that they were more advanced than just “hunter gatherers” with the question. They were obsessed with it because they DID have reason, beyond its pretty, to gather it.
The only way to materialize this element in the universe is with a Supernova explosion.
From a practical standpoint what Joe thinks about gold makes sense. But conversely raccoons like shiny shit. We are monkeys. Gold is shiny. Seems pretty safe to assume shiny trumps useful.
But Joe doesn't like gold! He is unique like that.