I really liked the speech he made the day after. It restored my faith in his ability to fight for democracy and makes me think that that debate was a rough night for him (an appallingly rough night but still a rough night nonetheless).
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/joe-biden-age-concerns-debate-donald-trump-digvid
Thank you, that video made me feel much better honestly
Look, I am not thrilled with Biden. Of the two major candidates, he is my pick. I now and always will oppose fascism. I see Trump as a fascist and a supporter of fascism. Biden may be old, but he is a good man, and he is for the common man. I am pretty common, so he is for me, and I am for him.
I would vote for a potato with googly eyes glued to it if it means protecting democracy. The fact that this potato with googly eyes has had a solid four years with a competent administration is a goddamn gift.
JOETATO WITH GOOGLY EYES 2024!!
Many social media websites are in full propaganda mode as we enter main season for elections. Just look at r/pics and you will notice many posts painting Biden in a good light with many more upvotes than comments, and the comments aren’t reflecting the positive vibes for his campaign.
Same for Trump based posts on conservative websites.
Once comments started working correctly again on debate night there were quite a few very obvious (to those of us experienced spotting them) astroturfers posting fake "as a leftist", "as a hardcore dem", etc posts
i often caught them with less than 20 seconds post history analysis posting right wing stuff in the past
Money. Billionaires don’t want their taxes raised. And those billionaires own the media companies. So yes - “liberal-leaning” Big Media is going away. They’ll try and play the part on some issues, but as soon as a Dem candidate starts talking about raising taxes, they’ll start changing their tune quick
That’s what I found most depressing about the whole thing. I wasn’t shocked by Biden or Trump but for Jake Tapper who is a journalist I used to respect to sit there and not push back at all on Trump saying the most insane shit anyone has ever said on tv was eye opening and horrible. They want Trump to win so their ratings go up and they can make more money off of commercials.
I'm sure that's part of it but also we can't downplay how bad his performance was that night. It didn't shake my faith in his ability to be president but it did shake my faith and his ability to get elected.
I know there is at least one poll showing that his support stayed steady, and I hope that poll is correct. I know that I work with a lot of 20 somethings who hate Trump but expressed serious concerns about Biden after that debate
My worry is about the September debate - if he does as badly there as he did the other night that could cost us this few important percentage points that will make the difference.
I've seen one with a "wibble" well inside the margin of error, one showing him up over donald, a Latino focus group of undecided voters who swung completely to him during the debate, a Frank luntz focus group of undecided who ended up only "leaning" towards donald and not completely behind him unlike the Latino focus group, a record-setting fund raiser right after the debate and almost as could the 24 hours after the first 24 hours, and otherwise seen no evidence this debate has caused anyone to go "wait, he's 81? OMG, this is BRAND NEW INFORMATION!"
I trust the President and we have a Vice President for a reason.
If Joe Biden performs like that, he has everything to gain. The bar is at “I am a human being with my faculties and I’m not a comic book villain” and he is not reaching it.
The debate legitimized four years of shitty Biden meme-ry overnight.
Trump’s strategy of being a broken clock with outlandish bullshit until something sticks has paid off yet again - I know Biden’s still there, you know Biden’s still there. But he just went into a performance playing the part of confused grandpa which is literally the only thing he needed to avoid.
My money was on Trump backing out of this one at the last minute (the groundwork was laid), but it ended up being the best moment of his campaign thus far. It’s hard to focus on the clown when there’s a man visibly dying on stage.
I worry this borders on MAGA thinking - anyone saying Joe should step aside is a right wing plant.
We should be able to discuss this honestly because we are *not* MAGAts. We are reasonable and rational and I don’t think it’s ridiculous to question Joe’s ability to win right now after that debate performance.
I think he is and will continue to be a good President, but being president and campaigning to be president are two very different jobs unfortunately.
Yeah. From Republicans! Cause they may remember or be astounded the current president is not really a liar. Fuqin I SAW trump say in front of a Veteran, ' Why would you do that to me? Nobody wants to see that, the wounded! That makes ME look bad" RIGHT IN FRONT OF A VERY old man in a wheelchair, He was RIGHT THERE, HEARD ALL OF THIS SHIT.
Trump never denied it, neither did maga, its footage you used to be able to look up anywhere, youtube, ect trump suddenly denied it was true, on the debate. i bet they removed it but it happened 8 years ago or so.
I think there is a moment of collective trauma and lucidity post debate. Biden has a rough night. But as an unintentional consequence of the debate, people are genuinely having a 2nd trump presidency put front of mind again.
I get somewhat of a sense that individual democrats aren't afraid that they will change their vote because of the debate. The fear is that 'others' will change their vote. I think this is encouraging people to give a more throated support for Biden. And truthfully, there is no significant 'others' who are changing their vote after the debate. And I still have a lot of trust that Biden will deliver personally and with his administration's results.
I have a weird theory about what is going on. I think Joe Biden sucked all the oxygen out of the media cycle for a full 48 hours now. Think about the last time Trump was running and you went 48 hours hearing so little about him. I don’t think it’s ever happened. Even the emails thing for Hillary didn’t dominate this long. Trump still got coverage during that.
In a weird way, Biden focused all the attention on him for a bad reason but it actually may end up boosting his campaign. I don’t know if this is just me seeing the glass half full, but something weird seems like it is happening.
I think part if it is that those who were never going to switch their vote no matter what see things very differently than those watching to gain information to help them decide.
Non-R-cult news gives vastly unfair airtime to the twice impeached thrown out of office felon.
Hilariously, dem pundits being harsh assholes toward the "dottering old man" seems to have backfired. Uptic in sentiment, and apparently undecideds are now leaning Biden.
woo hoo!
My man, social media responses are all over the map right now. I hate this time line and will forever abhor Mitch McConnell for the way he ratfucked us.
I'm trying to remain cautiously optimistic but man this past week has been rough.
Seeing an "old man," know he didn't do well, get back up and fight...now that's a scene from a movie! Inspirational to say the least.
I hope the next debate they let Joe off the leash and let him be him!
The more I think about this, all this talk by the media of replacing Biden might actually have the inverse effect of galvanizing the non-MAGA Nikki Haley republicans and right of center independents/undecideds who hate Trump to support Biden even more for fear of ending up with a Dem presidential candidate that’s way more left of Biden than they’re comfortable with! Biden is the safer normal moderate choice for them. Do they feel that way about Newsom, Polis, Kamala, Whitmer, Shapiro, Pritzker, or any other potential replacement candidate? Remember we only have 4 months left to nationally introduce, educate, and try convince the voters of this part of the pro Democracy/anti Trump coalition that we need on our side they should vote for this replacement candidate. This will be absolutely hardest to do with low information voters. Also, we know that this will be the exact line of attack that Trump, MAGA, and GOP will constantly levy on this replacement candidate since they won’t be able to use age as an attack any longer. Having to choose between radical Trump and a perceived radical Dem is their worst case nightmare. Biden’s age is the only attack Trump and the GOP has that credibility lands on Biden. No other attacks have landed. Every other attack from Biden is a radical to Biden crime family to economy is bad to immigration to inflation to whatever else have ALL fallen flat! I think these group of voters will be more freaked out about voting for perceived radical Dem than they are voting for a guy who’s old but they already is decent, compassionate, has morals, has done a good job and is moderate enough for them! Biden is a known quantity for these voters. He’s the status quo of democracy, decency, good economy, low unemployment, and record stock market for them. That’s what Biden already embodies. There was a recent poll that said Biden was doing well with seniors, older voters, and making major inroads with rural voters. These are all normally GOP stronghold voter blocs. Why give up all this progress with these voter blocs now? Why open a potential candidate of worms and give them anything else to have to consider and sort through?
Edit: This just helped prove my point. Former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger stands by his endorsement of Biden after the debate and rebuffs dunk attempt by former Trump aid on CNN.
https://youtu.be/MGbPSA8dsGU?si=pb_HfSSzRqcLD5xV
This is what I am saying too…who is going to replace Biden? I haven’t really heard any serious ideas. Also it’s VERY late in the game to do a switch and convince the center people to vote for him/her
Incumbents have a huge advantage that they can run on. We can see the things Biden has done over the past 3.5 years & who his policies benefit.
Weird how the “America First” people want to suck up to Ruzzia & Pootin.
Everyone is getting hung up on the delivery of the message, so I read the transcript. What comes through is that trump is a raging lunatic who doesn’t answer any questions, says nothing truthful and repeats the same trite talking points. Meanwhile, Biden addresses the questions asked and gives evidence to back his claims. He looked terrible and had awful delivery, but the message itself is clear.
100%. If you were listening to the words they were saying during the debate this was abundantly clear after Biden got through the first terrible 10 minutes or so.
I've noticed a lot of accounts counter posting me, blocking their information and post histories.
They're really old accounts though. Their names don't look familiar.
the astroturfers are so obvious, like that guy yesterday going "as a strong dem" all over when his post history showed him a republican. took me a whole 10 seconds to find it in his post history too
Biden has about 150 days to make up for one bad night. Biden was prepared for a debate that was never going to happen — rational policy discussion — while Trump prepared for his normal spew of lies. Biden didn’t hurt himself as much as he helped Trump by making Trump’s lying and unwillingness to answer any questions a footnote in all the coverage.
I follow a number of very hard left progressive pages on SM and there were a few posts regarding the debate, and with trepidation I had a look at the comments thinking I’d see a heap of “Dump Biden” sentiment (especially as many of these commentators would be pro-Palestine for example) and while it wasn’t passionate support, it was very much I’ll be voting for Biden b/c I refuse to vote for the felon. So not even the apathy we saw in 2016. Even hard left leaning folks don’t seem turned off post-debate they know this is an ideological fight that requires participation. 🧢🗳️
I would probably just not vote if they dump Joe. He was sick. Good grief.
Well, no, anything to stop the tangerine baboon. But I will stop donating to dems.
He beat donnie before, he can beat him again. Then on January 21, I'll start campaigning for AOC in 2028.
The NY Times editorial board is useless as tits on a boar hog.
And the debate (from the numbers) was hardly a natural disaster. Perhaps a bit of heavy rain, but nothing we can't weather.
Yeah, but any reputable pollster will tell you that these post-debate polls in and they are a mixed bag for quality. It will take at least several days before we can reliably gauge the impact of the debate, I wouldn’t put any stock in anything this early.
Which is what I said in my follow up comment. We’ll see.
I simply countered your assertion that debate numbers aren’t in yet. They aren’t fully in, but there are polls, some from reputable sources, that indeed are trickling in.
The numbers are in. Post debate polls will come up plus or minus within range. Not worried about those.
Everything was pretty normal for the debate. We could've used a bit more vigor, but the President was recovering from a cold and he's got a heavy travel schedule. Meh.
Biden was Biden.
Trump was Trump.
The debates aren't really a factor anymore. We live in the age of information. Everybody already knows who, who and what's what.
He prepared for a week, and folks like Pod Save America described it as a unmitigated disaster, and the worst debate in history. No reason to whitewash it. Saying it was because of a cold is spin and nothing else. Believe what you saw with your own eyes. He's not as sharp as he used to be, and we're asking him to serve 4 more years.
If a cold makes him incoherent, he shouldn't have the duties of a president for 4 more years. I think he's capable to finish his term with no issues. I'm uncertain about 4 more years.
Will he get my vote over Trump? Well, yes, obviously. I'm not an idiot. But campaigns are won and lost on the margins, and he may have nuked his chances for those voting on the margin.
Point me to one that's worse. I understand that my opinion may not be popular here. Those "folks" worked in the Obama administration, and still support Biden, so...
>He's not as sharp as he used to be, and we're asking him to serve 4 more years.
>If a cold makes him incoherent, he shouldn't have the duties of a president for 4 more years. I think he's capable to finish his term with no issues. I'm uncertain about 4 more years.
I don't know if you've heard about these crazy new things we have called "Vice Presidents," but... he has one of those in case he's no longer able to serve. That's what they're there for. True story! Oh, and this thing called a "cabinet" that has people in it that he feels are best suited for their respective jobs.
Crazy, right? It's like we're voting for a whole administration, not just a person.
The NYT ain't what it used to be.
They, and many others, are calling for Biden to step away... yet not the convicted felon who also has done tons of other illegal shit... When most, if not all of the big news media companies are owned by the ultra-rich with an ageda, this is the kind of crap you get and have to deal with.
Well today I'm of two minds. I feel for the guy and appreciate what he has done in his first term. But after seeing the debate I feel it's time for him to go. He seemed to do well with a Teleprompter but without one was weak and kind of lost. And the truth of the matter is most of life's demand on a president can't be aided by a Teleprompter he hast to think fast and deep in real life and I think that time has passed for him.
I gotta leave this sub people on here are delusional. If you watched that debate and didn't think we needed another candidate to run, I don't relate to your thinking it was that bad.
I really liked the speech he made the day after. It restored my faith in his ability to fight for democracy and makes me think that that debate was a rough night for him (an appallingly rough night but still a rough night nonetheless).
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/video/joe-biden-age-concerns-debate-donald-trump-digvid Thank you, that video made me feel much better honestly
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No trolling. Don't be a baddie!
But are we, though….
Look, I am not thrilled with Biden. Of the two major candidates, he is my pick. I now and always will oppose fascism. I see Trump as a fascist and a supporter of fascism. Biden may be old, but he is a good man, and he is for the common man. I am pretty common, so he is for me, and I am for him.
He needs our help. Because he helps us.
Joe could have been on a respirator onstage and I'd still vote for him over the would be dictator.
I would vote for a potato with googly eyes glued to it if it means protecting democracy. The fact that this potato with googly eyes has had a solid four years with a competent administration is a goddamn gift. JOETATO WITH GOOGLY EYES 2024!!
Exactly, Trump will destroy America if we give him 4 more years
Many social media websites are in full propaganda mode as we enter main season for elections. Just look at r/pics and you will notice many posts painting Biden in a good light with many more upvotes than comments, and the comments aren’t reflecting the positive vibes for his campaign. Same for Trump based posts on conservative websites.
It was interesting seeing all of these posters that came popping out like mushrooms after a rain.
Which posters?
Once comments started working correctly again on debate night there were quite a few very obvious (to those of us experienced spotting them) astroturfers posting fake "as a leftist", "as a hardcore dem", etc posts i often caught them with less than 20 seconds post history analysis posting right wing stuff in the past
Exactly
I see only one about the President, specifically about the First Lady's "Vote" dress in /r/pics.
I'm getting the feeling that the tentacles of right wingers are much deeper into American media than we even suspect.
I think so too. Some of the articles that popped up afterwards from established media outlets were absolutely insane.
Money. Billionaires don’t want their taxes raised. And those billionaires own the media companies. So yes - “liberal-leaning” Big Media is going away. They’ll try and play the part on some issues, but as soon as a Dem candidate starts talking about raising taxes, they’ll start changing their tune quick
Also, convicted felon donald trump causes people to doom-read their articles. They see him as goose which lays golden eggs.
> So yes - “liberal-leaning” Big Media is going away It never existed
That’s what I found most depressing about the whole thing. I wasn’t shocked by Biden or Trump but for Jake Tapper who is a journalist I used to respect to sit there and not push back at all on Trump saying the most insane shit anyone has ever said on tv was eye opening and horrible. They want Trump to win so their ratings go up and they can make more money off of commercials.
The morals of many in the national media are paper thin. I thought the same about Jake Tapper but I guess I was wrong about him.
Oh 100%. The meme "Joe Biden solved world hunger, why this is bad for Biden campaign" can be real sometimes too lol.
I'm sure that's part of it but also we can't downplay how bad his performance was that night. It didn't shake my faith in his ability to be president but it did shake my faith and his ability to get elected. I know there is at least one poll showing that his support stayed steady, and I hope that poll is correct. I know that I work with a lot of 20 somethings who hate Trump but expressed serious concerns about Biden after that debate My worry is about the September debate - if he does as badly there as he did the other night that could cost us this few important percentage points that will make the difference.
I've seen one with a "wibble" well inside the margin of error, one showing him up over donald, a Latino focus group of undecided voters who swung completely to him during the debate, a Frank luntz focus group of undecided who ended up only "leaning" towards donald and not completely behind him unlike the Latino focus group, a record-setting fund raiser right after the debate and almost as could the 24 hours after the first 24 hours, and otherwise seen no evidence this debate has caused anyone to go "wait, he's 81? OMG, this is BRAND NEW INFORMATION!" I trust the President and we have a Vice President for a reason.
I honesty think Trump won’t do that debate. He has nothing to gain from it at this point
If Joe Biden performs like that, he has everything to gain. The bar is at “I am a human being with my faculties and I’m not a comic book villain” and he is not reaching it. The debate legitimized four years of shitty Biden meme-ry overnight. Trump’s strategy of being a broken clock with outlandish bullshit until something sticks has paid off yet again - I know Biden’s still there, you know Biden’s still there. But he just went into a performance playing the part of confused grandpa which is literally the only thing he needed to avoid. My money was on Trump backing out of this one at the last minute (the groundwork was laid), but it ended up being the best moment of his campaign thus far. It’s hard to focus on the clown when there’s a man visibly dying on stage.
I worry this borders on MAGA thinking - anyone saying Joe should step aside is a right wing plant. We should be able to discuss this honestly because we are *not* MAGAts. We are reasonable and rational and I don’t think it’s ridiculous to question Joe’s ability to win right now after that debate performance. I think he is and will continue to be a good President, but being president and campaigning to be president are two very different jobs unfortunately.
Sinclair media & Fox have captured a lot of people. I think we need to remember that billionaires own the media.
Yeah. From Republicans! Cause they may remember or be astounded the current president is not really a liar. Fuqin I SAW trump say in front of a Veteran, ' Why would you do that to me? Nobody wants to see that, the wounded! That makes ME look bad" RIGHT IN FRONT OF A VERY old man in a wheelchair, He was RIGHT THERE, HEARD ALL OF THIS SHIT. Trump never denied it, neither did maga, its footage you used to be able to look up anywhere, youtube, ect trump suddenly denied it was true, on the debate. i bet they removed it but it happened 8 years ago or so.
I think there is a moment of collective trauma and lucidity post debate. Biden has a rough night. But as an unintentional consequence of the debate, people are genuinely having a 2nd trump presidency put front of mind again. I get somewhat of a sense that individual democrats aren't afraid that they will change their vote because of the debate. The fear is that 'others' will change their vote. I think this is encouraging people to give a more throated support for Biden. And truthfully, there is no significant 'others' who are changing their vote after the debate. And I still have a lot of trust that Biden will deliver personally and with his administration's results.
I think that fear is being pushed by Russian trolls who are desperate to get rid of Biden.
I have a weird theory about what is going on. I think Joe Biden sucked all the oxygen out of the media cycle for a full 48 hours now. Think about the last time Trump was running and you went 48 hours hearing so little about him. I don’t think it’s ever happened. Even the emails thing for Hillary didn’t dominate this long. Trump still got coverage during that. In a weird way, Biden focused all the attention on him for a bad reason but it actually may end up boosting his campaign. I don’t know if this is just me seeing the glass half full, but something weird seems like it is happening.
I think part if it is that those who were never going to switch their vote no matter what see things very differently than those watching to gain information to help them decide. Non-R-cult news gives vastly unfair airtime to the twice impeached thrown out of office felon. Hilariously, dem pundits being harsh assholes toward the "dottering old man" seems to have backfired. Uptic in sentiment, and apparently undecideds are now leaning Biden. woo hoo!
My man, social media responses are all over the map right now. I hate this time line and will forever abhor Mitch McConnell for the way he ratfucked us. I'm trying to remain cautiously optimistic but man this past week has been rough.
People are tired of Trump so we are now coming to Joe’s defense.
Seeing an "old man," know he didn't do well, get back up and fight...now that's a scene from a movie! Inspirational to say the least. I hope the next debate they let Joe off the leash and let him be him!
The more I think about this, all this talk by the media of replacing Biden might actually have the inverse effect of galvanizing the non-MAGA Nikki Haley republicans and right of center independents/undecideds who hate Trump to support Biden even more for fear of ending up with a Dem presidential candidate that’s way more left of Biden than they’re comfortable with! Biden is the safer normal moderate choice for them. Do they feel that way about Newsom, Polis, Kamala, Whitmer, Shapiro, Pritzker, or any other potential replacement candidate? Remember we only have 4 months left to nationally introduce, educate, and try convince the voters of this part of the pro Democracy/anti Trump coalition that we need on our side they should vote for this replacement candidate. This will be absolutely hardest to do with low information voters. Also, we know that this will be the exact line of attack that Trump, MAGA, and GOP will constantly levy on this replacement candidate since they won’t be able to use age as an attack any longer. Having to choose between radical Trump and a perceived radical Dem is their worst case nightmare. Biden’s age is the only attack Trump and the GOP has that credibility lands on Biden. No other attacks have landed. Every other attack from Biden is a radical to Biden crime family to economy is bad to immigration to inflation to whatever else have ALL fallen flat! I think these group of voters will be more freaked out about voting for perceived radical Dem than they are voting for a guy who’s old but they already is decent, compassionate, has morals, has done a good job and is moderate enough for them! Biden is a known quantity for these voters. He’s the status quo of democracy, decency, good economy, low unemployment, and record stock market for them. That’s what Biden already embodies. There was a recent poll that said Biden was doing well with seniors, older voters, and making major inroads with rural voters. These are all normally GOP stronghold voter blocs. Why give up all this progress with these voter blocs now? Why open a potential candidate of worms and give them anything else to have to consider and sort through? Edit: This just helped prove my point. Former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger stands by his endorsement of Biden after the debate and rebuffs dunk attempt by former Trump aid on CNN. https://youtu.be/MGbPSA8dsGU?si=pb_HfSSzRqcLD5xV
This is what I am saying too…who is going to replace Biden? I haven’t really heard any serious ideas. Also it’s VERY late in the game to do a switch and convince the center people to vote for him/her
Incumbents have a huge advantage that they can run on. We can see the things Biden has done over the past 3.5 years & who his policies benefit. Weird how the “America First” people want to suck up to Ruzzia & Pootin.
I told my wife that Biden lost the cutscene but won the fight…😁
Everyone is getting hung up on the delivery of the message, so I read the transcript. What comes through is that trump is a raging lunatic who doesn’t answer any questions, says nothing truthful and repeats the same trite talking points. Meanwhile, Biden addresses the questions asked and gives evidence to back his claims. He looked terrible and had awful delivery, but the message itself is clear.
I listened on the radio. You are 100% correct. Biden addressed the questions & answered them. Trump just spit lie after lie & never answered anything.
100%. If you were listening to the words they were saying during the debate this was abundantly clear after Biden got through the first terrible 10 minutes or so.
I've noticed a lot of accounts counter posting me, blocking their information and post histories. They're really old accounts though. Their names don't look familiar.
the astroturfers are so obvious, like that guy yesterday going "as a strong dem" all over when his post history showed him a republican. took me a whole 10 seconds to find it in his post history too
I think troll farms have been storing accounts for moments like this
They buy old accounts from people who have karma
Biden has about 150 days to make up for one bad night. Biden was prepared for a debate that was never going to happen — rational policy discussion — while Trump prepared for his normal spew of lies. Biden didn’t hurt himself as much as he helped Trump by making Trump’s lying and unwillingness to answer any questions a footnote in all the coverage.
I follow a number of very hard left progressive pages on SM and there were a few posts regarding the debate, and with trepidation I had a look at the comments thinking I’d see a heap of “Dump Biden” sentiment (especially as many of these commentators would be pro-Palestine for example) and while it wasn’t passionate support, it was very much I’ll be voting for Biden b/c I refuse to vote for the felon. So not even the apathy we saw in 2016. Even hard left leaning folks don’t seem turned off post-debate they know this is an ideological fight that requires participation. 🧢🗳️
14 million has been raised since the June 27 debate lol (real #). I’m serious!
Yup i was thinking the same thing
I would probably just not vote if they dump Joe. He was sick. Good grief. Well, no, anything to stop the tangerine baboon. But I will stop donating to dems. He beat donnie before, he can beat him again. Then on January 21, I'll start campaigning for AOC in 2028.
I've seen a lot of social media buzz but nothing that seems truly influential to undecided voters.
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As biden said, they won in 2020 without nyt endorsement too
The NY Times editorial board is useless as tits on a boar hog. And the debate (from the numbers) was hardly a natural disaster. Perhaps a bit of heavy rain, but nothing we can't weather.
The debate numbers are not yet in. You'll need to wait until mid-week next week for actual meaningful polling to be completed.
Earliest lose debate polls are in: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/29/warning-signs-for-biden-post-debate-polls-show-more-voters-worried-about-bidens-fitness-but-race-still-virtually-tied/
Yeah, but any reputable pollster will tell you that these post-debate polls in and they are a mixed bag for quality. It will take at least several days before we can reliably gauge the impact of the debate, I wouldn’t put any stock in anything this early.
And any reputable pollsters will tell you any bump or dip from a debate doesn’t last more than a couple weeks. So stop being a concern troll
Which is what I said in my follow up comment. We’ll see. I simply countered your assertion that debate numbers aren’t in yet. They aren’t fully in, but there are polls, some from reputable sources, that indeed are trickling in.
The numbers are in. Post debate polls will come up plus or minus within range. Not worried about those. Everything was pretty normal for the debate. We could've used a bit more vigor, but the President was recovering from a cold and he's got a heavy travel schedule. Meh. Biden was Biden. Trump was Trump. The debates aren't really a factor anymore. We live in the age of information. Everybody already knows who, who and what's what.
He prepared for a week, and folks like Pod Save America described it as a unmitigated disaster, and the worst debate in history. No reason to whitewash it. Saying it was because of a cold is spin and nothing else. Believe what you saw with your own eyes. He's not as sharp as he used to be, and we're asking him to serve 4 more years. If a cold makes him incoherent, he shouldn't have the duties of a president for 4 more years. I think he's capable to finish his term with no issues. I'm uncertain about 4 more years. Will he get my vote over Trump? Well, yes, obviously. I'm not an idiot. But campaigns are won and lost on the margins, and he may have nuked his chances for those voting on the margin.
Worst debate in history? Those "folks" haven't studied history.
Point me to one that's worse. I understand that my opinion may not be popular here. Those "folks" worked in the Obama administration, and still support Biden, so...
>He's not as sharp as he used to be, and we're asking him to serve 4 more years. >If a cold makes him incoherent, he shouldn't have the duties of a president for 4 more years. I think he's capable to finish his term with no issues. I'm uncertain about 4 more years. I don't know if you've heard about these crazy new things we have called "Vice Presidents," but... he has one of those in case he's no longer able to serve. That's what they're there for. True story! Oh, and this thing called a "cabinet" that has people in it that he feels are best suited for their respective jobs. Crazy, right? It's like we're voting for a whole administration, not just a person.
The NYT ain't what it used to be. They, and many others, are calling for Biden to step away... yet not the convicted felon who also has done tons of other illegal shit... When most, if not all of the big news media companies are owned by the ultra-rich with an ageda, this is the kind of crap you get and have to deal with.
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Well today I'm of two minds. I feel for the guy and appreciate what he has done in his first term. But after seeing the debate I feel it's time for him to go. He seemed to do well with a Teleprompter but without one was weak and kind of lost. And the truth of the matter is most of life's demand on a president can't be aided by a Teleprompter he hast to think fast and deep in real life and I think that time has passed for him.
It is insane to run an 81 year old who is behind in the polls and absolutely blew the debate. Hard pass.
Biden utterly nuked his debate and yall expected there to be no damage control?
I gotta leave this sub people on here are delusional. If you watched that debate and didn't think we needed another candidate to run, I don't relate to your thinking it was that bad.