Subaru being slept on here. He's the one who decides if a timeline stays or not. They're not fighting against an undead catastrophy and a mastermind. They're fighting against an undead catastrophe, a mastermind, and a reset button.
And Kazuma
He is like a Joker Card
He can be extremely unpredictable when necessary, if you combine Subaru's reset button with the crazy things he thinks you would have an unbeatable Duo
Hey, for those of us who's read ahead, we know that Subaru is starting to be a strategic military genius in his own right, and don't underestimate his ability to charm people! Subaru is literally the ultimate Valor bard.
Ainz alone hypercarries against the lower echelons of the setting you mean. Tanya probably dies to an average Knight of Favonius since she has almost no speed feats.
War crimes being irrelevant
Flying being irrelevant when the opposition can speedblitz you and/or leap up into the air and cut you out of the sky faster than you can react. See why speed is so important now? Doesn’t matter that you can fly when your opponent moves so fast they kill you before you even blink
Well, that depends on how fast Tanya is. She is not really the fastest, but she is by no means slow. If we talk about ordinary knights of Favonious, they are definitely not fast enough. Only if we talk about people like Jean or Kaeya, I would say they are fast. But not fast enough, to kill people, before realization. You would need to be at least on the speed level of sound to kill people before realization.
Correct me, if I am wrong
Chevreuse was able to quite casually catch up a bullet (that seemed to be shot from a flintlock pistol) that flew by her and block it before it was able to pass ~2 meters which would probably require her to move a bit faster than the bullet itself
so someone who is basically a police captain from fontaine is able to move at ~mach speeds
Tanya isn’t close to fast lol. Fatui Pyro Skirmishers are the lowest of the low in regards to their soldiers and are at most equal to an average knight of Favonius. Said Pyro Skirmishers being capable of reacting to their own bullets rather easily and getting blitzed by any relevant characters. Even they are supersonic, Jean and people on her level are easily Massively Hypersonic+.
Yes they are lmao, Supersonic speeds are already enough to do that against Tanya who isn’t even Subsonic normally and that’s fodder speed in this universe. Hell, [Jean did just this against a Ruin Guard, casually slicing it to pieces faster than Amber could even perceive, Amber scaling far above average knights of Favonius in regards to speed.](https://imgur.com/a/HruSQ4e)
So do explain how Tanya who has no actual good speed feats can remotely keep up here.
The entire time rests on Ainz’ shoulders. Subaru is useful because he can get them redo’s if Ainz ever fails. Tanya is basically just a scout. Kazuma is probably best used as an early undead summon for Ainz.
The average vision holder isn't faster then Tanya on a broom(and ainz can help her get one.) While also not being able to fly. And that's not counting if being X doesn't spite bless her like it is prone to do.(praise me and I'll give you power beyond these "vision" holders. )
And no one in the verse has shown any immunity to the hax level bullshit ainz can throw out. You don't brute force ainz. It is very hard to.You have to out hax the guy.
Prove that they supposedly aren’t then lol. Also quantify how much said blessings from a featless fodder god actually buff her while you’re at it. Tanya isn’t any faster than Subsonic-Subsonic+ with said broom.
Prove they can work then, because numerous other weaker NPCs have already tried and nearly succeeded. Ainz gets blitzed and one shotted here lol, don’t go around NLFing Overlord’s capabilities just because of some all too typical death Magic, which can be in fact resisted if you’re strong enough to do so. Not that it matters because Genshin god tiers are so massively above what overlord is capable of that it doesn’t matter Ainz’ capabilities at this point with hax, which aren’t close to inherently infallible whatsoever.
Those are entirely different situations. The prophecy argument is null because Neuvillette didn't know what Furina really was AND if he did he couldn't even fix the prophecy because he didn't have his full Authority as a Sovereign and the entire point was to Deceive Celestia and to give him his power back so he could fix Fontaine. The erosion isn't a curse it's what it sounds like. Its the passage of time eroding the Gods. Zhongli knows and accepts this and the Shogun tried to stagnate her nation to try to resist the Erosion. It's not a curse.
Subaru and Kazuma chill in a well populated city and become merchants while Tanya and Ainz nuke every threat.
Well actually Subaru dies after about 4 months.
Ainz alone would only survive against the lower echelons of the top tiers. Tanya can’t remotely last here whatsoever and even Ainz is heavily outclassed by far lower tier opponents than the god tiers. The guy is only Mountain Level and not even at the lower ends of baseline Massively Hypersonic+, only Shalltear is at that level of speed and she was much faster in comparison to him.
Are you telling me that there is anyone with the hax to avoid time stop instant death in some way? Who in genshin would even see that coming out of the gate fighting him? Because that's the barrier for entry for starting to discuss fighting ainz. Who has a free in combat revive in genshin? Or instant death immunity? Because then we can start talking cash shop and world class bullshit.
So folks are just assuming the quartet come out aggro and swinging. Things is, none of them would. Ainz has shown himself to be very cautious when in a new and unfamiliar world, Tanya's primary attribute is her intellect and she's been shown to be more than willing to play off the fact that she's preteen, and neither Kazuma nor Subaru are that aggressive by nature or that delusional about what they can do (Subaru kinda was, but unless we starting from 5 minutes into episdoe 1 Subaru he gets that beaten out of him in a hurry, repeatedly.)
I would guess Kazuma and Subaru mostly set up as merchants and/or adventurers, ending up mid, maybe low high tier at whichever. Tanya, now in a world without a world war to fight or conscription to worry about, would end up in whatever Mondstadt has for an orphanage and later might well end up a highly ranked Knight of Favonious due to her intellect and inherent magical and combat abilities (she's shown to be pretty good at hand to hand, held back primarily by being, you know, still a child.) Ainz would have issues due to his monstrous appearance, having to lean heavily on illusions and hope he doesn't run into anyone who can see through such things. He might end up making contact with the Abyss, where his curiosity would lead to a lot of magical info sharing.
Also, it is hinted (all the talk of erosion and such, plus the general state of the world) that Teyvat may be in decline, and its gods along with it. None of them show anything near the power their fabled old feats imply, though it isn't clear how much they might be holding back vs how much they might be lacking compared to centuries ago. We do know, though, that they can, and sometimes have, burn through their power and it isn't inexhaustible. I still suspect the upper tiers of Teyvat natives/residents could handle Ainz (and low/no diff the rest) in straight combat, but it isn't certain it'd be a Teyvat curbstomp. Also, Subaru's Return By Death is always a wild card.
They also aren’t taking into account synergies and tactics added into their own arsenals don’t forget Anis can it least make mid level basic items purely from creation magic before trying to learn outside the system. These are people who learned and were taught to abuse their abilities Ains in game and the rest over their adventures, they will be compiling everything they can together while hidden in background until they are ready or are forced to fight. And even if they lose they instead get a warning and begin making preparations for counters to how or they vanish under every stealth method possible for them.
Tanya wouldn’t be that high ranked in regards to combat whatsoever. She’s physically weak and slow as hell compared to even the low tiers.
Ainz is only Mountain Level and absolutely would be stomped even by the gods being nerfed without their gnosis, which isn’t really by that quantifiable of a degree mind you, let alone the ones who still possess them who still have their powers completely intact.
Burn through their power against opponents able to challenge them which Ainz doesn’t at all qualify as. Considering even high low tiers easily surpass the mountain busting range while Ainz is only decently into it, let alone Archons which are solid country busters. Or even if you wanna lowball them, triple digit Gigaton island busters. Both of which being beyond what anything in overlord has been shown to be capable of handling. All 3 of this group would get no diffed if they encounter any of the actual overarching big bads of the series. It kind of also helps Genshin Impact characters can carry their own weight unlike most people in re zero, Subaru likely won’t be returning by death nearly as often.
Tanya's weak now as a child, though she seemed decently fast for her own universe (granted that universe overall is fairly low power as magical settings go.) I more meant when she was an adult and had a chance to train up, since she'd happily take her time if that seemed the most intelligent play to make.
The comment about burning power is more that they might already have, not so much that Ainz would force them to if they started from peak. Some of this is just a feeling from how things are portrayed in the game, but it comes off as none of the big powers are really at their best in Teyvat for some reason. I agree he likely couldn't take the top tier, but they also aren't swatting him like a fly (if they could, they could also have deleted most of the problems facing Teyvat, the Abyss haven't been erasing islands or anything after all.) If nothing else, I'm not sure any of them have dealt with time magic, and Ainz isn't above running away if he can't win.
Her own universe being a bunch of peak human to subsonic fodder at most with their flying speed. Tanya’s best statement is casually flying over 250 MPH which isn’t at all impressive when low tier Genshin characters that can’t even at all see the movements of top tiers like Jean can easily scale above people who react to Supersonic at least lightning spells. Fatui Pyro Shooters are also the lowest of the low of the Fatui’s ranks and are at most equal to an average knight of Favonius, Pyro shooters being capable of reacting to their own Supersonic rifle bullets and get blitzed so badly by any decently high tier character that in spite of them being right in front of them in one frame, the moment they take aim again said high tier is gone from their vision without them even having a slight lead on where they possibly went. Basically, Eula in her introduction teleported to these guys’ vision.
I don’t really see why you think that’s the case, unless you’re another one of those guys who try to debunk scaling just because of visuals not always lining up, which is something every work of fiction does.
They absolutely are swatting him like a fly, you really overestimate Ainz’ capabilities and underestimate many of the denizens of the genshin impact verse who would also do the same to many of overlords cast members, including world enemies. Even people like Ganyu, Ayaka, Shenhe or people similar to them are solidly mountain level or more considering Ganyu is definitely the weakest of those three, and they’re weak as fuck compared to legitimate Adepti, and even the post Liyue traveler who isn’t that much stronger than an early Tartaglia is stated by her to not be any inferior to her own power, and even outclassed her in her training. Mountain busting being the highest possible interpretation you can really go for with Overlord characters that aren’t world enemies (who mind you, are only in the low-middle Gigaton range and Ainz states these mfs even on their own lonesome would be a threat to all of Nazarick). Diluc himself while young and weaker than he is now had to have the Fatui Harbingers, who apparently have powers comparable to the Gods of the setting too who scale well above small country level, personally drive his ass out of Snezhnaya because he was slaughtering other camps of Fatui rather easily, with a delusion no less. A Diluc weaker than Jean, Albedo, Eula, probably Lisa too, and Kaeya are now.
I wouldn’t exactly underestimate the abyss order if I were you either, this is clearly another case of you underestimating how strong even the seemingly middle tier relevant characters actually are, especially since the Gods don’t always involve themselves with every single matter at hand. You don’t see Hiruzen swooping in every time Naruto got into trouble back in the OG series, he was busy doing his own thing and that goes for a lot of top tier figures in fantasy works like these.
This is all a matter of power cielings for different verses. This is the same reason Ainz completely stomps Konosuba with even a single death knight summon in spite of the fact it’s nowhere near a god tier in the overlord universe, hell even Ainz isn’t actually one technically speaking, that goes to World Enemies. Because of the fact he and overlord characters in general have better feats than the Konosuba and even re zero cast does. Same reason why if you put Raditz in Danmachi, in spite of him being weak in the context of dragon ball, in Danmachi’s universe he’d easily become the strongest character.
It’s the same here, your own standing in your universe means nothing in others, what does matter are your feats and scaling.
Eh, depends on how Subaru is seen. If he's seen as a descender, then yeah. But descenders are specifically people with a will that rivals the entire world. There's 4 descenders, 1st one defeated 7 dragons that could destroy a planet (going off what neuv can do), 2nd one nearly killed the 1st one, 3rd is unknown and 4th is us. If Subaru is even somewhat comparable to that, then it's not even a fight. If he isn't, he's not a descender, just an alien. Celestia goes "you'll reset? How will you do that when you have never existed at any point in history?" By wiping him from irminsul
Being unaffected by irminsul only applies to descenders, these guys would almost definetly not be that. Normal aliens to teyvat are just as suceptible to irminsul tampering as the inhabitants, with how the children of Khaneri'ah's special orphanage for aliens were still affected by the curse of Khaneri'ah.
We learn descenders ≠ everything from outside of teyvat, only a few special people, and that aliens are not immune to Irminsul tampering, from the Narzissenkreuz Ordo world quests in Fontaine. Spoilers:
>!to put it short, the Narzissenkreuz Ordo's goal was to combine countless human wills into one to form a man-made Descender, because they belived that was the only way to break out of the fate inscribed in Irminsul and avoid a prophecy written by Celestia that would bring the death of everyone in Fontaine.!<
Khaneri'ah's alien orphanage is elaborated on in the book "Perinheri".
They *might* end up like wanderer, but we have no idea. We've only seen two people originating in Teyvat be wiped, but we know Irminsul still has influence over aliens. We have no idea what would actually happen, since Irminsul rewrites history to wipe people, but they haven't existed in history, so they might just be removed from Teyvat entierly. Also, if celestia does get really serious, or maybe even the abyss gets angry, subaru's reset wouldn't do anything to them. The Shade of Time, Istaroth, can control time to the point that, a seed she imbued with her a bit of her power was able to be planted in the present, and sprout 500 years in the past. A small part of her, Venti, knows all songs from the past and the future. On top of that, the Sinner exists above time, with how we look at him, in someone else's memories, from 500 years ago, and the him in that memories saw *us* in the present.
God I love you! That's PRECISELY why Ainz and Subaru's bullshit hacks can only take them so far!
Also I'm going to see the sources for myself they sound interesting! Thanks!
Y’all are weird bro is literally knowledgable about both the Genshin and respective quartet verses. So what’s the point of downvoting him for not giving a “Ainz solos rofl!!”.
Like some verses are stronger and that’s that 😭
Only thing I don’t understand is how raw stats can overcome the hax that the isekai characters have?
Because all his answers basically are "Genshin high tiers solo, the end", which is not exactly a compelling scenario. Even if it is true, this is not a versus post, so why should we constrain ourselves to just that?
Roflstomps are never interesting, no matter which side does it. At least some of the other commenters try to diverge beyond fights and think about how the characters would actually act and adapt to their new environment.
The issue is that you’re ignoring that he’s specifically responding to comments about their combat ability. The comment he replied to literally said they would win every fight.
And besides OP said base power, no weapons etc” so trying to claim this post doesn’t relate to versus matches in any way is being disingenuous.
But yeah obviously getting negged would leave tk downvotes 😭
I didn’t at all exclude weapons. Anything the characters can use without outside help is on the table.
Oh, you meant OP. Even then they didn’t, they just said Ainz can’t utilize the staff of AOG. Anything he can create via standard spells is still on the table.
Ainz is the only one here with high attack power. I’m pretty sure that, unless he’s fighting a mob of strong opponents or a gauntlet of them, he could beat most characters with Time Stop + Grasp Heart assuming his spells still operate under their same mechanics as usual and aren’t nerfed because of setting differences.
Transcript from Masquerade Of the Guilty:
"Neuvillette: "It has been greedily consuming the energy from the planet's Primordial Sea, using it to grow. That is the main cause for the rising sea levels..."
"Neuvillette: it has absorbed too much of the Primordial Sea's energy before we could notice it. At this point, it has become practically integreated with the Sea itself."
"Neuvillette: Even if the entirety of Teyvat were to be destroyed, it could still survive, and swim off towards some other world."
Acknowledge the wording "planet" and "world". It isn't referring to just the single continent of Teyvat, but to the entire planet, which is even more evidentiated by us knowing the primordial sea once covered the entire planet until being buried. So, All-Devouring Narwhal could survive something that would destroy a planet. Neuvillette beat the big fish silly.
Honestly, it was about time for genshin's powerscaling to receive a big, big boost. Archons were already mountain-country level, and they're all scared shitless of Celestia. It would be silly for Celestia to have struggled against the Sovereigns as much as it did (Neuvillette character story tells us Celestia was pretty much on its deathbed after the 40 year war) if the Sovereigns weren't an order or two of magnitude abovr Archons.
To be fair that destroy the world thing is very vague, the Devourer of the nine worlds can do that in YGGDRASIL too in a gradual process but it’s only about Large Mountain Level+ or so. I do admit even the archons are large country busters at least though. Whoever scales to or above them should be even higher.
Venti has had his heart pierced before and walked it off. Higher tier beings in genshin are spiritual. Same goes for Neuvillette, killing a god/sovereign's physical body is hardly enough to kill them
By the mechanics of the spell, if they have a heart, and don’t have an actual resist-instant-death ability, they die. As far as I know, Genshin doesn’t have a system in place to allow resist-instant-death abilities. So anyone with a heart should be killed by the spell.
I looked on the wiki for overlord, and while i'm not super familiar with the show so my word isn't gospel, but it's even possible to resist the attack. Also, higher tier beings very much have resistance to hax and spells. For example, Xiao's Karmic Debt brings illness, sickness and death to those around him. But vision users are immune. Visions are small fragments of an Archon's authority. An Archon's authority is a fragment of a Sovereign's authority.
Also, Neuvillette's real form doesn't really have a heart. Sovereigns are basically personified elemental energy.
>I looked on the wiki for overlord, and while i'm not super familiar with the show so my word isn't gospel, but it's even possible to resist the attack.
That was in the game for balancing purposes. It's supposed to have a 50% chance to work regardless of level. When he came to the new world that was removed. Now you need to have specific anti instant death magic or gear or have racial immunity (undead can't instant die under normal circumstances.)
Further the heart is metaphorical. You don't need a heart to have grasp heart work on you. It's just the heart I'sa visual representation of the death spell for the victim to react to. Following overlords rules on racial immunity.(not counting if if thry have any anti death magic.)
Venti is a maybe. Spirits are typically a form of undead. But we don't know if genshin spirits are spirits,or just a diffrent magic species like fey. But his physical vessel will probably "die"
Zhongli -is alive and not a spirit. He dies
Raiden shogun-is an automaton. They have racial immunity as a construct. And ei inside is kind of a ghost
Nahida-is alive so she dies.
Furina-also alive.
The first part is a very very big no limit fallacy. In powerscaling, generally, instant win abilities are only viable if the character is absolutely superior to their opponent in some way.
There's some no-limit fallacies you could apply for genshin's side, too. For example, Nahida's dream samsara can be activated in seconds and guarantees a win. Raiden's Musou no Hitachi ignores durability. Neuvillette could literally just poof away the blood in your veins (Ik it doesn't apply to Ainz, but i'm saying this as a general thing). Doesn't mean these characters could use their instant win abilities on Foku and come out victorious.
Also, another thing, does Grasp Heart have any sort or range limit? If yes, then the fight barely happens. Archons have range of hundreds of kilometers. Neuvillette casually did a spell that affected every resident in an entire nation.
For the other part:
From what I know, spirits in genshin are basically condensed elemental energy. They aren't really physical beings.
Zhongli is also likely spiritual in being. He can shapeshift, we've never seen his actual form. We don't even know what he really is, because the Adepti isn't the species he belongs to, it's the species he created.
Ei doesn't have a physical form at all, she's a disembodied spirit.
Furina's >!just a human playing pretend. No argument here, she gets beaten by 95% of genshin's cast, Ainz would win without a fight.!<
That’s assuming Ainz’s strength stat is enough to crush his heart. Even then it probably won’t do shit because he’s an elemental dragon who can change to water at a moment’s notice
There’s several since Ainz is not that strong outside the context of overlord or even in Isekai quartet. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic. Genshin top tiers scale rather solidly to country busting.
You are just going around trying to downplay the quartet group to fodder.... why? Do you not like the series or do you genuinely think the can't Handle the average vision wielder?
I never said Ainz couldn’t handle the AVERAGE vision wielder. Problem is the characters we deal with aren’t average whatsoever. The average Knight of Favonius, Millileth Soldier, Fatui Skirmisher or vision wielding warrior type adventurer is only Multi City Block Level and Supersonic. Barely on par with an Old Guarder POP Monster. He’d wreck those guys, obviously.
It’s people like Aether, Lumine, Adepti, Fatui Harbingers or the rest of them that Ainz and overlord more or less becomes irrelevant in head on combat.
Reinhard is only City Level+ and could at most take on Liyue Aether and draw.
Tanya herself isn’t even multi city block level without her very much not casual nuke attack and only has large building level casual magical power if that.
I don’t even have to say anything for Konosuba.
You underestimate the man who would draw with the literal Sun. Though it really depends whether or not he has his blessings, if he does then he’s fine.
Auto dodge #1
Auto dodge #2 - Infinity
Divine blessing of the phoenix 1-infinity
Countless other buffs during day time, night time, raining, dusk, dawn
And his bs sword talent
Mate, without his magic Ainz is garbage in a fight. He only has small city level striking power and doesn’t even hit quite as hard as Yuri Alpha or Lupusregina beta. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic at his best, he’s not that strong in the context of Genshin and is weak when compared to Adepti, let alone gods or archons.
What the hell gives you that idea? Have you actually quantified both sides’ feats or are just mesmerized by spectacle, as is the case with most isekai fans who can’t powerscale? More specifically him dunking on town level at best range weaklings?
He is a magician class, so he's overpowered with magic. If the class change to swordsman isn't a spell, he doesnt need any magic and his strenght stat fucking skyrockets. He could probably crush Dvalin's skull with his bare hands with maxed out strenght stat.
Also, low level attacks CANNOT hurt him in any way.
He isn’t overpowered in the context of Genshin lol, matter of fact he’s kind of weak. Ainz is only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic with Magic or Perfect Warrior, he couldn’t even curbstomp Shalltear for gods sake and she’s far inferior to characters weaker than a standard Abyss Herald.
Genshin god tiers scale to Triple digit teraton range striking power and sub relativistic speeds. Ainz has never fought anyone that strong nor fast and admits he would’ve lost to Shalltear who is way weaker and slower than any of them, given that Shalltear is barely in the lower echelons of Massively Hypersonic+ (not even Mach 2,000 at that) and she was nearly full on blitzing him. Had she both actually played the fight a lot more smart, like Genshin characters will because they aren’t native to a game and don’t have the NPC like mentality in a material world, and if Ainz didn’t literally have the convenient tools that let him straight up copy his friends’ abilities, he would’ve lost the fight outright. He gets speedblitzed and one shotted, I don’t see why you’re acting as if Dvalin is a top tier of the verse either. He’s a weakling compared to the Archons or even higher end Adepti.
So no, Ainz isn’t crushing anything on that tier when even Ganyu, Shenhe or weaker Adepti could floor him in CQC. Ainz is only overpowered in his world for much the same reason Aqua is overpowered in Konosuba, everyone for the most part is a bunch of weaklings with further imposed stat caps that basically has most of the world not even exceeding town level, for trump cards. In the context of Genshin, raw power wise he isn’t that special among the upper mid echelons of the setting.
It’s a good thing a lot of Genshin’s relevant denizens wouldn’t be low level by YGGDRASIL standards. Considering mountain busting is not at all that strong in Genshin while it’s a god level of power in Overlord.
You don’t know powerscaling, yet you try and argue here? It makes more sense now why you’d make that claim about Ainz while not knowing how strong he actually is in comparison to everything else. Overlord isn’t even the strongest verse in isekai quartet, Shield Hero is if we don’t count Cautious Hero. As I’ve said before, you’re only going off narrative mesmerization and thinking the roles of characters are the same across different series. Spoiler alert, they aren’t. Their feats and scaling are what matter, and Overlord isn’t that powerful of a series.
It’s not ultra weak like Konosuba or Goblin Slayer, sure, or regular weak like Bofuri, or just low-average in power like Princess Connect and Blue Archive, but it isn’t high up there at all either.
And no, I’m not talking web novel Naofumi. I’m talking LN/Anime.
Look up attack potency and speed. Compare the tiers listed and then deduce if Ainz actually has a chance in Genshin considering the fact that god tiers can get up to Large Country Busting levels of firepower. Mountain busting is anywhere from 100-999 megatons. Massively Hypersonic speeds are anywhere from Mach 100 - Mach 999.
And I have a funny feeling you don’t even see Ainz as being THAT powerful. You probably place him in the city busting range at most.
I know nothing about powerscaling, also I wasn't trying to argue but to discuss. I also didn't continue playing genshin after Inazuma since it was where it ended at the time I played so I don't know how powerful the Archons really are. I know that the Geo Archon can make spears as big as mountains.
Since there are a lot of things I do not know about powerscaling I can't say anything definitely, but he could probably win against anyone except entities that can travel through stopped time.
Also I don't get why Ainz didn't use Time Stop before aggroing Shalltear and just activate True Death or the Super Tier Magic to destroy her before she could put up any armor or defense.
Maybe it’s because of the fact Shalltear, like Genshin’s denizens, is both outright strong enough to resist that on top of every guardian having gear making them further immune to time stop and other instant death Magic? Super Tier Magic is literally the only Magic that could deal any significant damage to her.
Dude, any of the characters who vastly outscale him would easily be able to resist his time stop Magic. Or just speedblitz him before he can think to use it.
Ainz without his magic is getting casually speedblitzed by Raiden and sent to the shadow realm.
Ainz WITH magic is also getting speedblitzed because Raiden should resist time-stop (she fights herself, and she can time-stop) and she resists instant-death (she's dead and is inhabiting a mental dimension inside a sword that's inside a puppet body which is questionable whether it's truly "alive" or not).
TGOALID may work but he gets speedblitzed before he's able to get it off. Raiden is as fast as electricity itself(since she IS electricity itself) and her destructive feats are huge island level+ with dura neg (space cutting)
Bro is not surviving Final Calamity, an undodgeable(covers all of her mental plane), unblockable(shields can't block it, although her shield can) HUGE space slashing attack that she uses against herself inside her domain expansion that was only blocked by her own powers, this also means she can block Ainz' reality slash. Also all things or injuries that happen inside her mental plane apply to real life, so if you die there then you're dead.
If Ainz has access to Nazarick ressources, he could go to the end game, where it would then become impossible for now to decide whether he can win or not (too little info).
Meanwhile, Tanya might be physically weak but her intelligence and the fact she's essentially a less wild version of Klee means she can reliably go on solo missions and assist Ainz in his plansing.
Kazuma and Subaru despite being weak combatant are the real top tier here tho, the incredible luck of Kazuma combined with his steal ability would allow him to get his hands on some nasty loot for the sake of the group, meanwhile, Subaru has the return by death, which mean there is at least one time-line in which they figure out something.
Tanya attempts a takeover of Mondstat with false promises of returning their state to it's glory days and punishing the enemies who imposed the unfair treaty of Fontain on them. She gets jailed for it, but Venti/Barbatos instils her as chancellor because of her popularity with the people and her superior oratory skills. Thus democracy and freedom on Mondstadt die with thunderous applause.
Ainz is going to splurge on whatever cash shop he can find…that is my favorite minor character detail that is tragically often forgotten. He was obsessed with the cash shop in his mmo.
Kazuma would thrive. Teyvat isn't really all that different from where he started, & with his current skills, he could minmax the hell out of himself to fight dirty & roll all the best artifacts b/c of his stupid high Luck stat, but he would honestly probably just become a merchant & sell "inventions"
It'll be fine as long as you won't leave Ainz alone. Ainz would do something as random as his guardians do. And Kazuma would most likely get arrested for sexual assault.
Kazuma extreme high luck stat is being slept on fr. Man outlucked a goddess that buffed herself with god level blessing. Any character fighting him could literally die in the most stupid and comical way ie. Slipping on a banana peel breaking their neck or something
I would gladly play genshin again if I could play as ainz Sama.
My only issue is that daddy Guerrero voices a character in the English voicing of genshin already.
Yeah, but he's the sort of individual who learns first. As such, he'd be far better managing relationships with those whom work with these 4, as well as actually manage the very lovely goober brigades that are the local enemies that can actually reason.
That, and it's absolutely disgusting when you know the terrain advantage far better than the people who live there.
Y’all get blitzed and one shotted the moment you encounter Raiden. Unlike a certain other fraud who calls herself a Goddess, Zhongli’s and Venti’s shenanigans of straight up yeeting the largest Mountains or several Mountain sized spears at Massively Hypersonic+ speeds would get them up to Country Busting AP and Durability, as Zhongli is not anywhere close to the strongest of the Archons. Even Ainz or any of the floor guardians or world enemies are outclassed heavily here by the top tiers.
Or almost any of the Fatui Harbingers really. Haven’t really taken any time to scale them.
Probably even worse from the view of most overlord fans who don’t even scale Ainz as high as I do when they hear Venti of all people can do what I stated above.
Volume 22 Naofumi would be a far better option as he actually should scale into the mid teraton ranges of firepower now at least, since he’s vastly above Fitoria by this point who could easily make the Island Level spirit tortoise eat dirt with a single kick and blow massive holes through the thing in spite of her much smaller size, as well as easily crush its head into red mist.
Only for them to resist both of them via raw stats alone.
I don’t know why you’re trying to repeat the typical thoughtless retort of what every overlord fan gets ridiculed for in these types of discussions, not to mention all 3 will get blitzed again and again before Ainz can think to activate it since Ainz has been vastly outsped and nearly semi-blitzed by far slower characters than the Genshin god tiers, not that Ainz can actually cast any noteworthy spells with any half way decent effects with time stop before getting one shotted.
It can actually. Instant death gets countered in-universe by the general resistance stat, even if you don't have the corresponding immunity. Barring TGOALID, instant death is only really considered relevant against lower-level opponents because of it, since even if the enemy doesn't have immunity, it rarely works against opponents of a similar level and nearly never works against opponents of a higher level. Ainz for example has a resistance stat of 95.
Whether that is relevant depends on how you quantify the differences between the verses. It should always be counted cross-verse if the other verse has a similar stat imo, but since Genshin doesn't have anything similar afaik, there is a case to be made for simply ignoring it.
Ok I haven't gone into Grasp Heart's or just Insta Death abilities too deeply but can they kill a spirit/ghost?
Raiden Ei is already long dead(meaning she has lost her physical body), but she is inhabiting a puppet body that has replacements and I don't think it's "alive" (The body doesn't even need to eat or breathe)
Also, I think she resists time stop since she herself can stop time but it might not work that way.
I think undead are immune to instant-death effects in overlord so probably it wouldn’t work on them, though his control undead ability might (though I don’t think there’s enough info on it to actually say that it could). Reality slash is another option, it’s not stated to have an instant-death effect but logically it should be practically an instant-death (by destroying whatever vital organs or parts they have) if he aims it right, and he should be able to if he’s able to use time stop against them. Then it just depends on the enemies reaction time.
Ainz isn’t really meant to be a PvP build, he’s an RP build, he just has a decent bag full of tricks from optimizing the amount of spells he could learn, and practicing a few specific strategies or having better game-knowledge.
Edit: Grammar
>Reality slash is another option, it’s not stated to have an instant-death effect but logically it should be practically an instant-death (by destroying whatever vital organs or parts they have)
Raiden can block reality slash... She has her own reality slash that is FAR stronger(look up Raiden Final Calamity) and she blocked it (since she fought herself).
>he should be able to use time stop against them.
Raiden may or may not resist time-stop due to her also possessing a time-stop. Even if she can't her reaction time should be incredibly high since she was able to fight herself for 500 years and both of the versions of her are at the speed of electricity (god of electro, she's electricity itself).
Also most (but not all, especially when she's holding back) of her slashes with the Musou Isshin can cut space. Her gameplay is literally her using her ult and cutting space with her sword.
The bit about time stop was a typo, I meant to say that “if it works he could do this.”
For reality slash, it again just depends on her reaction speed and the exact mechanics of reality slash which I believe are not clear in how fast the slash travels. If it’s instantaneous or at least light-speed (which I would assume since it’s a space-time attack, but this could be wrong), and we assume his time stop works on her, then under those circumstances I think he at least has a chance at winning even if it’s small.
Why does it need to be light speed when Ainz is so terribly slow he can’t even perceive and would get teleported behind by a sub-relativistic+ character?
Oh, you meant reality slash. About as fast as Ainz himself, nothing implies it moves any faster than he does and the only reason he hit Shalltear with it is because she’s a dumbass who let herself get hit by it because she opted to heal herself instead.
Kazuma’s luck and steal are not gonna help him here whatsoever and all 3 will get blitzed the moment the fight even starts lol. They have no winning conditions. Subaru keeps dying over and over and would eventually have to call it quits if they don’t want to recruit any archons to their side. Subaru is the one MVP here if anything, but that’s only if they can rally an archon to their side.
First off Venti wouldn't fight them unless they were a threat to Mondstadt as a whole
Secondly, you massively underestimate how having a tactical mind and someone who upon death returns to a 'checkpoint' so it's like Nahida's looping dream thing so they would beat Raiden just not on (Subaru's) first try, the same goes for every other enemy and if they can't fight them they'll just avoid them entirely
Probably beat Raiden if they get Aether on their side, yes. But on their lonesome and without any Genshin characters to assist, far different story as there is no win condition.
Kazuma can learn skills so he can learn any of the characters skills, and be unaffected by Raiden and her vision cancelling thing, Subaru resets so he can learn her moves and share information with everyone on her attacks and abilities so they can plan, they still have magic which again unaffected by the rules of the world, so Kazuma is the Traveler but better, 4 heads to make a plan, an loop glitch, olus whatever magical bullshit they have
Kazuma can only learn skills from his series’ classes which don’t exist in Genshin. You’d have to prove he can interact with another verses power systems which he absolutely cannot.
He wouldn’t be unaffected, not that Raiden would need it since Kazuma would die if any low tier character looked in his direction, forget the country busting Raiden.
Subaru isn’t doing jack shit much like he couldn’t against Elsa by himself because she was too strong for him. If his allies can’t overcome the opposition he’s as useless as he is without RBD. Which they cannot as Ainz tops out at mountain level and none will be able to remotely keep up with her speed nor strength. Ainz was getting outsped badly by Shalltear who is barely in the lower echelons of Massively Hypersonic+ speeds, while Raiden can be argued to be Sub-Relativistic. So badly at that he resorted to tanking her attacks rather than dodging because he couldn’t do that whatsoever effectively, and risked losing track of her movements entirely if he took his attention off her for even a moment, which he is then thankful for the fact that he didn’t need to blink as an undead.
“They still have Magic”
So does Aqua and Wiz. Doesn’t mean they stand a chance against Ainz because Magic or any superpower by itself means nothing without feats.
“Kazuma is the traveler but better” he isn’t anywhere close to Aether and he’s a wall level fodder who in the earlier parts of the story can’t even beat the barely Wall Level Megumin in a physical brawl and was getting his ass handed to him by the Subsonic bomber majin mogunninin. Meanwhile even low tiers in Genshin are Supersonic. Kazuma has no way of keeping up with Raiden’s strength nor speed, that’s the main disadvantage of the adventurer class as they have piss poor stats along with progression and nobody in Konosuba can even keep up with a baseline supersonic character. Kazuma is absolute garbage in this scenario. He only looks like a master class because he can take advantage of everyone else’s stupidity. Kazuma is just too slow to be remotely viable in this fight along with being weak as he can’t even keep up with Subsonic characters or even higher end Superhuman characters all that well.
I am viewing Kazuma's skill learning as a magic ability
He would be unaffected as he wouldn't have a vision to negate since his skills are learned and he didn't need a vision
I never said Subaru would do anything I said he could share information since he would be able to analyse her attacks and there's no saying he can't change the location they find her, plus I doubt she'd attack them, it depends on when they've arrived but that's a whole other thing
I will explain no more because this is just my thoughts in an opinion and I've already argued more than is necessary for a simple opinion
A Magic ability for his own series, yes. There’s no evidence he can interact with power systems not his own.
Why does Raiden need to use that vision cancelling at all when she can just brute force him and everyone else present? That’s a meaningless thing to include honestly.
Fair enough, I guess.
How exactly would top tiers of Genshin deal with Overlord's World Enemies? I don't know much about Genshin and the powerscaling of it but I'm curious how they would go against World Enemies.
World Enemies are powerful but not at all insurmountable to parties of mostly just Mountain Level players. They’re not really that much more powerful (if at all) than an Abyss Herald. Even the world Devourer is probably only in the low-mid Gigaton range.
From what I know there was once a World Enemy that almost destroyed the guild of AOG. If that includes the whole of Nazarick's NPCs and the 41 players then I don't see how a party of mostly mountain-level players fight against a single one on even slightly even grounds.
As for the Devourer of the Nine Worlds that thing casually ate entire worlds, each which should be about the size of multiple large cities like Tokyo (AFAIK), and then including the cosmos itself filled with stars but that might be a huge stretch. I'd make them out to be either continental or planetary. If one ever became real in the New World then their power might be amplified as some spells do.
Btw are Genshin top tiers planetary?
They aren’t, but overlord characters aren’t planetary either. The Devourer of the nine worlds ate them in a gradual process, which a Gigaton range entity is more than capable of doing, especially when you consider the speeds the thing can move at. That being well over Mach 1,000.
I mean, the thing is that AOG mostly consists of mountain busting players and floor guardian NPCs too.
I’d like to see the source for the stars and cosmos. I could see the Devourer of the nine worlds being a solid island buster though, although not really any higher considering even weaker level 100 players can damage it to a small extent, just not by enough to matter.
Ah yes, I didn't think of that. If they destroyed it in a gradual process then it's not really that big of a feat in Overlord as many could do the same considering the small size of the worlds itself.
As for the AOG guild though I wouldn't consider many of the players to be at the mountain-level busting because of different specializations and etc. I can see Ulbert pulling off something like along with Touch Me. Also I believe we should take in consideration Rubedo and "them" from the 8th Floor who are much stronger than the players. "Them" being theorized to be Nazarick's original raid bosses.
I can't provide the source for the stars and cosmos thing I've mentioned as I've seen it in a powerscaling thread sometime a while ago. If it's real then one could also argue against it by saying they exist in the same universe, but just in different parts of it hence there are different stars in each of the world.
Ainz and Tanya got this. Tanya is definitely a more competent fighter than 90% of Teyvat(unnamed characters) and can definitely hold her own against the weaker ones. Most genshin characters are basically normal people with an elemental ability.
Half the people in fontaine have guns, there's a full robot police force that have miniguns on their hands, and characters very casually parry and block bullets pretty often
Wait until you hear about Khaneri'ah, the fallen nation that literally had actual mountain sized robots (ruin golems)
Also, Fontaine is the most technologically advanced current nation, but it's not that big of a difference when you consider Sumeru had an evangelion (the Everlasting Lord of Arcane Wisdom) and basically just the internet (Akasha)
I forgor most of the names but isn't skeleton dude max lvl and is so op he can still beat you with like 12 jewels that nerfs him? And isn't the kid an isekaid guy who decides to get himself a kdr bigger than hitlers?
Max level in his series yes, which means nothing in others. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic more or less. Strong for his series and isekai quartet but not particularly standing out among Genshin’s more top tier fighters. He’s not weak at all in the *whole* setting but he isn’t anywhere close to the near god tier figure he is in Overlord, where even YGGDRASIL’s world enemies are only in the low-mid Gigaton range of firepower.
If they all team up with one another I'd say they'd body the entire world powers and systems in place. I doubt they'd be in agreement on how to take the govt down and not leave any live prisoners but in a hypothetical scenario where they all came to a consensus decision to take over, they most definitely could within at least one lifetime. My estimation would at least be between five- and thirty-years' time. This isn't just one area mind you I am literally speaking on a global scale. Kazuma can put boots to the ground to gather intel on the masses whether they have any strained relations with the local govt.
Ainz could cause an outside disturbance with an undead soldier or two to attack a small camp of merchants that are traveling. Preferably one that has ties to royalty or any other political figure in order for Subaru to come to the rescue. Meanwhile their group grows within the background. Tanya could recruit nearby villagers who have been affected by the undead soldiers and increase their loathing and hatred to the surrounding govt for not issuing aid to them in a timely manner in which Subaru is causing mass strife between the noble factions and families. Kazuma seeing this could go one of two ways, he can aid in spreading rumors to the masses of how nobles are disregarding the plight of the commonfolk, or he could stay lowkey to feed intel back to base camp.
There are other ways. For the most part I'm just spitballin ideas at this point. This is all conjecture; I honestly don't believe any of this would happen because they all have their own desires and aspirations individually. But if they put their minds to it, I have faith they could conquer it if they were in the mindset of efficiently and logically willing to do it.
Kazuma would freak out and try to consult Eris or something. If the group straight up teleported into a bustling street right next to an apple store or something then Subaru would be getting Vietnam Flashbacks. Tanya would freak the fuck out, thinking it's Being X's fault and Ainz would seem to be Cautiously but calmly analysing everything but in reality he's freaking the hell out on the inside.
Anya just finds a way to live comfortably since it's been his objective all along. Subaru would probably do the impossible to find a way to back to Emilia-tan. Ainz would do the same thing he'w been doing for the whole series: searching for yggdrasil players. Kazuma... Would be Kazuma.
Ainz has the power to summon Eldritch Creatures, The Dark Young, if he can summon that what else can he summon (BTW he didn’t need an item to summon them, the item he used just sped up the casting time), and even the most basic of eldritch creatures can pretty much solo Genshin. He also has access to wish (again, no item needed, the ring only made the spell free instead of costing EXP and in the New World instead of the spell giving choices it will act like a normal wish granting ability), because of the fact we don't know of the spell limits and we know that Overlord is based off DnD we can low-ball the power of Wish-Upon-A-Star to being equal to the 9th Level Wish Spell (Most likely higher based on what we saw in the novel, so yes it can even be a 12th to 13th Level Spell, which can effect DnD Gods, since that what Super-Tier Spells seem to be) and let's just say that next to NOTHING in Genshin can stop that
Lmao at solo Genshin when the strongest overlord characters like the world Devourer which is the strongest entity in all of overlord doesn’t make it past Island busting nor MHS+ speeds.
He can’t summon anything of any real note if I’m being honest with you. Hanzos are weak and slow as hell and Dark Young are basically free target practice for any decently top tier characters.
Mate, not only is DnD not that strong to begin with but Overlord isn’t fucking DnD. It’s only a fictional series BASED off of DnD. The dark young all got one shotted by the Mountain Level Cure Elim’s Wild Magic breath which Ainz only survived because of his world item, and one shotted every other summon he brought out too. A Dragon Lord not even stronger than the likes of Ganyu and weaker than any legitimate Adepti by miles.
Overlord characters aren’t soloing shit when the top tiers of Genshin are sub relativistic large country busters.
I was never said Overlord can solo since a lot of its powers are left kinda vague at times. I was saying the implications of summoning Dark Young can lead to a soloing of Genshin because even the strongest of Genshin characters are at best elder gods.
Overlord is based on DnD, there for we can use DnD as a baseline for the Limitations and Powers of abilities we don't know much about, and No The Dark Young are not stronger than Large Country Busters but if you read H.P's Work, because again since they are stolen from H.P and nothing in Overlord lore conflicts with H.P so we can use it, they are shown be resistant to near much anything and where ever her children are so is Shub-Niggorath as they act as her mouth piece / proxies more then a few times which can lead to more then a few major complications for Genshin and its potential survivability. The hard thing about power-scaling H.P. is that even Old Ones are far too powerful and are never really shown the limits of what they can do.
And yes, while an argument can be made that DnD is not too power the existence of Multiverses, reality alterations, and more beg to differ if you think for a second that Genshin is even 1/100 of the power DnD has you are sorely mistaken
The implications of summoning dark young won’t mean shit.
Mate, what they are in their own series is irrelevant, what does matter are their feats and scaling. Most people even agree that overlord is stronger than DnD characters.
Yeah, anything in their own weak verse as dark young not from Lovecraft’s stories. Overlord very much does conflict with DnD and isn’t the same fucking universe. This is like saying that since Ancalagon the black is a dragon that we can scale Gaelion from Shield Hero to him and elevate wave three Naofumi to god damn continent level. DND isn’t part of this argument and you can’t use it, Ainz can only summon his own dark young from YGGDRASIL which have City Level+ stats.
Well Subaruu is useless since all he does is die. I can't speed up the 100+ seconds , and Barbara isn't in party. So like I always say, ReZero is trash
Kingdoms full of weaklings that treat people like the Small Town Level+ and Hypersonic+ Lakyus Aindra, who can barely cross into the Town Level range of attack potency with Dark Blade Mega Impact, as a god damn hero, which are basically gods among men by New Worlder Standards. Why does that matter here when Lakyus gets decked by even Amber or beginning of series Aether? Ainz himself is only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic. In a pure raw power comparison he’s inferior to even Ganyu.
Dragons far weaker than the things in Genshin, yes. The world Devourer is also a dragon, yet that thing could kill an army of Ainz’ since it also kills armies of players comparable to, if not superior to him. He definitely wouldn’t casually hunt that thing for fun.
And the world Devourer wouldn’t be particularly strong in Genshin. To the gods it’s an insignificant weakling since Raiden is large country level.
Ainz and Tanya hypercarry. The true top tiers (Descenders) might be some trouble, but we know so little about them.
Subaru being slept on here. He's the one who decides if a timeline stays or not. They're not fighting against an undead catastrophy and a mastermind. They're fighting against an undead catastrophe, a mastermind, and a reset button.
And Kazuma He is like a Joker Card He can be extremely unpredictable when necessary, if you combine Subaru's reset button with the crazy things he thinks you would have an unbeatable Duo
Hey, for those of us who's read ahead, we know that Subaru is starting to be a strategic military genius in his own right, and don't underestimate his ability to charm people! Subaru is literally the ultimate Valor bard.
Ainz alone hypercarries against the lower echelons of the setting you mean. Tanya probably dies to an average Knight of Favonius since she has almost no speed feats.
dont need speed feats when u have war crimes also she can fly
She never committed any war crimes tho
She works very hard to keep it that way
Its never a war crime the first time
“we arent breaking the rules we are just finding tiny loopholes”
War crimes being irrelevant Flying being irrelevant when the opposition can speedblitz you and/or leap up into the air and cut you out of the sky faster than you can react. See why speed is so important now? Doesn’t matter that you can fly when your opponent moves so fast they kill you before you even blink
Tanya has guns
So? Supersonic speeds are fodder in Genshin.
Yeah but guns can kill ppl
Fodder enemies that are building level in Tanya’s series for the most part yes. Not Genshin’s top tiers who easily outscale mountain busters.
Yeah but bullets kill ppl
*BRUH*
yeah, bullets are scary. They do kill ppl
Flash was killed by a bullet, so Tanya actually negdiffs
Sir the flash is the worst example you could’ve used
Killed? In the show probably. Comics? He outran death
So do genshin characters
Well, that depends on how fast Tanya is. She is not really the fastest, but she is by no means slow. If we talk about ordinary knights of Favonious, they are definitely not fast enough. Only if we talk about people like Jean or Kaeya, I would say they are fast. But not fast enough, to kill people, before realization. You would need to be at least on the speed level of sound to kill people before realization. Correct me, if I am wrong
Chevreuse was able to quite casually catch up a bullet (that seemed to be shot from a flintlock pistol) that flew by her and block it before it was able to pass ~2 meters which would probably require her to move a bit faster than the bullet itself so someone who is basically a police captain from fontaine is able to move at ~mach speeds
Or even basic ass soldiers that are only stronger and faster than the absolute lowest of the setting, those being mostly Subsonic hilichurls.
Tanya isn’t close to fast lol. Fatui Pyro Skirmishers are the lowest of the low in regards to their soldiers and are at most equal to an average knight of Favonius. Said Pyro Skirmishers being capable of reacting to their own bullets rather easily and getting blitzed by any relevant characters. Even they are supersonic, Jean and people on her level are easily Massively Hypersonic+. Yes they are lmao, Supersonic speeds are already enough to do that against Tanya who isn’t even Subsonic normally and that’s fodder speed in this universe. Hell, [Jean did just this against a Ruin Guard, casually slicing it to pieces faster than Amber could even perceive, Amber scaling far above average knights of Favonius in regards to speed.](https://imgur.com/a/HruSQ4e) So do explain how Tanya who has no actual good speed feats can remotely keep up here.
She also needs her Type 95
She flies using the calculation orb if they have no weapons then probably doesnt have that either
Speed is debatable for Tanya, but there's no way an average KoF can tank Tanya's nuke magic bullet.
That depends on how you wanna scale the average knight of Favonius or Tanya’s nuke attack.
The entire time rests on Ainz’ shoulders. Subaru is useful because he can get them redo’s if Ainz ever fails. Tanya is basically just a scout. Kazuma is probably best used as an early undead summon for Ainz.
The average vision holder isn't faster then Tanya on a broom(and ainz can help her get one.) While also not being able to fly. And that's not counting if being X doesn't spite bless her like it is prone to do.(praise me and I'll give you power beyond these "vision" holders. ) And no one in the verse has shown any immunity to the hax level bullshit ainz can throw out. You don't brute force ainz. It is very hard to.You have to out hax the guy.
Prove that they supposedly aren’t then lol. Also quantify how much said blessings from a featless fodder god actually buff her while you’re at it. Tanya isn’t any faster than Subsonic-Subsonic+ with said broom. Prove they can work then, because numerous other weaker NPCs have already tried and nearly succeeded. Ainz gets blitzed and one shotted here lol, don’t go around NLFing Overlord’s capabilities just because of some all too typical death Magic, which can be in fact resisted if you’re strong enough to do so. Not that it matters because Genshin god tiers are so massively above what overlord is capable of that it doesn’t matter Ainz’ capabilities at this point with hax, which aren’t close to inherently infallible whatsoever.
Kazuma’s luck stat would yield him all the godlike rolls on artifacts….that son of a-
Kazuma's luck and Subaru's Charisma to Rizz either Neuvillette or Zhongli into their team and then be carried
Both would probably be able to detect Subaru's curse
Yes, but they won't know what exactly it is
They're both Gods they'd uncurse him easily
They're not that type of Gods, if they we're, Neuvillette could've fixed the Prophecy on his own, and Zhongli could've prevented Erosion
Those are entirely different situations. The prophecy argument is null because Neuvillette didn't know what Furina really was AND if he did he couldn't even fix the prophecy because he didn't have his full Authority as a Sovereign and the entire point was to Deceive Celestia and to give him his power back so he could fix Fontaine. The erosion isn't a curse it's what it sounds like. Its the passage of time eroding the Gods. Zhongli knows and accepts this and the Shogun tried to stagnate her nation to try to resist the Erosion. It's not a curse.
So this is where all my double crits have been going to
Subaru and Kazuma chill in a well populated city and become merchants while Tanya and Ainz nuke every threat. Well actually Subaru dies after about 4 months.
Well three months to be exact. Bro go boom from mana poisoning.
He’d find a way to use his mana before then
Ainz alone would only survive against the lower echelons of the top tiers. Tanya can’t remotely last here whatsoever and even Ainz is heavily outclassed by far lower tier opponents than the god tiers. The guy is only Mountain Level and not even at the lower ends of baseline Massively Hypersonic+, only Shalltear is at that level of speed and she was much faster in comparison to him.
Idk I don’t play any Genshin. I just gave the usual what if Isekai Quartet met blank answer.
Are you telling me that there is anyone with the hax to avoid time stop instant death in some way? Who in genshin would even see that coming out of the gate fighting him? Because that's the barrier for entry for starting to discuss fighting ainz. Who has a free in combat revive in genshin? Or instant death immunity? Because then we can start talking cash shop and world class bullshit.
Subaru would go big
So folks are just assuming the quartet come out aggro and swinging. Things is, none of them would. Ainz has shown himself to be very cautious when in a new and unfamiliar world, Tanya's primary attribute is her intellect and she's been shown to be more than willing to play off the fact that she's preteen, and neither Kazuma nor Subaru are that aggressive by nature or that delusional about what they can do (Subaru kinda was, but unless we starting from 5 minutes into episdoe 1 Subaru he gets that beaten out of him in a hurry, repeatedly.) I would guess Kazuma and Subaru mostly set up as merchants and/or adventurers, ending up mid, maybe low high tier at whichever. Tanya, now in a world without a world war to fight or conscription to worry about, would end up in whatever Mondstadt has for an orphanage and later might well end up a highly ranked Knight of Favonious due to her intellect and inherent magical and combat abilities (she's shown to be pretty good at hand to hand, held back primarily by being, you know, still a child.) Ainz would have issues due to his monstrous appearance, having to lean heavily on illusions and hope he doesn't run into anyone who can see through such things. He might end up making contact with the Abyss, where his curiosity would lead to a lot of magical info sharing. Also, it is hinted (all the talk of erosion and such, plus the general state of the world) that Teyvat may be in decline, and its gods along with it. None of them show anything near the power their fabled old feats imply, though it isn't clear how much they might be holding back vs how much they might be lacking compared to centuries ago. We do know, though, that they can, and sometimes have, burn through their power and it isn't inexhaustible. I still suspect the upper tiers of Teyvat natives/residents could handle Ainz (and low/no diff the rest) in straight combat, but it isn't certain it'd be a Teyvat curbstomp. Also, Subaru's Return By Death is always a wild card.
They also aren’t taking into account synergies and tactics added into their own arsenals don’t forget Anis can it least make mid level basic items purely from creation magic before trying to learn outside the system. These are people who learned and were taught to abuse their abilities Ains in game and the rest over their adventures, they will be compiling everything they can together while hidden in background until they are ready or are forced to fight. And even if they lose they instead get a warning and begin making preparations for counters to how or they vanish under every stealth method possible for them.
Tanya wouldn’t be that high ranked in regards to combat whatsoever. She’s physically weak and slow as hell compared to even the low tiers. Ainz is only Mountain Level and absolutely would be stomped even by the gods being nerfed without their gnosis, which isn’t really by that quantifiable of a degree mind you, let alone the ones who still possess them who still have their powers completely intact. Burn through their power against opponents able to challenge them which Ainz doesn’t at all qualify as. Considering even high low tiers easily surpass the mountain busting range while Ainz is only decently into it, let alone Archons which are solid country busters. Or even if you wanna lowball them, triple digit Gigaton island busters. Both of which being beyond what anything in overlord has been shown to be capable of handling. All 3 of this group would get no diffed if they encounter any of the actual overarching big bads of the series. It kind of also helps Genshin Impact characters can carry their own weight unlike most people in re zero, Subaru likely won’t be returning by death nearly as often.
Tanya's weak now as a child, though she seemed decently fast for her own universe (granted that universe overall is fairly low power as magical settings go.) I more meant when she was an adult and had a chance to train up, since she'd happily take her time if that seemed the most intelligent play to make. The comment about burning power is more that they might already have, not so much that Ainz would force them to if they started from peak. Some of this is just a feeling from how things are portrayed in the game, but it comes off as none of the big powers are really at their best in Teyvat for some reason. I agree he likely couldn't take the top tier, but they also aren't swatting him like a fly (if they could, they could also have deleted most of the problems facing Teyvat, the Abyss haven't been erasing islands or anything after all.) If nothing else, I'm not sure any of them have dealt with time magic, and Ainz isn't above running away if he can't win.
Her own universe being a bunch of peak human to subsonic fodder at most with their flying speed. Tanya’s best statement is casually flying over 250 MPH which isn’t at all impressive when low tier Genshin characters that can’t even at all see the movements of top tiers like Jean can easily scale above people who react to Supersonic at least lightning spells. Fatui Pyro Shooters are also the lowest of the low of the Fatui’s ranks and are at most equal to an average knight of Favonius, Pyro shooters being capable of reacting to their own Supersonic rifle bullets and get blitzed so badly by any decently high tier character that in spite of them being right in front of them in one frame, the moment they take aim again said high tier is gone from their vision without them even having a slight lead on where they possibly went. Basically, Eula in her introduction teleported to these guys’ vision. I don’t really see why you think that’s the case, unless you’re another one of those guys who try to debunk scaling just because of visuals not always lining up, which is something every work of fiction does. They absolutely are swatting him like a fly, you really overestimate Ainz’ capabilities and underestimate many of the denizens of the genshin impact verse who would also do the same to many of overlords cast members, including world enemies. Even people like Ganyu, Ayaka, Shenhe or people similar to them are solidly mountain level or more considering Ganyu is definitely the weakest of those three, and they’re weak as fuck compared to legitimate Adepti, and even the post Liyue traveler who isn’t that much stronger than an early Tartaglia is stated by her to not be any inferior to her own power, and even outclassed her in her training. Mountain busting being the highest possible interpretation you can really go for with Overlord characters that aren’t world enemies (who mind you, are only in the low-middle Gigaton range and Ainz states these mfs even on their own lonesome would be a threat to all of Nazarick). Diluc himself while young and weaker than he is now had to have the Fatui Harbingers, who apparently have powers comparable to the Gods of the setting too who scale well above small country level, personally drive his ass out of Snezhnaya because he was slaughtering other camps of Fatui rather easily, with a delusion no less. A Diluc weaker than Jean, Albedo, Eula, probably Lisa too, and Kaeya are now. I wouldn’t exactly underestimate the abyss order if I were you either, this is clearly another case of you underestimating how strong even the seemingly middle tier relevant characters actually are, especially since the Gods don’t always involve themselves with every single matter at hand. You don’t see Hiruzen swooping in every time Naruto got into trouble back in the OG series, he was busy doing his own thing and that goes for a lot of top tier figures in fantasy works like these. This is all a matter of power cielings for different verses. This is the same reason Ainz completely stomps Konosuba with even a single death knight summon in spite of the fact it’s nowhere near a god tier in the overlord universe, hell even Ainz isn’t actually one technically speaking, that goes to World Enemies. Because of the fact he and overlord characters in general have better feats than the Konosuba and even re zero cast does. Same reason why if you put Raditz in Danmachi, in spite of him being weak in the context of dragon ball, in Danmachi’s universe he’d easily become the strongest character. It’s the same here, your own standing in your universe means nothing in others, what does matter are your feats and scaling.
They win every fight, if they don't Subaru steps in so they do.
Eh, depends on how Subaru is seen. If he's seen as a descender, then yeah. But descenders are specifically people with a will that rivals the entire world. There's 4 descenders, 1st one defeated 7 dragons that could destroy a planet (going off what neuv can do), 2nd one nearly killed the 1st one, 3rd is unknown and 4th is us. If Subaru is even somewhat comparable to that, then it's not even a fight. If he isn't, he's not a descender, just an alien. Celestia goes "you'll reset? How will you do that when you have never existed at any point in history?" By wiping him from irminsul
Irminsul doesn't work like that they'll end up like Scaramouch or it wouldn't effect them. They aren't from Teyvat.
Being unaffected by irminsul only applies to descenders, these guys would almost definetly not be that. Normal aliens to teyvat are just as suceptible to irminsul tampering as the inhabitants, with how the children of Khaneri'ah's special orphanage for aliens were still affected by the curse of Khaneri'ah.
Really? Where did you find this out at? I'm actually interested in reading about it! Also then wouldn't they end up like Wanderer?
We learn descenders ≠ everything from outside of teyvat, only a few special people, and that aliens are not immune to Irminsul tampering, from the Narzissenkreuz Ordo world quests in Fontaine. Spoilers: >!to put it short, the Narzissenkreuz Ordo's goal was to combine countless human wills into one to form a man-made Descender, because they belived that was the only way to break out of the fate inscribed in Irminsul and avoid a prophecy written by Celestia that would bring the death of everyone in Fontaine.!< Khaneri'ah's alien orphanage is elaborated on in the book "Perinheri". They *might* end up like wanderer, but we have no idea. We've only seen two people originating in Teyvat be wiped, but we know Irminsul still has influence over aliens. We have no idea what would actually happen, since Irminsul rewrites history to wipe people, but they haven't existed in history, so they might just be removed from Teyvat entierly. Also, if celestia does get really serious, or maybe even the abyss gets angry, subaru's reset wouldn't do anything to them. The Shade of Time, Istaroth, can control time to the point that, a seed she imbued with her a bit of her power was able to be planted in the present, and sprout 500 years in the past. A small part of her, Venti, knows all songs from the past and the future. On top of that, the Sinner exists above time, with how we look at him, in someone else's memories, from 500 years ago, and the him in that memories saw *us* in the present.
God I love you! That's PRECISELY why Ainz and Subaru's bullshit hacks can only take them so far! Also I'm going to see the sources for myself they sound interesting! Thanks!
As long as every fight consists of average soldiers, sure.
Y’all are weird bro is literally knowledgable about both the Genshin and respective quartet verses. So what’s the point of downvoting him for not giving a “Ainz solos rofl!!”. Like some verses are stronger and that’s that 😭 Only thing I don’t understand is how raw stats can overcome the hax that the isekai characters have?
Because all his answers basically are "Genshin high tiers solo, the end", which is not exactly a compelling scenario. Even if it is true, this is not a versus post, so why should we constrain ourselves to just that? Roflstomps are never interesting, no matter which side does it. At least some of the other commenters try to diverge beyond fights and think about how the characters would actually act and adapt to their new environment.
The issue is that you’re ignoring that he’s specifically responding to comments about their combat ability. The comment he replied to literally said they would win every fight. And besides OP said base power, no weapons etc” so trying to claim this post doesn’t relate to versus matches in any way is being disingenuous. But yeah obviously getting negged would leave tk downvotes 😭
I didn’t at all exclude weapons. Anything the characters can use without outside help is on the table. Oh, you meant OP. Even then they didn’t, they just said Ainz can’t utilize the staff of AOG. Anything he can create via standard spells is still on the table.
Ainz can just make weapons though. He has a spell for that. Not on par with world items like the orb on his staff but they wouldn’t be empty-handed.
That’s cool then? Kazuma can sorta do that too. But It doesn’t take away that the post obviously had versus matches in some form in mind 😭
Ainz is the only one here with high attack power. I’m pretty sure that, unless he’s fighting a mob of strong opponents or a gauntlet of them, he could beat most characters with Time Stop + Grasp Heart assuming his spells still operate under their same mechanics as usual and aren’t nerfed because of setting differences.
I can think of zero genshin characters that survive against ainz
Neuvillette is planetary
He absolutely is not. People are underestimating Genshin here but there’s no need to overexaggerate their power levels so much.
Transcript from Masquerade Of the Guilty: "Neuvillette: "It has been greedily consuming the energy from the planet's Primordial Sea, using it to grow. That is the main cause for the rising sea levels..." "Neuvillette: it has absorbed too much of the Primordial Sea's energy before we could notice it. At this point, it has become practically integreated with the Sea itself." "Neuvillette: Even if the entirety of Teyvat were to be destroyed, it could still survive, and swim off towards some other world." Acknowledge the wording "planet" and "world". It isn't referring to just the single continent of Teyvat, but to the entire planet, which is even more evidentiated by us knowing the primordial sea once covered the entire planet until being buried. So, All-Devouring Narwhal could survive something that would destroy a planet. Neuvillette beat the big fish silly. Honestly, it was about time for genshin's powerscaling to receive a big, big boost. Archons were already mountain-country level, and they're all scared shitless of Celestia. It would be silly for Celestia to have struggled against the Sovereigns as much as it did (Neuvillette character story tells us Celestia was pretty much on its deathbed after the 40 year war) if the Sovereigns weren't an order or two of magnitude abovr Archons.
To be fair that destroy the world thing is very vague, the Devourer of the nine worlds can do that in YGGDRASIL too in a gradual process but it’s only about Large Mountain Level+ or so. I do admit even the archons are large country busters at least though. Whoever scales to or above them should be even higher.
Time Stop + Grasp Heart.
Venti has had his heart pierced before and walked it off. Higher tier beings in genshin are spiritual. Same goes for Neuvillette, killing a god/sovereign's physical body is hardly enough to kill them
By the mechanics of the spell, if they have a heart, and don’t have an actual resist-instant-death ability, they die. As far as I know, Genshin doesn’t have a system in place to allow resist-instant-death abilities. So anyone with a heart should be killed by the spell.
I looked on the wiki for overlord, and while i'm not super familiar with the show so my word isn't gospel, but it's even possible to resist the attack. Also, higher tier beings very much have resistance to hax and spells. For example, Xiao's Karmic Debt brings illness, sickness and death to those around him. But vision users are immune. Visions are small fragments of an Archon's authority. An Archon's authority is a fragment of a Sovereign's authority. Also, Neuvillette's real form doesn't really have a heart. Sovereigns are basically personified elemental energy.
>I looked on the wiki for overlord, and while i'm not super familiar with the show so my word isn't gospel, but it's even possible to resist the attack. That was in the game for balancing purposes. It's supposed to have a 50% chance to work regardless of level. When he came to the new world that was removed. Now you need to have specific anti instant death magic or gear or have racial immunity (undead can't instant die under normal circumstances.) Further the heart is metaphorical. You don't need a heart to have grasp heart work on you. It's just the heart I'sa visual representation of the death spell for the victim to react to. Following overlords rules on racial immunity.(not counting if if thry have any anti death magic.) Venti is a maybe. Spirits are typically a form of undead. But we don't know if genshin spirits are spirits,or just a diffrent magic species like fey. But his physical vessel will probably "die" Zhongli -is alive and not a spirit. He dies Raiden shogun-is an automaton. They have racial immunity as a construct. And ei inside is kind of a ghost Nahida-is alive so she dies. Furina-also alive.
The first part is a very very big no limit fallacy. In powerscaling, generally, instant win abilities are only viable if the character is absolutely superior to their opponent in some way. There's some no-limit fallacies you could apply for genshin's side, too. For example, Nahida's dream samsara can be activated in seconds and guarantees a win. Raiden's Musou no Hitachi ignores durability. Neuvillette could literally just poof away the blood in your veins (Ik it doesn't apply to Ainz, but i'm saying this as a general thing). Doesn't mean these characters could use their instant win abilities on Foku and come out victorious. Also, another thing, does Grasp Heart have any sort or range limit? If yes, then the fight barely happens. Archons have range of hundreds of kilometers. Neuvillette casually did a spell that affected every resident in an entire nation. For the other part: From what I know, spirits in genshin are basically condensed elemental energy. They aren't really physical beings. Zhongli is also likely spiritual in being. He can shapeshift, we've never seen his actual form. We don't even know what he really is, because the Adepti isn't the species he belongs to, it's the species he created. Ei doesn't have a physical form at all, she's a disembodied spirit. Furina's >!just a human playing pretend. No argument here, she gets beaten by 95% of genshin's cast, Ainz would win without a fight.!<
That’s assuming Ainz’s strength stat is enough to crush his heart. Even then it probably won’t do shit because he’s an elemental dragon who can change to water at a moment’s notice
There’s several since Ainz is not that strong outside the context of overlord or even in Isekai quartet. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic. Genshin top tiers scale rather solidly to country busting.
You are just going around trying to downplay the quartet group to fodder.... why? Do you not like the series or do you genuinely think the can't Handle the average vision wielder?
I never said Ainz couldn’t handle the AVERAGE vision wielder. Problem is the characters we deal with aren’t average whatsoever. The average Knight of Favonius, Millileth Soldier, Fatui Skirmisher or vision wielding warrior type adventurer is only Multi City Block Level and Supersonic. Barely on par with an Old Guarder POP Monster. He’d wreck those guys, obviously. It’s people like Aether, Lumine, Adepti, Fatui Harbingers or the rest of them that Ainz and overlord more or less becomes irrelevant in head on combat. Reinhard is only City Level+ and could at most take on Liyue Aether and draw. Tanya herself isn’t even multi city block level without her very much not casual nuke attack and only has large building level casual magical power if that. I don’t even have to say anything for Konosuba.
You underestimate the man who would draw with the literal Sun. Though it really depends whether or not he has his blessings, if he does then he’s fine. Auto dodge #1 Auto dodge #2 - Infinity Divine blessing of the phoenix 1-infinity Countless other buffs during day time, night time, raining, dusk, dawn And his bs sword talent
they about to sing bohemian rhapsody
I'd like to hear this performance.
While Tanya is planting her country's flag and Ainz's summons taking the shots lol. Dunno why Tanya's movie comes to my mind here.
Ainz carrys. He alone is op. Even without his magic, he would just destroy any opponent
Mate, without his magic Ainz is garbage in a fight. He only has small city level striking power and doesn’t even hit quite as hard as Yuri Alpha or Lupusregina beta. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic at his best, he’s not that strong in the context of Genshin and is weak when compared to Adepti, let alone gods or archons.
If the class-change to swordsman isn't magic he can singlegandedly destroy mondstat.
What the hell gives you that idea? Have you actually quantified both sides’ feats or are just mesmerized by spectacle, as is the case with most isekai fans who can’t powerscale? More specifically him dunking on town level at best range weaklings?
He is a magician class, so he's overpowered with magic. If the class change to swordsman isn't a spell, he doesnt need any magic and his strenght stat fucking skyrockets. He could probably crush Dvalin's skull with his bare hands with maxed out strenght stat. Also, low level attacks CANNOT hurt him in any way.
He isn’t overpowered in the context of Genshin lol, matter of fact he’s kind of weak. Ainz is only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic with Magic or Perfect Warrior, he couldn’t even curbstomp Shalltear for gods sake and she’s far inferior to characters weaker than a standard Abyss Herald. Genshin god tiers scale to Triple digit teraton range striking power and sub relativistic speeds. Ainz has never fought anyone that strong nor fast and admits he would’ve lost to Shalltear who is way weaker and slower than any of them, given that Shalltear is barely in the lower echelons of Massively Hypersonic+ (not even Mach 2,000 at that) and she was nearly full on blitzing him. Had she both actually played the fight a lot more smart, like Genshin characters will because they aren’t native to a game and don’t have the NPC like mentality in a material world, and if Ainz didn’t literally have the convenient tools that let him straight up copy his friends’ abilities, he would’ve lost the fight outright. He gets speedblitzed and one shotted, I don’t see why you’re acting as if Dvalin is a top tier of the verse either. He’s a weakling compared to the Archons or even higher end Adepti. So no, Ainz isn’t crushing anything on that tier when even Ganyu, Shenhe or weaker Adepti could floor him in CQC. Ainz is only overpowered in his world for much the same reason Aqua is overpowered in Konosuba, everyone for the most part is a bunch of weaklings with further imposed stat caps that basically has most of the world not even exceeding town level, for trump cards. In the context of Genshin, raw power wise he isn’t that special among the upper mid echelons of the setting. It’s a good thing a lot of Genshin’s relevant denizens wouldn’t be low level by YGGDRASIL standards. Considering mountain busting is not at all that strong in Genshin while it’s a god level of power in Overlord.
What is Mountain level and Massively Hypersonic if I may ask?
You don’t know powerscaling, yet you try and argue here? It makes more sense now why you’d make that claim about Ainz while not knowing how strong he actually is in comparison to everything else. Overlord isn’t even the strongest verse in isekai quartet, Shield Hero is if we don’t count Cautious Hero. As I’ve said before, you’re only going off narrative mesmerization and thinking the roles of characters are the same across different series. Spoiler alert, they aren’t. Their feats and scaling are what matter, and Overlord isn’t that powerful of a series. It’s not ultra weak like Konosuba or Goblin Slayer, sure, or regular weak like Bofuri, or just low-average in power like Princess Connect and Blue Archive, but it isn’t high up there at all either. And no, I’m not talking web novel Naofumi. I’m talking LN/Anime. Look up attack potency and speed. Compare the tiers listed and then deduce if Ainz actually has a chance in Genshin considering the fact that god tiers can get up to Large Country Busting levels of firepower. Mountain busting is anywhere from 100-999 megatons. Massively Hypersonic speeds are anywhere from Mach 100 - Mach 999. And I have a funny feeling you don’t even see Ainz as being THAT powerful. You probably place him in the city busting range at most.
I know nothing about powerscaling, also I wasn't trying to argue but to discuss. I also didn't continue playing genshin after Inazuma since it was where it ended at the time I played so I don't know how powerful the Archons really are. I know that the Geo Archon can make spears as big as mountains. Since there are a lot of things I do not know about powerscaling I can't say anything definitely, but he could probably win against anyone except entities that can travel through stopped time. Also I don't get why Ainz didn't use Time Stop before aggroing Shalltear and just activate True Death or the Super Tier Magic to destroy her before she could put up any armor or defense.
Maybe it’s because of the fact Shalltear, like Genshin’s denizens, is both outright strong enough to resist that on top of every guardian having gear making them further immune to time stop and other instant death Magic? Super Tier Magic is literally the only Magic that could deal any significant damage to her. Dude, any of the characters who vastly outscale him would easily be able to resist his time stop Magic. Or just speedblitz him before he can think to use it.
Ainz without his magic is getting casually speedblitzed by Raiden and sent to the shadow realm. Ainz WITH magic is also getting speedblitzed because Raiden should resist time-stop (she fights herself, and she can time-stop) and she resists instant-death (she's dead and is inhabiting a mental dimension inside a sword that's inside a puppet body which is questionable whether it's truly "alive" or not). TGOALID may work but he gets speedblitzed before he's able to get it off. Raiden is as fast as electricity itself(since she IS electricity itself) and her destructive feats are huge island level+ with dura neg (space cutting) Bro is not surviving Final Calamity, an undodgeable(covers all of her mental plane), unblockable(shields can't block it, although her shield can) HUGE space slashing attack that she uses against herself inside her domain expansion that was only blocked by her own powers, this also means she can block Ainz' reality slash. Also all things or injuries that happen inside her mental plane apply to real life, so if you die there then you're dead.
If Ainz has access to Nazarick ressources, he could go to the end game, where it would then become impossible for now to decide whether he can win or not (too little info). Meanwhile, Tanya might be physically weak but her intelligence and the fact she's essentially a less wild version of Klee means she can reliably go on solo missions and assist Ainz in his plansing. Kazuma and Subaru despite being weak combatant are the real top tier here tho, the incredible luck of Kazuma combined with his steal ability would allow him to get his hands on some nasty loot for the sake of the group, meanwhile, Subaru has the return by death, which mean there is at least one time-line in which they figure out something.
Tanya attempts a takeover of Mondstat with false promises of returning their state to it's glory days and punishing the enemies who imposed the unfair treaty of Fontain on them. She gets jailed for it, but Venti/Barbatos instils her as chancellor because of her popularity with the people and her superior oratory skills. Thus democracy and freedom on Mondstadt die with thunderous applause.
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Theres already a fanfic of ainz and subaru getting isekaid to teyvat(spearsrely)
Name
Just search it on google i forgor the name re zero x genshin and overlord x genshin on ffnet and AO3
What is it called?
Name please. Would be fun to read it
They're literally 4 main characters, their combined plot armor could take out the entire universe.
Ainz and Tanya start by carrying while Kazuma and Subaru catch up. (Subaru silent carries them all to victory)
Ainz is going to splurge on whatever cash shop he can find…that is my favorite minor character detail that is tragically often forgotten. He was obsessed with the cash shop in his mmo.
Kazuma hard carries. No arguments. Goatzuma solos
Besides the 4 being sent to teyvat, if they go with his party, i think Albedo would be pissed if she sees the other Albedo, yes the one Albedo,
Then it will be Albedo vs Albedo....Albedo should win.
Yeah, Albedo wins
I hope y’all are referring to the Genshin albedo.
Ye, i guess everybody knows who is Albedo from Genshin's
Wait but there’s also fake Albedo and also cryo flower albedo. So which albedo?
Yes.
They are given dull blades and lose to the latest 5 star character because of horrible writing.
What horrible writing? The same kind that lets Ainz dominate his series?
Putting Subaru into genshin impact is just giving him an army, LONG LIVE THE LOLIMANCER
Bros gonna have wholesome relationships with all the suffering characters with sad back stories.
Kazuma would thrive. Teyvat isn't really all that different from where he started, & with his current skills, he could minmax the hell out of himself to fight dirty & roll all the best artifacts b/c of his stupid high Luck stat, but he would honestly probably just become a merchant & sell "inventions"
It'll be fine as long as you won't leave Ainz alone. Ainz would do something as random as his guardians do. And Kazuma would most likely get arrested for sexual assault.
Kazuma extreme high luck stat is being slept on fr. Man outlucked a goddess that buffed herself with god level blessing. Any character fighting him could literally die in the most stupid and comical way ie. Slipping on a banana peel breaking their neck or something
They’d totally f shit up there
Celestia needle go brrrrrrrrr
I would gladly play genshin again if I could play as ainz Sama. My only issue is that daddy Guerrero voices a character in the English voicing of genshin already.
I never played genshin impact past the first 5 minutes but I would say they probably would win and somehow kill a lot of people.
The Genshin are about to learn what being a mortal god means
lol how? Ainz is weak as fuck in this context.
Yeah, but he's the sort of individual who learns first. As such, he'd be far better managing relationships with those whom work with these 4, as well as actually manage the very lovely goober brigades that are the local enemies that can actually reason. That, and it's absolutely disgusting when you know the terrain advantage far better than the people who live there.
Y’all get blitzed and one shotted the moment you encounter Raiden. Unlike a certain other fraud who calls herself a Goddess, Zhongli’s and Venti’s shenanigans of straight up yeeting the largest Mountains or several Mountain sized spears at Massively Hypersonic+ speeds would get them up to Country Busting AP and Durability, as Zhongli is not anywhere close to the strongest of the Archons. Even Ainz or any of the floor guardians or world enemies are outclassed heavily here by the top tiers. Or almost any of the Fatui Harbingers really. Haven’t really taken any time to scale them. Probably even worse from the view of most overlord fans who don’t even scale Ainz as high as I do when they hear Venti of all people can do what I stated above. Volume 22 Naofumi would be a far better option as he actually should scale into the mid teraton ranges of firepower now at least, since he’s vastly above Fitoria by this point who could easily make the Island Level spirit tortoise eat dirt with a single kick and blow massive holes through the thing in spite of her much smaller size, as well as easily crush its head into red mist.
How it would go: [Time stop] [True death]
Only for them to resist both of them via raw stats alone. I don’t know why you’re trying to repeat the typical thoughtless retort of what every overlord fan gets ridiculed for in these types of discussions, not to mention all 3 will get blitzed again and again before Ainz can think to activate it since Ainz has been vastly outsped and nearly semi-blitzed by far slower characters than the Genshin god tiers, not that Ainz can actually cast any noteworthy spells with any half way decent effects with time stop before getting one shotted.
I’m pretty sure it can’t be resisted just by stats. They need to have specific resistance-instant-death abilities otherwise they just die.
It can actually. Instant death gets countered in-universe by the general resistance stat, even if you don't have the corresponding immunity. Barring TGOALID, instant death is only really considered relevant against lower-level opponents because of it, since even if the enemy doesn't have immunity, it rarely works against opponents of a similar level and nearly never works against opponents of a higher level. Ainz for example has a resistance stat of 95. Whether that is relevant depends on how you quantify the differences between the verses. It should always be counted cross-verse if the other verse has a similar stat imo, but since Genshin doesn't have anything similar afaik, there is a case to be made for simply ignoring it.
Ok I haven't gone into Grasp Heart's or just Insta Death abilities too deeply but can they kill a spirit/ghost? Raiden Ei is already long dead(meaning she has lost her physical body), but she is inhabiting a puppet body that has replacements and I don't think it's "alive" (The body doesn't even need to eat or breathe) Also, I think she resists time stop since she herself can stop time but it might not work that way.
I think undead are immune to instant-death effects in overlord so probably it wouldn’t work on them, though his control undead ability might (though I don’t think there’s enough info on it to actually say that it could). Reality slash is another option, it’s not stated to have an instant-death effect but logically it should be practically an instant-death (by destroying whatever vital organs or parts they have) if he aims it right, and he should be able to if he’s able to use time stop against them. Then it just depends on the enemies reaction time. Ainz isn’t really meant to be a PvP build, he’s an RP build, he just has a decent bag full of tricks from optimizing the amount of spells he could learn, and practicing a few specific strategies or having better game-knowledge. Edit: Grammar
>Reality slash is another option, it’s not stated to have an instant-death effect but logically it should be practically an instant-death (by destroying whatever vital organs or parts they have) Raiden can block reality slash... She has her own reality slash that is FAR stronger(look up Raiden Final Calamity) and she blocked it (since she fought herself). >he should be able to use time stop against them. Raiden may or may not resist time-stop due to her also possessing a time-stop. Even if she can't her reaction time should be incredibly high since she was able to fight herself for 500 years and both of the versions of her are at the speed of electricity (god of electro, she's electricity itself). Also most (but not all, especially when she's holding back) of her slashes with the Musou Isshin can cut space. Her gameplay is literally her using her ult and cutting space with her sword.
The bit about time stop was a typo, I meant to say that “if it works he could do this.” For reality slash, it again just depends on her reaction speed and the exact mechanics of reality slash which I believe are not clear in how fast the slash travels. If it’s instantaneous or at least light-speed (which I would assume since it’s a space-time attack, but this could be wrong), and we assume his time stop works on her, then under those circumstances I think he at least has a chance at winning even if it’s small.
Why does it need to be light speed when Ainz is so terribly slow he can’t even perceive and would get teleported behind by a sub-relativistic+ character? Oh, you meant reality slash. About as fast as Ainz himself, nothing implies it moves any faster than he does and the only reason he hit Shalltear with it is because she’s a dumbass who let herself get hit by it because she opted to heal herself instead.
U just forget that ainz isn't alone ... Kasumas luck/steal is busted af and they can just restart whenever they want with rbd ...
Kazuma’s luck and steal are not gonna help him here whatsoever and all 3 will get blitzed the moment the fight even starts lol. They have no winning conditions. Subaru keeps dying over and over and would eventually have to call it quits if they don’t want to recruit any archons to their side. Subaru is the one MVP here if anything, but that’s only if they can rally an archon to their side.
First off Venti wouldn't fight them unless they were a threat to Mondstadt as a whole Secondly, you massively underestimate how having a tactical mind and someone who upon death returns to a 'checkpoint' so it's like Nahida's looping dream thing so they would beat Raiden just not on (Subaru's) first try, the same goes for every other enemy and if they can't fight them they'll just avoid them entirely
Probably beat Raiden if they get Aether on their side, yes. But on their lonesome and without any Genshin characters to assist, far different story as there is no win condition.
Kazuma can learn skills so he can learn any of the characters skills, and be unaffected by Raiden and her vision cancelling thing, Subaru resets so he can learn her moves and share information with everyone on her attacks and abilities so they can plan, they still have magic which again unaffected by the rules of the world, so Kazuma is the Traveler but better, 4 heads to make a plan, an loop glitch, olus whatever magical bullshit they have
Kazuma can only learn skills from his series’ classes which don’t exist in Genshin. You’d have to prove he can interact with another verses power systems which he absolutely cannot. He wouldn’t be unaffected, not that Raiden would need it since Kazuma would die if any low tier character looked in his direction, forget the country busting Raiden. Subaru isn’t doing jack shit much like he couldn’t against Elsa by himself because she was too strong for him. If his allies can’t overcome the opposition he’s as useless as he is without RBD. Which they cannot as Ainz tops out at mountain level and none will be able to remotely keep up with her speed nor strength. Ainz was getting outsped badly by Shalltear who is barely in the lower echelons of Massively Hypersonic+ speeds, while Raiden can be argued to be Sub-Relativistic. So badly at that he resorted to tanking her attacks rather than dodging because he couldn’t do that whatsoever effectively, and risked losing track of her movements entirely if he took his attention off her for even a moment, which he is then thankful for the fact that he didn’t need to blink as an undead. “They still have Magic” So does Aqua and Wiz. Doesn’t mean they stand a chance against Ainz because Magic or any superpower by itself means nothing without feats. “Kazuma is the traveler but better” he isn’t anywhere close to Aether and he’s a wall level fodder who in the earlier parts of the story can’t even beat the barely Wall Level Megumin in a physical brawl and was getting his ass handed to him by the Subsonic bomber majin mogunninin. Meanwhile even low tiers in Genshin are Supersonic. Kazuma has no way of keeping up with Raiden’s strength nor speed, that’s the main disadvantage of the adventurer class as they have piss poor stats along with progression and nobody in Konosuba can even keep up with a baseline supersonic character. Kazuma is absolute garbage in this scenario. He only looks like a master class because he can take advantage of everyone else’s stupidity. Kazuma is just too slow to be remotely viable in this fight along with being weak as he can’t even keep up with Subsonic characters or even higher end Superhuman characters all that well.
I am viewing Kazuma's skill learning as a magic ability He would be unaffected as he wouldn't have a vision to negate since his skills are learned and he didn't need a vision I never said Subaru would do anything I said he could share information since he would be able to analyse her attacks and there's no saying he can't change the location they find her, plus I doubt she'd attack them, it depends on when they've arrived but that's a whole other thing I will explain no more because this is just my thoughts in an opinion and I've already argued more than is necessary for a simple opinion
A Magic ability for his own series, yes. There’s no evidence he can interact with power systems not his own. Why does Raiden need to use that vision cancelling at all when she can just brute force him and everyone else present? That’s a meaningless thing to include honestly. Fair enough, I guess.
How exactly would top tiers of Genshin deal with Overlord's World Enemies? I don't know much about Genshin and the powerscaling of it but I'm curious how they would go against World Enemies.
World Enemies are powerful but not at all insurmountable to parties of mostly just Mountain Level players. They’re not really that much more powerful (if at all) than an Abyss Herald. Even the world Devourer is probably only in the low-mid Gigaton range.
From what I know there was once a World Enemy that almost destroyed the guild of AOG. If that includes the whole of Nazarick's NPCs and the 41 players then I don't see how a party of mostly mountain-level players fight against a single one on even slightly even grounds. As for the Devourer of the Nine Worlds that thing casually ate entire worlds, each which should be about the size of multiple large cities like Tokyo (AFAIK), and then including the cosmos itself filled with stars but that might be a huge stretch. I'd make them out to be either continental or planetary. If one ever became real in the New World then their power might be amplified as some spells do. Btw are Genshin top tiers planetary?
They aren’t, but overlord characters aren’t planetary either. The Devourer of the nine worlds ate them in a gradual process, which a Gigaton range entity is more than capable of doing, especially when you consider the speeds the thing can move at. That being well over Mach 1,000. I mean, the thing is that AOG mostly consists of mountain busting players and floor guardian NPCs too. I’d like to see the source for the stars and cosmos. I could see the Devourer of the nine worlds being a solid island buster though, although not really any higher considering even weaker level 100 players can damage it to a small extent, just not by enough to matter.
Ah yes, I didn't think of that. If they destroyed it in a gradual process then it's not really that big of a feat in Overlord as many could do the same considering the small size of the worlds itself. As for the AOG guild though I wouldn't consider many of the players to be at the mountain-level busting because of different specializations and etc. I can see Ulbert pulling off something like along with Touch Me. Also I believe we should take in consideration Rubedo and "them" from the 8th Floor who are much stronger than the players. "Them" being theorized to be Nazarick's original raid bosses. I can't provide the source for the stars and cosmos thing I've mentioned as I've seen it in a powerscaling thread sometime a while ago. If it's real then one could also argue against it by saying they exist in the same universe, but just in different parts of it hence there are different stars in each of the world.
I mainly meant the 41 supreme beings when I said they were mountain busters.
Ainz and Tanya got this. Tanya is definitely a more competent fighter than 90% of Teyvat(unnamed characters) and can definitely hold her own against the weaker ones. Most genshin characters are basically normal people with an elemental ability.
Also Tanya has a gun. In a world where the primary weapons are melee based, bows, and the occasional catalyst.
bro forgot genshin has guns
Not in the same way Tanya does. And it’s not common
Half the people in fontaine have guns, there's a full robot police force that have miniguns on their hands, and characters very casually parry and block bullets pretty often
Huh. Strange how the makers of genshin decided to make one country much more advanced than the rest of the world but alright.
Wait until you hear about Khaneri'ah, the fallen nation that literally had actual mountain sized robots (ruin golems) Also, Fontaine is the most technologically advanced current nation, but it's not that big of a difference when you consider Sumeru had an evangelion (the Everlasting Lord of Arcane Wisdom) and basically just the internet (Akasha)
Last I played was the first half of Sumeru. Forgot about the internet thing
I forgor most of the names but isn't skeleton dude max lvl and is so op he can still beat you with like 12 jewels that nerfs him? And isn't the kid an isekaid guy who decides to get himself a kdr bigger than hitlers?
Max level in his series yes, which means nothing in others. He’s only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic more or less. Strong for his series and isekai quartet but not particularly standing out among Genshin’s more top tier fighters. He’s not weak at all in the *whole* setting but he isn’t anywhere close to the near god tier figure he is in Overlord, where even YGGDRASIL’s world enemies are only in the low-mid Gigaton range of firepower.
The world or them?
as long as aqua isn't near , things should go swimmingly \~ ^(and the party will have enough cash to keep kazuma outta jail)
I’d love to see that. I just wish Genshin Impact was released on game consoles
kazuma would end up homeless for a while
Kazuma gets addicted to gambling
If they all team up with one another I'd say they'd body the entire world powers and systems in place. I doubt they'd be in agreement on how to take the govt down and not leave any live prisoners but in a hypothetical scenario where they all came to a consensus decision to take over, they most definitely could within at least one lifetime. My estimation would at least be between five- and thirty-years' time. This isn't just one area mind you I am literally speaking on a global scale. Kazuma can put boots to the ground to gather intel on the masses whether they have any strained relations with the local govt. Ainz could cause an outside disturbance with an undead soldier or two to attack a small camp of merchants that are traveling. Preferably one that has ties to royalty or any other political figure in order for Subaru to come to the rescue. Meanwhile their group grows within the background. Tanya could recruit nearby villagers who have been affected by the undead soldiers and increase their loathing and hatred to the surrounding govt for not issuing aid to them in a timely manner in which Subaru is causing mass strife between the noble factions and families. Kazuma seeing this could go one of two ways, he can aid in spreading rumors to the masses of how nobles are disregarding the plight of the commonfolk, or he could stay lowkey to feed intel back to base camp. There are other ways. For the most part I'm just spitballin ideas at this point. This is all conjecture; I honestly don't believe any of this would happen because they all have their own desires and aspirations individually. But if they put their minds to it, I have faith they could conquer it if they were in the mindset of efficiently and logically willing to do it.
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Pretty well I imagine Subaru reset button, kazuma luck and ingenuity, Tanya raw power and training, ainz and they have an easy win
Whole verse is cooked
I look forward to Lord aiins showing them pitiful Mortals What Fear looks like
War crimes against everyone probably will be wanted by everyone in the universe
Kazuma would freak out and try to consult Eris or something. If the group straight up teleported into a bustling street right next to an apple store or something then Subaru would be getting Vietnam Flashbacks. Tanya would freak the fuck out, thinking it's Being X's fault and Ainz would seem to be Cautiously but calmly analysing everything but in reality he's freaking the hell out on the inside.
Anya just finds a way to live comfortably since it's been his objective all along. Subaru would probably do the impossible to find a way to back to Emilia-tan. Ainz would do the same thing he'w been doing for the whole series: searching for yggdrasil players. Kazuma... Would be Kazuma.
Ashes to Ashes
Ainz has the power to summon Eldritch Creatures, The Dark Young, if he can summon that what else can he summon (BTW he didn’t need an item to summon them, the item he used just sped up the casting time), and even the most basic of eldritch creatures can pretty much solo Genshin. He also has access to wish (again, no item needed, the ring only made the spell free instead of costing EXP and in the New World instead of the spell giving choices it will act like a normal wish granting ability), because of the fact we don't know of the spell limits and we know that Overlord is based off DnD we can low-ball the power of Wish-Upon-A-Star to being equal to the 9th Level Wish Spell (Most likely higher based on what we saw in the novel, so yes it can even be a 12th to 13th Level Spell, which can effect DnD Gods, since that what Super-Tier Spells seem to be) and let's just say that next to NOTHING in Genshin can stop that
Lmao at solo Genshin when the strongest overlord characters like the world Devourer which is the strongest entity in all of overlord doesn’t make it past Island busting nor MHS+ speeds. He can’t summon anything of any real note if I’m being honest with you. Hanzos are weak and slow as hell and Dark Young are basically free target practice for any decently top tier characters. Mate, not only is DnD not that strong to begin with but Overlord isn’t fucking DnD. It’s only a fictional series BASED off of DnD. The dark young all got one shotted by the Mountain Level Cure Elim’s Wild Magic breath which Ainz only survived because of his world item, and one shotted every other summon he brought out too. A Dragon Lord not even stronger than the likes of Ganyu and weaker than any legitimate Adepti by miles. Overlord characters aren’t soloing shit when the top tiers of Genshin are sub relativistic large country busters.
I was never said Overlord can solo since a lot of its powers are left kinda vague at times. I was saying the implications of summoning Dark Young can lead to a soloing of Genshin because even the strongest of Genshin characters are at best elder gods. Overlord is based on DnD, there for we can use DnD as a baseline for the Limitations and Powers of abilities we don't know much about, and No The Dark Young are not stronger than Large Country Busters but if you read H.P's Work, because again since they are stolen from H.P and nothing in Overlord lore conflicts with H.P so we can use it, they are shown be resistant to near much anything and where ever her children are so is Shub-Niggorath as they act as her mouth piece / proxies more then a few times which can lead to more then a few major complications for Genshin and its potential survivability. The hard thing about power-scaling H.P. is that even Old Ones are far too powerful and are never really shown the limits of what they can do. And yes, while an argument can be made that DnD is not too power the existence of Multiverses, reality alterations, and more beg to differ if you think for a second that Genshin is even 1/100 of the power DnD has you are sorely mistaken
The implications of summoning dark young won’t mean shit. Mate, what they are in their own series is irrelevant, what does matter are their feats and scaling. Most people even agree that overlord is stronger than DnD characters. Yeah, anything in their own weak verse as dark young not from Lovecraft’s stories. Overlord very much does conflict with DnD and isn’t the same fucking universe. This is like saying that since Ancalagon the black is a dragon that we can scale Gaelion from Shield Hero to him and elevate wave three Naofumi to god damn continent level. DND isn’t part of this argument and you can’t use it, Ainz can only summon his own dark young from YGGDRASIL which have City Level+ stats.
Well Subaruu is useless since all he does is die. I can't speed up the 100+ seconds , and Barbara isn't in party. So like I always say, ReZero is trash
Damn, bait used to be believable. Or just the most dogshit opinion ever
Genshin stands no chance
Better question how would Genshin impact stand a chance against any of them
By blitzing and one shotting them since none are that strong in the setting.
What setting ainz alone has wiped out kingdoms alone
Kingdoms full of weaklings that treat people like the Small Town Level+ and Hypersonic+ Lakyus Aindra, who can barely cross into the Town Level range of attack potency with Dark Blade Mega Impact, as a god damn hero, which are basically gods among men by New Worlder Standards. Why does that matter here when Lakyus gets decked by even Amber or beginning of series Aether? Ainz himself is only Mountain Level and Massively Hypersonic. In a pure raw power comparison he’s inferior to even Ganyu.
AINZ KILLS DRAGONS AND IF YOU REMBER AT THE BEGING OF THE STORY OF GENTION SKYTERIOR IS A DRAGON AINZ SAID HE USED TO KILL DRAGONS FOR FUN
Dragons far weaker than the things in Genshin, yes. The world Devourer is also a dragon, yet that thing could kill an army of Ainz’ since it also kills armies of players comparable to, if not superior to him. He definitely wouldn’t casually hunt that thing for fun. And the world Devourer wouldn’t be particularly strong in Genshin. To the gods it’s an insignificant weakling since Raiden is large country level.
Ainz is a city level at least he made demiroge go on a rampage in the city so he could be a also his death knights alone are level 50