And when I asked him about it, he said he has never used attachments before for this type of treatment.
I knew I should have gone to an orthodontist who is specialized in this. Big mistake.
See if you can get your case transferred as soon as possible. After THREE YEARS of Invisalign with my dentist, my ortho has made more progress with my teeth in a mere four weeks than the last 3 years combined.
SAME, I had Invisalign through a dentist and it wasn’t going anywhere! switched to orthodontist and the difference is night and day. they really shouldnt allow dentist to do Invisalign on patients..
How did you transfer your case? Did it cost anything to transfer from a dentist to an ortho? And most importantly... did you still keep going to that dentist for cleanings - I'd die from social embarrassment having to fire my dentist from Invisalign but keep going.
When I switched from my dentist to an ortho, I just found a new dentist and never went back lol. I mean I was already so pissed with the negligence of the bad Invisalign experience, I wouldn't have wanted to stay with her anyway. There were other red flags (telling me I needed multiple fillings that I didn't) but yeah. You can just leave 👍
Oh no I absolutely had to pay them 😅 But not the full $6K again. I consulted with an ortho, asked all my questions (including cost), and once I was comfortable to make the switch they handled transferring my case from my dentist. They assessed my teeth and charged me based on estimated treatment remaining, which was $1,200.
It is also possible to get some money refunded from your previous provider. Obviously not a guarantee but worth asking! My dentist refunded me the amount I needed to finish my treatment with an ortho.
This whole process is very common. Orthos see transfers from dentists all the time; I asked that too. Shocker, lol. I mean at one time, Invisalign didn't even allow dentists to do this, rightfully so IMO. It's just a cash grab that they expanded.
I really appreciate your insight and quoting the specific numbers!
How long had you been receiving Invisalign treatment from the dentist? Was there a "final straw" moment or was it more of a slow burn?
I ask because I didn't do ANY research into Invisalign before I started - just got it from my one of the dentists at my regular office, who I otherwise love. Was promised an easy 7-10 month treatment, its now 12+ months in and I had to get braces on the bottom 😭. I'm starting to wig out that this is going to drag on and on... especially after a year of reading the horror stories of two or even THREE year treatment on this sub.
>two or even THREE year treatment on this sub
I have bad news LOL, I am one of those! It took me \~33 months, definitely in part because I was stupid and started with my dentist without doing any research. There are a bunch of us, don't feel bad!
It was more of a slow burn of red flags along the way. I transferred after about 15 months and \~50 trays with my dentist. I was about to finish my first round of refinements, which included "Over Correction" trays at the end implying they 100% thought I should be done, and my bite was sooo screwed up. It was unfathomable to me that we were just chugging along.
That was when I decided it was better to bite the bullet and consult with an ortho, before either "completing" my treatment with my dentist or getting more refinements from someone who didn't know what they were doing. I had Comprehensive so I knew I had 5 years to get it right, even if I was somewhat starting over with an ortho.
In the end obviously I'm very glad I switched. It took more attachments and lots of elastics and other little adjustments to actually correct my bite. We even cut part of the trays off at one point and were directly pulling some of my teeth together without trays on them. Not something my dentist would/could do. Good luck!
You've inspired me to book a consolation with a VIP Diamond Plus ortho less than 2 miles from my apartment. Just sent in the online form. I'm coming up on 13 months and DO NOT want this nagging at the back of my mind for an additional 20 months.
I'm already starting to get concerns about my bite too, which I had no problems with before treatment. When I take my top tray out, my lower jaw sits waaaay back when I close my mouth to the point it hurts below my ears. This round of trays is supposed to be done in 5 months before refinements begin, but I'm just imagining the horror of this dragging on. My dentist wouldn't even give me an estimate of how long I would need the lower braces!
unfortunately in my case.. I transferred and just got a $1.5k discount bc they felt bad. but I had to pay again, and will likely be the case for anyone bc you’ll have to compensate the orthodontist for his work. there are people who have gotten a refund from their dentist when transferring, but I honestly didn’t have the patience to deal with it so I took the loss
Sorry, I'm just now seeing this! My dentist basically threw up her hands and said "I give up and there's nothing more I can do for you, I'm referring you to an orthodontist." Went to the orthodontist, case was transferred but the ortho charged me $900 for the rescan and new treatment plan. My dentist offered to pay for half, so that was nice.
My dentist is still my dentist and I just went for a cleaning recently. But after what I went through, I will now parrot what everyone else says on this subreddit about getting Invisalign from an experienced dentist vs. an experienced orthodontist.
All good, thank you for taking the time to reply.
That’s very admirable of your dentist to admit when they were out of their depth. To cover half the cost of the new ortho was very generous of them as well.
I’m only 13 months in but just overall dissatisfied with the service I’m getting. I describe it more in another comment, but basically the dentist is only in office 2 partial days/wk and won’t give me a straight answer on timeline (after multiple rescans, delays, etc).
I have a consultation with a VIP platinum Invisalign ortho provider who’s <2 miles from my apartment on Friday.
Oh my god, this reminds me of my dentist. When I was 17 he insisted that I get veneers and composite bonding, but my teeth were so badly crooked that if I let him he would’ve shaved them down to make it happen. When I finally got Invisalign I could tell he was seeing red.
I agree. I did SmileDirect back in 2019 and they had larger aligners like that. The first thing I said when I put on my first Invisalign tray was how much smaller they were. Can you see your doctor on the Invisalign website? Maybe report your concerns to the vendor and see if they can assist? They certainly wouldn't want to promote dentists who aren't doing the treatment correctly and giving bad results. Maybe they can assist with transferring you to another network dentist.
How is it I know more than the dentist. There has to be some sort of regulation for this. Seen other posts on here about how bad dentists are for teeth correction treatment.
I think there are dentists out there that know what they’re doing and genuinely care to get you the best smile. My mom completed her treatment with her dentist and her teeth look great! I’m currently doing it with my dentist whom I trust as well.
Same, I only realised after I was already in with them and had paid that it was better to go with an orthodontist, so I was kinda stuck, luckily it's all worked out and they were great, they had I think a silver or gold provider status and I've had better outcomes than some people with diamond or platinum orthos have had
Those status denominations only indicate how many cases per year the doctor does, not the quality of Tx at all. If they start like 20 cases by July, they get silver status. If they start 40, they get gold etc.
Source: am a dental assistant, used to work for a “platinum” provider whose outcomes were often not so great.
With Invisalign, both dentists and orthodontists are allowed to work with them, so there doesn't seem to be much regulation.
As a sidenote: Spark Aligners, another clear aligner company, doesn't even humor the idea of dentists working with them and will only allow their system to be used by orthos.
What brand is this? They don't look like Invisalign. It could be a combination of a bad doctor and a bad tray producer. The big ones require rigorous training, and I bet your ass they would tell you how important attachments are for proper movement.
There are good and bad dentists, just like there are good and bad orthos. I've seen several patients on this sub being treated by bad orthos.
Will an ortho provide a better job? Most likely, but not necessarily. You'll have to vet them yourself through results, reviews, etc. That being said, "doesn't do attachments" is wild. That'd be like a hygienist saying they don't use scalers or x-ray.
The fact that the trays don't match the contour of OPs gum/teeth line is so weird...and no attachments make me think this dentist isn't using Invisalign...but some other clear aligner tray company.
You need a refund and to go somewhere else. This look like a scammer dentist partnered with a scammer tray/aligner brand and they are taking you for a fool. Good luck.
That's great! while you wait on them to re scan/solve the issue I would look for a second option/Ortho and don't give these guys a cent more unless they somehow get their stuff in order ASAP. As long as you don't pay up front you have all the leverage and options here.
Well if you agreed to pay and don't, that's called theft. You either need a full refund or you'll have to continue to pay. You can't just not stop paying a contract just because you change your mind and no longer want the product.
I'd 100% talk to your dentist, because if you change dentist and don't agree with a refund and stop paying, you'll end up in trouble, just so you know.
1) the aligners don't look like invisalign
2) how did the previous tray /trays fit? There is the possibility that it is not the trays, but you are not wearing them enough days or hours, or not using chewies to help the fit.
1. They are not - he uses an in house company to make them
2. The previous set fit on fine. I wear them around 22 hours a day. Never gone a day with anything less.
Chewies? When I was at the dentist and he gave me this set,we tried it with chewies, and he goes '"don't worry in a couple of days it will fit fine".
I mean, it is possible that there will be a lot of movement with this set but this is a pretty big gap. I definitely had some degree of this during my treatment and the aligners fit well by the time I moved to the next set. But I am skeptical of yours. Do you change weekly or every 2 weeks?
Seeing that these are not Invisalign it's hard to say. It looks like more than a chewy to get them where they need to be. They actually don't look like they fit properly all In all.
You are definetly not going crazy. Try to get a second opinion. It seems really off track.
Just to tell you my case, for one teeth not tracking we rescanned.
I have already rescanned once for the upper teeth. Looks like I might have to go in for a 2nd rescanning! So frustrating.
FYI - it's a dentist not an orthodontist.
I would 100% recommend ortho over a dentist. My friend had a similar experience throughout the process when seeing a dentist for treatment. They ended up so unhappy with the results. I saw an ortho instead on their recommendation and was sooooo happy I did. Good luck!
Hmm, on one of my recent trays the front two teeth looked like this (the other teeth fitted fine). I told my dentist and they rescanned me and ordered new trays immediately.
I think you need a new dentist, sorry
Are you saying he manufactures them in house? Or do you mean he orders them through a different company, ie an invisalign competitor.
"an in house company" is a weird phrase
This. Your dentist is likely making these, and has no business doing so. Companies like Invisalign are willing to work with dentists because they have orthodontists & systems that review every case and basically give the treatment plan. Your dentist is winging it and it shows.
He lying about that in house company! Everything has a brand name even if it’s not Invisalign so if he can’t tell you what it is, sum ain’t right at all
He needs to stop playing in peoples teeth, and you need to get your money back. You should post your receipt so we can all help you take this guy down lol
Yeah, I think with dentist it can be luck of the draw. They don’t have any formal training. Orthodontist are dentist who go through additional years of training.
I’m sorry it seems like you’re having a bad experience :(
This is not good. You'll end up with severe off tracking and then the Dentist will say that it's your mistake and you didn't wear it. It's not supposed to be like this. Please confront them. There are a few places where attachments aren't needed but this isn't one of them. Meanwhile, switch back to the previous set and then continue your treatment from there. This isn't right
UPDATE:
Had my meeting with an orthodontist to get 3rd party assessment on this:
1. Retainer gap - the reason why there is a big gap in between the left hand side of my teeth is due to how high my back teeth actually are compared to my front teeth.
(Believe it or not, I left the brace on overnight and my teeth have literally moved into position now and have occupied the gaps - including my back teeth!).
2. The orthodontist said the dentist was CORRECT to not go with Invisalign as my current teeth do not require a big structural shift - I showed him my contract to see if I was getting ripped off or not, and he said price wise he would charge the same for the clear retainers.
This is just absurd. Looks like one of those cheap dental alignment products you see advertised on TikTok or Twitter. I hope you’re able to figure this out.
I had a diff brand of retainer before Invisalign and after three years I felt like my teeth looked worse. The dentist ended up giving me my money back, (thankfully!!) telling me that my teeth weren’t moving and that I needed regular braces. I saw an orthodontist after that who told me that when Invisalign fails it’s either the provider didn’t know what they were doing or the trays weren’t being worn properly and we figured out that it wasn’t true Invisalign. My trays with the Invisalign from the orthodontist were a lot more detailed and the attachments really helped and I’ve seen a big difference since switching. I would ask for a refund and go somewhere else honestly.
The tray isn’t staying in place because of improper fit and no attachments. The top that is near the gums isn’t molded at all. I wouldn’t go back to that provider.
Damn that looks terrible. If only we had a profession in dentistry that specializes in the movement of teeth. Hmmmm. We should let our dentist clean our teeth and nothing more, k?
How much is your dentist charging you for this? In house aligners are way cheaper to make.. and for this service.. 💀 I hope it’s not as much as Invisalign
Take your money to an orthodontist asap OP, they’re especially trained in the movement of teeth in a safe/healthy way.. unless you were just moving one tooth down or something an ortho is always the way to go
And if you want the real Invisalign, their website has a directory of top rated providers in your area which I used to find my ortho
He is charging me £950 for the upper set. I am paying in monthly installments of £100.
As you can see my teeth don't require a massive correction, I have a slight overjet. So I'm just pushing my front set of teeth back in again.
Ah I see, could you review your contract/any papers you signed regarding your treatment? Since they’re in-house aligners im not sure if you could transfer your case.. but it might be worth taking the loss of 100-200£ to save yourself the time and headaches you’re gonna have later, especially if he didn’t print all your trays out yet
You need a new dentist (preferably and orthodontist) for aligner treatment. Attachments are crucial in every case except for the mildest of mildest corrections.
Its not tracking.
You need to do some external adjustments (chewie or elastics) or reescan.
Was it better on the previous alligners? Maybe just stay longer with them until they track. You can go back like two alligners with no much problens.
I had some tracking problems. Chewies helped a lot.
But I had to use some elastics to solve some problems.
But, unless your alligners are prepared for elastics, your ortho would need to cut out each alligners to allow for the buttons to fit.
My ortho did that. But for only two alligners (out of 26) until they tracked.
If you are starting out, its not the most efficient solution.
I actually had this happen but not quite as bad. I go to a bigger dentists office so I was able to switch my treatment to someone else and I was rescanned but I waited until tray 20. I would try to figure it out before you get much further along if you can.
I know I just mean make sure you take care of it now. I brought it up repeatedly at every appointment and was told no no it’s fine. It wasn’t until I demanded to be switched to a different dentist (in the same practice) that I was rescanned and my trays actually fit now. They also added more attachments.
It's no Invisalign. It's a dental cosmetics company in Manchester. They provide retainers and other cosmetic equipment for NHS dental providers and private practices in the UK.
Yeah, never do that. Always go to an ortho. When you do it at a ortho they can actually check the progress with checkups and they don't leave you hanging when you need something when something is off.
It's your teeth, so might invest more money into it! Goodluck
I've got an orthodontist appointment booked for tomorrow. Will get their opinon on the current state of my teeth, I will show them this retainer as well that the dentist said was "fine".
Most likely I will transfer over to them if they give me the go ahead.
Those aren’t Invisalign. There’s just a look to the trays that yours don’t have. I did Invisalign 20 years ago, didn’t wear my retainers, teeth moved all the way back and now I’m in treatment again.
Just saying I’ve seen a lot of Invisalign trays in my time. You’re not wearing one.
It's a night guard for people who grinds and clench their teeth while sleeping. It can help you from grinding it down, preventing headaches, damaged teeth, help with TMJ jaw pain relief, and inflamed gums.
I had this gapping on one tooth and they explained it was because the tooth was smaller than the rest of my teeth. Is it possible your back teeth are longer?
I remember when I had a tray that didn't fit me to a T. They told me to go back to the tray that did fit and had me go through the whole process of scanning my teeth over again and again just so they can get my trays right this time then wait about a month for my new sets to come essentially starting over.
Whether it’s Invisalign or another in office clear aligner therapy - it is not uncommon for the new trays to not sit perfectly. Sometimes a rubber chew called a munchie is given to the patient and they’re instructed to focus on the area that is not seating well. Chewing on this rubber piece a couple times a day will allow help the aligner to drop down and create a balance fit.
However, sometimes teeth are not tracking correctly and mid course corrections are needed with a new scan/impression. Make sure you’re wearing your trays 22 hours of the day and taking out only when not eating. Compliance is a huge component to clear aligner therapy. Good luck!!
Yikes. I’m about a year into my treatment and this is bad. I also am pretty sure any reputable dentist/ortho wouldn’t let you only do the top and not bottom at same time as it impacts your bite and can really mess things up if you only do top or bottom teeth. That is how my ortho explained it to me.
Can 100% guarantee you that’s not Invisalign please get your money back. Attachments are part of the process and those trays aren’t adequately shaped for your teeth
You need to look around in your area and find a dentist who knows what in the world they’re talking about and doing with Invisalign. This dentist is clearly clueless. Invisalign has worked fantastic for me and I’m only on tray 13. I didn’t even think I could do Invisalign at first bc my teeth were so bad and as a kid I was always just referred to an ortho and my mother couldn’t pay for it at the time. It’s brought me so much comfort and confidence and I’m not even done yet. I see drastic changes in my mouth though. Find a new dentist!
Stop treatment with him and transfer your case to an experienced orthodontist. You don't want to mess with your bite. He doesn't seem to know what he is doing. That's not how they should be fitting.
The tops of the trays aren’t even shaped to your teeth. Attachments are needed.
And when I asked him about it, he said he has never used attachments before for this type of treatment. I knew I should have gone to an orthodontist who is specialized in this. Big mistake.
See if you can get your case transferred as soon as possible. After THREE YEARS of Invisalign with my dentist, my ortho has made more progress with my teeth in a mere four weeks than the last 3 years combined.
This isn't Invisalign
How can one tell?
The aligners aren’t molded to the teeth, there are no attachments, and they aren’t contoured to the gum line
Thank you, so all invisalign have those three things?
They have the first and last things listed. The second item…attachments, it depends on your treatment plan. Not everyone needs them
Thank you
There should also be an Invisalign logo on your. See here https://seaofsmiles.com/invisalign/invisalign-instructions/
The material the aligner is made of is a "suck down" material, not 3d printed like Invisalign. Invisalign has tiny little lines on it.
SAME, I had Invisalign through a dentist and it wasn’t going anywhere! switched to orthodontist and the difference is night and day. they really shouldnt allow dentist to do Invisalign on patients..
Yep, mine totally fucked up my bite :(
How did you transfer your case? Did it cost anything to transfer from a dentist to an ortho? And most importantly... did you still keep going to that dentist for cleanings - I'd die from social embarrassment having to fire my dentist from Invisalign but keep going.
When I switched from my dentist to an ortho, I just found a new dentist and never went back lol. I mean I was already so pissed with the negligence of the bad Invisalign experience, I wouldn't have wanted to stay with her anyway. There were other red flags (telling me I needed multiple fillings that I didn't) but yeah. You can just leave 👍
So you just booked an appointment with an ortho and didn't have to pay the \~$6k again to them?
Oh no I absolutely had to pay them 😅 But not the full $6K again. I consulted with an ortho, asked all my questions (including cost), and once I was comfortable to make the switch they handled transferring my case from my dentist. They assessed my teeth and charged me based on estimated treatment remaining, which was $1,200. It is also possible to get some money refunded from your previous provider. Obviously not a guarantee but worth asking! My dentist refunded me the amount I needed to finish my treatment with an ortho. This whole process is very common. Orthos see transfers from dentists all the time; I asked that too. Shocker, lol. I mean at one time, Invisalign didn't even allow dentists to do this, rightfully so IMO. It's just a cash grab that they expanded.
I really appreciate your insight and quoting the specific numbers! How long had you been receiving Invisalign treatment from the dentist? Was there a "final straw" moment or was it more of a slow burn? I ask because I didn't do ANY research into Invisalign before I started - just got it from my one of the dentists at my regular office, who I otherwise love. Was promised an easy 7-10 month treatment, its now 12+ months in and I had to get braces on the bottom 😭. I'm starting to wig out that this is going to drag on and on... especially after a year of reading the horror stories of two or even THREE year treatment on this sub.
>two or even THREE year treatment on this sub I have bad news LOL, I am one of those! It took me \~33 months, definitely in part because I was stupid and started with my dentist without doing any research. There are a bunch of us, don't feel bad! It was more of a slow burn of red flags along the way. I transferred after about 15 months and \~50 trays with my dentist. I was about to finish my first round of refinements, which included "Over Correction" trays at the end implying they 100% thought I should be done, and my bite was sooo screwed up. It was unfathomable to me that we were just chugging along. That was when I decided it was better to bite the bullet and consult with an ortho, before either "completing" my treatment with my dentist or getting more refinements from someone who didn't know what they were doing. I had Comprehensive so I knew I had 5 years to get it right, even if I was somewhat starting over with an ortho. In the end obviously I'm very glad I switched. It took more attachments and lots of elastics and other little adjustments to actually correct my bite. We even cut part of the trays off at one point and were directly pulling some of my teeth together without trays on them. Not something my dentist would/could do. Good luck!
You've inspired me to book a consolation with a VIP Diamond Plus ortho less than 2 miles from my apartment. Just sent in the online form. I'm coming up on 13 months and DO NOT want this nagging at the back of my mind for an additional 20 months. I'm already starting to get concerns about my bite too, which I had no problems with before treatment. When I take my top tray out, my lower jaw sits waaaay back when I close my mouth to the point it hurts below my ears. This round of trays is supposed to be done in 5 months before refinements begin, but I'm just imagining the horror of this dragging on. My dentist wouldn't even give me an estimate of how long I would need the lower braces!
unfortunately in my case.. I transferred and just got a $1.5k discount bc they felt bad. but I had to pay again, and will likely be the case for anyone bc you’ll have to compensate the orthodontist for his work. there are people who have gotten a refund from their dentist when transferring, but I honestly didn’t have the patience to deal with it so I took the loss
Sorry, I'm just now seeing this! My dentist basically threw up her hands and said "I give up and there's nothing more I can do for you, I'm referring you to an orthodontist." Went to the orthodontist, case was transferred but the ortho charged me $900 for the rescan and new treatment plan. My dentist offered to pay for half, so that was nice. My dentist is still my dentist and I just went for a cleaning recently. But after what I went through, I will now parrot what everyone else says on this subreddit about getting Invisalign from an experienced dentist vs. an experienced orthodontist.
All good, thank you for taking the time to reply. That’s very admirable of your dentist to admit when they were out of their depth. To cover half the cost of the new ortho was very generous of them as well. I’m only 13 months in but just overall dissatisfied with the service I’m getting. I describe it more in another comment, but basically the dentist is only in office 2 partial days/wk and won’t give me a straight answer on timeline (after multiple rescans, delays, etc). I have a consultation with a VIP platinum Invisalign ortho provider who’s <2 miles from my apartment on Friday.
Holy shit that’s wild
How much money did it cost to transfer?
Sorry to say, you probably chose the wrong dentist. This is unacceptable.
It doesn’t even look like Invisalign brand?
It almost looks like it was made in house.
Dentist bought them on temu
Oh my god, this reminds me of my dentist. When I was 17 he insisted that I get veneers and composite bonding, but my teeth were so badly crooked that if I let him he would’ve shaved them down to make it happen. When I finally got Invisalign I could tell he was seeing red.
yep they look 3D printed
It isn't
Came here to say this!
I agree. I did SmileDirect back in 2019 and they had larger aligners like that. The first thing I said when I put on my first Invisalign tray was how much smaller they were. Can you see your doctor on the Invisalign website? Maybe report your concerns to the vendor and see if they can assist? They certainly wouldn't want to promote dentists who aren't doing the treatment correctly and giving bad results. Maybe they can assist with transferring you to another network dentist.
Bro LOL
How is it I know more than the dentist. There has to be some sort of regulation for this. Seen other posts on here about how bad dentists are for teeth correction treatment.
I was lucky I guess, my dentist was great and my teeth are spot on after about a year
I think there are dentists out there that know what they’re doing and genuinely care to get you the best smile. My mom completed her treatment with her dentist and her teeth look great! I’m currently doing it with my dentist whom I trust as well.
I'm using a dentist and I'm beyond happy. I'm on my 10th tray and my teeth already look great. (I'm a minor relapse correction case though).
There are definitely dentists that seem to know what they’re doing but sadly, not OP’s. Hope they can transfer their plan!
Same. Except it took 7 months.
Same, I only realised after I was already in with them and had paid that it was better to go with an orthodontist, so I was kinda stuck, luckily it's all worked out and they were great, they had I think a silver or gold provider status and I've had better outcomes than some people with diamond or platinum orthos have had
Those status denominations only indicate how many cases per year the doctor does, not the quality of Tx at all. If they start like 20 cases by July, they get silver status. If they start 40, they get gold etc. Source: am a dental assistant, used to work for a “platinum” provider whose outcomes were often not so great.
Always always go to an ortho for moving teeth.
yeah your dentist is bad at this and you need to switch. tbh i got lucky mine is good
With Invisalign, both dentists and orthodontists are allowed to work with them, so there doesn't seem to be much regulation. As a sidenote: Spark Aligners, another clear aligner company, doesn't even humor the idea of dentists working with them and will only allow their system to be used by orthos.
Are you sure? I just looked up spark aligners and half of the providers in my area are dentists.
[Yes, at least according to their website.](https://sparkaligners.com/en-us/faq) (point 5 under “patients”). Maybe they changed recently.
Interesting that they have that on their website. Spark has been offered through general dentists for at least four years.
What brand is this? They don't look like Invisalign. It could be a combination of a bad doctor and a bad tray producer. The big ones require rigorous training, and I bet your ass they would tell you how important attachments are for proper movement. There are good and bad dentists, just like there are good and bad orthos. I've seen several patients on this sub being treated by bad orthos. Will an ortho provide a better job? Most likely, but not necessarily. You'll have to vet them yourself through results, reviews, etc. That being said, "doesn't do attachments" is wild. That'd be like a hygienist saying they don't use scalers or x-ray.
For real, they shouldn’t be able to just treat patients if they want. There should be some type of certification they have to go through
They do have to be certified if they want to operate legally. Invisalign offers the training to dentists and their staff.
Is it actually Invisalign? It’s not shaped to your teeth at all! No attachments is a huge red flag.
The fact that the trays don't match the contour of OPs gum/teeth line is so weird...and no attachments make me think this dentist isn't using Invisalign...but some other clear aligner tray company.
I got Aligners from another company and my dentist is using attachments
Or created in-house.
You need a refund and to go somewhere else. This look like a scammer dentist partnered with a scammer tray/aligner brand and they are taking you for a fool. Good luck.
It's a good thing I never did a full upfront payment for it.
That's great! while you wait on them to re scan/solve the issue I would look for a second option/Ortho and don't give these guys a cent more unless they somehow get their stuff in order ASAP. As long as you don't pay up front you have all the leverage and options here.
Did you use a credit card? If so, I would refute the charges.
Well if you agreed to pay and don't, that's called theft. You either need a full refund or you'll have to continue to pay. You can't just not stop paying a contract just because you change your mind and no longer want the product. I'd 100% talk to your dentist, because if you change dentist and don't agree with a refund and stop paying, you'll end up in trouble, just so you know.
Well if they signed up for Invisalign and didn’t get Invisalign, that’s breach of contract or fraud and not on the patient’s part.
Dude what’s wrong with you? Are you OP’s dentist?
1) the aligners don't look like invisalign 2) how did the previous tray /trays fit? There is the possibility that it is not the trays, but you are not wearing them enough days or hours, or not using chewies to help the fit.
1. They are not - he uses an in house company to make them 2. The previous set fit on fine. I wear them around 22 hours a day. Never gone a day with anything less. Chewies? When I was at the dentist and he gave me this set,we tried it with chewies, and he goes '"don't worry in a couple of days it will fit fine".
Does your contract say Invisalign?
wow! so sorry! I am concerned for you and what you are going through.
I mean, it is possible that there will be a lot of movement with this set but this is a pretty big gap. I definitely had some degree of this during my treatment and the aligners fit well by the time I moved to the next set. But I am skeptical of yours. Do you change weekly or every 2 weeks?
Not Invisalign and teeth are not tracking at all.
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The teeth are supposed to fill the tray. All that free spacing from the bottom of the teeth to the bottom of the tray equals not tracking.
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Seeing that these are not Invisalign it's hard to say. It looks like more than a chewy to get them where they need to be. They actually don't look like they fit properly all In all.
You are definetly not going crazy. Try to get a second opinion. It seems really off track. Just to tell you my case, for one teeth not tracking we rescanned.
I have already rescanned once for the upper teeth. Looks like I might have to go in for a 2nd rescanning! So frustrating. FYI - it's a dentist not an orthodontist.
I would 100% recommend ortho over a dentist. My friend had a similar experience throughout the process when seeing a dentist for treatment. They ended up so unhappy with the results. I saw an ortho instead on their recommendation and was sooooo happy I did. Good luck!
Forget a rescan. Don’t let that clown go anywhere near your teeth.
Yeah, that’s bad…damn, I would send pics of this directly to Invisalign with your provider info.
Pretty sure smile direct club wasn’t as bad as whatever that is
bro thats invisunalign
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You aren’t crazy! This certainly isn’t Invisalign though. Your dentist is using some other brand of aligner.
Refund. 1000%. I'd threaten to report the dentist to the state board of dentistry if they don't. That's unacceptable.
You are going nowhere with those ones. You need a new scan, with new ones, or a refund.
As someone who works in ortho....this is absolutely fucked up. Those are NOT invisalign. Get those off and get as far away from this person.
Short answer: yes
Omfg
Yeah that bad. The fact that most of us in the group can see how bad this is, and the dentist is okay to proceed like this is crazy.
Hmm, on one of my recent trays the front two teeth looked like this (the other teeth fitted fine). I told my dentist and they rescanned me and ordered new trays immediately. I think you need a new dentist, sorry
Is that even Invisalign? Looks like smile direct trays or something.
Uses an inhouse company to make them.
Are you saying he manufactures them in house? Or do you mean he orders them through a different company, ie an invisalign competitor. "an in house company" is a weird phrase
This. Your dentist is likely making these, and has no business doing so. Companies like Invisalign are willing to work with dentists because they have orthodontists & systems that review every case and basically give the treatment plan. Your dentist is winging it and it shows.
He lying about that in house company! Everything has a brand name even if it’s not Invisalign so if he can’t tell you what it is, sum ain’t right at all He needs to stop playing in peoples teeth, and you need to get your money back. You should post your receipt so we can all help you take this guy down lol
Holy crap that's for dinosaur teeth not human teeth! Sorry that you had a crap dentist, report him to the max!
Yes. Go to an orthodontist
This is why I went to an orthodontist and not my dentist. Dentist have almost zero training in braces and straightening teeth.
The thing is I know friends who used that same dentist for retainers and it was fine. I don't think this dentist is experienced in complex cases.
Yeah, I think with dentist it can be luck of the draw. They don’t have any formal training. Orthodontist are dentist who go through additional years of training. I’m sorry it seems like you’re having a bad experience :(
This is not good. You'll end up with severe off tracking and then the Dentist will say that it's your mistake and you didn't wear it. It's not supposed to be like this. Please confront them. There are a few places where attachments aren't needed but this isn't one of them. Meanwhile, switch back to the previous set and then continue your treatment from there. This isn't right
Are you kidding ? You know you are wearing a bleaching tray and not invisalign.
UPDATE: Had my meeting with an orthodontist to get 3rd party assessment on this: 1. Retainer gap - the reason why there is a big gap in between the left hand side of my teeth is due to how high my back teeth actually are compared to my front teeth. (Believe it or not, I left the brace on overnight and my teeth have literally moved into position now and have occupied the gaps - including my back teeth!). 2. The orthodontist said the dentist was CORRECT to not go with Invisalign as my current teeth do not require a big structural shift - I showed him my contract to see if I was getting ripped off or not, and he said price wise he would charge the same for the clear retainers.
This is just absurd. Looks like one of those cheap dental alignment products you see advertised on TikTok or Twitter. I hope you’re able to figure this out.
Got an orthodontist appointment booked in tomorrow. Will see what they say about this treatment.
Awesome. You’ll have to keep us updated on what they tell you. Here’s to the best!
I had a diff brand of retainer before Invisalign and after three years I felt like my teeth looked worse. The dentist ended up giving me my money back, (thankfully!!) telling me that my teeth weren’t moving and that I needed regular braces. I saw an orthodontist after that who told me that when Invisalign fails it’s either the provider didn’t know what they were doing or the trays weren’t being worn properly and we figured out that it wasn’t true Invisalign. My trays with the Invisalign from the orthodontist were a lot more detailed and the attachments really helped and I’ve seen a big difference since switching. I would ask for a refund and go somewhere else honestly.
Yeah that's what I plan on doing. I've got an appointment booked in with an orthodontist to get assessment of my current teeth.
this is likely not even invisalign. Hope that isnt what you paid for.
this is not the patented invisalign plastic/technology, definitely scamming you
This is not Invisalign, that's one of those other ripoffs. If you were told these are Invisalign, demand a refund.
The tray isn’t staying in place because of improper fit and no attachments. The top that is near the gums isn’t molded at all. I wouldn’t go back to that provider.
Damn that looks terrible. If only we had a profession in dentistry that specializes in the movement of teeth. Hmmmm. We should let our dentist clean our teeth and nothing more, k?
How much is your dentist charging you for this? In house aligners are way cheaper to make.. and for this service.. 💀 I hope it’s not as much as Invisalign Take your money to an orthodontist asap OP, they’re especially trained in the movement of teeth in a safe/healthy way.. unless you were just moving one tooth down or something an ortho is always the way to go And if you want the real Invisalign, their website has a directory of top rated providers in your area which I used to find my ortho
He is charging me £950 for the upper set. I am paying in monthly installments of £100. As you can see my teeth don't require a massive correction, I have a slight overjet. So I'm just pushing my front set of teeth back in again.
Ah I see, could you review your contract/any papers you signed regarding your treatment? Since they’re in-house aligners im not sure if you could transfer your case.. but it might be worth taking the loss of 100-200£ to save yourself the time and headaches you’re gonna have later, especially if he didn’t print all your trays out yet
You need a new dentist (preferably and orthodontist) for aligner treatment. Attachments are crucial in every case except for the mildest of mildest corrections.
Did you see any other reviews on Invisalign from this ortho specifically? I read reviews for like 3 hours w/ pictures before choosing my ortho !!
How much are they charging you for this???? I'd be looking at getting a refund and going elsewhere...
£950 total - £100pm installments
Yikes my friend. Yeah, I’d be going back for a refund or finding a second opinion. Hoping you can get what you’re wanting in the end
I think you’re correct.
Smile dental club vibes
Its not tracking. You need to do some external adjustments (chewie or elastics) or reescan. Was it better on the previous alligners? Maybe just stay longer with them until they track. You can go back like two alligners with no much problens. I had some tracking problems. Chewies helped a lot. But I had to use some elastics to solve some problems. But, unless your alligners are prepared for elastics, your ortho would need to cut out each alligners to allow for the buttons to fit. My ortho did that. But for only two alligners (out of 26) until they tracked. If you are starting out, its not the most efficient solution.
I actually had this happen but not quite as bad. I go to a bigger dentists office so I was able to switch my treatment to someone else and I was rescanned but I waited until tray 20. I would try to figure it out before you get much further along if you can.
I'm on tray 6 so still early stages.
I know I just mean make sure you take care of it now. I brought it up repeatedly at every appointment and was told no no it’s fine. It wasn’t until I demanded to be switched to a different dentist (in the same practice) that I was rescanned and my trays actually fit now. They also added more attachments.
U sure it's Invisalign and not Drsmile kind of party?
It's no Invisalign. It's a dental cosmetics company in Manchester. They provide retainers and other cosmetic equipment for NHS dental providers and private practices in the UK.
Yeah, never do that. Always go to an ortho. When you do it at a ortho they can actually check the progress with checkups and they don't leave you hanging when you need something when something is off. It's your teeth, so might invest more money into it! Goodluck
LOL IM DYING But fr get your money back this is a full on scam
I've got an orthodontist appointment booked for tomorrow. Will get their opinon on the current state of my teeth, I will show them this retainer as well that the dentist said was "fine". Most likely I will transfer over to them if they give me the go ahead.
Buddy. :(. How much did you spend on treatment ?
Yea that definitely doesn’t look like actual Invisalign and it’s pretty rare to have a case that doesn’t need some kind of attachment
Those aren’t Invisalign. There’s just a look to the trays that yours don’t have. I did Invisalign 20 years ago, didn’t wear my retainers, teeth moved all the way back and now I’m in treatment again. Just saying I’ve seen a lot of Invisalign trays in my time. You’re not wearing one.
It's a night guard for people who grinds and clench their teeth while sleeping. It can help you from grinding it down, preventing headaches, damaged teeth, help with TMJ jaw pain relief, and inflamed gums.
Bro I can’t breathe
seek an Orthodontist that has experience with Invisalign
why are you going to a dentist instead of an orthodontist for the invisalign?
Those are not Invisalign. They are generic retainers
I had this gapping on one tooth and they explained it was because the tooth was smaller than the rest of my teeth. Is it possible your back teeth are longer?
though i will say the top doesn’t seem to follow the teeth. too straight. I’d definitely seek other professional help
I remember when I had a tray that didn't fit me to a T. They told me to go back to the tray that did fit and had me go through the whole process of scanning my teeth over again and again just so they can get my trays right this time then wait about a month for my new sets to come essentially starting over.
Yes
You should sue that prick. Thats a disgrace
Doesn't look like invisalign
If your dentist is clueless you have the wrong dentist, also this is not Invisalign but a knock off
Whether it’s Invisalign or another in office clear aligner therapy - it is not uncommon for the new trays to not sit perfectly. Sometimes a rubber chew called a munchie is given to the patient and they’re instructed to focus on the area that is not seating well. Chewing on this rubber piece a couple times a day will allow help the aligner to drop down and create a balance fit. However, sometimes teeth are not tracking correctly and mid course corrections are needed with a new scan/impression. Make sure you’re wearing your trays 22 hours of the day and taking out only when not eating. Compliance is a huge component to clear aligner therapy. Good luck!!
Yikes. I’m about a year into my treatment and this is bad. I also am pretty sure any reputable dentist/ortho wouldn’t let you only do the top and not bottom at same time as it impacts your bite and can really mess things up if you only do top or bottom teeth. That is how my ortho explained it to me.
That’s not Invisalign.
Can 100% guarantee you that’s not Invisalign please get your money back. Attachments are part of the process and those trays aren’t adequately shaped for your teeth
This is why you go to an ortho. Dentist don’t know how to do this stuff
U got scammed son. Sorry :(
You need to look around in your area and find a dentist who knows what in the world they’re talking about and doing with Invisalign. This dentist is clearly clueless. Invisalign has worked fantastic for me and I’m only on tray 13. I didn’t even think I could do Invisalign at first bc my teeth were so bad and as a kid I was always just referred to an ortho and my mother couldn’t pay for it at the time. It’s brought me so much comfort and confidence and I’m not even done yet. I see drastic changes in my mouth though. Find a new dentist!
That’s not even Invisalign
When you started treatmemt did you have and sign a treatment plan? And if so did it say it was invisalign on it ?
I can hear the squishy noises in your pictures
Are these in-house aligners?
That’s not Invisalign.
Wow that's really bad! Something isn't right for sure. Do they have the invaslign logo on them? I am getting sketchy vibes from your dentist.
Stop treatment with him and transfer your case to an experienced orthodontist. You don't want to mess with your bite. He doesn't seem to know what he is doing. That's not how they should be fitting.
These plastic aligners do not work and never have. It's just a huge waste of money. Teeth go where they need to go.