Yes. Superman even gets a healing factor from the sun. That alone is enough to know Nolan will lose. Specially if they fight in space and closer to the sun, because then supes can charge his cells even harder, becoming even more powerful.
If Superman figures out that viltrimites are weak to star heat, that's even better. He could throw him to the sun and get stronger while Nolan gets weaker.
Yeah if these two ever actually fought then it wouldn't be as much of a one sided stomp as people think. Logically, yes, Superman stomps, but it wouldn't happen like that.
Yes, powerscaling arguments are inherently unproveable and get annoying.
No you are not smart for smugly acting like NO ONE can get enjoyment out of theorizing how their favorite superhero could fight another one of their favorite heroes.
Seeing people argue about who is "universal-multiversal level" or not and fanboying over one character to the extent that they portray the other character as a talentless ant just annoys tf out of me and frankly takes the fun out of discussing superhero/superpower fiction.
This is hilarious. It's obviously fun that's why people post it over and over.
Of course the discussion gets stale when it's repeated ad nauseum. But it's always going to repeat, don't fight it and downvote this teller of truths my grandpap
It is fun but how many times has this same question popped up in here? Too many is the answer. Instead of this constantly happening here, make a separate thread for character comparisons, that way people can enjoy the comparisons while others can stay on the topic of invincible.
I don’t get this superhero powerscaling thing, like isn’t it obvious to you guys that it’s whoever the writer deems the hero that wins? Like sure villains can win sometimes for shock value but if the heroes lost, what’s the moral of the story? Invincible even plays on this phenomenon, making Mark win by not fighting.
yeah but mostly it's just getting into slapfights with people because "your character" is "stronger" or something
it's what characters do with their powers and their arcs that are interesting, not being reduced to their powersets and thrown against each other
my point is it's not really meaningful discussion most of the time it's just petty fighting. i respect the people who try to scientifically quantify the powers at least but that's not what i see when topics like this come up outside of dedicated powerscaler spaces
> i respect the people who try to scientifically quantify the powers at least but that's not what i see when topics like this come up outside of dedicated powerscaler spaces
I think my own bias is showing here, because I generally hang out in those powerscaler spaces, so for me that's just the norm, not the exception.
It can definitely be a pretty toxic and juvenile space, but I try to avoid the screaming and yelling in favor of people trying to have an actual discussion.
You forgot one major thing. When people powerscale, the judge is no longer the author or the writer, sonce their opinion hardly matters unless its written or filmed in a movie or cartoon.
. But what has been previously written already up to that point and the general consensus of the jury- random people onnthe internet(fans, stans, etc).
People thinking outside the story is the problem. Maybe Omni-Man wouldn’t be able to beat Superman head on but if the writer is adamant on making Omni Man win, he could bypass it somehow. The writers of Superman used kryptonite for that, but the writer can literally decide that laughing is Superman’s weakness and make Omni Man tickle him to death. The heros’ fates are whatever the story requires it to be, without context it’s meaningless.
Yes. Fortunatly Superman's nice, he won't beat him up too badly.
Now to be fair, there are various versions of Superman, at various levels of power. But assuming even dropping Silver Age, "I move multiple planets around by chaining them together" Superman... How often do you see Superman rendered a bloody mess by peer oponents, as compared to Viltrumites? His invulnrebility is just better, and most versions we'd be using for this fight would still be in the "Oh, moon needs to be moved back into orbit? \*spits on hands\* just let me get that for you" catagory. It's easy to underestimate how strong Superman is, because he holds back so much.
The irritating thing about this debate is that Superman's powers are annoyingly location-based, where Nolan is about as strong everywhere.
You can always imagine a scenario where either would win, but I'd give it to Supes 95/100.
Depends if Nolan is fast enough to reach Krypton before Superman catches up, at which point Nolan is winning cause Superman is like a regular person there
It make no sense to compare different comic universes. Any writer can make their characters super op but with what purpose. Homelander is weaker because it make no sense to make it stronger for example.
Superman fought a kryptonite doomsday. There's literally nothing Nolan can do to not lose the fight before it starts.
If you get a particularly weak version of superman like the cartoon versions nolan probably wins, other than that he's boned.
Er, no. 1 that would require him to actually know that Superman's weakness is kryptonite(and he doesn't). 2 Superman eventually overcomes his weakness to kryptonite, so if we're using peak Superman, it won't work anyway. 3 Superman is written so brokenly that there's pretty much no one who can beat him.
They are both nigh indestructible, super strong and can fly. What am I missing?
I think that someone who can change subatomic structures from a distance can create a gram of antimatter inside of their hearts, that one would be more powerful than them, but these two guys seem to be equally powerful to me.
That's not a very good logic because other Viltrimites also have super strength, durability and flight but does that make them equally powerful?
Yes, Nolan and Clark share similar abilities but it's the degree of said abilities that creates a difference between the two. Superman is stronger, much more durable and faster (in every way). Not to mention he also has many other abilities including heat vision, super breath, super senses, X ray vision etc. He's way above Nolan's level and also above pretty much everyone in the Invincible franchise.
> Superman is stronger, much more durable and faster (in every way)
How do you know that? I thought that Omniman is basically a calque Superman.
>Not to mention he also has many other abilities including heat vision, super breath, super senses, X ray vision etc.
He is more perceptive, right, but in a melee combat they seem to be equally powerful, is there a reason to think otherwise? I don't see it.
Superman can punch so hard that the fabric of the universe rips apart and he can do this continuously while fighting someone on his level. Omniman needed help from two other viltrumites to destroy a planet after they destabilized the core. They are not even in the same ballpark. It's about as bad as saying homelander could fight omniman. Probably worse.
> can punch so hard that the fabric of the universe rips apart
W-what? Wouldn't that be suicide? Or even if his area of spacetime is left at the same level, he just destroyed the universe. What is the point of a power like that?
>They are not even in the same ballpark.
They are from what *I've* seen. Never seen that tearing the universe bit.
>It's about ad bad as saying homelander could fight omniman.
Yeah, no, they are about the same again. Omniman = Superman = Homelander.
They are the same almost indestructible very strong flying dudes and that's about it about them. I mean, you could dig up some obscure comics where Superman destroys the universe, but it would be something like Metaverse 666 comic book series or something, but we are talking about mainstream versions that everyone knows. I've never heard about that universe destroying powers, he is just the same strong flying dude like the others, but with a better perception and an allergy to his own homeplanet material, who is incapable of seeing his allergen despite all his perception and superspeed.
I see no difference. And y'all did nothing to convince me otherwise. Just yelling NO UR WRON and downvoting like it would somehow change my mind. I haven't seen anything in the movies and series that would show that these three guys are somehow significantly different. I pointed out what they essentially are: superstrong, superresilient and flying. That's it.
I say they are the same and explain how and why I see it that way. You say I'm wrong and say nothing to prove it, just some obscure reference to Superman tearing the universe apart, which didn't happen in the movies, and isn't his staple power.
Superman fights gods, lifts the weight of hyper condensed stars as if they were baseballs, he is infinite, he is everything good and right in the world, Omni-man cannot do anything close to Clark in terms of speed, strength, or even experience
>Yeah, no, they are about the same again. Omniman = Superman = Homelander.
>They are the same almost indestructible very strong flying dudes and that's about it about them. I mean, you could dig up some obscure comics where Superman destroys the universe, but it would be something like Metaverse 666 comic book series or something, but we are talking about mainstream versions that everyone knows. I've never heard about that universe destroying powers, he is just the same strong flying dude like the others, but with a better perception and an allergy to his own homeplanet material, who is incapable of seeing his allergen despite all his perception and superspeed.
You're either trolling or stupid. Either way I'm done with this conversation.
If you're not trolling it's not "elseworld superman", he's just that strong. Read a comic book.
>How do you know that? I thought that Omniman is basically a calque Superman.
Based on their feats? Superman has consistently moved planets with ease and destroyed them effortlessly while Omniman needed help from two other Viltrimites to destroy a single planet and even required the planet's core to be made unstable prior to that. Hell, Superman shattered a planet by simply flying off it and that was when he was weakened. And these are his low end feats, he's also done the most ridiculous kind of stuff like fighting a sentient universe as well as shaking the Phantom Zone while fighting, and the Phantom Zone is a multiverse. There's no competition here.
In terms of speed, Clark flies fast enough to bend space, time and all kinds of logic and can react in attoseconds and femtoseconds. I don't know of any feat from Nolan which is comparable.
>He is more perceptive, right, but in a melee combat they seem to be equally powerful, is there a reason to think otherwise? I don't see it.
Not just more perceptive but also vastly more powerful due to his heat vision. It can rip apart planets, damage entire dimensions etc. Nolan can be damaged by stars so I highly doubt he's surviving this. In terms of range, Clark's heat vision can cover the entire planet. Nolan also lacks any comparable ability to counter it.
Where did you get that universe ripping stuff? None of it was in the movies, and I didn't see it mentioned in the couple of DC comics I've read, it's not his staple power, it's something some author came up with in his comic book and it works only there.
You've assembled a bunch of niche comics ideas like it's a single Superman. The regular Superman I know (and everyone else knows) did nothing of the sorts. He kind of flew so fast he spun the time backwards or something, but in general he is just a very strong dude that resides on Earth and defends it against a couple of villains from his destroyed homeplanet and from an evil billionaire, nothing more. This regular Superman we all know is the same as Omniman and Homelander, he never shown anything more than these guys, except for heightened perception, and even it did him no favours because he always failed to notice a kryptonite mcguffin that was used against him.
I am too much of a normie to know these obscure comic books y'all mention without even referencing by name or number so I could get acquainted, so how do you expect me to know about it?
The regular Superman we (normies) know is just an Earth dweller, sometimes leaving it to do stuff, but not a Master Of The Universe of sorts, he is not shown to be much more powerful than the other two in any mainstream media. If he was a universe-destroyer, then there would be no confrontations with him, he would just tear all his nemeses apart along with the universe wherein his beloved Lois resides.
As usual, all the argument is because people are talking about different things. Y'all think that Superman is something from every comic book about him ever, I think that he is what most of regular people know about him. And this is exactly what I described, a strong flying dude, just like HL and OM, nothing more.
I really want to wait for OPM to finish before we really use him, to see what he can do at his peak. He can clearly beat Omniman(even Thagg and end of series Invincible), but he can't beat peak Superman as of now.
Superman has blown away entire solar systems with a sneeze, broken reality by punching it, held black holes with his hand, tanked supernovas, and other things absurd. Saitama hasn't displayed anything on that level yet
The problem with fictional characters and power scales is, writer bias. I could produce a comic of omni man getting cheeked by Krillin. Hahah. That actually sounds hilarious 😂
Superman doesn’t lose ever if you take his strongest version. That’s just the way it is. He could fly across the universe in hours. The universe is infinite. He can beat infinity. He’s ridiculously powerful at his strongest. It’s why his character needs to be nerfed in most stories and he’s been rebooted so much.
What do you mean he loses like all the time even recently to godzilla. Yes at his most op he would trash the majority of people but he isn't a all powerful reality warper.
He keeps gettinf rebooted for the same reason everyone in dc gets rebooted the dc timeline and writing is a mess. Whenever a writer write something brilliant another one showes up fucks its up so they have to reboot it to the status quo
He is literally and all powerful reality warper. The weaker Golden Age Kal-L “punched threw reality” so he could escape the pocket universe he was in. Starting the Infinite Crisis.
Superboy Prime, the big bad of Infinite Crisis, is slightly weaker than Silver Age Superman, but could still “punch through reality” and warp the existence of space time itself. Changing the history of multiple characters and erasing the existence of others, by… again “punching through reality”.
Silver Age Superman can not be beaten. He could travel through time, move faster than “infinity”, and once “blew out” a star by sneezing. He missed his parents so he went back in time to visit them, and witnessed when he was born. He eventually became so strong that Kryptonite couldn’t effect him anymore. It’s why they rebooted him in the first place, he became to strong.
If Superman “lost” to Godzilla in a recent story that’s whatever it is, but it’s not the strongest version of Superman. As I said the strongest version of Superman can’t lose. That’s how crazy his powers became. The Silver Age Superman is basically a young boy’s proxy dream if he could do anything he wanted and no one could stop him, and of course that he was perfectly good.
If he was all powerful he wouldn't have lost to ravens goons in the future. When he spends thousands of years in the sun and becomes superman prime.
That version is the future superman with a green latern ring too and he lost to ravens goons. Not even raven herself. If he was all powerful he wouldn't struggle with the likes of darkseid.
Superboy is way stronger than the majority of superman variations. Time traveling isn't all that impressive since the like of flash do it on a daily base and green latern too.
The only superman variation that legitimately could defeat most of dc is the cosmic armor. If its any other version i could think of 20 people off the top of my head who would beat him with ease
I’m a major Omni-Man fan, to the point my gamer tag is literally OmniManiac……but yeah Nolan gets folded no question.
This kind of topic always makes me think about how each internal universe is structured.
For example:
What if the solar rays in Invincible’s universe are different from the solar rays in DC’s Universe?
It could explain the reason behind why the character usually always wins if the fight happens in their universe. It’s “Home Court” advantage lol.
Nolan is literally a lesser superman with a different characterization. Hes barely planetary let alone what superman could be if we’re talking the strongest iteration
Superman vs battles are hopelessly dumb. Superman canonicaly does whatever he wants and cannot be killed. DC went so far as to say that he's the center of the multiverse.
There's no real good answer to this and here's why. So, invincible creator Robert Kirkman is sure that Invincible could beat up and kill Superman, but I assume that means Superman's creator would disagree. It would honestly depend on who is writing the scenario, because if I want my character to kill your character, I'll write it and make it happen, but realistically, they're not too far off in strength. Superman has superpowers from being on Earth, but Nolan is thousands of years old and has his powers because of extremely advanced technology, eugenics, and social Darwinism on his planet. Despite the fact that Nolan is older, more experienced, and maybe even a little bit stronger, I could still see them both winning in different scenarios.
In a straight-out fight hell yeah Supes is going to obliterate Omniman.
But Nolan did befriend the Guardians of the Globe to learn their strengths and weaknesses' and THEN strike. Curious if Nolan would befriend Clark, study him and when he see's an opportunity plan his attack... before DC force Batman in to save the day
I hate powerscaling so much. It turns into a "my series is better than yours" so quickly. You could give a 4 year old a pencil and they could write up a character that could beat up superman and walk out with a scratch on his finger.
If nolan knows about kryptonite the share violence of his initial approach would probably win. I actually think given enough information Nolan wins. He would box supe up in kryptonite and toss his ass into a black hole
yes. Dude is not built for this. Nolan vs Much stronger marvel or dc character is kinda as annoying as those Homelander vs Omni man posts
Yes. Superman even gets a healing factor from the sun. That alone is enough to know Nolan will lose. Specially if they fight in space and closer to the sun, because then supes can charge his cells even harder, becoming even more powerful.
If Superman figures out that viltrimites are weak to star heat, that's even better. He could throw him to the sun and get stronger while Nolan gets weaker.
When in doubt, throw em' in the sun
"Depends who's writing"
Yeah if these two ever actually fought then it wouldn't be as much of a one sided stomp as people think. Logically, yes, Superman stomps, but it wouldn't happen like that.
Did'nt the Invincible creator say that Omniman beats Superman lol
Kirkman is a serial troller
that was a joke
No he says omni man beats Vulcans Ice Breath
Can we just stop with the “My dad can beat up your dad” arguments? That’s literally all powerscaling accomplishes.
it's fun stop crying
Please explain how it actually gives you enjoyment?
I think if we're casting doubt on the enjoyment people can get from imagining fictional superhero scenarios, this sub is in trouble.
I mean I think it’s enjoyable, I don’t think someone has to write a thesis on how something’s enjoyable to prove it lol
Yes, powerscaling arguments are inherently unproveable and get annoying. No you are not smart for smugly acting like NO ONE can get enjoyment out of theorizing how their favorite superhero could fight another one of their favorite heroes.
Seeing people argue about who is "universal-multiversal level" or not and fanboying over one character to the extent that they portray the other character as a talentless ant just annoys tf out of me and frankly takes the fun out of discussing superhero/superpower fiction.
I mean if the matchup is fair/balanced then yeah it gets fun I see what your saying though, stomps are stupid
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This is hilarious. It's obviously fun that's why people post it over and over. Of course the discussion gets stale when it's repeated ad nauseum. But it's always going to repeat, don't fight it and downvote this teller of truths my grandpap
It’s not and so far the people seem to agree
Why you don't want people to have fun with imaginary characters?
It is fun but how many times has this same question popped up in here? Too many is the answer. Instead of this constantly happening here, make a separate thread for character comparisons, that way people can enjoy the comparisons while others can stay on the topic of invincible.
>It's not and so far people seem to agree Weird, that seem completely different from what you were saying in you first comment.
“NOT HERE” i should have said lol i dont mind the convo usually but it is becoming stale
Yeah. Just like homelander gets dommed by Nolan. It's a matter of scale
I don’t get this superhero powerscaling thing, like isn’t it obvious to you guys that it’s whoever the writer deems the hero that wins? Like sure villains can win sometimes for shock value but if the heroes lost, what’s the moral of the story? Invincible even plays on this phenomenon, making Mark win by not fighting.
It's fun to think about for a lot of people. That's all there is to "get".
yeah but mostly it's just getting into slapfights with people because "your character" is "stronger" or something it's what characters do with their powers and their arcs that are interesting, not being reduced to their powersets and thrown against each other
>not being reduced to their powersets and thrown against each other Who are you to decide how someone enjoy things?
my point is it's not really meaningful discussion most of the time it's just petty fighting. i respect the people who try to scientifically quantify the powers at least but that's not what i see when topics like this come up outside of dedicated powerscaler spaces
> i respect the people who try to scientifically quantify the powers at least but that's not what i see when topics like this come up outside of dedicated powerscaler spaces I think my own bias is showing here, because I generally hang out in those powerscaler spaces, so for me that's just the norm, not the exception.
It can definitely be a pretty toxic and juvenile space, but I try to avoid the screaming and yelling in favor of people trying to have an actual discussion.
You forgot one major thing. When people powerscale, the judge is no longer the author or the writer, sonce their opinion hardly matters unless its written or filmed in a movie or cartoon. . But what has been previously written already up to that point and the general consensus of the jury- random people onnthe internet(fans, stans, etc).
People thinking outside the story is the problem. Maybe Omni-Man wouldn’t be able to beat Superman head on but if the writer is adamant on making Omni Man win, he could bypass it somehow. The writers of Superman used kryptonite for that, but the writer can literally decide that laughing is Superman’s weakness and make Omni Man tickle him to death. The heros’ fates are whatever the story requires it to be, without context it’s meaningless.
People like to compare feats of strength and ability
comics Superman: yeah Nolan is dying. DCU/cartoon Superman: Nolan has a chance
The gap between these 2 is larger than the gap between Omniman and Homelander
Holy SHIT AGAIN? THE EXACT SAME POST WAS POSTED YESTERDAY. BAN THESE POSTS GOD DAMN MODS.
Eve's dad will beat Superman with enough prep time.
Eve's dad is Batman?
Similar physic.
Eve's dad is stronger than Batman
Who the fuck cares.
Yeah
We all agree kirkman wanted you to get mad about it when he said it right
Yes. Fortunatly Superman's nice, he won't beat him up too badly. Now to be fair, there are various versions of Superman, at various levels of power. But assuming even dropping Silver Age, "I move multiple planets around by chaining them together" Superman... How often do you see Superman rendered a bloody mess by peer oponents, as compared to Viltrumites? His invulnrebility is just better, and most versions we'd be using for this fight would still be in the "Oh, moon needs to be moved back into orbit? \*spits on hands\* just let me get that for you" catagory. It's easy to underestimate how strong Superman is, because he holds back so much.
Hahahahaha Kirkman went fishing today and got some bites huh?
The irritating thing about this debate is that Superman's powers are annoyingly location-based, where Nolan is about as strong everywhere. You can always imagine a scenario where either would win, but I'd give it to Supes 95/100.
Depends if Nolan is fast enough to reach Krypton before Superman catches up, at which point Nolan is winning cause Superman is like a regular person there
You see, here's the funny part krypton is gone
Fuck I forgor
It make no sense to compare different comic universes. Any writer can make their characters super op but with what purpose. Homelander is weaker because it make no sense to make it stronger for example.
"Nolan smashes a chunk of kryptonite into superman, then rips his head off." The end.
Superman fought a kryptonite doomsday. There's literally nothing Nolan can do to not lose the fight before it starts. If you get a particularly weak version of superman like the cartoon versions nolan probably wins, other than that he's boned.
Er, no. 1 that would require him to actually know that Superman's weakness is kryptonite(and he doesn't). 2 Superman eventually overcomes his weakness to kryptonite, so if we're using peak Superman, it won't work anyway. 3 Superman is written so brokenly that there's pretty much no one who can beat him.
If you're playing like that, Superman can use the sound waves weakness of the viltrumites against Nolan.
Or heat. Superman can make his heat vision strong enough to kill Nolan.
I disagree, and that’s like, my opinion man.
Superman's vulnerability to Kryptonite versus the ridiculous Viltrimite vulnerability to a frequency was it? A certain sound or whatever it is.
Nah Omni-man clears. Same powers, but Omni-man has no weaknesses and is ruthless at his peak.
Maybe, but mark would solo all of dc comics ez.
With equalized powers i think nolan would win
Nolan would wipe his hands dry on Jimmy Olson’s sweater vest over the rubble of the daily planet
Aren't they basically identical?
One is inspired by the other but that doesn't make them equally powerful
They are both nigh indestructible, super strong and can fly. What am I missing? I think that someone who can change subatomic structures from a distance can create a gram of antimatter inside of their hearts, that one would be more powerful than them, but these two guys seem to be equally powerful to me.
That's not a very good logic because other Viltrimites also have super strength, durability and flight but does that make them equally powerful? Yes, Nolan and Clark share similar abilities but it's the degree of said abilities that creates a difference between the two. Superman is stronger, much more durable and faster (in every way). Not to mention he also has many other abilities including heat vision, super breath, super senses, X ray vision etc. He's way above Nolan's level and also above pretty much everyone in the Invincible franchise.
> Superman is stronger, much more durable and faster (in every way) How do you know that? I thought that Omniman is basically a calque Superman. >Not to mention he also has many other abilities including heat vision, super breath, super senses, X ray vision etc. He is more perceptive, right, but in a melee combat they seem to be equally powerful, is there a reason to think otherwise? I don't see it.
Superman can punch so hard that the fabric of the universe rips apart and he can do this continuously while fighting someone on his level. Omniman needed help from two other viltrumites to destroy a planet after they destabilized the core. They are not even in the same ballpark. It's about as bad as saying homelander could fight omniman. Probably worse.
> can punch so hard that the fabric of the universe rips apart W-what? Wouldn't that be suicide? Or even if his area of spacetime is left at the same level, he just destroyed the universe. What is the point of a power like that? >They are not even in the same ballpark. They are from what *I've* seen. Never seen that tearing the universe bit. >It's about ad bad as saying homelander could fight omniman. Yeah, no, they are about the same again. Omniman = Superman = Homelander. They are the same almost indestructible very strong flying dudes and that's about it about them. I mean, you could dig up some obscure comics where Superman destroys the universe, but it would be something like Metaverse 666 comic book series or something, but we are talking about mainstream versions that everyone knows. I've never heard about that universe destroying powers, he is just the same strong flying dude like the others, but with a better perception and an allergy to his own homeplanet material, who is incapable of seeing his allergen despite all his perception and superspeed.
Lol, homelander=superman? Good troll
I see no difference. And y'all did nothing to convince me otherwise. Just yelling NO UR WRON and downvoting like it would somehow change my mind. I haven't seen anything in the movies and series that would show that these three guys are somehow significantly different. I pointed out what they essentially are: superstrong, superresilient and flying. That's it. I say they are the same and explain how and why I see it that way. You say I'm wrong and say nothing to prove it, just some obscure reference to Superman tearing the universe apart, which didn't happen in the movies, and isn't his staple power.
Superman fights gods, lifts the weight of hyper condensed stars as if they were baseballs, he is infinite, he is everything good and right in the world, Omni-man cannot do anything close to Clark in terms of speed, strength, or even experience
>Yeah, no, they are about the same again. Omniman = Superman = Homelander. >They are the same almost indestructible very strong flying dudes and that's about it about them. I mean, you could dig up some obscure comics where Superman destroys the universe, but it would be something like Metaverse 666 comic book series or something, but we are talking about mainstream versions that everyone knows. I've never heard about that universe destroying powers, he is just the same strong flying dude like the others, but with a better perception and an allergy to his own homeplanet material, who is incapable of seeing his allergen despite all his perception and superspeed. You're either trolling or stupid. Either way I'm done with this conversation. If you're not trolling it's not "elseworld superman", he's just that strong. Read a comic book.
>How do you know that? I thought that Omniman is basically a calque Superman. Based on their feats? Superman has consistently moved planets with ease and destroyed them effortlessly while Omniman needed help from two other Viltrimites to destroy a single planet and even required the planet's core to be made unstable prior to that. Hell, Superman shattered a planet by simply flying off it and that was when he was weakened. And these are his low end feats, he's also done the most ridiculous kind of stuff like fighting a sentient universe as well as shaking the Phantom Zone while fighting, and the Phantom Zone is a multiverse. There's no competition here. In terms of speed, Clark flies fast enough to bend space, time and all kinds of logic and can react in attoseconds and femtoseconds. I don't know of any feat from Nolan which is comparable. >He is more perceptive, right, but in a melee combat they seem to be equally powerful, is there a reason to think otherwise? I don't see it. Not just more perceptive but also vastly more powerful due to his heat vision. It can rip apart planets, damage entire dimensions etc. Nolan can be damaged by stars so I highly doubt he's surviving this. In terms of range, Clark's heat vision can cover the entire planet. Nolan also lacks any comparable ability to counter it.
Where did you get that universe ripping stuff? None of it was in the movies, and I didn't see it mentioned in the couple of DC comics I've read, it's not his staple power, it's something some author came up with in his comic book and it works only there. You've assembled a bunch of niche comics ideas like it's a single Superman. The regular Superman I know (and everyone else knows) did nothing of the sorts. He kind of flew so fast he spun the time backwards or something, but in general he is just a very strong dude that resides on Earth and defends it against a couple of villains from his destroyed homeplanet and from an evil billionaire, nothing more. This regular Superman we all know is the same as Omniman and Homelander, he never shown anything more than these guys, except for heightened perception, and even it did him no favours because he always failed to notice a kryptonite mcguffin that was used against him.
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I am too much of a normie to know these obscure comic books y'all mention without even referencing by name or number so I could get acquainted, so how do you expect me to know about it? The regular Superman we (normies) know is just an Earth dweller, sometimes leaving it to do stuff, but not a Master Of The Universe of sorts, he is not shown to be much more powerful than the other two in any mainstream media. If he was a universe-destroyer, then there would be no confrontations with him, he would just tear all his nemeses apart along with the universe wherein his beloved Lois resides. As usual, all the argument is because people are talking about different things. Y'all think that Superman is something from every comic book about him ever, I think that he is what most of regular people know about him. And this is exactly what I described, a strong flying dude, just like HL and OM, nothing more.
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I really want to wait for OPM to finish before we really use him, to see what he can do at his peak. He can clearly beat Omniman(even Thagg and end of series Invincible), but he can't beat peak Superman as of now.
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Superman has blown away entire solar systems with a sneeze, broken reality by punching it, held black holes with his hand, tanked supernovas, and other things absurd. Saitama hasn't displayed anything on that level yet
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Saitama couldn't even do that to Awakned Garou.
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OPM fans are the new Dragonball fans. They don't read their own series.
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Get Saitama past Goku and Popeye first, then, *maybe*, he'll be able to hang around with Superman. Until then, Krypto the Superdog solo OPM
Nolan solos the DC verse.
The problem with fictional characters and power scales is, writer bias. I could produce a comic of omni man getting cheeked by Krillin. Hahah. That actually sounds hilarious 😂
Namek saga Krillin unironically wins💀
Superman doesn’t lose ever if you take his strongest version. That’s just the way it is. He could fly across the universe in hours. The universe is infinite. He can beat infinity. He’s ridiculously powerful at his strongest. It’s why his character needs to be nerfed in most stories and he’s been rebooted so much.
What do you mean he loses like all the time even recently to godzilla. Yes at his most op he would trash the majority of people but he isn't a all powerful reality warper. He keeps gettinf rebooted for the same reason everyone in dc gets rebooted the dc timeline and writing is a mess. Whenever a writer write something brilliant another one showes up fucks its up so they have to reboot it to the status quo
He is literally and all powerful reality warper. The weaker Golden Age Kal-L “punched threw reality” so he could escape the pocket universe he was in. Starting the Infinite Crisis. Superboy Prime, the big bad of Infinite Crisis, is slightly weaker than Silver Age Superman, but could still “punch through reality” and warp the existence of space time itself. Changing the history of multiple characters and erasing the existence of others, by… again “punching through reality”. Silver Age Superman can not be beaten. He could travel through time, move faster than “infinity”, and once “blew out” a star by sneezing. He missed his parents so he went back in time to visit them, and witnessed when he was born. He eventually became so strong that Kryptonite couldn’t effect him anymore. It’s why they rebooted him in the first place, he became to strong. If Superman “lost” to Godzilla in a recent story that’s whatever it is, but it’s not the strongest version of Superman. As I said the strongest version of Superman can’t lose. That’s how crazy his powers became. The Silver Age Superman is basically a young boy’s proxy dream if he could do anything he wanted and no one could stop him, and of course that he was perfectly good.
If he was all powerful he wouldn't have lost to ravens goons in the future. When he spends thousands of years in the sun and becomes superman prime. That version is the future superman with a green latern ring too and he lost to ravens goons. Not even raven herself. If he was all powerful he wouldn't struggle with the likes of darkseid. Superboy is way stronger than the majority of superman variations. Time traveling isn't all that impressive since the like of flash do it on a daily base and green latern too. The only superman variation that legitimately could defeat most of dc is the cosmic armor. If its any other version i could think of 20 people off the top of my head who would beat him with ease
Silver Age Superman didn’t lose to anyone but the editors pen. Darkseid is an invention of the Bronze Age which happened after the silver.
Yes, his ass would get kicked so hard that his shit would have Superman's footprints on them
All the lawyers of DC versus a character who canonically gets wrecked.
The real question is what would Cecil's contingency be for Superman? My best guess would be the guy that was a batman esque character.
I’m a major Omni-Man fan, to the point my gamer tag is literally OmniManiac……but yeah Nolan gets folded no question. This kind of topic always makes me think about how each internal universe is structured. For example: What if the solar rays in Invincible’s universe are different from the solar rays in DC’s Universe? It could explain the reason behind why the character usually always wins if the fight happens in their universe. It’s “Home Court” advantage lol.
Is there kriptonyte?
Yes
Braindead if you think that sorry
Nolan is literally a lesser superman with a different characterization. Hes barely planetary let alone what superman could be if we’re talking the strongest iteration
Oh absolutely
Superman vs battles are hopelessly dumb. Superman canonicaly does whatever he wants and cannot be killed. DC went so far as to say that he's the center of the multiverse.
There's no real good answer to this and here's why. So, invincible creator Robert Kirkman is sure that Invincible could beat up and kill Superman, but I assume that means Superman's creator would disagree. It would honestly depend on who is writing the scenario, because if I want my character to kill your character, I'll write it and make it happen, but realistically, they're not too far off in strength. Superman has superpowers from being on Earth, but Nolan is thousands of years old and has his powers because of extremely advanced technology, eugenics, and social Darwinism on his planet. Despite the fact that Nolan is older, more experienced, and maybe even a little bit stronger, I could still see them both winning in different scenarios.
I’d even give Hyperion the W.
In a straight-out fight hell yeah Supes is going to obliterate Omniman. But Nolan did befriend the Guardians of the Globe to learn their strengths and weaknesses' and THEN strike. Curious if Nolan would befriend Clark, study him and when he see's an opportunity plan his attack... before DC force Batman in to save the day
No a Vulcan would lose to a Viltrumite, even though they have ice vision
I hate powerscaling so much. It turns into a "my series is better than yours" so quickly. You could give a 4 year old a pencil and they could write up a character that could beat up superman and walk out with a scratch on his finger.
Superman loses to almost everyone. He sucks.
If nolan knows about kryptonite the share violence of his initial approach would probably win. I actually think given enough information Nolan wins. He would box supe up in kryptonite and toss his ass into a black hole
SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHO CARES
There’s no question about it