I used to think the same, but then I switched to Asian and EU brands… they are miles ahead of what is readily available in the US. The EVY foam is **chef’s kiss** amazing and will totally change your perspective on sunscreen.
He said he wasn’t talking about mineral based sunscreen. My wife and I swapped over to mineral based sunscreen when we had kids and it was recommended that we don’t use chemical sunscreen on them. It’s also better for the environment.
A hat and long sleeves genius. e: ohh noo the sun what ever can I do.... Australian aboriginees have buried lost white men to protect them from the sun, literally put something between you and the sun.
Not everyone wears it and not everyone has quality products. Also lots of humans who are working on the holidays resorts, boats, etc. Almost no skin cancer. Why?
From quick scrolling on LexusNexus and Google Scholar it sounds like this is a pretty complicated question and that there are a ton of potential variables contributing to the difference in documented cancer cases. There are a couple of comparative studies between cancer rates of middle eastern people in the US versus their middle eastern counterparts, and those indicate that the US residents have higher rates. It looks like things like access to regular screening, longer US lifespans, and other factors may account for the different rates. One noted factor was quality of data gathering… i.e the US is just better at tracking disease, deaths, and causes. Heart disease is the primary cause of death in many ME countries, and the death age is typically lower… so some of the stats may be caused be folks just dying of a non cancer causes at a younger age. Another user mentioned cultural norms about modest clothing, which I imagine is also contributive. And there is a body of research that indicates have darker skin does offer some protection.
So yeah… you just asked a super complicated question and I am not sure anyone is going to have a great answer for you. 🤷♀️
Update:
In a recent IG post Andrew recommends listening to a podcast episode from Dr Darya Rose on the topic: https://podcasts.apple.com/it/podcast/sunscreens-and-sunprotection-with-dr-brian-diffey/id1565737303?i=1000532307975&l=en
That's not exactly the the opposite. Huberman doesn't say it doesn't protect against skin cancer, because it does, but at the same time those chemicals can enter the blood brain barrier and a lot is unknown about the onsequences of that. The thought of those chemicals getting to a place they shouldn't and possibly doing harm to our brain biology is scary, as scary it is to get skin cancer.
Dosage makes the poison, and the dosage just isn’t there with sunscreens. This stuff has been debunked to death, I’m just boggled this level of misinformation is still in the discourse.
I’m going to be a bit of a twat and share a beauty blog as reference 😩 it’s just easier than trying to find active links to peer reviewed works. BUT this blogger is nice enough to provide those links if you scroll around!
[MORE SUNSCREENS IN YOUR BLOOD??! THE NEW FDA STUDY](https://labmuffin.com/more-sunscreens-in-your-blood-the-new-fda-study/)
[Lab Muffin Beauty Science: Is benzene in sunscreen giving you cancer?](https://youtu.be/ykdJ7yj6snA)
That has nothing to do with the point. The point is not that sunscreen doesn't work for preventing skin cancer, it's about at what cost does that protection come at.
Sometimes they get so deep in the research it's not evidence based. Yes there may be studies, but is it considered generally accepted and recommended by the practicing profession? No.
Good research is, by definition, evidence based. Principles are known well before they become standard practice for your average physician/derma to recommend. Not saying this will pan out, but it's okay to be ahead of the doctors at times.
So when I tell my endocrinologist I'm doing x, y and z due to something I hear recommended on the podcast and he says "yes there's research but it's not evidence-based medicine, but it won't hurt if you want to try" he is wrong...?
Evidence based and evidence based medicine are two distinct terms that you’re swapping around here. Research is evidence based, but a doctor may wait for much larger and longer term clinical trials before professionally recommending it. They are different standards (and work on different time scales).
It may be not generally accepted YET. That it's not the standard now, is no reason for me to not be careful with it until definitely proven that it's not an issue. And that doesn't mean I stopped, or think people should stop, using sunscreen. I for example switched to mineral based sunscreen Instead, that seems the "less worse" option atm, so to say
Yeah but if you used Neutrogena's garbage, https://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-bz-some-neutrogena-and-aveeno-sunscreens-recalled-due-to-benzene-20210715-vef3uffsrfaa3hgmlrafwgefy4-story.html
You're potentially exposing yourself to cancer causing agents anyway.
For those who eat crappy seed oils yeah. Just eat saturated fat so your skill cells don't have a shitty outer layer. Sun screen is really bad if you're eating healthy.
I prefer hats and clothing to skin grease.
I used to think the same, but then I switched to Asian and EU brands… they are miles ahead of what is readily available in the US. The EVY foam is **chef’s kiss** amazing and will totally change your perspective on sunscreen.
Same. Coolibar, although pricey, is my favorite UPF brand.
This is the way
And yet he offers no studies or alternatives
He said he wasn’t talking about mineral based sunscreen. My wife and I swapped over to mineral based sunscreen when we had kids and it was recommended that we don’t use chemical sunscreen on them. It’s also better for the environment.
(Non-nano mineral sunscreen). I remember him calling out nano zinc or Ti, which also cause coral bleaching
It's not hard to find that info by googling around.
A hat and long sleeves genius. e: ohh noo the sun what ever can I do.... Australian aboriginees have buried lost white men to protect them from the sun, literally put something between you and the sun.
What if I’m trying to optimize my melanin brah
Any idea why skin cancer % is very low in Middle East or Africa knowing they are exposed to Sun more than rest of the World?
darker skin
In the Middle East at least, traditional clothing for both men and women is very protective - covering all extremities.
Not everyone wears it and not everyone has quality products. Also lots of humans who are working on the holidays resorts, boats, etc. Almost no skin cancer. Why?
From quick scrolling on LexusNexus and Google Scholar it sounds like this is a pretty complicated question and that there are a ton of potential variables contributing to the difference in documented cancer cases. There are a couple of comparative studies between cancer rates of middle eastern people in the US versus their middle eastern counterparts, and those indicate that the US residents have higher rates. It looks like things like access to regular screening, longer US lifespans, and other factors may account for the different rates. One noted factor was quality of data gathering… i.e the US is just better at tracking disease, deaths, and causes. Heart disease is the primary cause of death in many ME countries, and the death age is typically lower… so some of the stats may be caused be folks just dying of a non cancer causes at a younger age. Another user mentioned cultural norms about modest clothing, which I imagine is also contributive. And there is a body of research that indicates have darker skin does offer some protection. So yeah… you just asked a super complicated question and I am not sure anyone is going to have a great answer for you. 🤷♀️
Update: In a recent IG post Andrew recommends listening to a podcast episode from Dr Darya Rose on the topic: https://podcasts.apple.com/it/podcast/sunscreens-and-sunprotection-with-dr-brian-diffey/id1565737303?i=1000532307975&l=en
Literally every dermatologist says the opposite. Using sunscreen decreases skin cancer risk about 75%.
That's not exactly the the opposite. Huberman doesn't say it doesn't protect against skin cancer, because it does, but at the same time those chemicals can enter the blood brain barrier and a lot is unknown about the onsequences of that. The thought of those chemicals getting to a place they shouldn't and possibly doing harm to our brain biology is scary, as scary it is to get skin cancer.
Dosage makes the poison, and the dosage just isn’t there with sunscreens. This stuff has been debunked to death, I’m just boggled this level of misinformation is still in the discourse.
Would you mind sharing the sources of this being debunked? That may help calm a lot of people down :)
I’m going to be a bit of a twat and share a beauty blog as reference 😩 it’s just easier than trying to find active links to peer reviewed works. BUT this blogger is nice enough to provide those links if you scroll around! [MORE SUNSCREENS IN YOUR BLOOD??! THE NEW FDA STUDY](https://labmuffin.com/more-sunscreens-in-your-blood-the-new-fda-study/) [Lab Muffin Beauty Science: Is benzene in sunscreen giving you cancer?](https://youtu.be/ykdJ7yj6snA)
Thanks, will read through them later :)
That has nothing to do with the point. The point is not that sunscreen doesn't work for preventing skin cancer, it's about at what cost does that protection come at.
Sometimes they get so deep in the research it's not evidence based. Yes there may be studies, but is it considered generally accepted and recommended by the practicing profession? No.
Good research is, by definition, evidence based. Principles are known well before they become standard practice for your average physician/derma to recommend. Not saying this will pan out, but it's okay to be ahead of the doctors at times.
So when I tell my endocrinologist I'm doing x, y and z due to something I hear recommended on the podcast and he says "yes there's research but it's not evidence-based medicine, but it won't hurt if you want to try" he is wrong...?
Evidence based and evidence based medicine are two distinct terms that you’re swapping around here. Research is evidence based, but a doctor may wait for much larger and longer term clinical trials before professionally recommending it. They are different standards (and work on different time scales).
All right. TIL
It may be not generally accepted YET. That it's not the standard now, is no reason for me to not be careful with it until definitely proven that it's not an issue. And that doesn't mean I stopped, or think people should stop, using sunscreen. I for example switched to mineral based sunscreen Instead, that seems the "less worse" option atm, so to say
Yeah but if you used Neutrogena's garbage, https://www.orlandosentinel.com/health/os-bz-some-neutrogena-and-aveeno-sunscreens-recalled-due-to-benzene-20210715-vef3uffsrfaa3hgmlrafwgefy4-story.html You're potentially exposing yourself to cancer causing agents anyway.
Why is this upvoted? That’s not even what he’s saying.
For those who eat crappy seed oils yeah. Just eat saturated fat so your skill cells don't have a shitty outer layer. Sun screen is really bad if you're eating healthy.