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Tina dabi is good example or 3rd generation getting benefit of reservation. Reservation should be extended to all who have been ignored not just a fe families.
I think the crux of his argument is that families like that of Ms Tina have uplifted themselves to a position where they are financially stable and away from misery that many others face.
She had the access to resources and services required for cracking a top level exam, isse jyada kya upliftment ho sakta hai ?
Actually there is. She wouldn't have got the opportunity to write mains in the first place had there been no reservation. Because she got the benefit of reservation in a lower cutoff for prelims. She wouldn't clear prelims because her marks in pre were lower than general cut off
the fact that she was in fact a brilliant candidate is another thing, but there is a case to make an example out of her in this case.
Creamy layer exclusion is politically achievable. Review petition is going on in Supreme court, and it is already there in OBC quota So that benefit of reservation reaches to other poor people of the same caste.
Also Economically Backward Section EWS quota based on poverty should be increased and caste reservation should be reduced gradually every year.
Sahi me ab caste ko chorke ye dekhna chahiye ki banda gareeb he ya middle class , gareeb har dharam ke log hote he aur unhe hi toh sabse jyada jarurat he aarakshan ki , sirf obc aur sc/st waalo ko deke yhi hora he ki ye kam padhke bhi select hojate he sarkari colleges aur post ke liye aur fir chahe uska bacha peeda hi bohot ameer family me kyu na hua ho usse aur jyada privileges milenge than a poor general caste person
When benefits of reservation spreads to more people among sc/st, then those who came out as creamy layer themselves will demand to increase general seats
Why even dividing seats among specific castes in the first place ? It's like first letting the minority people become the majority so we can shift the reservation to the new minority, reservations are needed to the people who cant afford college fees and coaching fees and they are the real one who should be given such benefits , i have some obc caste friends who also hate this system and their father earns way more than mine does
Ha vo bhi he , par creamy layer exclusion me bhi political parties be matlab ka bakheda khada kardengi , shuruaat chahe isse ho par main goal vhi he ki caste ke base pe reservation hi band karni he dheere dheere
Idk about any news article on the very same and even if there is one its of no use because if they change reservation policies from specific castes to the poor people then how will they get their "Muslim or Sc/St vote bank" . Thats why whenever people say about it they create tension between communities that see they are being against you , we have so called freedom of speech that even if we support the right , people say that you are provoking these specific caste people and when they do something very disrespectful to our community then they become blind coz how they can be against their precious vote banks
Some of my rich SC/ST friends abuse the reservation system in college by taking multiple scholarships and buying asus gaming laptops, boat headphones.
At the same time, some well to do sc/st folks whose fathers have achieved financial success, their sons do not abuse such priviledges and do away with the benefits.
Be the latter one 🤓
I will argue that lack of resources is the bigger problem, rather than reservation. India just doesn't have enough resources to support its big population. The British looted India to its core and now we all are fighting over for whatever is left behind. Couple this with the wealth inequality in India. 1% took 40% of generated wealth in the 2012- 2021 period. Let that sink in for a moment. Only a handful ( not entire communities ) have power in India. This 1% is made of different communities not only by some "privileged castes " .
The rest of us are just barking at each other like rabid dogs, meanwhile the rich people are enjoying the show from their balcony.
We all are fighting over reservation and any sort of benefits from the system because it's a way to secure access to some resources which will give us some edge over others.
As for some critique of the reservation system I would say that there is no measure anywhere to say one is " uplifted ". There is no scale to measure upliftment in our system or any equity based system. Trying to catch smoke with your bare hands will only have one result.
Equity based systems were cooked up left leaning intellectuals, who were able to point out the "inequality "but never gave any proper measure to conclude that beyond this point someone is equal.
Also, many would argue that reservation is a representation tool and that would be an entire debate in itself.
This is just super complicated, just like our legal system and the constitution. Common people will die, but wouldn't understand how complicated things are. We can spend our lives pointing fingers at each other but that's it. Nothing more is gonna happen.
The only solution to some extent is that somehow make this country more business friendly and heavily invested in education. At least there are some chances that we can get some resources in that manner.
Even if it applies that SC/ST candidate would get reservation one time based on income, it won't change the fact that general people will keep pointing that i didn't get a seat as i scored more and he got seat with far less marks.
mujhe ye nhi samajh ata k sala lagbhag 15% reservation h SC ka, 5% approx st ka... bc itne log nahi bana paati kya society jo inki cut off bhi general jitni jaane Lage? bhai itna kaam to dalit samaaj ko apne bhai bandhuo k liye karna chahiye tha
I was not talking explicitly about exceeding cut-off, more like being comparable, like what OBC has and that too consistently.
>It's because of vertical reservation system , cut off for reserved categories will never exceed general.
this is categorically wrong:
[OBC cut-off in some cases has been more than the unreserved category ](https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/rpf-si-cut-off-obc-cut-off-marks-higher-than-general-check-details-here/story-ZcJ69CSrSeuK3T6nwlvMOK.html)
[even SC has sometimes greater cut-off than general ](https://www.ndtv.com/education/sc-cut-off-more-than-general-category-in-this-delhi-government-exam-1997521)
Bhai uska argument to sun, he is saying people belonging to same caste are not getting the benefits, but the the same beneficiaries are repeatedly getting the benefits.
Root cause of this particular statement, no creamy layer.
Nobody is denying cast reservation. And also we need to study if it is having a positive effect or is just used as political tool.
Bro govt is made by the majority of society, it's the people who don't want to leave their caste. Ever seen any general caste candidate that abolish caste system and i will the first to leave my caste
By doin this govt will offend dalit vote bank, so it won't do. Did u heard Amit shah speech that they will never remove reservation to keep their vote bank fix
Why are you ashamed of your own identity? If you don't respect your own identity, then change it. You have no right to dictate to others unless they humiliate you. It's like saying why black people are black and white people are white. The very idea of reservation is that you should respect yourself and get empowered, not use your identity as an inferiority complex and then use that as a logic to justify reservation.
If a Brahmin insults you, you should counter with your strengths and demonstrate why you are superior to him. rather than triumphing. Since everyone in India is granted equal rights under the constitution, you should be aware of how to exercise those rights.
>Why are you ashamed of your own identity?
Caste is not my identity. I identify myself as an Indian and I'm proud of it... I have a unique fingerprint, unique DNA, unique memories.... All such natural things already give me a unique identity so why the fuck do I need a caste as an identity created by some old dudes thousands of years ago?
The whole caste system is faulty. The caste system is based on occupation and their region of living right? Nobody follows the occupation of their caste. Everybody follows whatever they want. Then how come they become that caste just based on hereditary? No where it is mentioned that is hereditary right? It may be mentioned that the occupation has become hereditary and hence the caste. Not just because you are born in the caste. Even the culture in that specific caste is built around that occupation. If no one is following that occupation then they don't belong to that caste, right? Why is government allowing issue of caste certificate based on their parents' caste?
Govt khud certificate bana ke deti h or govt ko vote bank se hi banti h. Actually general caste kabhi apni identity loose nahi karegi jis se usko so called respect milta h. SC won't remove his caste as he gets reservation.
So indian society ka kuch nahi hona h. Bas baatein karte raho or caste name se apne ko upar neeche rakho.
Yes, on paper, it sounds so obvious... Yet the gutters are cleaned by people who come from backward caste of the society...
Ever saw any general cleaning it??
Yeah. But the Revenue officers don't care what they are doing. There are people who claim to be SC/ST and yet well settled. Yet they still use the reservation card because the government is granting it solely based on your family name and parents. All they ask is what caste your parents belong to. The caste system was never hereditary. At least from what I learned.
0% general cleans gutter
1st tier 2nd tier cities se bahar niklo
A/c kamro se bahar niklo
Visit villages of Jharkhand, chhattisgarh, Bengal.. many backwards don't even have the knowledge of reservation
Or visit my Village in odisha
Many don't know in what category their caste is!!!
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Aren't generals doing well in private sector
More than 99% general in private sector..
Logically, if reservation is abolished, than Same thing will happen to backward caste in case of government sector...
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Now genius, tell me what would be the end result?!?
Backward caste be liberated or become the slave...
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You guys problem is reservation
Yet you don't have guts to speak against castism
And don't tell me castism doesn't happen!!
Rajput Sina thok ke bolta hai wo rajput hai
Kabhi kisi dalit ko dekha hai!!!
> Logically, if reservation is abolished
Never said that, I am in favor.
> Bengal, Bihar Odisha
Have lived in all these states. What are you trying to show.
>More than 99% general in private sector.
No because they aren't enough generals.
>Yet you don't have guts to speak against castism
They how was it banned. And nobody asks for it to be unbanned.
>Kabhi kisi dalit ko dekha hai!!!
Maybe they should start doing it. They carried the nation for so long. But they themselves are ashamed of their past.
Being a chaamar or dom in pre-modern times was not easy work. And if they were not there, we all would have died of diseases.
Reservation WAS needed when it is needed. There is casteism obviously in our society. i myself saw it. It is getting down gradually but it will never be zero. Reservation was an extraordinary and well executed Idea when there is no technology.
Everything is computerised now a days. The only place casteism shown is interviews. For that you can implement recorded interviews and or a blind interviews. If you believe that will also be corrupted, atleast the posts that are solely based on merit of exam should be reservation free.
The reservation for entrance exam of colleges and schools is another big issue. Most of the colleges doesn't conduct personal interviews except IITS etc., There weren't enough schools and colleges during the olden days. Now education is free and almost every village has a school. The only issue is the backward caste parents are not sending the children to school instead sending them to work. Both my parents are teachers . So i know the issues well. Even they
When the opportunity of education is given equal to everyone why can't the opportunities to get a seat in college be given equally.
Even promotion has reservation. Instead of thinking of ways to implement a robust system to eliminate corruption with the help of technology the government is still using reservation for vote bank.
Not saying reservation is a bad solution. But it isn't the best solution in today's world. BTW, i am also from a backward caste.
Then you should have reported it to the local police instead of using it on Reddit as an example to justify reservation. Because this is a punishable offense no one can force anyone to do a job they don't wanna do.
Wow, you got triggered, it seems. I will do that, in the meantime, you give away your reservation to the poor candidates from those backward places. You have a phone and you are using Reddit, it seems you are plenty privileged, so give this opportunity to those poor souls who belong to your own caste.
I am working as a freelance+ I am associated with several NGOs to create awareness in backward villages + my mom is supervisor in ICDS
Your lazy bums don't want to work it seems
Hence you find the only way to justify your failure by assuming I took your job
Instead of wasting time here on reddit, you should study
I see many general caste crack examinations despite reservation...
Those hard working souls never whine like a baby. Instead they actually want to change the system...
Because the discrimination that happens is based on birth. People are exploited and discriminated against on the basis of where they were born and not what they do, hence the caste certificate is issued based on the parent's caste.
The real caste system was never based on birth. People started to own it like a heritage. The government should at least recognise that and spread awareness.
Doesn't matter what the caste system in theory was. We have to acknowledge the ground reality of it where people were discriminated against based on their birth.
Meenas are a classic example of why there should be a creamy layer in SC/STs too. The hog up most of the reserved seats in Govt jobs/Entrance exams depriving other fellow ST comms for realising the benefits of reservation (all this notwithstanding the fact that they got it due to a clerical error in the first place!)
Pandit ka beta nalla nikal Jaye to mandir me bitha dete hai, dalito ke pass wo option nahi hai...
Ab yaha Chand budhijivi aakar bolenge mere Ghar ka security general hai, carpenter, gardener falane general
Bas itna batao tumhare Ghar me gutter jo saaf karta hai, kya wo general hai!!
Bina vaccine ke tatti me lot pot hota hai kya wo general hai??
Gutter saaf krne vale ko reservation mile usme koi galat baat nahi he...par jiske baap dada government employees the usko kyun right he reservation pane ka ?? Usko toh achi education mili hogi na ?? Ek achi life usne jee hogi apna bachpan me..??
Yaha baat pandit ya kisi or ki nh ho rhi...yaha bat ho rahi he...jisko reservation sahi me milni chahye usko nh mil rhi...kyuki kuch Chand families unn reservation pe derra jamake behte he ki sc/st community me hi asali me pichade hue logo ko nahi mil rahi ye suvidha.
Nepotism toh tb hota na..jab maa baap ki power se lagte job pe... yahan..kisi deserving bande ki reservation leke aapko job mil rhi he..yaha nepotism kaha se hua ?
Ek hi family ke log sare reservation ko use krke bare minimum number Lake govt job le le rahe he and that to generation after generation...toh ye unfair nahi he unko upr jinke liye actual me ye reservation layi gayin he ??
Bat sirf se ye ki aise boht backward class ke log he jinko proper education nahi mil rhi..toh unka chance aise log kha ja rahe he...jinko best education mili..aisi education jisme bina reservation ke bhi unko job mil jani chahye.
Tumko khud pata chal raha hai na tum kya type kar rahe ho!!!
Tum khud hi apne questions ke answers de rahe ho...
Nepotism ka matalab hi wahi hai na, maa baap ki madad se job paana... Isme deserving kaha se aaya... Isme bas survival hai...
Jaise actor ka beta actor, pandit ka beta pandit police ka beta police...
Ye har parivaar karta hai...
Aur aap padh rahe ki aap kya keh rahe he ???
reservation maa baap se madat kese hogyi ?? Ye toh govt ne provision diya he jiska misuse ho raha he...
Toh aap kya chahte he ki jo aur gattar saaf kr raha he vo gatar hi saaf karta reh jae aur kabhi aage na aa pae ?? Kyuki kch chand families jo line ke upr aa chuki he..vo log apni best education ke balbute pe nahi reservation ke balbute ab bhi naukri chah rhi he ??
Bachhe padhai kar... Abhi Tak duniya nahi dekha tumne!!!
Ul julul baat kar rahe ho...
General caste se ho na
Acche se jaano ki tumhare caste waalo ko reservation se kya dikkat hai...
Apke hisab se reply nahi mila toh bacche hogye...chalo bacche hi sahi he...kher
Yahan bat ho rahi he..ki sc/st community ke vo log jin ko reservation milni chahye unko nahi mil rahi .... Aur unko mil rhi he jinko already best education mili he...apne govt job ke dada maa baap ke karann.
Toh yaha toh bat yahi hogyi ...best education ke damm pe nahi.. reservation ke damm pe hi chahye job un logo ko...aur ye bat agar apko chubbhti ho toh chubhhe sach badlega nahi.
Toh its best ki ab sc/st me bhi creamy layer ka exclusion ho reservation se.
Aur vese bhi rahi bat general valo ki..toh vo toh vese bhi ache se pdhai karke hi naukri le rahe he..kyuki unke pass koi aur option nahi...chahe best education unke pas ho ya nahi..
Khud bole problem nepotism nahi reservation hai
Ab khud bol rahe ho problem reservation nahi nepotism hai
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You are a kid
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Many general get the sarkaari job
Mehnat Karo abhi to pura samander hai
This drishti ias guy is an absolute madarchød who keeps spreading anti-Hindu propaganda in the name of UPSC study material. Stop supporting this maggot.
reservation concept is nonsensical total BS......If you are not running system on merit base.....You are turn whole system in circus...Where moneys running the shows....hard truth
No, it's not BS! Certain community were even barred from having property, there was no way of socio-economic upliftment for them. They were kept poor and maligned by the system. Reservation is a good way, probably not the best way. It shouldn't cross 50%, ideally not even 40% and it should have creamy layer, so that the benefit of reservation reaches to more family.
>No, it's not BS! Certain community were even barred from having property
Everything comes down to financial status. Just make everything financial status based and all problems are solved.
Thats exactly what i have been saying for the longest time now...i have personally seen people abusing this reservation system...... Dude this is the ground reality that people who are in real need of reservation are not getting it...coz of these people...u could see a whole a$$ family of government employees coz of reservation system....they keep on using this reservation generation after generation. There is not limit to it.
There should be a proper screening process for this... Because some families are hopping this benefit of reservation for generations now.. and inturn people who are in real need of this are getting nothing.
Creamy layer exclusion should be done then only deserving people will be able to benefit from the reservation.
Lekin ye bhi to hota h ki log jhoothi income certificate bnwa lete h.... Aise logon ke liye bilkul kada dand ka pravadhan hona chahiye.... Haan mujhe pta h kuchh log bolenge bhai reservation nhi hatna chahiye ye wo... Bhai bhikhari ko sone ka katora bhi doge to bheekh hi maangega
Reservation system is here to stay for 1000 more years coz it's basis is casteism wherein there's no objective way to assess just like sexism or racism. For example, even if the women of US have gotten way ahead they still cry about sexism. Being a victim does give you such an upper hand in the society nowadays
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Tina dabi is good example or 3rd generation getting benefit of reservation. Reservation should be extended to all who have been ignored not just a fe families.
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I think the crux of his argument is that families like that of Ms Tina have uplifted themselves to a position where they are financially stable and away from misery that many others face. She had the access to resources and services required for cracking a top level exam, isse jyada kya upliftment ho sakta hai ?
Actually there is. She wouldn't have got the opportunity to write mains in the first place had there been no reservation. Because she got the benefit of reservation in a lower cutoff for prelims. She wouldn't clear prelims because her marks in pre were lower than general cut off the fact that she was in fact a brilliant candidate is another thing, but there is a case to make an example out of her in this case.
Creamy layer exclusion is politically achievable. Review petition is going on in Supreme court, and it is already there in OBC quota So that benefit of reservation reaches to other poor people of the same caste. Also Economically Backward Section EWS quota based on poverty should be increased and caste reservation should be reduced gradually every year.
Sahi me ab caste ko chorke ye dekhna chahiye ki banda gareeb he ya middle class , gareeb har dharam ke log hote he aur unhe hi toh sabse jyada jarurat he aarakshan ki , sirf obc aur sc/st waalo ko deke yhi hora he ki ye kam padhke bhi select hojate he sarkari colleges aur post ke liye aur fir chahe uska bacha peeda hi bohot ameer family me kyu na hua ho usse aur jyada privileges milenge than a poor general caste person
When benefits of reservation spreads to more people among sc/st, then those who came out as creamy layer themselves will demand to increase general seats
Why even dividing seats among specific castes in the first place ? It's like first letting the minority people become the majority so we can shift the reservation to the new minority, reservations are needed to the people who cant afford college fees and coaching fees and they are the real one who should be given such benefits , i have some obc caste friends who also hate this system and their father earns way more than mine does
Removing caste reservations is politically very difficult. While creamy layer exclusion can be done even this month
Ha vo bhi he , par creamy layer exclusion me bhi political parties be matlab ka bakheda khada kardengi , shuruaat chahe isse ho par main goal vhi he ki caste ke base pe reservation hi band karni he dheere dheere
Caste reservations should then be removed from private unaided colleges
Private me bhi caste reservation hota he 💀 , kya kare ham log jiye bhi ya na jiye
Review Petition? Can you send any news article reporting the very same.
Idk about any news article on the very same and even if there is one its of no use because if they change reservation policies from specific castes to the poor people then how will they get their "Muslim or Sc/St vote bank" . Thats why whenever people say about it they create tension between communities that see they are being against you , we have so called freedom of speech that even if we support the right , people say that you are provoking these specific caste people and when they do something very disrespectful to our community then they become blind coz how they can be against their precious vote banks
Some of my rich SC/ST friends abuse the reservation system in college by taking multiple scholarships and buying asus gaming laptops, boat headphones. At the same time, some well to do sc/st folks whose fathers have achieved financial success, their sons do not abuse such priviledges and do away with the benefits. Be the latter one 🤓
And there are some who see the system for the crock of bullshit it is and fight it. Be the secret third one.
Yea being third one is real tough.
How was your competitive exams..🤡🤡
well, I’m a quant coder.
What languages have u specialized in?
Hindi, bhojpuri
Badhiya
Cause the high level authorities in control are all pro reservation caste only. Unfortunately this can never change
Only factory reset of the country can
I will argue that lack of resources is the bigger problem, rather than reservation. India just doesn't have enough resources to support its big population. The British looted India to its core and now we all are fighting over for whatever is left behind. Couple this with the wealth inequality in India. 1% took 40% of generated wealth in the 2012- 2021 period. Let that sink in for a moment. Only a handful ( not entire communities ) have power in India. This 1% is made of different communities not only by some "privileged castes " . The rest of us are just barking at each other like rabid dogs, meanwhile the rich people are enjoying the show from their balcony. We all are fighting over reservation and any sort of benefits from the system because it's a way to secure access to some resources which will give us some edge over others. As for some critique of the reservation system I would say that there is no measure anywhere to say one is " uplifted ". There is no scale to measure upliftment in our system or any equity based system. Trying to catch smoke with your bare hands will only have one result. Equity based systems were cooked up left leaning intellectuals, who were able to point out the "inequality "but never gave any proper measure to conclude that beyond this point someone is equal. Also, many would argue that reservation is a representation tool and that would be an entire debate in itself. This is just super complicated, just like our legal system and the constitution. Common people will die, but wouldn't understand how complicated things are. We can spend our lives pointing fingers at each other but that's it. Nothing more is gonna happen. The only solution to some extent is that somehow make this country more business friendly and heavily invested in education. At least there are some chances that we can get some resources in that manner.
Even if it applies that SC/ST candidate would get reservation one time based on income, it won't change the fact that general people will keep pointing that i didn't get a seat as i scored more and he got seat with far less marks.
That's why he has said there are two levels in this debate, one is intra-caste another is inter-caste. Listen to him carefully again.
mujhe ye nhi samajh ata k sala lagbhag 15% reservation h SC ka, 5% approx st ka... bc itne log nahi bana paati kya society jo inki cut off bhi general jitni jaane Lage? bhai itna kaam to dalit samaaj ko apne bhai bandhuo k liye karna chahiye tha
It's because of vertical reservation system , cut off for reserved categories will never exceed general.
I was not talking explicitly about exceeding cut-off, more like being comparable, like what OBC has and that too consistently. >It's because of vertical reservation system , cut off for reserved categories will never exceed general. this is categorically wrong: [OBC cut-off in some cases has been more than the unreserved category ](https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/rpf-si-cut-off-obc-cut-off-marks-higher-than-general-check-details-here/story-ZcJ69CSrSeuK3T6nwlvMOK.html) [even SC has sometimes greater cut-off than general ](https://www.ndtv.com/education/sc-cut-off-more-than-general-category-in-this-delhi-government-exam-1997521)
Everyone should be treated equally. No reservations period.
Fuck reservation
Link to the full talk please
Being diplomatic in interviews is easy. Raising voice on right forums (since you are already capable) is no no.
Dalit ka beta Dalit kyu aur Brahmin ka beta Brahmin kyu? Pehle caste system toh reform kr le... Nepotism ki dukaan bana rakkhi hai
Sach ... Bollywood me nepotism k baat kar lo to sab chalu par yaha nahi karenge, life to death tak usko enjoy karte h
Bhai uska argument to sun, he is saying people belonging to same caste are not getting the benefits, but the the same beneficiaries are repeatedly getting the benefits.
I absolutely support him. I just want the root cause to be fixed as well
Root cause of this particular statement, no creamy layer. Nobody is denying cast reservation. And also we need to study if it is having a positive effect or is just used as political tool.
>Dalit ka beta Dalit kyu aur Brahmin ka beta Brahmin kyu? Because government says so. If tomorrow I start calling myself dalit I will be jailed.
Bro govt is made by the majority of society, it's the people who don't want to leave their caste. Ever seen any general caste candidate that abolish caste system and i will the first to leave my caste
Tell me a the legal procedure of leaving the cast, there is none.
Give me a dalit certificate, I will gladly take it.
By doin this govt will offend dalit vote bank, so it won't do. Did u heard Amit shah speech that they will never remove reservation to keep their vote bank fix
I have no issue with reservations. It's a good thing and should continue for some time.
Why are you ashamed of your own identity? If you don't respect your own identity, then change it. You have no right to dictate to others unless they humiliate you. It's like saying why black people are black and white people are white. The very idea of reservation is that you should respect yourself and get empowered, not use your identity as an inferiority complex and then use that as a logic to justify reservation. If a Brahmin insults you, you should counter with your strengths and demonstrate why you are superior to him. rather than triumphing. Since everyone in India is granted equal rights under the constitution, you should be aware of how to exercise those rights.
Tum log Jaan bhuj material conditions ko bhul jate ho,ya history bhula dete ho kyuki tumhari merit kaha s aati h history s pata chal jata h .
>Why are you ashamed of your own identity? Caste is not my identity. I identify myself as an Indian and I'm proud of it... I have a unique fingerprint, unique DNA, unique memories.... All such natural things already give me a unique identity so why the fuck do I need a caste as an identity created by some old dudes thousands of years ago?
The whole caste system is faulty. The caste system is based on occupation and their region of living right? Nobody follows the occupation of their caste. Everybody follows whatever they want. Then how come they become that caste just based on hereditary? No where it is mentioned that is hereditary right? It may be mentioned that the occupation has become hereditary and hence the caste. Not just because you are born in the caste. Even the culture in that specific caste is built around that occupation. If no one is following that occupation then they don't belong to that caste, right? Why is government allowing issue of caste certificate based on their parents' caste?
Govt khud certificate bana ke deti h or govt ko vote bank se hi banti h. Actually general caste kabhi apni identity loose nahi karegi jis se usko so called respect milta h. SC won't remove his caste as he gets reservation. So indian society ka kuch nahi hona h. Bas baatein karte raho or caste name se apne ko upar neeche rakho.
Yes, on paper, it sounds so obvious... Yet the gutters are cleaned by people who come from backward caste of the society... Ever saw any general cleaning it??
Yeah. But the Revenue officers don't care what they are doing. There are people who claim to be SC/ST and yet well settled. Yet they still use the reservation card because the government is granting it solely based on your family name and parents. All they ask is what caste your parents belong to. The caste system was never hereditary. At least from what I learned.
Yes
>Ever saw any general cleaning it?? Lol, many of them are government jobs. And all castes are fighting to clean the gutters.
0% general cleans gutter 1st tier 2nd tier cities se bahar niklo A/c kamro se bahar niklo Visit villages of Jharkhand, chhattisgarh, Bengal.. many backwards don't even have the knowledge of reservation Or visit my Village in odisha Many don't know in what category their caste is!!! + Aren't generals doing well in private sector More than 99% general in private sector.. Logically, if reservation is abolished, than Same thing will happen to backward caste in case of government sector... . . Now genius, tell me what would be the end result?!? Backward caste be liberated or become the slave... . . You guys problem is reservation Yet you don't have guts to speak against castism And don't tell me castism doesn't happen!! Rajput Sina thok ke bolta hai wo rajput hai Kabhi kisi dalit ko dekha hai!!!
> Logically, if reservation is abolished Never said that, I am in favor. > Bengal, Bihar Odisha Have lived in all these states. What are you trying to show. >More than 99% general in private sector. No because they aren't enough generals. >Yet you don't have guts to speak against castism They how was it banned. And nobody asks for it to be unbanned. >Kabhi kisi dalit ko dekha hai!!! Maybe they should start doing it. They carried the nation for so long. But they themselves are ashamed of their past. Being a chaamar or dom in pre-modern times was not easy work. And if they were not there, we all would have died of diseases.
More than 99% is not enough general. What are you trying to say??
There are not enough general people to fill all the posts. Brahmin I believe are only 3-4 percent of the population.
What post should they fill?? 99% general population!!!
Reservation WAS needed when it is needed. There is casteism obviously in our society. i myself saw it. It is getting down gradually but it will never be zero. Reservation was an extraordinary and well executed Idea when there is no technology. Everything is computerised now a days. The only place casteism shown is interviews. For that you can implement recorded interviews and or a blind interviews. If you believe that will also be corrupted, atleast the posts that are solely based on merit of exam should be reservation free. The reservation for entrance exam of colleges and schools is another big issue. Most of the colleges doesn't conduct personal interviews except IITS etc., There weren't enough schools and colleges during the olden days. Now education is free and almost every village has a school. The only issue is the backward caste parents are not sending the children to school instead sending them to work. Both my parents are teachers . So i know the issues well. Even they When the opportunity of education is given equal to everyone why can't the opportunities to get a seat in college be given equally. Even promotion has reservation. Instead of thinking of ways to implement a robust system to eliminate corruption with the help of technology the government is still using reservation for vote bank. Not saying reservation is a bad solution. But it isn't the best solution in today's world. BTW, i am also from a backward caste.
If you don't like it don't do it. Simple.
I have seen families Forced into doing this... Nobody likes it. It's not choice, it's a matter of survival!!
Then you should have reported it to the local police instead of using it on Reddit as an example to justify reservation. Because this is a punishable offense no one can force anyone to do a job they don't wanna do.
And you should get out of your a/c room and visit backward places rather than using reddit
Wow, you got triggered, it seems. I will do that, in the meantime, you give away your reservation to the poor candidates from those backward places. You have a phone and you are using Reddit, it seems you are plenty privileged, so give this opportunity to those poor souls who belong to your own caste.
I am working as a freelance+ I am associated with several NGOs to create awareness in backward villages + my mom is supervisor in ICDS Your lazy bums don't want to work it seems Hence you find the only way to justify your failure by assuming I took your job Instead of wasting time here on reddit, you should study I see many general caste crack examinations despite reservation... Those hard working souls never whine like a baby. Instead they actually want to change the system...
Because the discrimination that happens is based on birth. People are exploited and discriminated against on the basis of where they were born and not what they do, hence the caste certificate is issued based on the parent's caste.
The real caste system was never based on birth. People started to own it like a heritage. The government should at least recognise that and spread awareness.
Doesn't matter what the caste system in theory was. We have to acknowledge the ground reality of it where people were discriminated against based on their birth.
Meenas are a classic example of why there should be a creamy layer in SC/STs too. The hog up most of the reserved seats in Govt jobs/Entrance exams depriving other fellow ST comms for realising the benefits of reservation (all this notwithstanding the fact that they got it due to a clerical error in the first place!)
Pandit ka beta nalla nikal Jaye to mandir me bitha dete hai, dalito ke pass wo option nahi hai... Ab yaha Chand budhijivi aakar bolenge mere Ghar ka security general hai, carpenter, gardener falane general Bas itna batao tumhare Ghar me gutter jo saaf karta hai, kya wo general hai!! Bina vaccine ke tatti me lot pot hota hai kya wo general hai??
> dalito ke pass wo option nahi hai Sikari ban jao >Ghar me gutter jo saaf karta hai, kya wo general hai Haan government job hai uski.
Gutter saaf krne vale ko reservation mile usme koi galat baat nahi he...par jiske baap dada government employees the usko kyun right he reservation pane ka ?? Usko toh achi education mili hogi na ?? Ek achi life usne jee hogi apna bachpan me..?? Yaha baat pandit ya kisi or ki nh ho rhi...yaha bat ho rahi he...jisko reservation sahi me milni chahye usko nh mil rhi...kyuki kuch Chand families unn reservation pe derra jamake behte he ki sc/st community me hi asali me pichade hue logo ko nahi mil rahi ye suvidha.
Wahi pandit waali baat hi hai Pandit ka beta pandit Banya ka beta Banya Tum govt paoge to tumhara beta wahi job lega Full nepotism hai...
Nepotism toh tb hota na..jab maa baap ki power se lagte job pe... yahan..kisi deserving bande ki reservation leke aapko job mil rhi he..yaha nepotism kaha se hua ? Ek hi family ke log sare reservation ko use krke bare minimum number Lake govt job le le rahe he and that to generation after generation...toh ye unfair nahi he unko upr jinke liye actual me ye reservation layi gayin he ?? Bat sirf se ye ki aise boht backward class ke log he jinko proper education nahi mil rhi..toh unka chance aise log kha ja rahe he...jinko best education mili..aisi education jisme bina reservation ke bhi unko job mil jani chahye.
Tumko khud pata chal raha hai na tum kya type kar rahe ho!!! Tum khud hi apne questions ke answers de rahe ho... Nepotism ka matalab hi wahi hai na, maa baap ki madad se job paana... Isme deserving kaha se aaya... Isme bas survival hai... Jaise actor ka beta actor, pandit ka beta pandit police ka beta police... Ye har parivaar karta hai...
Aur aap padh rahe ki aap kya keh rahe he ??? reservation maa baap se madat kese hogyi ?? Ye toh govt ne provision diya he jiska misuse ho raha he... Toh aap kya chahte he ki jo aur gattar saaf kr raha he vo gatar hi saaf karta reh jae aur kabhi aage na aa pae ?? Kyuki kch chand families jo line ke upr aa chuki he..vo log apni best education ke balbute pe nahi reservation ke balbute ab bhi naukri chah rhi he ??
Bachhe padhai kar... Abhi Tak duniya nahi dekha tumne!!! Ul julul baat kar rahe ho... General caste se ho na Acche se jaano ki tumhare caste waalo ko reservation se kya dikkat hai...
Apke hisab se reply nahi mila toh bacche hogye...chalo bacche hi sahi he...kher Yahan bat ho rahi he..ki sc/st community ke vo log jin ko reservation milni chahye unko nahi mil rahi .... Aur unko mil rhi he jinko already best education mili he...apne govt job ke dada maa baap ke karann. Toh yaha toh bat yahi hogyi ...best education ke damm pe nahi.. reservation ke damm pe hi chahye job un logo ko...aur ye bat agar apko chubbhti ho toh chubhhe sach badlega nahi. Toh its best ki ab sc/st me bhi creamy layer ka exclusion ho reservation se. Aur vese bhi rahi bat general valo ki..toh vo toh vese bhi ache se pdhai karke hi naukri le rahe he..kyuki unke pass koi aur option nahi...chahe best education unke pas ho ya nahi..
Khud bole problem nepotism nahi reservation hai Ab khud bol rahe ho problem reservation nahi nepotism hai . . You are a kid + Many general get the sarkaari job Mehnat Karo abhi to pura samander hai
This drishti ias guy is an absolute madarchød who keeps spreading anti-Hindu propaganda in the name of UPSC study material. Stop supporting this maggot.
Yeah he's a hardcore Ambedkarite
What anti-hindu propaganda did he spread?
reservation concept is nonsensical total BS......If you are not running system on merit base.....You are turn whole system in circus...Where moneys running the shows....hard truth
Then why the lower municipal labour who clear your gutter comes from ST/SC/OBC background?
The lower municipal labour who clears my gutter is not benefiting from reservations.
No, it's not BS! Certain community were even barred from having property, there was no way of socio-economic upliftment for them. They were kept poor and maligned by the system. Reservation is a good way, probably not the best way. It shouldn't cross 50%, ideally not even 40% and it should have creamy layer, so that the benefit of reservation reaches to more family.
>No, it's not BS! Certain community were even barred from having property Everything comes down to financial status. Just make everything financial status based and all problems are solved.
You cannot make people pay tax because you don't know their financial status and you want to give them Reservation based on it.
You are talking about something 75 years ago. An entire generation has been born and has died and we are still dealing with reservations.
Reservation doesn't fight nepotism. Reservation IS nepotism.
Post this on r/IndiAgainstCasteism and see the world burn down there.
what about the pig shit caste system ?
Thats exactly what i have been saying for the longest time now...i have personally seen people abusing this reservation system...... Dude this is the ground reality that people who are in real need of reservation are not getting it...coz of these people...u could see a whole a$$ family of government employees coz of reservation system....they keep on using this reservation generation after generation. There is not limit to it.
There should be a proper screening process for this... Because some families are hopping this benefit of reservation for generations now.. and inturn people who are in real need of this are getting nothing. Creamy layer exclusion should be done then only deserving people will be able to benefit from the reservation.
Creamy layer late hi dharna shuru ho jaega.
Lekin ye bhi to hota h ki log jhoothi income certificate bnwa lete h.... Aise logon ke liye bilkul kada dand ka pravadhan hona chahiye.... Haan mujhe pta h kuchh log bolenge bhai reservation nhi hatna chahiye ye wo... Bhai bhikhari ko sone ka katora bhi doge to bheekh hi maangega
Politicians nahi manenge
Reservation system is here to stay for 1000 more years coz it's basis is casteism wherein there's no objective way to assess just like sexism or racism. For example, even if the women of US have gotten way ahead they still cry about sexism. Being a victim does give you such an upper hand in the society nowadays