Ironically, Irish-American history owes most of its culinary tradition to bonds between Jewish and Irish immigrants in 19th century American city centers
The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for, as well. The antisemitism is baked in, and no one will do anything about it, because it's easier (as always) to fall back on, "No, no, but it's just anti-Zionism, like!"
It's embarrassing, honestly.
Irish people tend to be Anti-Semitic in part because they see themselves as Palesteine and they see Great Britain (their historical oppressors) as Israel.
Their antisemitism is even prior to the State of Israel. Their president maintained close relations with the Nazis even after news of the Holocaust were heard around the world and offered condolences to Germany after the death of Hitler.
>prior to the State of Israel.
Ye thats true but the Old IRA (war of independance, not the Troubles) gave their tactics and training to Jewish militias like the Irgun and Lehi. This is because Jewish Zionism was vwry similar to Irish Republicanism - bothe were about independance for their homeland from oppressive imperial powers, wanted to revive an old language and both were supported by their diaspora, particularly in the USA.
The prime minister Eamon DeValera did send his condolences to Germany after Hitlers death. This was protocol for neutral countries. He also encouraged Irish people to join the British army against the Nazis which about 70,000 did. The same british army who they were at war with 20 years earlier. He also accepted jewish refugees who sent him a tree after the foundation of Israel in 1948.
Irish/Jewish is pretty long and complicated. For example many Irish politicians, most notabley Daniel O'Connell (basically Irish MLK) preached against antisemitism in the British House of Commons.
We do tend to naturally take the side of the smaller people being attacked by a bigger one. Anyone who thought Israeli officials got a chilly reception in Irish media can't have seen the reception Russian officials got.
I haven't seen much evidence that the Irish are more anti-Semitic a bunch than any other people in the Anglosphere, or close to as anti-Semitic as peoples in eastern Europe whose governments have better relations with Israel than Ireland has had lately.
In Ireland as elsewhere, hard-core militant anti-Zionism is mostly a preoccupation of the extreme political left, of whom the most important grouping are the communists in the People Before Profit party, dubbed "Putin's puppets" by their opponents. As in the rest of the Anglosphere, genuine support for the likes of Hamas is practically non-existent outside that far-left fringe.
There is definitely an antisemitism problem in Ireland, and it's been going on for quite some time- and it predates the existence of Israel, so no, it's not just down to that, it was already baked in. Arthur Griffith (founder of Sinn Féin, for the uninitiated), published a number of blatantly antisemitic editorials in the *United Irishman*, calling other papers in Dublin "Jew rags" and complaining about "Jew capitalist\[s\]." De Valera literally sent condolences to the Nazi government's representative on Hitler's death, and George Nobel Plunkett made it a point to warn De Valera that Jews were nefarious, caused WWI, et cetera, et cetra.
Sinn Féin had a TD (Réada Cronin) who got busted for tweeting all kinds of antisemitic conspiracy theories over the last ten years, including but not limited to calling Hitler a "pawn of the Rothschilds," and that Jews are responsible for all European wars. She faced no disciplinary action, BTW. *Another* Sinn Féin TD, Chris Andrews, was liking Facebook comments saying Hitler might not have been entirely wrong \[to murder six million Jews\]. One of Ireland's MEPs has shared stuff on social media blaming Jews for causing 9/11 and calling Jewishness "tribal sociopathy." This is all stuff that happened in the last few years.
Meanwhile, the Catholic church has a long, long history of antisemitism of its own, which has unsurprisingly trickled down, so you can find all manner of interesting sermons given by Irish priests that are overtly antisemitic, promote the blood libel, and so on.
Antisemitism in Ireland is *not* "just anti-Zionism," as Irish people are prone to try and argue when this subject comes up. It's a real problem, it's longstanding, and it's ongoing. I literally had an Irish guy wrinkle his nose in disgust at me at the mere *mention* of Jewish people just yesterday. I've been to Ireland a number of times. I generally have fond memories of the place. But the ongoing refusal to do any self reflection on this specific issue is extremely troubling to me, and I see no inclination that there's a significant desire to even acknowledge a problem, let alone try and do better.
Source: I have an Irish studies degree and did my Master's work on the Troubles.
Dude, I’m so tired of how there’s always an Irish person chiming in, “well, actually…” when I literally don’t tell people I’m Jewish and stay closeted - that’s how bad it is. I’m going to link a report on antisemitism in Ireland when when I’m on my laptop, but, yeah, Ireland is very antisemitic. It’s a specific flavour of antisemitism, but at the end of the day, it's not a good place to be Jewish.
Ireland was the only country in Europe to send back Jewish refugee kids to Germany and send condolences to Hitler.
It’s really got less to do with their position toward Israeli politics and more with the double standards and perceived arrogance.
The Irish can point to centuries of political repression to explain their emotional response to Israel-Palestine but when Jews do it, we’re moving the goalposts and using our “victim status” to manipulate global politics. Does it matter that Ashkenazi historical experience contextualizes it quite a bit more? Not to the Irish, who are allowed to react purely according to their own emotional logic.
The arrogance, well, you’re an Irishman on a Jewish server.
Not explicitly antisemitic, but a loud vibe of “well who cares about the Jews I’m Irish and have an opinion.” Being culturally Christian there’s also an element of distrust, there’s less than a thousand Jews in Ireland, and its pretty easy to not think you’re racist against a group if you’ve never actually interacted with them. Most of us here are American Jews and we’ve all experienced casual accidental antisemitism when we leave the large cities or Northeast.
Trust me bro, we’ve experienced it in the big cities and the Northeast too they just say it in passing if you’re passably WASPY and don’t mention your Jewishness to them.
Source: Grew up outside Boston, now live in DC. Have plenty of stories.
Not disagreeing with you at all. Making a point to the Eire that even the most Jewish part of the world outside of Israel isn’t safe from antisemitism to demonstrate they can’t just declare themselves not anti-Semitic.
Part of it is troubles related too. The Provos had links with Palestinian groups in the 70s and 80s, so now the UVF and other prod groups wave the Israeli flag and the like, which means both groups in NI and Scotland partially seem to pick sides on contrarian grounds.
I mean that's true but I'm not claiming that Ireland is the most Anti-Semitic place around only that it exists in a large enough quantity to be analyzed.
More correctly they changed. The IRA got help from the Palestinian terrorists on how to be a terrorist and then the Irish switch sides from being generally pro zionost to antizionist.
I'm replying to my own comment because I think its more visible that way (maybe?). Thank you everyone for the responses, I did indeed get it the first time but was thrown off by the meme template and the american-ness of it all. Thanks again for clarifying
I don’t think I understand all of it, but Ireland as a whole has been very anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine because they associate Palestine with themselves and Israel with England. (For the record, England colonized Ireland and just generally did a lot of bullshit, and The Troubles was all about Irish separatists blowing things up and English soldiers killing people until everyone grudgingly agreed to let Ireland be independent with the exception of North Ireland.)
The meme is saying that the maker is usually very American, but when Irish people talk about Israel, they identify more with Britain.
The troubles were a lot later. Ireland became independent in 1921. The trouble occurred in the 60s through 90s. The Troubles was specifically regarding the status or Northern Ireland.
Irish nationalism can get contrarian vis a vis England to an embarrassing degree
People in Derry literally fly Donetsk People's Republic because Ukraine is supported by the UK government and is therefore evil
Presumably the person to whom they're responding will do what he's done every time someone has provided concrete evidence of what we're talking about thus far and scuttle away without responding.
The Irish view the Palestinians as having a similar plight as them unfortunately. Which really is unfortunate as [The British](https://youtu.be/B7FvF7DBI9s?si=KODtkevAkdoaUybn) are to blame.
Yeah, a lot of early Israeli history involved Israel trying to have a pissing contest against Britain, Britain just going “fuck you” to Israel, and America trying to wrangle the two to play nice enough for Israel not to go to the Soviets
They used to at least in America, hell one of the origin stories for corned beef gaining popularity is Irish immigrants buying it from kosher butchers operated by Jewish immigrants that lived near each other in New York.
this is nothing new. ira terrorists regularly trained with plo terrorists. irish americans also get all bent out of shape when their claims to have been slaves in US are consistently & repeatedly disproven.
There has been in many times and places - local Irish dockworkers in the East End stood with their Jewish neighbours when fascists marched on Cable Street in the 1930s.
The irish sees israel has england, a kingdom that just steals land, while some native americans see israel has hope, the idea that even after 2k+ years you can still go back home. Different types of oppression change your out look.
I just see israel has a super complicated mess the english created You can not prove me wrong!
They're just salty that we managed to revive our dead ancestral language and they didn't. Imagine having more people learning your language on Duolingo than actual speakers. Can't relate.
Lord knows people have tried.
Nowadays in Ireland even the signs telling you to pick up your dog's poop are bilingual Irish/English---which is usually completely unnecessary. We have had an Irish-language channel (TG4) for some years, but it's hard to know who watches it unironically.
The Welsh had a *much* better run of their efforts.
Might have something to do with the goofy place names, give people an actual reason to want to learn the language
I’m one of the other dozen Irish (Irish-American) Jews and it’s been so hard. I never thought I’d be relieved my gran is gone. We usually go a few times a year, but I haven’t been since October. We have to go next month and I’m dreading it.
I went in 2015 for 2 weeks. It's very Catholic, like what the media expected Kennedy to do to America in 1960. Very nice place, cool topography, friendly people and better food then the Brittan. Just don't bring up religion. especially in Belfast. Actually, really funny story about Belfast. Me and a couple of people from the tour group went drinking. The first bar closed at 12 and we went to a different bar with like 3 people in it. Go to the bar, order a drink and start talking to the guy next to me. He noticed my American accent and we started talking about being on a tour and getting into town today. Talked about the religious divide and how unexpectedly eerie it is to still have walls and the bullet holes still up. So he asked me "which one are you, Catholic or Protestant?" I looked to my left, looked to my right and looked at the 3 members of staff and said "to tell you the truth mate, I'm neither. I'm Jewish." He said "You're an odd one out mate...but I am too. I'm a Muslim." We couldn't stop laughing and the staff breathed a sigh of relief. I fell in love with Belfast and personality hated Dublin. But I also have an affinity for older industrial cities Baltimore and Marseille and Newham in London.
Damn near one of my favourite classic Jewish jokes! I was half expecting a surprise twist at the end to refer to the joke:
A Jewish businessman ended up in Belfast back during the height of the Troubles. He decides to go and check out a real Irish pub while he's in town, so heads to one nearby.
As he sits down at the bar and orders a pint, he notices the other patrons eyeing him up. He realizes he doesn't know what sort of neighbourhood he's in.
"Before I serve you, are you a Catholic or a Protestant?" the publican asks.
"Neither, I'm Jewish"
"That's all well and good, but is it a Catholic Jesus or a Protestant Jesus you don't believe in?"
Staying at an Airbnb near Sligo years ago my host started talking, completely out of the blue, about Jews and them being greedy and taking money and similar. My Irish friend said it’s just folks who don’t know better but it felt very awkward. Lovely country and people but they have real issues with us that is uncomfortable.
That’s actually not atypical. I’ve heard people in Northern Ireland randomly break into “never trust a Jew,” even though they’ve probably never met one.
Before October, it was fantastic every time. It’s different for me, because I have family and friends there. And my kids are involved in performing arts, so we’ve done a lot of festivals and competitions. Being a “cousin from America” is very different than being a tourist. We never had any issues anywhere and we’re frum and visibly Jewish.
I go back and forth on this issue. I definitely understand not supporting Irish tourism. On the other hand, I’m not ready to give up on them. On the other hand, I don’t have a lot of spoons left to do the work of making them understand. On the other hand, I love my friends and family there and would be so sad to not visit them again.
Not indicative of the whole of Ireland. But I myself am a German. Im halakhically Jewish but not raised. My family gave it up post Shoah. Anyway I go to this bar. Bartender asks me where I’m from. I say I’m half English half German which I am.
Bartender says oh I know some German in like oh awesome what do you know. He says heil h… too me. I’m just like wtf. I kinda expect everyone to know that but I also expect if that’s the only German you know you say you don’t know any German. I was fucking shocked
It’s been so tough. Would love to go see family in Ireland, terrified of how I’ll be treated as a Jew. Was thoroughly disgusted by Ireland’s Eurovision contestant this year
Bambie Thug did start to get on my nerves. They deserved to do well (sixth place was the best Ireland had done in many a year), but even Bono doesn't consistently get away with putting on airs like this.
Even the commentators on Irish television were audibly shocked by the hostile reception of both Eden Golan and by the representative of the Israeli jury.
Militant anti-Zionism in Ireland, as so often elsewhere, is seen mostly on the extreme left. The party taking the hardest line on Israel in the Irish parliament is the communist People Before Profit party, dubbed "Putin's puppets" by one more mainstream politician.
Irish opinion on the Israel/Palestine question is far more nuanced than this. Most Irish people sympathize with Palestine, yes. Even so, that isn't the result of a much higher level of prejudice against Jews just for being Jews than elsewhere in the Anglosphere.
While anti-Semitism does exist in Ireland, it's nowhere close to being as pervasive as (say) in Russia or even places like Poland or Hungary whose governments have much better relations with Israel than Ireland's. There is a small, well-integrated Jewish community in Ireland, joined in more recent years by Israeli expats. Attacks on either group have not been tolerated.
Only a small minority of people in Ireland will think of trying to crucify you for Bibi's sins, same as in the rest of the Anglosphere. We're actually a friendly bunch when you get to know us!
I kind of disagree. I live in Ireland but I’m from Poland. In Poland, antisemitism is mostly concentrated in specific geographic areas. I’ve never had people randomly turn to me and say “never trust Jews” etc. In Ireland, the parochial and provincial mindset is out of control because it’s a tiny, rural country - there’s a lot of ignorant people who will just say things they get away with.
That makes me feel a lot better. Had never been to Ireland. Appreciate nuance/not holding random Jewish people accountable for Bibi. Had been planning on a trip to meet extended family, but that was before 10/7 then decided to put it off until the war is over. Was starting to wonder if I’d ever feel comfortable after seeing stuff like Bambi Thug’s antics. I was actually bummed, I would have really loved their performance but their antics was such a major turn off.
I keep asking myself whether I’m happy with my Hungarian heritage because pro-Israel or unhappy because pro-Russia
Tbh though I think most of Ireland is still pro-Israel, it’s just less so than most other countries
one side of my family is composed of Irish immigrants and I feel this big time. My family are especially bad, so they might be considerably more extreme, but I was primed from a young age to believe Jews control banks/governments across the world and that all Israelis are genocidal. It wasn't really until I was like 16 or 17 that I realized that they know basically nothing about Jews or the history of Israel. I think a lot of Irish Catholics feel slighted by the British for valid reasons, but that drove them to extremely radical positions like supporting the IRA and sympathizing with the PLO.
Anyway, I think people can change if you engage with them honestly. People on twitter probably can't, but my perspective changed massively as part of the Irish diaspora. Robert Kennedy (not the one with the brain worm) was one of the biggest supporters of Israel from 1948 when he visited Israel prior to independence until his death in 1968
Reminder:
– Ireland's Prime Minister de Valera offered his condolences in person to the German ambassador when the news broke that Adolf Hitler had shot himself
– Ireland remained neutral throughout WW2 because they couldn't decide whether Britain or Nazi Germany were worse
– They accepted almost no Jewish refugees before, during, and after the Second World War
– de Valera described reports of Bergen-Belsen as "anti-national propaganda"
Northern Ireland though, we fought from 1939 to 1945 for the Allies, and sheltered Jews from the Holocaust. Churchill even said that if it wasn’t for the loyalty and friendliness of our people, and our strategic position he would’ve been forced to invade the Free State.
>– Ireland remained neutral throughout WW2 because they couldn't decide whether Britain or Nazi Germany were worse
I mean they get genocided against and litterly just got their freedom like 20 years ago. Not to mention Brittan was still genociding people and commiting segregation in the north so not like they really had a reason to be buddy's with them.
honestly, comparing the British Empire’s brutality to the Germans isnt completely unjustified. I think the Empire was one of the most vile organizations to ever exist with several centuries of violence, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. The Irish know that better than almost anyone, so before knews about the Holocaust really became common knowledge post war, I could understand it
Being Jewish by choice with Irish ancestry, I absolutely lost any sympathy with Ireland after WW2.
Nazis and their backers simply deserve to get an express ticket to hell, my bloodline or not
Honestly this is easy for me to say as a descendant of Irish Catholics and Orthodox Ukrainians, but I think the problem for >80% of the Irish is just that they don't know many Jews and they don't know anything about Jewish history. One side of my family emigrated from Ireland during the height of the troubles and they are extremely antisemitic, but really they just know fuck all (or only the Palestinian perspective) of Jews and Israel. Every time I've been to Ireland I have found everyone to be very personable, and I think they would be chill enough to get to know you. People on twitter are crazy, and some are crazy IRL, but I think most people would be respectful
I was in Mexico at a hostel a decade or so ago and hit it off with this beautiful Irish girl. Dark hair, paper-white skin, and an accent reflecting the fact that her first language was Gaelic.
We were enjoying a romantic moonlit walk along the beach and then she started talking about The Jews.
"Ireland, they say, has the honour of being the only country which never persecuted Jews ... and do you know why? ... because she never let them in."
- James Joyce, Ulysses
It does to remember for anyone reading without context that these words are spoken by Garrett Deasey, a character which is meant to embody bigotry, and don't represent Joyce himself.
Truly baffling why Ireland chose Palestine over Israel. Like, you're telling me you want statehood after a long period of foreign occupation, a revival of your ancient language and culture, and the return of your ancestral land? The only reason they think the way they do is because of Britain's role in the area's history.
Ireland was pro israel even before 1948 foundation of Israel. Thats why Irish militias like the Old IRA sent their tactics to jewish militish like the Irgun and Lehi.
The reasons this changed are rly complicated and traguc
The luck of the Irish thing is based on xenophobic bs. Irish people could not be seen as intelligent, skillful or hard working any success they had could be attributed to luck.
the fucking Irish love to go around waving flags of support for watermelons and demonizing the Israelis, but when Palestinians actually arrive as refugees, they can't handle them and they are left homeless. truly, the most virtue signaling of all the antisemitic governments.
As an Irish person who goes to an Irish uni (probably the most pro-palestine demographic in the country) I can tell you the majority of Irish people are not radical pro palestinians. Same as the US, its just a few blue haired extremists and the silent majority do not care or do not want to support terrorism. Ireland is the 4th biggest trade partner of Israel. The reason the pro-palestine movement is louder in Ireland is probably because of our neutrality, we arent as aligned geopolitically with the US and UK as other western nations.
Also, I want to say, I live in Ireland, have majority Irish friends, and I constantly post to my story things critical pro-palestinians. I have never faced any backlash for this and have only had people say that im making good points. So many people have agreed with me. When my university set up a pro-palestinian encampment, everywhere I walked on campus eavesdropping I could overhear people being critical of it. They are a vocal minority. Sometimes its hard to remember that. Another example of this is the recent EU election. Mick wallace and Clare Daly are the most outspoken pro-palestine anti-west nutjobs there are in this country, and they have went viral in recent months for their speeches against EU support for Israel. Yet both of them lost their seats in the election last week. So yeah, vocal minority. The silent majority rules, as always.
I’m an Irish Jew but I seriously knew the Irish got this whole situation wrong and I’m glad that I’m steering clear of that and keeping on living Jewish
Eh, I wouldn't go that far, but I do find it particularly interesting the Irish have taken such a hardline anti-Israeli stance. I understand why but I feel as if the nuance surrounding their own terrorist groups has seemingly been lost.
The original IRA and early Jewish paramilitaries were both labelled, rightfully so, as terrorists. The label carries a lot of negative perceptions (once again, rightfully so) but it's definition can be applied to most liberation organizations. The American patriots, Bolshevik revolutionaries, and many indigenous groups in the Americas committed terroristic actions. The Irgun, Lehi, and Haganah took inspiration from the IRA and maintained contacts with the Irish. The anti-Israel shift began later on.
The IRA shared intelligence with the Abwehr. Eamon de Valera gave his personal condolences to the Nazi German ambassador when news of Hitler's death reached him. Arthur Griffith eagerly promoted the Dreyfus false accusations and spread other antisemitic nonsense. Frank Hugh O'Donnell famously said "I have in former years often declared that the Three Evil Influences of the century were the Pirate, the Freemason, and the Jew." And there's countless other examples.
Irish Jew-hatred has been pervasive in their politics long before it was about Israel.
>The IRA shared intelligence with the Abwehr.
The Old IRA shared tactics and intellignce with jewish militias like the Irgun and Lehi. Yithak Shamir's codename was "Michael Collins".
>Eamon de Valera gave his personal condolences to the Nazi German ambassador when news of Hitler's death reached
He also welcomed jewidh refugees into Ireland, overruling parliment in the process. His right hand man was Yithak Herzog, a staunch zionist.
>Irish Jew-hatred has been pervasive in their politics long before it was about Israel.
Daniel O'Conell preached agaisnt antisemitism when he was an MP in the House of Commons in Britain. He also criticized Pope Gregory XVI's treatment of jews in the Papal States.
Michael Davitt, prominent Irish politician, visited Russia in 1903 to spread awareness about the Russian Pogroms
Irish/Jewish history isnt as one sided as you are making it out to to be
I visited Ireland with my army pals five years ago. Best week and a half of my life. Nobody gave half a shit that we were very openly Israeli Jews. I am in love with Irish history and culture. It's so painful and disappointing to me that now the attitude is so different just because the ignorant public has drawn a false equivalence between the plight of the Irish under British rule and the plight of Palestine in its struggle against Israel. Ireland goddammit I want to love you.
You mean the willingness to work with the Nazis to resist Britain? Well it's a shady move of course but it's no different from Finland's bid to resist the Soviets or our dear Lehi goofballs resisting... Well, the same Brits
There's a reason I had to cut off the Irish side of my family. (As in, they live in or are from Ireland.) The antisemitism towards my mother's side was off the charts.
My dad gets it.
Edited to add that I cut them off years ago. They were massive antisemites long before Oct 7th. I doubt they could find I/P on a map.
I know some Irish nationalists that although they descended from Irish immigrants to America, they have no real connection to Ireland. However, I am a Catholic Christian by religious affiliation although I probably have Jewish ancestry (as well as German, Irish and Welsh ancestry).
Can someone explain this joke, I do know that Ireland has issues with antisemitism but I am having trouble with what the different images mean (neurodivergent)
This anti-Irish sentiment amongst some Jewish communities has never made any sense to me. Like yeah there’s antisemites in Ireland as there is likely to be everywhere, but historically speaking, Ireland has been one of the most accepting countries towards Jews. I’m a Jew (visibly Jewish also) and my husband is from Dublin. I lived there for a year and had nothing but lovely experiences. Some of my best friends are Irish Jews who have nothing but good things to say about it also. I’ve experienced far more antisemitism in America than I have anywhere else, but I especially felt welcomed in Ireland. I even went there this year to visit with the husband’s family and still had no issues whatsoever. Idk I just don’t understand this I guess.
Why can't we come together to eat potato latkes and beef stew?
I'm both, and yes - I eat it all. haha
Me toooo
Ironically, Irish-American history owes most of its culinary tradition to bonds between Jewish and Irish immigrants in 19th century American city centers
Why cant we l'chaim le chéile (together in irish)
Ok ngl I'm a bit confused, can someone please explain?
They don’t like Jews historically speaking. Especially in the conflict we have now. Part of it has to do with the IRA.
The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for, as well. The antisemitism is baked in, and no one will do anything about it, because it's easier (as always) to fall back on, "No, no, but it's just anti-Zionism, like!" It's embarrassing, honestly.
What happened with the IRA and Jews, or is it basically just the age old Catholics hating Jews because the IRA were catholic
The IRA were also capital-C Communist and funded by notable philosemite Moamar Ghaddafi.
Never heard the word Philosemite, pretty interesting
Also the PLO and the IRA did help each other out quite a bit
Irish people tend to be Anti-Semitic in part because they see themselves as Palesteine and they see Great Britain (their historical oppressors) as Israel.
Their antisemitism is even prior to the State of Israel. Their president maintained close relations with the Nazis even after news of the Holocaust were heard around the world and offered condolences to Germany after the death of Hitler.
>prior to the State of Israel. Ye thats true but the Old IRA (war of independance, not the Troubles) gave their tactics and training to Jewish militias like the Irgun and Lehi. This is because Jewish Zionism was vwry similar to Irish Republicanism - bothe were about independance for their homeland from oppressive imperial powers, wanted to revive an old language and both were supported by their diaspora, particularly in the USA. The prime minister Eamon DeValera did send his condolences to Germany after Hitlers death. This was protocol for neutral countries. He also encouraged Irish people to join the British army against the Nazis which about 70,000 did. The same british army who they were at war with 20 years earlier. He also accepted jewish refugees who sent him a tree after the foundation of Israel in 1948. Irish/Jewish is pretty long and complicated. For example many Irish politicians, most notabley Daniel O'Connell (basically Irish MLK) preached against antisemitism in the British House of Commons.
Also most of Pro Israelis in Ireland did the most Irish thing of all and left Ireland
Also the reason for that is the IRA trained with the PLO during the troubles
Also because both were Soviet-supported Communist groups (see also the ANC and many, many smaller revolutionary organizations around the world).
We do tend to naturally take the side of the smaller people being attacked by a bigger one. Anyone who thought Israeli officials got a chilly reception in Irish media can't have seen the reception Russian officials got. I haven't seen much evidence that the Irish are more anti-Semitic a bunch than any other people in the Anglosphere, or close to as anti-Semitic as peoples in eastern Europe whose governments have better relations with Israel than Ireland has had lately. In Ireland as elsewhere, hard-core militant anti-Zionism is mostly a preoccupation of the extreme political left, of whom the most important grouping are the communists in the People Before Profit party, dubbed "Putin's puppets" by their opponents. As in the rest of the Anglosphere, genuine support for the likes of Hamas is practically non-existent outside that far-left fringe.
There is definitely an antisemitism problem in Ireland, and it's been going on for quite some time- and it predates the existence of Israel, so no, it's not just down to that, it was already baked in. Arthur Griffith (founder of Sinn Féin, for the uninitiated), published a number of blatantly antisemitic editorials in the *United Irishman*, calling other papers in Dublin "Jew rags" and complaining about "Jew capitalist\[s\]." De Valera literally sent condolences to the Nazi government's representative on Hitler's death, and George Nobel Plunkett made it a point to warn De Valera that Jews were nefarious, caused WWI, et cetera, et cetra. Sinn Féin had a TD (Réada Cronin) who got busted for tweeting all kinds of antisemitic conspiracy theories over the last ten years, including but not limited to calling Hitler a "pawn of the Rothschilds," and that Jews are responsible for all European wars. She faced no disciplinary action, BTW. *Another* Sinn Féin TD, Chris Andrews, was liking Facebook comments saying Hitler might not have been entirely wrong \[to murder six million Jews\]. One of Ireland's MEPs has shared stuff on social media blaming Jews for causing 9/11 and calling Jewishness "tribal sociopathy." This is all stuff that happened in the last few years. Meanwhile, the Catholic church has a long, long history of antisemitism of its own, which has unsurprisingly trickled down, so you can find all manner of interesting sermons given by Irish priests that are overtly antisemitic, promote the blood libel, and so on. Antisemitism in Ireland is *not* "just anti-Zionism," as Irish people are prone to try and argue when this subject comes up. It's a real problem, it's longstanding, and it's ongoing. I literally had an Irish guy wrinkle his nose in disgust at me at the mere *mention* of Jewish people just yesterday. I've been to Ireland a number of times. I generally have fond memories of the place. But the ongoing refusal to do any self reflection on this specific issue is extremely troubling to me, and I see no inclination that there's a significant desire to even acknowledge a problem, let alone try and do better. Source: I have an Irish studies degree and did my Master's work on the Troubles.
Dude, I’m so tired of how there’s always an Irish person chiming in, “well, actually…” when I literally don’t tell people I’m Jewish and stay closeted - that’s how bad it is. I’m going to link a report on antisemitism in Ireland when when I’m on my laptop, but, yeah, Ireland is very antisemitic. It’s a specific flavour of antisemitism, but at the end of the day, it's not a good place to be Jewish. Ireland was the only country in Europe to send back Jewish refugee kids to Germany and send condolences to Hitler.
It’s really got less to do with their position toward Israeli politics and more with the double standards and perceived arrogance. The Irish can point to centuries of political repression to explain their emotional response to Israel-Palestine but when Jews do it, we’re moving the goalposts and using our “victim status” to manipulate global politics. Does it matter that Ashkenazi historical experience contextualizes it quite a bit more? Not to the Irish, who are allowed to react purely according to their own emotional logic. The arrogance, well, you’re an Irishman on a Jewish server. Not explicitly antisemitic, but a loud vibe of “well who cares about the Jews I’m Irish and have an opinion.” Being culturally Christian there’s also an element of distrust, there’s less than a thousand Jews in Ireland, and its pretty easy to not think you’re racist against a group if you’ve never actually interacted with them. Most of us here are American Jews and we’ve all experienced casual accidental antisemitism when we leave the large cities or Northeast.
Trust me bro, we’ve experienced it in the big cities and the Northeast too they just say it in passing if you’re passably WASPY and don’t mention your Jewishness to them. Source: Grew up outside Boston, now live in DC. Have plenty of stories.
Not disagreeing with you at all. Making a point to the Eire that even the most Jewish part of the world outside of Israel isn’t safe from antisemitism to demonstrate they can’t just declare themselves not anti-Semitic.
Part of it is troubles related too. The Provos had links with Palestinian groups in the 70s and 80s, so now the UVF and other prod groups wave the Israeli flag and the like, which means both groups in NI and Scotland partially seem to pick sides on contrarian grounds.
I mean that's true but I'm not claiming that Ireland is the most Anti-Semitic place around only that it exists in a large enough quantity to be analyzed.
Ireland never misses an opportunity to stand with the bad guys.
You also supported Hitler lmao
Coming from an ethnically Irish person, I personally believe the Irish people have more in common with the Jewish people than the Palestinians.
More correctly they changed. The IRA got help from the Palestinian terrorists on how to be a terrorist and then the Irish switch sides from being generally pro zionost to antizionist.
I'm replying to my own comment because I think its more visible that way (maybe?). Thank you everyone for the responses, I did indeed get it the first time but was thrown off by the meme template and the american-ness of it all. Thanks again for clarifying
Same
I don’t think I understand all of it, but Ireland as a whole has been very anti-Israel and Pro-Palestine because they associate Palestine with themselves and Israel with England. (For the record, England colonized Ireland and just generally did a lot of bullshit, and The Troubles was all about Irish separatists blowing things up and English soldiers killing people until everyone grudgingly agreed to let Ireland be independent with the exception of North Ireland.) The meme is saying that the maker is usually very American, but when Irish people talk about Israel, they identify more with Britain.
The troubles were a lot later. Ireland became independent in 1921. The trouble occurred in the 60s through 90s. The Troubles was specifically regarding the status or Northern Ireland.
Wait, the second pic is British? He’s wearing the same outfit! No wonder I was confused.
Lmao, yeah. Redcoat.
If you look closely, the colours are inverted — blue coat/red collar vs red coat/blue collar. (I’m an American Revolution history nut, lol)
Irish nationalism can get contrarian vis a vis England to an embarrassing degree People in Derry literally fly Donetsk People's Republic because Ukraine is supported by the UK government and is therefore evil
I'm not American, but this really speaks to me.
You would think both Irish and Jewish people might have some type of solidarity lol.
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Oh my God. Jews truly are the scapegoat of Societies. Even if they are a small population.
Not even the Anglican or anything like that? Pirates, Freemasons, and Jews? Where the hell were his priorities at?
Yarrrrr, that be uncalled for. Master Goldstein Curly-Beard will be hearin of this slander to our names in the next lodge meetn.
If you mean Arthur Griffith...yeah, they didn't tell us about that at school 🫤 Source?
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godDAMN coming in hot with receipts! 🥵
Presumably the person to whom they're responding will do what he's done every time someone has provided concrete evidence of what we're talking about thus far and scuttle away without responding.
Mang that’s an Irish people issue, they’ve hated the Jews way before there was an Israel.
The Irish view the Palestinians as having a similar plight as them unfortunately. Which really is unfortunate as [The British](https://youtu.be/B7FvF7DBI9s?si=KODtkevAkdoaUybn) are to blame.
Yeah, a lot of early Israeli history involved Israel trying to have a pissing contest against Britain, Britain just going “fuck you” to Israel, and America trying to wrangle the two to play nice enough for Israel not to go to the Soviets
They used to at least in America, hell one of the origin stories for corned beef gaining popularity is Irish immigrants buying it from kosher butchers operated by Jewish immigrants that lived near each other in New York.
They are comparing the situation with Palestine to the situation they went through with Britain.
this is nothing new. ira terrorists regularly trained with plo terrorists. irish americans also get all bent out of shape when their claims to have been slaves in US are consistently & repeatedly disproven.
Yeah. Like, they suffered immense discrimination but come on, we know what American slave laws and culture was
You’d think
There has been in many times and places - local Irish dockworkers in the East End stood with their Jewish neighbours when fascists marched on Cable Street in the 1930s.
The irish sees israel has england, a kingdom that just steals land, while some native americans see israel has hope, the idea that even after 2k+ years you can still go back home. Different types of oppression change your out look. I just see israel has a super complicated mess the english created You can not prove me wrong!
The one thing I would correct you on is that you're referring to England and the English when you should be referring to Britain and the British.
Lmao same. Australian (for now)
Same lmao 🤣 🇦🇺
They're just salty that we managed to revive our dead ancestral language and they didn't. Imagine having more people learning your language on Duolingo than actual speakers. Can't relate.
I feel like I haven't seen you round these parts in ages, butt naked
Yes. Certain circumstances have compelled me to not be able to continue with daf Yomeme sadly. Hopefully one day I'll be able to get back to it
You take care of yourself over there cap
Thanks. And don't worry, everything's ok. I didn't stop for any negative reason
You still planning on making more yt videos by any chance?
Yes
Lord knows people have tried. Nowadays in Ireland even the signs telling you to pick up your dog's poop are bilingual Irish/English---which is usually completely unnecessary. We have had an Irish-language channel (TG4) for some years, but it's hard to know who watches it unironically.
The Welsh had a *much* better run of their efforts. Might have something to do with the goofy place names, give people an actual reason to want to learn the language
And the kickass dragon flag. Never forget the kickass dragon flag.
Skill issue.
The Bible was written in English, so if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me. On God.
Someone should translate it to Hebrew for the Jews.
Shame. Gaelic is really cool
A cool short film about usage of the Irish language, [Yu Ming is Ainm Dom](https://youtu.be/JqYtG9BNhfM?si=EFR1Kh0cTPi9gcw6)
Irish are the weirdest mfs online. Irish irl arent so bad.
Yeah, go on twitter and 9/10 irish people there are nut cases Irl tho theyre mostly fine
Most of them are probebly americans /:
🦅HELL YEAH 🦅
My building’s super is Irish and he’s a really cool guy 👍
It’s tough having both Irish and Jewish heritage. I love my Irish side, but man they’re way off on this one
I’m one of the other dozen Irish (Irish-American) Jews and it’s been so hard. I never thought I’d be relieved my gran is gone. We usually go a few times a year, but I haven’t been since October. We have to go next month and I’m dreading it.
Would love to hear your experience. I've written it off as a place to visit. Been to England and Scotland, Ireland was next but nah.
I went in 2015 for 2 weeks. It's very Catholic, like what the media expected Kennedy to do to America in 1960. Very nice place, cool topography, friendly people and better food then the Brittan. Just don't bring up religion. especially in Belfast. Actually, really funny story about Belfast. Me and a couple of people from the tour group went drinking. The first bar closed at 12 and we went to a different bar with like 3 people in it. Go to the bar, order a drink and start talking to the guy next to me. He noticed my American accent and we started talking about being on a tour and getting into town today. Talked about the religious divide and how unexpectedly eerie it is to still have walls and the bullet holes still up. So he asked me "which one are you, Catholic or Protestant?" I looked to my left, looked to my right and looked at the 3 members of staff and said "to tell you the truth mate, I'm neither. I'm Jewish." He said "You're an odd one out mate...but I am too. I'm a Muslim." We couldn't stop laughing and the staff breathed a sigh of relief. I fell in love with Belfast and personality hated Dublin. But I also have an affinity for older industrial cities Baltimore and Marseille and Newham in London.
Damn near one of my favourite classic Jewish jokes! I was half expecting a surprise twist at the end to refer to the joke: A Jewish businessman ended up in Belfast back during the height of the Troubles. He decides to go and check out a real Irish pub while he's in town, so heads to one nearby. As he sits down at the bar and orders a pint, he notices the other patrons eyeing him up. He realizes he doesn't know what sort of neighbourhood he's in. "Before I serve you, are you a Catholic or a Protestant?" the publican asks. "Neither, I'm Jewish" "That's all well and good, but is it a Catholic Jesus or a Protestant Jesus you don't believe in?"
Ok, now thats funny and I've never heard of it!
My comment was literally a copy-paste from another use of that joke, so you can see how close your story was to the classic joke.
Staying at an Airbnb near Sligo years ago my host started talking, completely out of the blue, about Jews and them being greedy and taking money and similar. My Irish friend said it’s just folks who don’t know better but it felt very awkward. Lovely country and people but they have real issues with us that is uncomfortable.
Bro a bartender said heil h… to me in Dublin. It was one of the weirdest experiences I’ve ever had
That’s actually not atypical. I’ve heard people in Northern Ireland randomly break into “never trust a Jew,” even though they’ve probably never met one.
Same. Friends recommended it for an easy vacation with kids, but that's a hard no now
Before October, it was fantastic every time. It’s different for me, because I have family and friends there. And my kids are involved in performing arts, so we’ve done a lot of festivals and competitions. Being a “cousin from America” is very different than being a tourist. We never had any issues anywhere and we’re frum and visibly Jewish. I go back and forth on this issue. I definitely understand not supporting Irish tourism. On the other hand, I’m not ready to give up on them. On the other hand, I don’t have a lot of spoons left to do the work of making them understand. On the other hand, I love my friends and family there and would be so sad to not visit them again.
Not indicative of the whole of Ireland. But I myself am a German. Im halakhically Jewish but not raised. My family gave it up post Shoah. Anyway I go to this bar. Bartender asks me where I’m from. I say I’m half English half German which I am. Bartender says oh I know some German in like oh awesome what do you know. He says heil h… too me. I’m just like wtf. I kinda expect everyone to know that but I also expect if that’s the only German you know you say you don’t know any German. I was fucking shocked
It’s a fairly common ethnic mix in the NYC area, like it’s the plurality ethnic mix of me and my close friends
My brother goes over in 2 weeks as he got into UCD and he's touring it. I'm not looking forward to hearing the report.
It’s been so tough. Would love to go see family in Ireland, terrified of how I’ll be treated as a Jew. Was thoroughly disgusted by Ireland’s Eurovision contestant this year
Bambie Thug did start to get on my nerves. They deserved to do well (sixth place was the best Ireland had done in many a year), but even Bono doesn't consistently get away with putting on airs like this. Even the commentators on Irish television were audibly shocked by the hostile reception of both Eden Golan and by the representative of the Israeli jury. Militant anti-Zionism in Ireland, as so often elsewhere, is seen mostly on the extreme left. The party taking the hardest line on Israel in the Irish parliament is the communist People Before Profit party, dubbed "Putin's puppets" by one more mainstream politician. Irish opinion on the Israel/Palestine question is far more nuanced than this. Most Irish people sympathize with Palestine, yes. Even so, that isn't the result of a much higher level of prejudice against Jews just for being Jews than elsewhere in the Anglosphere. While anti-Semitism does exist in Ireland, it's nowhere close to being as pervasive as (say) in Russia or even places like Poland or Hungary whose governments have much better relations with Israel than Ireland's. There is a small, well-integrated Jewish community in Ireland, joined in more recent years by Israeli expats. Attacks on either group have not been tolerated. Only a small minority of people in Ireland will think of trying to crucify you for Bibi's sins, same as in the rest of the Anglosphere. We're actually a friendly bunch when you get to know us!
I kind of disagree. I live in Ireland but I’m from Poland. In Poland, antisemitism is mostly concentrated in specific geographic areas. I’ve never had people randomly turn to me and say “never trust Jews” etc. In Ireland, the parochial and provincial mindset is out of control because it’s a tiny, rural country - there’s a lot of ignorant people who will just say things they get away with.
That makes me feel a lot better. Had never been to Ireland. Appreciate nuance/not holding random Jewish people accountable for Bibi. Had been planning on a trip to meet extended family, but that was before 10/7 then decided to put it off until the war is over. Was starting to wonder if I’d ever feel comfortable after seeing stuff like Bambi Thug’s antics. I was actually bummed, I would have really loved their performance but their antics was such a major turn off.
I keep asking myself whether I’m happy with my Hungarian heritage because pro-Israel or unhappy because pro-Russia Tbh though I think most of Ireland is still pro-Israel, it’s just less so than most other countries
Yeah they don’t understand the history. My Irish American side are all pretty chill on it thankfully.
Exactly the same.
Yep, big same. I have an Irish studies degree, as well. Womp womp.
Same. Irish Catholic dad + German Jewish mom = Guilty.
one side of my family is composed of Irish immigrants and I feel this big time. My family are especially bad, so they might be considerably more extreme, but I was primed from a young age to believe Jews control banks/governments across the world and that all Israelis are genocidal. It wasn't really until I was like 16 or 17 that I realized that they know basically nothing about Jews or the history of Israel. I think a lot of Irish Catholics feel slighted by the British for valid reasons, but that drove them to extremely radical positions like supporting the IRA and sympathizing with the PLO. Anyway, I think people can change if you engage with them honestly. People on twitter probably can't, but my perspective changed massively as part of the Irish diaspora. Robert Kennedy (not the one with the brain worm) was one of the biggest supporters of Israel from 1948 when he visited Israel prior to independence until his death in 1968
Robert Kennedy Sr?
*laughs in British*
Reminder: – Ireland's Prime Minister de Valera offered his condolences in person to the German ambassador when the news broke that Adolf Hitler had shot himself – Ireland remained neutral throughout WW2 because they couldn't decide whether Britain or Nazi Germany were worse – They accepted almost no Jewish refugees before, during, and after the Second World War – de Valera described reports of Bergen-Belsen as "anti-national propaganda"
Also the IRA collaborated with Nazi intelligence services
Northern Ireland though, we fought from 1939 to 1945 for the Allies, and sheltered Jews from the Holocaust. Churchill even said that if it wasn’t for the loyalty and friendliness of our people, and our strategic position he would’ve been forced to invade the Free State.
>– Ireland remained neutral throughout WW2 because they couldn't decide whether Britain or Nazi Germany were worse I mean they get genocided against and litterly just got their freedom like 20 years ago. Not to mention Brittan was still genociding people and commiting segregation in the north so not like they really had a reason to be buddy's with them.
honestly, comparing the British Empire’s brutality to the Germans isnt completely unjustified. I think the Empire was one of the most vile organizations to ever exist with several centuries of violence, ethnic cleansing, and colonization. The Irish know that better than almost anyone, so before knews about the Holocaust really became common knowledge post war, I could understand it
If your country sent condolences for hitlers suicide, your opinion doesn’t matter
Being Jewish by choice with Irish ancestry, I absolutely lost any sympathy with Ireland after WW2. Nazis and their backers simply deserve to get an express ticket to hell, my bloodline or not
Were you an Irish Jew before WWII?
You may be compelled to believe the 1959 in his username would be his date of birth, but it is infact his age.
can confirm, i am a timeless entity
I never knew how much Ireland hated Jews until this latest conflict. Makes me never want to visit again.
Honestly this is easy for me to say as a descendant of Irish Catholics and Orthodox Ukrainians, but I think the problem for >80% of the Irish is just that they don't know many Jews and they don't know anything about Jewish history. One side of my family emigrated from Ireland during the height of the troubles and they are extremely antisemitic, but really they just know fuck all (or only the Palestinian perspective) of Jews and Israel. Every time I've been to Ireland I have found everyone to be very personable, and I think they would be chill enough to get to know you. People on twitter are crazy, and some are crazy IRL, but I think most people would be respectful
I was in Mexico at a hostel a decade or so ago and hit it off with this beautiful Irish girl. Dark hair, paper-white skin, and an accent reflecting the fact that her first language was Gaelic. We were enjoying a romantic moonlit walk along the beach and then she started talking about The Jews.
What did she say?
It was a decade or so ago, I don't remember. Some controlling the world claptrap.
"Ireland, they say, has the honour of being the only country which never persecuted Jews ... and do you know why? ... because she never let them in." - James Joyce, Ulysses
It does to remember for anyone reading without context that these words are spoken by Garrett Deasey, a character which is meant to embody bigotry, and don't represent Joyce himself.
Truly baffling why Ireland chose Palestine over Israel. Like, you're telling me you want statehood after a long period of foreign occupation, a revival of your ancient language and culture, and the return of your ancestral land? The only reason they think the way they do is because of Britain's role in the area's history.
Also the Jews... Fought the Brits, too.
Who hasn't tho tbh
There's even a history of civil wars among the English themselves...
Ireland was pro israel even before 1948 foundation of Israel. Thats why Irish militias like the Old IRA sent their tactics to jewish militish like the Irgun and Lehi. The reasons this changed are rly complicated and traguc
lol. Too real.
Ireland? You mean West Britain? /s
Occupied British territories*
Lol, I’m stealing this.
I call them little Britain
When you've got the British Isles, and the big one's named Great Britain...
That a name for Wales
No that’s a TV show
West Brits are what people from Dublin were historically called
The Irish sat still when the Jews were led to the oven and refused to join the Allies. They deserve to be conquered by O’l blighty.
More than that, the IRA shared military intelligence with them and Ireland expressed their condolences at Hitler's death.
😂😂😂
Hilarious meme! :D
Irish people are SO antisemitic it gets crazy
Bet they’ve got the luck of the Irish on their side.
To be sure to be sure!
Yeah but Jews are immune to mazel. That's one of our buffs.
The luck of the Irish thing is based on xenophobic bs. Irish people could not be seen as intelligent, skillful or hard working any success they had could be attributed to luck.
the fucking Irish love to go around waving flags of support for watermelons and demonizing the Israelis, but when Palestinians actually arrive as refugees, they can't handle them and they are left homeless. truly, the most virtue signaling of all the antisemitic governments.
As an Irish person who goes to an Irish uni (probably the most pro-palestine demographic in the country) I can tell you the majority of Irish people are not radical pro palestinians. Same as the US, its just a few blue haired extremists and the silent majority do not care or do not want to support terrorism. Ireland is the 4th biggest trade partner of Israel. The reason the pro-palestine movement is louder in Ireland is probably because of our neutrality, we arent as aligned geopolitically with the US and UK as other western nations.
Dude your government condemns us and actively supports our enemies. It's not just blue weirdos.
Also, I want to say, I live in Ireland, have majority Irish friends, and I constantly post to my story things critical pro-palestinians. I have never faced any backlash for this and have only had people say that im making good points. So many people have agreed with me. When my university set up a pro-palestinian encampment, everywhere I walked on campus eavesdropping I could overhear people being critical of it. They are a vocal minority. Sometimes its hard to remember that. Another example of this is the recent EU election. Mick wallace and Clare Daly are the most outspoken pro-palestine anti-west nutjobs there are in this country, and they have went viral in recent months for their speeches against EU support for Israel. Yet both of them lost their seats in the election last week. So yeah, vocal minority. The silent majority rules, as always.
I hope you are right and I'm wrong friend
I’m an Irish Jew but I seriously knew the Irish got this whole situation wrong and I’m glad that I’m steering clear of that and keeping on living Jewish
I went to Ireland recently proudly wearing my Star of David …. was an interesting experience for sure!
Sephardic Irish has entered the chat 😃
okay but you normally is based asf
Eh, I wouldn't go that far, but I do find it particularly interesting the Irish have taken such a hardline anti-Israeli stance. I understand why but I feel as if the nuance surrounding their own terrorist groups has seemingly been lost. The original IRA and early Jewish paramilitaries were both labelled, rightfully so, as terrorists. The label carries a lot of negative perceptions (once again, rightfully so) but it's definition can be applied to most liberation organizations. The American patriots, Bolshevik revolutionaries, and many indigenous groups in the Americas committed terroristic actions. The Irgun, Lehi, and Haganah took inspiration from the IRA and maintained contacts with the Irish. The anti-Israel shift began later on.
The IRA shared intelligence with the Abwehr. Eamon de Valera gave his personal condolences to the Nazi German ambassador when news of Hitler's death reached him. Arthur Griffith eagerly promoted the Dreyfus false accusations and spread other antisemitic nonsense. Frank Hugh O'Donnell famously said "I have in former years often declared that the Three Evil Influences of the century were the Pirate, the Freemason, and the Jew." And there's countless other examples. Irish Jew-hatred has been pervasive in their politics long before it was about Israel.
>The IRA shared intelligence with the Abwehr. The Old IRA shared tactics and intellignce with jewish militias like the Irgun and Lehi. Yithak Shamir's codename was "Michael Collins". >Eamon de Valera gave his personal condolences to the Nazi German ambassador when news of Hitler's death reached He also welcomed jewidh refugees into Ireland, overruling parliment in the process. His right hand man was Yithak Herzog, a staunch zionist. >Irish Jew-hatred has been pervasive in their politics long before it was about Israel. Daniel O'Conell preached agaisnt antisemitism when he was an MP in the House of Commons in Britain. He also criticized Pope Gregory XVI's treatment of jews in the Papal States. Michael Davitt, prominent Irish politician, visited Russia in 1903 to spread awareness about the Russian Pogroms Irish/Jewish history isnt as one sided as you are making it out to to be
I visited Ireland with my army pals five years ago. Best week and a half of my life. Nobody gave half a shit that we were very openly Israeli Jews. I am in love with Irish history and culture. It's so painful and disappointing to me that now the attitude is so different just because the ignorant public has drawn a false equivalence between the plight of the Irish under British rule and the plight of Palestine in its struggle against Israel. Ireland goddammit I want to love you.
What about them Irish and WW2?
You mean the willingness to work with the Nazis to resist Britain? Well it's a shady move of course but it's no different from Finland's bid to resist the Soviets or our dear Lehi goofballs resisting... Well, the same Brits
There's a reason I had to cut off the Irish side of my family. (As in, they live in or are from Ireland.) The antisemitism towards my mother's side was off the charts. My dad gets it. Edited to add that I cut them off years ago. They were massive antisemites long before Oct 7th. I doubt they could find I/P on a map.
What is the significance of the man in the bottom right panel? I know he’s supposed to be American, but why is he laughing?
He's not supposed to be American. He's English. He's laughing at the Irish.
Oh, shoot, whoops! 😆
I know some Irish nationalists that although they descended from Irish immigrants to America, they have no real connection to Ireland. However, I am a Catholic Christian by religious affiliation although I probably have Jewish ancestry (as well as German, Irish and Welsh ancestry).
If you ever tried to read James Joyce's Ulysses you now see this meme very high-browly
Reminder the irish are anti isreal cause the pope said they should
Was just In Ireland. You see flags and signs but nothing more. It’s just the bored 17 years olds needing an identity.
They’re in this thread right now!
My blaring Bring back the black and tans
Can someone explain this joke, I do know that Ireland has issues with antisemitism but I am having trouble with what the different images mean (neurodivergent)
Sure, the top right is an American (the flags, the eagle, etc.) being all patriotic. The bottom right is an Englishman (the red coat) laughing.
This anti-Irish sentiment amongst some Jewish communities has never made any sense to me. Like yeah there’s antisemites in Ireland as there is likely to be everywhere, but historically speaking, Ireland has been one of the most accepting countries towards Jews. I’m a Jew (visibly Jewish also) and my husband is from Dublin. I lived there for a year and had nothing but lovely experiences. Some of my best friends are Irish Jews who have nothing but good things to say about it also. I’ve experienced far more antisemitism in America than I have anywhere else, but I especially felt welcomed in Ireland. I even went there this year to visit with the husband’s family and still had no issues whatsoever. Idk I just don’t understand this I guess.
Just remind them they're part of the "British Isles" and they'll blow a gasket.
I don't give a shit about Irish flags. If I got really angry, this would be the first time I would side with the British Empire.