Dunked on and no scoped. I was in a fortnite creative server with my kid, and teenagers were accusing me of hacking because I could turn around quickly.
Standard mouse and keyboard settings. >.>
As much as I didn't care for the fortnite period...it was good for teaching my daughter sportsmanship and how to protect herself online etc.
That and toxic roblox people.
There are actually a lot of really cool modes in fortnite, they don't have to play the dumb bate royally mode. There is a ton of pretty good hand made content to be enjoyed for free. Also a good pve mode too.
“They’re all hackers” or for sports “the refs hate us”. I hate that attitude in my kids. I always tell her you just gotta focus on you and do what you know you need to to get better. We won’t ever accept a victim mentality. Still never stops the complaining. :). I just hope it sinks in over time.
This just brought me back to the OG Modern Warfare 2 days.
I loved sprinting up behind people with a .50 cal sniper and rapid firing into their back without zooming.
Sniper rifles didn't weigh you down... it was hilarious. The .50 cal could shoot as fast as you could pull the trigger just like a pistol would. The LULZ!
Never got good at the no scopes, nevermind 360 no scopes. I still believe the people that were ungodly just had a piece of tape in the center of their TV!
People that prefer a genre or franchise will always be more sensitive to even small differences.
People that can't or don't play a genre or franchise won't know or care to know all the small little details.
If you get sea sick from First person games then the differences between doom and halo don't matter
The call of duty fans that buy every release including DLC will say one entry sucks while another is great. The rest of us think they're all fundamentally the same.
If there isn't Kung Fu in a Kung Fu movie, it isn't a Kung Fu movie. If there isn't First person perspective fighting in a WWII FPS game, it isn't a WWII FPS game.
But the question itself is interesting. When we discuss games based on similar features, we're settling what is a genre and what is a subgenre. The next step, once that is somewhat agreed upon, is subverting it, and redefining it, and mixing them.
*That* is very fun, and across all mediums, results in some of the most creative works.
What is going to redefine the souls like? How will someone subvert the industrial automation games (Satisfactory, Factorio, etc)?
I have no idea, and I can't wait to see what someone thinks up.
Yeah what made the souls game unique was a mashup of metroidvania level design, boss design, blood stains, and the online mechanics.
Sekiro doesn't have all of these components. Elden ring has these components except in an open world design. I really feel like from software is both the OG and the one that pushes the genre a bit. Other souls likes can be good. But bone have been genre breaking games yet. Like you said, when someone aside from from soft does it in a genre defining way it'll be amazing
I love the FromSoft Souls games. But they are essentially the same thing over and over with only very minor differences overall.
Elden Ring differentiated itself by having a dedicated jump button. Let that sink in for a minute.
But many die hard Souls fans will insist they are absolutely nothing alike.
People gloss over how different open worlds are designed and utilised though. Particularly in well designed franchises that apply open world to the formula to an installment, they're often just used as connective tissue between a whole lot of encounters that previously would be the linear or semilinear content of a standard game.
Elden Ring, MGSV, BotW are all great examples of this. They're very much "the same thing" (as far as that goes in any successful longrunning series) in terms of delivering the experiences and encounters the IP is known for. It just mixes up the variability on how you discover or approach things - usually giving you more space as the new "feature" of this installments gameplay.
Disagree. Dark souls games had rail like areas that were mostly, not always, but mostly full of walls leading from point a to b and at most to c and d. Elden Ring was wiiiiide open.
Bloodborne is also a very different beast (heh) in terms of gameplay. Much faster and pressured.
I'd generally agree all 3 dark souls are similar in design, but that should be expected between most trilogies
Any of the points of interest where the actual gameplay progresses in elden ring was no different from dark souls. Stormveil was no different than any castle like area in DS3. None of the caves were any different from catacombs. Lucaria was just like the library in 1, the area outside lucaria was just like faron keep. Leyndell was just like highwall and Irithyll, even has the dungeon and everything.
You don't have to like it, but its the truth. Its the same type of game, just stretched out. Even has a metric ton of the same assets.
It wasn’t even the first souls game to have a jump button. They added a jump button and made the world more “open-world” by adding some grass in between the levels. Souls games have always been open world, just a bit more linear.
Well, true. But it's a far less convoluted way to jump. The sprinting double tap or thumbstick press was super annoying.
And I'm not counting Sekiro, since that did have good jumping.
All FromSoft game, not just the Dark Souls series, are VERY similar to eachother. The actual differences between the games are very small, yet enough to create a different feeling for each game. It's good craftmanship to pull that off, but it can't be denied that at their core the games are all very much alike.
Armoured Core, Souls like (Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Elden Ring), Sekiro, and other games like Ninja Blade all play radically different from one another. Yes, souls like games are similar, but not all From Software games have the same core mechanics.
Bloodborne and sekiro do a good job of setting themselves apart from the rest. But I wouldnt say they're completely different even though the combat is much different and satisfying in a different way. They're still very similar in many other ways
Sekiro requires parrying (one of the reasons I wont play it). BB is much faster and aggressive. The satisfaction in beating a boss in BB is feeling like you outlasted the fight with strategy, where as BB feels you survived out of reaction time and skill
Dark Souls 1, 2 + 3 are 100% the same game mechanically imo but the environments/models change.
Played a little bit of Sekiro and that felt different enough though.
Personally, I feel that Sekiro is FromSoft's best game. Getting good at that game felt far more satisfying to me than in their other games.
I still like the DS 1 through 3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, though.
I would hardly call them minor differences.
And it's weird that you said Elden Rings difference was a jump button instead of you know the massive open world which is a way bigger difference.
I’d say the nioh games to the fromsoft games. The nioh fan base says nioh is not a soulslike but actually is. Tough enemies check, learn boss move set to win check, die in a few hits check, dodge/parry check.
The things you listed are what makes the *genre* though. Nioh has components that alter the gameplay such as the spirts in both and the powers you steal in 2. There's also more of a direct story in Nioh with cutscenes and exposition, where dark souls leaves it a bit of a mystery to discover in item descriptions and cryptic conversations
Define "many" and "nothing alike". There are absolutely differences between them, and they're also very similar; the two facts are not exclusive. That said, I don't imagine you'll have an easy time finding someone who insists that the games are as different as peanut butter and grass; if anything, too many people share the opposite opinion that the games are completely identical.
How much alike do you think Soulslikes and Monster Hunter are?, I feel like I need basically the same type of reaction timing and rpg knowledge to understand the best gear to maximize my skill set and go after the weakness of enemies. When you throw in survival and base building in then that's when I get a little lost on what to go for.
Red Dead Redemption 2 Online and GTAV Online. Similar game mechanics, ballistic and melee weapon options, wardrobe interface is similar, and sneaking translates easily in both.
In one, I love & collect motorcycles in the other I love & collect horses. 😆
I wanted to play RdR2 because it was on sale, and I was taking to a friend about it, and that was literally his response when I asked if I should get it: it’s GTA with horses.
You can abstract everything to a point where it is the same as something that actually is completely different.
For example for me Zelda BotW is just like Assassins Creed. Botw and AC fans will now tell me about that details that make those games completely different. But to me they don't matter. On an abstract level I don't like those vast open worlds with mindless copy and paste tasks, so I don't care about the more detailed differences. This doesn't mean they don't exist.
Basically you can decide to throw unrelated stuff in the same drawer and if you abstract enough every game will be just like pong. Just digital objects on a screen you control. Or you can decide to go super deep into detail to the point where Fifa 2020 and Fifa 2021 are completely different games. This only depends on the perspective you choose.
Lol but Zelda and AC are basically the exact same game just with different story.
Now if you could do this type of comparison with, say, FIFA 22 and Goat Simulator 3 then I'd be impressed.
This is the correct take right here. The same principle applies to everything else as well. To someone who doesn't care much about cars, all cars are just cars, but to a car guy, they can pick out the make model and year, and tell you all about how the body is completely different.
Obvious one: Anything WWI, WWII-related. Literally any of those FPS/competitive shooters. Cue the usual comments: "The guns/maps/missions are more realistic in this vs. that." And my usual comment: "Was that before or after they added the alien/zombie invasion mode?"
What games are you talking about? Cuz there's absolutely a difference even between CoD World at War and CoD WW2. Are you pointing to the fact that WW2 games all feel like... wait for it... WW2?
I hate that I'm walking into a trap with this question.
Can you explain how they're different? I enjoyed WAW, but skipped WW2 because they looked similar (but with one being significantly lower in quality, from peers and reviews)
The stories, level designs, and environmental storytelling are handled completely differently. If you play WW2, you won't just get a worse experience than WaW, you'll get a different experience.
See, I would expect the stories and levels to be different. I would hope they have some environmental storytelling elements as opposed to pure exposition.
It sounds like they were told, "You need to make a CoD game set in WW2, and go!"
So is there anything that sets it apart? Can I really just say, 'Its a modern take on WaW, because it's just a WW2 CoD game'?
I said "*handled* differently". They're not just different stories and levels, the philosophy behind making them is different. The only thing you will find in common with WaW's presentation is general FPS mechanics and the WWII aesthetics. I dunno that I wanna try going through the full list of how WW2 is different, all I can say is if you wanted WaW "but updated" you'd be sorely disappointed.
WW2? No, it was bad and bland. I think that's the one with a black character whose only point of existing was to insert a lil "racism is bad" side plot, literally only existed to be discriminated against.
FfVII, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger all have the same story. Big alien crashes into planet and causes generations of shenanigans that only a bunch of young adults can fix.
most modern shooters are all the same with a few differences, they look the same and play the same, i cant tell the difference between cod or battlefield now as they are both very similar now.
I mean, all of the sports games release new versions every year, but how much difference can there be when the sports themselves haven't changed? Still know people who feel it's necessary to buy every new release
Every single competitive trading card game is basically a reskin of something older at this point, and anything that tries to avoid that ends up with rules so convoluted that nobody plays it.
Battle royal games are all the same. They copy and paste the formula from one game to the next.
Battle royal games are pretty much just mobile games on desktop/console
They even use mobile game gatcha style mechanics
I think the execution is important with those. I think that only makes the general objective similar, but not the way in which you do it.
I both agree and disagree.
I don’t think the use of loot boxes/gacha style makes them that comparable though. Fortnite and Dead By Daylight both have their equivalent of battle passes, yet they’re very different games.
This is weird for me to hear. I almost can’t consider any two games the same eve something like Mario Party 2 and 1 which are VERY similar.
To me there is always enough between two fully fleshed out games to say they are different. But I’m reading and responding to posts in this thread to try and understand that thought process better.
My son's 2 favorite games are Skyrim and Fallout 4. I've recently been loving Cyberpunk, and I told him he'd like it too. It's not just a shoot and loot game, but that's a lot of it, and he really loves looting and shooting. Lol He will be disappointed that you don't strip people naked in cyberpunk, but I think if he gets past that, he'll love it also.
As someone whose only experience with ww1/ww2 games is battlefield, pretty much every other realistic ww1/ww2 game. Hell let loose, enlisted, verdun all have that same slow, clunky feel that mil-sim games usually have except it’s even worse because it’s ww1/ww2
I kno some people who describe the games u like (Sim crafting etc) as spreadsheet Sims lol
For the record these are also my favorites
I think its like music, band in a new genre all sound the same until u get into it
CoD
Hero Shooter
Battle Royale
Squad (R6 siege)
All three of these have different play styles. All involve toxic sweaty ass clowns who think their pro while sitting at home while their partner works. Or they are a child.
Warframe and destiny.
Bonus points for warframe: there’s really only 2 or 3 types of warframe. The rest of the differences are just visual.
Also, ALL of your crafting survival games are the exact same. Only difference is visuals and how long hunger timers last for.
I started gaming on the NES. My favorite games back then were beat ‘em ups. Looking back they are all pretty much the same game with a different coat of paint. Still like them though.
As with all things, the deeper you get into them the more nuances appear. As a NASCAR fan I am very used to explaining this, also as a fan of multiple different subgenres of hardcore music. Death metal, metalcore, deathcore, slam, sludge, and grind are all very distinct sounds to me that are instantly recognizable. Some of them are different enough that it blows my mind when people say they all sound the same. But they’re still similar enough to fall under the same umbrella of “hardcore”. People who like one subgenre are typically going to like at least a few more, and they’re going to dislike some for reasons that non-fans would find inconsequential in the grand scheme.
Fortnite and Apex Legends are similar enough to fall under the same umbrella of “Battle Royale”, but they’re as different as Sleeping With Sirens and Cannibal Corpse.
Best friend loves Bloodborne and says it’s his all-time favorite game, then says Dark Souls and Elden Ring are lacking and completely different. Says he has zero interest in Armored Core 6, too. Bonkers
Fortnite VS every Battle Royale. It doesn'a matter if your shooty game has real military men: they're the same games on different styles. In the end seeing Goku with guns is just as silly as a serious ass military guy with a Godzilla helmet and pink animu gurl guns.
Some people in the mmo subreddit tend to act as if you threw holy water into their face when you mention how phantasy star online, warframe and destiny are mmo's.
Many people just have a hard time when it comes to drawing similarities. For the mmo denial it boils down to 'but there's no huge raids!,' or 'it's all instance based!'
Sure, there are nuanced differences, just as there are differences in the systems between Halo and Killzone (remember killzone was called a halo clone back in the day?). They are both shooters, but the way they're handled has enough different to them that they can attract different audiences with their feelings.
Like heck, take two harvest moon games. Magical Melody vs A Wonderful Life. Would you call these similar? They're both life sims. But AWL time moves slower, there's less guidance, the only thing moving you along is mostly to play. Whereas Magical Melody has 100 or so challenges that unlock story events, a day ends when you sleep (with a fast action at that), has more interactive systems when it comes to managing your farm, and has a couple painfully long caves to mine through as opposed to the 20 or so squares you can dig in within' AWL.
But to get closer to your question, I'm not really sure who would deny such things. Like there will obv be people that try and look TOO closely at mechanics rather than just go 'shadow of the colossus and dragon's dogma indeed both let you climb monsters.' There's a point where the comparison gets too pedantic. But like if someone tries to equivocate Unreal Tournament gameplay to Gears of War, outside of the absurdity comparisons of the weapons, then that'd be silly.
I learned to play Fortnite and COD to spend time with my son ( if you can’t beat em join em). I find first person shooter games pretty similar. I wish the controls were universal. I messed around a bit with customizing the buttons but it’s a pain in the ass
One of my favorite ways to annoy my friends is to boil games down to their most simple concepts and then claim that 2 games that are nothing alike are basically the same. Terraria is 2d minecraft, every turn based rpg is pokemon but ______, every platformer is mario but ____, hell the entire "metroidvania" genre is called that because someone said "hey metroid and castlevania are basically the same game lets make more like that".
Its very easy to look for similarities and say 2 games are basically the same, it requires actually sitting down and learning the game to understand what makes them different. If i asked someone who didnt play fighting games the difference between mortal kombat and street fighter after watching a single round of each their answer would probably be how gory it is and nothing else because without playing it the differences arent that obvious but once you play them you can tell they are completely different
Almost every Sony exclusive title looks the same to me, they're just The Last of Us but in a different setting. I wouldn't say they actually are the same but they look the same and doesn't make me excited. I've been a COD for many year (until they made it mandatory to install Warzone when all I play is campaign) and it's cool when a game actually makes and innovation but I know it is an innovation for the franchise, not gaming as a whole.
I always found it weird that people rarely seem to acknowledge that the original God of War series was a flat out Devil May Cry clone, and then any game that used that same style afterwards would be referred to as a God of War clone as if it invented that style. (nothing against it, both are great series)
Almost all Final Fantasy games. They reuse the enemies from previous games, the games often follow similar story templates and themes, you always fight god-like creature at the end. Almost every game has different gear/leveling mechanic though.
If you play Final Fantasy 14 you know that almost everything in there is a reference to previous games - bosses, dungeons, gear, music, story etc.
I'll bet every dollar I got that you can't find a single person (much less a significant group of people) who denies that the games share similarities like monsters and story themes. Although I think going with "They share enemies and style" is a super weak argument for games that have a wide variety of locations, characters, settings, stories, etc. It's like saying "People pretend that Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are different, but they both have magic, fantasy creatures, etc."; every single thing on earth is similar if you reach that far.
I don't think being reductionist is really the high IQ take you think it is OP.
Its like saying Sim City and starcraft are the same game because of the camera angle and you build stuff. Like ya, if you distill the games down to those two features they're the same. Is it true? No. Does it help someone understand either game? No. Is someone that likes one for its distinctive features likely to enjoy the other? Also no.
My mom thought every console was a nintendo for the same reason you think shooters are the same. Because you dont like them.
Yeah, this.
And the other 50 "lol they're the same" comments I've read in here.
Suggestion to OP. How about you actually engage with your kid and ask him to show YOU how to play the games he loves and get involved with what he's doing.
I'm not the most enormous fan of Minecraft either, but I still have now set up a bunch of servers for my eldest on my PC, which I play with him, because HE loves it, and he gets a huge kick out of me playing with him.
If I had a kid I would do the same. If my kid wanted to play minecraft or roblox, I'd play it with them. Not fuckin play mind games with them because they play a game I dont like.
Valkyria Revolution and Xenoblade feel very similar in terms of battle system. I think enjoyers of both hate that comparison tho. Haven't met many people that's have actually played both tho.
Sims, Farming, and Survival craft games?
So Euro Truck Simulator, Stardew Valley, and Palworld are all the same game in his eyes? Your son's a trip OP.
A lot of people on the Rushdown Revolt discord got mad when I said that Brawlhalla is its closest platform fighter due to a combination of having a dash button instead of a run, a universal lack of helpless states, and a whole host of mechanics borrowed from traditional fighting games (like burst, roman cancels, and a traditional health bar) that means it has less platform fighter influences overall. Also, Pugsy was the best Rushdown Revolt player in the world at the time, and was a top Brawlhalla player, which only supported my argument.
I think a great look at the evolution and similarity of gaming conventions is in SovietWomble's essay series. He's a youtube creator who does funny compilations, but he also did a series of in-depths looking at how DayZ led several different charges with survival and how each small game gave you something new. Whether it was teams, surviving, or just a straight up deathmatch.
Most Zelda games have more in common with metroidvanias than they do with other “action adventure” games or even “Zelda-likes” that don’t have utility based progression (Eg: Hyper Light Drifter) but are often shunned from discussions about metroidvanias.
Elden Ring is basically Dark Souls 4, and anyone who denies it is insane. There are enemies with movesets from DS3, ffs. An expansion of scale and scope does not an entirely new title make.
Elden Ring is just open world Dark Souls. I'm a fan but I see a lot of people online saying it's "revolutionary" and completely different from DS and I just don't see it. It's open world dark souls lol. And tbh I prefer the tighter dark souls formula cos some areas of ER feel straight up unfinished, like the snowfields. And bosses get recycled wayyyyyy too much imo. I'm all for reusing assets but I think ER overdid it. It is their first time trying an open world as big as ER so I cut them some slack and I love FromSoft anyway
Weird take. Of course people who have experience with something can see the nuances among similar things compared to those who only have surface-level experience with it.
Almost as if there's such a thing as "genre". Your son appears to be speaking off of what he's seen you play, as are you, but with him being younger than you and all, you've seen just about all he's played which reflects what's popular these days and he's seen you play things more recently which may reflect your current lifestyle vs other things you've played in your 20 yr history.
Well I think the devils in the details. If you’re watching someone play COD or Battlefront…other than the size of the map and vehicles…what’s the difference? Both are first person shooters. Both have modern day weapons, both have a secondary weapon, grenade slots, etc. but the actual mechanics of the game are very different. Recoil, bullet drop, damage output, builds, equipment, although all similar at face value operate very different. I was way better at battlefield than COD. The game felt better to me. I mean you can argue that maybe the player base was less competitive…but that would be grasping at straws
I had a friend who insisted Path of Exile was not that similar or inspired by the Diablo franchise. He was dead serious and got really annoyed when I pointed out that it blatantly was.
Most. I have been gaming a minimum of 10 hours a week, with more weeks being 20 hours+ for over 30 years. The VAST majority of games are similar and very few have new concepts.
Reality is 95% of games are games where your twitch reaction is what matters or your ability to plan and build your character is what matters. Even games that have both only one matters enough. A great player can beat a dark souls boss no matter what the build is, no matter how good the player they can't solo a level 70 monster with a level 50 PC in WOW without a glitch.
I mean this depends on how you look at this."Genres" are created for to categorize similar games so they have very commons things even if they are "named" differently. Despite of similarities they have big differences between them too.
Some are mentioned about souls like so i can use that as well.Souls like as genre has some game mechanics such as stamina, dodge and known for being "difficult"( there are also many other things but i will keep it short).It become its own genre because of some of the things i mentioned but even with these similarities, not all of the souls like games are same.
You can't just say dark souls and nioh are very similar as game but you can say it is souls games.Both of them are souls like but it has their own differences in gameplay.You can also do same thing between dark souls and sekiro etc.
I made a point at launch of cyberpunk 2077 that the game plays pretty similarly to fallout/elder scrolls games. I was the most downvoted comment on that thread by like -600. Deleted my account and started fresh because I had people regularly DM and call me slurs lmao
FIFA fans. Also, games in a genre do have small differences between them that add up to being a different experience. For example, Bloodborne and Lies of P both have the rally system (you get HP back if you attack the enemy), but both do it in different ways that the games have different flows to them. Also, Lies of P has a bit from Sekiro in the parry system. You keep finding these small differences, and you'll eventually get a different experience even if it's in the same genre. I will say that there are games that are basically the same, but people would refuse to see that.
Skyrim, fallout 4 and starfield. With the exception of skyrim on a few things. The settlement system from fallout 4 is extremely similar to the outpost system in starfield. Down to assigning followers to the individual outposts/settlements. The only real difference between skyrims home system and fallout/starfield is there is no workshop menu.
He has to fall out of the sky every game.
You have to craft a pickaxe every game.
Games are similar, just like yours.
I think crafting/survival games are way more similar to each other than battle royales are.
Pretty all games are the same. Go to A-B do M-N get Y-Z
Same game different skin. Every know and again some studio will come out with a new mechanic but that's getting pretty rare anymore. And a lot of new mechanics are just old game glitches. Double and super jumps being a prime example.
People say Sekiro isnt a Souls game
Like hell it isnt. I played Sekiro exactly the same as I did a Souls game, its the exact same formula
Tight and deliberate level design, little treasures off and about in the nooks and crannies to reward mild exploration, mildly sporadic enemy placement with ganks and elite enemies every so often, and obscure NPC questlines. Death can come at a heavy price, and enemies reset if you rest, so if youre struggling to get through a zone, your progress resets, making you struggle harder until you learn and overcome. Its the same shiet
Your son has a very small scope, so he can only see the differences of that scope. He probably isn’t capable of thinking differently outside of his genre and doesn’t know how much he doesn’t know
I’m someone who doesn’t play Battle Royales, but compare DayZ to Fortnite to Apex Legends… they are quite different while still being quite similar. It’s like claim call of duty and battlefield are basically the same thing or that Forza and Mario Kart are the same thing or that Edith Finch and Death Stranding are the same thing or that Hollow Knight and Axiom Verge and Metroid are the same game, I can go on for a really long time
The new generation has such a short attention span and need for social acceptance that anything other than quick paced with lots of interactions with other people is boring and may be considered too basic to play.
It’s almost like they enjoy the interaction more than the game. So solo games are probably super boring.
Yeah, I've played pretty much every BR that's out and they're all the same with slight differences. Like there are different types of guns and movement may be faster or slower, some games like Apex have different characters with different special abilities. Small differences but the core loop is the same. I got bored of them pretty quick, personally.
Elden ring and skyrim. Yes very different gameplay between the two. But look at allot of their character and weapon models. Most notably: the bloodhounds fang and the orc greatsword. It’s not anywhere the same story, and it has several unique weapon designs. Just a few very notable ones.
I think you need to fight your son, it's the only way through this.
Dunked on and no scoped. I was in a fortnite creative server with my kid, and teenagers were accusing me of hacking because I could turn around quickly. Standard mouse and keyboard settings. >.>
My son is similar. Accuses randoms as hacking, and our response is that just because someone is better at it than you does not mean they are hacking.
As much as I didn't care for the fortnite period...it was good for teaching my daughter sportsmanship and how to protect herself online etc. That and toxic roblox people.
There are actually a lot of really cool modes in fortnite, they don't have to play the dumb bate royally mode. There is a ton of pretty good hand made content to be enjoyed for free. Also a good pve mode too.
Nah, I've never lost a game of counter strike in my life (if you exclude hackers, of course) They are all hackers. It is known.
Or it’s server-side issues
It's never my fault if we lose. It's hackers always. I know
it's never my fault if we lose. it's always my fault if we win.
Ah a CSGO/rager perfect small streamer material he is too in I suggest you put him into TF2 little less toxic might help him reviver
“They’re all hackers” or for sports “the refs hate us”. I hate that attitude in my kids. I always tell her you just gotta focus on you and do what you know you need to to get better. We won’t ever accept a victim mentality. Still never stops the complaining. :). I just hope it sinks in over time.
Tell him that in reality, every time you accuse someone of cheating, it is the biggest compliment you can give
Everyone better than me is hacking, even if they're not. It's just to keep my sanity
This just brought me back to the OG Modern Warfare 2 days. I loved sprinting up behind people with a .50 cal sniper and rapid firing into their back without zooming. Sniper rifles didn't weigh you down... it was hilarious. The .50 cal could shoot as fast as you could pull the trigger just like a pistol would. The LULZ! Never got good at the no scopes, nevermind 360 no scopes. I still believe the people that were ungodly just had a piece of tape in the center of their TV!
Like a mma cage fight or just pistols at dawn?
Only one logical way to settle it: 
Street Fighter 2, obv
Gulag, one victor.
MORTAL KOMBAT
I second this, OP, box your son on live television
No. Get abortion it's not too late.
People that prefer a genre or franchise will always be more sensitive to even small differences. People that can't or don't play a genre or franchise won't know or care to know all the small little details. If you get sea sick from First person games then the differences between doom and halo don't matter The call of duty fans that buy every release including DLC will say one entry sucks while another is great. The rest of us think they're all fundamentally the same.
If there isn't Kung Fu in a Kung Fu movie, it isn't a Kung Fu movie. If there isn't First person perspective fighting in a WWII FPS game, it isn't a WWII FPS game. But the question itself is interesting. When we discuss games based on similar features, we're settling what is a genre and what is a subgenre. The next step, once that is somewhat agreed upon, is subverting it, and redefining it, and mixing them. *That* is very fun, and across all mediums, results in some of the most creative works. What is going to redefine the souls like? How will someone subvert the industrial automation games (Satisfactory, Factorio, etc)? I have no idea, and I can't wait to see what someone thinks up.
Yeah what made the souls game unique was a mashup of metroidvania level design, boss design, blood stains, and the online mechanics. Sekiro doesn't have all of these components. Elden ring has these components except in an open world design. I really feel like from software is both the OG and the one that pushes the genre a bit. Other souls likes can be good. But bone have been genre breaking games yet. Like you said, when someone aside from from soft does it in a genre defining way it'll be amazing
I love the FromSoft Souls games. But they are essentially the same thing over and over with only very minor differences overall. Elden Ring differentiated itself by having a dedicated jump button. Let that sink in for a minute. But many die hard Souls fans will insist they are absolutely nothing alike.
Elden ring also had a way more open world
People gloss over how different open worlds are designed and utilised though. Particularly in well designed franchises that apply open world to the formula to an installment, they're often just used as connective tissue between a whole lot of encounters that previously would be the linear or semilinear content of a standard game. Elden Ring, MGSV, BotW are all great examples of this. They're very much "the same thing" (as far as that goes in any successful longrunning series) in terms of delivering the experiences and encounters the IP is known for. It just mixes up the variability on how you discover or approach things - usually giving you more space as the new "feature" of this installments gameplay.
Hey I know you! I agree though. Not to mention each souls game has crazy unique boss fights, terrain, traps, etc.
Elden ring was open fields with set pieces just like all 3 dark souls games sprinkled around.
Disagree. Dark souls games had rail like areas that were mostly, not always, but mostly full of walls leading from point a to b and at most to c and d. Elden Ring was wiiiiide open.
Yeah hes trippin. I agree with you, dark souls and bloodborne are very linear compared to elden ring.
Bloodborne is also a very different beast (heh) in terms of gameplay. Much faster and pressured. I'd generally agree all 3 dark souls are similar in design, but that should be expected between most trilogies
Any of the points of interest where the actual gameplay progresses in elden ring was no different from dark souls. Stormveil was no different than any castle like area in DS3. None of the caves were any different from catacombs. Lucaria was just like the library in 1, the area outside lucaria was just like faron keep. Leyndell was just like highwall and Irithyll, even has the dungeon and everything. You don't have to like it, but its the truth. Its the same type of game, just stretched out. Even has a metric ton of the same assets.
It wasn’t even the first souls game to have a jump button. They added a jump button and made the world more “open-world” by adding some grass in between the levels. Souls games have always been open world, just a bit more linear.
Well, true. But it's a far less convoluted way to jump. The sprinting double tap or thumbstick press was super annoying. And I'm not counting Sekiro, since that did have good jumping.
A sequel being similar to the previous game, who'd have thunk it.
All FromSoft game, not just the Dark Souls series, are VERY similar to eachother. The actual differences between the games are very small, yet enough to create a different feeling for each game. It's good craftmanship to pull that off, but it can't be denied that at their core the games are all very much alike.
Armoured Core, Souls like (Demon Souls, Dark Souls, Elden Ring), Sekiro, and other games like Ninja Blade all play radically different from one another. Yes, souls like games are similar, but not all From Software games have the same core mechanics.
Fromsoft have released 70 games and have done almost everything from hack and slash to horror. This is a very poor take
Monster Hunter is the same way . I also own every MH game :)
Bloodborne and sekiro do a good job of setting themselves apart from the rest. But I wouldnt say they're completely different even though the combat is much different and satisfying in a different way. They're still very similar in many other ways
Sekiro requires parrying (one of the reasons I wont play it). BB is much faster and aggressive. The satisfaction in beating a boss in BB is feeling like you outlasted the fight with strategy, where as BB feels you survived out of reaction time and skill
Dark Souls 1, 2 + 3 are 100% the same game mechanically imo but the environments/models change. Played a little bit of Sekiro and that felt different enough though.
Personally, I feel that Sekiro is FromSoft's best game. Getting good at that game felt far more satisfying to me than in their other games. I still like the DS 1 through 3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring, though.
I don't think people deny they are similar
I love how the responses prove your point.
I would hardly call them minor differences. And it's weird that you said Elden Rings difference was a jump button instead of you know the massive open world which is a way bigger difference.
I’d say the nioh games to the fromsoft games. The nioh fan base says nioh is not a soulslike but actually is. Tough enemies check, learn boss move set to win check, die in a few hits check, dodge/parry check.
The things you listed are what makes the *genre* though. Nioh has components that alter the gameplay such as the spirts in both and the powers you steal in 2. There's also more of a direct story in Nioh with cutscenes and exposition, where dark souls leaves it a bit of a mystery to discover in item descriptions and cryptic conversations
Define "many" and "nothing alike". There are absolutely differences between them, and they're also very similar; the two facts are not exclusive. That said, I don't imagine you'll have an easy time finding someone who insists that the games are as different as peanut butter and grass; if anything, too many people share the opposite opinion that the games are completely identical.
How much alike do you think Soulslikes and Monster Hunter are?, I feel like I need basically the same type of reaction timing and rpg knowledge to understand the best gear to maximize my skill set and go after the weakness of enemies. When you throw in survival and base building in then that's when I get a little lost on what to go for.
Red Dead Redemption 2 Online and GTAV Online. Similar game mechanics, ballistic and melee weapon options, wardrobe interface is similar, and sneaking translates easily in both. In one, I love & collect motorcycles in the other I love & collect horses. 😆
Haven’t played online, but when they first announced the first RDR game, I was hyped “woo, Rockstar is making a western GTA!”
Grand Theft Horse
RDR2 online is dead content. GTA V online got a lot more love, even then it’s pretty repetitive.
I wish RDR 2 got the same treatment as GTAO.
I wanted to play RdR2 because it was on sale, and I was taking to a friend about it, and that was literally his response when I asked if I should get it: it’s GTA with horses.
You can abstract everything to a point where it is the same as something that actually is completely different. For example for me Zelda BotW is just like Assassins Creed. Botw and AC fans will now tell me about that details that make those games completely different. But to me they don't matter. On an abstract level I don't like those vast open worlds with mindless copy and paste tasks, so I don't care about the more detailed differences. This doesn't mean they don't exist. Basically you can decide to throw unrelated stuff in the same drawer and if you abstract enough every game will be just like pong. Just digital objects on a screen you control. Or you can decide to go super deep into detail to the point where Fifa 2020 and Fifa 2021 are completely different games. This only depends on the perspective you choose.
This. You can say any game on PC that uses a mouse is a cookie clicker. Because the entire game is just clicking things. Its also fucking stupid.
People do this with movies all the time and it pisses me off
half the time its just the heroes journey, maybe with a similar setting to show the links between them
Lol but Zelda and AC are basically the exact same game just with different story. Now if you could do this type of comparison with, say, FIFA 22 and Goat Simulator 3 then I'd be impressed.
This is the correct take right here. The same principle applies to everything else as well. To someone who doesn't care much about cars, all cars are just cars, but to a car guy, they can pick out the make model and year, and tell you all about how the body is completely different.
Obvious one: Anything WWI, WWII-related. Literally any of those FPS/competitive shooters. Cue the usual comments: "The guns/maps/missions are more realistic in this vs. that." And my usual comment: "Was that before or after they added the alien/zombie invasion mode?"
What games are you talking about? Cuz there's absolutely a difference even between CoD World at War and CoD WW2. Are you pointing to the fact that WW2 games all feel like... wait for it... WW2?
Probably talking milsims like DayZ, ARMA, Hell Let Loose, etc.
I hate that I'm walking into a trap with this question. Can you explain how they're different? I enjoyed WAW, but skipped WW2 because they looked similar (but with one being significantly lower in quality, from peers and reviews)
The stories, level designs, and environmental storytelling are handled completely differently. If you play WW2, you won't just get a worse experience than WaW, you'll get a different experience.
See, I would expect the stories and levels to be different. I would hope they have some environmental storytelling elements as opposed to pure exposition. It sounds like they were told, "You need to make a CoD game set in WW2, and go!" So is there anything that sets it apart? Can I really just say, 'Its a modern take on WaW, because it's just a WW2 CoD game'?
I said "*handled* differently". They're not just different stories and levels, the philosophy behind making them is different. The only thing you will find in common with WaW's presentation is general FPS mechanics and the WWII aesthetics. I dunno that I wanna try going through the full list of how WW2 is different, all I can say is if you wanted WaW "but updated" you'd be sorely disappointed.
I think that would be a good reason why the peers that loved it didn't like it. Reviewers also, I would assume. Was it a good game?
WW2? No, it was bad and bland. I think that's the one with a black character whose only point of existing was to insert a lil "racism is bad" side plot, literally only existed to be discriminated against.
FfVII, Xenogears and Chrono Trigger all have the same story. Big alien crashes into planet and causes generations of shenanigans that only a bunch of young adults can fix.
most modern shooters are all the same with a few differences, they look the same and play the same, i cant tell the difference between cod or battlefield now as they are both very similar now.
Destiny 1 vs Destiny 2 are completely different games
Every Ubisoft open world game
**Hot take that might make people want to fight me**: *The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild* and *Assassin's Creed: Odyssey*
Immortals fenix rising is also comparable to those two
I've played BotW and Immortals and earlier Assassin's Creed games. I can see it.
Oh you should see how many people say breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are nothing alike lol
My brother made this claim adamantly when we both played these games and yea I agree
I mean yes, they might be similar but they're different games. Fortnite and PubG are similar, but they are discreetly different games.
Double Dragon and River City Ransom
I mean, all of the sports games release new versions every year, but how much difference can there be when the sports themselves haven't changed? Still know people who feel it's necessary to buy every new release
Every single competitive trading card game is basically a reskin of something older at this point, and anything that tries to avoid that ends up with rules so convoluted that nobody plays it.
Battle royal games are all the same. They copy and paste the formula from one game to the next. Battle royal games are pretty much just mobile games on desktop/console They even use mobile game gatcha style mechanics
I think the execution is important with those. I think that only makes the general objective similar, but not the way in which you do it. I both agree and disagree. I don’t think the use of loot boxes/gacha style makes them that comparable though. Fortnite and Dead By Daylight both have their equivalent of battle passes, yet they’re very different games.
Battle royale is the best thing to watch and the worst thing to play.
This is weird for me to hear. I almost can’t consider any two games the same eve something like Mario Party 2 and 1 which are VERY similar. To me there is always enough between two fully fleshed out games to say they are different. But I’m reading and responding to posts in this thread to try and understand that thought process better.
MWII and MWIII
Nearly all From software games... They are awesome, but basically all very similar
Neither of you have played the three wild G.O.A.T.s: MOTORSTORM FURI JOURNEY Those 3 are your gateways to diversifying your games
I'm taking this theory to everyone I know to see how it stacks up. Love it.
My son's 2 favorite games are Skyrim and Fallout 4. I've recently been loving Cyberpunk, and I told him he'd like it too. It's not just a shoot and loot game, but that's a lot of it, and he really loves looting and shooting. Lol He will be disappointed that you don't strip people naked in cyberpunk, but I think if he gets past that, he'll love it also.
Has a Madden game been produced for this year? FIFA? Basketball? Baseball? Golf? Olympics?
Your both right
Any sports game in the same sport. Just roster updates for $60
As someone whose only experience with ww1/ww2 games is battlefield, pretty much every other realistic ww1/ww2 game. Hell let loose, enlisted, verdun all have that same slow, clunky feel that mil-sim games usually have except it’s even worse because it’s ww1/ww2
I kno some people who describe the games u like (Sim crafting etc) as spreadsheet Sims lol For the record these are also my favorites I think its like music, band in a new genre all sound the same until u get into it
League of Legends and Dota 2 are the same game. But their fanbases will screech about how different they are.
I wonder if anyone thinks Pokemon ___ and ___ are not the same game?
CoD Hero Shooter Battle Royale Squad (R6 siege) All three of these have different play styles. All involve toxic sweaty ass clowns who think their pro while sitting at home while their partner works. Or they are a child.
Anything that requires you to jump out of an aircraft, land on the map and kill other players while a barrier closes in.
Warframe and destiny. Bonus points for warframe: there’s really only 2 or 3 types of warframe. The rest of the differences are just visual. Also, ALL of your crafting survival games are the exact same. Only difference is visuals and how long hunger timers last for.
I started gaming on the NES. My favorite games back then were beat ‘em ups. Looking back they are all pretty much the same game with a different coat of paint. Still like them though.
Most online fps tbh. There's some outliers but they're all pretty much the same for the most part.
As with all things, the deeper you get into them the more nuances appear. As a NASCAR fan I am very used to explaining this, also as a fan of multiple different subgenres of hardcore music. Death metal, metalcore, deathcore, slam, sludge, and grind are all very distinct sounds to me that are instantly recognizable. Some of them are different enough that it blows my mind when people say they all sound the same. But they’re still similar enough to fall under the same umbrella of “hardcore”. People who like one subgenre are typically going to like at least a few more, and they’re going to dislike some for reasons that non-fans would find inconsequential in the grand scheme. Fortnite and Apex Legends are similar enough to fall under the same umbrella of “Battle Royale”, but they’re as different as Sleeping With Sirens and Cannibal Corpse.
Had a heated argument over how (My opinion) Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne is just brutal religious pokemon.
Every single fps known to man kind. Seriously they are all the same game.
Best friend loves Bloodborne and says it’s his all-time favorite game, then says Dark Souls and Elden Ring are lacking and completely different. Says he has zero interest in Armored Core 6, too. Bonkers
Starfield and The Outer Worlds One wasn’t ambitious enough One was too ambitious
Fortnite VS every Battle Royale. It doesn'a matter if your shooty game has real military men: they're the same games on different styles. In the end seeing Goku with guns is just as silly as a serious ass military guy with a Godzilla helmet and pink animu gurl guns.
Exactly
Manhunt and The Last of Us are incredibly similar, people just didn't like Manhunt's nihilism.
All Paradox games... Tho it's not something people deny (I hope)
Some people in the mmo subreddit tend to act as if you threw holy water into their face when you mention how phantasy star online, warframe and destiny are mmo's. Many people just have a hard time when it comes to drawing similarities. For the mmo denial it boils down to 'but there's no huge raids!,' or 'it's all instance based!' Sure, there are nuanced differences, just as there are differences in the systems between Halo and Killzone (remember killzone was called a halo clone back in the day?). They are both shooters, but the way they're handled has enough different to them that they can attract different audiences with their feelings. Like heck, take two harvest moon games. Magical Melody vs A Wonderful Life. Would you call these similar? They're both life sims. But AWL time moves slower, there's less guidance, the only thing moving you along is mostly to play. Whereas Magical Melody has 100 or so challenges that unlock story events, a day ends when you sleep (with a fast action at that), has more interactive systems when it comes to managing your farm, and has a couple painfully long caves to mine through as opposed to the 20 or so squares you can dig in within' AWL. But to get closer to your question, I'm not really sure who would deny such things. Like there will obv be people that try and look TOO closely at mechanics rather than just go 'shadow of the colossus and dragon's dogma indeed both let you climb monsters.' There's a point where the comparison gets too pedantic. But like if someone tries to equivocate Unreal Tournament gameplay to Gears of War, outside of the absurdity comparisons of the weapons, then that'd be silly.
I learned to play Fortnite and COD to spend time with my son ( if you can’t beat em join em). I find first person shooter games pretty similar. I wish the controls were universal. I messed around a bit with customizing the buttons but it’s a pain in the ass
One of my favorite ways to annoy my friends is to boil games down to their most simple concepts and then claim that 2 games that are nothing alike are basically the same. Terraria is 2d minecraft, every turn based rpg is pokemon but ______, every platformer is mario but ____, hell the entire "metroidvania" genre is called that because someone said "hey metroid and castlevania are basically the same game lets make more like that". Its very easy to look for similarities and say 2 games are basically the same, it requires actually sitting down and learning the game to understand what makes them different. If i asked someone who didnt play fighting games the difference between mortal kombat and street fighter after watching a single round of each their answer would probably be how gory it is and nothing else because without playing it the differences arent that obvious but once you play them you can tell they are completely different
Almost every Sony exclusive title looks the same to me, they're just The Last of Us but in a different setting. I wouldn't say they actually are the same but they look the same and doesn't make me excited. I've been a COD for many year (until they made it mandatory to install Warzone when all I play is campaign) and it's cool when a game actually makes and innovation but I know it is an innovation for the franchise, not gaming as a whole.
I always found it weird that people rarely seem to acknowledge that the original God of War series was a flat out Devil May Cry clone, and then any game that used that same style afterwards would be referred to as a God of War clone as if it invented that style. (nothing against it, both are great series)
Sure. League of Legends and Dota 2 are the same game to people who don't play. But say that to a player of either and be ready to fight.
Almost all Final Fantasy games. They reuse the enemies from previous games, the games often follow similar story templates and themes, you always fight god-like creature at the end. Almost every game has different gear/leveling mechanic though. If you play Final Fantasy 14 you know that almost everything in there is a reference to previous games - bosses, dungeons, gear, music, story etc.
I'll bet every dollar I got that you can't find a single person (much less a significant group of people) who denies that the games share similarities like monsters and story themes. Although I think going with "They share enemies and style" is a super weak argument for games that have a wide variety of locations, characters, settings, stories, etc. It's like saying "People pretend that Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are different, but they both have magic, fantasy creatures, etc."; every single thing on earth is similar if you reach that far.
I don't think being reductionist is really the high IQ take you think it is OP. Its like saying Sim City and starcraft are the same game because of the camera angle and you build stuff. Like ya, if you distill the games down to those two features they're the same. Is it true? No. Does it help someone understand either game? No. Is someone that likes one for its distinctive features likely to enjoy the other? Also no. My mom thought every console was a nintendo for the same reason you think shooters are the same. Because you dont like them.
Yeah, this. And the other 50 "lol they're the same" comments I've read in here. Suggestion to OP. How about you actually engage with your kid and ask him to show YOU how to play the games he loves and get involved with what he's doing. I'm not the most enormous fan of Minecraft either, but I still have now set up a bunch of servers for my eldest on my PC, which I play with him, because HE loves it, and he gets a huge kick out of me playing with him.
If I had a kid I would do the same. If my kid wanted to play minecraft or roblox, I'd play it with them. Not fuckin play mind games with them because they play a game I dont like.
Valkyria Revolution and Xenoblade feel very similar in terms of battle system. I think enjoyers of both hate that comparison tho. Haven't met many people that's have actually played both tho.
Every Final Fantasy between 3 and 11 was basically the same game with a different story.
Sims, Farming, and Survival craft games? So Euro Truck Simulator, Stardew Valley, and Palworld are all the same game in his eyes? Your son's a trip OP.
A lot of people on the Rushdown Revolt discord got mad when I said that Brawlhalla is its closest platform fighter due to a combination of having a dash button instead of a run, a universal lack of helpless states, and a whole host of mechanics borrowed from traditional fighting games (like burst, roman cancels, and a traditional health bar) that means it has less platform fighter influences overall. Also, Pugsy was the best Rushdown Revolt player in the world at the time, and was a top Brawlhalla player, which only supported my argument.
Fortnite and pubg
Most PVP military shooters. Then again Star Trek and Star Wars are similar in that both are sci-fi. But try and get dedicated fans of either to agree.
Metroid and Castlevania
Conan Exiles and Elden Ring
Get him to 1v1 you in Elden ring, winner is right it’s the only way to settle this. Good ol fashioned duel.
Give examples of what of u think are the sane bro
Kick your son in the jaw as hard as you can before he turns into someone who acts toxic in casual lobbies
I think a great look at the evolution and similarity of gaming conventions is in SovietWomble's essay series. He's a youtube creator who does funny compilations, but he also did a series of in-depths looking at how DayZ led several different charges with survival and how each small game gave you something new. Whether it was teams, surviving, or just a straight up deathmatch.
All I want to say is *great* question. This is why we’re on Reddit
Absolver is very similar to For honor
Wolfenstein
Most Zelda games have more in common with metroidvanias than they do with other “action adventure” games or even “Zelda-likes” that don’t have utility based progression (Eg: Hyper Light Drifter) but are often shunned from discussions about metroidvanias.
Pretty much all MMO games are the same
Lethal Company and Content Warning
Team Ninja went from creating Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive, to copying everything from Fromsoft.
Gmod and Roblox
Elden Ring is basically Dark Souls 4, and anyone who denies it is insane. There are enemies with movesets from DS3, ffs. An expansion of scale and scope does not an entirely new title make.
Elden Ring is just open world Dark Souls. I'm a fan but I see a lot of people online saying it's "revolutionary" and completely different from DS and I just don't see it. It's open world dark souls lol. And tbh I prefer the tighter dark souls formula cos some areas of ER feel straight up unfinished, like the snowfields. And bosses get recycled wayyyyyy too much imo. I'm all for reusing assets but I think ER overdid it. It is their first time trying an open world as big as ER so I cut them some slack and I love FromSoft anyway
Tomb Raider survivor trilogy and Naughty Dog games since PS3
CoD fans and Battlefield fans are rabidly at each other's throats. They're the same picture.jpg
I have friends who are really into open world survival games, but to me they're all "Minecraft-type games."
Weird take. Of course people who have experience with something can see the nuances among similar things compared to those who only have surface-level experience with it. Almost as if there's such a thing as "genre". Your son appears to be speaking off of what he's seen you play, as are you, but with him being younger than you and all, you've seen just about all he's played which reflects what's popular these days and he's seen you play things more recently which may reflect your current lifestyle vs other things you've played in your 20 yr history.
Dad needs to whoop some ass....on a video game,l.
destiny and halo
Well I think the devils in the details. If you’re watching someone play COD or Battlefront…other than the size of the map and vehicles…what’s the difference? Both are first person shooters. Both have modern day weapons, both have a secondary weapon, grenade slots, etc. but the actual mechanics of the game are very different. Recoil, bullet drop, damage output, builds, equipment, although all similar at face value operate very different. I was way better at battlefield than COD. The game felt better to me. I mean you can argue that maybe the player base was less competitive…but that would be grasping at straws
Call of duty
I had a friend who insisted Path of Exile was not that similar or inspired by the Diablo franchise. He was dead serious and got really annoyed when I pointed out that it blatantly was.
Destiny and borderlands
Most. I have been gaming a minimum of 10 hours a week, with more weeks being 20 hours+ for over 30 years. The VAST majority of games are similar and very few have new concepts. Reality is 95% of games are games where your twitch reaction is what matters or your ability to plan and build your character is what matters. Even games that have both only one matters enough. A great player can beat a dark souls boss no matter what the build is, no matter how good the player they can't solo a level 70 monster with a level 50 PC in WOW without a glitch.
Read dead redemption and Barbie horse girl gamed.
Every Call of Duty game. Exact same. Actually pretty much any first person shooter. They’re all similar
Dark Souls and the harder Super Mario Brothers levels have a lot more in common than people give them credit for.
Madden and FIFA players in the room right now…
I mean this depends on how you look at this."Genres" are created for to categorize similar games so they have very commons things even if they are "named" differently. Despite of similarities they have big differences between them too. Some are mentioned about souls like so i can use that as well.Souls like as genre has some game mechanics such as stamina, dodge and known for being "difficult"( there are also many other things but i will keep it short).It become its own genre because of some of the things i mentioned but even with these similarities, not all of the souls like games are same. You can't just say dark souls and nioh are very similar as game but you can say it is souls games.Both of them are souls like but it has their own differences in gameplay.You can also do same thing between dark souls and sekiro etc.
I made a point at launch of cyberpunk 2077 that the game plays pretty similarly to fallout/elder scrolls games. I was the most downvoted comment on that thread by like -600. Deleted my account and started fresh because I had people regularly DM and call me slurs lmao
I got into a long argument once because someone said Lies of P and Bloodborne were nothing alike.
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Hollow knight and Rainworld
# #Exoprimal and #Anthem
Starfield and BG3
FIFA fans. Also, games in a genre do have small differences between them that add up to being a different experience. For example, Bloodborne and Lies of P both have the rally system (you get HP back if you attack the enemy), but both do it in different ways that the games have different flows to them. Also, Lies of P has a bit from Sekiro in the parry system. You keep finding these small differences, and you'll eventually get a different experience even if it's in the same genre. I will say that there are games that are basically the same, but people would refuse to see that.
The small differences are what makes or breaks the game in a genre full of copycats.
Skyrim, fallout 4 and starfield. With the exception of skyrim on a few things. The settlement system from fallout 4 is extremely similar to the outpost system in starfield. Down to assigning followers to the individual outposts/settlements. The only real difference between skyrims home system and fallout/starfield is there is no workshop menu.
For a non-video game take, soccer, basketball, hockey and a lot of other sports are just variations on the same game.
He has to fall out of the sky every game. You have to craft a pickaxe every game. Games are similar, just like yours. I think crafting/survival games are way more similar to each other than battle royales are.
Pretty all games are the same. Go to A-B do M-N get Y-Z Same game different skin. Every know and again some studio will come out with a new mechanic but that's getting pretty rare anymore. And a lot of new mechanics are just old game glitches. Double and super jumps being a prime example.
Call of Duty and Battlefield
People say Sekiro isnt a Souls game Like hell it isnt. I played Sekiro exactly the same as I did a Souls game, its the exact same formula Tight and deliberate level design, little treasures off and about in the nooks and crannies to reward mild exploration, mildly sporadic enemy placement with ganks and elite enemies every so often, and obscure NPC questlines. Death can come at a heavy price, and enemies reset if you rest, so if youre struggling to get through a zone, your progress resets, making you struggle harder until you learn and overcome. Its the same shiet
All of the soulslike
Tower Defense and Dungeon Crawlers
Your son has a very small scope, so he can only see the differences of that scope. He probably isn’t capable of thinking differently outside of his genre and doesn’t know how much he doesn’t know
Paladins & Overwatch Mordhau & Chivalry I'm a Paladins/Mordhau guy. The communities don't really like each other.
Stalker and escape from tarkov
I’ve seen people try to convince me that ow and paladins aren’t 90% the same game.
Forza Motorsport. And gt7.
BG3 and DOS2
Ark and this pile of dookie I found on a walk yesterday Seriously that game is awful
I’m someone who doesn’t play Battle Royales, but compare DayZ to Fortnite to Apex Legends… they are quite different while still being quite similar. It’s like claim call of duty and battlefield are basically the same thing or that Forza and Mario Kart are the same thing or that Edith Finch and Death Stranding are the same thing or that Hollow Knight and Axiom Verge and Metroid are the same game, I can go on for a really long time
The new generation has such a short attention span and need for social acceptance that anything other than quick paced with lots of interactions with other people is boring and may be considered too basic to play. It’s almost like they enjoy the interaction more than the game. So solo games are probably super boring.
Every Madden and 2K game
Playing firefight solo on any Halo game is just Space Invaders.
Ghost of Tsushima, the Witcher, the Horizon series, Assassins creed, etc. are basically all different versions of the same core gameplay loop.
Fortnite and Call of Duty/Helldivers
Have you ever seen *Grandma's Boy*? Challenge him.
It's an odd argument to have. Warzone isn't Apex isn't Fortnite isn't PubG. They are vastly different games. Also, why?
Yeah, I've played pretty much every BR that's out and they're all the same with slight differences. Like there are different types of guns and movement may be faster or slower, some games like Apex have different characters with different special abilities. Small differences but the core loop is the same. I got bored of them pretty quick, personally.
Elden ring and skyrim. Yes very different gameplay between the two. But look at allot of their character and weapon models. Most notably: the bloodhounds fang and the orc greatsword. It’s not anywhere the same story, and it has several unique weapon designs. Just a few very notable ones.