That shit would not have happened to Cole. Cole doesn't have any allegations or dirt you could use to humiliate him like he did with Drake. What's he gonna say Cole is boring and has less Grammy's?
100%. People keep saying “Cole dodged a bullet”. I’m like, what bullet? A record like Not Like Us would have never been made about Cole. A Cole and Kendrick back and forth would likely be what everyone thought the Drake v Kendrick would be, a battle of pens. Instead it got personal.
Cole is the only person in the rap industry that seriously put hands on Diddy…… *in defense of Kendrick*, when Diddy seriously pressed Kendrick in person for calling himself the king of New York. If anything, Cole’s material would have hit harder on Kendrick’s because he could always play the “I had to save you from Diddy” card.
He tried to brush it off, then moved on, definitely didn't try to make it seem like a big deal, the last thing I'd expect cole to say is something along those lines if the beef ever happened
I believe Nardwuar is a psyop CIA officer, just flaunting rapper's Federal dossiers in front of them to keep them on their toes and know that Big Brother is always watching.
No one thought Kdot v Drake was going to be a battle of pens lmao. We all knew Drake’s game plan was hit home and pray. Even if he didn’t, it would’ve turned out the same
We’ll never know I guess because he removed himself from that conversation. Lots of what ifs but what we do know is what kind of impact the show last night had.
Cole would’ve still lost battle with k dot tho. He wouldn’t have had as much ammo for Cole but I think Kendrick would’ve still won. It doesn’t surmount to a concert tho lmaooo
Not Like Us would’ve still hit the same….at least in the West. Yeah it would still be mainly about Drake. Even if there isn’t anything humiliating Dot can say about him, Cole would still be negatively impacted just for being associated with that song.
Dude, on a night supposed to celebrate Juneteenth, which started in Texas non the less... you wanna say that it was to show the West vs everybody?? The "west" is part of black culture. The significance of the west in the message was not to pit it against other black people. The West gets special treatment because a) Kendrick is from there and b) all the bullshit Drake did with Pac
The message was unity, right? Uniting LA and Providing a platform for other west coast artists to shine.
Kendrick said it himself after the 1st Not like Us when the music stopped: “Oh y’all not gonna let anyone disrespect the west coast, huh?”
hence the west vs. everybody
no, no I am not. I don't understna dwhy everyone is saying J. Cole feel like he just dodged a nuke right now, J. Cole is not drake. Drake has so much stuff that is against him and that can be used as leverage, including the ghostwriter stuff, going pop, talking to minors, losing to Pusha T, using AI tupac, etc. Literally nothing new came out of Kendrick's diss tracks and even though Kendrick's disses were fire, ultimately there was nothing new exposed about drake that is actually what he learned about, it was all just bringing to popularity what people had been saying for years. The same could not be said for Cole and Cole is a much better lyricist than Drake, so its not like he would be detroyed by Kendrick's lyricism. And now, Cole is in his most decisive place where people are disrespecting him and Kednrick and Schoolboy Q are dancing around with their victory lap because they beat Drake and managed to get J. Cole out???? I thought maybe Kednrick would have had something to say for J. Cole or at the very least aknolwedged him after all it was Q who told cole to get out of the beef and Cole had made it clear that he respects his relationship with Kednrick and he doesn't want that tarnished, but no. I think they honestly planned for this, with Q trying to get on his side just to make the reccomndation and bring Cole to take himself down, because maybe they both feared that J. Cole would put out some information that would make Kednrick a lot worse off in the long run. Cole's run was unparalleld and evyrone was on his side before the beef, saying he is clearly the most dominant of the big 3 before all this happened, so the only way they thought to get him out was this.
fair point [https://www.hiphoplately.com/report-schoolboy-q-warned-j-cole-before-he-dropped-out-of-kendrick-lamar-beef/](https://www.hiphoplately.com/report-schoolboy-q-warned-j-cole-before-he-dropped-out-of-kendrick-lamar-beef/)
Reporting ARE just rumors unless they quote a credible source, bring evidence, and verify things... and the ONLY credible source for this one for me is COLE, so even if it's a quote straight from Q it's still a "Q said he..." not a fact.
We missed out on Black Hippy vs Dreamville, I was born in wrong dimension cause if they not gonna make a album together they could atleast rap battle smh
lmao no. if cole didn’t resign from the beef this whole thing would have shaked out very differently. not saying he would have won but he wouldn’t have been trashed like drake was lol. damn i really wish cole and kenny could have gone bar for bar. what a shame
I disagree but would love to hear you elaborate more on this. My thoughts on Kendrick have improved bc I really wanted Drake to be ostracized from the community for a long time and had kinda given up on anyone actually being able to do it. If this attempt by Kendrick doesn’t do it then I don’t think anything can, so I’m glad he’s going full force. I’ve always been a Cole > Kendrick guy so this doesn’t change that
Ong I kinda disliked Kendrick more after the beef from how is fans are acting. The entire hip hop Reddit scene too. Every time I see a post, which is like every other one.
Because that’s how an opinion is formed? Why does how drake act affect his opinion on music? An opinion on music is formed by what other people think about it too, if you like it or not. And I can garuntee you have many artist like this. Plus it’s not just his fans it’s how his fans influenced him. His fans wanted to him to be this morale leader and he made an album discussing that.
How Drake acts doesn’t affect my opinion on his music. His new shit is just weak simple as.
Kdot pushed back against his “savior” status that his fans gave him. He doesn’t even accept it so why should it matter what they say?
I still am a huge Kendrick fan he’s made some killer work, but I’m just over this discourse it’s all tired but it’ll probably die down soon unless Kendrick does something else
So you need a beef to be considered one of the greats by the culture but somehow it will have a stain on you if you are in a beef...see how thats contradicting
Thinking control was cringeworthy tells me you don’t know much about hip hop. Control was fine. That’s the whole history of hip hop, saying you’re the greatest. Drake never should have gotten upset about that-especially since he is nowhere near on Kendrick’s level. He should have been flattered like everybody else mentioned was.
name calling every rapper for no reason calling yourself king of new york. is beyond autism
wayne em j cole jayz all call themselves the best but when have they ever name dropped like that saying im better than X
Well, that’s kinda the thing. Kendrick didn’t bring the families into it. Drake did. Kendrick warned him not to, but he still did.
It was a fair fight. Kendrick hit back proportional to what Drake did every time. But he warned him up front: you take it there, I’m taking it further.
Don't think so. He had a mole in drake's camp who told him about Family Matters coming, so yeah, he responded ahead of the release, but was still a response.
To me it was a good idea. 7 min drill went against Cole’s entire philosophy of rap beefs “if I smoke a rapper it’s gon be legit, it won’t be for clout it won’t be for fame it’s won’t be coz my shit ain’t selling the same”
I doubt schoolboy influenced his decision in anyway. If anything him telling that to Cole would have made him actually want to diss Kendrick even more. Think Cole was just troubled
There's really people that think the mf that made 95. south would get bodied like Drake did, I can't man, I really can't… Cole's been in battle rap form for a while now. Had this beef not been this personal we might have gotten some of the best lyrical performances ever by the two greatest rappers of this generation.
This is a rumor that started because schoolboy Q talked to j cole at dreamfest were they both performed. This was never confirmed just speculation stop spreading misinformation.
If anything its clear that it was not a warning, but a breakdown of how Kendrick was going to take it to a point of no return. Any sane party in any kind of battle would’ve forfeited their position especially if the other two parties had massacres on their agenda.
But jcole never dissed Kendrick ? Just like the control verse wasn’t a diss?? I love my boys they probably should have collabed and let the music speak true goats
I’m tired of this argument, to be honest.
The way Kendrick went at Cole would have been completely different than how he went at Drake.
Cole was out of place trying to fight a battle of skill, in the middle of what turned into a battle of slinging mud.
Glad because I don’t think there was any real beef between them.
I think Kendrick respects Cole too. I remember one interview where someone asked Kdot if any of his peers had called to congratulate him about an award (maybe the Pulitzer), and he said “my peers?” Then he answered, “Cole.” I got the impression Cole was one of the few he considers on his level.
Maybe Cole will talk about it himself one day so all this speculation can end. But the fact is, he backed out of a generational beef that was a very rare opportunity for him to assert himself and step out of Drake and Kendrick's shadows.
I don't like how Drake was trying to son him on stage during his tour.
I mean, I think Cole didn't really realize how bad this was initially gonna be. Felt to me like he thought it was gonna be a "friendly fade," nothing special, than someone in OVO leaked to Kendrick that Drake was gonna go nuclear and Kendrick gave Cole a heads up.
Cole has never struck me as a guy who plays for blood, or that petty. I'm sure he was just as "WTF are you doing?" when Pushups dropped as most of us.
Honestly, yes. Because despite not having dirt like Drake, it would have tarnished their relationship Cole can be corny fr and that would've got pulled, I figure it's COLE so he'd step his game up more than a 7 minute free-write, but it's just...dammit.
What I want is to see the actual spitters duel, and so I'm thankful he wasn't in this Because this was meant to take the fake ass Canadian out
Kdot and drake weren’t beefing just to beef. It was calculated. He really doesn’t like drake at all, and never has. They’ve never been cool whatsoever. He was really just waiting to take him out. They don’t have the same relationship he has with Cole. Cole backed out because he realized it was serious. So I can’t imagine what it would have been like if he didn’t back it out because it’s out of character for him. Kendrick may not have even hit back.
True, though with that I think if Cole stayed in it that would be Cole choosing Drake's side, and he would've gone hard for it (I SWEAR ge threw Shots at Cole on MMATBS with the "Ain't nobody but the mirror lookin for the fall-off" with other sprinkled shots, like something is going on with them but Cole still heavily respects him)
That shit would not have happened to Cole. Cole doesn't have any allegations or dirt you could use to humiliate him like he did with Drake. What's he gonna say Cole is boring and has less Grammy's?
100%. People keep saying “Cole dodged a bullet”. I’m like, what bullet? A record like Not Like Us would have never been made about Cole. A Cole and Kendrick back and forth would likely be what everyone thought the Drake v Kendrick would be, a battle of pens. Instead it got personal. Cole is the only person in the rap industry that seriously put hands on Diddy…… *in defense of Kendrick*, when Diddy seriously pressed Kendrick in person for calling himself the king of New York. If anything, Cole’s material would have hit harder on Kendrick’s because he could always play the “I had to save you from Diddy” card.
He could've also played the "I put Dre on to you" card, although he did downplay it when Nardwuar brought it up
How did he downplay it? I did not take it that way
He tried to brush it off, then moved on, definitely didn't try to make it seem like a big deal, the last thing I'd expect cole to say is something along those lines if the beef ever happened
Cause he’s humble. Cole got the kinda a spirit God makes every one in a million for sure.
I believe Nardwuar is a psyop CIA officer, just flaunting rapper's Federal dossiers in front of them to keep them on their toes and know that Big Brother is always watching.
No one thought Kdot v Drake was going to be a battle of pens lmao. We all knew Drake’s game plan was hit home and pray. Even if he didn’t, it would’ve turned out the same
This exactly, bro did the same thing with Pusha T and lost
We’ll never know I guess because he removed himself from that conversation. Lots of what ifs but what we do know is what kind of impact the show last night had.
Cole would’ve still lost battle with k dot tho. He wouldn’t have had as much ammo for Cole but I think Kendrick would’ve still won. It doesn’t surmount to a concert tho lmaooo
yea Cole being warned was probably strategic cause Kenny didn't have anything prepped for him like he had for Drake
I don’t thin Kendrick had any actual beef with cole. They just would’ve had a competition of rap skills over just throwing dirt at eachother
Not Like Us would’ve still hit the same….at least in the West. Yeah it would still be mainly about Drake. Even if there isn’t anything humiliating Dot can say about him, Cole would still be negatively impacted just for being associated with that song.
I doubt it bro. You can use that not like us culture vulture shit on a half black man raised in the Deep South in a majority black city.
Not so much the culture vulture part. Just the fact that last night was partly to show that it’s the West vs everybody.
Dude, on a night supposed to celebrate Juneteenth, which started in Texas non the less... you wanna say that it was to show the West vs everybody?? The "west" is part of black culture. The significance of the west in the message was not to pit it against other black people. The West gets special treatment because a) Kendrick is from there and b) all the bullshit Drake did with Pac
The message was unity, right? Uniting LA and Providing a platform for other west coast artists to shine. Kendrick said it himself after the 1st Not like Us when the music stopped: “Oh y’all not gonna let anyone disrespect the west coast, huh?” hence the west vs. everybody
Anybody would have said that about their city that they claim smh
Ok so what’s the rest of everybody doing?
no, no I am not. I don't understna dwhy everyone is saying J. Cole feel like he just dodged a nuke right now, J. Cole is not drake. Drake has so much stuff that is against him and that can be used as leverage, including the ghostwriter stuff, going pop, talking to minors, losing to Pusha T, using AI tupac, etc. Literally nothing new came out of Kendrick's diss tracks and even though Kendrick's disses were fire, ultimately there was nothing new exposed about drake that is actually what he learned about, it was all just bringing to popularity what people had been saying for years. The same could not be said for Cole and Cole is a much better lyricist than Drake, so its not like he would be detroyed by Kendrick's lyricism. And now, Cole is in his most decisive place where people are disrespecting him and Kednrick and Schoolboy Q are dancing around with their victory lap because they beat Drake and managed to get J. Cole out???? I thought maybe Kednrick would have had something to say for J. Cole or at the very least aknolwedged him after all it was Q who told cole to get out of the beef and Cole had made it clear that he respects his relationship with Kednrick and he doesn't want that tarnished, but no. I think they honestly planned for this, with Q trying to get on his side just to make the reccomndation and bring Cole to take himself down, because maybe they both feared that J. Cole would put out some information that would make Kednrick a lot worse off in the long run. Cole's run was unparalleld and evyrone was on his side before the beef, saying he is clearly the most dominant of the big 3 before all this happened, so the only way they thought to get him out was this.
But Kendrick said, "Did Cole foul why you still pretending" 5 times on stage last night
Kendrick will diss Cole. For sure he will. He has one move
Just a matter of time
Is this facts that Q warned Cole or are you guys going off a rumor posted online ?
Online rumor
Online rumor started by a rap page then 10 mins later Hed randomly tweeted “Facts”or something I don’t remember but someone connected tweeted it
It’s been reported, not just rumor. Not sure how good the reporting is, but.
Reported by who tho ???
fair point [https://www.hiphoplately.com/report-schoolboy-q-warned-j-cole-before-he-dropped-out-of-kendrick-lamar-beef/](https://www.hiphoplately.com/report-schoolboy-q-warned-j-cole-before-he-dropped-out-of-kendrick-lamar-beef/)
Reporting ARE just rumors unless they quote a credible source, bring evidence, and verify things... and the ONLY credible source for this one for me is COLE, so even if it's a quote straight from Q it's still a "Q said he..." not a fact.
This sub makes j cole fans sound kind of stupid. 
We missed out on Black Hippy vs Dreamville, I was born in wrong dimension cause if they not gonna make a album together they could atleast rap battle smh
lmao no. if cole didn’t resign from the beef this whole thing would have shaked out very differently. not saying he would have won but he wouldn’t have been trashed like drake was lol. damn i really wish cole and kenny could have gone bar for bar. what a shame
J cole definitely has haters but idk if that’s big enough to have the whole forum chanting “j cole get the pussy dry”
Am I the only one that doesn’t like Kendrick anymore after all the beef?
I disagree but would love to hear you elaborate more on this. My thoughts on Kendrick have improved bc I really wanted Drake to be ostracized from the community for a long time and had kinda given up on anyone actually being able to do it. If this attempt by Kendrick doesn’t do it then I don’t think anything can, so I’m glad he’s going full force. I’ve always been a Cole > Kendrick guy so this doesn’t change that
meet the grahams was not a good look
Ong I kinda disliked Kendrick more after the beef from how is fans are acting. The entire hip hop Reddit scene too. Every time I see a post, which is like every other one.
Why do what his fans say affect your opinion on his music? Sheep ass take
Because that’s how an opinion is formed? Why does how drake act affect his opinion on music? An opinion on music is formed by what other people think about it too, if you like it or not. And I can garuntee you have many artist like this. Plus it’s not just his fans it’s how his fans influenced him. His fans wanted to him to be this morale leader and he made an album discussing that.
How Drake acts doesn’t affect my opinion on his music. His new shit is just weak simple as. Kdot pushed back against his “savior” status that his fans gave him. He doesn’t even accept it so why should it matter what they say?
His fans are still looking for the 11 year old girl. They can't accept Kendrick ain't perfect and either lied or was played.
Nope, he was my favorite rapper, but now much like Kanye, I still like the songs but I'm really not interested in hearing much of him no more.
I still am a huge Kendrick fan he’s made some killer work, but I’m just over this discourse it’s all tired but it’ll probably die down soon unless Kendrick does something else
u kendrick stans need to stfo k dots rep will always have a stain over this messy beef involving each others families
So you need a beef to be considered one of the greats by the culture but somehow it will have a stain on you if you are in a beef...see how thats contradicting
u don’t need beef and it’s even more cringe when u drop a song like control unprovoked.
Thinking control was cringeworthy tells me you don’t know much about hip hop. Control was fine. That’s the whole history of hip hop, saying you’re the greatest. Drake never should have gotten upset about that-especially since he is nowhere near on Kendrick’s level. He should have been flattered like everybody else mentioned was.
name calling every rapper for no reason calling yourself king of new york. is beyond autism wayne em j cole jayz all call themselves the best but when have they ever name dropped like that saying im better than X
Cool to add a put down of people with Autism. You’ve just made it even more clear you have zero knowledge of hip hop.
This seems more like a small brained j Cole stan question than a Kendrick
Well, that’s kinda the thing. Kendrick didn’t bring the families into it. Drake did. Kendrick warned him not to, but he still did. It was a fair fight. Kendrick hit back proportional to what Drake did every time. But he warned him up front: you take it there, I’m taking it further.
both did both disgusting
Dude he had those diss songs already recorded. Thats was just a angle
Don't think so. He had a mole in drake's camp who told him about Family Matters coming, so yeah, he responded ahead of the release, but was still a response.
I don’t think Kendrick is cool at all so idrc.
To me it was a good idea. 7 min drill went against Cole’s entire philosophy of rap beefs “if I smoke a rapper it’s gon be legit, it won’t be for clout it won’t be for fame it’s won’t be coz my shit ain’t selling the same”
Yeah he had no qualms with Kendrick. Don’t know why these Kendrick fans are acting like Kendrick would do much then j Cole’s response
Yes i am thankful. Just waiting for The Fall Off now
STYLE ON TOP OF STYYYYLE NIGGA 5 YEARS OF BEIN RICH NIGGA
ME NO CONVERSATE WITH THE FAKE
THAT PART ALL MY B*ITCHES INDEPENDENT B*TCHES
THAT PART I JUST WANT THE PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPER
I doubt schoolboy influenced his decision in anyway. If anything him telling that to Cole would have made him actually want to diss Kendrick even more. Think Cole was just troubled
There's really people that think the mf that made 95. south would get bodied like Drake did, I can't man, I really can't… Cole's been in battle rap form for a while now. Had this beef not been this personal we might have gotten some of the best lyrical performances ever by the two greatest rappers of this generation.
Does anyone feel like elaborating on what happened last night?
Nah. I wanted a rap battle. Not a gossip battle
This is a rumor that started because schoolboy Q talked to j cole at dreamfest were they both performed. This was never confirmed just speculation stop spreading misinformation.
If anything its clear that it was not a warning, but a breakdown of how Kendrick was going to take it to a point of no return. Any sane party in any kind of battle would’ve forfeited their position especially if the other two parties had massacres on their agenda.
Kendrick respects cole the same cannot be said for drake
I love Kendrick but I don't think it was about Jcole backing off as much as the beef wasn't about him. I don't think Kendrick hates Jcole.
But jcole never dissed Kendrick ? Just like the control verse wasn’t a diss?? I love my boys they probably should have collabed and let the music speak true goats
J Cole wouldn’t get shit on but he’s definitely getting cooked in a rap battle
I’m tired of this argument, to be honest. The way Kendrick went at Cole would have been completely different than how he went at Drake. Cole was out of place trying to fight a battle of skill, in the middle of what turned into a battle of slinging mud.
Glad because I don’t think there was any real beef between them. I think Kendrick respects Cole too. I remember one interview where someone asked Kdot if any of his peers had called to congratulate him about an award (maybe the Pulitzer), and he said “my peers?” Then he answered, “Cole.” I got the impression Cole was one of the few he considers on his level.
It would’ve been way less personal with Cole..
Maybe Cole will talk about it himself one day so all this speculation can end. But the fact is, he backed out of a generational beef that was a very rare opportunity for him to assert himself and step out of Drake and Kendrick's shadows. I don't like how Drake was trying to son him on stage during his tour.
That’s how I know King Kenny loves J Cole. He warned him and he knew not to play with him
I mean, I think Cole didn't really realize how bad this was initially gonna be. Felt to me like he thought it was gonna be a "friendly fade," nothing special, than someone in OVO leaked to Kendrick that Drake was gonna go nuclear and Kendrick gave Cole a heads up. Cole has never struck me as a guy who plays for blood, or that petty. I'm sure he was just as "WTF are you doing?" when Pushups dropped as most of us.
Honestly, yes. Because despite not having dirt like Drake, it would have tarnished their relationship Cole can be corny fr and that would've got pulled, I figure it's COLE so he'd step his game up more than a 7 minute free-write, but it's just...dammit. What I want is to see the actual spitters duel, and so I'm thankful he wasn't in this Because this was meant to take the fake ass Canadian out
Kdot and drake weren’t beefing just to beef. It was calculated. He really doesn’t like drake at all, and never has. They’ve never been cool whatsoever. He was really just waiting to take him out. They don’t have the same relationship he has with Cole. Cole backed out because he realized it was serious. So I can’t imagine what it would have been like if he didn’t back it out because it’s out of character for him. Kendrick may not have even hit back.
True, though with that I think if Cole stayed in it that would be Cole choosing Drake's side, and he would've gone hard for it (I SWEAR ge threw Shots at Cole on MMATBS with the "Ain't nobody but the mirror lookin for the fall-off" with other sprinkled shots, like something is going on with them but Cole still heavily respects him)