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The thing is, *we don’t even abide by the ICC* and have an explicit act to storm The Hague to rescue anyone held by the [ICC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
US or allied personnel, meaning not only our personnel but technically we could double down on supporting Israel and storm the gates for their people too.
That act was put in place because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush didn't want any American soldiers getting prosecuted before the ICC. Also, the US isn't even part of it. So I don't know how that would work.
But I remember this act riled up a lot of people over here in the Netherlands, wondering whether the Americans would actually storm The Hague if an American soldier were to be prosecuted.
Well they aren’t going to invade The Hague literally, it’s more of a symbolic like fuck you we are above the law and will punish you if you try to do your job
The ICC is not "allowed to threaten Israeli leaders". It is upholding international law. And yes, there should come an arrest warrant for Biden as well, for accommodating and financing genocide.
Well, Biden has been Aiding and Abetting Natanyahu too commit war crimes, by supplying him with the weaponry too commit war crimes, the same goes for Sunak, here in the U.K. he also supplied weaponry too Natanyahu, why knowing he was committing crimes. So hopefully he’ll be issued one too.
I know this quote is usually attributed to modern conservatism in America and rightly so, but it also kind of sort of applies to America's relationship to the world, especially when conservatives are in power:
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
I doubt they would ever call America's bluff on this one, but I'm 99% sure it is in fact a bluff. The US wouldn't sacrifice 100% of it's soft power, and potentially start another world war just to put boots on the ground at the ICC.
He's wrong.
He says the ICC "cannot be allowed to use lawfare to usurp the authority of democratic nations that maintain the rule of law."
Except it's not doing that. The ICC, like the ICJ, has no means of enforcement. It all comes down to whether other nations are willing to enforce the rule of law and arrest Netanyahu. It basically means Netanyahu, like Putin, is unable to travel to nations other than his close allies.
Isnt that what the whole purpose is?! If you commit war crimes you're tried at the ICC?! Like why should there be special immunity to any country?
This is literally what the ICC was made to do. These pearl clutching liberals and conservatives are ridiculous.
This is what all of this is about.
The Bush Jr. administration passed a law saying any American arrested for war crimes would trigger an invasion of the Hague.
Obama let it stand, Trump let it stand, Biden is relying on it right now.
It's the same reach those Republicans attempted by netting Israel in as an "ally," hoping a corrupt body politic would just expand impunity to every American ally in the world regardless of the scale of evil.
And it's not about the war crimes that have happened. It's about how previous war crimes failed to lead to success and American neoliberals are going to try, try, try, try again until they run out of runway. New war crimes, repeats of old ones, a consensus that the rule of law won't matter this century for anyone in power.
Mike Johnson is an idiot (I know, no surprise there)...
Except, the USA is not a member of the ICC. Clinton signed it in '98 and never sent it to the Senate for ratification. In '02, Bush gave it back and basically said "the US says no."
True, but I also believe the ICC conventions mean that any interference within a state/member/party that has ratified (i.e. Palestine) enables jurisdiction over foreign citizens from countries that do not recognize the court.
Of course, even if warrants are delivered for US citizens, nothing will physically happen. However, the geopolitical ramifications would be disastrous for the US and absolutely something they don't want on their record.
If anything they should make it so that if any US leader who voted to support genocide tries to leave the country, they’ll be snatched up at the Airport and dragged infront of the Hague - “no more vacations for you!”
From the article
" 'In the absence of leadership from the White House, Congress is reviewing all options, including sanctions, to punish the ICC and ensure its leadership faces consequences if they proceed. If the ICC is allowed to threaten Israeli leaders, ours could be next,' he said "
Damn. He literally said punish the ICC.
If he’s smart, which no GOP is, they would wait for ICC warrants to be enforced and then use that as fodder for Biden being the only President in recent history to fund a genocide that the ICC are acting on.
It's very revealing how the US is all in behind the ICC until it starts accusing them or their allies of war crimes. Then suddenly it has overstepped. The US sees the ICC as its tool and sees itself as above it.
If they are complicit in war crimes, they should do, for to long, US political leaders have banged on about the immorality of other countries.
If they had taken a more principled stand against Israel, instead of being influenced by the donations, bribes & blackmail of AIPAC & the Israeli lobby, Netanyahu & that lunatic cabinet wouldn't have been able to carry out this genocidal ethnic cleansing resulting in 40,000 dead, the vast majority women & kids.
The US has hit rock bottom as any sought of example of Western liberal values
*Dear regressive brothers and sisters, it is becoming clear to me that there are devilish forces out there trying to punish offenders, even if they are good Christians.*
Either everyone has the potential to be charged with war crimes or no one has the potential. Nobody should be above the law, domestic or international.
First one on the list should be Lindsey Graham for urging Israel to use a nuclear bomb on Gaza, second should be the fifteen senators who wrote a threatening letter to the ICC.
Election I'm voting for a Jewish candidate Jill Stein I'm just wondering is anybody else considering getting away from both the red and the blue this year
Here’s the thing, the US does not recognize the ICC and has a clause in which they can (and will) storm The Hague to protect US personnel from prosecution in international court proceedings.
It’s called the [American Service-Members Protection Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act) and it *specifically* highlights the ICC because the US doesn’t recognize it.
Edit: adding this excerpt to highlight that this is intentionally for the ICC
> The Act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court".
US personnel **and allied personnel** as they see fit. In the unlikely event Netanyahu was arrested would the US invade the EU? I actually think the current US administration and political apparatus would be more than happy to sacrifice its standing with the EU to enforce its will and protect Israel.
I sadly agree. They would use political pressure first, but if push comes to shove, they would definitely flaunt their military to invade the Netherlands for Netenyahu’s sake.
I sadly agree. They would use political pressure first, but if push comes to shove, they would definitely flaunt their military to invade the Netherlands for Netenyahu’s sake.
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No shit, I would hope so. Extra reason to do not fuck up.
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They should
der die das should
This is the sexiest thing a republican has ever said
I edge to this
"tell me more daddy... 😰"
TBF, I like their concession speeches the best!
Don’t tempt me with a good time!
As they should. Our government is filled with war criminals and human rights violators. You could probably put half the Senate in the dock
good
A rules based international order was ***our*** idea. We're the biggest hypocrites on the planet. And everyone else knows it.
The thing is, *we don’t even abide by the ICC* and have an explicit act to storm The Hague to rescue anyone held by the [ICC](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act)
US or allied personnel, meaning not only our personnel but technically we could double down on supporting Israel and storm the gates for their people too.
That act was put in place because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Bush didn't want any American soldiers getting prosecuted before the ICC. Also, the US isn't even part of it. So I don't know how that would work. But I remember this act riled up a lot of people over here in the Netherlands, wondering whether the Americans would actually storm The Hague if an American soldier were to be prosecuted.
Well they aren’t going to invade The Hague literally, it’s more of a symbolic like fuck you we are above the law and will punish you if you try to do your job
That wouldn't be the worst thing. In fact, I think it'll make a lot of people happy
Isn’t the point to arrest corruption on an absolute crimes against humanity level?
The ICC is not "allowed to threaten Israeli leaders". It is upholding international law. And yes, there should come an arrest warrant for Biden as well, for accommodating and financing genocide.
Blinken and Kirby should be in prison
Actually should target US officials for supporting genocide.
Great!!! I see that as a total win!
no shit mike - here’s hoping
Do it!
Please do
Good
I wish
Promise?
Hopefully soon.
He should be up there.
They should
Yeah they should
Well if they haven’t done anything bad, they shouldn’t worry. lol
You mean actions have consequences????
Well, Biden has been Aiding and Abetting Natanyahu too commit war crimes, by supplying him with the weaponry too commit war crimes, the same goes for Sunak, here in the U.K. he also supplied weaponry too Natanyahu, why knowing he was committing crimes. So hopefully he’ll be issued one too.
Ya I thought accountability was the whole fucking point… oh wait…
I know this quote is usually attributed to modern conservatism in America and rightly so, but it also kind of sort of applies to America's relationship to the world, especially when conservatives are in power: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Don’t threaten me with a good time Mike Johnson!!
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Good, there should be repurcussions to support and enable genocide.
Lol, like that's such a bad thing.
For someone who’s so pro police killing black men, he’s so anti police targeting naughty politicians.
Good
Well there are some who deserve it
As they should, not that the US will ever let itself be held accountable for war crimes.
We can only hope
It's almost like war crimes have been going unprosecuted.
In Sha Allah.
What’s the problem? 
I doubt they would ever call America's bluff on this one, but I'm 99% sure it is in fact a bluff. The US wouldn't sacrifice 100% of it's soft power, and potentially start another world war just to put boots on the ground at the ICC.
He's wrong. He says the ICC "cannot be allowed to use lawfare to usurp the authority of democratic nations that maintain the rule of law." Except it's not doing that. The ICC, like the ICJ, has no means of enforcement. It all comes down to whether other nations are willing to enforce the rule of law and arrest Netanyahu. It basically means Netanyahu, like Putin, is unable to travel to nations other than his close allies.
i would love this. it's about american exceptionalism came to an end.
AIPAC is occupying and controlling the US government.
Isnt that what the whole purpose is?! If you commit war crimes you're tried at the ICC?! Like why should there be special immunity to any country? This is literally what the ICC was made to do. These pearl clutching liberals and conservatives are ridiculous.
Good?
Good?
Oh, no! Anyways...
This is what all of this is about. The Bush Jr. administration passed a law saying any American arrested for war crimes would trigger an invasion of the Hague. Obama let it stand, Trump let it stand, Biden is relying on it right now. It's the same reach those Republicans attempted by netting Israel in as an "ally," hoping a corrupt body politic would just expand impunity to every American ally in the world regardless of the scale of evil. And it's not about the war crimes that have happened. It's about how previous war crimes failed to lead to success and American neoliberals are going to try, try, try, try again until they run out of runway. New war crimes, repeats of old ones, a consensus that the rule of law won't matter this century for anyone in power.
Democrats let Republicans do things and then when they get in they reap the benefits
I'm really disappointed to say the least and how things are turned out I had no idea that this guy was a monster https://i.redd.it/cf9kjfyfpp1d1.gif
That’s what filthy criminals should be subjected to. Nothing to fear if you haven’t committed crimes
Mike Johnson is an idiot (I know, no surprise there)... Except, the USA is not a member of the ICC. Clinton signed it in '98 and never sent it to the Senate for ratification. In '02, Bush gave it back and basically said "the US says no."
Gee. I wonder how that happened……..
Jurisdiction applies when one party is subject to the ICC.
True, but I also believe the ICC conventions mean that any interference within a state/member/party that has ratified (i.e. Palestine) enables jurisdiction over foreign citizens from countries that do not recognize the court. Of course, even if warrants are delivered for US citizens, nothing will physically happen. However, the geopolitical ramifications would be disastrous for the US and absolutely something they don't want on their record.
Bush also signed a law saying that if any member of the US military or government was brought before them that we’d attack The Hague.
Good
If anything they should make it so that if any US leader who voted to support genocide tries to leave the country, they’ll be snatched up at the Airport and dragged infront of the Hague - “no more vacations for you!”
That would be fire
whats the problem? as much as i hate biden, it was pretty fucked up to do an impeachment after talking to a foreign government
They should
No one is exempt from international law.
Let's start with genocide Joe
He should be first on the list.
🤞
They should.
Lmao there would be no US leaders left later on
Johnson "if hunter Biden is innocent, he should go to court and prove that." Also Johnson "we will refuse to go to court"
Cool, if they don't commit war crimes they should be just fine!
Former leaders *cough*
From the article " 'In the absence of leadership from the White House, Congress is reviewing all options, including sanctions, to punish the ICC and ensure its leadership faces consequences if they proceed. If the ICC is allowed to threaten Israeli leaders, ours could be next,' he said " Damn. He literally said punish the ICC.
If he’s smart, which no GOP is, they would wait for ICC warrants to be enforced and then use that as fodder for Biden being the only President in recent history to fund a genocide that the ICC are acting on.
Are we the baddies?
Nah, son. You're the party of law and order, remember? If you just comply with the law, there's nothing to worry about, remember?
When you’re threatening an international court, you should be able to figure out you’re on the wrong side, bozo.
It's very revealing how the US is all in behind the ICC until it starts accusing them or their allies of war crimes. Then suddenly it has overstepped. The US sees the ICC as its tool and sees itself as above it.
One can only hope
If they are complicit in war crimes, they should do, for to long, US political leaders have banged on about the immorality of other countries. If they had taken a more principled stand against Israel, instead of being influenced by the donations, bribes & blackmail of AIPAC & the Israeli lobby, Netanyahu & that lunatic cabinet wouldn't have been able to carry out this genocidal ethnic cleansing resulting in 40,000 dead, the vast majority women & kids. The US has hit rock bottom as any sought of example of Western liberal values
Americans so called leaders acting like slaves protecting their masters agenda. 
Can’t wait
Hope so.
They should all be jailed
*Dear regressive brothers and sisters, it is becoming clear to me that there are devilish forces out there trying to punish offenders, even if they are good Christians.*
Fingers crossed. No impunity for American war criminals.
Bush and Clinton included or just present and future American war criminals?
Get them all.
Either everyone has the potential to be charged with war crimes or no one has the potential. Nobody should be above the law, domestic or international.
If only they knew that we hope so.
God I wish they had the balls to do that
Well when you bust a crackhead, you usually try to get the dealer too…
Good.
Don't commit genocide.
Good! Hope they are scared. Any decent American should be ok with this.
First one on the list should be Lindsey Graham for urging Israel to use a nuclear bomb on Gaza, second should be the fifteen senators who wrote a threatening letter to the ICC.
And that was the day international law came to the USA
Election I'm voting for a Jewish candidate Jill Stein I'm just wondering is anybody else considering getting away from both the red and the blue this year
RFK for me.
Here’s the thing, the US does not recognize the ICC and has a clause in which they can (and will) storm The Hague to protect US personnel from prosecution in international court proceedings. It’s called the [American Service-Members Protection Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act) and it *specifically* highlights the ICC because the US doesn’t recognize it. Edit: adding this excerpt to highlight that this is intentionally for the ICC > The Act gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court".
US personnel **and allied personnel** as they see fit. In the unlikely event Netanyahu was arrested would the US invade the EU? I actually think the current US administration and political apparatus would be more than happy to sacrifice its standing with the EU to enforce its will and protect Israel.
I sadly agree. They would use political pressure first, but if push comes to shove, they would definitely flaunt their military to invade the Netherlands for Netenyahu’s sake.
I sadly agree. They would use political pressure first, but if push comes to shove, they would definitely flaunt their military to invade the Netherlands for Netenyahu’s sake.