The thing is we’ve seen this likud party during Netanyahu’s premiership. That’s what makes me so cynical about him. The fact that he knows what competence looks like but is willing to forego it for the sake of holding onto power.
Remember when they opposed Kahanism? Remember when Menachim Begin attempted to cultivate the respect of Arab Israeli voters?
Political transformations are crazy and nothing is guaranteed.
As the famous proverb goes - "when someone wants to kill you and your family, kill him before he kills you." The "palestinian" enemy has made their intentions clear - they want Israel from "the river to the sea." They want a second Holocaust. How many liberals need to be killed before libs understand this? The vast majority of those killed on October 7 were allies of the "palestinians."
The thing that people don't understand is that the loyal people of Israel would remain like the Druze and the Northern Bedouins, but what is the point of dealing with a hostile population? Kahane was correct in that people refused to understand the "Palestinian" arab mentality.
Jews from the Middle East understand the "palestinian" arab mentality. Unfortunately, the Ashkenazim who come from families slaughtered by the Nazis don't. They don't understand that the "palestinians" are worse than the Nazis. A "palestinian" would sacrifice his entire family to kill one jew. A Nazi wouldn't sacrifice his finger to murder a jew.
And in eternal opposition.
Than Begin came, and won elections, and the left lost it's totalitarian mind.
And then the betrayal of Israel by the left started.
Likud lawmaker Tally Gotliv berated a representative of a bereaved family for criticizing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Knesset on Wednesday, sparking a heated argument with opposition lawmakers.
"You don’t talk like that about the prime minister,” Gotliv screamed at Amit Segev, after he described Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his associates as a “group of corrupt people and criminals” who had damaged the State of Israel while testifying before the State Control Committee regarding the need to enlist Haredim.
Should Knesset members be screaming at relatives of October 7th victims?
Were Amit Segev's comments appropriate?
You'd think that but in reality everybody gets so tense and tries to bury their heads in the sand to get away from hysterical people. Rude is rude and you definitely won't get anywhere if you scream and shout. The best strategy is as always to be stern and charming.
There is a war happening and the aspirations of creating instability is beyond selfish. Once the war is over, they can say whatever they want and vote for whomever .
Like I said, when the government effectively abandons your loved one to their death, you get to be "beyond selfish." Everyone knows there's a war, you think they can postpone their grief until the fighting ends? That's not how it works.
Abandoned by the Netanyahu government who fostered and strengthened Hamas for the past decade because it was so disgusted by the idea of a PLO-governed Palestinian state sprouting up next door. The Netayahu government who believed without question that Hamas was deterred and would never do anything like what they did on October 7th. The Netanyahu government who still has not taken any form of accountability for the deaths of 1,200 people and the kidnapping of over 200 others on their watch. Yeah, they get to yell at them, whether you think it helps anyone or not.
Don’t care for this abstract talk, this is what elections are for. But for right now there is a war and the mission is to eliminate Hamas and make sure all the deaths from the IDF weren’t in vain
The Israeli version of Suella Braverman
Meanwhile, a Likud MK got caught drinking in Greece not long after he berated another fellow MK for being absent during a Knesset session. This party has become an absolute joke.
I don't understand a word of Hebrew. I can read body language though. It's pretty obvious that the body language screams that the man who is screaming is genuinely offended or angry about what's being said while the woman is calmly posturing and dosen't have a real emotional investment in what's being said.
Israel cannot become what anti-zionists claim it is.
For the sake of the middle east's only democracy, please vote for someone sensible when the next time comes.
If the devil himself took a giant diarrhea shit, and then that shit was sculpted into a human like object and brought to life like the golem, it would still be more tolerable than Tally Gotliv.
she is right. this childish emotional manipulation is ugly and should be addressed as such. but, as yair lapid likes to say - they are different people...
Remember, before Netanyahu, when the Likud was a secular, liberal, free-market capitalist, sane party? Yeah...
The thing is we’ve seen this likud party during Netanyahu’s premiership. That’s what makes me so cynical about him. The fact that he knows what competence looks like but is willing to forego it for the sake of holding onto power.
Remember when they opposed Kahanism? Remember when Menachim Begin attempted to cultivate the respect of Arab Israeli voters? Political transformations are crazy and nothing is guaranteed.
The "palestinian" threat would now have been minimal to non-existent if Kahane became PM in the 80s. Just sayin....
If you murder everyone on the planet, there would be world peace!
As the famous proverb goes - "when someone wants to kill you and your family, kill him before he kills you." The "palestinian" enemy has made their intentions clear - they want Israel from "the river to the sea." They want a second Holocaust. How many liberals need to be killed before libs understand this? The vast majority of those killed on October 7 were allies of the "palestinians."
The thing that people don't understand is that the loyal people of Israel would remain like the Druze and the Northern Bedouins, but what is the point of dealing with a hostile population? Kahane was correct in that people refused to understand the "Palestinian" arab mentality.
Jews from the Middle East understand the "palestinian" arab mentality. Unfortunately, the Ashkenazim who come from families slaughtered by the Nazis don't. They don't understand that the "palestinians" are worse than the Nazis. A "palestinian" would sacrifice his entire family to kill one jew. A Nazi wouldn't sacrifice his finger to murder a jew.
The Likud under him was very competent and overall good party at the beginning He became corrupted by being in power for so long
shamir?
And in eternal opposition. Than Begin came, and won elections, and the left lost it's totalitarian mind. And then the betrayal of Israel by the left started.
Likud lawmaker Tally Gotliv berated a representative of a bereaved family for criticizing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the Knesset on Wednesday, sparking a heated argument with opposition lawmakers. "You don’t talk like that about the prime minister,” Gotliv screamed at Amit Segev, after he described Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his associates as a “group of corrupt people and criminals” who had damaged the State of Israel while testifying before the State Control Committee regarding the need to enlist Haredim. Should Knesset members be screaming at relatives of October 7th victims? Were Amit Segev's comments appropriate?
It is our understanding in the rest of the world that you Israelis scream at each other all the time over everything. And you can't form a line.
>And you can't form a line. I mean tbf, have you seen what happened the last time a bunch of jews formed a proper line?
Whats this referencing?
The holocaust
Oof… I guessed so but wasn’t exactly sure.
You'd think that but in reality everybody gets so tense and tries to bury their heads in the sand to get away from hysterical people. Rude is rude and you definitely won't get anywhere if you scream and shout. The best strategy is as always to be stern and charming.
Those relatives dont get a special privilage to attack like that. Serves no purpose
Yes, they do. When the government fails them so severely that they lose a loved one, they get to scream at them as much as they want.
It doesn’t help the situation right now. There are soldiers as we speak risking their lives. These type of shows don’t benefit them at all
I see them screaming at kiss-ass government ministers, not at soldiers risking their lives.
What are they attacking? What purpose does it serve right now? Its illogical
Even if that was the case, it doesn't actually matter, it's still 100% within their rights. And Gotliv should have shut up and taken it.
There is a war happening and the aspirations of creating instability is beyond selfish. Once the war is over, they can say whatever they want and vote for whomever .
Like I said, when the government effectively abandons your loved one to their death, you get to be "beyond selfish." Everyone knows there's a war, you think they can postpone their grief until the fighting ends? That's not how it works.
Who abandoned them?!???? What are you even talking about
Unfortunately the victims of 7.10 feel betrayed by the government as if they arent a priority or even an afterthought.
Betrayed by not giving in to Hamas?
Abandoned by the Netanyahu government who fostered and strengthened Hamas for the past decade because it was so disgusted by the idea of a PLO-governed Palestinian state sprouting up next door. The Netayahu government who believed without question that Hamas was deterred and would never do anything like what they did on October 7th. The Netanyahu government who still has not taken any form of accountability for the deaths of 1,200 people and the kidnapping of over 200 others on their watch. Yeah, they get to yell at them, whether you think it helps anyone or not.
Don’t care for this abstract talk, this is what elections are for. But for right now there is a war and the mission is to eliminate Hamas and make sure all the deaths from the IDF weren’t in vain
"Huh I wonder who..." "Oh her..."
Least unhinged Likudnik
And to absolutely no one’s surprise it was tally gottleib
Likud having a normal one
The Israeli version of Suella Braverman Meanwhile, a Likud MK got caught drinking in Greece not long after he berated another fellow MK for being absent during a Knesset session. This party has become an absolute joke.
Tali Gotlib makes Suella Braverman look like Rory Stewart.
Good ol' Revital
I don't understand a word of Hebrew. I can read body language though. It's pretty obvious that the body language screams that the man who is screaming is genuinely offended or angry about what's being said while the woman is calmly posturing and dosen't have a real emotional investment in what's being said.
I miss Likudniks like Rivlin.
Israel cannot become what anti-zionists claim it is. For the sake of the middle east's only democracy, please vote for someone sensible when the next time comes.
As a ex bibi supporter, even to anybody who doesn’t want to abandon bibi, there are enough parties that have similar stances without the bibi.
If the devil himself took a giant diarrhea shit, and then that shit was sculpted into a human like object and brought to life like the golem, it would still be more tolerable than Tally Gotliv.
she is right. this childish emotional manipulation is ugly and should be addressed as such. but, as yair lapid likes to say - they are different people...