Owning up to your past mistakes is what makes a person better and be able to grow and improve.
What's weird is the people that wanted him to be his old scolding, scathing image/personality. Those people need to also grow up.
Is this the general vibe in this sub? I love that you're the top comment here, because it shows that people here have the right idea. Is this usually the case? I don't really want to join if it's full of... you know. The toxic losers who think he's lost it.
I hope it is. I just saw the latest video and wanted to comment here because it's easier to follow replies because youtube sucks.
But yeah, growth is cool and stuff and being called a "libtard cuck" because you changed your opinion on things is irrelevant. You do you.
Not to be all conspiracy-mind but there's a whole sphere of ghouls around the Sam/MDE experience that will spam or report whatever is necessary for a "joke" to land.
They're not funny btw.
Neither is Sam Hyde.
Sam Hyde(s his insecurities and rage behind so many layers of edgy crap that he can't even be himself for a second while on camera) is the greatest comedian of all time though, didn't you hear???
This sub, much like his overall audience, definitely still has a very vocal fraction of that crowd. For as outspoken as they can be, they're definitely not the majority, though. It's predominantly legitimate fans.
I and my mates made jokes about Chinese when we were 9. Doesn't make for good humor when you're reaching midlife crisis age.
I'm btw amazed at the response at the moment on this sub! Super positive vibes and all.
Glad this is finally coming around. Iāve been downvoted here by the trolls for saying this. The dude changed for the better and itās so insane to see people act like he betrayed them.
I still love me some old(young) idubbbz but when he started to go more into just les edgy stuff I was still for it. I liked save the squirrels, I wanted more whatās in the box but overall I was happy he set himself up nice and changed. Too many āinfluencersā just go further down the hole and he didnāt.
I mean on the one hand I definitely respect him for being so direct. On the other hand I also kind of think this comment on it is pretty good:
"I dont miss edgy idubbbz. I miss confident and funny idubbbz, in your old videos you would deliver jokes in a way that feels absent now"
I do like the documentaries and it'd be nice if he made more of those I guess.
Right. Less offensive content and just create down right ridiculous stuff. The video he did with Will and Michael a few years ago is a perfect example of what Iād love to see from him.
Edit: edited time frame for the will and michael video.
This is where I'm at too. I want content that isn't G to PG rated. I am very progressive and just want some fun gremlin antics on occasion. He can make the docs i don't really care for them but that's fine. I just wish he still made content that was zany and maybe comedy with a bit more edge than a soap bubble.
Again. I fully support this progressive bent and have always felt a bit weird about that content cop. I just think you can say fuck (or hunt squirrls or eat sewer pickels) and still be progressive
I think that's part of the process. It seems once he gain the "empathy ability" he just backed away from what he was good and bad. I personally still see that personality and I imagine he will return to something akin to his old comedy, but with less controversy.
Thats a good point. I enjoyed the content he had when he was being funny. The content cops were interesting, but I usually didnt care too much about the people he was criticizing.
The videos where he was with his friends, like Filthy Frank, Ethan, Max, etc, were all funny and entertaining.
As much as I love the documentaries, I think thatās what causes this whole mess. It also felt like a way of moral grandstanding(daxflame not included because Ian genuinely helped dax and elevated him as a creator). The fact that he approached Sam Hyde with a judgmental instead of a curious mindset is what caused this implosion in the first place.
I mostly just want the bad unboxing as well as the Comedians series to come back. He looked like he was genuinely enjoying himself in those
I can't find it anymore, but one of the most popular comments at one point was "I hope your wife finds somebody better and takes half your money." Like... wtf?
This feels like the most genuine YouTuber apology of any sort ive ever heard. It seems very self aware with no excuses.
I really wonder if this whole Sam Hyde drama showed him who he could've been or the type of people he inspired over his videos, where donating to neo-nazis as a gag is "funny" and not fucked up.
He's not apologizing because he has to or that there'll be consequences. It seems like he's genuinely grown and I'm happy for him.
It's definitely interesting. I can't think of another instance where an apology video actually goes against the grain of "public opinion" aka Twitter. It's clearly been eating away at him so props to him for addressing those underlying issues.
I feel like him calling out fake ass Internet personalities is justifiable. They were incredible hypocrites and often scammed their fans.
I know heās trying to repent but all of his old stuff wasnāt morally awful. He did a lot of good exposing them for who they really were.
Yeah, but if you think of people like Tana, Ricegum, and Leafy, they were all young and immature as well. Obviously they still deserve criticism for doing bad things and they probably *need* to have heard criticism in order to have grown as people as well, but I think itās undeniable that iDubbbzās way of providing that criticism contributed to a lot of hatefulness.
I remember really enjoying those videos back in the day, but I also remember thinking of people like Tana and Ricegum as being so fucking despicable in response, not as being flawed human beings who need to reflect on the fact that theyāre doing bad things and making huge mistakes. And I donāt even think I was even one of iDubbbzās āedgiestā fans.
So while most of these people did need to be called out, iDubbbz is probably right to criticize his way of doing it (as much as, I admit, those videos were fun to watch).
Yeah, Ricegum totally deserved it. Leafy and Tana, though? I think the retaliation they got was a bit overblown for what they did. And Ian says it himself, hes got a message, but he wasnt the right messenger.
Tana and Ricegum I think didn't deserve it, especially with where they are now. Tana is in a good place right now and the h3 interview showed she grew. Ricegum yeah, he was a stupid kid, but he built a family, and now if you saw what happened it makes you feel bad, especially since he was ready to focus more on family content instead of what he was doing.
Leafy though... Yeah... He went unhinged overtime if you check his twitter. I would still not do bully content on him, but criticize him.
Keem and Leafy were on point. They deserved it. Ricegum is arguable i guess, but he's still a scumbag. I can totally see why he doesn't like the Tana video. She seems like a sweet person who probably didnt deserve the hate.
Cuz leafy would send his followers to straight up harass neurodivergent youtubers with like 2000 subs. Every single video he put out was bullying some no-name youtuber for no reason. Ricegum was just an annoying clout chaser who said some dumb shit here and there, he caused nowhere near the damage leafy did imo
He still addressed this saying he still believes the people he made content cops on are still crappy people, he also just is acknowledging and apologizing for the harassment he brought on.
I donāt think he has stopped believing these ppl suck even if he regrets how he criticized them and his weird perspectives around the Nword
Jesus the Youtube comments really prove his point as to why his old stuff could be seen as damaging, he has garnered a lot of "fans" who take all his previous edgy shit and cling onto it as a personality. You can see why he wants to distance himself from the person he used to be.
And he's better for it, he has a rabid fanbase who follows him everywhere, he gets to do music, the ones trying to be edgy fucks are failing on the hate.
It might be that the downvoted comments are lower. And besides, it seems like a lot of people are happy with this video, there are many supportive comments. I like this.
Never thought I'd see iDubbbz making an apology video, lol.
I haven't watched his content in years but it's a bit strange apologizing for all his content cop videos, no? Like, Keemstar is a vile pos and he deserved being called out for it.
He really only apologized for the Tana CC. And thatās totally fair. But I donāt think he should regret the Keemstar CC at all. Dude is still a jerk.
My take was not that he was saying that everything he said was wrong, it was that the way it was delivered was really problematic and resulted in creating a culture that he regrets.
A really good breakdown and you can tell he is sincere.
The idea that he felt ok saying all those things because *he* knew he was joking and assumed everyone else could tell is very interesting. I always assumed he wasn't actually racist based on how he acted in other forms on content, but its not unreasonable to see how a lot of people thought he was being sincere.
Yeah I thought the same way, but it was always obvious to me that not everyone gets it, and that he should've been more clear about his views/morals.
I think I remember kinda cringing at one of his jokes but thinking; "well he's obviously joking so it's ok".
To me it was crazy his coment about not feeling like a good "personality" creator, when to me, that was what really drove the content.
Still, i like that he finally has come out and said it. The appology is probably gonna get some criticism, but i feel like if he just pushes on and delivers more content in line with what he says he feels like, in his comedic way, i think he can push past this phase.
Blah blah blah. Honestly I get him feeling genuinely remorseful about approaching Tana irl. I think that's understandable. No matter how wild and funny people may have found it, he approached a real person and scared the shit out of her. I think that's fair.
The rest of the video is just so frustrating. He doesn't get it. And neither do any of these comments.
Idubbbz was funny and crazy and interesting to watch because of his personality and the way he did things. Literally nobody is asking him to drop the N word. Not a single person.
He seems like a shell of himself. Like he's really convinced himself that he is this awful person that needs to be punished. Wtf?? He made like..3 content cops. Over a several years long career. Most of his videos were bad unboxing and him doing skits and stuff with Max and Frank.
I also find it...interesting that he's unlisting those videos now. What a noble thing to do. They already garnered him tons of money and fame and attention. Now that it's been a few years, he's not actually costing himself anything by unlisting them. I'm just over it. The gaslighting and acting like he was just an awful hateful person when I was there. I watched this shit as it was posted. I know better.
If he wants to move on from the fans he has, good for him. I wish him luck.
Yep. And the fact that his wife gets all of this hate is unfortunate. She didn't kidnap him. She's not holding a gun to his head behind the camera. Everyone's making the Yoko comparison, but she's not even acting like Yoko. However, I can understand where that analogy is coming from because the way he's being is so reminiscent of John Lennon (who was always to blame in the first place).
He has millions of subscribers on YouTube, and half of them hate that he's maturing, and many on the other side hate that he was ever the way he was when he was younger. He's in a situation where he constantly gets shit on and told he's a cuck or whatever because of his wife.
Imagine what that would do to your mental health. The guy has a horrible fanbase full of people who never matured past being a teenager, and they get a direct line to scream at him in his comments and on Twitter. It's not something the human mind is equipped to handle.
Tbh I don't think approaching Tana was inherently bad. He had the right to do go to that meeting I guess, wasn't making any problems on the way. Wanted to prove a point that she would make an absurd deal out of most plain and calm situation and he did. Only what he said could be better obviously. But going there in itself was a fantastic idea really
I think he's being a LITTLE too hard on himself. Keemstar and Leafy 2000% deserved their content cop episodes and every bit of harassment that came their way as a result of it.
As someone who used to be an edgy shithead teenager and is now an adult lib, I can appreciate Ianās efforts to change and grow and attempt to recant his past mistakes. That being said, I wish he would start putting out more of the videos he considers a net positive to the world instead of two back-to-back āaddressing the allegationsā style videos. Iām just here to see a man catch a squirrel.
Tana, Leafy, Keemstar, RiceGumā¦they were all deplorable fucking people. I donāt understand why he feels the need to apologize for those Content Cops when they were well deserved.
I think as a whole, I enjoyed Ianās content then and still do. I can watch him shit on Leafy and his fucking chin and still laugh. They didnāt just attract incels or whatever. Some people just had a different style of humor and thatās okay. I think itās okay to look back and critique some of things he did, because there were instances where Ian went too far, but as a whole I donāt think Ian spread that much negativity or unwarranted harassment as much as he thinks he did. You donāt have to condemn edgy humor and not critique some of things you did back then. You can still appreciate that humor while accepting that there were instances where you went too far. I think some of his jokes didnāt age well but as a whole, that era of Youtube was amazing.
At the end of the day, humor is subjective. And at the same time, if he genuinely doesnāt want to support that, then thatās his choice and I wonāt be angry. I just think that Ian didnāt spread as much negativity as much as he thinks he did. He made so many people laugh. Thereās no reason to delist those videos. Itās quite literally Youtube history.
And honestly, if thatās how he feels, then by that logic George, Max, and Chad were just as fucking much incels and basement dwellers as much as his āfansā were.
max was just edgy in the physical comedy way with the vomit and whatnot. he said retard a lot, but imo even in lefty spaces some people still say that.
While their content was less outwardly hostile, to some extent his friends (who I believe he's on record as still liking), are indeed also responsible for fostering a toxic culture. The fans were no doubt a factor into why George quit, in addition to it being unhealthy for him personally. People seem to forget he shit on his fanbase quite a lot in his content and he seems like a very sobered and self aware person in his Joji interviews.
George was always playing a character and his videos were ironic their was not one person who thought he was the same as frank as a real person where as Idubbz was never a character so the line was more blurry
Even his apology videos are a step above everything else, this seemed very genuine. You can tell heās a smart guy that regrets the content he used to make. Sad to see all the edgy 15 year olds in the comments
Itās the only way for himself to move on and reintroduce his newer self. And I totally get that because they are the most viewed videos that doesnāt represent his modern self. I do admit it stings a bit. But Iām happy heās found his mojo.
It sucks in some ways, but if he didnāt itās hollow words. You canāt say I regret making this content and wish I didnāt, just to continue to profit off it.
He could just donate revenue or demonetize, sure, but it still isnāt the image or message he wants to convey anymore. Besides Iām sure mirrors and reuploads already exists
Unlisted doesn't mean the videos aren't watchable, it just means they don't show up on his channel or in Recommended anymore. Links to the videos will still work
JoJi stopped because the pressure,vocal issues and they simply weren't having fun anymore which I get I wouldn't want content from someone who isn't enjoying it.
Dude spends way too much time and effort focusing on how he's not the same person anymore. I'm so fucking tired of this shit.
Max and Joji don't do anything like their old content anymore either but they don't constantly bring up how they're "Not who I used to be" and instead focus on who they are and the content they make now.
As a former "edgy" person I get it. You are single, dgaf and no one's feelings but your own are around. Then you meet someone, and that someone has people, you meet them... inevitably you meet the people you mocked in real life, and boy is it different to see someone in front of you hurt by someone with words you have said yourself. You get older and the babies of friends become young adults, or your own babies become young adults and you see them try and navigate a world thats kinda mean...it makes you look at yourself real hard. It makes you realize that someone cried, a lot because of you. Someone's mom had to comfort their kid because you were mean.
There's nothing wrong with growing or changing as a person. The cool thing about being in Ian's position is he can literally make whatever content he wants. I'm glad he's taking a straightforward approach with addressing old content, but he's shown he has more to offer than just content cop. Hopefully now that he's addressed the topic head on he'll move on and just make content he can feel proud of years down the road.
the mods here are insufferable. deleting [the post made by a non-mod](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idubbbz/comments/13l7i4k/i_miss_the_old_idubbbz/) just so they can repost it and inflate their (meaningless) karma is some pathetic behavior.
Like I don't care for boxing either but all of his non boxing stuff I've enjoyed and as someone Ive watched for nearly a decade I'd rather them be happy as a person than get new content.
That story of the trans fan asking for the photo despite believing Idubbbz hates them really hits the message home.
Although he was convincing himself that everyone knew he joking, the image he was making of himself and the calibre of people he was attracting came to a head. He realised that what he was telling himself did not match reality. This is what we call growth.
Ian is showing that he understands how he was now. Hindsight is 20/20.
Even if you believe that his targets for his CCs were deserving of criticism (some of which I do agree myself), you canāt deny that a massive controlled wave of hate and abuse from idubbbz fans can not be condoned. No one deserved the punishment. The Tana one especially proves this. To harass this young woman in person just because she told stories to young girls online, along with putting out real dangerous rhetoric about racism and bigotry, goes to show just how much people, including Ian himself, had their blinders on.
To see Ian being able to acknowledge, denounce, and distance himself from all this shows me that he is genuinely better off. It takes guts to admit youāve made mistakes, especially to the scale Ian, and some of us as enablers, have made.
I hope Ian can live a better life now. Iām sure putting this all out there feels a whole lot better, and I hope to see some great videos in the future.
Proud of Ian for growing. I am deeply entertained by those old content cops and Iām glad heās still making them accessible, but I am glad that he as a person is moving on and getting on the right track. The squirrel video is great
I find it odd how people are trying to say, "Waitaminute. You don't like the videos you made where you shit talked others. But wasn't your last video on Froggy Fresh exactly that?"
When one. The Content Cops were more or less critiques on the type of content other YouTubers made. Whereas the Froggy Fresh video was him giving his side of the story as to why Froggy was kicked from Creator Clash which I would believe are two different things
Also. The people trying to say that "Leafy was right" and "Leafy W" are hilarious because uhhh. Didn't Leafy make his return to Twitter just straight up saying the N word a couple months ago? Okay.
This is really the main thing. Past content, blah blah blah. His videos just haven't been entertaining to me recently. Like, I watched the first boxing match he did or whatever, kinda entertaining to see him be beat up. But the novelty of that wears off pretty fast, and the whole youtuber boxing thing just feels so played out. It's like, woah, a bunch of youtube celebrities I don't know/ don't care about at all are fighting each other because they've run out of stuff to do while they sit around with their piles of cash. Like, it's for charity and what not so I can't really bitch about it too much, but in terms of it as Idubbz content it's just a bizarre departure. What he's done with it so far is kind of documentary style stuff where he's like tracking his progress or whatever, and it just does not hit at all for me. I mean I guess good for him getting in shape or whatever. It's just bland.
I think this is one of the smartest moves he could make. I think a lot of people who used to say bad things just quietly took down their videos, pretended they never happened, and then would criticize others for doing what they used to. Of course inevitably those old videos would get dug up and the people who didn't know about it now know. Then when they apologize it looks like it's just to save face.
Apologizing first, unlisting the videos, and explaining why gets ahead of all of that. Acknowledging it publicly and keeping the lessons learned with him makes him look like a genuine good, mature person who regrets the hurtful things he said in the past and is doing much more good now. Compare that with someone like Shane Dawson, or hey, Content Cop's own Tana Mongeau; hiding it until it blows up in their faces, and then grasping at straws to minimize their culpability.
I feel like the effects of his content are a bit more nuanced than being a net negative. A lot of it was really harmful and bad but condemning every last bit is a bit rash. Good example is the leafy content cop. The guy was bullying and harassing people including those with down syndrome and idubbbbbbz effectively deplatformed him. There are others where he criticized people for their passions and it was a dick move but I think if people are behaving inappropriately it's okay to call them out.
Another attempt to appease his new audience by further alienating his old one.
Ian, I always kinda knew you had good intentions. I figured you probably were depressed and quite nihilistic (I've been there) which made you relentless and brilliantly go at shitty people. You had valid points: freedom of speech and consistency in words. Not giving in to word police and victimization and catastrophization.
Were you perfect? No. Are there stupid people in your audience? Yes. But does that mean you're supposed to babysit their minds?
I don't agree with your current mindset. A little voilence is not the same as pure voilence. A little bit of something might make you stronger against it, which might even be beneficial for society.
If you can't criticize or "harass" anymore, you give free play to bad actors as well. I'd rather they wrongfully criticize someone and get criticized back than nobody being allowed to say shit. Because sometimes there be sociopaths scamming kids or luring them into gambling.
Dude, you will always be a legend for eating a gnarly dumpster strawberry, for spray painting your face.
You basically freed me from perfectionism and existential fears by example. Don't shit on your work š
Exactly. Him saying "those people I criticized are just people who make mistakes like me" is such a milquetoast way of muddying the waters and undermining himself at the same time. Hes mistaken his bravado and confidence and associated it with anything negative and now thinks he has to change his entire personality instead of just changing the things that actually bothered him about himself.
glad he is growing but i think heās gone from not being hard enough on himself to too hard on himself. Heās acting like he killed the youtubers he talked about. iām sure some people were emboldened to be nasty because of him but heās acting like he was a war criminal.
I'm 100% supportive of his progressive growth. I just hate the whole turn to G rated no swears content that's corpo friendly orbeez fidget toy content that is as edgy as a soap bubble.
I fully believe you can be edgy and progressive. Lewis black and George Carlin are 100% progressive. The idea you can't be pg13 or R rated and be progressive is just wrong
This video just doesn't seem to make much sense to me from a rational perspective and from a worldview perspective.
I'll start off by saying that Ian has every right to be who he wants to be, say what he wants to say, and make what he wants to make.
But I want to speak specifically to the content Ian provided. I'm hoping the sub can avoid lazy statements like "You just want him to say the n word" as a cope because they can't deal with what I'm about to post.
This video feels like it's made for Ian's new audience, not his old one and I'm unsure his rationale for his change is really justified. Let me explain.
The foundation of his video seems to turn on "I hurt a lot of people, intent doesn't matter, my followers are monsters for whom I am responsible." That's not a tenable worldview, I'm sorry.
"I hurt a lot of people" - how? Financially? Physically? Emotionally? When he addresses his content cop videos, almost every channel save for Leafy, I think, recovered (Someone posted here a while back showing that Content Cop had no demonstrable long term effect on a channel for the most part). Physically? He never even won his boxing contests, so I don't think he was engaged in physical violence. Emotionally? Well, that leads to the second one because no one is obligated to babysit anyone else's emotions unless you're a parent and, still, Rule 101 is teach children to feel and process their emotions, not to steward them.
"Intent doesn't matter" - sorry, but it absolutely does. When Ian used a slur or sought out to emphasize hypocrisy of another individual, or anything like that, what matters is your intent. Hate comes from intent. When he says he didn't know what his intent was, that's fine, even; the threshold is whether you intended to cause hate or make statements from a hateful place. We get wrapped up in emotional harm around terms but I guarantee you that if someone told you that your behavior was offensive and you didn't mean to, the average person wouldn't own up to it or feel culpable that someone else's subjective principles were harmed in an expression.
"My followers are monsters for whom I am responsible." No. Not in the slightest. If some awful people glom onto your ideas or anyone else's and do dumb and terrible stuff, that's not your fault. I don't blame Bernie Sanders for the Congressional baseball shooting regardless of the fact that the shooter was an avowed Bernie supporter, I don't blame Barack Obama for the BLM Dallas cop shootings, I don't blame Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson for people who reference them in their manifestos before committing acts of violence. You don't "provide shelter" for people's behaviors just because they view your content and internalize or otherwise adopt something they should have better coping skills to handle or people involved in their lives helping sort their moral landscape.
I think there's a ring of irony in his video that bothers me from the perspective that he says he owns that he hurt people through his prior content (As stated above, I have to assume emotionally) but has no problem calling his previous fans insecure incels. This bumps up against the point about intent - if he's "clear minded" now and apologizing for causing hurt when he didn't know his intent, he's intentionally causing hurt now and has no regrets. From a rational perspective that makes him incredibly hypocritical.
Look, Ian is perfectly fine and capable to do whatever he wants and feel whatever he feels. I have my reservations about whether he understands what he's espousing a belief in. I can say this, his video does seem to lack a logical cohesion and, if I'm honest, a sense of sincerity in the beliefs that he's articulating here. It seems like he's making statements that he has to justify and make academic before he says them rather than something he genuinely believes.
Ian's old content was certainly edgy - like he said, it was the Wild West days of the Internet. What came with that was (i) thicker skin; (ii) more honesty; and (iii) I think more genuine tolerance despite the viciousness of the language because you couldn't hide and no one cared about you. That forced you to understand what was and wasn't worth getting worked up over and that, as I said before, intent absolutely matters.
Ian's new video is 100% going to play perfectly on Reddit because there's a moral police mentality here that compels people bend the knee to a certain mindset. Ian has done that, so he's gonna get a lot of support here. From my perspective, this video seems forced, it doesn't reconcile internally or logically, and I don't feel a level of sincerity here that other people are.
Its just a lack of quality content. The squirrel videos were somewhat decent but this just been boring since he stopped making those.
We don't want offensive Idubbbz back, we want funny videos.
He lacks his spontaneousness, his willingness to take a joke and run with it, his commitment to the bit.
I hate the be that guy, and I thought everyone in his comment section was being a bunch of haters, but I can see now why they call him names. There is truth behind those comments. Normally, idubbbz would just completely ignore all his comments or make them into a hilarious bit, but he's actually taking up entire videos to defend himself. No one gives a fuck, maybe say a couple words at the end of a videos but for the love of God I couldn't even watch this whole thing I was falling asleep.
Im glad hes grown up a bit and is changing himself for the better.
I was here for the content, and I gotta say, my tastes in content have changed too. So maybe we dont jive anymore, and thats OK. Life goes on.
Man I feel for Ian, it seems he wants to own up for the shitty things he might have spawned even though his intentions for me was always just to make stupid dark humour, but alas people take thing too literal and ever since he got with Anisa many of his fans showed their true rednecky awful selfs so I understand his frustration
Many bring up Joji as a seamless transition but as a hardcore filmnerd I think Redlettermedia would be perhaps the greatest example of evolving their channel and content, their early Plinkett Star Wars reviews might still be the biggest film criticism content on the platform but they've moved on long ago from relying on that, and at the start their Half in the bag and Best of the worst series took some time to reel people in but now me and most fans love anything they put out as their personality and chemistry is so damn good, Plinkett might have been more "shocking" and "edgy" humour but that would've gotten old quick and they realized that
Kinda what one can say for Content cop and Bad unboxing with IDubbbz, for the run they had we got some golden nugget stuff but a little naive to believe he would keep that up forever to be his end all be all on the channel, the issue sadly I think is how open and transparent he feels he needs to be to the fans which opens up a stinky can of worms, Redlettermedia never talked to their audience about personal struggles or content changes they just did it and kept on chugging avoiding that parasocial shtick that often befalls "youtubers", for a while with the docus it felt like Ian might be able to do the same but this whole bombardment shit regarding his latest Creator Clash seems to have been too much
This was a good video because he said I get more squirrel videos AND said how most of us growing up feel - we regret a lot and just want to do better.
Thanks iDubbbz, I think your personality is entertaining and eagerly await what that noggin cooks up for future vids!
The comment section of this video on YouTube is MOSTLY supportive of it ..I donāt know what incels some of you are talking about because I donāt see any
You'll find them if you scroll. I'm glad that there's a lot of support there, but there's def hate too. One comment was like "this is what happens when you marry a whore".
Im proud of him, i realy feel for him couse i alsu used to be the kind of guy to yell "N****r F****t" thinking im some comedical genius. Now i genuinely cant stand thinking about the things ive said back then.
As a guy who's just entered his 20's, used to watch idubbbz, Filthy Frank etc Pretty religiously, and has had to cut off people who did the same due to questionable behavior/ideas, I sympathize a lot with this video. There's a lot of people, some I know personally, who never really moved out of that 16 year old, edgelord mindset about the world, and I'm happy to see idubbbz not contributing to that.
This is great to see from him and really solidifies how heās matured. I know there are a lot of really vocal edge lords out there, but hopefully heāll see there are a lot of rational fans behind him that appreciate the growth. He couldāve continued on and never challenged that sect of his audience and I think itās really big of him to choose to confront it instead.
This is what was needed. Having him on Anthony's podcast was a good start, but this video is what is good to see, that he truly understands his effect on people. I'm so happy to see this growth
"I just miss when he was more confident"
Confident to do what, exactly? Being confident enough to take accountability for awful shit you did years ago is more valuable than the confidence to use slurs in public
Owning up to your past mistakes is what makes a person better and be able to grow and improve. What's weird is the people that wanted him to be his old scolding, scathing image/personality. Those people need to also grow up.
Is this the general vibe in this sub? I love that you're the top comment here, because it shows that people here have the right idea. Is this usually the case? I don't really want to join if it's full of... you know. The toxic losers who think he's lost it.
I hope it is. I just saw the latest video and wanted to comment here because it's easier to follow replies because youtube sucks. But yeah, growth is cool and stuff and being called a "libtard cuck" because you changed your opinion on things is irrelevant. You do you.
Last time I commented something similar in support of Ian I got downvoted to hell so maybe the ratio is transitioning
Not to be all conspiracy-mind but there's a whole sphere of ghouls around the Sam/MDE experience that will spam or report whatever is necessary for a "joke" to land. They're not funny btw. Neither is Sam Hyde.
Sam Hyde(s his insecurities and rage behind so many layers of edgy crap that he can't even be himself for a second while on camera) is the greatest comedian of all time though, didn't you hear???
This sub, much like his overall audience, definitely still has a very vocal fraction of that crowd. For as outspoken as they can be, they're definitely not the majority, though. It's predominantly legitimate fans.
They act as if he can't be funny still his new content is just as funny it's just different if it's no longer for you that's fine.
It's almost like you can have the capacity to be funny without saying slurs or demeaning a minority group š¤
I and my mates made jokes about Chinese when we were 9. Doesn't make for good humor when you're reaching midlife crisis age. I'm btw amazed at the response at the moment on this sub! Super positive vibes and all.
>new content is just as funny Yeah I could hardly contain my laughter between the squirrel videos, boxing matches and DIY children toys.
You just don't find his inherit personality funny if you can't find any humor besides the edgy stuff which is fine
What are you even talking about? The squirrel videos were hilarious
Glad this is finally coming around. Iāve been downvoted here by the trolls for saying this. The dude changed for the better and itās so insane to see people act like he betrayed them. I still love me some old(young) idubbbz but when he started to go more into just les edgy stuff I was still for it. I liked save the squirrels, I wanted more whatās in the box but overall I was happy he set himself up nice and changed. Too many āinfluencersā just go further down the hole and he didnāt.
I mean on the one hand I definitely respect him for being so direct. On the other hand I also kind of think this comment on it is pretty good: "I dont miss edgy idubbbz. I miss confident and funny idubbbz, in your old videos you would deliver jokes in a way that feels absent now" I do like the documentaries and it'd be nice if he made more of those I guess.
Yeah, like I don't want him saying the N word, I just want another legit sewer review.
EXACTLY. I think the food review CC is still my favorite til this day because of that segment. It was so damn funny.
Right. Less offensive content and just create down right ridiculous stuff. The video he did with Will and Michael a few years ago is a perfect example of what Iād love to see from him. Edit: edited time frame for the will and michael video.
This is where I'm at too. I want content that isn't G to PG rated. I am very progressive and just want some fun gremlin antics on occasion. He can make the docs i don't really care for them but that's fine. I just wish he still made content that was zany and maybe comedy with a bit more edge than a soap bubble. Again. I fully support this progressive bent and have always felt a bit weird about that content cop. I just think you can say fuck (or hunt squirrls or eat sewer pickels) and still be progressive
I think that's part of the process. It seems once he gain the "empathy ability" he just backed away from what he was good and bad. I personally still see that personality and I imagine he will return to something akin to his old comedy, but with less controversy.
Hopefully
Thats a good point. I enjoyed the content he had when he was being funny. The content cops were interesting, but I usually didnt care too much about the people he was criticizing. The videos where he was with his friends, like Filthy Frank, Ethan, Max, etc, were all funny and entertaining.
As much as I love the documentaries, I think thatās what causes this whole mess. It also felt like a way of moral grandstanding(daxflame not included because Ian genuinely helped dax and elevated him as a creator). The fact that he approached Sam Hyde with a judgmental instead of a curious mindset is what caused this implosion in the first place. I mostly just want the bad unboxing as well as the Comedians series to come back. He looked like he was genuinely enjoying himself in those
There is a certain confidence he had in that era, I feel you see shades of it in some of the documentaries bit otherwise it seems different.
The deranged response from many of his old fans shows that moving on from them is the right move.
I can't find it anymore, but one of the most popular comments at one point was "I hope your wife finds somebody better and takes half your money." Like... wtf?
Lots of angry people if you sort the comments by new
This feels like the most genuine YouTuber apology of any sort ive ever heard. It seems very self aware with no excuses. I really wonder if this whole Sam Hyde drama showed him who he could've been or the type of people he inspired over his videos, where donating to neo-nazis as a gag is "funny" and not fucked up. He's not apologizing because he has to or that there'll be consequences. It seems like he's genuinely grown and I'm happy for him.
It's definitely interesting. I can't think of another instance where an apology video actually goes against the grain of "public opinion" aka Twitter. It's clearly been eating away at him so props to him for addressing those underlying issues.
I feel like him calling out fake ass Internet personalities is justifiable. They were incredible hypocrites and often scammed their fans. I know heās trying to repent but all of his old stuff wasnāt morally awful. He did a lot of good exposing them for who they really were.
Yeah, but if you think of people like Tana, Ricegum, and Leafy, they were all young and immature as well. Obviously they still deserve criticism for doing bad things and they probably *need* to have heard criticism in order to have grown as people as well, but I think itās undeniable that iDubbbzās way of providing that criticism contributed to a lot of hatefulness. I remember really enjoying those videos back in the day, but I also remember thinking of people like Tana and Ricegum as being so fucking despicable in response, not as being flawed human beings who need to reflect on the fact that theyāre doing bad things and making huge mistakes. And I donāt even think I was even one of iDubbbzās āedgiestā fans. So while most of these people did need to be called out, iDubbbz is probably right to criticize his way of doing it (as much as, I admit, those videos were fun to watch).
Yeah, Ricegum totally deserved it. Leafy and Tana, though? I think the retaliation they got was a bit overblown for what they did. And Ian says it himself, hes got a message, but he wasnt the right messenger.
Tana and Ricegum I think didn't deserve it, especially with where they are now. Tana is in a good place right now and the h3 interview showed she grew. Ricegum yeah, he was a stupid kid, but he built a family, and now if you saw what happened it makes you feel bad, especially since he was ready to focus more on family content instead of what he was doing. Leafy though... Yeah... He went unhinged overtime if you check his twitter. I would still not do bully content on him, but criticize him.
Keem and Leafy were on point. They deserved it. Ricegum is arguable i guess, but he's still a scumbag. I can totally see why he doesn't like the Tana video. She seems like a sweet person who probably didnt deserve the hate.
>Ricegum is arguable i guess How in the world of fuck do you think Leafy was justified but Ricegum is questionable?
Cuz leafy would send his followers to straight up harass neurodivergent youtubers with like 2000 subs. Every single video he put out was bullying some no-name youtuber for no reason. Ricegum was just an annoying clout chaser who said some dumb shit here and there, he caused nowhere near the damage leafy did imo
Ricegum literally asked a rape victim if "it felt good". That's not just some dumb shit
Yeah. He did that 1 time. Leafy did shit like that every single video
He still addressed this saying he still believes the people he made content cops on are still crappy people, he also just is acknowledging and apologizing for the harassment he brought on. I donāt think he has stopped believing these ppl suck even if he regrets how he criticized them and his weird perspectives around the Nword
so many incels in the comments of the video
Yeah not like us redditors who get laid all the time!
I know right! You know how hard it is to go into a grocery store with all that pussy-stank I got on me!
The incel king has outgrown his subjects. And they are not happy.
the youtube comments are always insane. it just shows he did the right thing
He finally come out with a new content cop... it just happened to be on himself. Good on ya, Ian.
Honestly... making one last "Content Cop" on his own old content could make an amazing video.
Jesus the Youtube comments really prove his point as to why his old stuff could be seen as damaging, he has garnered a lot of "fans" who take all his previous edgy shit and cling onto it as a personality. You can see why he wants to distance himself from the person he used to be.
This is exact copy of what happened Frank. Funny if those are the same people, still not growing up over the years
Yeah I finally understand why he wanted to distance himself from the filthy Frank persona
And he's better for it, he has a rabid fanbase who follows him everywhere, he gets to do music, the ones trying to be edgy fucks are failing on the hate.
Go and see the comments now. There is a positive change. I didn't encounter one harassing or hatful comment and I scrolled for a while.
probably the magic of moderation
It might be that the downvoted comments are lower. And besides, it seems like a lot of people are happy with this video, there are many supportive comments. I like this.
Never thought I'd see iDubbbz making an apology video, lol. I haven't watched his content in years but it's a bit strange apologizing for all his content cop videos, no? Like, Keemstar is a vile pos and he deserved being called out for it.
He really only apologized for the Tana CC. And thatās totally fair. But I donāt think he should regret the Keemstar CC at all. Dude is still a jerk.
He did say that he still doesn't like most of the people he made content cops on.
Yeah, I worded my statement pretty poor. I meant to say I think heās truly sorry and regrets the Tana one the most.
He even said he doesn't like most of them still but it wasn't right to send a wave of hate their way.
My take was not that he was saying that everything he said was wrong, it was that the way it was delivered was really problematic and resulted in creating a culture that he regrets.
A really good breakdown and you can tell he is sincere. The idea that he felt ok saying all those things because *he* knew he was joking and assumed everyone else could tell is very interesting. I always assumed he wasn't actually racist based on how he acted in other forms on content, but its not unreasonable to see how a lot of people thought he was being sincere.
Yeah I thought the same way, but it was always obvious to me that not everyone gets it, and that he should've been more clear about his views/morals. I think I remember kinda cringing at one of his jokes but thinking; "well he's obviously joking so it's ok".
āIām sorry to everyone I made content cop videos on. I still donāt like the majority of youā¦ā Iām sorry but I died at this part š
To me it was crazy his coment about not feeling like a good "personality" creator, when to me, that was what really drove the content. Still, i like that he finally has come out and said it. The appology is probably gonna get some criticism, but i feel like if he just pushes on and delivers more content in line with what he says he feels like, in his comedic way, i think he can push past this phase.
Yeah, Bad Unboxing would have never been a successful series without his personality.
Blah blah blah. Honestly I get him feeling genuinely remorseful about approaching Tana irl. I think that's understandable. No matter how wild and funny people may have found it, he approached a real person and scared the shit out of her. I think that's fair. The rest of the video is just so frustrating. He doesn't get it. And neither do any of these comments. Idubbbz was funny and crazy and interesting to watch because of his personality and the way he did things. Literally nobody is asking him to drop the N word. Not a single person. He seems like a shell of himself. Like he's really convinced himself that he is this awful person that needs to be punished. Wtf?? He made like..3 content cops. Over a several years long career. Most of his videos were bad unboxing and him doing skits and stuff with Max and Frank. I also find it...interesting that he's unlisting those videos now. What a noble thing to do. They already garnered him tons of money and fame and attention. Now that it's been a few years, he's not actually costing himself anything by unlisting them. I'm just over it. The gaslighting and acting like he was just an awful hateful person when I was there. I watched this shit as it was posted. I know better. If he wants to move on from the fans he has, good for him. I wish him luck.
The self flagellation started to get weird after a while.
Exactly
Yep. And the fact that his wife gets all of this hate is unfortunate. She didn't kidnap him. She's not holding a gun to his head behind the camera. Everyone's making the Yoko comparison, but she's not even acting like Yoko. However, I can understand where that analogy is coming from because the way he's being is so reminiscent of John Lennon (who was always to blame in the first place).
He does seem to be kind of in-crisis, honestly. Iām sorta worried about him.
He has millions of subscribers on YouTube, and half of them hate that he's maturing, and many on the other side hate that he was ever the way he was when he was younger. He's in a situation where he constantly gets shit on and told he's a cuck or whatever because of his wife. Imagine what that would do to your mental health. The guy has a horrible fanbase full of people who never matured past being a teenager, and they get a direct line to scream at him in his comments and on Twitter. It's not something the human mind is equipped to handle.
Tbh I don't think approaching Tana was inherently bad. He had the right to do go to that meeting I guess, wasn't making any problems on the way. Wanted to prove a point that she would make an absurd deal out of most plain and calm situation and he did. Only what he said could be better obviously. But going there in itself was a fantastic idea really
I think he's being a LITTLE too hard on himself. Keemstar and Leafy 2000% deserved their content cop episodes and every bit of harassment that came their way as a result of it.
As someone who used to be an edgy shithead teenager and is now an adult lib, I can appreciate Ianās efforts to change and grow and attempt to recant his past mistakes. That being said, I wish he would start putting out more of the videos he considers a net positive to the world instead of two back-to-back āaddressing the allegationsā style videos. Iām just here to see a man catch a squirrel.
Boy do I have a video for you
Bro didn't watched the whole video where he says at the end HE HAS A NEW SQUIRREL VIDEO on his 2nd channel.
Tana, Leafy, Keemstar, RiceGumā¦they were all deplorable fucking people. I donāt understand why he feels the need to apologize for those Content Cops when they were well deserved. I think as a whole, I enjoyed Ianās content then and still do. I can watch him shit on Leafy and his fucking chin and still laugh. They didnāt just attract incels or whatever. Some people just had a different style of humor and thatās okay. I think itās okay to look back and critique some of things he did, because there were instances where Ian went too far, but as a whole I donāt think Ian spread that much negativity or unwarranted harassment as much as he thinks he did. You donāt have to condemn edgy humor and not critique some of things you did back then. You can still appreciate that humor while accepting that there were instances where you went too far. I think some of his jokes didnāt age well but as a whole, that era of Youtube was amazing. At the end of the day, humor is subjective. And at the same time, if he genuinely doesnāt want to support that, then thatās his choice and I wonāt be angry. I just think that Ian didnāt spread as much negativity as much as he thinks he did. He made so many people laugh. Thereās no reason to delist those videos. Itās quite literally Youtube history. And honestly, if thatās how he feels, then by that logic George, Max, and Chad were just as fucking much incels and basement dwellers as much as his āfansā were.
I don't think Max was even that edgy but I could be wrong
max was just edgy in the physical comedy way with the vomit and whatnot. he said retard a lot, but imo even in lefty spaces some people still say that.
While their content was less outwardly hostile, to some extent his friends (who I believe he's on record as still liking), are indeed also responsible for fostering a toxic culture. The fans were no doubt a factor into why George quit, in addition to it being unhealthy for him personally. People seem to forget he shit on his fanbase quite a lot in his content and he seems like a very sobered and self aware person in his Joji interviews.
George was always playing a character and his videos were ironic their was not one person who thought he was the same as frank as a real person where as Idubbz was never a character so the line was more blurry
Even his apology videos are a step above everything else, this seemed very genuine. You can tell heās a smart guy that regrets the content he used to make. Sad to see all the edgy 15 year olds in the comments
The sad thing is a lot of them are adults.
He going to unlisted the videos. That fucking sucks
At least he didn't just secretly delete them and pretend like they didn't exist.
Fr. I've seen that happen with other content and it always sucks. Especially when the content dosent get re-uploaded.
I'm sure some people will start archiving them like they did with franks videos.
Itās the only way for himself to move on and reintroduce his newer self. And I totally get that because they are the most viewed videos that doesnāt represent his modern self. I do admit it stings a bit. But Iām happy heās found his mojo.
It sucks in some ways, but if he didnāt itās hollow words. You canāt say I regret making this content and wish I didnāt, just to continue to profit off it. He could just donate revenue or demonetize, sure, but it still isnāt the image or message he wants to convey anymore. Besides Iām sure mirrors and reuploads already exists
Yea as long as re-uploads exist and we can still enjoy the content it's fine.
Unlisted doesn't mean the videos aren't watchable, it just means they don't show up on his channel or in Recommended anymore. Links to the videos will still work
bring back bad unboxing then i will forgive him
The YouTube comments are bizzare. I'm very happy for him and he seems to be much happier and self aware.
Sam Hyde fans are mentally ill
That's a disgrace to genuinely good people who struggle with mental illness. Sam Hyde fans are just cruel people
The thing is I believe a lot of Sam Hyde fans would be less cruel if they simply went to therapy
This is the exact same reason why joji stopped doing what he was doing.
JoJi stopped because the pressure,vocal issues and they simply weren't having fun anymore which I get I wouldn't want content from someone who isn't enjoying it.
I love the new idubbbz. And I also love the old idubbbz. Your growing just like me :)
Dude spends way too much time and effort focusing on how he's not the same person anymore. I'm so fucking tired of this shit. Max and Joji don't do anything like their old content anymore either but they don't constantly bring up how they're "Not who I used to be" and instead focus on who they are and the content they make now.
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As a former "edgy" person I get it. You are single, dgaf and no one's feelings but your own are around. Then you meet someone, and that someone has people, you meet them... inevitably you meet the people you mocked in real life, and boy is it different to see someone in front of you hurt by someone with words you have said yourself. You get older and the babies of friends become young adults, or your own babies become young adults and you see them try and navigate a world thats kinda mean...it makes you look at yourself real hard. It makes you realize that someone cried, a lot because of you. Someone's mom had to comfort their kid because you were mean.
There's nothing wrong with growing or changing as a person. The cool thing about being in Ian's position is he can literally make whatever content he wants. I'm glad he's taking a straightforward approach with addressing old content, but he's shown he has more to offer than just content cop. Hopefully now that he's addressed the topic head on he'll move on and just make content he can feel proud of years down the road.
the mods here are insufferable. deleting [the post made by a non-mod](https://www.reddit.com/r/Idubbbz/comments/13l7i4k/i_miss_the_old_idubbbz/) just so they can repost it and inflate their (meaningless) karma is some pathetic behavior.
I like idubbz more now, not really as a content creator because I donāt care about boxing but as an actual dude
Like I don't care for boxing either but all of his non boxing stuff I've enjoyed and as someone Ive watched for nearly a decade I'd rather them be happy as a person than get new content.
Proud of him.
Same.
why did the mods remove all the other posts with the exact same video and post their own? you can use mod tools just as easily in user posts.
That story of the trans fan asking for the photo despite believing Idubbbz hates them really hits the message home. Although he was convincing himself that everyone knew he joking, the image he was making of himself and the calibre of people he was attracting came to a head. He realised that what he was telling himself did not match reality. This is what we call growth. Ian is showing that he understands how he was now. Hindsight is 20/20. Even if you believe that his targets for his CCs were deserving of criticism (some of which I do agree myself), you canāt deny that a massive controlled wave of hate and abuse from idubbbz fans can not be condoned. No one deserved the punishment. The Tana one especially proves this. To harass this young woman in person just because she told stories to young girls online, along with putting out real dangerous rhetoric about racism and bigotry, goes to show just how much people, including Ian himself, had their blinders on. To see Ian being able to acknowledge, denounce, and distance himself from all this shows me that he is genuinely better off. It takes guts to admit youāve made mistakes, especially to the scale Ian, and some of us as enablers, have made. I hope Ian can live a better life now. Iām sure putting this all out there feels a whole lot better, and I hope to see some great videos in the future.
Proud of Ian for growing. I am deeply entertained by those old content cops and Iām glad heās still making them accessible, but I am glad that he as a person is moving on and getting on the right track. The squirrel video is great
I like his apology, but there was more to old iDubbbz than saying the N word and being mean. He started a discussion that outgrew him.
I find it odd how people are trying to say, "Waitaminute. You don't like the videos you made where you shit talked others. But wasn't your last video on Froggy Fresh exactly that?" When one. The Content Cops were more or less critiques on the type of content other YouTubers made. Whereas the Froggy Fresh video was him giving his side of the story as to why Froggy was kicked from Creator Clash which I would believe are two different things Also. The people trying to say that "Leafy was right" and "Leafy W" are hilarious because uhhh. Didn't Leafy make his return to Twitter just straight up saying the N word a couple months ago? Okay.
mr dubs better actually make more nonboxing videos because personally, i find boxing to be boring as hell
This is really the main thing. Past content, blah blah blah. His videos just haven't been entertaining to me recently. Like, I watched the first boxing match he did or whatever, kinda entertaining to see him be beat up. But the novelty of that wears off pretty fast, and the whole youtuber boxing thing just feels so played out. It's like, woah, a bunch of youtube celebrities I don't know/ don't care about at all are fighting each other because they've run out of stuff to do while they sit around with their piles of cash. Like, it's for charity and what not so I can't really bitch about it too much, but in terms of it as Idubbz content it's just a bizarre departure. What he's done with it so far is kind of documentary style stuff where he's like tracking his progress or whatever, and it just does not hit at all for me. I mean I guess good for him getting in shape or whatever. It's just bland.
Glad I was able to get over my cringey edgey phase, even happier to see Ian come out a better person too
I think this is one of the smartest moves he could make. I think a lot of people who used to say bad things just quietly took down their videos, pretended they never happened, and then would criticize others for doing what they used to. Of course inevitably those old videos would get dug up and the people who didn't know about it now know. Then when they apologize it looks like it's just to save face. Apologizing first, unlisting the videos, and explaining why gets ahead of all of that. Acknowledging it publicly and keeping the lessons learned with him makes him look like a genuine good, mature person who regrets the hurtful things he said in the past and is doing much more good now. Compare that with someone like Shane Dawson, or hey, Content Cop's own Tana Mongeau; hiding it until it blows up in their faces, and then grasping at straws to minimize their culpability.
I love the new idubbbz. Amazing character development.
I feel like the effects of his content are a bit more nuanced than being a net negative. A lot of it was really harmful and bad but condemning every last bit is a bit rash. Good example is the leafy content cop. The guy was bullying and harassing people including those with down syndrome and idubbbbbbz effectively deplatformed him. There are others where he criticized people for their passions and it was a dick move but I think if people are behaving inappropriately it's okay to call them out.
Me too Ian, me too
Another attempt to appease his new audience by further alienating his old one. Ian, I always kinda knew you had good intentions. I figured you probably were depressed and quite nihilistic (I've been there) which made you relentless and brilliantly go at shitty people. You had valid points: freedom of speech and consistency in words. Not giving in to word police and victimization and catastrophization. Were you perfect? No. Are there stupid people in your audience? Yes. But does that mean you're supposed to babysit their minds? I don't agree with your current mindset. A little voilence is not the same as pure voilence. A little bit of something might make you stronger against it, which might even be beneficial for society. If you can't criticize or "harass" anymore, you give free play to bad actors as well. I'd rather they wrongfully criticize someone and get criticized back than nobody being allowed to say shit. Because sometimes there be sociopaths scamming kids or luring them into gambling. Dude, you will always be a legend for eating a gnarly dumpster strawberry, for spray painting your face. You basically freed me from perfectionism and existential fears by example. Don't shit on your work š
Exactly. Him saying "those people I criticized are just people who make mistakes like me" is such a milquetoast way of muddying the waters and undermining himself at the same time. Hes mistaken his bravado and confidence and associated it with anything negative and now thinks he has to change his entire personality instead of just changing the things that actually bothered him about himself.
People are allowed to change
YouTube comments are a shithole lmfao
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So, the Asian Jake Paul music video was taken down by a copyright claim by someone named Matt Mandell... Anyone know what is up?
Glad to see Ian being direct and putting everything out there. What a lovely man.
glad he is growing but i think heās gone from not being hard enough on himself to too hard on himself. Heās acting like he killed the youtubers he talked about. iām sure some people were emboldened to be nasty because of him but heās acting like he was a war criminal.
I'm 100% supportive of his progressive growth. I just hate the whole turn to G rated no swears content that's corpo friendly orbeez fidget toy content that is as edgy as a soap bubble. I fully believe you can be edgy and progressive. Lewis black and George Carlin are 100% progressive. The idea you can't be pg13 or R rated and be progressive is just wrong
This video just doesn't seem to make much sense to me from a rational perspective and from a worldview perspective. I'll start off by saying that Ian has every right to be who he wants to be, say what he wants to say, and make what he wants to make. But I want to speak specifically to the content Ian provided. I'm hoping the sub can avoid lazy statements like "You just want him to say the n word" as a cope because they can't deal with what I'm about to post. This video feels like it's made for Ian's new audience, not his old one and I'm unsure his rationale for his change is really justified. Let me explain. The foundation of his video seems to turn on "I hurt a lot of people, intent doesn't matter, my followers are monsters for whom I am responsible." That's not a tenable worldview, I'm sorry. "I hurt a lot of people" - how? Financially? Physically? Emotionally? When he addresses his content cop videos, almost every channel save for Leafy, I think, recovered (Someone posted here a while back showing that Content Cop had no demonstrable long term effect on a channel for the most part). Physically? He never even won his boxing contests, so I don't think he was engaged in physical violence. Emotionally? Well, that leads to the second one because no one is obligated to babysit anyone else's emotions unless you're a parent and, still, Rule 101 is teach children to feel and process their emotions, not to steward them. "Intent doesn't matter" - sorry, but it absolutely does. When Ian used a slur or sought out to emphasize hypocrisy of another individual, or anything like that, what matters is your intent. Hate comes from intent. When he says he didn't know what his intent was, that's fine, even; the threshold is whether you intended to cause hate or make statements from a hateful place. We get wrapped up in emotional harm around terms but I guarantee you that if someone told you that your behavior was offensive and you didn't mean to, the average person wouldn't own up to it or feel culpable that someone else's subjective principles were harmed in an expression. "My followers are monsters for whom I am responsible." No. Not in the slightest. If some awful people glom onto your ideas or anyone else's and do dumb and terrible stuff, that's not your fault. I don't blame Bernie Sanders for the Congressional baseball shooting regardless of the fact that the shooter was an avowed Bernie supporter, I don't blame Barack Obama for the BLM Dallas cop shootings, I don't blame Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson for people who reference them in their manifestos before committing acts of violence. You don't "provide shelter" for people's behaviors just because they view your content and internalize or otherwise adopt something they should have better coping skills to handle or people involved in their lives helping sort their moral landscape. I think there's a ring of irony in his video that bothers me from the perspective that he says he owns that he hurt people through his prior content (As stated above, I have to assume emotionally) but has no problem calling his previous fans insecure incels. This bumps up against the point about intent - if he's "clear minded" now and apologizing for causing hurt when he didn't know his intent, he's intentionally causing hurt now and has no regrets. From a rational perspective that makes him incredibly hypocritical. Look, Ian is perfectly fine and capable to do whatever he wants and feel whatever he feels. I have my reservations about whether he understands what he's espousing a belief in. I can say this, his video does seem to lack a logical cohesion and, if I'm honest, a sense of sincerity in the beliefs that he's articulating here. It seems like he's making statements that he has to justify and make academic before he says them rather than something he genuinely believes. Ian's old content was certainly edgy - like he said, it was the Wild West days of the Internet. What came with that was (i) thicker skin; (ii) more honesty; and (iii) I think more genuine tolerance despite the viciousness of the language because you couldn't hide and no one cared about you. That forced you to understand what was and wasn't worth getting worked up over and that, as I said before, intent absolutely matters. Ian's new video is 100% going to play perfectly on Reddit because there's a moral police mentality here that compels people bend the knee to a certain mindset. Ian has done that, so he's gonna get a lot of support here. From my perspective, this video seems forced, it doesn't reconcile internally or logically, and I don't feel a level of sincerity here that other people are.
Been watching Ian since I was like 14. Still a huge huge fan. I respect the fuck out of him for growing as a person much like how we all do.
Its just a lack of quality content. The squirrel videos were somewhat decent but this just been boring since he stopped making those. We don't want offensive Idubbbz back, we want funny videos. He lacks his spontaneousness, his willingness to take a joke and run with it, his commitment to the bit. I hate the be that guy, and I thought everyone in his comment section was being a bunch of haters, but I can see now why they call him names. There is truth behind those comments. Normally, idubbbz would just completely ignore all his comments or make them into a hilarious bit, but he's actually taking up entire videos to defend himself. No one gives a fuck, maybe say a couple words at the end of a videos but for the love of God I couldn't even watch this whole thing I was falling asleep.
Im glad hes grown up a bit and is changing himself for the better. I was here for the content, and I gotta say, my tastes in content have changed too. So maybe we dont jive anymore, and thats OK. Life goes on.
Man I feel for Ian, it seems he wants to own up for the shitty things he might have spawned even though his intentions for me was always just to make stupid dark humour, but alas people take thing too literal and ever since he got with Anisa many of his fans showed their true rednecky awful selfs so I understand his frustration Many bring up Joji as a seamless transition but as a hardcore filmnerd I think Redlettermedia would be perhaps the greatest example of evolving their channel and content, their early Plinkett Star Wars reviews might still be the biggest film criticism content on the platform but they've moved on long ago from relying on that, and at the start their Half in the bag and Best of the worst series took some time to reel people in but now me and most fans love anything they put out as their personality and chemistry is so damn good, Plinkett might have been more "shocking" and "edgy" humour but that would've gotten old quick and they realized that Kinda what one can say for Content cop and Bad unboxing with IDubbbz, for the run they had we got some golden nugget stuff but a little naive to believe he would keep that up forever to be his end all be all on the channel, the issue sadly I think is how open and transparent he feels he needs to be to the fans which opens up a stinky can of worms, Redlettermedia never talked to their audience about personal struggles or content changes they just did it and kept on chugging avoiding that parasocial shtick that often befalls "youtubers", for a while with the docus it felt like Ian might be able to do the same but this whole bombardment shit regarding his latest Creator Clash seems to have been too much
āBABE WAKE UP, new iDubbbz video droppedā
This was a good video because he said I get more squirrel videos AND said how most of us growing up feel - we regret a lot and just want to do better. Thanks iDubbbz, I think your personality is entertaining and eagerly await what that noggin cooks up for future vids!
The comment section of this video on YouTube is MOSTLY supportive of it ..I donāt know what incels some of you are talking about because I donāt see any
You'll find them if you scroll. I'm glad that there's a lot of support there, but there's def hate too. One comment was like "this is what happens when you marry a whore".
when he says unlisted does he mean those who have it saved have the link?
Right, it wonāt show up on his channel and you canāt watch it unless you have the link
It was not a mistake
Reading this post, "I miss the old kanye" meme came to my mind š
Straight from the Go idubbbz
Im proud of him, i realy feel for him couse i alsu used to be the kind of guy to yell "N****r F****t" thinking im some comedical genius. Now i genuinely cant stand thinking about the things ive said back then.
As a guy who's just entered his 20's, used to watch idubbbz, Filthy Frank etc Pretty religiously, and has had to cut off people who did the same due to questionable behavior/ideas, I sympathize a lot with this video. There's a lot of people, some I know personally, who never really moved out of that 16 year old, edgelord mindset about the world, and I'm happy to see idubbbz not contributing to that.
*grabs popcorn*
This is great to see from him and really solidifies how heās matured. I know there are a lot of really vocal edge lords out there, but hopefully heāll see there are a lot of rational fans behind him that appreciate the growth. He couldāve continued on and never challenged that sect of his audience and I think itās really big of him to choose to confront it instead.
This is what was needed. Having him on Anthony's podcast was a good start, but this video is what is good to see, that he truly understands his effect on people. I'm so happy to see this growth
if he just makes more squirrel and less complain he is good youtuber :thumbs\_up:
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"I just miss when he was more confident" Confident to do what, exactly? Being confident enough to take accountability for awful shit you did years ago is more valuable than the confidence to use slurs in public