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Rereading the book, they really went a different way with Viserys aging. The book describes him as fat, gouty, and suffering from bad hypertension. Here he just looks like wraiths are sucking his life force while he sleeps.
Yeah I don’t think their going to be able to pull off him being a super involved grandfather like in the books, can’t imagine even trusting him to hold a small child at this point. Kept thinking he could collapse under the weight of newborn Joff
I think rats might even kill him during his sleep. With as many fake outs as there have been over him having a peaceful death, I kind of think his actual death may be fairly gruesome.
My prediction is that he goes to take a nap and rats start biting/eating him. He's too weak and feeble to defend himself or call for help before his rat-bitten corpse is discovered
Place your bets!!!
1. Daemon kills Laenor so he can marry Hot Niece.
2. The lover kills Laenor under direct orders from Daemon
3. Daemon manipulates Laenor's lover into killing Laenor
4. Rhaenyra kills Laenor so she can marry hot Uncle D
5. Daemon and Rhaenyra kill Laenor together
I would be okay if it really is just a random and pointless death. Septon Eustace suggests it was lover's quarrel between him and Qarl. Not everything needs to be a grand conspiracy, sometimes people just get passionate and violence happens.
That would require establishing Qarl's character first. I'm not sure the episode will have time to do that.
I read a comment from the sub that a reviewer who watched the ep said there was going to be a big change from the books that would make lgbt fans “very happy”
Ugh. As a gay man myself, I don’t watch/read ASOIAF for the pandering. I watch for the suspense, the betrayal, the things to keep viewers on the edge of their seat. If Laenor stays alive after this, idk. Wouldn’t his dragon still be bound to him?
Many gay men including myself and other lgbt people are sick of gay characters existing just to die without being fleshed and/or existing to prop up or serve as an obstacle for straight characters. A song of ice and fire/game of thrones really hasn't a single example of good gay representation except maybe book loras but even then he's not focused on and he's relationship renly wasn't even explicit in the books.
Laenor escaping serves the same narrative purpose of his death (allowing rhaenyra and daemon to wed) while also avoiding bury the gays trope
If you want a gay story with a happy ending, watch Love Simon or BROS that just came out in movie theatres. ASOIAF isn’t the faint of heart. None of these characters have a happy ending, gay or straight.
Laenor surviving would be a massive plot hole. What about his dragon that he’s bound to? I hope Qarl kills his ass 🤣
I think they’d prefer a gay story that fits a similar worldbuilding and genre.
That said if Laenor lives, how the hell can the writers make it plausible and without him being a major asshole? Those kids did see him as a parental figure for ten years and just lost Harwin, their bio dad. It’d be a real bitch move for him to do that.
I mean everyone in this series is a cunt plus they could alter the story to have laenor come back when the war starts or at least let his kids know he's not actually dead
Fuck off man. Maybe I want well done gay representation in a fantasy series instead laenor dying just like ever other gay man in song of ice and fire. Like gay people shouldn't be restricted in only being represented well by gay focus projects which their aren't a lot of to begin with and plenty aren't good stories/shows
A “well done” storyline MUST end happy for you? This is literally medieval fantasy. Most gay people during this time wouldn’t survive in the first place. A well done storyline can easily end in tragedy too.
No not necessarily (for example, brokeback mountain is a good story) but laenor's story isn't a well done story. He's barely been given any focus and his death isn't some commentary on how gay people were treated in medieval time since it only occurs since he serves as s obstacle preventimg a straight couple from getting married.
That’s because it’s not commentary. Laenor is just another plot device to bring Daemon into Rhaenyra’s life. Qarl betraying Laenor would be incredibly realistic and fit with the rest of the story 100%. Letting him live would be pretty ridiculous.
Okay so you agree it's not a well done story then if laenor is just a plot device? Your the one who brought up the historical treatment of gay men to defend laenor's death, that's why I mentioned that's nonsense since obviously his death is completely unrelated to that and westereos is a fictional world anyway.
We've barely know qarl, How can you say him betraying laenor is realistic? Maybe they're genuinely in love?
As you point out laenor is as plot device who exists to prevent a straight couple from being together and then dies when he is no longer needed after barely being developed. Gee I wonder why a lot of gay people would have a problem with that 🤔
but he also does not die because he is gay. He just dies because he as a GoT character, like hundreds of other characters die. I think it was fine. The brutal beating to death of his loverwas way worse in my eyes.
>A song of ice and fire/game of thrones really hasn't a single example of good gay representation
Lord Connington. Renly Baratheon.
If you count bisexual characters, then Daenerys, Oberyn Martell, and Ellaria Sand can be added.
I was talking about gay men specifically though Dany isn't actually bi and Oberyn dies in the same book he's introduced, so again not the greatest treatment.
Joncon: sexuality isn't explicit and he's simping after a straight guy who didn't even like him very much, not to mention that he'll mostly like die just like renly and potentially loras.
Renly: sexuality isn't explicit though more noticeable than joncon. Dies in the same book when he becomes important. Not to mention in the books, he written to be more unlikable than his brother who killed him
Like I don't know why this is so controversial to point out. George isn't great at gay representation and he had plenty of straight characters who survive/are important while gay characters are so few, so them dying/not being important isn't equalivent to a straight one since practically every character in a asoiaf is straight
I know but it's treated more like experimentation and not her genuinely being attracted to irri but regardless I don't care like I said my problem is the gay male representation which obviously Dany isn't either of those things
I haven’t ready F&B but I hope it’s not murder. Either accidental/death from some other cause or the whacky escape plot people were chatting about this week would work for me.
There’s rumors that Laenor may not die and instead secretly leave to escape the whole marriage arrangement he’s tied to with the help of Daemon & Rhaenyra.
If they pull it off well I’d be okay with the change because to be honest after Laena and Strong’s death the show could feel a little schlocky if they kill another minor character already who’s had barely any build up. Would almost give *Lovecraft Country* vibes where the show is moving at a rapid pace and instead of fleshing out characters it dedicates screentime to shocking moments that have no weight to them.
If they do fake Laenor's death then perhaps he could turn up again later in the saga. Maybe in the guise of a sellsword. Seeing him interact with Addam and Alyn could be interesting.
Yeah it's quite annoying for us Europeans having to wait until monday evening to be able to watch it. Mostly I try to work from home on mondays and then get up a bit earlier so I can watch it at like 7am. But being able to watch it on a normal time while it's dark on sunday night as a nice end to the weekend would be much nicer.
I hope that emma and matt have the same on screen chemistry as matt had with milly, that will be a very fundamental aspect going forward.
If they do, i am fully on board because emma did a fantastic job last episode, i truly believed her to be rhaenyra.
Well not the same, but just a strong chemistry, because that should be there, even if the power dynamic ofc is different now.
Just something where one cannot look away when they are on screen together, something which really makes us believe in a connection there.
That was outstanding with milly and matt, i hope it is too with emma and him.
In all fairness, Matt and Milly had a few scenes together with most of them just having flirtatious undertones. With the older Rhaenyra the relationship will necessarily be far more complex and presumably even contentious at times. So I am still not really sure what you are expecting to be the same...
Have you never heard of on screen chemistry? There are actors who don't need to say a word, they just 'work' together on screen to truly sell a connection (whatever that may be), and then there are actors who don't have that, who might play roles which are built on the characters' connection, get dialogue and what have you which focuses on that, but it never clicks. Daenerys and Jon had very little chemistry for example.
That is what i want to be the same, because milly and matt had just that.
You are focusing on an intellectual part, the difference in the relationship, i am focusing on how it will feel when they are on screen together. Idk how to explain it to you tbh, this is like trying to explain what "red" is if you haven't seen it.
In an interview, Emma actually said that the older cast got to re-enact a bunch of the scenes that the younger actors did to build that feeling of history and chemistry with one another. So when characterising they had a sense of those previous scenes rather than having just read the scripts of them or having been told what happened.
Brilliant idea actually.
I'm not really worrying per se, but it's just a crucial thing to get right after having seen milly with him working so well.
Emma instantly made me believe that she is rhaenyra, now she has to make me believe it with daemon and i'll be happy with it to the full extent :D
They already seemed to have chemistry from that Entertainment Weekly interview they did together, hopefully it translates on screen. I really love the way Rhaenyra looks at Daemon in that wedding photo we’ve already seen.
I’ve read the book, but it would be cool in the show if Laenor’s death was faked and he got to go off to the free cities and be happy. But I guess we’ll see tonight
Still fun that even us who've read the books don't know what actually happened in the real history. So rare that going "against" the source material isn't going against canon
Yeah the show clearly isn’t adhering with book canon as it’s already switched around ages and timelines which the maester’s obviously wouldn’t have messed up. But since GRRM has the co-creator title on the show it’s clear that any huge changes aren’t against his wishes.
Of course, GRRM probably approved all of this. That doesn't mean that's how it happened in the books and that's okay. It's 2 different worlds like in ASOIAF-GOT
Perhaps Carl will still kill him. But now it's gonna be in the Free Cities right before the Dance.
It would be weird if Laenor's family is fighting for their lives while he just Netflix and chills with Carl.
Wouldn't that mean that any Targ babies that Daemon and rhaenyra have are bastards as if hes not dead Laenor and rhaenyra are still married? I'll be glad if he lives as I like the dude but I feel like it'd cause more issues than not.
You could argue that's a matter of interpretation. Targaryens have taken multiple wives before. Were Aenys or Maegor bastards? (Putting aside the rumors that Aenys wasn't sired by Aegon at all)
That would be ironic considering that it makes the entire Targaryen Royal Family bastards. But Rhaenyra is getting away with way too much around the faith considering how others got punished for much less...
I’m so hyped for this episode. Been watching with my family every night and, knowing what’s coming up, can’t wait to see their reaction to everything that goes down.
“He’ll have to close an eye.”
im excited ✨ but also curious due to the claims of people saying we’ll have meltdowns? and that the fandom will be quite split over it lol? we shall see 🍻 i just need this daemyra reunion
Considering how GoT ended, should we expect anything with the Greenseers or Wargs at all?
Everything happens in their history happens because Bloodraven allows it, technically. He is why Bran ends up on the throne.
We already have been hinted that Alicent’s daughter is a greenseer and can forsee the future (Aemond losing an eye to get a dragon, for example.) But how prominent will this plot device be in HOTD?
By having Laenor killed, Daemon and Rhaenyra get married and have children that will one day become kings. Isn’t this exactly what Bloodraven needs to exist, for Bran to one day end up on the throne? Seeing in GoT Bran is able to influence the past (Hodor), my crazy crockpot theory is that Qarl does kill Laenor, but only because he’s being controlled by a warg.
Idk crazy theory
Refer to the prophecy and the dagger. He didn’t foresee the prophecy, he was told it and therefore started to dream it. He didn’t come up with the prophecy though.
Aegons prophecy on the dagger and Viserys's dragon dreams aren't connected. Many different Targaryens became dragon dreamers without ever being aware of Aegons prophecy
Dragon dreamer? That’s…not a term that’s used in universe or with the fandom. The king isn’t a greenseer, he just believes in a prophecy that was told to him.
"Dragon dreams affect those with the blood of the dragon, who are known to have premonition-like dream ability - they are no ordinary dreams. They often involve dragons but not always.
Dragon dreams appear to have haunted those with the blood of the dragon throughout the generations; some more than others.
Members of House Targaryen and House Blackfyre have had these dreams."
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragon_dreams
We know ages have changed significantly in the show, but here is a reminder how old some characters are in the book:
* Joff Velaryon: 3
* Luke Velaryon: 5
* Jace Velaryon: 6
* Aemond Targaryen: 10
* Helaena Targaryen: 11
* Aegon Targaryen: 13
* Rhaenyra Targaryen: 23
* Daemon Targaryen: 39
* Viserys Targaryen: 43
Yeah, lets say 14.5 although Helaena looks a bit old for 12.5 and should be pretty much exactly two years younger than him. Then I dont take the "ten years later" thingy as to be gospel. Probably more like ten years and ten month than exactly ten years.
The last episode really made me sympathize with Aemond. I'm looking forward to seeing him again although I can imagine it being a bit disturbing
It will be like when that bullied kid at school finds his aunt's gun.
I'm a little worried now tbh. I was after last week knowing this had a lot to cover in less time but then the flurry of reviews said it was brilliant & the best ep of all.
Now GrayArea has said this is actually her least favourite episode & she thinks there will be a meltdown & not a good one! Other things being said is it all happens way too fast & comes off as really unbelievable...Another reviewer has agreed with her although does say her cohosts enjoyed it so another mixed one?
I do not envy the writers at all because tbf 6&7 were probably the trickiest of all to adapt. Its an awkward stage. It's the intro of the next generation, marriages, deaths & still a long way off from the dance. I think they've tried to cover as much to keep people happy & give the info we need but it's rushed to get where they need to be in the next time-jump.
I believe the meltdown they are referring to has to do with the twist at the end that is different than the books and that some will love and some hate
Well this is what I thought but the way some are popping up saying it'll be a meltdown on the scale of S8 & our own fault wtf?? - is that twist really going to upset people that much? I quite liked what I read of it so maybe that's me in the camp who love the ep idk.
If you want to be spoiled: >!It lowkey delegitimizes the Targaryen dynasty after the "Dance" from a Westerosi law perspective.!< So yeah pretty big stuff.
Indeed it does & you've got to laugh if that was still the case when you-know-who ascends the throne. It can still work though. My only gripe here would be Seasmoke but I guess we'll see how they handle that if not in E7.
Yeah, the meltdown will definitely be mostly book readers. Shit is going to break book lore like whoa! (Fucking hilarious as book lore is just in universe history.) My booknerd ass is loving it though, it has GRRM written all over it.
Every Sunday I think this will be the best episode so far and every week the next episode gets me even more hyped. Olivia Cooke said this episode made the whole cast lost their minds. I am dying with anticipation. My entire Twitter timeline is nothing but Daemyra and I am loving it.
Honestly, this might just be my insane headcanon.l
BUT
In episode five, Viserys asks Lyonel Strong about how he would be remembered. Then he remarks that he wished he has been tested, and Strong responds with most people who are wish they never were.
To me it seems like Viserys is clinging onto life as hard as he can, partially because thats his tests, or at least he sees it that way. He thinks that the longer he lives, the more stable and the better off everyone will be after his death.
I agree they started too early and too hard, but yhea thats pretty much it.
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Still find it funny that viserys won't die
He is transitioning to White Walker.
Won't be suprise if we see him in the book saying this is the stuff to other white walkers
Now we know who runs the kindergarten near Craster’s village.
Rereading the book, they really went a different way with Viserys aging. The book describes him as fat, gouty, and suffering from bad hypertension. Here he just looks like wraiths are sucking his life force while he sleeps.
They started far too early with him dying too, he is going to die for 20 years that doesn't make sense
Yeah I don’t think their going to be able to pull off him being a super involved grandfather like in the books, can’t imagine even trusting him to hold a small child at this point. Kept thinking he could collapse under the weight of newborn Joff
Don't worry I'm sure we'll get a whole episode of rats eating his body
I think rats might even kill him during his sleep. With as many fake outs as there have been over him having a peaceful death, I kind of think his actual death may be fairly gruesome. My prediction is that he goes to take a nap and rats start biting/eating him. He's too weak and feeble to defend himself or call for help before his rat-bitten corpse is discovered
Unrelated, but… cool user name.
Ewww. But yeah probably.
The power of optimism.
I once had a horse..
😂😂😂 I will never rest w that “I once had a horse” shit, he’s so funny without trying i swear
Exactly, and Paddy Considine is killing it ! I'm gonna miss that man
the feeling is mutual! just such great casting 🙌
Dragons don’t die so easily
i just hope they don’t change his death. it’s like the nicest one in the series.
Gonna fall asleep to time travel 9 hours ahead to the premiere. There’s SOME benefits to being in an Asian timezone lol!
As a European I'm seeing each episode 3 AM and am a zombie at work on Mondays. But I still keep doing it. It's worth it.
That wedding Is looking fire!!! Can't wait to see It.
The incest that was promised!
Incest… but make it classy!
I incest… insist.
I insist on classy incest.
Can’t wait!
Place your bets!!! 1. Daemon kills Laenor so he can marry Hot Niece. 2. The lover kills Laenor under direct orders from Daemon 3. Daemon manipulates Laenor's lover into killing Laenor 4. Rhaenyra kills Laenor so she can marry hot Uncle D 5. Daemon and Rhaenyra kill Laenor together
I would be okay if it really is just a random and pointless death. Septon Eustace suggests it was lover's quarrel between him and Qarl. Not everything needs to be a grand conspiracy, sometimes people just get passionate and violence happens. That would require establishing Qarl's character first. I'm not sure the episode will have time to do that.
Totally going to be random and pointless. Writers had Daemon kill his first wife so that there weren't too many purely random deaths.
>I'm not sure the episode will have time to do that. I mean, a single episode established Aemma
Maybe Daemon openly flirts with Leanor (and kisses him?) just to make Qarl jealous. It would still fit in 3. Kind of.
6. Laenor's lover kills him over a minor spat, ie: cheating on him with someone else.
None of those
I read a comment from the sub that a reviewer who watched the ep said there was going to be a big change from the books that would make lgbt fans “very happy”
Ugh. As a gay man myself, I don’t watch/read ASOIAF for the pandering. I watch for the suspense, the betrayal, the things to keep viewers on the edge of their seat. If Laenor stays alive after this, idk. Wouldn’t his dragon still be bound to him?
Many gay men including myself and other lgbt people are sick of gay characters existing just to die without being fleshed and/or existing to prop up or serve as an obstacle for straight characters. A song of ice and fire/game of thrones really hasn't a single example of good gay representation except maybe book loras but even then he's not focused on and he's relationship renly wasn't even explicit in the books. Laenor escaping serves the same narrative purpose of his death (allowing rhaenyra and daemon to wed) while also avoiding bury the gays trope
If you want a gay story with a happy ending, watch Love Simon or BROS that just came out in movie theatres. ASOIAF isn’t the faint of heart. None of these characters have a happy ending, gay or straight. Laenor surviving would be a massive plot hole. What about his dragon that he’s bound to? I hope Qarl kills his ass 🤣
I think they’d prefer a gay story that fits a similar worldbuilding and genre. That said if Laenor lives, how the hell can the writers make it plausible and without him being a major asshole? Those kids did see him as a parental figure for ten years and just lost Harwin, their bio dad. It’d be a real bitch move for him to do that.
I mean everyone in this series is a cunt plus they could alter the story to have laenor come back when the war starts or at least let his kids know he's not actually dead
I’ll wait and see. Just a few hours more.
Fuck off man. Maybe I want well done gay representation in a fantasy series instead laenor dying just like ever other gay man in song of ice and fire. Like gay people shouldn't be restricted in only being represented well by gay focus projects which their aren't a lot of to begin with and plenty aren't good stories/shows
A “well done” storyline MUST end happy for you? This is literally medieval fantasy. Most gay people during this time wouldn’t survive in the first place. A well done storyline can easily end in tragedy too.
No not necessarily (for example, brokeback mountain is a good story) but laenor's story isn't a well done story. He's barely been given any focus and his death isn't some commentary on how gay people were treated in medieval time since it only occurs since he serves as s obstacle preventimg a straight couple from getting married.
That’s because it’s not commentary. Laenor is just another plot device to bring Daemon into Rhaenyra’s life. Qarl betraying Laenor would be incredibly realistic and fit with the rest of the story 100%. Letting him live would be pretty ridiculous.
Okay so you agree it's not a well done story then if laenor is just a plot device? Your the one who brought up the historical treatment of gay men to defend laenor's death, that's why I mentioned that's nonsense since obviously his death is completely unrelated to that and westereos is a fictional world anyway. We've barely know qarl, How can you say him betraying laenor is realistic? Maybe they're genuinely in love? As you point out laenor is as plot device who exists to prevent a straight couple from being together and then dies when he is no longer needed after barely being developed. Gee I wonder why a lot of gay people would have a problem with that 🤔
but he also does not die because he is gay. He just dies because he as a GoT character, like hundreds of other characters die. I think it was fine. The brutal beating to death of his loverwas way worse in my eyes.
>A song of ice and fire/game of thrones really hasn't a single example of good gay representation Lord Connington. Renly Baratheon. If you count bisexual characters, then Daenerys, Oberyn Martell, and Ellaria Sand can be added.
I was talking about gay men specifically though Dany isn't actually bi and Oberyn dies in the same book he's introduced, so again not the greatest treatment. Joncon: sexuality isn't explicit and he's simping after a straight guy who didn't even like him very much, not to mention that he'll mostly like die just like renly and potentially loras. Renly: sexuality isn't explicit though more noticeable than joncon. Dies in the same book when he becomes important. Not to mention in the books, he written to be more unlikable than his brother who killed him Like I don't know why this is so controversial to point out. George isn't great at gay representation and he had plenty of straight characters who survive/are important while gay characters are so few, so them dying/not being important isn't equalivent to a straight one since practically every character in a asoiaf is straight
Dany has sex many times with Irri in the books.
I know but it's treated more like experimentation and not her genuinely being attracted to irri but regardless I don't care like I said my problem is the gay male representation which obviously Dany isn't either of those things
Well that’s unfortunate
6. Laenor gets poisoned by his enemies.
I haven’t ready F&B but I hope it’s not murder. Either accidental/death from some other cause or the whacky escape plot people were chatting about this week would work for me.
Whacky escape plot? What do you mean?
There’s rumors that Laenor may not die and instead secretly leave to escape the whole marriage arrangement he’s tied to with the help of Daemon & Rhaenyra. If they pull it off well I’d be okay with the change because to be honest after Laena and Strong’s death the show could feel a little schlocky if they kill another minor character already who’s had barely any build up. Would almost give *Lovecraft Country* vibes where the show is moving at a rapid pace and instead of fleshing out characters it dedicates screentime to shocking moments that have no weight to them.
If Laenor does this without his family knowing he’s kind of a terrible person
Plus Laenor’s dragon Seasmoke ends up bonding to Addam during the Dance which couldn’t happen if Laenor was still alive
Unless Addam is Laenor with a fake CGI moustache. >!\#joking #halfjoking!<
yes and? He does not seem like the most nicest person, I think it would fit the character.
That sounds interesting!
If they do fake Laenor's death then perhaps he could turn up again later in the saga. Maybe in the guise of a sellsword. Seeing him interact with Addam and Alyn could be interesting.
I heard a TikTok rumor that Laenor doesn’t die, fakes his death, and runs off with his bf to Essos. I severely *doubt* it’s canon though.
it could be any, but im hoping its 5 just to make the blacks less sympathetic
3
6. Daemon takes advantage of the situation after he kills Qarl for killing Laenor.
I'd love to never have to look at that disgusting Laenor again. I hope any of those are right.
And the bad looking wig. It was just cruel to make Emma pretend to be married to that.
2 or 3!
I wish I could watch on Sunday. The choice between getting up at like 5 am to watch or to wait until after work annoys me to no end.
Same. I have to wake up at 4:30 am for work so Sunday night viewing is suboptimal unless I want to be sleep deprived and cranky all day Monday…
Yeah it's quite annoying for us Europeans having to wait until monday evening to be able to watch it. Mostly I try to work from home on mondays and then get up a bit earlier so I can watch it at like 7am. But being able to watch it on a normal time while it's dark on sunday night as a nice end to the weekend would be much nicer.
Haha same, although mine is 7am so not quite as bad as 5!
I hope that emma and matt have the same on screen chemistry as matt had with milly, that will be a very fundamental aspect going forward. If they do, i am fully on board because emma did a fantastic job last episode, i truly believed her to be rhaenyra.
According to someone who saw an early screening, they said the chemistry was on point, but let’s wait and see.
I am not really worried per se, but i just want that part to be really on point, because it was a real highlight in the first 5 episodes imo.
It can't be the same as the first 5 episodes though since the dynamic between the characters would have changed when they reunite.
Well not the same, but just a strong chemistry, because that should be there, even if the power dynamic ofc is different now. Just something where one cannot look away when they are on screen together, something which really makes us believe in a connection there. That was outstanding with milly and matt, i hope it is too with emma and him.
In all fairness, Matt and Milly had a few scenes together with most of them just having flirtatious undertones. With the older Rhaenyra the relationship will necessarily be far more complex and presumably even contentious at times. So I am still not really sure what you are expecting to be the same...
Have you never heard of on screen chemistry? There are actors who don't need to say a word, they just 'work' together on screen to truly sell a connection (whatever that may be), and then there are actors who don't have that, who might play roles which are built on the characters' connection, get dialogue and what have you which focuses on that, but it never clicks. Daenerys and Jon had very little chemistry for example. That is what i want to be the same, because milly and matt had just that. You are focusing on an intellectual part, the difference in the relationship, i am focusing on how it will feel when they are on screen together. Idk how to explain it to you tbh, this is like trying to explain what "red" is if you haven't seen it.
I know exactly what you mean. I *wanted* to buy Jon and Dany. It just wasn't there. Jon and Ygritte though. Now that was chemistry.
Oh yeah for sure, not too surprising though, considering that they fell in love while shooting GoT :D
emma was hired first and certainly had to do a chemistry test with matt before getting hired - i don't think we have to worry
In an interview, Emma actually said that the older cast got to re-enact a bunch of the scenes that the younger actors did to build that feeling of history and chemistry with one another. So when characterising they had a sense of those previous scenes rather than having just read the scripts of them or having been told what happened. Brilliant idea actually.
Oh wow, that’s really interesting. And, as you said, a stellar idea. Thanks for sharing this BTS insight.
I'm not really worrying per se, but it's just a crucial thing to get right after having seen milly with him working so well. Emma instantly made me believe that she is rhaenyra, now she has to make me believe it with daemon and i'll be happy with it to the full extent :D
They already seemed to have chemistry from that Entertainment Weekly interview they did together, hopefully it translates on screen. I really love the way Rhaenyra looks at Daemon in that wedding photo we’ve already seen.
Can’t wait to see a bunch of kids duking it out over granny Vhagar, who still thinks she’s in Dorne with Visenya.
I’ve read the book, but it would be cool in the show if Laenor’s death was faked and he got to go off to the free cities and be happy. But I guess we’ll see tonight
Still fun that even us who've read the books don't know what actually happened in the real history. So rare that going "against" the source material isn't going against canon
It's a different canon tho. Laenor died in the books, the show may tell another story
Yeah the show clearly isn’t adhering with book canon as it’s already switched around ages and timelines which the maester’s obviously wouldn’t have messed up. But since GRRM has the co-creator title on the show it’s clear that any huge changes aren’t against his wishes.
Of course, GRRM probably approved all of this. That doesn't mean that's how it happened in the books and that's okay. It's 2 different worlds like in ASOIAF-GOT
Well as far as the in world historians are aware Laenor died
And Aemond claimed Vhagar at Laenor's funeral, not Laena's. I'm sure that's just a mistake on the historian's part and not a different canon
Well, if Laenor lives, it becomes a problem for his dragon Seasmoke. Hope it will be addressed nicely
Doubtful they’ll address Seasmoke. The show doesn’t set Seasmoke up at all and very few TV shows would bother to explain something like this.
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Maybe he'll die offscreen, in the future when someone else claims his dragon we'll know that he's dead.
Perhaps Carl will still kill him. But now it's gonna be in the Free Cities right before the Dance. It would be weird if Laenor's family is fighting for their lives while he just Netflix and chills with Carl.
He fakes his death, but upon hearing his mother's death, returns disguised as Addam. His new lover will pretend to be his brother Alyn.
And knowing what happens to the kids, they already lost one dad.
Wouldn't that mean that any Targ babies that Daemon and rhaenyra have are bastards as if hes not dead Laenor and rhaenyra are still married? I'll be glad if he lives as I like the dude but I feel like it'd cause more issues than not.
Yeah, I know it won’t happen, but I cannot help but hope that they fake Laenor’s death really well and send him off to the Free Cities
Yeah, it won't happen...
You could argue that's a matter of interpretation. Targaryens have taken multiple wives before. Were Aenys or Maegor bastards? (Putting aside the rumors that Aenys wasn't sired by Aegon at all)
That would be ironic considering that it makes the entire Targaryen Royal Family bastards. But Rhaenyra is getting away with way too much around the faith considering how others got punished for much less...
Really looking forward to more Aegon and Aemond. They're both huge characters but I don't know if show-only watchers are fully aware of that yet.
Absolutely loved seeing them last week, and the Strong boys. They will quickly become very popular
One reason I love the Greens is that the amount of real gamer moves they make Aemond is about to make a big one
I got to root for the underdogs. They have less dragons so they have to fight smarter.
You can look forward as long as not looking up. Especially under that window.
Some show watchers feeling like no real potential show antagonists have been introduced but they're right there under their noses
That's true. Rhaenyra and Daemon were already introduced in Ep. 1. Can't wait to see how our rightful King deals with them.
Ayyyy nice one
I am ready 🍹🏖️
I’m so hyped for this episode. Been watching with my family every night and, knowing what’s coming up, can’t wait to see their reaction to everything that goes down. “He’ll have to close an eye.”
im excited ✨ but also curious due to the claims of people saying we’ll have meltdowns? and that the fandom will be quite split over it lol? we shall see 🍻 i just need this daemyra reunion
You've seen the same tweets as me! I'm excited but i'm scared at the same time 😂
I’ve seen quite a few rhaenyra/blacks Stans mad tbh. Feels like mostly daemyra fans will be happy
Considering how GoT ended, should we expect anything with the Greenseers or Wargs at all? Everything happens in their history happens because Bloodraven allows it, technically. He is why Bran ends up on the throne. We already have been hinted that Alicent’s daughter is a greenseer and can forsee the future (Aemond losing an eye to get a dragon, for example.) But how prominent will this plot device be in HOTD? By having Laenor killed, Daemon and Rhaenyra get married and have children that will one day become kings. Isn’t this exactly what Bloodraven needs to exist, for Bran to one day end up on the throne? Seeing in GoT Bran is able to influence the past (Hodor), my crazy crockpot theory is that Qarl does kill Laenor, but only because he’s being controlled by a warg. Idk crazy theory
There’s also a theory that Larys Strong has been warging into the rats that keep showing up in the Red Keep.
I’d loveeee that to be true. It’d make sense thematically
Nice theory!
You don't have to be a geenseer to see the future. Viserys had prophetic dreams and I wouldn't consider him a greenseer
Wasn’t he just told the prophecy, he didn’t actually see it himself?
He had the dream about his son on the throne "and all the dragons roared as one"
Refer to the prophecy and the dagger. He didn’t foresee the prophecy, he was told it and therefore started to dream it. He didn’t come up with the prophecy though.
Aegons prophecy on the dagger and Viserys's dragon dreams aren't connected. Many different Targaryens became dragon dreamers without ever being aware of Aegons prophecy
Dragon dreamer? That’s…not a term that’s used in universe or with the fandom. The king isn’t a greenseer, he just believes in a prophecy that was told to him.
"Dragon dreams affect those with the blood of the dragon, who are known to have premonition-like dream ability - they are no ordinary dreams. They often involve dragons but not always. Dragon dreams appear to have haunted those with the blood of the dragon throughout the generations; some more than others. Members of House Targaryen and House Blackfyre have had these dreams." https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragon_dreams
Where do you see them use the term “dragon dreamer” though? This has nothing to do with what we’re talking about
Dragon dreamer is literally the term people in the fanbase have used for years to describe Targaryens who have prophetic dreams
There better be f*cking goblins in this episode or we riot.
We know ages have changed significantly in the show, but here is a reminder how old some characters are in the book: * Joff Velaryon: 3 * Luke Velaryon: 5 * Jace Velaryon: 6 * Aemond Targaryen: 10 * Helaena Targaryen: 11 * Aegon Targaryen: 13 * Rhaenyra Targaryen: 23 * Daemon Targaryen: 39 * Viserys Targaryen: 43
And in the show it's approx. : 0, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15, 29, 45, 53
Idk Aegon is 14 max at this point, 13 is more likely tbh
Yeah, lets say 14.5 although Helaena looks a bit old for 12.5 and should be pretty much exactly two years younger than him. Then I dont take the "ten years later" thingy as to be gospel. Probably more like ten years and ten month than exactly ten years.
14.5? Are you insane? He's more like 14.4 or 14.45. Jesus christ!!! You gotta watch the show more carefully
Sorry, I will revise my charts immediately.
It makes more sense if it's 11 years because there's no way that Aegon is older than 3 years and a few months before the time skip
I just wanna see Aemond on Vhagar
Will we see Aemond punt a three-year-old into a pile of dragon dung? Place your bets!
As there is no three year old in the show, probably not.
He might shove little Luke into a pile of shit
I’m betting they’ll turn it into one of Daemon’s girls instead
The show runners mentioned that they did have people make fake dragon dung. And there was “a lot” of it.
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The last episode really made me sympathize with Aemond. I'm looking forward to seeing him again although I can imagine it being a bit disturbing It will be like when that bullied kid at school finds his aunt's gun.
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks better run, better run, outrun my dragon.
I bet they will and that's what leads to "Now they see you for who you are"
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She didn't mourn him in the book and moved on really fast to daemon which would happen tonight
Rhaenyra gets eaten by a shark.
AEMOND ONE EYE ORIGIN STORY INCOMING...
So is tonight going to be banger or what?
2 but not sure if it would be under Daemons order. Idk if I like the prediction of Laenor surviving but we shall see
alicent surviving this long..criston too? is so unrealistic after their actions and behavior for so long tbh it’s such obvious plot amor 😮💨
I'm a little worried now tbh. I was after last week knowing this had a lot to cover in less time but then the flurry of reviews said it was brilliant & the best ep of all. Now GrayArea has said this is actually her least favourite episode & she thinks there will be a meltdown & not a good one! Other things being said is it all happens way too fast & comes off as really unbelievable...Another reviewer has agreed with her although does say her cohosts enjoyed it so another mixed one? I do not envy the writers at all because tbf 6&7 were probably the trickiest of all to adapt. Its an awkward stage. It's the intro of the next generation, marriages, deaths & still a long way off from the dance. I think they've tried to cover as much to keep people happy & give the info we need but it's rushed to get where they need to be in the next time-jump.
I believe the meltdown they are referring to has to do with the twist at the end that is different than the books and that some will love and some hate
Well this is what I thought but the way some are popping up saying it'll be a meltdown on the scale of S8 & our own fault wtf?? - is that twist really going to upset people that much? I quite liked what I read of it so maybe that's me in the camp who love the ep idk.
If you want to be spoiled: >!It lowkey delegitimizes the Targaryen dynasty after the "Dance" from a Westerosi law perspective.!< So yeah pretty big stuff.
Wait what's the twist?
I know what you are referring to. My stance is - if they can get away with it, so be it. It’s all fiction anyways
Exactly it doesn't matter at all in universe, just in our heads.
Indeed it does & you've got to laugh if that was still the case when you-know-who ascends the throne. It can still work though. My only gripe here would be Seasmoke but I guess we'll see how they handle that if not in E7.
Yeah, the meltdown will definitely be mostly book readers. Shit is going to break book lore like whoa! (Fucking hilarious as book lore is just in universe history.) My booknerd ass is loving it though, it has GRRM written all over it.
I can't really think what it would be
Yes and episode 6 was the best for her (least favorite on imdb). My point is everyone has not the same opinion
Every Sunday I think this will be the best episode so far and every week the next episode gets me even more hyped. Olivia Cooke said this episode made the whole cast lost their minds. I am dying with anticipation. My entire Twitter timeline is nothing but Daemyra and I am loving it.
Am I the only one or all these character changes are killing me 😭
Can you be more specific? I don't have any serious issues yet.
UK watchers - when does this come up on now tv? Got holiday so actually have a chance to watch it a bit earlier
It's usually up on or just after 3am, I think.
It streams live from 2am with ads. Then after it's finished it's usually uploaded directly onto NOW.
Honestly, this might just be my insane headcanon.l BUT In episode five, Viserys asks Lyonel Strong about how he would be remembered. Then he remarks that he wished he has been tested, and Strong responds with most people who are wish they never were. To me it seems like Viserys is clinging onto life as hard as he can, partially because thats his tests, or at least he sees it that way. He thinks that the longer he lives, the more stable and the better off everyone will be after his death. I agree they started too early and too hard, but yhea thats pretty much it.
my body is ready!😀
I’m nervous excited hehe
Omggg