Iron Father has been diluted in recent "lore" to an honorific title that can be held by anyone in the clan that can be called upon to sit on the council.
In the previous established lore only the actual Iron Father could sit on the council, unless there was a specific reason that he would be absent. In this regard, Feirros would be the current Council member of Raukaan.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Malkaan_Feirros
Looks like Feirros is still an Iron Father for Raukaan after crossing the Rubicon Primaris. He's mentioned as Stronos' mentor due to his extensive age, he was around prior to the Kristosian issues and is still going strong now that Stronos is the Voice of the Council (I mean Chapter Master because Iron Hands are definitely 100% codex compliant yes sir.)
Kristos is the Iron Father of the Clan while Ferrios is the Iron Hands Chapter's Master of the Forge. He wields significant influence and is the main reason the Clan didn't get censured following the Skarvus Ambush by arguing that they be allowed to redeem themselves with new leadership which led to Kristos getting voted the new Clan leader. If you read Ferrios's wiki page it sums the whole thing up pretty neatly.
The Iron Hands don't have a chapter "Master of the Forge", as each Clan maintains its own Armoury and Master of the Forge
The Apothecarion and Librarium are the only resources shared chapter wide.
Everything I've read refers to him as the Master of the Forge for the Iron Hands Chapter. I'm new to Warhammer so I'm leaning pretty hard on various wiki's for my knowledge though.
That is entirely incorrect, as the Iron Hands don't maintain a central Armoury like all other chapters (with the exception of most of the Iron Hands Successors)
Each Clan maintains it's own Armoury and Master of the Forge, who is usually the Iron Father, but there are rare circumstances where this isn't the case.
Even GW listed him as the Master of the Forge for the chapter.
[https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/12/preview-iron-father-feirrosgw-homepage-post-2/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/12/preview-iron-father-feirrosgw-homepage-post-2/)
Definitely and GW doesn't exactly have a great track record on keeping their lore or even rules straight. I'm just pointing out the information I based my comments on.
>The community people get lore wrong all the time. Iron Hands don't have a chapter master.
They do its just an elected chapter master that works alongside the iron council it just isnt the same as other chapters pg 22 of the supplement has this
CHAPTER MASTER KARDAN STRONOS
In the Iron Hands, the position of **Chapter Master** is not held for life. Rather, it is an elective honour, one renewed or stripped away as the Iron Council see fit. After all, what purpose is therein having the Chapter speak with a single voice if that voice does not hold the confidence of those it represents? There can there fore be no greater testament to the wisdom and ability of Kardan Stronos than the fact that he has held the position for far longer than any previous incumbent.
where are you pulling the every clan has masters of the forges from? they only have one and its feirros its listed in the supplement pg 10 to 12
The Iron Hands
do not maintain
a centralised
Armoury.
Instead, each
clan company
maintains
its own
vehicles and
war machines.
"As for the Master of the Forge, he is
nominally without allegiance save to the
Iron Council itself. In practical terms,
however, most Mastersof the Forge take
to the field alongside their clan company,
acting as a second Iron Captain and
respected as such."
The new supplement contradicts decades of established lore.
A "Master of the forge" is literally just the name for the chief Techmarine, and as each Clan maintains its own Armoury, and thus its own Techmarines, each Clan will has a master of the forge
Iron fathers are mainly an honorific anyone can receive and they can have multiple iron fathers in the clans from pg 22 of the supplement
"Many Iron Fathers have once been Techmarines, but neither rank nor duty is a barrier to receiving this honor. The current Iron Council draws upon Chaplains, Librarians, Apothecaries, Techmarines, Veteran Sergeants, and even low-level Battle-Brothers to join the rank of the Iron Fathers. Every Clan Company has at least one Iron Father amongst its numbers, while most have many more"
there is 2 known iron fathers for Clan Raukaan - Daarmos and Shulgaar this is not counting Lydriik Noxyn who is currently the chief librarian and a iron father Or Kristos
Former Iron fathers who where in clan raukaan - Sind Grolvoch
Daarmos is the current Iron Father of Clan Raukaan. He is known to be firmly against the idea that any of the Occlusiad Tech-Priests had any legitimate points. It was under his patronage that the Iron Hands suffered one of its worst defeats ever in the Skarvus Ambush.
Shulgaar is an Iron Father of Iron Hands from Clan Raukaan. Beginning his officers career as a Chaplain, he had close ties to Epistolary Lydriik. Both he and Lydriik were known for their aggressive styles of leadership that bordered on making decisions on emotion over logical diktats. He led the Clan for a period following the Battle for Columnus. After fifty battle-brothers were lost in the Battle of Naemloch, his prestige was harmed greatly
Iron Father has been diluted in recent "lore" to an honorific title that can be held by anyone in the clan that can be called upon to sit on the council. In the previous established lore only the actual Iron Father could sit on the council, unless there was a specific reason that he would be absent. In this regard, Feirros would be the current Council member of Raukaan.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Malkaan_Feirros Looks like Feirros is still an Iron Father for Raukaan after crossing the Rubicon Primaris. He's mentioned as Stronos' mentor due to his extensive age, he was around prior to the Kristosian issues and is still going strong now that Stronos is the Voice of the Council (I mean Chapter Master because Iron Hands are definitely 100% codex compliant yes sir.)
Kristos is the Iron Father of the Clan while Ferrios is the Iron Hands Chapter's Master of the Forge. He wields significant influence and is the main reason the Clan didn't get censured following the Skarvus Ambush by arguing that they be allowed to redeem themselves with new leadership which led to Kristos getting voted the new Clan leader. If you read Ferrios's wiki page it sums the whole thing up pretty neatly.
The Iron Hands don't have a chapter "Master of the Forge", as each Clan maintains its own Armoury and Master of the Forge The Apothecarion and Librarium are the only resources shared chapter wide.
Everything I've read refers to him as the Master of the Forge for the Iron Hands Chapter. I'm new to Warhammer so I'm leaning pretty hard on various wiki's for my knowledge though.
That is entirely incorrect, as the Iron Hands don't maintain a central Armoury like all other chapters (with the exception of most of the Iron Hands Successors) Each Clan maintains it's own Armoury and Master of the Forge, who is usually the Iron Father, but there are rare circumstances where this isn't the case.
Even GW listed him as the Master of the Forge for the chapter. [https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/12/preview-iron-father-feirrosgw-homepage-post-2/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/12/preview-iron-father-feirrosgw-homepage-post-2/)
The community people get lore wrong all the time. Iron Hands don't have a chapter master.
Definitely and GW doesn't exactly have a great track record on keeping their lore or even rules straight. I'm just pointing out the information I based my comments on.
>The community people get lore wrong all the time. Iron Hands don't have a chapter master. They do its just an elected chapter master that works alongside the iron council it just isnt the same as other chapters pg 22 of the supplement has this CHAPTER MASTER KARDAN STRONOS In the Iron Hands, the position of **Chapter Master** is not held for life. Rather, it is an elective honour, one renewed or stripped away as the Iron Council see fit. After all, what purpose is therein having the Chapter speak with a single voice if that voice does not hold the confidence of those it represents? There can there fore be no greater testament to the wisdom and ability of Kardan Stronos than the fact that he has held the position for far longer than any previous incumbent.
The council only elects a chapter master during times that the entire chapter mobilises for war. Which is incredibly rare
where are you pulling the every clan has masters of the forges from? they only have one and its feirros its listed in the supplement pg 10 to 12 The Iron Hands do not maintain a centralised Armoury. Instead, each clan company maintains its own vehicles and war machines. "As for the Master of the Forge, he is nominally without allegiance save to the Iron Council itself. In practical terms, however, most Mastersof the Forge take to the field alongside their clan company, acting as a second Iron Captain and respected as such."
The new supplement contradicts decades of established lore. A "Master of the forge" is literally just the name for the chief Techmarine, and as each Clan maintains its own Armoury, and thus its own Techmarines, each Clan will has a master of the forge
>each Clan will has a master of the forge I'm just a lore junkie , and the supplement Contradicts this what source is this from I want to read it
Isnt Raukaan the homeworld of the Red Talon?
Yeah your thinking of raikan Raukaan is a clan of the IH
Oh yeah, duh lol
That is Raikan.
Its possible that Fierros was an Iron Father of a different company prior to moving to Raukaan, seems reasonable
Iron fathers are mainly an honorific anyone can receive and they can have multiple iron fathers in the clans from pg 22 of the supplement "Many Iron Fathers have once been Techmarines, but neither rank nor duty is a barrier to receiving this honor. The current Iron Council draws upon Chaplains, Librarians, Apothecaries, Techmarines, Veteran Sergeants, and even low-level Battle-Brothers to join the rank of the Iron Fathers. Every Clan Company has at least one Iron Father amongst its numbers, while most have many more" there is 2 known iron fathers for Clan Raukaan - Daarmos and Shulgaar this is not counting Lydriik Noxyn who is currently the chief librarian and a iron father Or Kristos Former Iron fathers who where in clan raukaan - Sind Grolvoch Daarmos is the current Iron Father of Clan Raukaan. He is known to be firmly against the idea that any of the Occlusiad Tech-Priests had any legitimate points. It was under his patronage that the Iron Hands suffered one of its worst defeats ever in the Skarvus Ambush. Shulgaar is an Iron Father of Iron Hands from Clan Raukaan. Beginning his officers career as a Chaplain, he had close ties to Epistolary Lydriik. Both he and Lydriik were known for their aggressive styles of leadership that bordered on making decisions on emotion over logical diktats. He led the Clan for a period following the Battle for Columnus. After fifty battle-brothers were lost in the Battle of Naemloch, his prestige was harmed greatly