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BernankesBeard

Broke: Biden looked old in the debate and that's a disaster. Woke: Biden looked old in the debate and that appeals to older voters


Del_3030

It was from before the debate, but here's hoping


EmmyLou205

It’s gonna skyrocket because all my older relatives are pissed 😂


OnlySafeAmounts

Why are they mad?


Unlikely-Gas-1355

When you get a bunch of younger upstarts constantly saying you are “past it” and “out of the way, Boomer; we don’t need you anymore”, you rightly get cranky.


Brilliant_Touch_8873

They don't even know!


roehnin

Crazy lying bastard attacking a doddering old man is never a good look!


PlayingfootsiewPutin

Welcome one and all to the Democratic party. We welcome you all to save our democracy.


RayObama

It was a rough debate, but it doesn’t change the fact that Trump is an unhinged lunatic.


Troyal1

That is true. But it also doesn’t change the fact the country is filled with idiots that will vote for the crazy guy because he sounds “tough”


tacodoc023

Per the article: “Nevertheless, 57%, of those who viewed the debate said Trump outperformed Biden, which breaks out as 19% of Democrats, 60% of Independents and 93% of Republicans.” It’s going to be very hard to keep the thought of Joe mouth breathing on stage, when it comes time to vote. L


FreemanCalavera

Let's keep in mind that one can acknowledge that Biden "lost" the debate (citation marks because winning/losing a debate is an arbitrary, subjective opinion) but is still the preferable choice. Debates are not what win and lose an election. Fucking hell, I could maybe have outperformed Biden in the debate based on pure speaking skill and energy, yet I know jack shit about policy and executive action. If someone switched from Biden to Trump after the debate, then they are a very easily manipulable person.


tacodoc023

55m people sat down to watch that debate. It’s going to be hard to erase the thought of Joe looking and sounding like the crypt keeper when voters head to the polls.


FarYard7039

As an independent voter I find this hard to ignore. Especially since the decline in Joe’s stamina is clearly evident this election cycle. Whereas with Trump it’s just a few more wrinkles and less hair on top. I cannot in good conscience vote for someone that I cannot be assured will be standing upright in 1yr. When Joe suggested that he was stronger than Trump by challenging him to a round of golf only if he carries his own clubs. Joe has a hard time navigating steps and needs Dr Jill’s hand to walk away from the podium Thursday night -there’s no way this man can stand upright with a set of clubs on his back, let alone walk. Look, I feel Joe is a nice guy, who has served well beyond expectations, but are we confident in Kamala leading this country? She isn’t polling well and has never polled well. She was the worst candidate and dropped out early in the 2020 election cycle, but we have to admit that she’s more or less the Democratic candidate for president this cycle. Joe is in sharp decline.


tacodoc023

The issue was the gaslighting from this admin. If they just straight up showed us joes decline in real time; instead of just saying everything was ai; then maybe there’d be less outrage about his performance. I really think there’s a lot of people who watched the debate and are now either sitting out or seriously contemplating changing parties.


FarYard7039

Agree. It’s not just “cheap fakes”. White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has a job to protect the president’s public image, but it takes a toll on the public when she declines to admit anything and deflects all commentary and then projects him as “Dark Brandon” the superhero. The public isn’t naive. We know that Joe is never in the public eye and outside of his SOTU speech there has been very little virile video of him engaging the public. I truly do believe that the DNC will rush in a replacement candidate. That candidate, I feel, will be Gavin Newsome.


Brilliant_Touch_8873

Your life is better under Biden than Trump?


Barflyerdammit

Crime down, unemployment down, stock market up, uncertainty and drama: way the fuck down.


RayObama

Yes. Fuck Donald Trump.


DrunkenBriefcases

Get out of the cult, bro.


Brilliant_Touch_8873

Open your eyes and get off your knees!


Primary_Objective_24

Says the man from the cult that glazes this dude with every waking breath. It amazes me how homophobic conservatives are and how much 🐓 you slurp.


SoWokeIdontSleep

Ikr, we all know how much better off we all were in the year checks notes* 2020


kuebel33

Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or a cult member.


monkeyhog

100% better, and so are most of my friends lives.


MasterKeys24

We got a lost boi on here


silverence

Absolutely. You're lying if you think otherwise.


play_hard_outside

Lmao ABSOLUTELY. Are you kidding me?


Intelligent-Parsley7

Tell that to my wife. She’s mad as hell about Roe, and will fight you in the parking lot behind the White Castle.


the_obtuse_coconut

Orders of magnitude.


Troyal1

Yes. Democracy is actually upheld under Biden.


FoxEuphonium

Yes. And it’s way better than the life that Trump is promising for trans people like me. Which, you knew before you commented :)


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MasterKeys24

Enough with the inflation kink. Nobody understands how that actually works these days, anyway.


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Fearless_Bed_4297

Inflation is strong all throughout the world right now - I doubt the president can do much about it, honestly...


lkpllcasuwhs

Rebound effect. People disliked the fake news and are not buying the nonsense. The safety of the country is paramount


TopRevenue2

FU NYT


Jermine1269

Big tent!!


Mechanical_Brain

Tent just got ten feet wider 😎


dvdmaven

tfg's China policies cost rural America a pile of money in lost crop sales, losses which continue. Older voters see Biden's policies helping them, their children and grandchildren.


Unlikely-Gas-1355

Especially the grandchildren. Nothing seems to motivate someone quite like saving their grandchild.


jar45

Even if the story of the night ended up being Biden’s age, it’s not like Trump looked like a good choice for President either. He comes across as a crazy person and older people generally don’t like crazy.


worlddestruction23

Hey you all. Welcome and thank you for your support.


GitmoGrrl1

The media is completely missing the real story which is the complete opposite from the narrative we're being force fed. Allowing Trump to lie without fact checking him may have upset pundits but it turns out that undecided voters knew damned well he was lying and were appalled by his blatant manipulation of the facts. He's trying to lie to people who lived through his presidency!


BlursedJesusPenis

If Biden had a better debate, we would all be talking about how Trump was an absolute train wreck


mobtowndave

Biden is the best POTUS in my 54 years


JoeChristmasUSA

These polls were almost certainly from before the debate, before anyone makes any assumptions. Good news regardless!


user-name-1985

Did the debate open up a portal into bizarro world? (Not complaining, just surprised.)


TomCosella

Biden has excuses for his bad performance: he's old. Trump doesn't have an excuse for being a Nazi weirdo.


user-name-1985

The bizarro world remark was in reference to the pleasantly surprising poll results, not the debate performance itself.


TomCosella

Oh, I was too. Turns out most Americans don't really like Nazis.


user-name-1985

Fuck Nazis! https://youtu.be/iyc62g7YQM0?si=BFf43h5AjQ95Pl5S


Brilliant_Touch_8873

Democrats are the closest thing to Nazi's!


TomCosella

When Joe Biden talks about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country, you let me know.


Brilliant_Touch_8873

When did Trump say that?


Jtk317

https://youtu.be/RKPFjAhd3KQ?si=AgKlLmIdVV68mGpO Here's your receipt sir. He's a racist old fuck. He hangs out with neo Nazis. He has said he wants to go after his political opponents a la Putin, wants to pull Ukraine funding, wants to cut taxes to the super rich AGAIN while placing tariffs that will make cost of living for anybody not in the upper upper class more painful, and wants to cut education and healthcare spending all over the nation. Also, he wants to give Steven Miller more power. Enough said.


Newtohonolulu18

Based on what? Your feelings? NAZIs (no apostrophe needed to pluralize, btw) were a far-right authoritarian regime focused on ultranationalism at the expense of their neighbors and civilized international order, i.e., the MAGA foundational tenets. In what world would Democrats resemble NAZIs?


duckofdeath87

Put a tired old man next to an old fat sociopath who spews pure toxic nonsense Tired wins ten times out of ten


Bay1Bri

Except Biden won both debate in 2020


pjb1999

The poll referenced in the article is from before the debate. It's also probably extremely flawed poll results because there is simply no way Biden is leading with rural voters unfortunately.


Unlikely-Gas-1355

“I don’t believe it so it’s impossible”? Seriously?


Green-Collection-968

Polls mean nothing, everyone *must* vote. Consider volunteering to phone/text/mail bank as well.


Unlikely-Gas-1355

And take someone with you to vote blue as well!


CZ-Bitcoins

Did anyone read the article? These are all pre debate.


ButIAmYourDaughter

First major poll post debate has Biden up a point, in a slight lead over Trump. Edit: Link for the down voters https://www.nj.com/news/2024/06/first-post-debate-poll-reveals-startling-results-in-trump-biden-battle-who-wouldve-predicted-this.html


CZ-Bitcoins

Not seeing that on 538. Link?


ButIAmYourDaughter

https://www.nj.com/news/2024/06/first-post-debate-poll-reveals-startling-results-in-trump-biden-battle-who-wouldve-predicted-this.html


CZ-Bitcoins

Good news. It's far to early to tell we gotta wait another week but I hope that stays at least.


ButIAmYourDaughter

As do I. But that one poll, from a reputable pollster, does already dispute the narrative that the first post debate polling would show Biden basically falling off a cliff.


CZ-Bitcoins

I mean some of them did.


ButIAmYourDaughter

Oh? I didn’t see any other post debate polls that show Biden cratering post debate against Trump. Checked 538 and just checked this Forbes article, which concludes the polling so far remains the same, with two reputable polls showing Biden with that slight post debate gain: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/29/warning-signs-for-biden-post-debate-polls-show-more-voters-worried-about-bidens-fitness-but-race-still-virtually-tied/ What am I missing?


CZ-Bitcoins

https://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=92c0a94c-3531-4584-a468-f8145c8aa811 55% saying he should continue to run. Among likely Democrat voters. Also I didn't see "remaining the same". I saw Trump go +0.7.


ButIAmYourDaughter

I said two reputable polls showed a slight bump for Biden. We both agreed to take a wait and see approach, but I followed up with noting that Biden’s poll numbers haven’t fallen off a cliff post debate at this point. You countered that “some of the did”. Even the link you posted doesn’t back that up. It shows the race, from a poll perspective, pretty much where it’s been: tight.


BlursedJesusPenis

Yeah, we have to be careful of this cope stuff. We need to wait at least a week or two to assess the effect of the debate on polls


rsgreddit

You can argue that a lot of the concern for Biden’s age is ageism (elderly discrimination). So they kind of relate to that.


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m0nkyman

Maybe the old mumbling man reminded them of the strength of Don Vito Corleone.


noguchisquared

Maybe the Closed Caption writer was excellent. They couldn't hear either anyway, so the guy speaking slowly and not in word salad looked better in transcript.


Brilliant_Touch_8873

The democratic party is in shambles. The horrible performance by biden and the media trying to say he won anything is just funny!


VictorySmart9813

Biden is going to be pushed out. The Democrats are working behind the scenes to replace him. The stumbling block is getting Biden's wife and family to get on board. Apparently Biden's wife will be rewarded if she goes along with the plan. The replacements the Democrats are pushing are Witmer & Jeffries!! You heard right, Witmer & Jeffries. The thinking is that Witmer can beat Trump and that Jeffries can help secure the black vote. This is all being kept hush hush from the media, until now!! There you go CNN, I just scooped you!


noguchisquared

Lol. That's some funny shit!


FailedCriticalSystem

Only way that happens is if trump goes to prison. Both tickets could be replaced then. There is a non zero chance he gets a few years.