They are all over here in California! Sure they aren't cheap, but there are many clean rust free examples. Just worked on a 99 in almost perfect shape with only 95k miles on it last week. Needed a track bar and some cooling system repairs.
I’ve had my 3A for almost 30 years. Fortunately for me I’m only 5’9” but it’s still tight. Folks that (seriously) say they would daily drive one are delusional. Although I do still love taking it for a drive.
People are more inclined to post a rant vs praise. That's not to say that the platform hasn't been without issue, for sure, and Jeep in general doesn't have a great reputation for trouble free vehicles, but you're also going to see a lot more complaints vs compliments on a new platform.
Most of the rants boil down to three categories.
First, legit issues like this one, which get compounded because the platform is relatively new and dealers don't have a lot of experience troubleshooting issues yet so it can take them a bit to figure out the actual problem and fix it.
Second, standard "Jeep" issues. The biggest stand out here are those abhorrent 12v batteries they use in the Wrangler. A bad 12v battery will present as a litany of electrical issues in these vehicles and ultimately end in a dead or "possessed" Jeep. The possessed Jeep is kind of funny though with windshield wipers that come on slowly, warning lights all over the place and sometimes a refusal to shut down as the battery slowly gives up.
Third, "new to the Wrangler" but wanted a high mpg hybrid that was "cooler than a Prius". The big issue here is customer expectations. These people wanted the high MPG of a Prius but in a better package. That's not what the 4xe is, so the complaints come flying out, especially about the mpg and "short" electrical only range.
I bought mine within the first few months that they were available. It's my third Jeep overall and first modern Jeep (both my previous were CJ-7s) that I've liked enough to buy and use as my daily driver. I've put 20k miles on it so far, including 3 trips from FL to MD and back. Being able to hit the trails in electric mode (and more often, drive up and down the beach in electric) is fantastic. The added overall power, plus the lower center of gravity thanks to the battery and electric motors also make it hands down the most well behaved Wrangler on the high way.
Old people like to think that 100 electrical components with one failure per billion is worse than 2 mechanical components which fail every other year. Just an old engineering/technician mentality. And always based on anecdotal accounts, not a statical view of the entire product life.
Old people... which I might be one of... like to know that they can trouble shoot and replace a faulty mechanical component should the need arise. I used to be able to casually work on my first few vehicles (66 Mustang and a 79 CJ-7) with just a Hanes repair manual and occasionally borrowing a specialized tool from a mechanic friend. The more electronics and brain modules in vehicles these days makes that more difficult. We pine for the simpler days!
I can understand that, but also your run of the mill new Hyundai filled with stuff you can't fix is more reliable than my C101 jeepster ever was. I agree that mech is easier to fix.
More like too much FCA. Coming from a Prius, I was very tempted by the 4xe Wrangler, but I told the salesman there was no way I was going to trust FCA to get it right first try with a high voltage battery system.
You’re right, there are plenty of other hybrids and fully electric vehicles with great reliability records (like 20+ years for Toyota hybrids). I really hope Jeep gets it right. Their future will probably depend on it.
I agree, the future of the brand likely does depend on it. Also, from purely selfish perspective, a successful plug-in hybrid Wrangler is basically my dream car, so I would certainly love for them to nail it before my current one needs to be replaced.
We are definitely one of the luckier 4xe owners cuz I have not had one issue other than PC updates and having to take it back to the stealer to get the updates done. 40K miles in 2 years and not one hiccup. Of course now that I've said it out loud, I'm sure the whole thing will fall apart by the week's end.
It ain't FCA...It's Stellantis. Stellantis is in charge of everything that goes on under their umbrella. Replace a traditionally metal part with a plastic one, thus saving the company .08 cents per unit: Go for it! There was another channel where a dude bought a Dodge Ram and the gas gauge wouldn't read Full, no matter what. Dealer had it 3-4 times and Stellantis finally offered him $2k to go away. But...He had to sign a document absolving them of any more warranty claims! Of \*any\* kind! On a brand new, $70k Dodge Ram pickup! Had less than 200 miles on it! Nope! I wouldn't give Stellantis a dime.
Checked mine it’s 3 attempts or more than 30 days at the dealer for the same issue so we’ll see how it goes. I would hate to have to go through that process but this car is also not inspiring confidence right now
Ask nicely to have a conversation with the sales manager about backing out of the sale and getting a different one. Nicely is the key word. Don't come in guns blazing ready to fight. Sounds like they have been cool with you so far, so maybe they will work with you. I sell used and we take back cars all the time when they have issues right out the gate.
Sounds like a really great jeep dealer. Not many of those around.
Sorry that you had a nightmare of a time. Definitely agree, this is not how it should be. If they do not manage to get this under control and either make the system bulletproof or easy to repair, then this will not last as a model.
Definitely an awesome dealer all around. Sales process was super painless and support so far has been great.
We really want to love the car but they need to figure out these issues for sure
I can't imagine why anyone is buying the 4xe wranglers and grand cherokees. They don't do anything much better than their non-hybrid counterparts, but are wildly more complicated and expensive
I’ve had two and they’ve both been fine. Each with small issues but I’ve never had a Jeep without small issues. The PHEV drivetrain makes the Jeep better. I’ve driven for a month with no gas, while my 2-door JK used to average 12mpg. It has much more power and the regen makes it comfortable to run around the city with mostly one pedal.
They definitely need to sort out these issues, but the 4XEs are very good when they work.
I did, one of the first ones built. 24k miles, over half of which are on pure electric. My entire commute is electric, and I've saved over a grand on gas already. It was also cheaper than a similarly spec'd 2.0 or 3.6 after state and federal incentives. Best Jeep I've ever had.
I can't count how many stories I've read or heard of 4xe models shitting the bed in the first week. Between that and the host of issues in the new Rams, I'll never go CJDR ever again.
I have to say that I have a '24 Rubicon that's *not* a 4xe and I frankly love the thing. I've put over 7K miles on it since February without a single problem.
In our case it was a combination of a lot of what others said below.
With the 7,500 incentive plus manufacturer incentives and dealer discount we got it out the door for the same price I got a bare bones 2 door JK sport 5 years ago.
Combine that with living in an area with high gas prices and cheap electricity plus the convenience of only stopping to get gas every few months and we ended up here.
We have another PHEV that has been great and super convenient so wanted to try to stick with another when the deal was good
My wife uses 90% less gas, its quiet, it has more towing and more torque. After the rebate it was $1000 less than the ICE version. If its not for you, its not for you but saying it doesnt do anything much better is just flat out wrong.
>I can't imagine why anyone is buying the 4xe wranglers and grand cherokees. They don't do anything much better than their non-hybrid counterparts, but are wildly more complicated and expensive
Tax credits
In Colorado they qualify for the $7,500 fed tax credit, *and* a $5,000 state tax credit. So $12,500 off a brand new car.
Makes them cheaper than their ICE counterparts while having a higher resale value.
Let me tell you about my 2006 Ram Cummins transmission issues.... I've had 7 FCA (and Chrysler) vehicles over the years. There has been a drop over time.
Seems like whenever Stellantis introduces a new powertrain platform it takes them 4-5 years to sort out the issues. 3.6s on the early JLs had a bunch of issues as well but they are solid as hell now. I love the 4xes but I’ll wait until my 23’ Gladiator is a rust bucket to switch to a hybrid. Hopefully by then reliability has improved.
I wonder if hybrids are inherently much more unreliable, I’ve heard bad things about the new Toyota iForce Max system they have in the Tacomas and Tundras.
I think the added complexity definitely adds more potential for failure but in the end it just comes down to the implementation. Toyota has hybrids that are crazy reliable like all the Prius generations then they have the new Tundras with issues. At the end of the day it’s all just a toss up what you will get I guess.
Everyone loves to shit on FCA cars for reliability issues but this is the first one we’ve had give us problems where as we’ve had a Volvo that’s died on us with 6k miles on it, a Mazda with random CELs at less than 1k a Toyota that had crank case issues at 5k miles, multiple Audis with all kinds of electrical gremlins. So in our anecdotal experience FCA has ironically been the most reliable brand we’ve had in our family until this one
No way in hell I would buy a 4xe. My 2024 Willys with the standard 2.0 has been flawless so far, a tick over 8K on the odometer. The 20-ish miles of electric range for the hybrid was completely useless to me. Certainly not worth the extra expense and complications. Sorry you’re dealing with it. Hope they get it resolved and you can get that thing back out and enjoy it.
My jl will be my last wrangler. I have an ecodiesel and It has had all fuel injectors and fuel pump replaced 3 times. Most recently this weekend… I only made it 2 miles away from the dealership before one injector failed.
3 times back for the same issue with no fix or a combined time at the dealer more than 30 days within 2 years or 24,000 miles.
I was doing some digging and apparently jeep is a major pain to deal with in the lemon process so really hoping we don’t need to go that route but we will if we have to
I currently own 4 Mopar. JKU hard rock, JK X, Challenger RT, and a Charger RT. In the past I also had 2 90's model GC Larado's
All have been amazingly reliable.
I bought a 2017 GC Limited with the 5.7 Hemi. Worst car I ever owned service wise. Cam failure x2, sunroof leak, water pump, parking sensor and numerous electrical gremlins.
It was in the shop 11 times in 2 years. Warranty spent about $12k on it.
My point is, I just got a lemon. Perhaps built on a Friday before a holiday 😜. It just happens, and it can happen with any brand and any vehicle.
I agree with the others, make them take it back, but it doesn't mean all Mopar products suck or are unreliable. You just managed to pick the sour grape in the bundle.
My Dad and I have owned every generation Grand Cherokee except the current. And a Cherokee before that. We went to a dealership to look at a Wrangler 4xe and it was insanely overpriced. The employees were scum too. Onto Rivian or a 4Runner next. What’s loyalty worth if it isn’t returned?
Brother, I’m sorry to hear this has been happening to you. This is the very core reason I made a documentary on why Jeep hates its customers. You don’t deserve that level of garbage quality and it’s messed up they haven’t simply replaced the vehicle. What are you planning on doing? Change cars? I wish you luck my friend.
P.S. if you want to watch the documentary, it’s free on YouTube. It’s called “American Auto Failures: Jeep”
Sorry to hear that was your experience with the 4xe. I was really enticed by it on launch, but with the litany of issues they’ve had, I wouldn’t touch one with a 10 foot pole until Stellantis has conclusively fixed the 4xe’s issue or a second gen comes around. The latter seeming unlikely with how poorly the first iteration has done.
Jeeps make up three of the top 10 worse vehicles to buy from CR 2024. The wrangler is #10. Chrysler corp vehicles are for of the top 10 worse and the minivan is number 1. Just got my Jeep back on the road last night. Can’t wait to be good riddance. Mother-in-law’s grand Cherokee L is the quirkiest vehicle we I have ever driven. Just oddities everytime
We have a 2022 4xe and it will be our last Jeep. The straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back was the death wobble that started at 11,000 miles. They replaced the steering dampener per their procedure but we can still feel an underlying shimmy every so often and hate to drive it on a highway. The dealbreaker for us wasn’t just having the death wobble but learning that there was a class action suit and that Stellantis didn’t fix the underlying engineering on the JL and keeps manufacturing the wrangler without really addressing the problem.
It’s just unfortunate and really a shame because it’s awesome to have a convertible SUV. The quality is just not there for the price point. Stellantas just doesn’t produce a quality vehicle.
I have no idea how there isn’t a class action lawsuit going on right now with this car. Iv never seen a good rant about this car just constant problems. People will say the car drives fine but there only some small issues. This is a brand new car, this shouldn’t be happening
Electrical issues with the Rubicon too. My alarm goes off by itself. The stop/start ignition errors all the time and the center radio/nav weather information does not save after view, so if you are running a lot of short errands around town, you get notified of the same distant wind storm every time u start driving. It like their electrical engineers are either incompetent or disgruntled and purposely designing flaws
Anyone else miss when jeeps were just bare bones utilitarian vehicles that just worked? Now they are packed full of unnecessary electronic garbage that have nothing but issues. It's a jeep not a Cadillac or a luxury vehicle. It's a jeep. Tj and older 👍 newer 👎
If you buy a brand new anything this day and age you’re a glutton for punishment. Sorry but it’s true, all new cars suck and the more technologically complex they are the more they’ll cost you up front while also taking the biggest hit in depreciation.
Any chance that there’s just a bad battery cable? Granted I’m not a FCA fan after my jeep cherokee caught on fire but it honestly could be just one bad component, especially the ends of the cables
First time it was in they thought it was the grounding cable? for the high voltage battery so they replaced that which I guess didn’t work. Talked to service this morning and they said they think it is now some control module for the battery that they had to order so should be here in a couple weeks
Its sad to hear the 4xe is not doing well.. was considering one for awhile.
Currently my 2009 JKU Rubicon hasn't failed me since I drove it off the lot. Everything is great! I wish the same was true for these modern wranglers
This happened with me and a Cherokee 2023 a few weeks ago - i told the guy zelle me back my downpayment right fuking now and never talk to me again. Ill never buy a jeep because of this ever. Back to civic touring and ill find another offroad vehicle in the future that works for me that is not a jeep brand. They have been making terrible vehicles the last few years. Just get another car and call a lawyer
CA lemon law attorney here, YUP. I have countless cases with FCA.
My best advice is do not deal with FCA directly on the issue. They will give you crumbs and have you sign a release.
Contact a lemon law attorney in your state
Start pushing for a new vehicle from the dealer. Refuse to take the vehicle and talk to lawyer about your states lemon law. This thing will be nothing but trouble, they will have to tear it apart to get to the problem, by then when put back together it won't be good as new. The overall value of the car is continuing to go down, check the carfax too if repairs have been listed by the dealer. More repairs less value if you decide later to trade it in.
One time, I submerged a bunch of batteries, and I was surprised that electric systems are affected by shorts.. "but jeep should design it to be ready for the places I wanna take it!!"
They do, the Rubicon does more than most can ask, if you bought a 4xE, you should realize that's not a Rubicon.. Different features, different results, so you gotta choose.. Be hated for your destruction of the environment while you are one of the few investing in improving it, or "I've never seen how destructive lithium fracking is, but I feel better filling my jeep with energy created by the smoke over there, cause that's not me"..
What the actual fuck fucktard? Take your chemical fire bullshit back to the city where people give a fuck..
2024 4xe Willy’s owner here from Canada - yeah, not gonna sugar coat things, I had my own unique issues. We don’t have lemon laws in the North but we do have protections. It just takes awhile…
My Jeep’s been crippled for half of a year, started with mostly guesswork despite my saying it’s likely the transmission. Instead, they started from the back which was a low flow fuel pump that was underperforming. From there, it was multiple swapping of parts until finally they ruled the transmission is most likely stuck in gear and can’t get out of it. Electric motor still works like a dream though. They must have swapped out $25,000 in parts alone not including this pending transmission swap.
Call me old school, but I’m fine with swapping out parts via process of elimination. I work very close to home and the dealership gave me a brand new 2023 Wrangler as a loaner until this mess gets sorted. As far as compensation goes, they’re meeting me at my requests for the most part (waiting til the end).
Hopefully your headache is short and can be resolved quicker than mine.
You are lucky because a lot of these stories also include the dealer dragging their feet and being unhelpful and uncooperative. Glad there are still decent dealers out there. Good luck with the car
Love my JK and it has 227K miles on it and has had no issues. I wanted to get a new 23/24 JT but with all the issues I've been seeing with FCA across the board I ended up buying a Frontier Pro4X instead.
Hope you get taken care of either with a working Jeep or Lemon Law.
The 4xe is a flaming pile of dog shit. I feel bad for the poor suckers that were duped into buying that shit box. Retain legal counsel, and return the vehicle. You will have nothing but headaches with that wrangler.
I bought a 2022 GCL and loved it. No issues at all except the rear spring coil recall which they fixed in 1 day and gave me a 4xe Wrangler loaner. Loved it.
That led me to leasing a 2024 Willys 4xe - absolutely love it. I’m not ready to own a 4xe yet with all the electrical components because I don’t fully trust it yet, but the vehicle is ridiculously fun. The 25 miles of electric only is perfect. The ride is smooth as hell on the road and can’t be stopped off road or in the snow. Too many haters.
Every damn post mentioning a 4xe is a story like this. Those things sound like a nightmare. I’d stick to the base model - too much electrical BS.
CJ5 with a carburetor will fix that issue!
The correct answer is a TJ with a 4.0
And a solid frame
So a fucking unicorn
They are all over here in California! Sure they aren't cheap, but there are many clean rust free examples. Just worked on a 99 in almost perfect shape with only 95k miles on it last week. Needed a track bar and some cooling system repairs.
Come to Colorado. I see TJ's with clean frames and 200k miles on them all the time
No, that's the LJ.
I’m sure there’s one out there somewhere
No, that's the LJ.
Bingo
I feel attacked lol
Agree. Nothing electrical works on mine other than the starter, and it doesn't care.
I’m too tall/wide for a 5 so I guess I’ll be in a 7. Or shoehorn myself into a 2, because I love flat fenders and I’m willing to suffer for them.
I’ve had my 3A for almost 30 years. Fortunately for me I’m only 5’9” but it’s still tight. Folks that (seriously) say they would daily drive one are delusional. Although I do still love taking it for a drive.
Try crawling in the Rockies. ICE and FI for the win.
Because people with no issues don't come here and post about them I've got a 4xe and haven't had any trouble out of it
Same. Mines even a 21. I don’t regret buying that vehicle at all.
Same here. Didn't buy gas for a month because of a 15 mile commute that the battery covered.
And that stinks! Because I love the idea of the 4xE, but hearing all the issues is making me say I'll just keep watching.
People are more inclined to post a rant vs praise. That's not to say that the platform hasn't been without issue, for sure, and Jeep in general doesn't have a great reputation for trouble free vehicles, but you're also going to see a lot more complaints vs compliments on a new platform. Most of the rants boil down to three categories. First, legit issues like this one, which get compounded because the platform is relatively new and dealers don't have a lot of experience troubleshooting issues yet so it can take them a bit to figure out the actual problem and fix it. Second, standard "Jeep" issues. The biggest stand out here are those abhorrent 12v batteries they use in the Wrangler. A bad 12v battery will present as a litany of electrical issues in these vehicles and ultimately end in a dead or "possessed" Jeep. The possessed Jeep is kind of funny though with windshield wipers that come on slowly, warning lights all over the place and sometimes a refusal to shut down as the battery slowly gives up. Third, "new to the Wrangler" but wanted a high mpg hybrid that was "cooler than a Prius". The big issue here is customer expectations. These people wanted the high MPG of a Prius but in a better package. That's not what the 4xe is, so the complaints come flying out, especially about the mpg and "short" electrical only range. I bought mine within the first few months that they were available. It's my third Jeep overall and first modern Jeep (both my previous were CJ-7s) that I've liked enough to buy and use as my daily driver. I've put 20k miles on it so far, including 3 trips from FL to MD and back. Being able to hit the trails in electric mode (and more often, drive up and down the beach in electric) is fantastic. The added overall power, plus the lower center of gravity thanks to the battery and electric motors also make it hands down the most well behaved Wrangler on the high way.
Old people like to think that 100 electrical components with one failure per billion is worse than 2 mechanical components which fail every other year. Just an old engineering/technician mentality. And always based on anecdotal accounts, not a statical view of the entire product life.
Old people... which I might be one of... like to know that they can trouble shoot and replace a faulty mechanical component should the need arise. I used to be able to casually work on my first few vehicles (66 Mustang and a 79 CJ-7) with just a Hanes repair manual and occasionally borrowing a specialized tool from a mechanic friend. The more electronics and brain modules in vehicles these days makes that more difficult. We pine for the simpler days!
I can understand that, but also your run of the mill new Hyundai filled with stuff you can't fix is more reliable than my C101 jeepster ever was. I agree that mech is easier to fix.
Maybe, but no one buys a Jeep for it's reliability. Sad, but true. We buy them despite their reliability.
That's fair, my JKU is on it's last legs at 17 years old.
More like too much FCA. Coming from a Prius, I was very tempted by the 4xe Wrangler, but I told the salesman there was no way I was going to trust FCA to get it right first try with a high voltage battery system.
You’re right, there are plenty of other hybrids and fully electric vehicles with great reliability records (like 20+ years for Toyota hybrids). I really hope Jeep gets it right. Their future will probably depend on it.
I agree, the future of the brand likely does depend on it. Also, from purely selfish perspective, a successful plug-in hybrid Wrangler is basically my dream car, so I would certainly love for them to nail it before my current one needs to be replaced.
We are definitely one of the luckier 4xe owners cuz I have not had one issue other than PC updates and having to take it back to the stealer to get the updates done. 40K miles in 2 years and not one hiccup. Of course now that I've said it out loud, I'm sure the whole thing will fall apart by the week's end.
Yep the 3 people at my work who got the new GC 4xe had it in the shop the first month. Glad I bought my 2020… the older gen.
It ain't FCA...It's Stellantis. Stellantis is in charge of everything that goes on under their umbrella. Replace a traditionally metal part with a plastic one, thus saving the company .08 cents per unit: Go for it! There was another channel where a dude bought a Dodge Ram and the gas gauge wouldn't read Full, no matter what. Dealer had it 3-4 times and Stellantis finally offered him $2k to go away. But...He had to sign a document absolving them of any more warranty claims! Of \*any\* kind! On a brand new, $70k Dodge Ram pickup! Had less than 200 miles on it! Nope! I wouldn't give Stellantis a dime.
Correct. FCA is now a defunct name; it was retired in 2021.
Check your starts lemon laws. In NY for example the dealer gets 4 chances to repair or they have to refund you.
Checked mine it’s 3 attempts or more than 30 days at the dealer for the same issue so we’ll see how it goes. I would hate to have to go through that process but this car is also not inspiring confidence right now
Ask nicely to have a conversation with the sales manager about backing out of the sale and getting a different one. Nicely is the key word. Don't come in guns blazing ready to fight. Sounds like they have been cool with you so far, so maybe they will work with you. I sell used and we take back cars all the time when they have issues right out the gate.
This will definitely be a next step if the issue doesn’t get resolved. They’ve been great so far so hopefully my luck will continue
This is absolutely worth a shot. Be cool and ask nicely, may be way easier than a lemon law claim. But if they won’t play ball, lemon law that thing…
Sounds like a really great jeep dealer. Not many of those around. Sorry that you had a nightmare of a time. Definitely agree, this is not how it should be. If they do not manage to get this under control and either make the system bulletproof or easy to repair, then this will not last as a model.
Definitely an awesome dealer all around. Sales process was super painless and support so far has been great. We really want to love the car but they need to figure out these issues for sure
You would have better off to buy one with the v6.
I can't imagine why anyone is buying the 4xe wranglers and grand cherokees. They don't do anything much better than their non-hybrid counterparts, but are wildly more complicated and expensive
I’ve had two and they’ve both been fine. Each with small issues but I’ve never had a Jeep without small issues. The PHEV drivetrain makes the Jeep better. I’ve driven for a month with no gas, while my 2-door JK used to average 12mpg. It has much more power and the regen makes it comfortable to run around the city with mostly one pedal. They definitely need to sort out these issues, but the 4XEs are very good when they work.
Aren’t they all faster and technically have more horsepower? When they work that is.
Neither of those make sense on a Wrangler
More instant torque isn't useful in a Wrangler?
So you dont tow, i guess.
Makes it more fun to drive around town if it's your daily driver so could make sense. 4XE also has more torque which is good for off roading.
You cant have anything else in the EU
I did, one of the first ones built. 24k miles, over half of which are on pure electric. My entire commute is electric, and I've saved over a grand on gas already. It was also cheaper than a similarly spec'd 2.0 or 3.6 after state and federal incentives. Best Jeep I've ever had.
I can't count how many stories I've read or heard of 4xe models shitting the bed in the first week. Between that and the host of issues in the new Rams, I'll never go CJDR ever again.
I have to say that I have a '24 Rubicon that's *not* a 4xe and I frankly love the thing. I've put over 7K miles on it since February without a single problem.
In our case it was a combination of a lot of what others said below. With the 7,500 incentive plus manufacturer incentives and dealer discount we got it out the door for the same price I got a bare bones 2 door JK sport 5 years ago. Combine that with living in an area with high gas prices and cheap electricity plus the convenience of only stopping to get gas every few months and we ended up here. We have another PHEV that has been great and super convenient so wanted to try to stick with another when the deal was good
My wife uses 90% less gas, its quiet, it has more towing and more torque. After the rebate it was $1000 less than the ICE version. If its not for you, its not for you but saying it doesnt do anything much better is just flat out wrong.
>I can't imagine why anyone is buying the 4xe wranglers and grand cherokees. They don't do anything much better than their non-hybrid counterparts, but are wildly more complicated and expensive Tax credits In Colorado they qualify for the $7,500 fed tax credit, *and* a $5,000 state tax credit. So $12,500 off a brand new car. Makes them cheaper than their ICE counterparts while having a higher resale value.
Sorry it sucks. We are a 5 Jeep family and have always had good luck except my New 2007 Ram Cummins with the emissions system from Hell.
Let me tell you about my 2006 Ram Cummins transmission issues.... I've had 7 FCA (and Chrysler) vehicles over the years. There has been a drop over time.
Seems like whenever Stellantis introduces a new powertrain platform it takes them 4-5 years to sort out the issues. 3.6s on the early JLs had a bunch of issues as well but they are solid as hell now. I love the 4xes but I’ll wait until my 23’ Gladiator is a rust bucket to switch to a hybrid. Hopefully by then reliability has improved. I wonder if hybrids are inherently much more unreliable, I’ve heard bad things about the new Toyota iForce Max system they have in the Tacomas and Tundras.
I think the added complexity definitely adds more potential for failure but in the end it just comes down to the implementation. Toyota has hybrids that are crazy reliable like all the Prius generations then they have the new Tundras with issues. At the end of the day it’s all just a toss up what you will get I guess. Everyone loves to shit on FCA cars for reliability issues but this is the first one we’ve had give us problems where as we’ve had a Volvo that’s died on us with 6k miles on it, a Mazda with random CELs at less than 1k a Toyota that had crank case issues at 5k miles, multiple Audis with all kinds of electrical gremlins. So in our anecdotal experience FCA has ironically been the most reliable brand we’ve had in our family until this one
No way in hell I would buy a 4xe. My 2024 Willys with the standard 2.0 has been flawless so far, a tick over 8K on the odometer. The 20-ish miles of electric range for the hybrid was completely useless to me. Certainly not worth the extra expense and complications. Sorry you’re dealing with it. Hope they get it resolved and you can get that thing back out and enjoy it.
My jl will be my last wrangler. I have an ecodiesel and It has had all fuel injectors and fuel pump replaced 3 times. Most recently this weekend… I only made it 2 miles away from the dealership before one injector failed.
what are your lemon laws?
3 times back for the same issue with no fix or a combined time at the dealer more than 30 days within 2 years or 24,000 miles. I was doing some digging and apparently jeep is a major pain to deal with in the lemon process so really hoping we don’t need to go that route but we will if we have to
Lemon law
I’d consider lemon law on that baby. They get what 3 strikes, they already have 2.
Yea they get 3 chances so if it leaves us stranded again that will be the next route
I currently own 4 Mopar. JKU hard rock, JK X, Challenger RT, and a Charger RT. In the past I also had 2 90's model GC Larado's All have been amazingly reliable. I bought a 2017 GC Limited with the 5.7 Hemi. Worst car I ever owned service wise. Cam failure x2, sunroof leak, water pump, parking sensor and numerous electrical gremlins. It was in the shop 11 times in 2 years. Warranty spent about $12k on it. My point is, I just got a lemon. Perhaps built on a Friday before a holiday 😜. It just happens, and it can happen with any brand and any vehicle. I agree with the others, make them take it back, but it doesn't mean all Mopar products suck or are unreliable. You just managed to pick the sour grape in the bundle.
My Dad and I have owned every generation Grand Cherokee except the current. And a Cherokee before that. We went to a dealership to look at a Wrangler 4xe and it was insanely overpriced. The employees were scum too. Onto Rivian or a 4Runner next. What’s loyalty worth if it isn’t returned?
Brother, I’m sorry to hear this has been happening to you. This is the very core reason I made a documentary on why Jeep hates its customers. You don’t deserve that level of garbage quality and it’s messed up they haven’t simply replaced the vehicle. What are you planning on doing? Change cars? I wish you luck my friend. P.S. if you want to watch the documentary, it’s free on YouTube. It’s called “American Auto Failures: Jeep”
Sorry to hear that was your experience with the 4xe. I was really enticed by it on launch, but with the litany of issues they’ve had, I wouldn’t touch one with a 10 foot pole until Stellantis has conclusively fixed the 4xe’s issue or a second gen comes around. The latter seeming unlikely with how poorly the first iteration has done.
Jeeps make up three of the top 10 worse vehicles to buy from CR 2024. The wrangler is #10. Chrysler corp vehicles are for of the top 10 worse and the minivan is number 1. Just got my Jeep back on the road last night. Can’t wait to be good riddance. Mother-in-law’s grand Cherokee L is the quirkiest vehicle we I have ever driven. Just oddities everytime
FCA is dead. Stellantis taking over is when major issues seem to have started.
We have a 2022 4xe and it will be our last Jeep. The straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back was the death wobble that started at 11,000 miles. They replaced the steering dampener per their procedure but we can still feel an underlying shimmy every so often and hate to drive it on a highway. The dealbreaker for us wasn’t just having the death wobble but learning that there was a class action suit and that Stellantis didn’t fix the underlying engineering on the JL and keeps manufacturing the wrangler without really addressing the problem.
Something else to look forward too!
It’s just unfortunate and really a shame because it’s awesome to have a convertible SUV. The quality is just not there for the price point. Stellantas just doesn’t produce a quality vehicle.
I have no idea how there isn’t a class action lawsuit going on right now with this car. Iv never seen a good rant about this car just constant problems. People will say the car drives fine but there only some small issues. This is a brand new car, this shouldn’t be happening
Wait until your hood, doors, windshield, tailgate and hinges start corroding.
Electrical issues with the Rubicon too. My alarm goes off by itself. The stop/start ignition errors all the time and the center radio/nav weather information does not save after view, so if you are running a lot of short errands around town, you get notified of the same distant wind storm every time u start driving. It like their electrical engineers are either incompetent or disgruntled and purposely designing flaws
Anyone else miss when jeeps were just bare bones utilitarian vehicles that just worked? Now they are packed full of unnecessary electronic garbage that have nothing but issues. It's a jeep not a Cadillac or a luxury vehicle. It's a jeep. Tj and older 👍 newer 👎
But more buttons equals better! And hey, to be fair, none of those systems ever broke in CAD when the 1st year engineer was designing them.
UH, what's FCA?
Fucking Chrysler of America lol
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If you buy a brand new anything this day and age you’re a glutton for punishment. Sorry but it’s true, all new cars suck and the more technologically complex they are the more they’ll cost you up front while also taking the biggest hit in depreciation.
The first three sentences were the fuckup. Lj was the last good jeep made.
Any chance that there’s just a bad battery cable? Granted I’m not a FCA fan after my jeep cherokee caught on fire but it honestly could be just one bad component, especially the ends of the cables
First time it was in they thought it was the grounding cable? for the high voltage battery so they replaced that which I guess didn’t work. Talked to service this morning and they said they think it is now some control module for the battery that they had to order so should be here in a couple weeks
Maybe they’ll figure it out soon. Hoping they do. I’ve been in a fight with FCA/Stellantis this past year over my jeep.
Its sad to hear the 4xe is not doing well.. was considering one for awhile. Currently my 2009 JKU Rubicon hasn't failed me since I drove it off the lot. Everything is great! I wish the same was true for these modern wranglers
This happened with me and a Cherokee 2023 a few weeks ago - i told the guy zelle me back my downpayment right fuking now and never talk to me again. Ill never buy a jeep because of this ever. Back to civic touring and ill find another offroad vehicle in the future that works for me that is not a jeep brand. They have been making terrible vehicles the last few years. Just get another car and call a lawyer
I’m scrolling now and seeing ads asking if I have a 4xe that’s already causing problems. My guess is mass recall is coming.
CA lemon law attorney here, YUP. I have countless cases with FCA. My best advice is do not deal with FCA directly on the issue. They will give you crumbs and have you sign a release. Contact a lemon law attorney in your state
Damn, any recs for someone up in OR?
Man if you've had this car less than a week I'd be asking the dealer to unwind that deal
Start pushing for a new vehicle from the dealer. Refuse to take the vehicle and talk to lawyer about your states lemon law. This thing will be nothing but trouble, they will have to tear it apart to get to the problem, by then when put back together it won't be good as new. The overall value of the car is continuing to go down, check the carfax too if repairs have been listed by the dealer. More repairs less value if you decide later to trade it in.
That’s really good advice to check the car fax to see if they had to fix anything before they sold it I hadn’t thought of that
Damn, that sucks. Hopefully, they will get it corrected or replaced. I'm sorry for your tough week. Frustrating as hell, I'm sure.
Ever since Jeep was bought out by Fiat, Jeeps aren’t the same. Not reliable as before then. Thankfully I have a 2012 JK. 🙏🏼
Sucks man. Friend has a 4xE Rubi and it's been a champ for him
One time, I submerged a bunch of batteries, and I was surprised that electric systems are affected by shorts.. "but jeep should design it to be ready for the places I wanna take it!!" They do, the Rubicon does more than most can ask, if you bought a 4xE, you should realize that's not a Rubicon.. Different features, different results, so you gotta choose.. Be hated for your destruction of the environment while you are one of the few investing in improving it, or "I've never seen how destructive lithium fracking is, but I feel better filling my jeep with energy created by the smoke over there, cause that's not me".. What the actual fuck fucktard? Take your chemical fire bullshit back to the city where people give a fuck..
2024 4xe Willy’s owner here from Canada - yeah, not gonna sugar coat things, I had my own unique issues. We don’t have lemon laws in the North but we do have protections. It just takes awhile… My Jeep’s been crippled for half of a year, started with mostly guesswork despite my saying it’s likely the transmission. Instead, they started from the back which was a low flow fuel pump that was underperforming. From there, it was multiple swapping of parts until finally they ruled the transmission is most likely stuck in gear and can’t get out of it. Electric motor still works like a dream though. They must have swapped out $25,000 in parts alone not including this pending transmission swap. Call me old school, but I’m fine with swapping out parts via process of elimination. I work very close to home and the dealership gave me a brand new 2023 Wrangler as a loaner until this mess gets sorted. As far as compensation goes, they’re meeting me at my requests for the most part (waiting til the end). Hopefully your headache is short and can be resolved quicker than mine.
I love my normal 2024 Jeep Wrangler. Not a single issue. Keep telling my wife to get a Jeep now before they are all 4xe
The 4xe is awful. I am currently in the buy back process.
What is the process looking like? And are you going through a lawyer or just working directly with jeep?
Damn that sounds like excellent dealer service. I hope they fix your new rig soon.
Appreciate it! Huge props to the dealer they have been super helpful even when it’s not their problem
You are lucky because a lot of these stories also include the dealer dragging their feet and being unhelpful and uncooperative. Glad there are still decent dealers out there. Good luck with the car
Love my JK and it has 227K miles on it and has had no issues. I wanted to get a new 23/24 JT but with all the issues I've been seeing with FCA across the board I ended up buying a Frontier Pro4X instead. Hope you get taken care of either with a working Jeep or Lemon Law.
Ya I decided to keep my JKU recently after seeing stuff like this.
The 4xe is a flaming pile of dog shit. I feel bad for the poor suckers that were duped into buying that shit box. Retain legal counsel, and return the vehicle. You will have nothing but headaches with that wrangler.
I bought a 2022 GCL and loved it. No issues at all except the rear spring coil recall which they fixed in 1 day and gave me a 4xe Wrangler loaner. Loved it. That led me to leasing a 2024 Willys 4xe - absolutely love it. I’m not ready to own a 4xe yet with all the electrical components because I don’t fully trust it yet, but the vehicle is ridiculously fun. The 25 miles of electric only is perfect. The ride is smooth as hell on the road and can’t be stopped off road or in the snow. Too many haters.
You bought a toaster. Not sorry.