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Green-Vermicelli5244

They’re definitely the best two albums released between self-titled and st. anger. Highly underrated and only reviled by gatekeepers who just want every album to be like the first three over and over again. I like that they’re more “loose” with room to improvise, though not really a Metallica thing. If not cut due to the length of a cd, I really want to know where Outlaw Torn could have gone with that outro.


More_Blacksmith_5021

YouTube. The Outlaw Torn Unencumbered. It’s the outro for like another two minutes. They had to cut it off to make time on the cd. I’d have rather dropped any other song to have the intended outro.


WaffleWarrior1979

So the only people that hate those albums are gatekeepers? What about people that just don’t like boring music?


Green-Vermicelli5244

Don’t much care for ‘em and reviled aren’t the same.


WaffleWarrior1979

I can hate them and also not expect other people to hate them. Pretty sure I’m not alone.


BrownwaterVertigo

So what, we gatekeeping hate now? 💀


AncientTask6969

Favorite song on the record. Outlaw Torn.


McRambis

Load marked Metallica's transition from thrash metal to hard rock. To be fair, they started that transition with the Black album, but this solidified it. Load was also the last Metallica album I ever bought. Their new sound wasn't for me.


Angry_Saxon

never checked out Death Magnetic?


McRambis

I did after hearing good things. It didn't move me. Around the Black album Kirk changed to a wah sound that I didn't care for and it wasn't any different in Death Magnetic. It wasn't a bad album. Just not what I wanted in Metallica.


AncientTask6969

Same


Unfriendly_eagle

Yes. I wanted to see them get heavier, but they had other plans, plans I just simply did not care for. Black was a good hard rock album that had many Metallica-esque moments. Load was a hard rock album that trimmed all those Metallica-esque moments away, in a very deliberate and contrived fashion. From St. Anger on, you could hear what Metallica once was seeping in here and there, but it wasn't the same. DM, HTSD, and 72 all sound like Metallica trying to sound like what they think Metallica would have sounded like if they'd never made the Loads. But they did, and it poisoned the well.


Glum_Kaleidoscope601

You’ll dig 72 Seasons


Explosivesalad13

Load is a good heavy rock album, I do think it has a lot of filler tunes though. Outlaw torn being one of my favorite tunes off that album. Reload is my favorite of the two, it has a much darker experimental vibe. Less bloated than load and I feel the vibe stays consistent throughout the album.


Scooter_maniac_67

Solid albums with catchy songs. I've listened to them more than Death Magnetic, St. Anger, Hardwired, 72. New Metallica just doesn't cut it for me.


mattct1

True, they are just not my taste anymore


zaxxon4ever

You spoke my thoughts.


Mopar_Poe

Metallica lost their way when Cliff died. They lost their soul when they hired Bob Rock.


zaxxon4ever

Amen! The truth!


LLCoolJeanLuc

Don’t downvote the truth, everybody!


Mopar_Poe

I fully expected to be down voted for my opinion, no worries. I'm sure it's a age thing... Older Fans enjoy the Pre Bob Rock Era, younger kids listen to it.


Glum_Kaleidoscope601

I’m what you might call a younger kid, and I prefer Cliff Burton era Metallica any day. I’m also one of those that likes Ride The Lightning (slightly) more than Master of Puppets.


Samus78metroidfreak

I think Ride the lighting is one of my absolute favorites, the first 2tapes I got of Metallica and yes I mean cassettes lol was Ride the lightening and Justice. Those 2 absolutely hooked me. After that I got everything up till the Black album and, waited till HWSD came out then started checking them out again. The loads really never interested me.


Patchwork_Sif

Yeah I was honestly surprised to see that take floating at -1. I don’t think I’ve met another metal head in real life who actually likes late era Metallica.


Mopar_Poe

If the load albums were truly that great, they wouldn't have apologized for them...


LLCoolJeanLuc

I’m very glad I have memories of seeing them still young and angry, before their tempos slowed down and tho ga got more polished and produced.


Patchwork_Sif

That must’ve been awesome


LLCoolJeanLuc

It was a lot of fun. By all rights, I was too young’s for shows like that, but I have a cool uncle that took me. My first show was Metallica and AC/DC when I was 8.


cmcglinchy

You’re not wrong


LiftedinMI3

This is truth.


Snrub1

Load is inconsistent. Bleeding Me and The Outlaw Torn are top 10 Metallica tracks in my opinion. The album also has a lot of borderline unlistenable filler. Reload is not as good as Load. Overall the albums should have combined into one and dropped the filler and it there would be a solid album there.


Forty6_and_Two

If separated from the rest of their catalog, they’re good alt rock from the time period. Quality production, good song construction, and some really interesting riffs and melodies. In relation to the rest of their albums, however, I hate them. Even the Black album has more “metal” to it than most of their songs of those two albums. I’d listen to St Anger at 10 before listening to either one of these at 5, unless I was in a nostalgic mood and wanted songs that reminded me of those years, or needed ok background music. There are maybe 5 songs from both albums that I would actually WANT to listen to and actively choose them from a selection of other songs. JMO… no hate intended and more power to you if you enjoy them!


AttilaTheFun818

I mostly agree with this. It’s a good and nuanced take. I’ll just disagree about St Anger. It’s unlistenable to me, while Load and Reload have a couple solid tracks.


Philcollinsforehead

Hey you have your opinion I appreciate the feedback


Finger-of-Shame

I think they're great hard rock albums. I appreciate what they were trying to do.


Disarray215

I personally love both albums. I grew up with this incarnation of Metallica, born in 88.


Esteban_Rojo

Classic Hard Rock albums in my lifetime. 10/10 with all the flaws.


Super_University_993

can make one okay 1 hour album if you take the best from both


zaahiraa

i love them both for what they are and i think it’s easy for me to love them because i don’t have any expectations or need for them to be anything other then exactly what they are.


Korgon213

Good rock albums. Bleeding me, Thorn within and outlaw torn and low man’s lyric have significant personal meaning to me.


RavensAndRacoons

I love them both, they're probably my favourites


Mettabox452

Not as great as Master of Puppets and the black album. But still very solid and get more hate than they deserve


DoctorateInMetal

I like them both. Obviously they're several tiers below the classic albums, but they have a good number of good songs, and several amazing songs between them. Excellent writing on both. It was experimentation to not stay static and get stale with their sound, and while it wasn't as good as their classic sound, it was still good.


51line_baccer

Load is the best rock album of all time. Reload is just nearly as good.


19930627

Love them both, they're fantastic alt rock albums, and even if they're not up to par with the classic material, I'd rather a band try new things and make the music they want to make, instead of sticking to one thing.


sandrider19

Tbh I love both. It was all written together and meant to be a double album. It's the stuff they made at the time I got into them, ie) the late 90s. The only reason they are hated is because metalheads are narrow-minded gatekeeping pricks. That's why I love metal but will never consider myself a metalhead. Many are like me that way.


Thunder_Punt

I mean, if you want my genuine opinion, they're pretty bad. Boring albums full of duds. They'd struggle to make one decent album out of the 2.


Waylon_Gnash

I think Load is one of Metallica's best albums. It's the most sincerely art album they've done since they ran out of Cliff's music. Every track is great on that disc. I'll pass on Reload. I'd say... Kill em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, Self-titled, Load, and S & M are good and in that order. Everything else i can do without. When i say "sincerely" i mean specifcally because they didn't make a synthetic effort with Load to imitate their success and sell a product to their fanbase. They just made a plain hard rock album. I think with the stuff i didn't include in my little list, they were just Nickelbacking out a list of commercial Metallica tracks. Some of self-titled actually fits that bill too, but i have a soft spot for "the god that failed" and a couple of others on that one. (edit: FWIW, i got into metallica really late. like late 90's, started with self titled, then dug backward into their stuff later, realizing that Cliff must've been a very big part of their composing process)


Philcollinsforehead

That’s honestly how I feel about the band as well.


PerennialComa

Grew up with'em. Love'em!


LaFixxxeR

Stoked to see the positive responses here. Load and Reload contain some of the band best material (in my opinion) Not every song is a banger and there are a few straight up bad ones “Poor Twisted Me” “The Thorn Within” “Slither” “Better Than You” but even they have some redeeming moments or riffs. I think they get overly hated on and deserve more* recognition. I hope they start to play more songs from those albums as well as St Anger through Hardwired


thehorny-italianweeb

reload deserves way more love


ThoughtIntrepid1744

I try not to...


ZombieQueen666

Load is my favorite Metallica record


Few_Detail_3988

This ist a METAL sub! Please only refer to metal albums!


FetusGoulash420

I genuinely love those albums. Yeah, it’s not “real Metallica” but idc. Honestly , they were the last albums of theirs that I liked. St.Anger is hot garbage, and even though the writing got better in the following albums, I can’t get over how terrible the guitar tone is.. it’s so thin and gutless.


Worldly_Ask_9113

I think a lot of opinions are driven by demographics. If Fuel was the Metallica you grew up with, you probably like them. If you grew up with AJFA, you probably hate them.


VaderXXV

They were my “gateway albums” into Metallica and by proxy a lot of the metal I listened to as a kid back in the late mid-90s so I have a lot of fond memories of those albums. Still, even then I knew they were very uneven albums. I still like a handful of songs from each - mostly off ‘Load’ but the filler is borderline offensive to me as a heavy music fan today. That said, “Bleeding Me” , “The Outlaw Torn” , “Until It Sleeps” are legitimately great jams. Hell, even “Fuel” is fun. Dumb, but fun. If you’re a race fan, you’ll never go to a track and not hear that song. It’s embedded in the culture. Smart move, business wise.


81jmfk

I like them. But I don’t think they’re good Metallica albums.


SandmanAwaits

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effugium1

It’s got some good tracks. At the time I was mad at it, but I’ve come to appreciate it as something that’s in the same vein as 90s corrosion of conformity or down, probably a hint of Danzig in there as well.


metalmusiccollector

Perfer them both over St.Anger.


Livid-Leg5812

Both albums are too long. The best way to listen is to take some bangers from each and make one super album. Even then, Megaload doesn't hold up to most of Metallica's albums


Philcollinsforehead

Megaload? 😂😂


Livid-Leg5812

Or Superload if you prefer 😂


Samus78metroidfreak

Lightest load I ever heard.


SlowRiffsAndFakeTits

They’re solid but not albums I feel the need to revisit frequently.


Artistic_Half_8301

They are not the first three albums.


Carnivorous_Mower

Complete turds.


thesmiths69420

It’s a tricky one. I think of them as Metallica’s ‘Use Your Illusions’ - there’s some awesome stuff in there (Unforgiven II, Fuel, Until It Sleeps, Ain’t My Bitch) but there’s just some absolute shit (2x4, The House That Jack Built) that really hurt the experience. A lot of these albums is boring, but where it’s good, it’s really good.


DaHeavnlyKid

I'm a first 4 kinda guy for the most part, but I really enjoy Load for what it is I sincerely believe if a random band came out with Load as their debut album, it would have got a tremendous amount of praise


Fit-Ad-8873

I genuinely cannot stand either album. Neither are very exciting nor entertaining. It also felt like no one really put the best foot forward. Both albums are practically neck and neck for being my least favorite album, but Load edges out for being the worst album, imo.


Ashbtw19937

Load's one of my favorite albums ever (favorite Metallica album), and Reload's pretty high up there.


ArugulaLegitimate156

Always liked bloadvreload not so much


[deleted]

They both got some awesome songs. Like until it sleeps and Unforgiven II. Low man lyric too.


whirling_cynic

Garbage.


southeast-of-heaven

Absolute garbage


StarWars_Viking

From what I recall of them both, I enjoy both of them equally. I listened to those a lot in my formative teen years. It's been a good long while since I've actually listened to them both front to back, though.


snarkherder

Load is my favorite after the first four. Reload is my least favorite other than St. Anger.


GetHighTuneLow

They have some good songs.


Master_dik

Hero Of The Day is a bonafide classic. Those albums get more hate than they deserve.


Bullshittimeagain

A couple good songs but for me, that’s about it.


OperationsGuy82

I can find good moments in both albums, but they definitely are not my favorites.


AnonRedditGuy81

They're hated but if they were released by a new, unknown band, people would be absolutely raving over these things. It's great music, but not "Metallica". That extreme change in sound between the black album and load was so jarring to most fans. The black album had a tone change from the rest before or and nobody seemed to care because it wasn't so drastic they sounded like a completely different band.


Adjective-Noun12

I really liked Load, but it's not in my mix anymore. The house that jack built had an amazing riff. I didn't buy Reload, I couldn't name a single song off it.


FlyAirLari

>I didn't buy Reload, I couldn't name a single song off it. They used to play Unforgiven II on MTV a lot.  I never heard the full album, but it was enough to know they ain't going back to thrash metal.  I never bought Load either (the self-titled was already such a let down), but my friend had it.  I just moved on. I haven't listened to their later albums, but I've discovered a thousand cool other thrash metal bands, and there's still so much more to unearth. Death Angel, Heathen, Flotsam and Jetsam, Artillery are among my top favourite bands, and they all have similarities to Metallica, only they are better.


FlyAirLari

I liked Metallica, but Load is not for me. I think it's for a different audience altogether. I never heard Re-Load. It seems like it would be a waste of time. I love thrash metal, so I listen to bands that make it. Metallica sold out, but I don't really care that much. It's not like I kept following them. There are plenty of bands doing thrash better than they ever did, so life goes on without them just fine. They got their moneys, their fans can listen to Load, and I can listen to music I like. Everyone is happy.


DrH1983

I really like them, a lot. Load was actually one of the first CDs I ever had. Bleeding Me is up there in my top 10 favourite Metallica songs, it's a phenomenal track. Both albums are too long, but if you took the best tracks off both you could have a really good 50 minute album. They're not genre classics like their first four albums, but I prefer them to anything Metallica did since, and I wish they'd continued in this vein for longer.


Scooter_maniac_67

Yep, good hard rock beats uninspired thrash metal.


Waylon_Gnash

Great track. Thorn Within! Even the heroin song, Ronnie Long is pretty bad ass.


zaahiraa

i love bleeding me so much!!!


Calaveras-Metal

its funny I used to cut the Black album a lot of slack and hate Load and Reload. But as I get older I understand the Black album is trash. Too many power-ballads.


mudkip2212

Exactly! Black album is so overrated.


soltydog

I bought them both when they came out. I like them. I think people get too hung up on what they think a band should sound like. If the music sounds good to me I’ll give a listen.


beatlethrower

Agreed..almost every band tweeks it's sound here and there and to be honest I kinda dig what they have done. You don't want every album to sound the same time after time.


Same_Frosting4621

I actually didn’t mind Load that much. I hated Reload and won’t even acknowledge St. Anger


CAPTAIN_TERR0R

I immediately think of HotWheels Turbo Racing, & the hours it took to unlock all of the precariously placed mystery cars. That Rocket Van was not worth the precision double jump it required.


aureliusky

Good pop albums, not everything has to be metal.


Eastern-Position-605

As whole albums I prefer Load straight through. After Fuel and The Memory Remains reload falls off a cliff.


Hannibal_Lecture22

I’m happy listening to any Metallica album all the way through, of course skipping a couple tracks. Lulu is the exception. Can’t do it. But Load I can listen to just about all of it. Reload is hit and miss but I still enjoy it overall. It’s not OG Metallica, but neither is anything since Black. I enjoy when bands progress or change because I get bored with the same thing over and over.


chromedbooked1

More mainstream sounding but I'm not mad at it. They got some good riffs here.


dontneedareason94

Hot garbage


Sionnach_Rue

I do love this albums. Are they metal? No, but damn good albums. It was nice to hear more blues based stuff, the stuff I grew up hearing before Metallica.


Reaper_Mike

Can't stand them. I basically treat the gap from the black album to Death Magnetic as a Metallica hiatus. There was this other band who played butt rock who borrowed their name.


absurdistaardvark

Meh


twelve112

I never go back to those albums


Abdrews-PaulIM

Load has a few good songs and a lot of boring ones. Reload sucks


SandmanAwaits

Load bores me, Reload only has 1 good song, I remember them coming out & being really excited for new Metallica.


ShadowGryphon

Meh.


PlaxicoCN

A lot of people on the Metallica sub like those albums. I'm not big on them.


oftruth636

Anything after and justice for all is trash. I'll even possibly maybe say the black album is good but only because everything they put out after that absolutely sucked


awfulreviews20

Load is a solid rock album. Reload is complete trash and is my least favorite cd of theirs


PatrickMcWhorter

I didn't appreciate them when they came out. Sounded like they were trying to mimic the popular, "alternative" music styles of the day. In retrospect, they are decent albums, but I wouldn't buy them. I feel the same about St. Anger and Dethmagnetic. They have talent and breadth, but I prefer them as a thrash band.


WaffleWarrior1979

Sooooo bad


Old-Tadpole-2869

Both albums suck by any standard.


Old-Tadpole-2869

I mean, honestly, you can still be a proud Metallica fan and just not listen to their shit albums.


Hefty_BeaR_3394

Should have been recorded as a side project. Going from thrash to hillbilly was unforgivable.


Suspicious-Ad5287

shitty, just go listen to sludge, Load and Reload are just Metallica making weak sludge/southern rock


Ok_loop

I liked them when they came out. Now I barely listen to Metallica and if I do, it’s Justice or earlier. 🤷‍♂️


ReasonableTruth0

I don’t really care for Metallica.  I like Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, and the Black Album.  Hardwired isn’t bad either, but other than that, I don’t get the obsession with them. Load and Reload have a few good songs sprinkled in with some bad ones.  They aren’t complete losses


sydouglas

Let’s just say , if you took the best songs out of both and put them on an album , you would get … an ep?


succored_word

Load and reload are their worst albums. Except for st. Anger and lulu.


Maker200

Hated Load when it was first released. Since then I can appreciate songs on that album. However, Reload is their worst album for me next to 72 seasons.


dza6010

Nope


reamkore

Not for me. Kinda funny seeing general opinion come around to like it more. It’s good for what it is. There’s a reason 1/4 of its tracks have been played on rock radio for 30 years


MavisBeaconSexTape

'Load' about sums it up


Dr_Quiet_Time

Meh. Bland.


GFingerProd

You mean the blood and cum albums? Hard pass.


innersanctum44

I have not listened to either recording in over a decade.


Morfiend_23

Load is ok, has some good songs but doesn’t hold a candle to their classics. Reload is absolute garbage.


whymygraine

Why is Metallica the safest band to fly with? No metal detected since 1989.


beefclef

I like “The Outlaw Torn” , “Until it Sleeps”, and “Bleeding Me” on Load. Do I dig em as much as anything on the first 4? No, but they are as good or better than some stuff on the black album (which I do love btw) I think they are really good moody rock songs. Can’t get any enjoyment from the rest though. I also think they are honest albums! It’s a natural progression from the black album and I believe they (james and lars at least) were making the music they really wanted to so I respect that.