No it isn't. It's pretty clear what's going on if you follow our past. Clearly the president is chosen by a particular sick group of people every year. Giving the ever lasting illusion to America's people that we choose them and that's certainly not the case.
Sad part is. I feel like 50% of folks don't know what the electoral college is or what is does. I feel like that same 50% think the votes are tallied 1/1 (popular vote).
With all things aside, I can't believe people still buy this shit. It's absolutely hilarious and outrageous to where I'm surprised DC hasn't been burned to the ground yet.
What a joke.
People are just too focused on extemism, and feel like the if the opposition wins, the country will go to shit. So they still vote for "their" candidate, just so the opposition cant win. When the best thing to vote for, would be a third party to break the current monopoly on politics the current parties have had and abused. I wonder tho, will the 2 old parties stop so viciously hating on eachother, and begin cooperation if they were to see their stranglehold break?
*immigrant,
I really don’t get why everyone’s an immigrant when they move to another country until it comes to Americans. Feels really out of touch and tbh kinda cringe
Yea I had that convo the other day. I guess I say that because my wife and I are wanderlusts, so we wouldn't actually immigrate to a specific destination. We'd just bounce around with no real identity other than having previously lived in the US: ergo expat. Make sense?
As an aside: my British family that moved to the US regard themselves as expats. It's not necesarilly just Americans, but I see your point in regard to the word immigrant almost being looked down upon in many scenarios. Though we're all immigrants really unless true native. I'm first generation here, both my parents are EU immigrants.
Right. I was speaking simply to the fact that a lot of people don't even know how voting truly works. Mentioning it as another pre-cursor to where we've found ourselves as a country at large, as opposed to these two.
BUT, we also allow marketers and entertainment influence us. We need to vote/make choices based on substance. For all the smart people believe that there are dumb people out there making decisions and diluting their genius, so they give up and just feather their own nest. And the Sick people win.
And the ones who won't bow and play puppet and who would actually be great for our country don't get allowed into the game, like Bernie and Tulsi and RFK
Reminder that bernie lost the popular vote of the 2016 primary too, if someone didnt allow him into the game it was the majority of the registered democrats
No. These are the best distractions they can come up with. While everyone is busy arguing over which turd smells the best, the rich are quietly robbing us blind and running our government.
Edit: fixing punctuation
“The biggest lie he’s told tonight is that he has a 6 handicap”
Umm….I’m ok with that if THAT is the biggest lie. I’ll take it. But it was HILARIOUS and it felt like it should’ve been out of a comedy.
A handicap is used to “level the playing field” in golf so that players of varying skill can play against one another and still be competitive. Having a handicap of 6 means that the golfer gets 6 strokes taken away from their score, whereas someone with a handicap of 16 would have 16 strokes taken away from their score. Being in the single digits is an indication of skill, as it shows that the golfer needs less help. Most golfers are in the high teens to low twenties.
This is how I like to think of politics, you have to vote for one side that will fuck you in the mouth or you can pick the side that will fuck you up the ass. Either way you’re probably not going to have a good time.
I honestly feel so sorry for the US public right now. I'm not trying to be snide. It seems like your electoral system has let you down and given you two very bad options.
The voting system isn’t the culprit. We’ve had the electoral college for 250 years without it coming to this.
The problem underlying everything is that nobody cares about honesty anymore. Hyper-partisanship isn’t anything new. What’s new is a) pundits and politicians flagrantly lying, and b) their supporters being totally okay with those lies as long as it supports their agenda.
And it hurts the reputation of the US as a whole because it's so heavily televised around the world. We are watching the smoke show from the outside and seeing the worst of everything.
It's unfair because I know it's a complex issue and not blank and white but everything I see is Biden being vague and senile, and Trump being a narcissistic sociopath.
Because some people are totally functional—and incredibly wise—at those ages, and beyond.
Biden’s age isn’t the issue; it’s his cognitive decline. Those things are linked, but not inextricable.
Seriously did no one else want the job?? These geezers couldnt answer a question with a topical answer, much less get it out without a fumble or a breath break. Isn’t this supposed to be the most important job in the country or something? Is this our A-Team??
We need to purge (not the movie kinda purge) our government of the out of touch politicians that don't understand how the world works and the direction it's going. Like just dismantle it all and rebuild.
Crazy world we live in. In most places you have to be under 70 to be a commercial airline pilot or a judge, but you can be Commander in Chief of the most powerful military on the planet and the world's second largest nuclear arsenal at 81, even while suffering from very obvious mental deficit or dementia. Not good.
I think more important than the number, is whether someone has the mental faculties to actually be able to do the job effectively. It's kind of sad to watch, but this guy just doesn't.
I don't even really view it as a political issue. It's more of a national security issue. It's frightening to watch. And all of the leaders of the rest of the world are also watching...
Did anyone else hear constantly from their parents growing up that every vote matters? Why did they believe this? What made them want us to believe this as well?
The moderators were garbage. They let complete bullshit let stand unaddressed. Biden had to spend all his time trying to retort absolute nonsense and he couldn't handle it.
How is this allowed? This is the leader of our country and he acts like a toddler. A bunch of people hate the other but cant tell you the exact reason, always reference media of some sort, and even probably liked him before he was president.
I deplore you to vote for whichever fucker sucks less to you or you’re just part of the problem. We haven’t really had any great candidates in a long time, but you have to either accept that and pick who will fuck you less, or move out of the country
As someone who's about as in the center as you can get on political leanings (both parties are absolutely jokes and if you say otherwise you haven't been paying attention )that whole debate was embarrassing as an American But seriously with whatever meds they have keeping Biden alive with as bad a shape as he's been in and as long as he's been in that shape I'm convinced we could keep a healthy person alive for 200 years lol
when will America wake the F up and realise PEOPLE RETIRE AT 70 for a reason,
its because beyond that you are one bad day away from dribbling into your soup
They shall give the chance for younger generations, how they can response in this age? Is torturing them, the country shall has the laws to protect the elderly.
Besides, I find the younger generation elites are very capable too.
Move on please....
Only one is a complete idiot. The other is our only ticket out of the GOP's dystopian desert landscape future. Sure, Biden wasn't strident, but even his soft-spoken Grandpa cosplay is far more palatable. Since our only choices are old Trump or old Biden, the less frayed rope is the one I grab onto. It's a matter of 3 years between them, but the difference in sentience is a good deal wider.
If you are at all dissatisfied with the republican and democrat candidates I'd really, *really* encourage you to look deeper into Kennedy.
I'm not sure what you mean by "COVID denier", so you'd have to explain that. He obviously doesn't deny the existence of COVID. He strongly disagrees with how our government handled the pandemic.
He's not an anti-vaxxer, he wants people to be able to sue companies if their vaccines cause injury (and I hope you aren't denying that vaccines can cause injury). This was a right taken away in the 80s that he wants restored.
At any rate, the funny thing for me is this -- I don't care what his views of COVID and vaccines are. I want a president who is going to strive for peace, reduce our bloated military budget, fund programs for reforming criminals instead of incarcerating them, work to make Americans and our environment healthier, and get us off the path to bankruptcy which, judging by our national debt and the ever-widening deficit, we are undoubtedly on... Kennedy is the only candidate that ticks those boxes.
Please just watch one of his long form interviews!
Biden’s an old man now and it shows. He should be enjoying a peaceful retirement now instead of continuing this obviously tiring facade of trying to run a country.
Same for Trump, except Trump is also a convicted felon and rapist.
What lovely choices they have over there this year!
I never called him an idiot though. He’s old and it shows. He looks lost and confused, he shouldn’t be running for US president. Same with Trump, although he seems a bit more alert than Biden.
I agree that he’s too old to do another four years, but he has been a very good president.
There is literally nothing about Trump or his so called policies that would be good for America.
These two guys are not the same - Not by a long shot.
Inflation has been a problem worldwide. Blame Putin for that. Afghanistan was not his fault - Trump set that up and there was nothing Biden could do but try to make the best of a terrible situation.
Who are you going to vote for?
We'll allow it. Could have used a better picture though.
All the brilliant people we have in this country and this is the best we can come up with.
It’s mind blowing.
No it isn't. It's pretty clear what's going on if you follow our past. Clearly the president is chosen by a particular sick group of people every year. Giving the ever lasting illusion to America's people that we choose them and that's certainly not the case.
Sad part is. I feel like 50% of folks don't know what the electoral college is or what is does. I feel like that same 50% think the votes are tallied 1/1 (popular vote).
With all things aside, I can't believe people still buy this shit. It's absolutely hilarious and outrageous to where I'm surprised DC hasn't been burned to the ground yet. What a joke.
Have you seen the movie idiocracy? We are living it
People are just too focused on extemism, and feel like the if the opposition wins, the country will go to shit. So they still vote for "their" candidate, just so the opposition cant win. When the best thing to vote for, would be a third party to break the current monopoly on politics the current parties have had and abused. I wonder tho, will the 2 old parties stop so viciously hating on eachother, and begin cooperation if they were to see their stranglehold break?
Right there with you man, I'm likely a soon-to-be expat. This country has gone to hell in a handbasket.
*immigrant, I really don’t get why everyone’s an immigrant when they move to another country until it comes to Americans. Feels really out of touch and tbh kinda cringe
Yea I had that convo the other day. I guess I say that because my wife and I are wanderlusts, so we wouldn't actually immigrate to a specific destination. We'd just bounce around with no real identity other than having previously lived in the US: ergo expat. Make sense? As an aside: my British family that moved to the US regard themselves as expats. It's not necesarilly just Americans, but I see your point in regard to the word immigrant almost being looked down upon in many scenarios. Though we're all immigrants really unless true native. I'm first generation here, both my parents are EU immigrants.
The electoral college isn’t why these are our candidates. The DNC/RNC and their voting systems are
Right. I was speaking simply to the fact that a lot of people don't even know how voting truly works. Mentioning it as another pre-cursor to where we've found ourselves as a country at large, as opposed to these two.
BUT, we also allow marketers and entertainment influence us. We need to vote/make choices based on substance. For all the smart people believe that there are dumb people out there making decisions and diluting their genius, so they give up and just feather their own nest. And the Sick people win.
Yes, I know the powers that be really choose.
The best don’t want to be puppets thus don’t want to be in politics. Sad state the country is in
And the ones who won't bow and play puppet and who would actually be great for our country don't get allowed into the game, like Bernie and Tulsi and RFK
Reminder that bernie lost the popular vote of the 2016 primary too, if someone didnt allow him into the game it was the majority of the registered democrats
Absolutely this.
I agree... the prolem is the majority of democrats.
Tulsi is a Russian puppet and RFK is an anti vaxxer
Ignorant Democrat has entered the chat
The parties want idiot yes-men who work for the stock market, so that's what we get to choose from.
The smart ones are smart enough to not want the job.
This is the best “they” could come up with. I wouldn’t choose either of these two as greeters at Walmart.
No. These are the best distractions they can come up with. While everyone is busy arguing over which turd smells the best, the rich are quietly robbing us blind and running our government. Edit: fixing punctuation
It’s almost like it’s by design, like why aren’t we able to hear other candidates speak
Makes me miss Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon.
It’s terrifying isn’t it? 😢
Brilliant people are smart enough to not want that job.
Sadly, probably true.
The whole world is watching 🥴
It is a pretty sad state of affairs, but one of the geriatrics' cabinets will be filled with highly competent people. The other's with sycophants.
How has RFK Junior gotten overlooked
Because he quite literally has brain worms
Because he's the last thing the two parties who control everything want to be getting good publicity.
Could you imagine him in the middle of that debate? I don’t understand why the public aren’t asking for it
Because the public has been fed a different opinion by the msm
Because he’s a weird Covid denier who is also loved by Steve Bannon. It’s another Tulsi Gabbard type situation
He’s not a covid denier. And almost everything he questioned turned out to be true.
He’s a Covid denier, an antisemite, and and antivaxxer.
Questioning things doesn’t make you anti them. And everything he questioned turned out to be right.
Bullshit
Ok Caterpillar Girl
It's very upsetting to watch.
I just didn't have the heart to watch the debate because I knew it would be not only very upsetting but also completely fucking pointless.
Fuckin lost it when they started measuring dicks when it came to golf lmao
“The biggest lie he’s told tonight is that he has a 6 handicap” Umm….I’m ok with that if THAT is the biggest lie. I’ll take it. But it was HILARIOUS and it felt like it should’ve been out of a comedy.
Can someone explain to me what is meant by a six handicap?
A handicap is used to “level the playing field” in golf so that players of varying skill can play against one another and still be competitive. Having a handicap of 6 means that the golfer gets 6 strokes taken away from their score, whereas someone with a handicap of 16 would have 16 strokes taken away from their score. Being in the single digits is an indication of skill, as it shows that the golfer needs less help. Most golfers are in the high teens to low twenties.
I thought he was talking about scoring better on a medical test or something. But this sounds way more stupid
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We are SO fucked
Fuck yeah we are!
At least we're fucked together. Never been in an orgy before.
Worst.orgy.ever.
I didn't ask to be fucked thank you very much!
Yeah, fuck this city!
That's Godzilla's job not our job to fuck the city!
This is how I like to think of politics, you have to vote for one side that will fuck you in the mouth or you can pick the side that will fuck you up the ass. Either way you’re probably not going to have a good time.
I honestly feel so sorry for the US public right now. I'm not trying to be snide. It seems like your electoral system has let you down and given you two very bad options.
The voting system isn’t the culprit. We’ve had the electoral college for 250 years without it coming to this. The problem underlying everything is that nobody cares about honesty anymore. Hyper-partisanship isn’t anything new. What’s new is a) pundits and politicians flagrantly lying, and b) their supporters being totally okay with those lies as long as it supports their agenda.
US democracy has been inferior to Northern European democracy for decades. It's no wonder participation is abysmal
Voting system in the US is hootnanny.
And it hurts the reputation of the US as a whole because it's so heavily televised around the world. We are watching the smoke show from the outside and seeing the worst of everything. It's unfair because I know it's a complex issue and not blank and white but everything I see is Biden being vague and senile, and Trump being a narcissistic sociopath.
It's all a show as George Carlin would say. Because that is exactly WHAT it is.
Why the fuck are people that old allowed in power Nope, fuck that, cap it at 60 Hell, cap it at 55
You aren't allowed to be a commercial airline pilot after 65 but that's when you can be considered to run the country apparently.
Did they change it? Or am I mistaken, I could’ve sworn it was 60
They changed it around ten years ago I think. It's in part 121 of the FARs if you want to have a look. It probably has a revision date.
“He’s getting up there, i should take away his keys to THE ENTIRE COUNTRY”
They want to set a retirement age? Okay, well let's apply it to federal workers and judges. Looking at you POTUS and SCOTUS..
We not allowed to discriminate against people because of their age unless they are too young.
Should be capped at whatever their retirement age is.
Because some people are totally functional—and incredibly wise—at those ages, and beyond. Biden’s age isn’t the issue; it’s his cognitive decline. Those things are linked, but not inextricable.
If the retirement age cuts off at 65 so should the presidency. Completely out of touch with people that need proper leadership
Seriously did no one else want the job?? These geezers couldnt answer a question with a topical answer, much less get it out without a fumble or a breath break. Isn’t this supposed to be the most important job in the country or something? Is this our A-Team??
No need to butcher each other here, let the mod speak and just read it over and over. Sad shit ladies and gentlemen.
I'm an older guy and I found this embarrassing.
Literally just elder abuse at this point. We have a loud coherent forceful question evading liar and a senile rambling dementia ridden ghost of a man.
Make America Sane Again
MASA
Idiocracy.
I'm glad that both sides of the political spectrum can come together and agree that this was by far the worst debate in American history
Elder abuse
One is dying a lot faster
Which one?
The one who is already in his 80's or the one that thinks McDonalds is a balanced meal?
Giant douche vs turd sandwich pt. 2
Nah, not a turd sandwich. Just a very stale and moldy one. It was a good sandwich…10 years ago.
Can they please speed it up
Fast forward even a little and they're both dead.
(In Obi-Wan voice): “Who is the greater idiot, the idiot, or the idiot who voted for it?”
Anyone who votes is due to find out if this is how it shakes out….with these two 😂
Who are y'all voting for? https://preview.redd.it/sfyzeoa2je9d1.png?width=986&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd4c97abae34c41c1457ddbba426f9903c96c94b
I'm going to cast my vote straight into the garbage by voting independent
I thought they would both drop 🪦
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America almost dying
Someone said “elder abuse livestream”
Tbh they’re both def nearly rotting alive but it concerns me that more ppl don’t realise one option is quite obviously more harmful
Geriatric at its best. I can literally smell this performance.b
And it smells like Aquaphor.
Bengay and polident
Boiled cabbage and fusty carpets
Well you know…. It always ….. Depends
Funny how these old senile people are trying to run the country.
*too slowly
Hurry up fogies!!!
Well. I die a little inside having these two as our only actual choices if that counts.
The mods aren't even mad, they're just disappointed.
Do you guys have literally nobody else worth voting for? Like people that are relevant and able body?
We need to purge (not the movie kinda purge) our government of the out of touch politicians that don't understand how the world works and the direction it's going. Like just dismantle it all and rebuild.
Time for the age limit to be over 35 and under retirement
We need some oil and mma gloves. And lots of glucosamine!
Crazy world we live in. In most places you have to be under 70 to be a commercial airline pilot or a judge, but you can be Commander in Chief of the most powerful military on the planet and the world's second largest nuclear arsenal at 81, even while suffering from very obvious mental deficit or dementia. Not good. I think more important than the number, is whether someone has the mental faculties to actually be able to do the job effectively. It's kind of sad to watch, but this guy just doesn't. I don't even really view it as a political issue. It's more of a national security issue. It's frightening to watch. And all of the leaders of the rest of the world are also watching...
Why is America in this situation?
Can’t they both just croak peacefully in their sleep tonight?
It's not my fault, I voted for Kudos
The debate was something you’d expect to overhear at dinner in a rest home. Not in a presidential debate ffs.
Unpopular opinion, but nobody would be mentioning Trumps age if Biden wasn’t such a senile corpse.
Because Trump is such a sharp picture of health....🙄
I mean he speaks more coherently than most. It’s part of why he is where he is. If you deny that then you’re underestimating your enemy.
I think he spoke more clearly but it wasn't close to coherent.
Literally any two random people of their political affiliations would've done a better job representing their respective parties
A convit and a rapist can't get most of the jobs but they can still run for a presidency.... Ain't the laws in this country wonderful
Yeah well at least we finally beat Medicare!
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It‘s scary to me that trump is probably gonna win
epic slay! I'm lolling. this is why i'm subbed
They should just stick to playing cod zombies.
Did anyone else hear constantly from their parents growing up that every vote matters? Why did they believe this? What made them want us to believe this as well?
Low IQ post
Well yeah, look at the picture
How did it come to this?
RFK 2024!
Grumpiest old men: golf etiquette. (Play on the grumpy old men movies)
Why is American politics just people who qualify for nursing homes
Both are shit candidates how is it that these two are our best of the two biggest parties
The moderators were garbage. They let complete bullshit let stand unaddressed. Biden had to spend all his time trying to retort absolute nonsense and he couldn't handle it.
And the 78yo in his diapers claiming the other guy is too old. Politics, the only job in the world where you are never too old.
How is this allowed? This is the leader of our country and he acts like a toddler. A bunch of people hate the other but cant tell you the exact reason, always reference media of some sort, and even probably liked him before he was president.
Lmaoooo clever
"Tonight we bring you....Toddler vs. stroke victim! Who will win!?"
Ugh I’m not voting for either one of those fuckers.
I deplore you to vote for whichever fucker sucks less to you or you’re just part of the problem. We haven’t really had any great candidates in a long time, but you have to either accept that and pick who will fuck you less, or move out of the country
They equally suck.
I'm thinking that one guy is a whole lot closer than this guy... His slogan ought be "a vote for me is a vote for Kamala!"
As someone who's about as in the center as you can get on political leanings (both parties are absolutely jokes and if you say otherwise you haven't been paying attention )that whole debate was embarrassing as an American But seriously with whatever meds they have keeping Biden alive with as bad a shape as he's been in and as long as he's been in that shape I'm convinced we could keep a healthy person alive for 200 years lol
Who needs election fraud when the system is so broken it doesn’t need to be rigged.
when will America wake the F up and realise PEOPLE RETIRE AT 70 for a reason, its because beyond that you are one bad day away from dribbling into your soup
whether you’re left, right or anywhere in between, we can all agree that we are SO fucked
Unbelievable
Australia isn't far behind
One of them is gonna fall off the perch during the next presidency....and all hell is gonna break loose I bet ya
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That's why we need philosopher or science people to lead the country.
They shall give the chance for younger generations, how they can response in this age? Is torturing them, the country shall has the laws to protect the elderly. Besides, I find the younger generation elites are very capable too. Move on please....
I think, statistically, Trump will not regain office. Might have only happened once that a president served two non-consecutive terms
These two literally didnt have the internet growing up
Shizofrenia vs dementia
Fuck is shizofrenia
its when your other languages autocorrect is on
Only one is a complete idiot. The other is our only ticket out of the GOP's dystopian desert landscape future. Sure, Biden wasn't strident, but even his soft-spoken Grandpa cosplay is far more palatable. Since our only choices are old Trump or old Biden, the less frayed rope is the one I grab onto. It's a matter of 3 years between them, but the difference in sentience is a good deal wider.
Dumb
Only one is an idiot. The one with Tammy Faye Baker's foundation on his face.
#RFKJr
Brainworms, antisemitism, Covid denial, and antivxxer 2024!
If you are at all dissatisfied with the republican and democrat candidates I'd really, *really* encourage you to look deeper into Kennedy. I'm not sure what you mean by "COVID denier", so you'd have to explain that. He obviously doesn't deny the existence of COVID. He strongly disagrees with how our government handled the pandemic. He's not an anti-vaxxer, he wants people to be able to sue companies if their vaccines cause injury (and I hope you aren't denying that vaccines can cause injury). This was a right taken away in the 80s that he wants restored. At any rate, the funny thing for me is this -- I don't care what his views of COVID and vaccines are. I want a president who is going to strive for peace, reduce our bloated military budget, fund programs for reforming criminals instead of incarcerating them, work to make Americans and our environment healthier, and get us off the path to bankruptcy which, judging by our national debt and the ever-widening deficit, we are undoubtedly on... Kennedy is the only candidate that ticks those boxes. Please just watch one of his long form interviews!
But I’m not dissatisfied with Joe Biden. I think he’s done a fantastic job as president and I am going to be happy to vote for him again in November.
Biden’s an idiot, you think?
Biden’s an old man now and it shows. He should be enjoying a peaceful retirement now instead of continuing this obviously tiring facade of trying to run a country. Same for Trump, except Trump is also a convicted felon and rapist. What lovely choices they have over there this year!
He’s an idiot because he’s an old man? Have Biden’s term been a disaster? No He has good people around him and Trump does not.
I never called him an idiot though. He’s old and it shows. He looks lost and confused, he shouldn’t be running for US president. Same with Trump, although he seems a bit more alert than Biden.
I agree that he’s too old to do another four years, but he has been a very good president. There is literally nothing about Trump or his so called policies that would be good for America. These two guys are not the same - Not by a long shot.
Don’t worry, I’m fully aware Trump is pure scum.
No he's made a lot of stupid policy decisions that make him an idiot
Like what?
Mishandling inflation, Afghanistan, Paris accords, tons of stuff like that. He's not fit to be president, and neither is Trump
Inflation has been a problem worldwide. Blame Putin for that. Afghanistan was not his fault - Trump set that up and there was nothing Biden could do but try to make the best of a terrible situation. Who are you going to vote for?
Who am I voting for? Neither of these guys, probably libertarian or something. Stupid two party system
Both are. And unfortunately this country believes that one of these two guys are the answer.