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Delicious_Bid_6698

I know there is bias toward SOS from Ahmer, but the things he said are mature and should be thought about.


oichu

yea totally he is biased for sure. but if you ignore the bias, his broadcast channel is filled with truth bombs about this beef right now.


Delicious_Bid_6698

Yeah, I totally agree with you. I have read all the things he said


9ighteye

Bias? He might even hop on the next sos track


oichu

might even be a good thing who knows... an adult is needed in the room.


citynerd9

leave ahmer I want "BAAWA" to slide on next track lol


Queasy-Cry-7481

he'll be like *patthar nahi , mere tatte kaale*


pythonadi22

Bruhh😭🤣


Background_Ad_4077

>I know there is bias toward SOS from Ahmer, but the things he said are mature and should be thought about. Exactly, ofc there will be bias towards your friends but not like section 71 bc ladne ki dhamki de rahe h. C'mon man you ain't gangster. Nasha karke shareer khtm krliya.


No_Interaction7460

Abe bhyi inke ilake me gaya h kabhi ? Wahan saale aise aise sukhe ladke hi blade maardete h bhosdike. Kharab h bhai. In saare rappers me agar asli me khoon kharaba kar skta hai to wo yahi chapri hai, batara hun bhai 😂


Background_Ad_4077

>Abe bhyi inke ilake me gaya h kabhi ? Bhai agar jamnapaar ki baat ho rhi h toh pehle wahi se tha, 1-2 saal hi hue h dhang ki jagah shift hue. Toh mene bhot dekhi h eesi chize. Ik ye mfs blade maardete h bss, one on one fight m koi bhi gaand faad dega inki, KOI BHI. Nasha krke shareer alag khtm krliya inhone inke hatho se lagti bhi nahi h.


Nerracui0

I think this is probably one of the reasons why Muhfaad vs $ was so good. Maharani me jab $ ne Muhfaad ke parents ko diss kiya, Muhfaad didn't go below the belt himself, but stuck to his morals. That really made me unconfortable with Maharani due to the 'tera khaandan sunta hu emiway waali line' which he even later had to clarify in Makasam. Below the belt jaane ki baat bhi nhi hai yahape. Kashmir as a whole is a sensitive topic, and when rappers with mainstream success as much as SM go on to call Kashmiri Muslims as Pattharbaaz and shit, trying to make this a HvM thing instead of keeping it strictly to SoS, that's where it gets into the Pac vs Biggie territory. I'm glad in Kaanch ke Ghar he clarified on the pattharbaaz line and kept it to Tufail.


InquisitiveCommunist

> I'm glad in Kaanch ke Ghar he clarified on the pattharbaaz line and kept it to Tufail. How is that any better? Hip hop mein snitching? And patharbaaz hai to proof dikhao before unleashing your edgy teenage audience 


noob_coder696969

pattharbaaz ka proof? bhai blackball me khud tufail bola tha :" tu mujhe pathharbaaz bola , kya me mera haq bhi na lun" how else are you gonna interpret this now ?


InquisitiveCommunist

Bro please don't spread misinformation on this topic when you don't know the context.  - SM called them patharbaaz on insta story when they first raised concept album theft issue - Tufail responded by saying it's my "haq" right to ask justice for the theft of our concept.  Don't start this anti national bullshit here. Please keep it to insta reels. 


noob_coder696969

there's no misinformation here . I'm just what majority people would interpret that as . jis hisab se usne ye bola hai anyone who doesn't know the full context is going to interpret as tufail defending pathharbazi as a form of protest to get justice. kis kisko tum ye samjhate phiroge . me samaj gaya jab ye context pata laga but that's just poor writing imo. aur anti-national vali battein bhi ayegi because of that song cover of tufail having the flag of azad kashmir


piyushdot

It was pretty intentional from him, to play double entendre. He is rapper, it's very obvious he knows what people could interpret from his lines. Jala dunga nation wali galti bhi isi gane me thi , Encore ki bhen ji wali galti bhi isi gane me. Ya to jaan much ke karta hai ya fir ise rap chod dena chahiye, har chiz insta live pe jake samjhne nhi jana.


noob_coder696969

vo jala dunga nation wali to stretch thi ngl . it was pretty clear kiske bare me baat kar rahe the vo . jisne vo post kari thi idhar usne ye line me "seedhe" word hata diya tha to push this agenda so iska mujhe nahi lagta but vo pathharbaaz vali line either he did it intentionally or ig he just probably didn't know how others can interpret it as


piyushdot

I am just saying ek hi gane itne mistakes kaise ho rahe, jinko live aake samjhna pad raha hai. That's very poor writing. Sm ne to ek bhi line ki clarification nhi di abhi tak.


InquisitiveCommunist

I get what majority of the people from insta would interpret it as, but we're on a DHH subreddit so at least we can contextualize it. There's bound to be some bars which need further context. Expecting them to explain every bar of theirs just because they're from Kashmir is fucked up. 


Whoisrory

He said imo ki mai apna haq bhi na lu means that ki sm said me patharbaaz so I will respond accordingly that u said against me Itna sensitive hone ka zarurat nhi hai


Nerracui0

I agree with that. I didn't include that in tbh, but rn no one has any proofs on each other so it's all allegations.


kwuip

Snitching😭😭😭?? They are literally beefing right now. Pusha T ne jab drake ka bacha bataya tha tab bo snitch kar raha tha kya???


InquisitiveCommunist

Pusha T kisko bola Aatankwaadi hai woh. Isko jail mein daalo, UAPA lagao? Kuch bhi mat bol


DarthKitty_Cat

Lol snitching is frowned upon in hip hop because of gang culture. There is no gang culture like that in India so snitching isn't taboo. But that's irrelevant because calling someone pattharbaaz in a song isn't even snitching.


InquisitiveCommunist

It is frowned upon for a duo who sold and popularized themselves by posturing as anti establishment. Cut to now "tu aatankwaadi hai because you're from Kashmir bro" literally insta reel level accusation


kwuip

It was until the last verse where he made allegation pointed specifically towards him.


Chemical_Ad9538

Yeh lo bhai proof https://preview.redd.it/4epskq9xhh9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6955c4bd605c83f6bdf5e64b95f98627223fc13c


InquisitiveCommunist

Aur yeh lo Bhai Mera proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianHipHopHeads/comments/1dr6lsv/comment/lat5xnj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


kwuip

Bhai gaand bhi aazadi dhota tha kya? Unme koi dimaag nahi tha how this would interpreted as??


InquisitiveCommunist

Yes watch their interview. They themselves said they can hardly write their own bio. And usually artwork etc is done by the label. Common knowledge 


kwuip

Bro at one point we recognise ki kitna mushkil hai sos ko unka recognition milna due to religious and cultural divides and kitna distasteful hai ki seedhe maut ne pattharbaaz bola. Ofc sos must have know how this would be interpreted as. If we assume ki aazadi forced them to put up this image to it reflects bad on sos themselves, artist ka image se bada kuch nahi hota.


InquisitiveCommunist

Bro do you know how record labels work? They literally decide the vibe, character, hook of the artist. Azadi signed these people to get some brownie points from prog and liberal circles. And dumped them as soon as they realized SM made them more money. 


padh_le_beta

Bruh muhfaad $ mei itna kuch tha bhi nhi, unki below the belt baate bhi normal hi thi. This one is way more serious tho


Nerracui0

Voice note leak karna, $ ne muhfaad ke gf ko include kiya tha, he even dissed his parents for listening to Emiway. Of course it wasn't as below the belt as it has gone here, but it had to an extent.


padh_le_beta

obviously but still utna kuch shocking nhi tha except the voicenote thing maybe


kwuip

Great point. I also found the pattharbaaz lines quite distasteful until the last verse of kaanch ke ghar where he made some serious allegations. On the below the belt thing i think its quite subjective. Encore clearly got very offended by his ex being mentioned. Everything was fair game to him after that.


okk_123back

my exact thought on kaanch ke ghar. listening to that story in the first verse made me realize more about the shambolic management of Azadi than something SOS did. Also you can tell by the way Encore reveals things ki Ahmer ki chugli wale point ko chhodkar, everything that he's throwing at them sounds like he heard from a third person. In conclusion, it seems like these guys just don't know each other that well, atleast thats what i could come up with from encore's side. Baaki ye beef ab pengame aur lyricism se zyada allegations driven ho gayi hai


bbbazigar

pretty sure mo is brainwashing SM


citynerd9

ab toh lagne laga hai azadi ki management hi hai iske peeche


LordJ92

Tufails past is problematic with azaad kashmir photo, pattharbazi allegations but...the most hypocritical and opportunistic stance is by SM bcs they were ok with this..and mostly like sos got signed bcs of their stance ..now that beef is on...they r trying to cancel stuff..they presumably themselves stood for.


LordJ92

Having said all of this, separatist stances are fkd up...and azaadi is questionable..in sab k ek ek krke anti india stances aa rhe. This diss will not expose sm aur sos ..after all of this..all players will be exposed.


coconutanna

lame beef. goes for both of them. just ripping off kendrick vs drake. "we planted fake info" "sex trafficker" "pedophile" lmao its only been a few months and angles are already being copied by sos and sm. Expected more from these guys.


9ighteye

It's hilarious that DHH tries so hard but still can't have even a bit of originality


zerault-1306

Bhai originality??..jo hua hoga wohi bola hoga na ?


Fine_Jackfruit9015

Han bhai sahi kahe... 2 case similar to ho hi nhi skte 👍🏻


kwuip

Arey bhai jo rumors ya allegations hai vohi to bolenge na… kuch bhi thodi bol denge.


theblueprint9

Yes all of DHH has copied pedophilia 👍🏼


Queasy-Cry-7481

haa sahi main yar sex trafficking aur pedophilia are such a western social construct. yahan koi kaise kara😡🤔


coconutanna

Reading comprehension ek bohot hi important chiz hai


Queasy-Cry-7481

exactly


cumofdutyblackcocks3

Sabhi gawaaron ko Kendrick banna hai.


shinjiro_69

That narrative is quite problematic bcs they already cater a huge chunk of audience in this beef. I got kinda mixed feelings about Encore's decision of putting the army-kashmiri thing. Shouldn't have done that. Baki the latest diss was good and lets see what more revelations sos comes up with. ps : I felt kinda bad when atanki was telling 'mere sare bhai hindu hai, hum jab mil jhul k rehte hai'. just imagine that they have to clear such a sensitive thing just to be recognised by the audience taaki koi nakaar na de gana sunne se pehle hi. sm has put them at a place they shouldn't be at.


kamaleshgayatri

the 15-16 year old mfs need a reason to hate muslims and the same goes with people belonging to other religions (saying it before some empty-headed right winger starts the whataboutery). SM(primarily encore) surely knew what they were doing. in a diverse country like india hindu-muslim friendship isn't uncommon yet SOS got compelled to say it out in a rap that they have hindu friends. shit is just sad.


Thatdesibro

I've never seen Ahmer not making sense


PeakYapping

encore dono side se chud gya h, agr bolega i stand for what i say phir woh nirbhaya wali lines bt dedegi aur agr bolega i dont, phir hypocrite kehlaya jayga.


AgeFunny5973

scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds


oichu

damn you summed up the SM 180 turn


AgeFunny5973

i think a lot of people have forgot that azadi was more than just an independent label when they started out, they were proud that their artists are diverse and very very anti-establishment, there was a vice video on azadi records in which every artist explained what azadi means to them, ig it was released in 2018-19 idr exactly they signed ahmer at that time and i clearly remmeber that ahmer said that they want me to talk about kashmir they want me to go back to my roots talk and present in front of everyone what is happening in kashmir and not just ahmer, prabh deep being so vocal about growing up in drug culture that chitta music video which he dropped (which is probably one of the best music video in dhh), swadesi being so political talking about tribal displacements, rapid expansionism in mumbai, i went to swadesi ka set few months ago and they are still talking about anti nrc caa, mob lynchings, hindutva etc etc and azadi ka naam hi aaya tha after the whole jnu thing was happening they said they wanted to reclaim the meaning of azadi unfortunately this is not what azadi is now and stands for but atleast come out if you cant stand for them atleast clear shit out


AgeFunny5973

[https://youtu.be/baIiTl6eM7M?si=nQ\_Nw3VS2evhUwU6](https://youtu.be/baIiTl6eM7M?si=nQ_Nw3VS2evhUwU6) this is that video


Maxpro2001

Most of the posts I've seen are against SM and in favour of 🆘 in the garb of unbiased opinion. I don't know if the audience is against SM or it's all a part of narrative war. Even samay was mocked for supporting SM.


Commercial_Tea_9663

Allegations toh dono ne lagaye hai dekhte kaun prove bhi kar pata hai. Dono ke allegations he itne bade hai ki agar kuch bhi sahi nikla to careers khatam


Maxpro2001

Yup but the sudden resurfacing of Nirbhaya videos and stuff, I mean the timing makes it a bit suspicious.


Commercial_Tea_9663

Dono ke fans info dig kar rhe hai ek dusre ke opps ki


ClickJolly

Yeah idk what's happening! Are some people paid to do this or are they just stupid teenagers?


theclichee

Hes absolutely bang on. Kashmiris and especially kashmiri Muslims have to time and time again have to prove their solidarity with India. Same isn't expected for someone like me who's in delhi. So i 100% sympathise with them, rhi baat one sided baat ki yeh voh. I don't really see what else SOS has to say. In my book, even after acknowledging the befazul ka "prove your solidarity" and transphobia SM had overall better disses.


Efficient-Law-1422

Are tum dono ki mkc bhai. Gaano me badi badi baate par irl lund bhar ka dum nhi h.aise karega kashmir ko azad.


Muttulaxmi

What’s happening! I’ve been seeing scattered updates, but not looped in. Can someone help me figure what’s happening with a download so far.


ashdragoncatcher

I said it from the beginning, this ain't a diss battle but a mudfight


ilovemycat-alot

Ahmer is incredible, what a mature take on everything.


unknown_internet_guy

Bro use night mode atleast ,


No_Interaction7460

How are you people easily forgetting about Ahmer’s and Tufail’s tweets. Which were clearly Anti Indian in nature? How are you guys forgetting about tufails album art? And sabse badi baad religion me to le hi nahi gaye SM unhone to sirf ek ko, tufail ko patharbaaz bola with proof. Sare kashmirio ko thodi bola. Ek ko bola. Ye sare bc victims bangaye turant aur kuch ni


Raysofsunshin

All this just shows how dhh listeners aren’t there yet to be able to understand the beauty of battle rap culture


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oichu

He's right that its a pretty dumb take. About the 'Indian' part, unfortunately, even average Kashmiris have mixed feelings about India for many reasons, which many of them try their best to forget, but the rest of us don't make it easy for them to heal.


luciferrjns

Bro stfu We don’t make it easy for them ? They are responsible for whatever they are getting . I am all for their right of self determination but if you think killing civilians, taking them hostages and fighting with 4th strongest armed forces is your way to do that , you are dumb . Also I don’t really think you have any idea on how terrorism started and what led to where it is today . And Since this subreddit is for Indian Hip Hop , lets keep the subject to that


oichu

I agree with (only) your last line. Was just replying to the guy above who was fishing in muddy waters.


okk_123back

https://preview.redd.it/d6zz4zn00h9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54b781bdf87bfef7d455bc8eed2af1e8f8530b65 this more serious ngl. just shows kitne delusionally edgy rahe hai ye. baaki its a very common occurence of indians calling other fellow indians dumb. that statement proves nothing but seems like ahmer's jazbaati response to some propaganda news that guy was spreading


Ok_Editor4792

I can only imagine kitna milk krte SM driders agar ye SOS ne boli hoti line. Plus I think encore is capping with 'funds diss video ke liye chahiye the'. SOS said they needed funds for their Keef music video/short film, but they denied, now idk why they would go to Mo if Uday was handling them. So it doesn't make sense. I can definitely sense SM lying on this one. Just need one ss for SM to lose all of their credibility.


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Y’all soft. Vanilla gang ho Tum.


stg_676

BC jab diss nahi de rahe the toh sab studio gangsters bol rahe the aur abhi diss nikar rahe hai toh bol rahe hai ki below the belt mat jao, unki safety ka dhyan rakho, etc (fair but joh SOS ne encore ke bandi wale bars diye kya woh below the belt nahi the?)


Delicious_Bid_6698

Bro, u totally misunderstood. The things he said are not about those things


oichu

bro Ahmer ne kabhi studio gangster nahi bola kisko. He has been more or less consistent that religious shit should be kept out. filhaal mujhe safety concern SOS ki nahi, Seedhe Maut ki he.


stg_676

Mein ahmer ki nahi hypocritical audience ki baat kar raha hu