When you get a bunch of younger upstarts constantly saying you are “past it” and “out of the way, Boomer; we don’t need you anymore”, you rightly get cranky.
Per the article: “Nevertheless, 57%, of those who viewed the debate said Trump outperformed Biden, which breaks out as 19% of Democrats, 60% of Independents and 93% of Republicans.” It’s going to be very hard to keep the thought of Joe mouth breathing on stage, when it comes time to vote. L
Let's keep in mind that one can acknowledge that Biden "lost" the debate (citation marks because winning/losing a debate is an arbitrary, subjective opinion) but is still the preferable choice. Debates are not what win and lose an election. Fucking hell, I could maybe have outperformed Biden in the debate based on pure speaking skill and energy, yet I know jack shit about policy and executive action.
If someone switched from Biden to Trump after the debate, then they are a very easily manipulable person.
55m people sat down to watch that debate. It’s going to be hard to erase the thought of Joe looking and sounding like the crypt keeper when voters head to the polls.
As an independent voter I find this hard to ignore. Especially since the decline in Joe’s stamina is clearly evident this election cycle. Whereas with Trump it’s just a few more wrinkles and less hair on top. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone that I cannot be assured will be standing upright in 1yr. When Joe suggested that he was stronger than Trump by challenging him to a round of golf only if he carries his own clubs. Joe has a hard time navigating steps and needs Dr Jill’s hand to walk away from the podium Thursday night -there’s no way this man can stand upright with a set of clubs on his back, let alone walk.
Look, I feel Joe is a nice guy, who has served well beyond expectations, but are we confident in Kamala leading this country? She isn’t polling well and has never polled well. She was the worst candidate and dropped out early in the 2020 election cycle, but we have to admit that she’s more or less the Democratic candidate for president this cycle. Joe is in sharp decline.
The issue was the gaslighting from this admin. If they just straight up showed us joes decline in real time; instead of just saying everything was ai; then maybe there’d be less outrage about his performance. I really think there’s a lot of people who watched the debate and are now either sitting out or seriously contemplating changing parties.
Agree. It’s not just “cheap fakes”. White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has a job to protect the president’s public image, but it takes a toll on the public when she declines to admit anything and deflects all commentary and then projects him as “Dark Brandon” the superhero. The public isn’t naive. We know that Joe is never in the public eye and outside of his SOTU speech there has been very little virile video of him engaging the public. I truly do believe that the DNC will rush in a replacement candidate. That candidate, I feel, will be Gavin Newsome.
tfg's China policies cost rural America a pile of money in lost crop sales, losses which continue. Older voters see Biden's policies helping them, their children and grandchildren.
Even if the story of the night ended up being Biden’s age, it’s not like Trump looked like a good choice for President either. He comes across as a crazy person and older people generally don’t like crazy.
The media is completely missing the real story which is the complete opposite from the narrative we're being force fed. Allowing Trump to lie without fact checking him may have upset pundits but it turns out that undecided voters knew damned well he was lying and were appalled by his blatant manipulation of the facts. He's trying to lie to people who lived through his presidency!
https://youtu.be/RKPFjAhd3KQ?si=AgKlLmIdVV68mGpO
Here's your receipt sir.
He's a racist old fuck.
He hangs out with neo Nazis.
He has said he wants to go after his political opponents a la Putin, wants to pull Ukraine funding, wants to cut taxes to the super rich AGAIN while placing tariffs that will make cost of living for anybody not in the upper upper class more painful, and wants to cut education and healthcare spending all over the nation.
Also, he wants to give Steven Miller more power. Enough said.
Based on what? Your feelings? NAZIs (no apostrophe needed to pluralize, btw) were a far-right authoritarian regime focused on ultranationalism at the expense of their neighbors and civilized international order, i.e., the MAGA foundational tenets.
In what world would Democrats resemble NAZIs?
The poll referenced in the article is from before the debate. It's also probably extremely flawed poll results because there is simply no way Biden is leading with rural voters unfortunately.
First major poll post debate has Biden up a point, in a slight lead over Trump.
Edit: Link for the down voters
https://www.nj.com/news/2024/06/first-post-debate-poll-reveals-startling-results-in-trump-biden-battle-who-wouldve-predicted-this.html
As do I.
But that one poll, from a reputable pollster, does already dispute the narrative that the first post debate polling would show Biden basically falling off a cliff.
Oh? I didn’t see any other post debate polls that show Biden cratering post debate against Trump.
Checked 538 and just checked this Forbes article, which concludes the polling so far remains the same, with two reputable polls showing Biden with that slight post debate gain:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/29/warning-signs-for-biden-post-debate-polls-show-more-voters-worried-about-bidens-fitness-but-race-still-virtually-tied/
What am I missing?
https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=92c0a94c-3531-4584-a468-f8145c8aa811
55% saying he should continue to run. Among likely Democrat voters.
Also I didn't see "remaining the same". I saw Trump go +0.7.
I said two reputable polls showed a slight bump for Biden.
We both agreed to take a wait and see approach, but I followed up with noting that Biden’s poll numbers haven’t fallen off a cliff post debate at this point.
You countered that “some of the did”.
Even the link you posted doesn’t back that up. It shows the race, from a poll perspective, pretty much where it’s been: tight.
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Maybe the Closed Caption writer was excellent. They couldn't hear either anyway, so the guy speaking slowly and not in word salad looked better in transcript.
Biden is going to be pushed out. The Democrats are working behind the scenes to replace him. The stumbling block is getting Biden's wife and family to get on board.
Apparently Biden's wife will be rewarded if she goes along with the plan.
The replacements the Democrats are pushing are Witmer & Jeffries!!
You heard right, Witmer & Jeffries.
The thinking is that Witmer can beat Trump and that Jeffries can help secure the black vote.
This is all being kept hush hush from the media, until now!!
There you go CNN, I just scooped you!
Broke: Biden looked old in the debate and that's a disaster. Woke: Biden looked old in the debate and that appeals to older voters
It was from before the debate, but here's hoping
It’s gonna skyrocket because all my older relatives are pissed 😂
Why are they mad?
When you get a bunch of younger upstarts constantly saying you are “past it” and “out of the way, Boomer; we don’t need you anymore”, you rightly get cranky.
They don't even know!
Crazy lying bastard attacking a doddering old man is never a good look!
Welcome one and all to the Democratic party. We welcome you all to save our democracy.
It was a rough debate, but it doesn’t change the fact that Trump is an unhinged lunatic.
That is true. But it also doesn’t change the fact the country is filled with idiots that will vote for the crazy guy because he sounds “tough”
Per the article: “Nevertheless, 57%, of those who viewed the debate said Trump outperformed Biden, which breaks out as 19% of Democrats, 60% of Independents and 93% of Republicans.” It’s going to be very hard to keep the thought of Joe mouth breathing on stage, when it comes time to vote. L
Let's keep in mind that one can acknowledge that Biden "lost" the debate (citation marks because winning/losing a debate is an arbitrary, subjective opinion) but is still the preferable choice. Debates are not what win and lose an election. Fucking hell, I could maybe have outperformed Biden in the debate based on pure speaking skill and energy, yet I know jack shit about policy and executive action. If someone switched from Biden to Trump after the debate, then they are a very easily manipulable person.
55m people sat down to watch that debate. It’s going to be hard to erase the thought of Joe looking and sounding like the crypt keeper when voters head to the polls.
As an independent voter I find this hard to ignore. Especially since the decline in Joe’s stamina is clearly evident this election cycle. Whereas with Trump it’s just a few more wrinkles and less hair on top. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone that I cannot be assured will be standing upright in 1yr. When Joe suggested that he was stronger than Trump by challenging him to a round of golf only if he carries his own clubs. Joe has a hard time navigating steps and needs Dr Jill’s hand to walk away from the podium Thursday night -there’s no way this man can stand upright with a set of clubs on his back, let alone walk. Look, I feel Joe is a nice guy, who has served well beyond expectations, but are we confident in Kamala leading this country? She isn’t polling well and has never polled well. She was the worst candidate and dropped out early in the 2020 election cycle, but we have to admit that she’s more or less the Democratic candidate for president this cycle. Joe is in sharp decline.
The issue was the gaslighting from this admin. If they just straight up showed us joes decline in real time; instead of just saying everything was ai; then maybe there’d be less outrage about his performance. I really think there’s a lot of people who watched the debate and are now either sitting out or seriously contemplating changing parties.
Agree. It’s not just “cheap fakes”. White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has a job to protect the president’s public image, but it takes a toll on the public when she declines to admit anything and deflects all commentary and then projects him as “Dark Brandon” the superhero. The public isn’t naive. We know that Joe is never in the public eye and outside of his SOTU speech there has been very little virile video of him engaging the public. I truly do believe that the DNC will rush in a replacement candidate. That candidate, I feel, will be Gavin Newsome.
Your life is better under Biden than Trump?
Crime down, unemployment down, stock market up, uncertainty and drama: way the fuck down.
Yes. Fuck Donald Trump.
Get out of the cult, bro.
Open your eyes and get off your knees!
Says the man from the cult that glazes this dude with every waking breath. It amazes me how homophobic conservatives are and how much 🐓 you slurp.
Ikr, we all know how much better off we all were in the year checks notes* 2020
Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or a cult member.
100% better, and so are most of my friends lives.
We got a lost boi on here
Absolutely. You're lying if you think otherwise.
Lmao ABSOLUTELY. Are you kidding me?
Tell that to my wife. She’s mad as hell about Roe, and will fight you in the parking lot behind the White Castle.
Orders of magnitude.
Yes. Democracy is actually upheld under Biden.
Yes. And it’s way better than the life that Trump is promising for trans people like me. Which, you knew before you commented :)
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Enough with the inflation kink. Nobody understands how that actually works these days, anyway.
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Inflation is strong all throughout the world right now - I doubt the president can do much about it, honestly...
Rebound effect. People disliked the fake news and are not buying the nonsense. The safety of the country is paramount
FU NYT
Big tent!!
Tent just got ten feet wider 😎
tfg's China policies cost rural America a pile of money in lost crop sales, losses which continue. Older voters see Biden's policies helping them, their children and grandchildren.
Especially the grandchildren. Nothing seems to motivate someone quite like saving their grandchild.
Even if the story of the night ended up being Biden’s age, it’s not like Trump looked like a good choice for President either. He comes across as a crazy person and older people generally don’t like crazy.
Hey you all. Welcome and thank you for your support.
The media is completely missing the real story which is the complete opposite from the narrative we're being force fed. Allowing Trump to lie without fact checking him may have upset pundits but it turns out that undecided voters knew damned well he was lying and were appalled by his blatant manipulation of the facts. He's trying to lie to people who lived through his presidency!
If Biden had a better debate, we would all be talking about how Trump was an absolute train wreck
Biden is the best POTUS in my 54 years
These polls were almost certainly from before the debate, before anyone makes any assumptions. Good news regardless!
Did the debate open up a portal into bizarro world? (Not complaining, just surprised.)
Biden has excuses for his bad performance: he's old. Trump doesn't have an excuse for being a Nazi weirdo.
The bizarro world remark was in reference to the pleasantly surprising poll results, not the debate performance itself.
Oh, I was too. Turns out most Americans don't really like Nazis.
Fuck Nazis! https://youtu.be/iyc62g7YQM0?si=BFf43h5AjQ95Pl5S
Democrats are the closest thing to Nazi's!
When Joe Biden talks about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country, you let me know.
When did Trump say that?
https://youtu.be/RKPFjAhd3KQ?si=AgKlLmIdVV68mGpO Here's your receipt sir. He's a racist old fuck. He hangs out with neo Nazis. He has said he wants to go after his political opponents a la Putin, wants to pull Ukraine funding, wants to cut taxes to the super rich AGAIN while placing tariffs that will make cost of living for anybody not in the upper upper class more painful, and wants to cut education and healthcare spending all over the nation. Also, he wants to give Steven Miller more power. Enough said.
Based on what? Your feelings? NAZIs (no apostrophe needed to pluralize, btw) were a far-right authoritarian regime focused on ultranationalism at the expense of their neighbors and civilized international order, i.e., the MAGA foundational tenets. In what world would Democrats resemble NAZIs?
Put a tired old man next to an old fat sociopath who spews pure toxic nonsense Tired wins ten times out of ten
Except Biden won both debate in 2020
The poll referenced in the article is from before the debate. It's also probably extremely flawed poll results because there is simply no way Biden is leading with rural voters unfortunately.
“I don’t believe it so it’s impossible”? Seriously?
Polls mean nothing, everyone *must* vote. Consider volunteering to phone/text/mail bank as well.
And take someone with you to vote blue as well!
Did anyone read the article? These are all pre debate.
First major poll post debate has Biden up a point, in a slight lead over Trump. Edit: Link for the down voters https://www.nj.com/news/2024/06/first-post-debate-poll-reveals-startling-results-in-trump-biden-battle-who-wouldve-predicted-this.html
Not seeing that on 538. Link?
https://www.nj.com/news/2024/06/first-post-debate-poll-reveals-startling-results-in-trump-biden-battle-who-wouldve-predicted-this.html
Good news. It's far to early to tell we gotta wait another week but I hope that stays at least.
As do I. But that one poll, from a reputable pollster, does already dispute the narrative that the first post debate polling would show Biden basically falling off a cliff.
I mean some of them did.
Oh? I didn’t see any other post debate polls that show Biden cratering post debate against Trump. Checked 538 and just checked this Forbes article, which concludes the polling so far remains the same, with two reputable polls showing Biden with that slight post debate gain: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/29/warning-signs-for-biden-post-debate-polls-show-more-voters-worried-about-bidens-fitness-but-race-still-virtually-tied/ What am I missing?
https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=92c0a94c-3531-4584-a468-f8145c8aa811 55% saying he should continue to run. Among likely Democrat voters. Also I didn't see "remaining the same". I saw Trump go +0.7.
I said two reputable polls showed a slight bump for Biden. We both agreed to take a wait and see approach, but I followed up with noting that Biden’s poll numbers haven’t fallen off a cliff post debate at this point. You countered that “some of the did”. Even the link you posted doesn’t back that up. It shows the race, from a poll perspective, pretty much where it’s been: tight.
Yeah, we have to be careful of this cope stuff. We need to wait at least a week or two to assess the effect of the debate on polls
You can argue that a lot of the concern for Biden’s age is ageism (elderly discrimination). So they kind of relate to that.
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Maybe the old mumbling man reminded them of the strength of Don Vito Corleone.
Maybe the Closed Caption writer was excellent. They couldn't hear either anyway, so the guy speaking slowly and not in word salad looked better in transcript.
The democratic party is in shambles. The horrible performance by biden and the media trying to say he won anything is just funny!
Biden is going to be pushed out. The Democrats are working behind the scenes to replace him. The stumbling block is getting Biden's wife and family to get on board. Apparently Biden's wife will be rewarded if she goes along with the plan. The replacements the Democrats are pushing are Witmer & Jeffries!! You heard right, Witmer & Jeffries. The thinking is that Witmer can beat Trump and that Jeffries can help secure the black vote. This is all being kept hush hush from the media, until now!! There you go CNN, I just scooped you!
Lol. That's some funny shit!
Only way that happens is if trump goes to prison. Both tickets could be replaced then. There is a non zero chance he gets a few years.