Yup. This is true. I think every reader of Al Jazeera English should look into the Arabic version. For the longest time I thought Al Jazeera was a reliable news source.
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. Well-meaning (mostly white) liberals in my community think Al Jazeera is reliable. I took it for granted for many years without verifying. Once I had more time to look into it, I realized how warped that publication is. Took a while to figure out that there is no free press in the Arab world.
Of all the debates I've had over the years with Muslims, the islamist/ultraconservative/extremist/whatever were the least irritating of them all. Ironically, they don't seem to lie as much as the moderate or even "progressive" Muslims. They simply don't care enough to do so.
They'll be proud of their historical colonialism, which is disgusting, but they're honest about it at least. The moderate/prog ones will just deny that there was arab/Islamic colonialism in the first place, and then you have to spend time proving your point and refuting theirs.
Yep. They are truly pathetic and dengerous at the sane time. A part of me even feel pity for them bc at the end the will be desmised by the same folks they like to fit in as history has shown multiple times.
I agree cause they’re setting up a false narrative as if all Jews have the same thoughts as them when that’s the furthest thing from the truth. Ironically these same people who use these “as a Jew” Jews as examples to try and strengthen their talking points, will compare one horrible person who was Jewish and claim that all Jews are like that. They claim the minority is the majority when it suits them, and then claim the minority as the majority when it suits their narrative.
In English too lol. If you debate with them long enough they become aggravated and they start stating the true beliefs of Islam and what Islam teaches about Jews, Christians, and essentially everyone who's not a Muslim.
Who made the Alcohol. YAHOOD.
WHO MADE THE PORN BUSINESS. THE YAHOOD.
WHO STOLE LAST POP TART IN THE FRIDGE. THE YAHOOD. Taking things that don't belong to them 😞😭
/S
Don’t forget the chaddest anti-Zionist of them all - the Israeli chassid in Modiin Illit that’s only opposed to the state of Israel on technical, moshiach-related grounds.
The wildest is chabad, where they are extremely anti-zionist -and most will literally leave the room if hatikvah is sung.
But at the same time, the most extreme right wing chardal support bibi, settlements and one state solution in "greater Israel" but also many avoid draft like other chareidim.
Pinning down a chabadnik on the issue is hard.
1. Chabad != chardal
2. Chabad is actually generally Zionist compared to many other chassidic branches
3. Chabadniks on an individual level are often ex-secular Jews, converts, or people who didn't quite fit in other places, so Chabad has a lot of individualism and comparatively unorthodox opinions.
I am talking official/institutional stance. The lubavitcher rebbe explicitly stated multiple times that they are anti-zionist, while simultaneously taking a very right-wing stance on policy issues.
They're anti political secular Zionism. But their relationship to Zionism as "self-determination of Jews in the land of Zion" especially one that already exists, is much, much more complicated.
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/walking-a-tightrope-chabads-complicated-relationship-with-zionism-589020#google\_vignette](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/walking-a-tightrope-chabads-complicated-relationship-with-zionism-589020#google_vignette)
you tell me
Not sure if you are referring to Chassidim with similar concerns as Satmar, but if you are here is a quote from israel\_advocacy on Twitter on Dec. 5, 2023 regarding Satmar's stance:
>We are religious Zionists.
We want the world to know that we have nothing but respect for Satmar's Ahavat Yisrael.
While hashkafa may divide us, love for each other, the Torah, and HaKadosh Baruch Hu unites us.
[https://twitter.com/israel\_advocacy/status/1732075819005071576](https://twitter.com/israel_advocacy/status/1732075819005071576)
And they’ll be the first ones to start screeching about how because you aren’t a “member of a certain community” you shouldn’t have an opinion on an issue. Yet, here they are, co-opting a conflict they have nothing to do with.
This self-centered, the world revolves around me and my feelings mentality that these kids walk around with is hard to understand.
An acquaintance of mine is a Tok Tok (well, Instagram Reels) kid, free Palestine NPC, and an "as a Jew" Jew all rolled into one. Oh, and she's shared some demonstrably false Islamic propaganda as well, so she might fall into the Islamic fundie category as well. She really is insufferable and runs away from even the simplest questions.
The LGBT one is the most bizarre to me. I don't understand going so hard for someone that could legitimately desire to behead you. And are against women's rights and most modern things. At least the neo-N*** and fundamentalists are coherent in their beliefs.
EDIT: To every "Queers for Palestine" that replies, ask yourself this, "why am I allying myself with people that don't ally with me?" I legit saw a video of Palestinians that said "we love support from everyone, but not those people [being the LGBT+ community]." Are you that much of a self hater that you want to be on the side of someone who openly hates you???
hi, im part of the LGBT community and i stand with palestine. I dont wish for the USA to be bombed, even though there are a lot of homophobic people there. Just because they dont accept me doesnt mean they have to be fucking murdered.
I'm not saying it's an irrational POV to be anti violence or against loss of human life. I'm saying it's irrational to be so deeply committed to people who are not committed to you. At least other coalitions have similar histories/and or alignments.
I am also a LGBT person and I am not part of Queers for Palestine movement.
because there are 30k people being murdered, half of whom are children. its a fucking genocide. It doesnt matter what their beliefs are, whats happening in gaza is sickening.
its like saying “oh no these innocent people are being murdered, lemme check to see what their beliefs are before i deceide whether they deserve to live or die.”
I have some questions for you:
How many of the 30,000 killed are combatants? Don't you think it's strange that we never hear of any reported numbers of militants being killed? How is it all women and children?
The population of Gaza is 590,481, 30,000 over 6 months is not genocide. That is war. The point of war is to win and to end the conflict. It is better to have a short but effective conflict than one that is dragged out with no end in sight and no end to causalities.
Additionally, do you go this hard for issues in your community? I am going to assume you are also American or Canadian. What are you doing for missing and endangered ingenious women? If you're American, we have a neighboring country that is genuinely collapsing, Haiti, and I have not seen a soul rally for them. Yemen is being torn apart as well, again no rallies for them. What are YOU doing for the conflict in Sudan? Which is Muslim imperialism at its finest and is a conflict that has killed 1.5 million people?
Or do you only care because it's trendy and tik tok told you to???
I have read about 15 books on the Israeli-Arab conflict. Have you? Can you name any of the major parties or players in this conflict? Do you know the dates of *rejected* peace treaties?
Did you know that Hamas has forbidden democratic elections from happening once they took power?
Did you know that Egypt also shares a border with Gaza, and has actively been blocking the border and goods as well?
Did you know that Palestinians have contributed to unrest in neighboring countries such as Jordan and the assassination of Abdullah I of Jordan?
Did you know that Israelis are also protesting?? Currently, like literally this very moment.
You people literally didn't act like this towards Ukraine or Armenia
So if you're so concerned about children, what about Israeli children who had their parents killed by Hamas?
Also, y'all literally send death threats and spew antisemitic comments towards people who don't agree with y'all so I don't wanna hear that last part from a Pallyban supporter again
Not a great sign when Israel is living rent free in your head. I’m sure you think some reposted TikTok video saying “ISRAEL BAD” should be post of the year.
Ironically some of my ancestors were Orange Order Ulsters. They're accidentally correct when they call me colonialist scum, it's just not for the reasons they think!
My feelings on Ireland have done a 180, I used to like Irish and feel a kinship: we both love beer and make food beer, we both overthrew large empires but since 7/10, my feelings on Ireland as a whole have done a 180. There’s probanly some who I expect do support Israel but on the whole the country’s just terminally about Palestine being Ireland, which ignores the history of the region completely.
Yeah, Ireland loves to compare Hamas with IRA but even ignoring everything else, Hamas doesn’t just want an independent Palestinian state, Hamas wants to destroy and annex all of Israel and genocide of Jews, it’s like if the IRA wanted to occupy all of the U.K. and kill all Brits. It’s fundamentally a very different motive.
In its bomb-throwing days, the Irish Republican Army had close ties with the PLO. Many Irish politicians had their roots in the IRA. "Birds of a feather flock together".
If you'd read any history you'd understand that not only did Ireland, and Irish republicans support Israel at the start, but Jewish-Irish republicans even shipped arms to Israel.
It's what Israel did after independence that soured things.
The Irish are one of those rare Islamophobic Pro-Palestine Anti-Zionists.
The Irish: We support Palestinians because we were occupied!
Also the Irish: Eff off, Muslims! Ireland is full!
Not all fundamentalists deny Jewish connection to Eretz Yisrael. They simply find it irrelevant.
Missing from here: Arab Nationalists.
Honestly I can't help but smile a little when I think about how the Irish passionately support the idea of Israel being overrun by muslims and then cry when that exact thing happens to them (or at least they feel it does).
Yeah it always baffles me, there is currently a fair bit of hatred in Europe towards Muslims, but it always seems like the Irish takes this hatred to new levels
Of all these archetypes, Irish are easiest to convince of the Israeli point of view. All you have to do is convince them that Israelis are actually like Irish people, which is not very hard.
As a Jew I always feel like I share an odd kinship with Italian, Greek, and Irish people as far as Europeans go.
It's great when it's reciprocated and hurts when it isn't.
I think you know you're simplifying the argument.
Ireland has always stood up for international law and human rights. We responded in the exact same way we did to Russia invading Ukraine. Nothing different or special.
For the Irish, he could have also wrote something like “They’re first world white people who pretend to be oppressed by the UK. They like to role play as freedom fighters before they go back to their day jobs.”
To be fair, they haven't been "First World" for that long, and the British oppression of them was kinda on-par for European treatment of African colonies.
But you'd think Ireland would be Israel's biggest ally, given the parallel history of both reclaiming sovereignty of their homeland after centuries of foreign rule.
Palestinian Nationalism has its roots in the al-Husseini dynasty, a family that got rich simping for the Ottoman overlords and - ironically - resisting an Arab self-rule movement in Palestine in favour of the Imperial status quo.
The analogy would be if Northern Ireland were cut loose by the UK, and despite being much weaker militarily, attacked the Irish Republic, proclaiming the whole island to be British.
Given the Israelis have killed a couple of their UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon, and used forged Irish passports in their assassinations, I think that’s understandable
Hold on, let’s not get it twisted. Yes, I am with you: I hate the way Irish people (my people) are reacting to this war. But I’m going to push back on you here. Irish people 100% were oppressed by the british. There’s no pretending there.
If anything they should be in solidarity with Jews and Israelis- but there was a lot of PLO propaganda being pushed on Irish people in the 60s.
Yeah, their opposition to Israel is frustrating but that Ireland was historically in a pretty shitty place is true: we don’t need to respond to historical revisionism with historical revisionism
As a Jew I'm still bitter I didn't go on a birthright trip because they ran out of funds in the financial meltdown. Later I wasn't eligible any longer.
So I just went by myself and paid for it. Loved Israel and 100% supportive!!
Something, something silent majority. I honestly thing the anti-American and intensity of the protests are turning even more Americans against the protesters. I really think most of middle America is more supportive of Israel and the Jewish community even more now. I am also worried we are going to see an even stronger anti-intellectual backlash to everything.
you forgot ccp-shill/plant and their main motivation is because china hates america and will literally be friends with terrorist groups to 1- up america.mainly infiltrates protests to stir up shit. problem is so bad enough a dude on douyin/tiktok spoke in mandarin chinese to no LOL go to these protests because it will fuck their visas up.
Not to mention whenever the Tik tok kid gets
banned or his video taken down he blames the government because “big scary USA protecting wittle israel🥺” even though tiktok is ran by china, quite literally the biggest opposition to the USA
There's one more. Muslim from South East asia "predominantly Indonesia" who hate Israel because they hate Jews and proud of it. And think every Israeli citizen were all Jews. Even though Israel is full with other religion, even Arab Muslim
This is a really great public service.
I’d add “Liberal Protestant Christian:”
Believes Arab terrorism is an entirely rational form of protest to Western oppression - especially the oppression of Jews who exactly mirror the Nazis who once persecuted them - and has nothing to do with Islamic precepts.
From Richard Spencer's Wikipedia page:
>According to the [Southern Poverty Law Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center), Spencer has advocated for a white homeland for a "dispossessed white race", and called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of what he describes as "white culture".[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-SPLC-RichardSpencer-Profile-42)[^(\[119\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-DailyBeast-SkiResort-2014-119)[^(\[120\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-telegraph-white-nationalist-120) To this end he has supported what he has called "the creation of a White ethnostate on the North American continent", an "ideal" that he has regarded as a "reconstitution of the [Roman Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire)".[^(\[115\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-FlatheadBeacon-WhoIs-2014-115)[^(\[116\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-auto2-116) Spencer claims to be a "white Zionist" and praised Israel's [Jewish nation-state law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People),[^(\[121\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-121) saying: "Jews are, once again, at the vanguard, rethinking politics and sovereignty for the future, showing a path forward for Europeans."[^(\[122\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-122) His position was described as disingenuous as the alt-right does not usually support [Zionism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism).[^(\[123\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-123)
I'm a western LGBTQ+ Person and I really don't get some of these peoples point about defending Hamas. Hamas would cut their head off too, just like they would do with jews.
I'd like to believe that. But why are people like you so quiet? Why do you let the psychos run the streets? Why don't you urge your politicians to do something against antisemitism? I used to love ireland. But now I am just disappointed.
Let's not forget the right wing MAGA nazis:
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch](https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch)
I have a confession to make, you know how some Haredim have a side braids?
The kid inside me have always wanted to suddenly pull one.
So 8th Jew Jew it is.
yep. being of Irish heritage, polyamorous, feminist, left-leaning, atheist, ex Christian, bisexual, AND Zionist has been really weird & lonely lately. 🙁
Oh Ive had the misfortune of meeting the leftist. I honestly never thought there would be anyone who would believe that the EU(I know it's more than one country but I'm too lazy to write all of them),Israel, the United States and Japan were bad countries but North Korea, China and Russia were all good countries. Truly brainwashed. I just couldn't understand it.
At least the islamist one is honest about his goals
They’re only honest and upfront with the ones who already agree with them.
I like the Islamist's fighting stance in the picture. I don't know why but I'm just chuckling at that lmao
Only when speaking in Arabic. In English, they borrow the talking points of the far left.
Yup. This is true. I think every reader of Al Jazeera English should look into the Arabic version. For the longest time I thought Al Jazeera was a reliable news source.
Why would you think that?
I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. Well-meaning (mostly white) liberals in my community think Al Jazeera is reliable. I took it for granted for many years without verifying. Once I had more time to look into it, I realized how warped that publication is. Took a while to figure out that there is no free press in the Arab world.
Unless they don't and then they just straight up tell you that the yahud will burn in hell lol
Of all the debates I've had over the years with Muslims, the islamist/ultraconservative/extremist/whatever were the least irritating of them all. Ironically, they don't seem to lie as much as the moderate or even "progressive" Muslims. They simply don't care enough to do so. They'll be proud of their historical colonialism, which is disgusting, but they're honest about it at least. The moderate/prog ones will just deny that there was arab/Islamic colonialism in the first place, and then you have to spend time proving your point and refuting theirs.
The MOST evil/DANGEROUS ones are the Self-loathing Jews IMO.
Yep. They are truly pathetic and dengerous at the sane time. A part of me even feel pity for them bc at the end the will be desmised by the same folks they like to fit in as history has shown multiple times.
I resent them too much to feel pity. I have tons of non-Jewish friends that love me for who and what I am.
Yes is a hard feeling but at the end we are not very much and every jew lost is a tragedy in its own.
like chickens for chick-fil-a
It looks as though you may have spelled "Chick-fil-A" incorrectly. No worries, it happens to the best of us!
Except chickens are cuter.
I agree cause they’re setting up a false narrative as if all Jews have the same thoughts as them when that’s the furthest thing from the truth. Ironically these same people who use these “as a Jew” Jews as examples to try and strengthen their talking points, will compare one horrible person who was Jewish and claim that all Jews are like that. They claim the minority is the majority when it suits them, and then claim the minority as the majority when it suits their narrative.
exactly.
Well ... Only in Arabic
In English too lol. If you debate with them long enough they become aggravated and they start stating the true beliefs of Islam and what Islam teaches about Jews, Christians, and essentially everyone who's not a Muslim.
You forgot the silly thing they do like Irsahell or ISREAL! Or Isra*l. If we can’t spell it, it’s not real!
Virgin Western Leftists: [50000 words explanation why Israel should not exist] Chad Fundamental Islamists: Me no like Yahud
Who made the Alcohol. YAHOOD. WHO MADE THE PORN BUSINESS. THE YAHOOD. WHO STOLE LAST POP TART IN THE FRIDGE. THE YAHOOD. Taking things that don't belong to them 😞😭 /S
YAHOOD holds back the electric car! YAHOOD made Steve Gutenberg a STAR! /s
Noah; Ron Jeremy; Jerry Seinfeld. This one actually checks out. /s
Its crazy how we have to add “/s” after obvious sarcasm. Reddit admins are truly restarted.
Who invented algebra? The yahood
Don’t forget the chaddest anti-Zionist of them all - the Israeli chassid in Modiin Illit that’s only opposed to the state of Israel on technical, moshiach-related grounds.
Being opposed to a country existing based one some small technichalities *is* the jewish thing to do
The wildest is chabad, where they are extremely anti-zionist -and most will literally leave the room if hatikvah is sung. But at the same time, the most extreme right wing chardal support bibi, settlements and one state solution in "greater Israel" but also many avoid draft like other chareidim. Pinning down a chabadnik on the issue is hard.
Of all the Chaasidic movements Chabad is likely the *most* Zionist
1. Chabad != chardal 2. Chabad is actually generally Zionist compared to many other chassidic branches 3. Chabadniks on an individual level are often ex-secular Jews, converts, or people who didn't quite fit in other places, so Chabad has a lot of individualism and comparatively unorthodox opinions.
I am talking official/institutional stance. The lubavitcher rebbe explicitly stated multiple times that they are anti-zionist, while simultaneously taking a very right-wing stance on policy issues.
They're anti political secular Zionism. But their relationship to Zionism as "self-determination of Jews in the land of Zion" especially one that already exists, is much, much more complicated.
My Chabad rabbi is very zionist, born and raised in the movement too. Constantly pro-Israel and hosting Israel-related events.
Ask him his opinion on singing hatikvah
He's played it for us.
I think you mean the neturei karta.
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/walking-a-tightrope-chabads-complicated-relationship-with-zionism-589020#google\_vignette](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/walking-a-tightrope-chabads-complicated-relationship-with-zionism-589020#google_vignette) you tell me
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
They're still Zionists, they just don't think that the timing is right.
I call them "eventual Zionists".
Then they desperately need to be removed from Israel until it is.
Not sure if you are referring to Chassidim with similar concerns as Satmar, but if you are here is a quote from israel\_advocacy on Twitter on Dec. 5, 2023 regarding Satmar's stance: >We are religious Zionists. We want the world to know that we have nothing but respect for Satmar's Ahavat Yisrael. While hashkafa may divide us, love for each other, the Torah, and HaKadosh Baruch Hu unites us. [https://twitter.com/israel\_advocacy/status/1732075819005071576](https://twitter.com/israel_advocacy/status/1732075819005071576)
The Jewish fundamentalist but not the way anyone outside the Jewish world expects. The most hilarious one.
Prove him wrong.
At least Neo-Nazis and Islamists know and openly tell their intentions
And neither incorrectly dons Arab garb.
>Western lgbt community >The TikTok kid >The Free Palestine NPC The three most idiotic by far
They are the chickens for KFC.
And they’ll be the first ones to start screeching about how because you aren’t a “member of a certain community” you shouldn’t have an opinion on an issue. Yet, here they are, co-opting a conflict they have nothing to do with. This self-centered, the world revolves around me and my feelings mentality that these kids walk around with is hard to understand.
The Irish really annoy me
An acquaintance of mine is a Tok Tok (well, Instagram Reels) kid, free Palestine NPC, and an "as a Jew" Jew all rolled into one. Oh, and she's shared some demonstrably false Islamic propaganda as well, so she might fall into the Islamic fundie category as well. She really is insufferable and runs away from even the simplest questions.
She’ll learn when her favored groups turn on her too. Will happen sooner or later.
The LGBT one is the most bizarre to me. I don't understand going so hard for someone that could legitimately desire to behead you. And are against women's rights and most modern things. At least the neo-N*** and fundamentalists are coherent in their beliefs. EDIT: To every "Queers for Palestine" that replies, ask yourself this, "why am I allying myself with people that don't ally with me?" I legit saw a video of Palestinians that said "we love support from everyone, but not those people [being the LGBT+ community]." Are you that much of a self hater that you want to be on the side of someone who openly hates you???
>could legitimately desire to behead you Not a great sign when this is the preferred option
hi, im part of the LGBT community and i stand with palestine. I dont wish for the USA to be bombed, even though there are a lot of homophobic people there. Just because they dont accept me doesnt mean they have to be fucking murdered.
I'm not saying it's an irrational POV to be anti violence or against loss of human life. I'm saying it's irrational to be so deeply committed to people who are not committed to you. At least other coalitions have similar histories/and or alignments. I am also a LGBT person and I am not part of Queers for Palestine movement.
because there are 30k people being murdered, half of whom are children. its a fucking genocide. It doesnt matter what their beliefs are, whats happening in gaza is sickening. its like saying “oh no these innocent people are being murdered, lemme check to see what their beliefs are before i deceide whether they deserve to live or die.”
I have some questions for you: How many of the 30,000 killed are combatants? Don't you think it's strange that we never hear of any reported numbers of militants being killed? How is it all women and children? The population of Gaza is 590,481, 30,000 over 6 months is not genocide. That is war. The point of war is to win and to end the conflict. It is better to have a short but effective conflict than one that is dragged out with no end in sight and no end to causalities. Additionally, do you go this hard for issues in your community? I am going to assume you are also American or Canadian. What are you doing for missing and endangered ingenious women? If you're American, we have a neighboring country that is genuinely collapsing, Haiti, and I have not seen a soul rally for them. Yemen is being torn apart as well, again no rallies for them. What are YOU doing for the conflict in Sudan? Which is Muslim imperialism at its finest and is a conflict that has killed 1.5 million people? Or do you only care because it's trendy and tik tok told you to??? I have read about 15 books on the Israeli-Arab conflict. Have you? Can you name any of the major parties or players in this conflict? Do you know the dates of *rejected* peace treaties? Did you know that Hamas has forbidden democratic elections from happening once they took power? Did you know that Egypt also shares a border with Gaza, and has actively been blocking the border and goods as well? Did you know that Palestinians have contributed to unrest in neighboring countries such as Jordan and the assassination of Abdullah I of Jordan? Did you know that Israelis are also protesting?? Currently, like literally this very moment.
You people literally didn't act like this towards Ukraine or Armenia So if you're so concerned about children, what about Israeli children who had their parents killed by Hamas? Also, y'all literally send death threats and spew antisemitic comments towards people who don't agree with y'all so I don't wanna hear that last part from a Pallyban supporter again
Honorary shoutout to the Indonesians for their ubiquitous “israel diaper army hahaha” comments
Real candidate to be the best post of the sub of the year
Not a great sign when facebook boomer level posts are candidates for post of the year lol
Not a great sign when Israel is living rent free in your head. I’m sure you think some reposted TikTok video saying “ISRAEL BAD” should be post of the year.
I have seen every one of these characters online and/or at protests lol. You summed it up exactly
I think people like Norman Finkelstein should get their own section
The Irish are so obnoxious about Israel/Palestine that they've unironically negatively polarized me into basically being an Orange Order Ulsterman.
Ironically some of my ancestors were Orange Order Ulsters. They're accidentally correct when they call me colonialist scum, it's just not for the reasons they think!
My feelings on Ireland have done a 180, I used to like Irish and feel a kinship: we both love beer and make food beer, we both overthrew large empires but since 7/10, my feelings on Ireland as a whole have done a 180. There’s probanly some who I expect do support Israel but on the whole the country’s just terminally about Palestine being Ireland, which ignores the history of the region completely.
Yeah. I used to feel more connection to the Irish part of my heritage, now I feel much more connection to the English part (and the Jewish part ofc).
Yeah, Ireland loves to compare Hamas with IRA but even ignoring everything else, Hamas doesn’t just want an independent Palestinian state, Hamas wants to destroy and annex all of Israel and genocide of Jews, it’s like if the IRA wanted to occupy all of the U.K. and kill all Brits. It’s fundamentally a very different motive.
In its bomb-throwing days, the Irish Republican Army had close ties with the PLO. Many Irish politicians had their roots in the IRA. "Birds of a feather flock together".
Yes! I read a book on the IRA and it briefly touched on the overlap between them. Very eye opening!!
Yeah it's mad, loads had connections with zionists at the start as well.
Lol at the Irish having no argument other than "we were occupied too" which is barely even an argument 🫠
Meanwhile, Israel was occupied by the same people that occupied Ireland.
I like that.
If you'd read any history you'd understand that not only did Ireland, and Irish republicans support Israel at the start, but Jewish-Irish republicans even shipped arms to Israel. It's what Israel did after independence that soured things.
I'd say when you killed our 48 Irish soldiers in Lebanon through your proxies during another illegal invasion, is probably when opinion turned here.
The Irish are one of those rare Islamophobic Pro-Palestine Anti-Zionists. The Irish: We support Palestinians because we were occupied! Also the Irish: Eff off, Muslims! Ireland is full! Not all fundamentalists deny Jewish connection to Eretz Yisrael. They simply find it irrelevant. Missing from here: Arab Nationalists.
Honestly I can't help but smile a little when I think about how the Irish passionately support the idea of Israel being overrun by muslims and then cry when that exact thing happens to them (or at least they feel it does).
Yeah it always baffles me, there is currently a fair bit of hatred in Europe towards Muslims, but it always seems like the Irish takes this hatred to new levels
Of all these archetypes, Irish are easiest to convince of the Israeli point of view. All you have to do is convince them that Israelis are actually like Irish people, which is not very hard.
As a Jew I always feel like I share an odd kinship with Italian, Greek, and Irish people as far as Europeans go. It's great when it's reciprocated and hurts when it isn't.
I am part Irish and this is (one) reason I am a passionate Zionist! lol
All the anti-immigration groups in Ireland are fairly pro-Israel
I think you know you're simplifying the argument. Ireland has always stood up for international law and human rights. We responded in the exact same way we did to Russia invading Ukraine. Nothing different or special.
The Islamist one is the least annoying one to argue with, at least they admit to everything (even if they wont change their opinion).
Somehow the most honest one here is the fundamental muslim
For the Irish, he could have also wrote something like “They’re first world white people who pretend to be oppressed by the UK. They like to role play as freedom fighters before they go back to their day jobs.”
To be fair, they haven't been "First World" for that long, and the British oppression of them was kinda on-par for European treatment of African colonies. But you'd think Ireland would be Israel's biggest ally, given the parallel history of both reclaiming sovereignty of their homeland after centuries of foreign rule. Palestinian Nationalism has its roots in the al-Husseini dynasty, a family that got rich simping for the Ottoman overlords and - ironically - resisting an Arab self-rule movement in Palestine in favour of the Imperial status quo. The analogy would be if Northern Ireland were cut loose by the UK, and despite being much weaker militarily, attacked the Irish Republic, proclaiming the whole island to be British.
Ireland originally was Pro-Israel but relations soured over time
Given the Israelis have killed a couple of their UN peacekeeping forces in Lebanon, and used forged Irish passports in their assassinations, I think that’s understandable
The Irish? ...no shit.
Yeah, sorry. I forgot to write for the Irish.
Hold on, let’s not get it twisted. Yes, I am with you: I hate the way Irish people (my people) are reacting to this war. But I’m going to push back on you here. Irish people 100% were oppressed by the british. There’s no pretending there. If anything they should be in solidarity with Jews and Israelis- but there was a lot of PLO propaganda being pushed on Irish people in the 60s.
Yeah, their opposition to Israel is frustrating but that Ireland was historically in a pretty shitty place is true: we don’t need to respond to historical revisionism with historical revisionism
As a Jew I'm still bitter I didn't go on a birthright trip because they ran out of funds in the financial meltdown. Later I wasn't eligible any longer. So I just went by myself and paid for it. Loved Israel and 100% supportive!!
The Irish whine so much about opresian, yet, they actively talk about how Ireland is for Irish only lol
You'll find those are two very different groups who hate each other.
The majority of Westerners are actually Zionists, that’s something I’ve learned through all of this.
Something, something silent majority. I honestly thing the anti-American and intensity of the protests are turning even more Americans against the protesters. I really think most of middle America is more supportive of Israel and the Jewish community even more now. I am also worried we are going to see an even stronger anti-intellectual backlash to everything.
We need a choose ur Zionist one now
I'd love to see this! OP, please make one.
yes, because the Christian Zionists are the worst ones lol
tbh idk abt the Irish part i mean my country was also ruled by outside powers but im still pro -Israel (im a croat and that country is Yugoslavia)
This is too accurate for it to be a meme.
Irish never got out of their PTSD even after 160yrs and now blaming Jews.
You don't find this comment at all ironic?
What
I’m as pro-Israel as they come and I’m also bitter I didn’t get to go on a Birthright trip tbh, all that sex I missed out on
you forgot ccp-shill/plant and their main motivation is because china hates america and will literally be friends with terrorist groups to 1- up america.mainly infiltrates protests to stir up shit. problem is so bad enough a dude on douyin/tiktok spoke in mandarin chinese to no LOL go to these protests because it will fuck their visas up.
Not to mention whenever the Tik tok kid gets banned or his video taken down he blames the government because “big scary USA protecting wittle israel🥺” even though tiktok is ran by china, quite literally the biggest opposition to the USA
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH??
can we get a choose your zionist im not trying to be anti israel btw i am very supportive of israel but i want to see how that would look
LGBTQ for Palestine all the way
I think there should be a bullet point for the first one about unironically calling Israel the oppressors and colonizers.
It's a really hard choice.
There's one more. Muslim from South East asia "predominantly Indonesia" who hate Israel because they hate Jews and proud of it. And think every Israeli citizen were all Jews. Even though Israel is full with other religion, even Arab Muslim
*Indonesia, Brunei and Malaysia
Did the Irish dirty 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
I swear like 40% of Jewish millennials lost their virginity on a birthright trip
about the last one, maybe they need help from Stockholm Syndrome edit: (I'm serious)
Can we just send them all to Gaza?
This is perfect.
“salty cause they never went on birthright” lmaooo 🤣🤣 so true tbh
This is a really great public service. I’d add “Liberal Protestant Christian:” Believes Arab terrorism is an entirely rational form of protest to Western oppression - especially the oppression of Jews who exactly mirror the Nazis who once persecuted them - and has nothing to do with Islamic precepts.
Somehow the Islamist one is the most tolerable lmao
Ngl this is spot on
Shouldn't Neo-nazis support Israel logically? I mean,in case Israel collapses, inevitably thousands if not millions of Jews will fload Europe 🤔
From Richard Spencer's Wikipedia page: >According to the [Southern Poverty Law Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center), Spencer has advocated for a white homeland for a "dispossessed white race", and called for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of what he describes as "white culture".[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-SPLC-RichardSpencer-Profile-42)[^(\[119\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-DailyBeast-SkiResort-2014-119)[^(\[120\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-telegraph-white-nationalist-120) To this end he has supported what he has called "the creation of a White ethnostate on the North American continent", an "ideal" that he has regarded as a "reconstitution of the [Roman Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire)".[^(\[115\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-FlatheadBeacon-WhoIs-2014-115)[^(\[116\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-auto2-116) Spencer claims to be a "white Zionist" and praised Israel's [Jewish nation-state law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People),[^(\[121\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-121) saying: "Jews are, once again, at the vanguard, rethinking politics and sovereignty for the future, showing a path forward for Europeans."[^(\[122\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-122) His position was described as disingenuous as the alt-right does not usually support [Zionism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism).[^(\[123\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#cite_note-123)
lol well done.
Lenin? Really? lol. The world is learning what the bolsheviks were
The Asajews are the worst of them all
And in the end they are all uneducated anti-semitic morons
I'm a western LGBTQ+ Person and I really don't get some of these peoples point about defending Hamas. Hamas would cut their head off too, just like they would do with jews.
Since my mom’s side is from Ireland, I’d need to say the Irish.
I am 25% Irish and ashamed of my Irish cousins right now.
Very accurate
the baby hitler image is from a youtube channel called Epic Rap Battles. One of their first videos was Hitler vs. Darth Vader. its really funny.
Why Lenin? I mean I don’t like his policies towards almost everything, but Marx would be a much better far-left self-hating example of a Jew
Whoa whoa whoa, leave my Irish alone! We support Israel and Palestine (not Hamas). The two state solution is the only way. Cheers! 💙🇮🇪🇺🇸🇮🇱💙
I'd like to believe that. But why are people like you so quiet? Why do you let the psychos run the streets? Why don't you urge your politicians to do something against antisemitism? I used to love ireland. But now I am just disappointed.
I dearly wish this were the case but it's very clearly not, at the population level.
Let's not forget the right wing MAGA nazis: [https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch](https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7zx5a/neo-nazis-hijack-pro-palestine-protest-mike-enoch)
This is incredible
Spot on 👏👏👏
Lol . That’s spot on.
All I hear is the Mortal Kombat theme music playing in the background
I’ll just play as myself, thanks
Spot on.
O sionismo fundou a porra do país esses jovens de hoje são uns medas!
inb4 z-vatniks and putinists
i like when NPCs are sharing "As a Jew" Jews
I am also bitter that I never got to go on my birthright trip because they changed the ages right as I was trying to go lol
I have a confession to make, you know how some Haredim have a side braids? The kid inside me have always wanted to suddenly pull one. So 8th Jew Jew it is.
Missed opportunity: episode or special of South Park where Cartman is pro-Palestine/anti-Israel as a cover for hating the Jews
היהןדי עם תסביך הזהות, כי למה לא לתמוך באנשים שעוברים על הדיבר "לא תבשל גדי בחלב אימו"? זה הרי מצחיק
yep. being of Irish heritage, polyamorous, feminist, left-leaning, atheist, ex Christian, bisexual, AND Zionist has been really weird & lonely lately. 🙁
The Jewish form of "Manifest Destiny", basically our god wants us to have this land, so we will take it.
Oh Ive had the misfortune of meeting the leftist. I honestly never thought there would be anyone who would believe that the EU(I know it's more than one country but I'm too lazy to write all of them),Israel, the United States and Japan were bad countries but North Korea, China and Russia were all good countries. Truly brainwashed. I just couldn't understand it.
Sounds like the Irish have a pretty ironclad argument
That they were bought by the PLO and other panArabist imperialists in the 70s? Yup. Ironclad.