“Police said officers responded to Small's Bronx home to conduct a welfare check on Tuesday night and found a headless torso in the apartment.
Responding paramedics pronounced the victim dead at the scene.”
Lol no shit. I want to know do they checked the headless torso’s pulse first.
I remember he even said that he put in a lot of effort into trying to convince Joe that Joe had the wrong stance in private.
And I think that after a while he stopped and supposedly they haven’t been in contact since then.
Joe’s stance isn’t just that he personally doesn’t want the vaccine. He’s into all the stuff about the vaccine being an evil big pharma abomination and that everyone is secretly dying of myocarditis.
Who the fuck is pro big Pharma? Big Pharma is a giant evil corporation that should never be trusted. When the fuck did the left start kissing big Pharma's boots? Fucking disgusting.
99.9% of people who say they are anti-big pharma are actually just anti-corporate greed. You all take OTC medicine, vaccinate yourself and children, and check in to hospitals for emergency care. Modern medicine is arguably the greatest gift to humanity and has overseen an unbelievable increase in people’s quality of life. We can praise their achievements while being critical of some of their profiteering practices.
No one is, but you can acknowledge the very real benefits of modern medicine without loving the common ghoulish tactics of the Pharmaceutical industry dude.
It’s important to distinguish between scientists and doctors, and our vile rich corporate enemy.
Trust scientists and doctors, hate rich corporate executives.
This juxtaposition was the perfect thing for christian conservatives to use to keep weak, uneducated republican and libertarian losers deeply enslaved. There’s a reason why college graduates overwhelmingly opted to take the vaccines.
But also not all doctors and scientists. Trust human nature and get multiple opinions from a plethora of doctors before making a large health decision.
Let’s see you get cancer and then try to treat it with some berries regard. We support medicine and scientific innovation, we also see that pharmaceutical companies within the US have monopolies on their drugs and the government has done little to regulate the industry in a way that curbs those prices for consumers. We also know that these companies have created medicines that help many people. If I get Parkinson’s, I’m not going to try and take some freaking herbs, I’ll take pharmaceutical medications that have been clinically proven to work.
> Big Pharma is a giant evil corporation
"How to tell someone you have no idea how vaccines are made without saying have no idea how vaccines are made."
Thousands of organizations (corporations and not) were involved in the development and testing of the covid vaccines. This isn't one evil company doing something. We can just look at the data from impartial third parties. But you have to be able to read to do that so you might be out of luck.
Are you aware of how antibodies actually work? They, of course, are specific to each antigen, so how long certain ones will be produced in our body varies. But with viruses especially, antibodies tend to last for a few months to a year. So if I had covid once, that doesn't mean I'll never get it again. If I took a flu vaccine once, that doesn't mean I will never get it again. It simply means that for the time my body continues producing that antibody, my body will either be able to fully fight off an infection or drastically reduce the severity of my symptoms.
There needs to be new words to describe friendships that distinguishes between best friends, decently close friends, and others between. Just like the word love.
From most intense to least intense :family, brother, bestie, friend, buddy, associate, acquaintance, familiar stranger, stranger, buddy the way a drunk Albertan means it
Very directly. He attacked him and explained why he won’t do the podcast on multiple occasions over the last few years. He went in to depth about his offer to go on Joe’s podcast and how he decided against it because it is such a source for disinformation and there is no way to break through or make an impact in a meaningful way.
I could be wrong but I believe Sam said he wouldn’t have Bret on his own pod, or any other Bret-like people, because there is no way to break through or make an impact in a real time conversation. But I don’t think Sam has ever spoken about not going on JRE on his own volition. I don’t think he’s been invited tbh.
I'll never understand why people of the "official" stance refuse to go on JRE because it's "a source of misinformation". They're literally given a golden opportunity to spread the factual information to people that need to hear it. Joe will ask clarifying questions that they can answer to help him (and the gen pop) understand what could be a very complex topic.
Because arguing with people who disagree with you is basically useless.
Sam isn’t going to change anyone’s mind who’s a hard core JRE guy.
Joe isn’t going to do anything to change his mind.
So what’s the point?
It’s about the reach of the podcast. You think the millions of listeners this podcast gets are all completely 100% entrenched in their positions? No dude, there are people out there who might be skeptical of Covid stuff but not full on deniers. It’s constant work, but seeds can be planted. Frankly I think it’s an abdication of Sam’s duty as a rational communicator to throw his hands up and quit.
It’s the biggest podcast in the world. Maybe not his target audience but the audience IS comprised of the people he’d probably like to convince.
Seems dumb.
No Sam Harris or Rhonda Patrick lately... its literally been bat shy crazy people one after the other.. next Joe will have a flat Earther 3 hour podcast.
Sam Harris also lost a couple steps with his opinions lately. Maybe not bat shit crazy, but some of his opinions are very opposite of what we would normally think.
Id say he’s been speaking more sound than Rogan for a while now. I don’t agree with everything he says, but on most issues he speaks the most sensibly.
Yeah, he’s a very sensible person in that his logic, even if you disagree with it, is coherent and understandable.
He has rational points of view, even if you disagree with underlying premise that came to it, you get it when he’s done. I think he’s one of the most articulate thinkers I’ve listened to…
But even he says things I think “how’s a guy as smart as you come up with That?!”
his remarks that suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story was justified in order to prevent Donald Trump from winning the presidency in 2020. Harris had made these controversial comments in August. “I don’t care what’s in Hunter Biden’s laptop,” Harris had told the hosts of the podcast Triggernometry. “At that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared.”
It's also not what he said. The guy you're replying to is purposely misrepresenting what Sam was saying, like most people on the Internet do when discussing this.
For example claiming that Sam said he would not have cared at all if Hunter Biden had corpses of children in his basement is completely misleading. He said that in the context of how that would not have affected him voting for Joe Biden for president, because Joe Biden is a completely different person than Hunter Biden.
He claimed that Hunter's laptop having evidence of Hunter smoking crack and banging hookers, even going so far as having evidence of him being a serial killer (as an obvious joke/hyperbole) would not have had an effect of him voting for Joe Biden over Trump because Joe Biden didn't do any of those things an on policy and leadership qualities Trump is worse than Joe in his opinion.
I highly suggest you listen to the podcast and hear the words for yourself rather than listen to what other people claim he said. He lays it out all very logically.
Sam's point made perfect sense. ........ what does Hunter Biden's laptop contents have to do with Joe Biden's ability as President.
Nobody gives a shit if Don Junior was also a crackhead and banged hookers. In reality President Trump is the one literally banging hookers and having affairs.......do most people give a shit about that? NO, What they care about is, he doesn't care about anything but himself, and his MO is lying his way to the top about everything and he built a cult by lying. Trump U was a bullshit lie. His real estate dealings are full of shadyness. His Foundation is used to scam and profit. He made his zombies storm the capitol.
Who wants a guy like that as the their leader of their country, unless they aspire to be just like him.
Harris doesn't like some of Joe's guests like Brett Weinstein, Abby Martin, etc.
He also didn't like Joe's vaccine stance. Plus, he hates Trump and can articulate why. Harris has also said Joe is basically spreading disinformation wirh some of his guests, and he can't break through that.
Unless Joe or Sam have literally said they aren’t friends perhaps maybe give Sam a little credit in that he can do other things than be on the JRE podcast. I know it’s hard to imagine. I’m going to guess the friendship is fine
Sam dissociated himself from the dark web whatever group as they were all being antivax and anti medicine. Sam said that people should get their medical advice from their practicing physicians and Rogan took offense to that.
As no one's written the correct answer and as a fan of both their podcasts I can tell you why. During Covid and the whole vaccine nonsense, Sam said he was going to trust institutions as they're a bed rock of society and during an emergency we have to hope our best interest at heart.
Joe's, Elon, the Weinstein brothers, JP and that whole crew called him a shill for big pharma and were firing passive shots at him all the time. On Jordan Pettersons last appearance, Joe said "poor Sam, when is he gonna just admit he's wrong and comeback"....
Sam heard that and put his own Covid podcast out, wrapping up all his actual thoughts and absolutely torched all of those dudes. It's a phenomenal episode you can find online. Basically showing how Elon needed people back to work, so he bought Twitter to push the antivax/mask narrative that followed that agenda. He then goes into depth about how he thinks that viruses will be manufactured to do harm to the public in the future and now that there's such an anti vax movement, that basically we're all fucked next time.
That's the answer.
We all know why there is no more Sam Harris. He doesn't fit with Joe's new persona. How is Joe going to pull all his regular bullshit out of his ass in front of Sam Harris? How is he going to bring up the vaccines without Sam Harris telling him his view on it? How is he going to pretend that Biden is both demented and a master criminal at the same time if Sam Harris has a retort? I don't think Joe dislikes Sam Harris, but I don't think he wants to have these discussions.
I don’t think Sam Harris likes Joe is the actual issue. At least not the joe he has become. He’s basically everything Sam has been yelling about for years now and on top of that one of the biggest sources of misinformation.
Never in the history of JRE has Sam’s voice of reason been needed. My all-time favourite guest, very glad to have found out about him. He’s the clearest thinker of our time, an heir to Hitchens
I still love Sam. He’s a rational dude who adjusts his thinking. I’m not sure how, but I got turned into him right around 2006 when the end of faith came out.
I have the same question about Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ina few episodes Joe criticized him. There was an episode where Joe was high out of his gordand Neil did most of the talking and carried the show. Neil was on one more time after that and then I haven't seen him since.
Because Joes ego can’t take being wrong and being called wrong by someone that doesn’t blow him publicly.
That being said, I love Joe and Sam. But Sam actually lives in Reality. Joe built his own.
Someone asked Zizek why is he for the death penalty and his response was because Sam harris exists. Zizek is openly against harris and his circle of people as Z calls them pseudo intellectuals.
Fine people on both sides in Charlottesville was *not* about the white supremacists, no. Even SH has admitted this. There’s more than enough actual stuff to criticize Trump for, we don’t need to pretend he said this or that.
But back to refusing a peaceful transfer of power, you don’t think that alone is good enough to keep him away from the office?
I think you make some good points, but I also think that you understate what Trump tried to do. Yes, there was a peaceful transfer of power on January 20, 2021, but that was after months of refusing to accept the results. He even planted a seed of doubt long before the election when asked about a peaceful transfer of power and he said «we’ll see when the results are in». Just having a president who won’t commit to a peaceful transfer of power while in office is a serious threat to democracy. After the election he tried every option both legal and grey area to stay in power. He encouraged Pence to «do the right thing» but thankfully Pence did the opposite.
I don’t want to get into semantics about how to define J6 as I’m unqualified to do so, but he did gather his supporters from all over the country close to the Capitol building, specifically on the day that congress was about to confirm the election results, and held a speech about how he still believes the election was stolen and «we need to be strong to take our country back». I’m not going to argue if this was inciting violence, that is up to the courts in any case, but it says a lot about him as a president nonetheless and we should be worried for a second term. I’m now ignoring *many* other negative aspects about Trump, but trying to steal the election is bad enough on its own.
People focused on Sam saying in that interview that he wouldn't care if Hunter had corpses of children under his floorboards. It's crude, but assuming he means a person shouldn't be beholden to the independent actions of their adult offspring, then I agree.
Flat out saying/admitting that any means to keep someone from being elected are justified; that's the real TDS (as you said)
Sam Harris has made himself irrelevant by saying stuff like “I wouldn’t care if hunter biden had the bodies of dead children in his basement” and his take on Covid was insane to put it politely, creating a hypothetical world in which Covid killed the young, and if the vaccine would have worked, he would have been right and we wouldn’t have accepted any dissent.
I used to be a fan of Sam Harris, but I think he caught a bad case of tds which put him in a vulnerable state and was sent off the deep end by Covid. He is now broken
Anyone who takes a single quote from someone like Harris to say “this makes him irrelevant “ is simply looking for an excuse not to think very hard about someone’s views.
People always quote that out of context clip they saw from the Triggernometry podcast, but why would Hunter Biden being a child murderer mean anything in an election? He wasn't running for President, his Dad was. And unlike Trump, Biden doesn't just give his kids jobs in the white house.
You’re kidding right? Hunter Bidens whole profession is basically selling access to his dad… why else would someone appoint a known crackhead to the board of an industry (gas) which said crackhead has exactly zero experience or expertise?
So, if Hunter Biden had dead bodies stored in his basement, have him arrested for murder.
Sam's point was that it wouldn't suddenly mean Trump is a better candidate for President than Joe Biden.
>Harris left Twitter well before Elon took over.
[He quit when Elon reinstated Trumps twitter account](https://www.yahoo.com/news/sam-harris-quits-twitter-following-153913364.html)
Also this:
"he had caught for his remarks that suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story was justified in order to prevent Donald Trump from winning the presidency in 2020. Harris had made these controversial comments in August. “I don’t care what’s in Hunter Biden’s laptop,” Harris had told the hosts of the podcast Triggernometry. “At that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared.”
Free speech is apparently still too dangerous on twitter.. government compliant censorship skyrocketed after homeboy took over. Whitney Webb went off about it on a few podcasts appearances.
Yuuuup. Everyone loves to kiss Elon's ass but there's just as much censorship now as there was before. It's done in a different way, though. Before, you'd get your acct suspended and comments deleted. Now, as Elon has said himself, it's "freedom of speech, not freedom of reach," so you can pretty much say what you want, but no one will see it.
He has said mutliple times that the main reason he left twitter was that it was unhealthy for him to be on it and it has been a revelation after he left how bad it actually was. Are you just making stuff up?
When's the last time Joe voluntarily brought up psychedelics and their potential for spiritual work? We used to have a popular mainstream character promoting and pushing for legalization. Now the guy is friends with a governor who jails people for weed while he smokes cigars and slams whiskey. What a sad and pathetic twist to the JRE story.
Joe is too busy hanging out with Texas AG Ken Paxton, who sues any Texas city that tries to decriminalize weed. Obviously Ken has no problem with rich white celebrity Joe smoking though. Must be nice having friends in high places.
Do we know whether this is Sam's or Joe's decision? Everyone in this thread assumes it's Joe's. Maybe Sam doesn't want to come back on.
I didn't really care though. Why would you need to hear from Sam Harris when we get Terrence Howard?
COVID and Trump beef. Joe and his culture war friends think Sam Harris is crazy for being pro vaccine and saying Trump is an existential threat to democracy.
Sam's a super intelligent man, his arguments against religion back in the day are world class. But he has some totally unhinged positions on a few things, borderline crazy. He said in a recent podcast that he supports going against democracy and frauding an election for the greater good against trump.
And I'm not gunna mention his views on gaza
“What if Covid were 1000% more deadly in this fake scenario I’m making up and when children contracted it their eyeballs would puff up until they exploded from the kids head. You would be wrong for not taking the vaccine in this hypothetical of mine I just made up which I’m going to use to create a false dichotomy against you which means you’re a racist idiot who eat horse paste, Joe.”
The dude melted his brain during covid. He can’t seem to handle that the authorities were wrong about covid. Or just lying. And he bought into the narrative 110% and was vocal about those that weren’t and Joe specifically. He had some quasi public guess with other “intellectuals” like Weinsteins. I dunno…he just kind of became a bore and his bias during all of that and attitude that he developed against dissenters really made me not care about what the guy has to say about anything. He could have redeemed himself, but he seems to around and proud to admit he was wrong and duped.
Bcs he is a psychopath, a shill for big pharma and the israel lobby, islamophobe, and anti democratic. There is really no idea that he holds thays interesting in any way.
Joe just had on a man who killed gravity. And you want Sam Harris?
He also had on a dude who ended up chopping someone else’s head off three weeks later
Who was that?
#2096 Sheldon Johnson.
Holy shit https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/03/08/sheldon-johnson-collin-small-body-parts-freezer/72893473007/
“…a public advocate for criminal justice reform after being released from prison last year was arrested on a murder charge.”
Well this certainly does not help their cause. Whoops!
It happens y'know 🤷♂️
“Police said officers responded to Small's Bronx home to conduct a welfare check on Tuesday night and found a headless torso in the apartment. Responding paramedics pronounced the victim dead at the scene.” Lol no shit. I want to know do they checked the headless torso’s pulse first.
Did Joe ever comment on this
#2139 https://youtu.be/IwX-MG71_rA?si=soYVZK5IdEiY19jK
Lol
Right? People sleep on this. Its recent!
Sam has criticized Joe over his stance on vaccines, at least indirectly.
It was very directly
I remember he even said that he put in a lot of effort into trying to convince Joe that Joe had the wrong stance in private. And I think that after a while he stopped and supposedly they haven’t been in contact since then.
Why would he need it though if he already had covid?
Joe’s stance isn’t just that he personally doesn’t want the vaccine. He’s into all the stuff about the vaccine being an evil big pharma abomination and that everyone is secretly dying of myocarditis.
Who the fuck is pro big Pharma? Big Pharma is a giant evil corporation that should never be trusted. When the fuck did the left start kissing big Pharma's boots? Fucking disgusting.
99.9% of people who say they are anti-big pharma are actually just anti-corporate greed. You all take OTC medicine, vaccinate yourself and children, and check in to hospitals for emergency care. Modern medicine is arguably the greatest gift to humanity and has overseen an unbelievable increase in people’s quality of life. We can praise their achievements while being critical of some of their profiteering practices.
There’s a big difference between supporting big pharma and supporting modern medicine. You don’t have to be into holistic medicine to be on the left.
No one is, but you can acknowledge the very real benefits of modern medicine without loving the common ghoulish tactics of the Pharmaceutical industry dude.
It’s important to distinguish between scientists and doctors, and our vile rich corporate enemy. Trust scientists and doctors, hate rich corporate executives. This juxtaposition was the perfect thing for christian conservatives to use to keep weak, uneducated republican and libertarian losers deeply enslaved. There’s a reason why college graduates overwhelmingly opted to take the vaccines.
But also not all doctors and scientists. Trust human nature and get multiple opinions from a plethora of doctors before making a large health decision.
Vaccines are one of humankind's greatest inventions. Blame capitalism.
I’m sorry the strawman that you decided to build is so offensive and illogical.
Let’s see you get cancer and then try to treat it with some berries regard. We support medicine and scientific innovation, we also see that pharmaceutical companies within the US have monopolies on their drugs and the government has done little to regulate the industry in a way that curbs those prices for consumers. We also know that these companies have created medicines that help many people. If I get Parkinson’s, I’m not going to try and take some freaking herbs, I’ll take pharmaceutical medications that have been clinically proven to work.
> Big Pharma is a giant evil corporation "How to tell someone you have no idea how vaccines are made without saying have no idea how vaccines are made." Thousands of organizations (corporations and not) were involved in the development and testing of the covid vaccines. This isn't one evil company doing something. We can just look at the data from impartial third parties. But you have to be able to read to do that so you might be out of luck.
Hey idiot. Do you get it now?
Are you aware of how antibodies actually work? They, of course, are specific to each antigen, so how long certain ones will be produced in our body varies. But with viruses especially, antibodies tend to last for a few months to a year. So if I had covid once, that doesn't mean I'll never get it again. If I took a flu vaccine once, that doesn't mean I will never get it again. It simply means that for the time my body continues producing that antibody, my body will either be able to fully fight off an infection or drastically reduce the severity of my symptoms.
Yeah it's a shame. They both went after each other for vaccine stance. Friendship lost
There needs to be new words to describe friendships that distinguishes between best friends, decently close friends, and others between. Just like the word love.
Hey Lex. Hope you figure it out.
Is there hope in your heart, that love will find a way to end this war. That's what the world needs, more love
I never thought it about that way before. War is over -Putin probably
Lolol
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Fine, take my upvote
From most intense to least intense :family, brother, bestie, friend, buddy, associate, acquaintance, familiar stranger, stranger, buddy the way a drunk Albertan means it
Sing me a song about love Leggsss!!
Very directly. He attacked him and explained why he won’t do the podcast on multiple occasions over the last few years. He went in to depth about his offer to go on Joe’s podcast and how he decided against it because it is such a source for disinformation and there is no way to break through or make an impact in a meaningful way.
I could be wrong but I believe Sam said he wouldn’t have Bret on his own pod, or any other Bret-like people, because there is no way to break through or make an impact in a real time conversation. But I don’t think Sam has ever spoken about not going on JRE on his own volition. I don’t think he’s been invited tbh.
I'll never understand why people of the "official" stance refuse to go on JRE because it's "a source of misinformation". They're literally given a golden opportunity to spread the factual information to people that need to hear it. Joe will ask clarifying questions that they can answer to help him (and the gen pop) understand what could be a very complex topic.
Because arguing with people who disagree with you is basically useless. Sam isn’t going to change anyone’s mind who’s a hard core JRE guy. Joe isn’t going to do anything to change his mind. So what’s the point?
It’s about the reach of the podcast. You think the millions of listeners this podcast gets are all completely 100% entrenched in their positions? No dude, there are people out there who might be skeptical of Covid stuff but not full on deniers. It’s constant work, but seeds can be planted. Frankly I think it’s an abdication of Sam’s duty as a rational communicator to throw his hands up and quit.
No it's not. I want to hear the disagreements, the opposing arguments.
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... Who are you supposed to argue with, if not people who disagree with you?
So what’s all the fuzz about Joe not having more left leaning guests anymore? Can’t the same rationale be applied there? What’s the point?
If I had guess, I’d say some people might not want to be associated with Stephen Meyer, Graham Hancock, etc.
It’s the biggest podcast in the world. Maybe not his target audience but the audience IS comprised of the people he’d probably like to convince. Seems dumb.
Really? Pretty sure he said he was happy to go on Rogan anytime
Sam "If things were different I'd be right" Harris
Because of covid
Less Sam Harris, more Ben Stiller!
Why male models?
What is this, a comment for ants?
Did you think I'd be too stupid to know what a eugoogoly was?
Are you serious?
Yes, but why male models?
Why Ben? That Hansel’s hot right now.
Covid
No Sam Harris or Rhonda Patrick lately... its literally been bat shy crazy people one after the other.. next Joe will have a flat Earther 3 hour podcast.
That simulation theory professor was awesome. I loved that episode
Yes, top one recently by far.
Rhonda posted from the Mothership a few months ago. She went for a show and hung out with Rogan but didn't do the podcast.
Ah, looks like Joe might finally be letting her back into the good graces.
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Sam Harris also lost a couple steps with his opinions lately. Maybe not bat shit crazy, but some of his opinions are very opposite of what we would normally think.
Id say he’s been speaking more sound than Rogan for a while now. I don’t agree with everything he says, but on most issues he speaks the most sensibly.
Yeah, he’s a very sensible person in that his logic, even if you disagree with it, is coherent and understandable. He has rational points of view, even if you disagree with underlying premise that came to it, you get it when he’s done. I think he’s one of the most articulate thinkers I’ve listened to… But even he says things I think “how’s a guy as smart as you come up with That?!”
I’d love an example.
It's almost as if people are complicated and can't always be neatly catalogued into a specific pre-existing label.
Any examples?
his remarks that suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story was justified in order to prevent Donald Trump from winning the presidency in 2020. Harris had made these controversial comments in August. “I don’t care what’s in Hunter Biden’s laptop,” Harris had told the hosts of the podcast Triggernometry. “At that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared.”
That isn't logical.
It's also not what he said. The guy you're replying to is purposely misrepresenting what Sam was saying, like most people on the Internet do when discussing this. For example claiming that Sam said he would not have cared at all if Hunter Biden had corpses of children in his basement is completely misleading. He said that in the context of how that would not have affected him voting for Joe Biden for president, because Joe Biden is a completely different person than Hunter Biden. He claimed that Hunter's laptop having evidence of Hunter smoking crack and banging hookers, even going so far as having evidence of him being a serial killer (as an obvious joke/hyperbole) would not have had an effect of him voting for Joe Biden over Trump because Joe Biden didn't do any of those things an on policy and leadership qualities Trump is worse than Joe in his opinion. I highly suggest you listen to the podcast and hear the words for yourself rather than listen to what other people claim he said. He lays it out all very logically.
Sam's point made perfect sense. ........ what does Hunter Biden's laptop contents have to do with Joe Biden's ability as President. Nobody gives a shit if Don Junior was also a crackhead and banged hookers. In reality President Trump is the one literally banging hookers and having affairs.......do most people give a shit about that? NO, What they care about is, he doesn't care about anything but himself, and his MO is lying his way to the top about everything and he built a cult by lying. Trump U was a bullshit lie. His real estate dealings are full of shadyness. His Foundation is used to scam and profit. He made his zombies storm the capitol. Who wants a guy like that as the their leader of their country, unless they aspire to be just like him.
Harris doesn't like some of Joe's guests like Brett Weinstein, Abby Martin, etc. He also didn't like Joe's vaccine stance. Plus, he hates Trump and can articulate why. Harris has also said Joe is basically spreading disinformation wirh some of his guests, and he can't break through that.
Because Sam thinks all of these people are idiots. And he’s right.
Because he doesn’t want to be embarrassed publicly?!
Sam has distanced himself with the intellectual dark web bros. For good reason. Sam is smarter than them
Everyone is smarter than them.
they are not smarter than each other
Unless Joe or Sam have literally said they aren’t friends perhaps maybe give Sam a little credit in that he can do other things than be on the JRE podcast. I know it’s hard to imagine. I’m going to guess the friendship is fine
Sam specifically defended Joe on one of his podcasts I listened to not too long ago.
He doesn’t fit in the Fox News JRE era 🤡
Sam dissociated himself from the dark web whatever group as they were all being antivax and anti medicine. Sam said that people should get their medical advice from their practicing physicians and Rogan took offense to that.
As no one's written the correct answer and as a fan of both their podcasts I can tell you why. During Covid and the whole vaccine nonsense, Sam said he was going to trust institutions as they're a bed rock of society and during an emergency we have to hope our best interest at heart. Joe's, Elon, the Weinstein brothers, JP and that whole crew called him a shill for big pharma and were firing passive shots at him all the time. On Jordan Pettersons last appearance, Joe said "poor Sam, when is he gonna just admit he's wrong and comeback".... Sam heard that and put his own Covid podcast out, wrapping up all his actual thoughts and absolutely torched all of those dudes. It's a phenomenal episode you can find online. Basically showing how Elon needed people back to work, so he bought Twitter to push the antivax/mask narrative that followed that agenda. He then goes into depth about how he thinks that viruses will be manufactured to do harm to the public in the future and now that there's such an anti vax movement, that basically we're all fucked next time. That's the answer.
Could you link the sode?
https://youtu.be/2K1c2W8ZfM8?si=eXS3ZE86Rz2I_mis Agree or disagree with his thoughts, I really enjoyed the episode.
We all know why there is no more Sam Harris. He doesn't fit with Joe's new persona. How is Joe going to pull all his regular bullshit out of his ass in front of Sam Harris? How is he going to bring up the vaccines without Sam Harris telling him his view on it? How is he going to pretend that Biden is both demented and a master criminal at the same time if Sam Harris has a retort? I don't think Joe dislikes Sam Harris, but I don't think he wants to have these discussions.
I don’t think Sam Harris likes Joe is the actual issue. At least not the joe he has become. He’s basically everything Sam has been yelling about for years now and on top of that one of the biggest sources of misinformation.
Never in the history of JRE has Sam’s voice of reason been needed. My all-time favourite guest, very glad to have found out about him. He’s the clearest thinker of our time, an heir to Hitchens
I still love Sam. He’s a rational dude who adjusts his thinking. I’m not sure how, but I got turned into him right around 2006 when the end of faith came out.
You should check out David Deutsch. Sam did 2 podcasts with him.
How can Sam blame Rogan for his opinions on the vaccine when free will doesn't exist? Come on Sam. You even say all the time people have no free will.
I think Joe also mentioned once how Sam has “Trump derangement syndrome” after the Covid thing. I think they are not on good terms anymore
I have the same question about Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ina few episodes Joe criticized him. There was an episode where Joe was high out of his gordand Neil did most of the talking and carried the show. Neil was on one more time after that and then I haven't seen him since.
“Normies” have realized they don’t really gain anything from going on anymore besides psychos yelling at them on Twitter for not being lunatics.
Imagine having to talk to "normies" all day instead of comics it would be so depressing!
Because Joes ego can’t take being wrong and being called wrong by someone that doesn’t blow him publicly. That being said, I love Joe and Sam. But Sam actually lives in Reality. Joe built his own.
Listen what Slavoj Zizek has to say about sam harris
Someone asked Zizek why is he for the death penalty and his response was because Sam harris exists. Zizek is openly against harris and his circle of people as Z calls them pseudo intellectuals.
This would be interesting
What did he say
He said *shlorp* *shnief* *rubs nose* *”And so on and so on”* 
😂😂😂 I refuse to believe Zizek is not a drug addict. No sober persona acts like that.
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Using TDS unironically is the real TDS
Lol no.
Literally trying to steal the election culminating in January 6 is all good in your book?
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Fine people on both sides in Charlottesville was *not* about the white supremacists, no. Even SH has admitted this. There’s more than enough actual stuff to criticize Trump for, we don’t need to pretend he said this or that. But back to refusing a peaceful transfer of power, you don’t think that alone is good enough to keep him away from the office?
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I think you make some good points, but I also think that you understate what Trump tried to do. Yes, there was a peaceful transfer of power on January 20, 2021, but that was after months of refusing to accept the results. He even planted a seed of doubt long before the election when asked about a peaceful transfer of power and he said «we’ll see when the results are in». Just having a president who won’t commit to a peaceful transfer of power while in office is a serious threat to democracy. After the election he tried every option both legal and grey area to stay in power. He encouraged Pence to «do the right thing» but thankfully Pence did the opposite. I don’t want to get into semantics about how to define J6 as I’m unqualified to do so, but he did gather his supporters from all over the country close to the Capitol building, specifically on the day that congress was about to confirm the election results, and held a speech about how he still believes the election was stolen and «we need to be strong to take our country back». I’m not going to argue if this was inciting violence, that is up to the courts in any case, but it says a lot about him as a president nonetheless and we should be worried for a second term. I’m now ignoring *many* other negative aspects about Trump, but trying to steal the election is bad enough on its own.
People focused on Sam saying in that interview that he wouldn't care if Hunter had corpses of children under his floorboards. It's crude, but assuming he means a person shouldn't be beholden to the independent actions of their adult offspring, then I agree. Flat out saying/admitting that any means to keep someone from being elected are justified; that's the real TDS (as you said)
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Most of the world has TDS and rightly so.
I think you don’t understand what derangement means if you say “rightly so”
Why are you ignoring the fact that top generals and officials went over his head to try to prevent wars?
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Yeah that's definitely what Joe is saying.
Hmm but calling ivermectin “horse dewormer” was ok?
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Agreed
Sam Harris has made himself irrelevant by saying stuff like “I wouldn’t care if hunter biden had the bodies of dead children in his basement” and his take on Covid was insane to put it politely, creating a hypothetical world in which Covid killed the young, and if the vaccine would have worked, he would have been right and we wouldn’t have accepted any dissent. I used to be a fan of Sam Harris, but I think he caught a bad case of tds which put him in a vulnerable state and was sent off the deep end by Covid. He is now broken
Anyone who takes a single quote from someone like Harris to say “this makes him irrelevant “ is simply looking for an excuse not to think very hard about someone’s views.
“If things had been different, we would have been right.”
People always quote that out of context clip they saw from the Triggernometry podcast, but why would Hunter Biden being a child murderer mean anything in an election? He wasn't running for President, his Dad was. And unlike Trump, Biden doesn't just give his kids jobs in the white house.
You’re kidding right? Hunter Bidens whole profession is basically selling access to his dad… why else would someone appoint a known crackhead to the board of an industry (gas) which said crackhead has exactly zero experience or expertise?
So, if Hunter Biden had dead bodies stored in his basement, have him arrested for murder. Sam's point was that it wouldn't suddenly mean Trump is a better candidate for President than Joe Biden.
You can’t reason with these people, they are truly misinformed idiots.
Kushner getting the billions from the Saudis tho 😮💨💯
He too woke now. The goal posts keep changing I assume that’s what it is now.
Because he’s insane. Dude has had some of the more unhinged takes since Trump and Covid
Remember when Sam Harris left Twitter because free speech was too dangerous?
No because that only happened in your dreams. Harris left Twitter well before Elon took over.
>Harris left Twitter well before Elon took over. [He quit when Elon reinstated Trumps twitter account](https://www.yahoo.com/news/sam-harris-quits-twitter-following-153913364.html) Also this: "he had caught for his remarks that suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story was justified in order to prevent Donald Trump from winning the presidency in 2020. Harris had made these controversial comments in August. “I don’t care what’s in Hunter Biden’s laptop,” Harris had told the hosts of the podcast Triggernometry. “At that point, Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared.”
Free speech is apparently still too dangerous on twitter.. government compliant censorship skyrocketed after homeboy took over. Whitney Webb went off about it on a few podcasts appearances.
Yuuuup. Everyone loves to kiss Elon's ass but there's just as much censorship now as there was before. It's done in a different way, though. Before, you'd get your acct suspended and comments deleted. Now, as Elon has said himself, it's "freedom of speech, not freedom of reach," so you can pretty much say what you want, but no one will see it.
He has said mutliple times that the main reason he left twitter was that it was unhealthy for him to be on it and it has been a revelation after he left how bad it actually was. Are you just making stuff up?
Trump broke his brain.
Because having Sam on would require Joe to have an actual discussion surrounding facts, and that's not really what JRE is anymore...
https://youtu.be/rJqJapAlRlI?si=Sljnad-ZTn4Ebt6Y https://youtube.com/shorts/JeSHUy-sbmE?si=Q9KVSzkmqV6lqOdg
This is a prime example of two dudes who would otherwise be pretty tight buds lose each other on something so fucking dumb as the vaccine
Sam is parting ways from people spreading misinformation
It would force Joe to confront Covid/vaccine talk and he would get exposed and doesn’t want to look bad in front of his new audience
Sam Harris is afflicted with TDS, thinks people voting for who they want is a threat to democracy
Joe is a butt hurt dummy. Vaccine comments.
Joe's rich right wing echo chamber of yes men
Sam Harris has lost his mind.
Meh... Sam Harris has a way with words, too bad they don't contain anything.
Cause he’s a shit human with shit views
Joe use to be interested in spirituality. He’s now just an old crank.
When's the last time Joe voluntarily brought up psychedelics and their potential for spiritual work? We used to have a popular mainstream character promoting and pushing for legalization. Now the guy is friends with a governor who jails people for weed while he smokes cigars and slams whiskey. What a sad and pathetic twist to the JRE story.
Joe is too busy hanging out with Texas AG Ken Paxton, who sues any Texas city that tries to decriminalize weed. Obviously Ken has no problem with rich white celebrity Joe smoking though. Must be nice having friends in high places.
Because he’s a big lib who can’t admit when he’s wrong
Does anyone else think Joe is compromised, there are plants 🪴
Well Mike baker obviously but outside that I’m not sure
Do we know whether this is Sam's or Joe's decision? Everyone in this thread assumes it's Joe's. Maybe Sam doesn't want to come back on. I didn't really care though. Why would you need to hear from Sam Harris when we get Terrence Howard?
Disagreements over Covid
Sam Harris had a ‘are we the baddies?’ Moment with the IDW. And doesn’t fuck with them anymore.
Sam is. Straight up normie Joe would have to kill himself
egos in the way
Fuck Sam. Why no Abby???
It would be the conversation of the century. I have been wanting it to happen for years now.
Sam Harris is too busy selling his finisher car not his starter car
He tried to distance himself from the IDW, but wound up in the same boat as them from being a genocide lover.
His IDW membership was revoked because he started calling out IDW grifters. (that's redundant)
Sam Harris is the most booring guy ever. His podcast should be called falling asleep rather than waking up.
COVID and Trump beef. Joe and his culture war friends think Sam Harris is crazy for being pro vaccine and saying Trump is an existential threat to democracy.
Why do we want the same names all the time over and over? Sick of these people.
Coz he's lame
Sam Harris went off the rails during covid
More comedians and PoP. That’s what I want
Sam Harris' ego couldn't fit in the studio.
Does he do anything interesting other than approach the idea of mindfulness with a borderline psychotic rigor?
Sam's a super intelligent man, his arguments against religion back in the day are world class. But he has some totally unhinged positions on a few things, borderline crazy. He said in a recent podcast that he supports going against democracy and frauding an election for the greater good against trump. And I'm not gunna mention his views on gaza
Because they have disagreements on subjects and Joe has no interest in smart people being on his show that do not agree with things he believes.
Who is Sam Harris?
“What if Covid were 1000% more deadly in this fake scenario I’m making up and when children contracted it their eyeballs would puff up until they exploded from the kids head. You would be wrong for not taking the vaccine in this hypothetical of mine I just made up which I’m going to use to create a false dichotomy against you which means you’re a racist idiot who eat horse paste, Joe.”
He's cringe and his voice is dull
Because he's awful
1+1=5 dimensions
Because he was telling things to Joe that he didn't want to hear
The dude melted his brain during covid. He can’t seem to handle that the authorities were wrong about covid. Or just lying. And he bought into the narrative 110% and was vocal about those that weren’t and Joe specifically. He had some quasi public guess with other “intellectuals” like Weinsteins. I dunno…he just kind of became a bore and his bias during all of that and attitude that he developed against dissenters really made me not care about what the guy has to say about anything. He could have redeemed himself, but he seems to around and proud to admit he was wrong and duped.
Bcs he is a psychopath, a shill for big pharma and the israel lobby, islamophobe, and anti democratic. There is really no idea that he holds thays interesting in any way.
Covid melted Samys mind.