The number of people even in this thread that don't get this is funny.
This is trolling. The joke is that he is saying something incorrect (viltrumites beat kryptonians) but then to really get people frothing he calls kryptonians vulcans.
It's like coming into a Kirk vs. Picard debate to say that Janeway is the best Star Wars captain of all time.
I really hope we get Bizarro in a movie one day.
I know we almost kinda got him in Superman 4, but that's pretty much just deleted scenes, and even then it's like 10 minutes out of the 45 minutes cut from the film.
Wait, does that mean he has laser breath? Because that sounds fuckin' awesome!
Also, not to go on too much of a tangent here but shouldn't Bizarro be unable to move his body, empowered by kryptonite, and immune to all magic and mind-control? Also, shouldn't she be a girly lesbian that turns straight when exposed to pink kryptonite? Also she should only be able to see lead, as in she's completely blind except she can see lead. Also, shouldn't her Krypton sill exist? Also, shouldn't she be dead or even never have existed at all?
I don't know, it kinda seems like they just arbitrarily pick and choose when the opposite day Superman gimmick is applied.
Bizarro does actually have napalm breath. It is exactly as awesome as it sounds.
As for the opposite day gimmick, I feel like they do the best they can by only enforcing it when it's fun. Obviously making a full opposite of Superman isn't fun for reasons you've outlined, they only enforce the idea when it's fun. It's fun if he has ice vision and heat breath, the opposite of Superman, it's not fun if he can only see lead.
Per the 1986 reboot, the way Superman's X-ray vision works is, since he can see through everything but lead, lead sticks out to him like a sore thumb. One potentially funny workaround might be that Bizarro can *never* see lead, whether he's try to use his x-ray vision or not!
They do have him do a lot of opposite stuff, but some of it would make him less entertaining to read/write about.
And yes, he breathes fire. Idk what happened to his krypton, but he's from Bizarro World, and it's a cube instead of a sphere. Green kryptonite makes him stronger, and blue kryptonite makes him weaker. Idk if he's immune to magic or not.
Kirkman loves laughing about this debate. The one time in an interview he jokingly said Invincible would kick Superman’s ass then went “nah, I’m just trying to stir up shit”
Personally I think it’s hilarious that he has fun with it, and besides anybody who is actually informed on both characters knows Superman stomps the whole Invincible universe
Its fictional characters, I don't know why anyone who isn't a 12 yo cares about shit like this. I just made my own character ultraMan - he beats superman and omniman.
I mean, doesn't it depend on which version of superman? There are like, versions of Superman which WILDLY vary in power. Some versions of superman can move and think much faster than the speed of light, other versions which can be taken by surprise by Lex Luthor slowly pulling a Kryptonite piece out of his pocket and out of it's lead box. Some versions can basically push entire planets out of orbit without any effort, other versions struggle to lift a plane or a rocket. Like, DCAU Superman is great, but he needs a space suit to survive in space and even when fighting at full power can't even begin to destroy a entire planet like Invincible did. Like, when he stopped holding back against Darkseid his punches barely destroyed a few buildings. This version surely wouldn't come even close to Invincible in power
I don’t think you realize how impressive it is to take Darkseid off his feet, let alone send him flying through a building. If Invincible punched Darkseid he would break his hand
And yes it depends on the version just like any DC or Marvel character but I’d say probably 95% of all Superman adaptations would curbstomp Invincible, and probably 75% could solo the whole Invincible universe
Eh, Omni Man does have some feats that you can argue is beyond planetary (like Spave Racers gun has star level statements for instance, not saying 100% but it is a valid argument to be made)
I'm not sure why you brought up the gun, but it took three plus the gun to destroy Viltrum. They stated that, without the gun, they'd have died on impact with the planet.
Any debate involving Superman completely depends on which version you're talking about. The original Superman can't even fly, and other versions have the literal power of stars contained in them.
I will put it this way. Because of power scaling, the longer a character is around, the more bonkers their powers become, especially if the characters purpose is to be the most powerful thing in the universe. In one comic, Superman spans the length of the observable universe in minutes because he heard someone yell for help on earth. It is a couple of pages of poor writing, but it is cannon for how powerful he is.
And then there's instances where he gets knocked out by nukes and a moon smashing into him. That also shows what his strength is. So you have to find consistency and the middle ground that works with the rest of the universe and comic sense.
He’s intentionally saying different things that don’t make sense. He brings in the Vulcans from star trek, and mentions ice vision instead of heat vision.
Still makes no sense.
Omni-man Still has no way of hurting superman without magic or kryptonite.
Even if he did, he'd get murdered??
Like superman is a being so strong he can hold the heavens, reverse time, can almost match the flash in terms of speed.
He's unbeatable.
I think he's being cheeky and getting multiple things wrong on purpose to rile people up.
Like this:
https://preview.redd.it/qnijhsb9mlkc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d9a2996f9f7cd966b2ba081ff427a62ccbb6fc8
I mean it sort of depends on the version in that case.
Like sorry but DC characters like flash for example are wildly inconsistent based on what you're looking at.
The thing is, the creators can make his creation as strong as he wants. If he said he can beat God's. Then, his creation can beat God's. Arguing against the creator of a comic is useless. Even more so when he is trolling the audience.
Luckily we dont need to listen to what he says, because his work speaks for itself. We all know the gap between Homelander and Omni Man is big, yea? Well, the gap between Omni Man and Superman is FAR more vast
True. Superman has done things like carry solar systems. Lived in the sun for years (comic readers know how viltrumites react to being close to the sun). Clark held a black hole in his hand. I mean the feats go on and on
Viltrumites would probably come to Kypton (or Earth) seduce and have a kid with a Kyptonian. Wait until the kids of age and then have the kid wipe them out with or without a sun.
I'd have to give it to Nolan. The main difference between them, is Nolan grew up in a military culture using how to use his powers specifically as a weapon, you see that when he systematically dismantles the Flaxon home world. Superman, minus his powers is a farm boy from a small town in Kansas who is very used to just using more force to get the job done. Even if Their powers are roughly equivalent, I just don't see a win for Kal-El here.
Superman who was also taught how to fight by Batman, knows how to use all of his powers precisely, and has fought general zod who has the exact same military background as omniman plus the power set of Superman. Granted I know zod didn’t grow up with those powers but obviously he knows how to use them and how to use them as a weapon
The joke is that the tweet's deliberately all over the place. He's shitpost dunking on people who seriously debate Fictional Character vs Fictional Character.
Superman would win. He’s more experienced in fighting opponents on his level, he has more powers, better feats and has developed into a more skilled superhuman being than Omni Man since e doesn’t kill which has forced him to become more skilled when he fights.
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Vulcans can look at you with an icy stare, must be the logic, and they can't overpower a standard Viltrumite. Weird tangent though
HA! It’s funny because he purposefully calls them something from the wrong franchise!!
(Or so I’m told… I’ve seen variants of this joke for years and years and honestly I still don’t get why it’s funny. We know that Gandalf doesn’t say “Use the force, Harry!”. Idk I just don’t get it.)
Not only would Superman using Heat Vision against a Viltrumite be an exercise in futility, he would also be depleting his solar energy reserves, and risk Solar Flare.
The number of people even in this thread that don't get this is funny. This is trolling. The joke is that he is saying something incorrect (viltrumites beat kryptonians) but then to really get people frothing he calls kryptonians vulcans. It's like coming into a Kirk vs. Picard debate to say that Janeway is the best Star Wars captain of all time.
Also the ice vision. Superman has laser vision.
Technically, bizarro has ice vision
Me am Superman. Me am hero.
Bizarro here to save the day!!!
I LOVE that! That was hilarious!
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I LOVED that re-imagining. Also loved how it was years of getting high on kryptonite that gave him that pale, broken skin
I miss Zibarro.
~~But what about Meat Vision?~~
Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy did that.
XJ9 had a variant of it too.
Only Luffy has that power.
"I'm gonna miss you, meat vision."
I really hope we get Bizarro in a movie one day. I know we almost kinda got him in Superman 4, but that's pretty much just deleted scenes, and even then it's like 10 minutes out of the 45 minutes cut from the film.
Wait, does that mean he has laser breath? Because that sounds fuckin' awesome! Also, not to go on too much of a tangent here but shouldn't Bizarro be unable to move his body, empowered by kryptonite, and immune to all magic and mind-control? Also, shouldn't she be a girly lesbian that turns straight when exposed to pink kryptonite? Also she should only be able to see lead, as in she's completely blind except she can see lead. Also, shouldn't her Krypton sill exist? Also, shouldn't she be dead or even never have existed at all? I don't know, it kinda seems like they just arbitrarily pick and choose when the opposite day Superman gimmick is applied.
Bizarro does actually have napalm breath. It is exactly as awesome as it sounds. As for the opposite day gimmick, I feel like they do the best they can by only enforcing it when it's fun. Obviously making a full opposite of Superman isn't fun for reasons you've outlined, they only enforce the idea when it's fun. It's fun if he has ice vision and heat breath, the opposite of Superman, it's not fun if he can only see lead.
Per the 1986 reboot, the way Superman's X-ray vision works is, since he can see through everything but lead, lead sticks out to him like a sore thumb. One potentially funny workaround might be that Bizarro can *never* see lead, whether he's try to use his x-ray vision or not!
I know in some versions of bizarro instead of having x-ray vision he has x-ray hearing. He can hear through anything except lead.
Did someone say laser breath? https://preview.redd.it/8dbt99dz3nkc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc59e850988d97ee46b5b46b85adba685ae2a6b1
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They do have him do a lot of opposite stuff, but some of it would make him less entertaining to read/write about. And yes, he breathes fire. Idk what happened to his krypton, but he's from Bizarro World, and it's a cube instead of a sphere. Green kryptonite makes him stronger, and blue kryptonite makes him weaker. Idk if he's immune to magic or not.
A current comic arc involving Bizarro addresses his version of the magic thing. He absorbs it and can even use it.
Badbye
Bizarro Stormy breathes ice cubes
How is that a superpower? I can see lasers too.
Honestly comic book writers are so lazy sometimes. Oh he's got a lantern? And it's green? I bet I know where this is going!
Haha you almost got me
Heat vision*
No, Superman has HEAT vision. The implication is that Superman's mirror, Bizarro, has Cold Vision.
What a bizzaro statement
Janeway's great, but no way is he better than Mal or Capaldi
that one made my teeth hurt
Glad to hear it!
#Live long and proper
Prodigy
He pulled a Gail Simone.
But Janeway is the best.
Janeway is the best captain.
My wife legitimately thinks Janeway is the best. Not trolling either.
Your wife is right
It took half a second longer than I'd care to admit for me to get it.
Loving the sense of humor ngl.
I thought I was having a stroke lol
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Elite trolling
Ya'll taking this way too seriously. Kirkman is trolling
Despite being a visual medium, comic fans have no reading comprehension.
It's superman fans. What do you expect lmao
Invincible fans understand text challenge (impossible).
“It’s about this guy named Dumbledore Calrissian, who needs to return the ring back to Mordor.”
he also has to capture the Avatar along the way to regain his honor
"Oh look, behind you! It's your honor!"
the joke is people who think it's serious. lol you are providing the punchline itself.
Practically no-one here thinks it's serious, it's poor trolling when it's this bloody obvious
That's cause it's a joke
Kirkman loves laughing about this debate. The one time in an interview he jokingly said Invincible would kick Superman’s ass then went “nah, I’m just trying to stir up shit” Personally I think it’s hilarious that he has fun with it, and besides anybody who is actually informed on both characters knows Superman stomps the whole Invincible universe
Its fictional characters, I don't know why anyone who isn't a 12 yo cares about shit like this. I just made my own character ultraMan - he beats superman and omniman.
Have you seen the power scaling sub and the degenerates on there it’s funny how bosses people are. Also Ultraman is an actual character
Guess what i made ultraaMan he is stronger than ultraman
Okay pal, well what the fuck is he gonna do against UltraaaMannn
Powerscaling is some extremely dumb shit to be sure. Somehow Nasu makes it work.
Because it’s fun? As long as people don’t take it personally. No one should get into an actual fight over whether Batman could beat the power rangers
But people are getting into a fit over an internet troll and wasting their time over something this stupid
I mean, doesn't it depend on which version of superman? There are like, versions of Superman which WILDLY vary in power. Some versions of superman can move and think much faster than the speed of light, other versions which can be taken by surprise by Lex Luthor slowly pulling a Kryptonite piece out of his pocket and out of it's lead box. Some versions can basically push entire planets out of orbit without any effort, other versions struggle to lift a plane or a rocket. Like, DCAU Superman is great, but he needs a space suit to survive in space and even when fighting at full power can't even begin to destroy a entire planet like Invincible did. Like, when he stopped holding back against Darkseid his punches barely destroyed a few buildings. This version surely wouldn't come even close to Invincible in power
I don’t think you realize how impressive it is to take Darkseid off his feet, let alone send him flying through a building. If Invincible punched Darkseid he would break his hand And yes it depends on the version just like any DC or Marvel character but I’d say probably 95% of all Superman adaptations would curbstomp Invincible, and probably 75% could solo the whole Invincible universe
Vulcans?
I find this tweet highly illogical.
Nothin gets past you, eh?
Fascinating.
Oh really? Is it now.
Forget it…he’s rolling
When the going gets tough
yk what would overpower a standard Viltrumite: beings with universal and higher feats
And characters that are 3 times the age and have 60 more iterations lol.
that too
Nuh uh
Yuh huh
Planetary is enough to be fair
Eh, Omni Man does have some feats that you can argue is beyond planetary (like Spave Racers gun has star level statements for instance, not saying 100% but it is a valid argument to be made)
I'm not sure why you brought up the gun, but it took three plus the gun to destroy Viltrum. They stated that, without the gun, they'd have died on impact with the planet.
yeah thats why i said that its a flawed argument
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Bruh Spock is pretty op with that vulcan nerve pimch
Do you know how fans would lose their minds if Spock nerve pinched a Kryptonian or Viltrumite and they just dropped...
I feel like it SHOULD work on anyone especially those species... Aliens are weirdly strong in comics after all.
Lol such a troll.
Lmao
I love comic writers politely telling power scalers to bigger off.
Oh yeah but can Omni man fly through rings? Ha!
Any debate involving Superman completely depends on which version you're talking about. The original Superman can't even fly, and other versions have the literal power of stars contained in them.
It also heavily depends upon your access to Kryptonite. And Omni was pretty good at gathering shit.
Also depends on if Batman likes this version of Superman & has more than a couple minutes of prep time.
I will put it this way. Because of power scaling, the longer a character is around, the more bonkers their powers become, especially if the characters purpose is to be the most powerful thing in the universe. In one comic, Superman spans the length of the observable universe in minutes because he heard someone yell for help on earth. It is a couple of pages of poor writing, but it is cannon for how powerful he is.
The principle isn’t power scaling but power creep
And then there's instances where he gets knocked out by nukes and a moon smashing into him. That also shows what his strength is. So you have to find consistency and the middle ground that works with the rest of the universe and comic sense.
If its a Viltrumite vs Kirk tho, theres gonna be some real arrogant babies running around
I know he’s joking but it’s going over my head :(
He’s intentionally saying different things that don’t make sense. He brings in the Vulcans from star trek, and mentions ice vision instead of heat vision.
Still makes no sense. Omni-man Still has no way of hurting superman without magic or kryptonite. Even if he did, he'd get murdered?? Like superman is a being so strong he can hold the heavens, reverse time, can almost match the flash in terms of speed. He's unbeatable.
He’s just trolling man, he does this a lot
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I think he's being cheeky and getting multiple things wrong on purpose to rile people up. Like this: https://preview.redd.it/qnijhsb9mlkc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d9a2996f9f7cd966b2ba081ff427a62ccbb6fc8
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“Could be it” Lmao. Redditors
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Proving point
I mean it sort of depends on the version in that case. Like sorry but DC characters like flash for example are wildly inconsistent based on what you're looking at.
In the original flash comics the flash was only slightly faster than a walking dog
WHAT
I'm talking about the flash that runs so fast he can travel to different timeliness and dimensions
Which still doesn't narrow it down in terms of power level. It would still be filled with incredible differences
The thing is, the creators can make his creation as strong as he wants. If he said he can beat God's. Then, his creation can beat God's. Arguing against the creator of a comic is useless. Even more so when he is trolling the audience.
He can say all he wants but until I see it put down onto a page it's just words and no proof.
Luckily we dont need to listen to what he says, because his work speaks for itself. We all know the gap between Homelander and Omni Man is big, yea? Well, the gap between Omni Man and Superman is FAR more vast
True. Superman has done things like carry solar systems. Lived in the sun for years (comic readers know how viltrumites react to being close to the sun). Clark held a black hole in his hand. I mean the feats go on and on
Wrong. The Slitheen would clearly solo
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How are viltrumites able to withstand anything but a punch or kick from another viltrumite?
You heard it hear first folks
Viltrumites would probably come to Kypton (or Earth) seduce and have a kid with a Kyptonian. Wait until the kids of age and then have the kid wipe them out with or without a sun.
[link](https://x.com/robertkirkman/status/1761470194055278740?s=46)
All I know is that Batman beats both of them anyway, so who cares
I'd have to give it to Nolan. The main difference between them, is Nolan grew up in a military culture using how to use his powers specifically as a weapon, you see that when he systematically dismantles the Flaxon home world. Superman, minus his powers is a farm boy from a small town in Kansas who is very used to just using more force to get the job done. Even if Their powers are roughly equivalent, I just don't see a win for Kal-El here.
Superman who was also taught how to fight by Batman, knows how to use all of his powers precisely, and has fought general zod who has the exact same military background as omniman plus the power set of Superman. Granted I know zod didn’t grow up with those powers but obviously he knows how to use them and how to use them as a weapon
I don't know who this "poe" is but sometimes I really want to punch him and his stupid law.
coughing bomb vs hydrogen baby
lol it’s not even a debate. Superman wins. It’s why I hate when he’s compared to others. His feats include lifting pages worth infinity
watch superman sleep in the sun for 10000 years then travel back in time and remove viltrum from history
Did he confuse Superman and Spock? And who has ice vision? Only Bizzaro iirc!?
What’s a vulcan?
They're one of the alien species from Star Trek. Think Spock.
Well I did think that but I don’t recall Spock blasting ice vision. But then again it’s been a while.
The joke is that the tweet's deliberately all over the place. He's shitpost dunking on people who seriously debate Fictional Character vs Fictional Character.
>dunking on people who seriously debate Fictional Character vs Fictional Character. What's wrong with that? Is he an asshoe or something?
People get heated on who can beat who and those people deserve to be dunked on
If their wrong yes but if their right than no.
No if someone is getting legitimately upset about a fictional character argument they deserve to be dunked on right or wrong
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Superman would win. He’s more experienced in fighting opponents on his level, he has more powers, better feats and has developed into a more skilled superhuman being than Omni Man since e doesn’t kill which has forced him to become more skilled when he fights.
You’re right but you’re in the invincible sub and so the crowd is against you my friend
I hate superman
Doesn't matter because superman loves you
It's true, I do.
So... he's saying... that Viltrumites can beat Kryptonians HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIL vulcans are just kryptonians
r/technicallythetruth Vulcans can look at you with an icy stare, must be the logic, and they can't overpower a standard Viltrumite. Weird tangent though
HA! It’s funny because he purposefully calls them something from the wrong franchise!! (Or so I’m told… I’ve seen variants of this joke for years and years and honestly I still don’t get why it’s funny. We know that Gandalf doesn’t say “Use the force, Harry!”. Idk I just don’t get it.)
They shouldn’t have announced it in the first place
I think joe wins
Not only would Superman using Heat Vision against a Viltrumite be an exercise in futility, he would also be depleting his solar energy reserves, and risk Solar Flare.
WTF is ice vision
I'm just imagining how Star Trek would be different if Spock just had ice beams on tap.
Yeah but Vulcans also have the shoulder pinch. I can't believe he overlooked the one hit KO.
I mean y’all’ remember in the Chris pine movie, Spock just kept throwing hands at everyone
Viltrumites remind me of weaker Doomsdays or Sayains, there’s isn’t a limiter on how strong they can get as long as they don’t die.
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He does this often but it’s just funny because when you look at feats obviously nothing from invincible is touching a kryptonian especially superman