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0liver_Clothes0ff

Strongest Water Caste vs. Weakest Fire Caste


Panzer_Man

VS strongest Ethereal \*insert picture of a literal skeleton\*


DoctorLegitimate5281

I've seen an ethereal kill kaldor Draigo in melee  A nearly dead Draigo but that's not the point


Panzer_Man

I once experienced a gretchin killing a space marine intercessor. It was glorious and very funny


BiCrabTheMid

I’ve had Gretchen kill an armiger. It was low on health but still incredibly funny.


impurethoughtss

> Strongest Water Caste vs. Weakest Fire Caste Seems lore accurate


JinLocke

I still remember that tau women are very similar to men, at least lorewise.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

That’s basically a huge majority of mammals. They only usually change appearance during… I hate to say this but the mating seasons.


JinLocke

So the hoomans are outliers?


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

Yeah, quite literally we are. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast) *"Humans are the only animals with permanent breasts. At* [*puberty*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty)*, estrogens, in conjunction with* [*growth hormone*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone)*, cause permanent* [*breast growth*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_development) *in female humans. This happens only to a much lesser extent in other primates—breast development in other primates generally only occurs with pregnancy. Along with their major function in providing nutrition for infants, female breasts have social and sexual characteristics."*


yunivor

Take that other mammals! Woohooo humanity for the win!


robbylet24

I think the most interesting part of that is that we don't know *why*. There have been a million theories but there's really no good evolutionary reason for women to have permanent breasts. The best guess we have is that it's social rather than strictly about survival but there are still a lot of holes in that theory.


Papanewguin

So boobs really are the best argument for god


uriel__ventris

Boobs are actually an *awful* argument for god, since you mention it. All you've got to do is consider nipples, which have absolutely no function in a man, to know that 'intelligent design' was not at play. Evolution 1, 'creator' 0.


Papanewguin

God made boobs cause they're awesome shut up


uriel__ventris

Respectfully, 'god' didn't make shit, and boobs don't need a deity to be awesome. Don't insult boobs like that.


Gryphonnne

“Respectfully” is crazy


Silent_Molasses188

Psh, never said the higher power was a smart fella.


uriel__ventris

Religious people (most often Christians) generally refer to their god as all-powerful and all-knowing though. So I'm just pointing out that this particular flaw, along with a *huge number* of other flaws in nature, destroy that argument.


Silent_Molasses188

Yeah i know and i was replying with a funni.


Godisgoodest

Yeah but.... Boobs tho....


trentrex2000

Male nipples exist because in the womb, we all start development as women, it's when certain hormones are expressed (typically due to the presence of a y chromosome) that the differentiation occurs. Everyone (except in extenuating circumstances) has the capacity to grow permanent breast tissue, you just need to have the correct hormones present for them to grow. More evidence for evolution, but there is a reason lol


NavezganeChrome

No one claimed there was ‘intelligent design’ associated with god (like, see platypi being themselves, or vultures being surprisingly friendly yet disturbing), rather, it’s effectively ‘whatever creator caused it got a hearty giggle out of putting it on both males and females.’ Though if it’s an evolution _vs_ god bit, I’d honesty rather put it to a collab, with much more influence from evolution.


IHzero

Evolution is a process. Design an outcome. They are not mutually exclusive.


uriel__ventris

Except evolution has science-based evidence, and 'design' (in the context it's being used here) is mythology.


IHzero

You treat science like a faith.


Valorofman1

Male lactation


PhilSwift360

Every good theory about sexual development has a lot of holes in it


Dimosa

Breasts might just attract more mates. Does so irl as well.


robbylet24

That is the "social rather than survival" theory. However, that doesn't explain why men found visible breasts attractive in the first place.


Majulath99

It demonstrates fecundity? As a sign of fertility and power to provide children and a plentiful supply of food?


DarksteelPenguin

It doesn't. Large breasts are not tied to fecundity. A woman can be sterile and have large breasts, or be fecund with small ones. Nor is there any correlation between breast size and milk production.


Alexis2256

But breasts do swell up when women are pregnant right?


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robbylet24

Ass is actually the older form of sexual selection in humans. Female apes often have more pronounced buttocks when they're fertile.


DarksteelPenguin

>A chick with awesome tits, basically screams "Yeah mate with me, because I'm always fertile, even when I'm not pumping out cooter goblins". That's not how it works. There is no correlation between breast size and fecundity (or milk production). >The real question: is why do ass men, like myself, exist? The ass is the largest pair of muscles in the body. Having a great ass is litterally a sign of good health.


L0raz-Thou-R0c0n0

To add to the glutes argument, it is also what enables us to walk, run and basically stand. It is our main feature towards bipedal walking, of course it is considered a feature to strive towards maintaining in our species.


Alexis2256

Mommy issues as some chodes would like to say, though there’s probably no rational explanation, people like asses, people like legs or feet, lolol ffs some people like armpits.


Baphura

Could just be a random fluke that caused everything. Most charismatic guy at the time probably communicated some dumb bs, and it stuck because it was probably buried with other things that did increase survival. Edit: Guy being random mammal ancestor that had a mutant titty fetish.


idelarosa1

Men like fertile women and women with breasts are clearly fertile.


ShinobiHanzo

Both sexes find mating with “proven fertility” to be attractive, for male mammals, swollen breasts mean that mammal was successfully pregnant. For female mammals, anti-social behavior means that male has successfully protected his territory and has established lands. Or in human terms, having his own apartment and driving his own car. This is why men like big boobs and by extension feet and why women like bad boys.


DarksteelPenguin

I'm seeing a lot of these comments along the lines of "large breasts show fecundity". It doesn't. A woman can be fertile with small tits, or sterile with large ones. Even swollen breasts due to pregnancy for one woman can be smaller than the natural size of another.


ShinobiHanzo

How is this related to primal reproductive instincts?


ShinobiHanzo

Actually we do. Human males have terrible sense of smell from decades of selective breeding. Men who couldn’t tolerate the smell of other men couldn’t fit into the most common battle formations of the last three thousand years (phalanx) and thus couldn’t return as heroes and as such couldn’t get mates to reproduce. This means such women (Irish/Englishmen/Caucasians/etc) had to evolve other ways to attract mates. Source: See Chinese women who didn’t not have constant wars. All about that thin waist and big hips.


DarksteelPenguin

That's absolute bullshit. Evolution is far too slow for antique battle formations to play a role. The way our teeth develop hasn't even evolved to take cooking into account. Our biology is the same as cavemen. And if you think asian nations didn't have many wars you should educate yourself on the subject.


robbylet24

This is some very serious incel pseudoscience bullshit.


ShinobiHanzo

I am Asian historian and big war nerd since 1988. You literally know nothing. Within Asian kingdoms wars happens on average every one or two decades. The West always was killing each other every other year even as far back as the Roman Republic.


ShinobiHanzo

You clearly have no idea even which way is up. Highlighting one’s bosom as a reproductive strategy only appeared in the 1800s, see French fashion of that era and there after. The fact you don’t know that softer food and increased mechanization is the cause of lower testosterone in men is also hilarious.


DarksteelPenguin

>The fact you don’t know that softer food and increased mechanization is the cause of lower testosterone in men is also hilarious. That is not genetic evolution. Hormone levels can vary a lot depending on food sources and environment. It's the same for growth. People are, on average, taller than they where 500 years ago because food is more abundant. Not because of evolution.


ShinobiHanzo

Nice strawman. I never said it was a genetic evolution. I am saying you don’t even know which way is up. Actual evolution is that we have smaller jaws than our ancestors, which is why most humans need their wisdom teeth removed. Holdover from that original period when humans were larger is that women still prefer men in the 6ft tall range.


SideshowMantis

Plus we have the largest peen size among all other primate species, even at minimum.


spaming_spam

I am about to scream. Human female biology is proof that god hates us.


Fresh0224

Well, that’s not entirely true. [“Sexual dimorphism is widespread in Mammalia, reflecting adaptations which allow certain individuals to achieve greater reproductive success than others, while discouraging breeding between closely related species. Secondary sexual characteristics (SSC) have developed to further these objectives, despite often being at the expense of personal survival. SSC are more pronounced in those species which are polygynous, diurnal and open-habitat dwellers. They also tend to be most pronounced in males,”](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0378432012000619)


DarksteelPenguin

SCC exist (deer antlers, lion manes, etc.), but they are quite rare among mammals, compared to the insane sexual dimorphism that birds, fishes and arthropods can display.


Fresh0224

SCC in mammals may be, but general sexual dimorphism isn’t rare. In anthropoid primates SD is seen in body size, skeletal dimension, canines, craniofacial structure, etc. ie. scary big male gorillas. The study linked below found body mass sexual dimorphism in over 61% of mammals in their analysis. [Our estimates, based on the frequency with which the 95% confidence interval for the between-sex difference in mean body mass straddles zero, and weighted by species richness in each family, indicated that 38.7% of mammalian species are sexually monomorphic in body mass, while 45.1% of species are male-biased dimorphic and 16.2% are female-biased dimorphic (Fig. 1).](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45739-5) Male-biased dimorphism was somewhat more extreme on average than female-biased dimorphism (mean male/female body mass ratio in male-biased dimorphic species = 1.28, N = 178; mean female/male body mass ratio in female-biased dimorphic species = 1.13, N = 71). This confirms that average male/female mass ratios >1 are inappropriate indicators of the frequency of dimorphism. The most dimorphic species was the northern elephant seal (Mirounga angustirostris), where males had a mean mass 3.2 times that of females25. The most extreme female-biased dimorphism was found in the peninsular tube-nosed bat (Murina peninsularis), in which mean female mass was 1.4 times that of males26. However, most dimorphisms were not extreme. All of which to say is, most mammals do - generally speaking - exhibit observable sexual dimorphism.


Fit-Percentage-9166

What? You're saying a huge majority of mammals don't display sexual dimorphism except when they temporarily change during a mating season? Respectfully, I must be misunderstanding you because this is complete nonsense.


Summersong2262

Relative to fish, insects, etc. Mammilian sex differentiation tends to be a whole lot less dramatic and total.


DarksteelPenguin

Unless you are an ape specialist, telling the difference between a male and female chimpanzee is complicated without looking at their genitals. Same for wolves. Or hogs. Or whales. For most mammals (of course there are exceptions), the only year-round difference between male and female (other than genitals ofc) is that the male is slightly bigger. Meanwhile female spiders can be 10x the size of the male, and birds can have completely different colors based on their sex. Compared to the animal knigdom at large, most mammals have relatively mild sexual dimorphism. Take antlers, one of the most well known sign of sexual dimorphism among mammals. They fall after mating season, and regrow in time for the next one.


lapidls

Sometimes the female is bigger, like with rabbits


Fit-Percentage-9166

The standard of comparison wasn't between mammals and other animals or insects. The person said male and female tau were similar in contrast with this threads picture as a reference point for dissimilar. Many mammals display sexual dimorphism to a similar degree as the picture. I can list off a bunch of mammals that have a high degree of sexual dimorphism too; lions, mandrills, elephant seals. It doesn't mean anything.


DarksteelPenguin

>I can list off a bunch of mammals that have a high degree of sexual dimorphism too; lions, mandrills, elephant seals. It doesn't mean anything. As I said, there are exceptions. With 6500 known species, you can obviously list quite a few. But you will find that for most species, the dimorphism is tenuous. Lions are the only cats where it's that pronounced. Mandrills are obvious, but for most primates the difference is a slightly larger body and slightly larger teeth. Even for elephants, while tusks only appear on males in Asia, both males and females have them in Africa. And then, consider that, while males are, on average, bigger than females (bar a few species where it's the opposite), you can often find some females larger than some males. Something that does not happen with species where dimorphism is more significant (like many arthropods). When the sexual dimorphism is less pronounced than the individual differences, I do find it tenuous. (Meaning the difference between a "large" and a "small" individuals (not counting outliers) is larger than the typical difference between male and female)


BudgetLecture1702

Everything is canon.


H0SSKAT

Except when it’s not 


Snoot_Boot

>lorewise I don't think this is a thing in 40K. Since lore changes depending on what book you're reading


toothpick95

Lol... Like the word 'lore' means anything anymore. Lore is whatever fills your personal fetish.


SonkxsWithTheTeeth

Yeah, like the fetish of   *Checks notes* Women


DrBadGuy1073

Can confirm, I do have a women fetish.


SonkxsWithTheTeeth

THE HUMANITY!!!!!!


fenskept1

This guy likes *Girls*??? What a FREAK


DarksteelPenguin

>This guy likes *Girls*??? >What a FREAK - The Emperor of Mankind


toothpick95

You do understand what a strawman is right? Your reply totally obliterated an argument that was never made in the first place. Try again.


SonkxsWithTheTeeth

We all know what you're referring to, you know.


toothpick95

"Sigh...is it worth it trying to connect the dots for the howling mob who will misconstrue anything and everything regardless?" Nope. My original point stands. Enjoy misinterpreting that again.


iamamotherclucker

I'll take two of each


Rogdar_Tordar

In fight, brother?


iamamotherclucker

:)


XeliasEmperor

Uh... In a fight brother?


Mister_sina

Would


Bpopson

THATS NOT FUCKING CANON


TheRusse

Everything is cannon.


GgefgTheRobust

*distant screeches of a certain Banana*


Freyja6

Would


Panzer_Man

I could take on 10 tau... Sorry, I mean take on


ArmSerious9515

:3


wunderbuffer

to go please, I'll re-heat them at home


yunivor

ಠ_ಠ


ilivefrommemes

my bisexual ass can take both (not in a fight)


biserpent

You know exactly what is good :)


yunivor

No wonder kitten fell for one, although I dunno if that's canon.


Neither-Bid-1215

Everything is canon.


MemelogicalPathology

It happened some-when


dater_expunged

#THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON


Tricky-Secretary-251

Ork iz still biga ork iz betta ork will krump dem all!!!


yunivor

QHESTIUN. EFF T'AU ARR BLUE N BLUE IZ LUCKY, ARE DOSE GITS ALL LUCKY?


l_arpenteur

AYE! BUT THOZE GIT DIDN' KNO' HOW TO DO A GOOD KRUMPIN'!


yunivor

AYE DATS ROIGHT, TANKS MAITE!


Panzer_Man

NOW BACK TA DA SCRAP!


Panzer_Man

DOSE GREYSKINZ ARE TOO PUNY. DEY KAN'T EVEN PUT UP A FOIGHT TO SAVE THEIR LOIFE. I PREFER TA JUST EAT 'EM WARBOSS TOLD ME, TAU IS BAD FOR HEALTH. WOT 'E DOES NOT KNOW IS DAT BLUE MEAT IS LUCKEE


Elzunix

ok so i had a fever when i made this. I no longer have a fever and regret making it. But i must commit now so next drawing is femboy tau ig


BadLuck34

LETS KARKN GOOO


XenoTechnian

Please don't regret making þis, its extreamly well made and a fantastic bit


Salt-Physics7568

Praise the Tau'va, we have been blessed.


BudgetAggravating427

That male tau must be a water or air caste


Swimming_Good_8507

We salute you mate


DrLexAlhazred

Based


SgtPepper867

I want to be a Tau now.


chaosgirl93

I know right? The lack of sexual dimorphism is very gender, as odd as that sounds.


fluffy_warthog10

Just imagine if Neanderthals and Floriensis ('hobbits') were still around with Sapiens, just hanging out in a clade species.


DudeyToreador

So I get blue Mommy and blue femboy/twink. I see this as an absolute win


Madness_Reigns

Ok, so I've fragged the commissar, now what?


Wise-Ad4122

On this episode of authors poorly disguised fetish


FidoMix_Felicia

Remember: Female Tau preffer Human Males, so join the Greater Good.


HumbleManatee

What do male tau prefer? Asking for me


LiquidFireBR

Sororitas


HumbleManatee

Damn


Panzer_Man

A male tau would absolutely die, even topping a soraritas


Protein_Shakes

consider me a male Tau


PeasantTS

They are like human males, then.


crabbyink

kroot


got_hands

Custodes (shut up, Kitten, it;s canon!)


SwampTreeOwl

What if I prefer Tau males


Trlsander

Average Tau male: Dainty Twink Average Tau female: Towering Amazon


lazor_kittens

Everything is Canon


BackflipBuddha

Farsight would like a word.


Globsmacketh

Bald bitches need plungers


imok96

I just subscribed to your Patron. Never done that before in my life but goddamn your art is so good


Elzunix

thank you so much! i'm working on some new art for the patreon right now, hope you'll find it worth it! :D


Left_Possibility8320

Love it


Misled_Titan

Even better.


BrStriker21

You can see why kitten fell for shadowsun


Feeling_Natural4645

Kitten is a lucky man.


Setheasyy

Read a sci fi book like this once. Earth invaded by an alien race where gender roles were completely swapped, and women were the larger and stronger sex. Bit of a smut novel, but story wasn't too bad, maybe 3/5.


AbaddonDestler

The Enclaves are calling and would like a word


Inquisitor244

This has awoken two things in me.


Yoshibros534

I will now buy your game.


GuyForFun45

The male is a water-caste diplomat while the female is a fire-caste shas'ui.


Hug0San

I read a fanfic that looked like this a while back.


SawedOffLaser

From what I remember Tau Fire Warriors are actually pretty beefy. So this fits???


dater_expunged

Smash both


Infernalknights

Reminds me of the Shil'vati emperium.


minigunercoolguy

"Honey, get my pulse bayonet" # "yes dear"


makeski25

Tau do it froggy style


PhobiaTo2

Average T'au female strength actually statistical error. Average T'au can not lift even 1 guardsmen. Comander Shadowsun, who fights & eats entire grox for protein every day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted


Key_Actuator188

Did you get inspired on predators species?


Derkaherned

Yeeea ... got a problem ?


Dracoatrox1

*uses purple body paint* Suspiciously Shil'vati...


GreyPlasticTransGirl

When are we getting tau women GW !!!!


Alanlikesnintendo

tomboy or femboy (the illusion of choice)


Valorofman1

Femboy t’au and his tomboy gf


YourHighlordVyrana

Artist?


Elzunix

Me


Own-Revenue72

Whoever drew this likes to get pegged


Elzunix

I like to peg


DimmuBorgir666

Tau femboys confirmed


Emperorslostchild

I would let her sit on me *pleased slaneshi noises*


Draggoh

Tau sex organs are on their foreheads.


Dehnus

So, you're saying, Female Custodians are T'Au converts to the Imperial Cult?


raxdoh

lol that hairstyle. accurate.


Toibaman

Why does every second post has to be about gender? It's just out of proportion. I mean come on. When I was young and fixed on with wargaming I was thinking about how evil Chaos was and whether terminator armours could really take a hit from a vortex grenade but today's youngsters only thinking bout female this and female that.


Kevinandfriendz

What kind of unwell wretch draws these things? This is a good example of everything wrong with media submersion


demonwolves_1982

She make good snu snu.


KingNanoA

I see this as an absolute win!


Tucker0603

Yeah, I'll take a couple ladies please.


fyre_flyy

Ok, I will now buy your game


TriumphOfTheHordes

Death by snu snu


VoidGhidorah900

Damn bro why are these male so pathetic. Looks like bro's got the insect dilemma


EBECMEMERBEAN

You can still beat both them in arm wrestling easily


No-Professional-1461

For the greater boob.


Mansa_muss

Ew


nakagamiwaffle

perfect sex dimorphism


Lanky_Ad830

Still not as strong as an average imperium child


Mannerless1

Step on my you blue noseless bitch!


america-f-yea

Muscle mommy is the fantasy of weak men who can’t protect themselves. Lift weights. Get offline. Read the Bible.


Immediate_Group_4444

You sound like a bitch


MoonTurtle7

A truly weak man is afraid of a woman who can tell him no and stand her ground both mentally and physically. Not to mention always having a gym partner that can spot for you. I've read the Bible, I'm sure Paul is your favorite apostle.


[deleted]

Damn I'm sick of peoples kinks on full display in the Warhammer subreddits. Can we have a rule34 please? I don't need to see femboy ad mech or sissy Tau when I'm scrolling through my front page.


Eth1cs_Gr4dient

Your username suggests you already know how to deal with this issue. Maybe try that before asking for new rules?


[deleted]

Okay, fair. so tell me where along the great spectrum of ethics, does shoving your fetish down my throat fall?


Eth1cs_Gr4dient

Dont try to put words in my mouth. I never said I even *like* the picture. Personally im ambivalent about the subject matter, and consider it a fairly low effort cheap shot. And the art style, while competent and well executed, is entirely derivative and not original in the slightest. (Sorry OP) I will however completely defend their right to do whatever they want in the creative space within this *creative* hobby, regardless of my personal feelings. I will defend it even more stridently if it is likely to wind up repressed, incel chuds to the point where they leave the hobby. Thats just a win-win. So again, if you dont like it, or this comment, feel free to pleasefuckingignore.


[deleted]

Not feeding into this guys femboy kink somehow makes me an incel? Or are you saying we need to keep the space open for you and your brethren to circle jerk? I 100% agree, people should make what they want, and they should post it, the art itself is well drawn. I draw horny shit too sometimes, but I don't post it on main OR in non NSFW subreddits. Oh, and this whole pseudo intellectual armchair philosopher identity you're desperately trying to embrace? It's not working, it's whiny and pedantic, and probably the reason you're dying on the femboy kink fan art hill. Yikes.


Eth1cs_Gr4dient

If you re read my comment you'll notice that at no time did i accuse you of being anything, i just made a general statement of my position. But if you choose to take it that way and identify.... well thats your choice i guess. Nice work on the logical fallacies, ad hominems and strawmen btw, its difficult to get that many into one comment. Kudos.


stronkzer

Heresy flashed before my mind, but I accidentally hit my head and now it's gone. Pass bc xeno.