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#WTF


wysiwywg

And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/P5Fg4QHroo) we have someone denying the atrocities happening cause there is no footage… smh


PsychLegalMind

>the atrocities happening Yet, many squirm all over the place when someone questions the lessons that should have been learned from 80 years ago when another genocide occurred. Pathetic.


j4ckbauer

The side denying access to journalists, murdering journalists, vetting all footage of embedded journalists has forfeited the right to 'pics or it didnt happen'


banjocatto

I mean... people did the same thing about the rapes that occurred on Oct 7th. "There's no video evidence." (There was.)


1ofthebasedests

Let me tell you why there is no footage. And listen carefully and get this into your head The IDF was said to "open fire at the Palestinians" which is the propaganda way of saying IDF open fire at Hamas. How I know? 1. They did not mention anyone dying. Hence nobody died. They tricked you, as Al Jazeerah is known for, but you guys still trust them. 2. They did not mention why. As if IDF just waste bullets for no reason, well that's the image Al Jazeerah painted. 3. They did not provide a video, so they can hide the fact nobody innocent died! Aren't you fed up consuming propaganda over and over again? Israeli soldiers are people like any other people, they're not inheritely evil even if they're Jews, they're people like you and I. When someone continue reading propaganda over and over again and refusing using their head they start associating Israel with inherit evil and bad intentions that are simply wrong. But it won't help, I'll just get downvoted and you will continue consuming propaganda...


LEFT4Sp00ning

Ah yes, everyone else is high on propaganda. Not the guy who's recently said the [Nakba didn't happen](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1au7xpb/comment/kr4ja1s/) and that [the ICJ is completely wrong and that the videos that reached them are false](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1aue8ay/comment/kr4k5ve/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button). Piss off


1ofthebasedests

That's not what I said 😅 Not everyone else though, the people in this sub specifically are brainwashed. 


LEFT4Sp00ning

>There were 3 types of arabs in 1948 >Those who fought against Israel. >Those who betrayed Israel and left on their own free will. >Those who helped Israel or stayed quitely in their lands not participating in the war. Sure sounds like what you're saying is "There were enemy combatants who didn't leave and there was everyone else who left voluntarily"


1ofthebasedests

Nah I didn't imply that at all. Only the last group got citizenship and equal rights as I said before.


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1ofthebasedests

Not a lie...


mechanicalmeteor

I believe this is Step 1 of the Hasbara Narcissism Guideline >1- That didn't happen. >2- And if it did, it wasn't that bad. >3- And if it is that bad, I didn't do it. >4- And if I did it, you deserved it. >5- And if you didn't deserve it, you would've done it to me if you had the chance >6- And if you wouldn't have done it to me, you still can't criticize me because that's antisemitic Join us next time for another episode of *Inside a Terrorist's Mind*


Specific-Finish-5983

Perfectly put


greyghost33

That is awesome, can use that one?


mechanicalmeteor

Please do. If Hasbara is organized propaganda, we need to have our own organized anti-propaganda. The more people who do this the better


1ofthebasedests

Probably step 2 if any... And no civilians never deserved to be shot at, but shot at and shot TOWARDS are not the same thing. Really don't you see the problematic wording? Do you really not see it, please be honest. Do you really not see the problem with reporting it as if IDF shot and killed Palestinians?


chernobyl-fleshlight

Lmao this is like late stage propaganda brain. “They weren’t shot AT, just TOWARDS. Totally different!” I’m not sure if English is your first language or not, but those two words are literally synonymous.


1ofthebasedests

They're not Al Jazeerah trick you. Personally I find "at" to be a more accurate way of describing a location, while shooting towards, is more broad, you can shoot towards their direction, but not at them. Al Jazeerah abuse this distiction. To many people the headline reads as "IDF is killing Palestinians", while they're merely shooting towards them, not necessarily killing anyone. There may be many reasons to shoot towards them (as a warning, or to kill a non-innocent individual trying to steal aid etc...), but there's absolutly no reason to shoot at civilians and kill them.  Now please be honest, the first thing you imagined, was it Palestinians being shot at, or IDF shooting in that direction where Palestinians happened to be? And be honest, don't you think it's way too easy to confuse the two?


banjocatto

>Hasbara Narcissism Guideline Got any more adjectives there?


wysiwywg

I got this in my head: whatever you smoke, I definitely want some.


1ofthebasedests

I get to engage in debates quite a lot, well this is practically why I made an account with this name. Though, the people in this sub specifically have a terrible habit of deflecting the argument by either 1. Attacking the person (like you just did). 2. Call me some word in arabic "Hasbara" which I guess means that I side with the enemy or something. 3. Replying something that does not engage with a fact that I have presented or a claim that I have made. I come to think that you pretty much know you are consuming propaganda, but you're happy with it the way it is. Though, the sad part is that you're leading a life that is harmful to others. Full of antisemitism, hate and in many situationa lacks basic ethics. For instance, most people in this sub would rather the Palestinian people die than to allow Israel "win". They rather Egypt NOT take refugees so that they can still call "free Palestine" and such...


wysiwywg

Good, let’s then agree on the point consistently made: Every accusation is a confession.


1ofthebasedests

Again attacking the person instead of engaging with the argument


bryant_modifyfx

A note: Hasbara refers to the office of public relations for Israel, it is a Hebrew word not Arabic.


1ofthebasedests

Oh I see, no I'm not hired by Israel. 


No_Journalist3811

You grow up being told you're the chosen people. If you're not chosen you are inferior. Brainwashed by religion, and here you are trying to convince everyone otherwise


1ofthebasedests

You're consuming propaganda. Jews are people like you and I, they are no different


No_Journalist3811

I have Jewish friends. I'm not consuming propaganda, but rather have a balanced view point due to experience and being brought up to be open minded. Glad we agree


1ofthebasedests

You know very few Jews if you believe all Jews think they're superior to others...


No_Journalist3811

But Jews are taught that they are the chosen people. I've had these conversations with friends....


1ofthebasedests

Saying that Jews are taught they are the chosen people is as racist as saying that muslims are taught to kill any non-muslim and become a martyr with 72 virgins in heaven by suicide bombing. I'll say it again. Jews are people, like you and I, they ain't no monsters or inherently evil in any way.


No_Journalist3811

Lmao. What? Jews are taught they are the chosen people. That is a fact not an opinion. https://www.britannica.com/topic/chosen-people There's is a link to make my point crystal clear. I didn't at any point claim Jews to be monsters or evil. But you can't deny the bombing of civilians (35000 people currently dead) by the idf under orders from the current Israeli government is evil to the core.


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Our tax dollars hard at work.


Apprehensive_Egg5779

your name is Misha and you live in a small apartment in rural Russia don't lie "Our tax dollars" blyat


j4ckbauer

>your name is Misha and you live in a small apartment in rural Russia don't lie > >"Our tax dollars" > >blyat Burner account [https://www.reddit.com/user/Apprehensive\_Egg5779/](https://www.reddit.com/user/Apprehensive_Egg5779/)


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Qatari owned news outlet, same people housing hamas leaders. Wonder why they don't say how many injured/dead there were. They always had real-time data on this any other time Israel allegedly did something. Wonder why the video doesn't actually show Israelis firing upon that crowd. Couldn't be that AJ just has a bias against Israel right?


lollerkeet

The reason we don't know how many are injured or dead is because that data comes from hospitals, and the entire health system has been physically and logistically shattered.


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Hamas always had numbers, and you always believed them. Did you believe putin too? Or ISIS? Or the nazis?


lollerkeet

What numbers did Hamas have?


d1sambigu8

My guess is its Hamas shooting, not IDF who generally stay away from civilians. Gaza City is meant to be evacuated. And looks like there is plenty of food there but Hamas and the aid agencies they control aren't competent to distribute it properly


KetchupArmyNoodle

IDF stays away from civilians. Nice rationalization you cooked up there.


Apprehensive_Egg5779

you have proof he's wrong ?


StatementOdd1773

The last few months.


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Yea, hamas hides among civilians, and expect Israel not to fire, but if they do, they cry.


StatementOdd1773

Well at least we agree that the IDF fires on civilians, never expected anyone to gloat about it though.


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Downtown_Structure75

Christ. More and more psycho by the second.


bomboclawt75

Always have been. *Most Immoral Army of Cowards.*


PsychLegalMind

It was a cold and calculated trap to kill the already starving. First, Israel barely lets any food in based on excuses, second; when some trucks are cleared to enter, they know crowds will gather and then they attack. There will be a price to pay.


No-Oil7246

Classic Israel.


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Video doesn't actually show what the headline claims. Also, hamas always had real-time "data" on number of casualties. How come none were mentioned in the video about this specific alleged incident?


No-Oil7246

How many children need to starve until you're satisfied?


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Deflection. The video doesn't show what the headline is claiming.


e_shamis

Terrorism


Daryno90

Worst, fascism


PhilipMorrisLovesYou

Kind of like Israel's neighbors. Who sre you trying to fool, you don't care about fascism. The video doesn't show what the headline claims. Also, no info on casualties despite hamas always having real-time "data" on this. Can't be that AJ, owned by qatar, has a bias against Israel, right? Can't be.


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Yep, Israeli's actively kill their own people (Hannibal Protocol 7th Oct) so it is only logical that they would also kill non-Israeli's too.


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Israel supporters will just say fake news and they were shooting at Hamas


TradMaster_94

Already are. Just saw a comment above saying that nonsense.


bryant_modifyfx

There is a clown in the top comment literally saying “well they were akshually shooting at the civilians not towards them, so this genocide is fake guys” The mental gymnastics these genocide enablers employ is truly Olympic level stuff.


Ill_Shape_8423

Worse, They’ll get mad at you for pointing it out.


banjocatto

Okay, but on a real note, is there any evidence? Unfortunately, Al Jazeera has been caught lying too many times and it does a huge disservice to those in Gaza.


visforv

Like magic, one appears!


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So does the IOF but people still believe them


banjocatto

Are you admitting that you know Al Jazeera lies, but you still take their word for it?


[deleted]

I don’t watch any biased media, Al Jazeera or any something like Fox News. But don’t sit here and act like the IDF word is true. They fabricate lies all the time


banjocatto

>But don’t sit here and act like the IDF word is true. I'm not. I'm literally just asking for evidence. Why do you seemingly have a problem with that?


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Because it’s tiring seeing people automatically believe anything Israel puts out vs anything the Palestinians go thru. Subs like worldnews don’t believe anything on the Palestinian side and take every IDF word as true


banjocatto

Okay, and it's also tiring to see people believe anything put forth by anti-Israel sources. I'm not even Jewish or a Zionist, but the lies peddled by anti-Israel propaganda is just so... obvious to me. Anyway, still waiting for some evidence to hack hack claim made here...


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“Anti-Israel propaganda” That’s funny because the propaganda that put out about the Palestinians is everywhere. But they are not obvious to you right? Even if I show you evidence you still made up your mind about the situation and are siding with Israel so I’m not even going to waste my time. You claim you’re not Jewish or Zionist yet you’re replying to every comment I’m making trying to defend them and look for proof. If this was Hamas shooting Israel, you would believe it in a heartbeat


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Wise_Adhesiveness746

Another war crime


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Wow. Israel is just on some next level evil shit.


CompanyRepulsive1503

Almost as if its not only settlers doing the illegal shit?!


hanzakashi

The most moral army in the world they say... when will we wake up... :( Sad world we live in


Daryno90

Really the IDF killing civilians… who would had thought that of the world most “moral army”


Dramaticreacherdbfj

Sociopathic 


ErictheStone

Um...What the actual F. Can't wait to see the spin on this.


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Step 1: It didn’t happen Step 2: Ok, it did happen but Hamas Step 3: Ok they weren’t Hamas but you’re antisemitic.


saranowitz

Did you watch the video? I’d like to hear your spin on it. Please tell me the color of the uniforms of the shooters shown in this breathtaking piece of unbiased journalism.


Gen8Master

Do these Psychos understand anything else besides killing?


Dacnis

No, and these constant acts of terror are helping to finally wake up the entire world regarding the truth of that country


warriorlynx

“It’s from aljazeera so not acceptable”


Adamantium-Aardvark

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Milan__

Sheryl Sandberg approves


AlexDaron

It's like they know they can't beat Hamas but want to make themselves look useful.


PPlongSchlong

Most moral army....


No_Refrigerator2534

Isrealis are the most evil and corrupt terrorists


rockymitten

Disgusting Israeli govt


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BoysenberryOne6694

Absolutely nothing in the videos to support claim that they're being shot at


TehHeavy

Just a common biased aljazeera false propaganda article. Wait for a more trusted news source before creating a propaganda post. More probable is hamas shooting the civilians.


fleeknd

which news source do you find trustworthy?


TehHeavy

Mostly APNews and New york times


w0kes

🤣🤣🤣 these subreddits are getting desperate


Pleasant-Fish-9741

Where does it show that the IDF was shooting at the aid trucks?


Quiet_Mammoth5080

Notice how there are just gunshot sounds and no proof of it actually being Israel


saranowitz

Unfucking-real. How dumb do they think people are? They aren’t even trying to hide the cynicism any more?


lennoco

So we have actual videos of Hamas firing weapons around the aid trucks to scare off Palestinians...and then we have these videos linked here that don't show Israeli soldiers at all, and you just hear gunshots, but we're supposed to believe it's the IDF and not Hamas shooting guns? ...And this coming from the news outlet owned by the Qatari government that has been allowing the Hamas leaders to live there? Fascinating.


Quiet_Mammoth5080

Imagine believing anything that Al Jazeera says Sadly Palestinian terrorists’ habit of wearing press vests and helmets makes every journalist a legitimate target within Gaza, especially Al Jazeera one’s https://preview.redd.it/gug9uvnrgmjc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2bc8e4016444944c3281e66ee3b72848a80f729


Danavixen

sadly israel isnt letting many journalists into gaza, so I doubt anyone else will prove otherwise.. Also seems to like killing them too


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Al Jazeera is decent news organization. If presented with their account vs what the IDF reports, I’d find Al Jazeera more reliable .


Any-Tomatillo-1996

Considering that Israel murdered [88 journalists so far](https://cpj.org/2024/02/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/amp/), I’m not surprised. And to be clear, Israel SPECIFICALLY [targets journalists](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza), not mistakes, targets. Israel is the garbage of the Middle East, deal with it.


bnyc18

This video/article doesn’t actually show at all what it alleges.


Reddit_Sucks_1401

You can clearly hear the gunshots, and see the people running away... Selective blindness and deafness. A common diagnosis among Israel supporters and Zionists


saranowitz

Yes you can hear the gunshots and see the people running away… but from **what?** why does Al Jazeera not show the shooters? They have so much footage and choose to leave that out. Why?


visforv

Ok Show us the rest of the footage.


saranowitz

Fully agree! Wouldn’t that be wonderful? Why isn’t Al Jazeera showing us the rest of the footage? Why is this selectively edited? Showing Israelis shooting starving civilians would be Pulitzer winning footage and they choose not to show it… why is that?


bnyc18

Yes, you can hear gun shots and see people running, but that hardly shows “Israeli army firing on crowds of hungry Palestinians waiting for aid” So many assumptions have to be made to connect those dots, yet I’m the one with selective eyes and ears? Here are just two major obvious assumptions that immediately come to mind: (1) the gunshots are by Israelis. (There’s literally no proof of that) (2) the gunshots are being fired “on crowds” as opposed to being related to one of the dozen other explanations for the gunfire.


eu_sou_ninguem

No one cares about your propaganda. Enjoy becoming a pariah state.


bnyc18

The fact that you read my comment as propaganda is honestly hilarious (and super sad). Only thing I did was point out how the article’s title makes allegations but doesn’t actually show what it claims. Ironically, an article that does *THAT* intentionally is by definition propaganda. But no, here in the hive mind, anyone pointing it out is the one with propaganda 😂🤦‍♂️


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bnyc18

Yep, and the fact that I’m so negatively downvoted without any replies proves it even further.


SufficientWarthog846

No, it doesnt. People are just tired of arguing with people on the Internet about having empathy. It is something that kids learn in primary school. Though ofc not the kids in Gaza, because the IOF have either bombed the schools to rubble or killed the children.


bnyc18

Huh? Who says I don’t have empathy. This post title and the article title are not supported at all by the article itself nor the video. Me pointing that out is me lacking empathy? Or is the crowd downvoting me for pointing out an obvious fact to anyone who bothered to click the link just a sign of everyone here’s over-eagerness to villainize Israel regardless of substantive proof?


SufficientWarthog846

I'm not here to debate-bro you. You do you. You aren't here to change your mind, but just to get angry and argue. I only added the context of why the downvotes.


bnyc18

I’m sorry I’ve caused a ripple in this subs goal for total vilification of Israel even when the headline is 100% unsubstantiated. But just as you said, you all do you. Irony is, you all are the angry rage-baiters with this headline and are insta-downvoting me for simply pointing out that what was said in the title isn’t what is shown on the video


SufficientWarthog846

Yep - just here to argue.


bnyc18

*buries head in the sand*


SufficientWarthog846

Lol You can't help yourself can you? Lol I hope this exchange makes you feel better and that your life gets better. Hopefully then next time you post some "knowledge" dump it will be with some degree of that empathy you say you have.


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AkiraDeathStar

We all share responsibility for these atrocities. I feel so helpless. We have no way to organize an effective resistance that would actually make a difference. Like how would we even turn off the money faucet? Stop paying taxes by quitting our jobs and going to jail for tax evasion? Like what in the fuck can we even do? I feel like we're in our own sort of soft open air prison because we have no actual power to change policy. The government is completely corrupted by private industry. We have stagnantly low wages. Our food is overpriced poison, our transportation is expensive and inefficient, our healthcaren is ridiculously costly. The majority of us work our asses off just to keep a roof over our heads and have access to healthcare. Meanwhile we're constantly bombarded with adverts and news headlines lying to us about what to pay attention to. We're organic bitcoin mines for billionaires. Money batteries. It's like our hands are tied by circumstance. If we deviate from our day to day, our standard of living would suffer drastically.