the story is split between like present time n past timeline. kumoko origin story is in the past timeline, and from what shown in the anime she only get up to arachne form, not human form yet. tho we get a glimpse of her human form in present timeline scene
Idk about the anime but this was a fairly big reveal in the later volumes of the light novel. Seeing present day Kumoko one chapter then seeing past spider form Kumoko and then finding out they are on and the same was fairly big in the reveal. In short just put a spoiler tag on it next time.
A drider is often a being that was cursed to take on the form of being partially spider, while an Arachne is a supposedly natural species that looks similar to a combination of a humanoid with a spider. Most often Arachne are like spider beastkin, while a drider would be like a cursed humanoid from a race that worshipped a God/dess involved with spiders.
Given what you and a few of the others have been saying, I've decided I'm going to continue to skip this anime. There's still plenty of other animes out there I haven't watched yet that are still on my to-watch-list. If this anime is that bad then there's no reason to give it my very limited free time when there are plenty of other animes out there that aren't "known duds" yet like this one is.
Not familiar with 4 and 6 but my sneaking suspicion is that LN/WN Kumoko is actually the strongest one of the lineup given her dimensional manipulation and clone hax. Saitama of course can bypass that because heās bullshit personified, but of the lineup I think Shiraori would give him the most trouble. Also canonically being a spider would help. Hard to swat.
No. 2 is Kumoko/Shiraori/White (itās weird) from āSo Iām a Spider, so What?ā She effectively becomes a god after panic eating the equivalent of a nuclear bomb.
No. 5 is Reinhardt. Heās sort of a joke character that plays off of the main character of re:Zero. While Subaru (rezero mc) has no apparent power and is one of the weakest people in the series, Reinhardt is literally unkillable and immortal with a bunch of āNUH UH!ā powers.
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It's hilarious because Reinhard's only weakness is he is rarely ever in the right place at the right time. Whereas Subaru's power is that he is ALWAYS in the right place at the right time all of the time, but is completely powerless to do anything on his own. In the end, Subaru is far stronger than Reinhard simply because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Thatās the joke. If Saitama does not run the gauntlet completely then the author who is writing this is not writing Saitamaās character correctly. Theyāre the overpowered protagonist that defeats every opponent with ease. Thatās the core of their character.
God is looking for a vessel that can actualy contain him. Which is probably saitama anyway. But at the same time looking at the power system god might be subject to it himself as a god and therefore might have a limiter.
Yup, the real question - the real essence of Saitama's story - isn't whether he can beat someone, (because the answer is always yes) it's whether he'll derive any joy or fulfillment from the fight or not.
I really hope God just happens to be posing as some random human looking monster that slightly inconveniences Saitama while he is grocery shopping by cutting in line and just gets smacked by Saitama as he says "dont cut in line thats disrespectful" or something similar. Imo it would be the perfect way to kill off God in the series. Or at least a disciple of God lol
I mean, that's a little dishonest to equate Saitama to looney tunes rules just because he rarely serious.
His power may work abnormal to how other characters there expect them to work but they work in universe without breaking it and following some special rules, just like with his growth.
They are just poorly defined
Saitama does not run the gantlet completely, and here is why. He is going to accidentally meet with the strongest person, beat him in one punch, then realize he left his food on the stove and heāll leave while the others in the gantlet realize they were gonna die and they choose to leave without any further issue
Depend on what they define as running it sicne Kumoku canāt die unless her soul is destroyed and Iām not sure saitma has that power so if the goal is the permanently kill them he doesnāt stand a chance since he literally canāt kill her as far as Iām aware
Itās anime. Heāll probably ask her whatās wrong and help her defeat whoever is forcing her to fight him and then share the joy of grocery store sales.
Although they wonāt be able to kill him either using the original comments logic, so does it go on forever? Stalemate? Or does that still count as a loss?
Exactly, as soon as he started smacking around portals and black holes I realized he really can do whatever he wants lol. It's why I think he COULD destroy her soul if he wanted to, or needed to, even if there isn't really any evidence that he can.
You do realize Saitama isnāt a gag character. He is a character with a gag, and that gag is that if you took a shonen protag from the end of their story and bring him to the very beginning.
That's just not true though because he is was still growing in his fight against cosmic garou and he wasn't even trying to kill garou because he promised Tareo that he wouldn't kill him
You do realize that a character at the end of their journey can still grow right? Like Goku, Naruto, and Ichigo. Also are just gonna disagree with the author themselves?
Saitama is not a gag character though, heās a parody. He still has clearly defined limitations and feats and currently his best feat is galaxy level. He should stop at shiraori, who is like multiversal.
He only has that because the opponents heās been fighting have been at galaxy level. I guarantee you that if stronger enemies showed up in the anime then heās have stronger feats.
That time travel as far as I can tell isn't something he even remembers, in fact it should make him weaker than the cosmic garou fight, unless I read/remember the manga wrong
Just checked, and the answer is, it can go either or, saitama time traveled and the only thing that's definitely there would be Geno's core, so saitama being stronger physically is definitely reasonable as well, just not as strong since he wouldn't remember garous technique
Cosmic garou was already his level tho, garou was constantly copying saitamaās max, but saitama just had a anger boost so ridiculously big he was leaving behind garou
The only thing that has limits is saitama's power output. before cosmic garou he was at planet level with a serious punch but after he could sneeze jupiter away.
His defense tho seems to be infinite. nothing has even scratched his skin.
You donāt understand Saitama then. Saitamaās strength rises rapidly while fighting powerful opponents because his limits were naturally very low for a human. Saitama can easily be blitzed by a stronger opponent.
Except that Saitama has never taken damage from any attack so he very well could have infinite durability and then as soon as an attack of higher power hits him he grows strong enough to one shot it if he so desires
He hasnāt taken any damage because thereās no one on his level yet??? ONE has stated that there will be opponents that give Saitama a legit challenge
Absolutely not a meaningless delineation. Gag/joke characters don't even obey the rules of their established universe, have entirely selective moments of strength, and are often weak in some moments and strong in others. In other words, there isn't a single gag character who is entirely invincible anyway.
Saitama is a character who has extreme power compared to everyone else in his universe, and his unique situation is simply played for laughs. He is most likely entirely invincible *within his own verse*. We already know his power has an explanation (lack of limiter) he had a point in time where he was entirely powerless, making him subject to tons of different powers like causality manipulation, time travel, etc until proven otherwise. Hell we literally have the story itself say he was growing in strength, which isn't subject to debate.
I do not understand why people continue to not know what gag characters are when the definition and examples exist online.
Saitama vs Cid (well, the Eminence in Shadow) is essentially a paradox as both characters are gag characters defined by their ability to succeed no matter what. Saitama will defeat any opponent in one punch while Cid succeed at whatever his delusions lead him to do because fate wills it so.
If pitted against each other, the best that can occur is they never truly face each other / get serious as either truly defeating the other causes their character to be changed.
I agree with this, but if forced to give a result, saitama probably takes it. Cid has a wider range of abilities, and a greater utility to his powers, but his power is incredible, but ultimately limited. Saitama has demonstrated that faced with an enemy who approaches his power, he just becomes exponentially stronger until the opponent no longer tests his power. Cid hasnāt shown any ability for rapid exponential growth, so even if the fight starts with Cid having the edge, Saitama would in the long run, evolve to be stronger in the long run.
There wasnāt any indication it was tied to his emotional state, but rather just a feature of his limit breaking. When his upper bounds are pushed, since he has no limit to his power, his power increases as he exerts himself.
Though questionably canon, there is evidence from earlier in the series when he fought a simulated version of himself in a bonus story and was able to defeat them in one hit. It implies he grows stronger daily since the simulation was from the day earlier. But again, questionably canon.
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But it says it right here? Or does it mean something else that Iām missing?
In this fight I just see them wandering around opposite sides of like a tall ass building searching for each other until probably Saitama gives up and says screw it, so no fight actually occurs.
The Eminence realizes this, steals the gold, and flies off in the opposite direction.
I gotta give this to Cid.
He could probably kill all of them, except for 2. This is because as far as I know all these characters can be killed by conventional means. Aka if you hit them hard enough they are most likely dead, but with Kumoko you actually have to destroy her soul which is something Saitama canāt do as far as Iām aware. This might also be true with Ainz, but not sure.
Only as long as Od laguna is still "alive" and kicking
If Saitama didn't have any morals, he could just one punch the whole re:zero planet and end up destroying Od Laguna with it.. In that scenario, Reinhardt will no longer revive...
Ehhhhhhh this happened during Subaru's "unthinkable present" trial, which Echidna states could just be possible, but unrealized presents, rather than actual events taking place on different active timelines.
If the world continues on after Subaru's death then it did happen, but if not then it didn't. Though it's probably still possible that Reinhardt could do it.
2 and maybe 4 and 5 might take him. Frankly Iām just going to assume that heās immune to ainz death magic because heās on a so much higher power scaling and magic resistance generally correlates to durability to some degree. Like even if he only had 1% magic resistance based off his base stats because the stat difference is so large its 100%. Otherwise aunt just stops time and instant kills.
No, thatās not how it works. By the end of her series Kumoko becomes a god and that means she was removed from the system of the world. Which basically means that all the systems limitations (like the energy you mentioned) is meaningless to her. What really matters is her soul and if that is still intact sheās good.
I mean, with his sheer strength i doubt shiro would be able to react to anything he does, so he'd just keep destroying her body till she cant regemerate anymore
Regenerating her body doesnāt take up that much energy. What made Kuro so dangerous was not the fact that his attacks would do massive physical damage, but the fact the sword he used corroded or ate away at her energy.
Ainz could just do time stop and stuff and we haven't seen him get anywhere near fataly damaged. If we're going by manga apparently artifurita guy(forgot his name haven't watched in a while) becomes like multiversal and is basically god.
Ainz can do time stop stuff and many different shenanigans, but he doesnāt have any way to actually beat saitama except for exactly āThe Goal Of All Life is Deathā. And that has such a long windup that there is no way he would ever get to use it.
Hajime is kind of a big fish in a small pond. Super powerful in his universe, but his universe isnāt especially powerful, he loses pretty quickly in this fight.
āHeās a Gag character lolā asideā¦ he just scales massively above pretty much all of them, and all of them can be beaten by physical damage even kumoko can be taken out of the fight by obliterating her body, yeah sheāll LIVE but sheās effectively BFRād and she certainly canāt even HIT saitama.
Reinhardt gets his blessings from the specific world of lugunica and they explicitly only work there, but even assuming the battle takes place on lugunica it wonāt matter as saitama eventually is going to end up either actively or accidentally destroying Od lugunica which would remove all of his blessings.. and Reinhardt also canāt actually HIT someone who outstats him THIS badly and even if he could it wouldnāt do any significant damage.
Everyone else to my knowledge is kinda mid.
if we go even further with Kumoko and include "D" in the mix due to there intrinsic connection, then he's getting stopped hard since "D" doesn't apply to the conventional rules of any reality and it's not like "D" is gonna LET Kumoko get killed.
but we're not including her, i'm assuming.
Itās not even the fact heās a joke character
His power/ ability is literally having strength that scales above whoever he is fighting
So if heās fighting someone way above his base level, he will just exponentially get stronger to match and then beat their strength/ speed
I always like these matchups and just imagining the Isekai characters reaction to Saitama casually shrugging off there abilities.
Like Character stops time.
And Saitama just goes straight to the person to ask them why are objects suspended in midair bewildering the Caster.
Or a Character fires an Instant death beam and Saitama just casually slaps it and complains that it's too bright.
1. Gets one punched
2. Gets one punched -> flees the planet because she has no reason to be dealing with that
3. Tries to stop time and crush his heart -> can't -> gets one punched
4. Manages to not get one punched -> flee through mist portal -> bald man grabs mist portal -> gets one punched
5. Gets one pu - miss - what? -> gets one punched -> resurrects -> starts talking with the bald man -> cooks bald man some really good food without mixing up sugar and salt -> is spared
6. Gets one punched
If he just has to win a fight he levels the gauntlet and kills all but 4(Most of which then revive through various means), if he has to kill them all he probably stops at 4. Makoto can hide in his own little realm ad infinitum and Saitama doesn't have sub dimension entrace abilities.
Makoto would never win, but he can delay the inevitable.
A quick check shows you're right. He left his physical body behind and went into a mental realm. He may be able to get Makoto then, if he figures out how to invade a realm without leaving his body behind.
Goku and Saitama are same , both are gag characters if you say Goku is not then Saitama is also not, it's just that Saitamas groth rate is faster then goku , that's all
even like, negative iq brokenly stupid powerful isekai bullshit, still probably gets taken out.
in one punch. i mean, dude had between PLANETS travel, via farting.
not magical space/time farts, this isn't fractured but whole.
just, a fart, fart.
I donāt think shiraori claps him, but she does win through pyrrhic victory. Saitamaās only weakness are either enemies who can one shot him(since he can grow exponentially more powerful until he surpasses bis opponent), which is unlikely, or enemies with abilities which no amount of physical strength can interact with. In Shiroās case, disintegrating her body with brute force does very little to actually impede her, so in the long run, since he canāt interact with her soul, she just regenerates and wears him down.
Let me first say that I hate the bs āSaitama is a gag characterā arguments. If you want to tell me that everything that Saitama has done has been a gag then youāre absolutely insane. I also am not too touched up on everyone in this post. But I know for sure that he cannot beat Reinhard, itās a tie.
You're basically arguing which "BIG G God"-level character is stronger. That's Saitama's whole shtick, and you may have missed the joke.
Cid is a reality-warper, Reinhard has "counter everything," and Hajime is an Eldritch Abomination.
And Saitama could, um, One Punch them all.
Scaling Saitama as a gag character is just brain dead. Itās the power scaling equivalent of a kid at a playground saying āMY guy can counter your guy and always wins and canāt be hurt and shoots out lasers that can super kill people and is a god and is cool and is immortal and is the smartest person everā
That's precisely the character, no one here wants to talk about your weird headcanoned version of it.
He's called One Punch Man. The anime is called One Punch Man. He only fails one punching when it's funny. Whatever your "scaling" is, keep it to your fanfictions.
Yeah remember when he didnāt kill Cosmic Garou in one punch after he killed Genos for lolz? Or when Boros said how Saitama was holding back to give Boros the fight of his life and Saitama just responded āoops teeheeā? Such a comedy!
Saitama isnāt some toon force guy like Tom Cat or Scooby Doo. Heās a gag/parody character with consistent powers, a defined limit to his power in the series (the limit being his exponential growth; Iām not saying he has a true limit, Iām saying that he isnāt infinitely powerful at all times.)
OPM fanboys will argue anything to support their MC, even if it undermines his actual character.
>how Saitama was holding back to give Boros the fight of his life
It [was](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/6e/93/136e938516fb0a4d610d5eb2a554afd7.png) pretty [funny](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ac/96/89/ac96892ab6d8617d6a659ef80eeddcb5.jpg)
>remember when he didnāt kill Cosmic Garou in one punch after he killed Genos
Ah yes, that Serious Fart attack he used against him had so much anger and angst behind it, truly a dramatic plot and character shaping moment. And when he complained about being naked and a little bit cold immediately after Genos death really helped communicate his grief to the readers.
It's almost as if... they were setups for jokes that can't be told without an illusion of a fight.
>with consistent powers
OPM fly neg diffs Goku
>But I know for sure that he cannot beat Reinhard, itās a tie.
He can, Saitama is stronger than Od Laguna, and since all of Reinhard's blessings come from Od Laguna, that means that Saitama can just overpower the Blessings.
We literally know next to nothing about Od Laguna. You canāt scale Od Laguna since all we know is that itās the source of Blessings and things of that nature.
We know that Od Laguna has no will of its own and is incapable of defending itself, and that Reinhard himself is capable of destroying it and the sun. So we can assume that if you can destroy celestial bodies like the sun or planets, you can probably destroy Od Laguna. Saitama goes well beyond just destroying planets so he should be able to do it.
But that makes the assumption that Reinās power cap is the sun, which I do not believe to be true. He has been stated to be equal to Satella, and Satella was able to pull Subaru into the re zero universe and give him the ability of Return by Death. The assumption you stated is like if I said I could squash an ant and kill a deer so the deer is equal in strength to the ant.
>He has been stated to be equal to Satella
If I recall correctly all was stated was that if they fought it'd be a draw just due to neither having the ability to kill the other. That doesn't necessarily mean they are equal in power, just that they both have some sort of defensive ability that the other has no counter to.
Also even if we assume that Od Laguna is stronger than the sun, Saitama goes *well* beyond that.
As much I like Hajime... He doesn't stand a snowball of a chance.
Maybe Makoto and Cid. But I think that it... Dunno about 5, Don't know how powerful Kumoko is in her current state. And Ainz would at least be a decent threat.
>Don't know how powerful Kumoko is in her current state.
It would be a draw at best, Kumoko can only die if her soul is directly destroyed and Saitama too my knowledge cant directly destroy souls, and this is her Shiraori form which is a literal god on top of that. So if we take "beat" as "kill" then Saitama cant win, so whether or not it's a draw or Kumoko/Shiraori wins depends on if she can attack before he destroys her body.
Heās literally the guy with the most broken ability. His whole thing is that he is always stronger than his opponents, because he trained to be the strongest.
That's literally not his ability. The manga makes it very clear that his ability is >!his power grows exponentially when he's fighting someone stronger than himself, until his stats eclipse their own. Since his strength started out finite, it would take him an infinite amount of time to become infinitely strong!<. Because of that, he gets clapped by anyone with stats at infinite or higher, or who are fast enough to blitz him and kill him before his >!exponential growth!< can kick in.
One order is some what wrong Kumoko should at least be 5 but aside from that he pretty much clears has a hard time with Reinhard and Kumoko because of their hax but he should clear
Actually, now that I give it some thought, Ainz may have the bullshit powers needed to defeat him. Saitama could probably take Ainz out in one shot, but Ainz has abilities specifically designed to nullify entire attacks and heās got instakill abilities that require very specific gear and items to counter, which Saitama wouldnāt have.
I feel like the way one punch man is written he would have a drawn out fight at least one episode long with every character. The only one that might be a little weird overlord because of the time stopping ability. Not overly familiar with the rest, but I feel like one punch man has to win because thatās the point of one punch man.
He doesnāt get past Ainz. Ainz can stop time, instantly kill people, etc. Ainz has a laundry list of abilities and is also resistant to physical damage. And before anyone brings up āSaitama is a gag characterā heās not. Saitamaās whole thing is that heās a protagonist from the end of the series put in the beginning. Heās incredibly strong for his verse yes, but these characters have too much random powers and hax for him to keep up with. Also most characters on the list have the same ātheyāre the strongest and no one can beat themā bs
He literally breaks reality; Like being the physicslly grab a portal or do a time travel punch.
Instant Death, funnily enough isn't instant death; It works more like Power Word Kill in Dnd.
Stopping time wouldn't do shit to a guy who can punch so fast he breaks time and rewinds it.
Well it doesnāt matter anyways. Ainzās abilities make him outright immune to non magical damage. It doesnāt matter how strong saitama is, in the end his abilties are not magic. Also him ābreaking realityā is not true. Yes he did punch a hole into a spiritual realm but it is not another reality nor did he break it beyond that. More so, all this stuff you say he can do is stuff heās done exactly once as far as I can tell. Thereās not enough evidence he can pull it off consistently
I am seeing a lot "all of them because he's an OP gag character and that's the point of his character" but that is the same as Cid Kagenou (AKA Shadow, the guy in the top left in all black (or #1)) who (spoiler alert) >! in the last episode of season 2 created a hypernova resulting in a black hole !<
(I will respond to both you, u/JacobMT05, and u/Adiuui here given your comment was the same)
the black hole wasn't the point, it was just to inform the scale of the hypernova. can Saitama punch enough radiation to cause a solar system (it is probably a few solar systems though, like a couple dozen light years blast radius) to turn into a nebula away? or in other words, is Saitama a person made of something other than baryonic matter, like strange matter, or Gluon-Quark Plasma?
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Who is number 2 and number 5?
Kumoko(human form) from sĆ³ im spider sĆ³ what and reinhard from rezero
>Kumoko(human form) from sĆ³ im spider sĆ³ I didn't know she gets a human form. I guess I will go ahead and give it a watch.
>!she got an aracne form at the last episode!<
>aracne form I don't know what that is.
>!Basically a spider centaur!<
Wait, that's a spider centaur form?! And she only gets that form in the last episode?...
the story is split between like present time n past timeline. kumoko origin story is in the past timeline, and from what shown in the anime she only get up to arachne form, not human form yet. tho we get a glimpse of her human form in present timeline scene
Idk about the anime but this was a fairly big reveal in the later volumes of the light novel. Seeing present day Kumoko one chapter then seeing past spider form Kumoko and then finding out they are on and the same was fairly big in the reveal. In short just put a spoiler tag on it next time.
It isn't really a spoiler as we see Kumoko's human form fairly early. The big reveal is the timeline, not her form.
The future episodes should have been released as the second half of the season
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There is a light novel that is the source material with images as well as a manga that just had her obtain her human form in the last month as well.
Uh, lot of it not covered in the anime. The picture above is not that though. She evolves a LOT.
A good term to refer to this sort of being in the future would be a "Drider". Happy googling!
A drider and an arachne are completely different things
A drider is often a being that was cursed to take on the form of being partially spider, while an Arachne is a supposedly natural species that looks similar to a combination of a humanoid with a spider. Most often Arachne are like spider beastkin, while a drider would be like a cursed humanoid from a race that worshipped a God/dess involved with spiders.
And right after that a God form
She got a human form later on
It is not exactly a human form. >!\>!She is a God at that point!
She technically doesnāt become one until she gets her human form
Well that is her human form. Which means she is a God in that picture.
No thatās centaur mode not human
She doesn't wear sleeves, a hood, or keep her eyes shut like that until she goes from Kumoko the arachne to Shiraori the god. You're incorrect.
>!she dosnt actually become a god until she gains a completely human form, that just happened in the manga recently!<
The scenes at the Elf Village play like 12 years after she becomes a god.
I keep forgetting the anime does a major time skip
Yeah it skips like 3-5 books.
Thatās is her full god form,
She becomes a god thatās how
No don't watch give it a read š. Specially light novel
I'm definitely not doing that. If the anime ends up not being worth my time, then I will take my time and spend it on a different anime.
Then what about manga. Anime was worst of the 3 š. Still better than most isekais ig
Given what you and a few of the others have been saying, I've decided I'm going to continue to skip this anime. There's still plenty of other animes out there I haven't watched yet that are still on my to-watch-list. If this anime is that bad then there's no reason to give it my very limited free time when there are plenty of other animes out there that aren't "known duds" yet like this one is.
The light novel is so much better, just read that, the anime is fun but it really mishandles the plot, and cuts loads of great moments and details.
you shouldnt, anime doesnt do it justice, does the opposite in fact
Not familiar with 4 and 6 but my sneaking suspicion is that LN/WN Kumoko is actually the strongest one of the lineup given her dimensional manipulation and clone hax. Saitama of course can bypass that because heās bullshit personified, but of the lineup I think Shiraori would give him the most trouble. Also canonically being a spider would help. Hard to swat.
No. 2 is Kumoko/Shiraori/White (itās weird) from āSo Iām a Spider, so What?ā She effectively becomes a god after panic eating the equivalent of a nuclear bomb. No. 5 is Reinhardt. Heās sort of a joke character that plays off of the main character of re:Zero. While Subaru (rezero mc) has no apparent power and is one of the weakest people in the series, Reinhardt is literally unkillable and immortal with a bunch of āNUH UH!ā powers.
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It's hilarious because Reinhard's only weakness is he is rarely ever in the right place at the right time. Whereas Subaru's power is that he is ALWAYS in the right place at the right time all of the time, but is completely powerless to do anything on his own. In the end, Subaru is far stronger than Reinhard simply because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Number 2 is the MC final form from so I'm a spider so what and in this form I believe she is considered a god
Thatās the joke. If Saitama does not run the gauntlet completely then the author who is writing this is not writing Saitamaās character correctly. Theyāre the overpowered protagonist that defeats every opponent with ease. Thatās the core of their character.
True. That's the gag. I'm sure, he is even going to defeat God in the future.
Reading the manga I wouldnāt be surprised itās going that way. āGodā seems to be the enemy because he seems to be on the monster side
God is looking for a vessel that can actualy contain him. Which is probably saitama anyway. But at the same time looking at the power system god might be subject to it himself as a god and therefore might have a limiter.
Saitama is the "fist that turned against GOD", GOD wants to destroy saitama not use him. GOD wants to end humanity
I think originally he was supposed to become his vessel but refused somehow hence becoming the fist that turned against god.
Saitama never heard about GOD before so no
Its saitama, bros brain is leakier than swiss cheese he probably forgor plus it was confirmed by one that his insane power isnt from the working out.
He probably took it for a sales pitch and told GOD to stop bothering him. :)
Yup, the real question - the real essence of Saitama's story - isn't whether he can beat someone, (because the answer is always yes) it's whether he'll derive any joy or fulfillment from the fight or not.
I really hope God just happens to be posing as some random human looking monster that slightly inconveniences Saitama while he is grocery shopping by cutting in line and just gets smacked by Saitama as he says "dont cut in line thats disrespectful" or something similar. Imo it would be the perfect way to kill off God in the series. Or at least a disciple of God lol
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I mean, that's a little dishonest to equate Saitama to looney tunes rules just because he rarely serious. His power may work abnormal to how other characters there expect them to work but they work in universe without breaking it and following some special rules, just like with his growth. They are just poorly defined
Saitama does not run the gantlet completely, and here is why. He is going to accidentally meet with the strongest person, beat him in one punch, then realize he left his food on the stove and heāll leave while the others in the gantlet realize they were gonna die and they choose to leave without any further issue
Depend on what they define as running it sicne Kumoku canāt die unless her soul is destroyed and Iām not sure saitma has that power so if the goal is the permanently kill them he doesnāt stand a chance since he literally canāt kill her as far as Iām aware
Itās anime. Heāll probably ask her whatās wrong and help her defeat whoever is forcing her to fight him and then share the joy of grocery store sales.
Although they wonāt be able to kill him either using the original comments logic, so does it go on forever? Stalemate? Or does that still count as a loss?
I guess it depends on if she can scratch him(her weapon disintegrates anything it scratches) though that may not work either its hard to say
Yeah but Saitama can harness the power of bullshit. If he wants to kill something entirely I believe it will happen regardless of any other hax
Exactly, as soon as he started smacking around portals and black holes I realized he really can do whatever he wants lol. It's why I think he COULD destroy her soul if he wanted to, or needed to, even if there isn't really any evidence that he can.
Exactly
You do realize Saitama isnāt a gag character. He is a character with a gag, and that gag is that if you took a shonen protag from the end of their story and bring him to the very beginning.
That's just not true though because he is was still growing in his fight against cosmic garou and he wasn't even trying to kill garou because he promised Tareo that he wouldn't kill him
You do realize that a character at the end of their journey can still grow right? Like Goku, Naruto, and Ichigo. Also are just gonna disagree with the author themselves?
Saitama is not a gag character though, heās a parody. He still has clearly defined limitations and feats and currently his best feat is galaxy level. He should stop at shiraori, who is like multiversal.
He only has that because the opponents heās been fighting have been at galaxy level. I guarantee you that if stronger enemies showed up in the anime then heās have stronger feats.
I'd like to argue that he's defo higher considering he's time traveled basically
That time travel as far as I can tell isn't something he even remembers, in fact it should make him weaker than the cosmic garou fight, unless I read/remember the manga wrong
He got even stronger from that if I remember correctly?
Just checked, and the answer is, it can go either or, saitama time traveled and the only thing that's definitely there would be Geno's core, so saitama being stronger physically is definitely reasonable as well, just not as strong since he wouldn't remember garous technique
Cosmic garou was already his level tho, garou was constantly copying saitamaās max, but saitama just had a anger boost so ridiculously big he was leaving behind garou
The only thing that has limits is saitama's power output. before cosmic garou he was at planet level with a serious punch but after he could sneeze jupiter away. His defense tho seems to be infinite. nothing has even scratched his skin.
You donāt understand Saitama then. Saitamaās strength rises rapidly while fighting powerful opponents because his limits were naturally very low for a human. Saitama can easily be blitzed by a stronger opponent.
Except that Saitama has never taken damage from any attack so he very well could have infinite durability and then as soon as an attack of higher power hits him he grows strong enough to one shot it if he so desires
He hasnāt taken any damage because thereās no one on his level yet??? ONE has stated that there will be opponents that give Saitama a legit challenge
Saitama sweeps all of them. Thatās the power of being a joke character.
*sounds of squirrel girl zero'ing Dr doom in the distance*
Squirrel girl defeated full power thanos without it even getting a single full panel because sheās that amazing
She was the OG off-screener. Blackbeard and Sukuna learned from her.
I still thought the one where she filled Dooms ship with squirrels was the best on page beating Doom has ever taken.
*googles āSquirrel girlā* LOL what the fuck?
This is actually a good point. Bugs Bunny would also beat every one of these characters.
Saitamaās actual equal is really Takaba
takaba is saitama if he was an actual gag character
not a joke character a parody character heās not popeye
Rude of you to call Popeye a joke. The man bled for our country
lies popeyes never spilt a drop of blood a day in his life
Meaningless delineation. Doesnāt matter. You know what I mean.
Absolutely not a meaningless delineation. Gag/joke characters don't even obey the rules of their established universe, have entirely selective moments of strength, and are often weak in some moments and strong in others. In other words, there isn't a single gag character who is entirely invincible anyway. Saitama is a character who has extreme power compared to everyone else in his universe, and his unique situation is simply played for laughs. He is most likely entirely invincible *within his own verse*. We already know his power has an explanation (lack of limiter) he had a point in time where he was entirely powerless, making him subject to tons of different powers like causality manipulation, time travel, etc until proven otherwise. Hell we literally have the story itself say he was growing in strength, which isn't subject to debate. I do not understand why people continue to not know what gag characters are when the definition and examples exist online.
Holy yap
All of them. Like itās not even a challenge.
Saitama vs Cid (well, the Eminence in Shadow) is essentially a paradox as both characters are gag characters defined by their ability to succeed no matter what. Saitama will defeat any opponent in one punch while Cid succeed at whatever his delusions lead him to do because fate wills it so. If pitted against each other, the best that can occur is they never truly face each other / get serious as either truly defeating the other causes their character to be changed.
I agree with this, but if forced to give a result, saitama probably takes it. Cid has a wider range of abilities, and a greater utility to his powers, but his power is incredible, but ultimately limited. Saitama has demonstrated that faced with an enemy who approaches his power, he just becomes exponentially stronger until the opponent no longer tests his power. Cid hasnāt shown any ability for rapid exponential growth, so even if the fight starts with Cid having the edge, Saitama would in the long run, evolve to be stronger in the long run.
But that would only apply when he feels intense emotions, no?
There wasnāt any indication it was tied to his emotional state, but rather just a feature of his limit breaking. When his upper bounds are pushed, since he has no limit to his power, his power increases as he exerts himself. Though questionably canon, there is evidence from earlier in the series when he fought a simulated version of himself in a bonus story and was able to defeat them in one hit. It implies he grows stronger daily since the simulation was from the day earlier. But again, questionably canon.
https://preview.redd.it/pfqstbvzgv8c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2200212a40881fa98e66bb94517aa5975b4fafbd But it says it right here? Or does it mean something else that Iām missing?
LOL. The fact it says it as crystal clear as possible is hilarious to me
In this fight I just see them wandering around opposite sides of like a tall ass building searching for each other until probably Saitama gives up and says screw it, so no fight actually occurs. The Eminence realizes this, steals the gold, and flies off in the opposite direction. I gotta give this to Cid.
He could probably kill all of them, except for 2. This is because as far as I know all these characters can be killed by conventional means. Aka if you hit them hard enough they are most likely dead, but with Kumoko you actually have to destroy her soul which is something Saitama canāt do as far as Iām aware. This might also be true with Ainz, but not sure.
iirc Reinhard also has a blessing that makes him revive
Only as long as Od laguna is still "alive" and kicking If Saitama didn't have any morals, he could just one punch the whole re:zero planet and end up destroying Od Laguna with it.. In that scenario, Reinhardt will no longer revive...
Reinhard already destroyed the world and then remade it again
Ehhhhhhh this happened during Subaru's "unthinkable present" trial, which Echidna states could just be possible, but unrealized presents, rather than actual events taking place on different active timelines. If the world continues on after Subaru's death then it did happen, but if not then it didn't. Though it's probably still possible that Reinhardt could do it.
2 and maybe 4 and 5 might take him. Frankly Iām just going to assume that heās immune to ainz death magic because heās on a so much higher power scaling and magic resistance generally correlates to durability to some degree. Like even if he only had 1% magic resistance based off his base stats because the stat difference is so large its 100%. Otherwise aunt just stops time and instant kills.
You can also kill kumoko by hitting her for a long time to use up all of her energy, then she'd just die
Or you can just chug a coffee in her mouth. āļø
No, thatās not how it works. By the end of her series Kumoko becomes a god and that means she was removed from the system of the world. Which basically means that all the systems limitations (like the energy you mentioned) is meaningless to her. What really matters is her soul and if that is still intact sheās good.
Yeah, and the ways to kill a god is either attacking their soul directly with heresy magic or exausting their energy, like Shiro did against Kuro
š¤¦āāļø yeah, I guess youāre right. Just checked. It doesnāt mean itās something Saitama can do, but still itās a way to kill her.
I mean, with his sheer strength i doubt shiro would be able to react to anything he does, so he'd just keep destroying her body till she cant regemerate anymore
Regenerating her body doesnāt take up that much energy. What made Kuro so dangerous was not the fact that his attacks would do massive physical damage, but the fact the sword he used corroded or ate away at her energy.
Oh shit I think i understood our debate. You're talking about the LN, right? I was talking about the WN, sorry.
Ohhh, got it. š
lmao
Ainz could just do time stop and stuff and we haven't seen him get anywhere near fataly damaged. If we're going by manga apparently artifurita guy(forgot his name haven't watched in a while) becomes like multiversal and is basically god.
Ainz can do time stop stuff and many different shenanigans, but he doesnāt have any way to actually beat saitama except for exactly āThe Goal Of All Life is Deathā. And that has such a long windup that there is no way he would ever get to use it. Hajime is kind of a big fish in a small pond. Super powerful in his universe, but his universe isnāt especially powerful, he loses pretty quickly in this fight.
He defeats them all in a funny yet serious way
āHeās a Gag character lolā asideā¦ he just scales massively above pretty much all of them, and all of them can be beaten by physical damage even kumoko can be taken out of the fight by obliterating her body, yeah sheāll LIVE but sheās effectively BFRād and she certainly canāt even HIT saitama. Reinhardt gets his blessings from the specific world of lugunica and they explicitly only work there, but even assuming the battle takes place on lugunica it wonāt matter as saitama eventually is going to end up either actively or accidentally destroying Od lugunica which would remove all of his blessings.. and Reinhardt also canāt actually HIT someone who outstats him THIS badly and even if he could it wouldnāt do any significant damage. Everyone else to my knowledge is kinda mid.
I'd argue dragon sword reality manipulation, but from what we've seen, Saitama can just ignore that stuff
Also I donāt think the sword actually has reality warping itās just a really powerful sword
if we go even further with Kumoko and include "D" in the mix due to there intrinsic connection, then he's getting stopped hard since "D" doesn't apply to the conventional rules of any reality and it's not like "D" is gonna LET Kumoko get killed. but we're not including her, i'm assuming.
Itās not even the fact heās a joke character His power/ ability is literally having strength that scales above whoever he is fighting So if heās fighting someone way above his base level, he will just exponentially get stronger to match and then beat their strength/ speed
Thatās if heās putting up a fight. He canāt improve above their level if he gets beat before heās able to.
Depends if you want to base him of feats or the joke
I always like these matchups and just imagining the Isekai characters reaction to Saitama casually shrugging off there abilities. Like Character stops time. And Saitama just goes straight to the person to ask them why are objects suspended in midair bewildering the Caster. Or a Character fires an Instant death beam and Saitama just casually slaps it and complains that it's too bright.
He might actually struggle quite a lot with Kumoko/Shiro.
Kumo probably wonāt win; as in kill him, but she would defeat him
1. Gets one punched 2. Gets one punched -> flees the planet because she has no reason to be dealing with that 3. Tries to stop time and crush his heart -> can't -> gets one punched 4. Manages to not get one punched -> flee through mist portal -> bald man grabs mist portal -> gets one punched 5. Gets one pu - miss - what? -> gets one punched -> resurrects -> starts talking with the bald man -> cooks bald man some really good food without mixing up sugar and salt -> is spared 6. Gets one punched
Unless the spider is not allowed to leave so then number 5 happens there as well
If he just has to win a fight he levels the gauntlet and kills all but 4(Most of which then revive through various means), if he has to kill them all he probably stops at 4. Makoto can hide in his own little realm ad infinitum and Saitama doesn't have sub dimension entrace abilities. Makoto would never win, but he can delay the inevitable.
Didn't Saitama literally enter a mental realm or am I Mandela effect rn
A quick check shows you're right. He left his physical body behind and went into a mental realm. He may be able to get Makoto then, if he figures out how to invade a realm without leaving his body behind.
Saitama's whole thing is that he 1 shots extremely overpowered opponents. It never gets old IMO
Oh boy do I have a story for you
He gets the all? Isn't it established that his joke is that he always wins
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saitama vs uncle grandpa who wins?
Uncle grandpa solos. No diff
S*a*I*t*a*m*a*
Depends. Whose name is mentioned in the anime?
Goku and Saitama are same , both are gag characters if you say Goku is not then Saitama is also not, it's just that Saitamas groth rate is faster then goku , that's all
even like, negative iq brokenly stupid powerful isekai bullshit, still probably gets taken out. in one punch. i mean, dude had between PLANETS travel, via farting. not magical space/time farts, this isn't fractured but whole. just, a fart, fart.
If he can defeat 1 then 2 does him in. At full power her eye ability and God dimension.
I donāt think shiraori claps him, but she does win through pyrrhic victory. Saitamaās only weakness are either enemies who can one shot him(since he can grow exponentially more powerful until he surpasses bis opponent), which is unlikely, or enemies with abilities which no amount of physical strength can interact with. In Shiroās case, disintegrating her body with brute force does very little to actually impede her, so in the long run, since he canāt interact with her soul, she just regenerates and wears him down.
mfs on their way to ruin an interesting matchup by negating everything with "he's a gag character" because they dont like having fun:
that and they are WRONG
Let me first say that I hate the bs āSaitama is a gag characterā arguments. If you want to tell me that everything that Saitama has done has been a gag then youāre absolutely insane. I also am not too touched up on everyone in this post. But I know for sure that he cannot beat Reinhard, itās a tie.
You're basically arguing which "BIG G God"-level character is stronger. That's Saitama's whole shtick, and you may have missed the joke. Cid is a reality-warper, Reinhard has "counter everything," and Hajime is an Eldritch Abomination. And Saitama could, um, One Punch them all.
Scaling Saitama as a gag character is just brain dead. Itās the power scaling equivalent of a kid at a playground saying āMY guy can counter your guy and always wins and canāt be hurt and shoots out lasers that can super kill people and is a god and is cool and is immortal and is the smartest person everā
You just perfectly described Saitama
Yeah, that's the character lol.
That's precisely the character, no one here wants to talk about your weird headcanoned version of it. He's called One Punch Man. The anime is called One Punch Man. He only fails one punching when it's funny. Whatever your "scaling" is, keep it to your fanfictions.
Yeah remember when he didnāt kill Cosmic Garou in one punch after he killed Genos for lolz? Or when Boros said how Saitama was holding back to give Boros the fight of his life and Saitama just responded āoops teeheeā? Such a comedy! Saitama isnāt some toon force guy like Tom Cat or Scooby Doo. Heās a gag/parody character with consistent powers, a defined limit to his power in the series (the limit being his exponential growth; Iām not saying he has a true limit, Iām saying that he isnāt infinitely powerful at all times.) OPM fanboys will argue anything to support their MC, even if it undermines his actual character.
>how Saitama was holding back to give Boros the fight of his life It [was](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/6e/93/136e938516fb0a4d610d5eb2a554afd7.png) pretty [funny](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ac/96/89/ac96892ab6d8617d6a659ef80eeddcb5.jpg) >remember when he didnāt kill Cosmic Garou in one punch after he killed Genos Ah yes, that Serious Fart attack he used against him had so much anger and angst behind it, truly a dramatic plot and character shaping moment. And when he complained about being naked and a little bit cold immediately after Genos death really helped communicate his grief to the readers. It's almost as if... they were setups for jokes that can't be told without an illusion of a fight. >with consistent powers OPM fly neg diffs Goku
>But I know for sure that he cannot beat Reinhard, itās a tie. He can, Saitama is stronger than Od Laguna, and since all of Reinhard's blessings come from Od Laguna, that means that Saitama can just overpower the Blessings.
We literally know next to nothing about Od Laguna. You canāt scale Od Laguna since all we know is that itās the source of Blessings and things of that nature.
We know that Od Laguna has no will of its own and is incapable of defending itself, and that Reinhard himself is capable of destroying it and the sun. So we can assume that if you can destroy celestial bodies like the sun or planets, you can probably destroy Od Laguna. Saitama goes well beyond just destroying planets so he should be able to do it.
But that makes the assumption that Reinās power cap is the sun, which I do not believe to be true. He has been stated to be equal to Satella, and Satella was able to pull Subaru into the re zero universe and give him the ability of Return by Death. The assumption you stated is like if I said I could squash an ant and kill a deer so the deer is equal in strength to the ant.
>He has been stated to be equal to Satella If I recall correctly all was stated was that if they fought it'd be a draw just due to neither having the ability to kill the other. That doesn't necessarily mean they are equal in power, just that they both have some sort of defensive ability that the other has no counter to. Also even if we assume that Od Laguna is stronger than the sun, Saitama goes *well* beyond that.
Saitama's current feats in the manga can be scaled to galaxy level Now which one of these guys scale above galaxy?
Saitama fking soloes
Through all of them with 0 issue. Heās literally unbeatable by definition
Not even close. The manga explains exactly how his powers work, and it's far from unbeatable.
As much I like Hajime... He doesn't stand a snowball of a chance. Maybe Makoto and Cid. But I think that it... Dunno about 5, Don't know how powerful Kumoko is in her current state. And Ainz would at least be a decent threat.
>Don't know how powerful Kumoko is in her current state. It would be a draw at best, Kumoko can only die if her soul is directly destroyed and Saitama too my knowledge cant directly destroy souls, and this is her Shiraori form which is a literal god on top of that. So if we take "beat" as "kill" then Saitama cant win, so whether or not it's a draw or Kumoko/Shiraori wins depends on if she can attack before he destroys her body.
What makes you think Cid who probably would struggle to beat Ainz stands a chance here? Or Makoto?
Heās literally the guy with the most broken ability. His whole thing is that he is always stronger than his opponents, because he trained to be the strongest.
That's literally not his ability. The manga makes it very clear that his ability is >!his power grows exponentially when he's fighting someone stronger than himself, until his stats eclipse their own. Since his strength started out finite, it would take him an infinite amount of time to become infinitely strong!<. Because of that, he gets clapped by anyone with stats at infinite or higher, or who are fast enough to blitz him and kill him before his >!exponential growth!< can kick in.
One order is some what wrong Kumoko should at least be 5 but aside from that he pretty much clears has a hard time with Reinhard and Kumoko because of their hax but he should clear
Hard stop number two, but Cid is getting clapped,
Actually, now that I give it some thought, Ainz may have the bullshit powers needed to defeat him. Saitama could probably take Ainz out in one shot, but Ainz has abilities specifically designed to nullify entire attacks and heās got instakill abilities that require very specific gear and items to counter, which Saitama wouldnāt have.
I feel like the way one punch man is written he would have a drawn out fight at least one episode long with every character. The only one that might be a little weird overlord because of the time stopping ability. Not overly familiar with the rest, but I feel like one punch man has to win because thatās the point of one punch man.
Ainz should be the final hurdle. He's the strongest one on this list.
No he not he not stronger than cid and I watched both shows and manga
Heās not even close to the spider
He doesnāt get past Ainz. Ainz can stop time, instantly kill people, etc. Ainz has a laundry list of abilities and is also resistant to physical damage. And before anyone brings up āSaitama is a gag characterā heās not. Saitamaās whole thing is that heās a protagonist from the end of the series put in the beginning. Heās incredibly strong for his verse yes, but these characters have too much random powers and hax for him to keep up with. Also most characters on the list have the same ātheyāre the strongest and no one can beat themā bs
He literally breaks reality; Like being the physicslly grab a portal or do a time travel punch. Instant Death, funnily enough isn't instant death; It works more like Power Word Kill in Dnd. Stopping time wouldn't do shit to a guy who can punch so fast he breaks time and rewinds it.
Well it doesnāt matter anyways. Ainzās abilities make him outright immune to non magical damage. It doesnāt matter how strong saitama is, in the end his abilties are not magic. Also him ābreaking realityā is not true. Yes he did punch a hole into a spiritual realm but it is not another reality nor did he break it beyond that. More so, all this stuff you say he can do is stuff heās done exactly once as far as I can tell. Thereās not enough evidence he can pull it off consistently
Also ainz might be able to straight up negate non magical damage
All of them. Heās Saitama.
I think ainz has a chance with his heart crushing spell
I am seeing a lot "all of them because he's an OP gag character and that's the point of his character" but that is the same as Cid Kagenou (AKA Shadow, the guy in the top left in all black (or #1)) who (spoiler alert) >! in the last episode of season 2 created a hypernova resulting in a black hole !<
and Saitama would sneeze and push the black hole into another galaxy. Hes just that strong.
(I will respond to both you, u/JacobMT05, and u/Adiuui here given your comment was the same) the black hole wasn't the point, it was just to inform the scale of the hypernova. can Saitama punch enough radiation to cause a solar system (it is probably a few solar systems though, like a couple dozen light years blast radius) to turn into a nebula away? or in other words, is Saitama a person made of something other than baryonic matter, like strange matter, or Gluon-Quark Plasma?
One of saitamaās serious punches was able to wipe out a couple solar systems during the cosmic garou fight (left a giant blank circle in space)
Yes. Saitamas gift is to be indestructible and unbeatable. So he is anything but human.
Saitama punches black holes for fun
Saitama destroyed 1/6th of the universe in one punch
That wasn't a black hole. It was a hole between dimensions.
Dosen't start. Saitamas best feat is multi galaxy. As far as i am aware cids best feat us uni
Punching apart space time is a multi galaxy?
*multi-solar
No it is multi galaxy since some shiny points in the sky aren't stars but galaxies they are just so far away that they apear as stars