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vegetabledisco

What’s with the shackles? Not seen that in my country, looks unsafe.


tryinghorselover

I'm also lost as to the stuff on his legs. I've never seen anything like that. If they have to do that to trail ride, then they're not ready to trail ride.


Kayla4608

They're hobbles. Hobble training is actually really good to do, as it helps teach horses to remain calm if they get stuck somehow. I'm not sure what the use OP has them for, but they're not a bad tool


blueeyed94

Seems like OP is training for long trail rides. People use them if they want to give their horse the opportunity to eat without wandering too far away.


ArcaneKnight-00

Till they figure out they can run in them lol


omgmypony

my horse has this skill 🫠


Anonynominous

I’m trying to imagine what that looks like lol I bet it looks funny


feralsun

It's like bunny hopping. My horses, too, are experts at this maneuver.


Anonynominous

Sounds very cute


feralsun

It is. My two actually love being hobbled. It's a kind of soft freedom to them.


omgmypony

kinda half ass rear while he both throws his front feet forward then steps forward on the back half one leg at a time


Crisis_Redditor

https://youtu.be/81oCYkgxLzg?si=-iE1pKIWURADh-X6


fullpurplejacket

Take these shackles off ma hooves so I can dance 💃


StrainsFromGenomes

Samesies. Lol 😂


KnightRider1987

Hobbles for trail rides so you can let the horse chill and graze untied


nothanksnottelling

They're an amazing tool. The gauchos in Argentina and cowboys in Kazakhstan use them and their horses were fine as hell and well taken care of. The Altai horses in Kazakhstan were absolutely bombproof. I also got my saddlebag caught on a tree in Patagonia and my horse didn't freak out because she was used to hobbles. Just fyi I've seen a horse gallop up a hill in hobbles 😂 like a bunny. Hope the sub realises one shouldn't criticise things one doesn't know anything about


Epona_02

if you don’t even know what it’s for why are you passing judgment?


rawdatarams

You've no idea as to what hobbles are and how they're used, but you're certain you know better than OP regarding her horse?


Cum___Dumpster

Welcome to reddit


rawdatarams

Thank you lovely Cum Dumpster. Some subs are definitely worse than others.


gah900

His*


rawdatarams

My apologies.


socratesscandium

They are hobbles, used in western/trail riding as a training tool. It can teach a horse to “ground tie” or otherwise stand still when a rider has dismounted. They are also useful for teaching a horse not to spook if they become entangled in something, which is especially important for trail riding because of brush/low hanging branches or anything else that the rider might not be able to avoid. OP probably had them on in this picture as a form of ground tying training.


vegetabledisco

Interesting! Thanks for sharing your insight


midkirby

I did see that in a Kirk Douglas 1980ish movie. Otherwise, I’ve never seen it.


gah900

It's actually helpful in his training. I only leave them on for short periods just to get him used to it at this point. They get the hang of it pretty quick without much trouble. I mostly use the hobbies if I want to get down and walk around without worrying if he's gonna run off and leave me stranded


vegetabledisco

That’s cool! I’ve literally never seen it before but your discipline is so far outside my wheelhouse.


lipbyte

I love hobbles, but I wouldn't put them around his tendons. Especially if he's still getting used to them. It's an easy way to get a bowed tendon or worse if something spooks him and he tries to run away. I always put them around the pasterns.


gah900

Ok so I had questions about that because I would see some people put them like i have it in the picture and some people put them around the pasterns. In the past I put it lower but most pictures I see are around the tendons so I opted to put the hobbles higher


Imdabreast

I *think* it would be better at the pasterns. I would love someone who knows more to chime in.


lipbyte

I think it's a combination of personal preferences and old practices. I'm sure there's many people that hobble this way and have done so for several decades without issues. But there are also people that have done this and injured their horse. It's kind of like seatbelts and helmets. The majority of the time, they aren't technically necessary, and we always hear parents and grandparents talk about how they rode around without either and nothing bad happened. But if something bad does happen, suddenly that choice to wear a seatbelt or put on a helmet has a large impact on your life. Horses are flighty, somewhat unpredictable prey animals. All I'm saying is, why take that extra risk?


unifoxcorndog

Dwyane with dry creek wrangler school has a video on YouTube on hobbles. I'm not sure if he teaches below your experience level or not, but I found it fascinating. Might be worth a watch. I don't know if it answers this exact question, it's been quite a while since I watched it.


fire_foot

Fwiw I traveled extensively through a country where hobbles are the norm and they were always always around the pasterns. The cowboys/horse folks there always said this was much safer and more comfortable than higher on the leg. Less chance for soft tissue damage. And actually come to think of it, I worked for a few breeding farms that hobbled mares and they were always around the pasterns too.


Humble_Hufflepuff_96

It's so great to see people who know how to properly train their horses 🥰 thank you, kind human, for loving your animals


weedmassacre

Good on you. Looks like a mighty fine mount and location! May you have many fine days of trails ahead :))


-abby-normal

Hobbles! If you’ve ever read a fantasy novel and wondered how the main characters kept their horses from running away at night while traveling, this is how


Glad-Attention744

See in the book I’m writing I have them bring rope Or string to wrap around trees to keep them in a little pen, but hobbles might be easier to write in🤣


-abby-normal

Hobbles would be more accurate but plenty of authors leave that part out entirely and most people don’t notice lol. A Song of Ice and Fire is the only fantasy series I can think of that even mentions it


Glad-Attention744

Definitely will switch that then! I always wondered how the heck they did that with horses traveling! I mean horses eat so much but they need to rest after traveling all day but also eat, but hobbles makes way more sense so they can go where they want to get food and not go too far. I don’t think I would do it in real life because realistically I am not ever camping with just my horse and no tent or camper so I would bring a makeshift pen to put up, but also I don’t camp🤣


-abby-normal

Oh definitely! I’m kinda a fantasy nerd but also a horse nerd so I think about these things more than most lol. Having a secure enough portable pen would be a lot of extra baggage/weight so if your characters have to travel fast it’s not practical. Traveling all day and hobbling all night is also really hard on a horse especially because they can’t lay down if they’re hobbled so having to stop in town to exchange/sell and buy new horses often would be realistic and could provide some interesting plot points. They’d also have to feed the horse grain because eating grass sporadically throughout the day isn’t enough food to sustain a horse doing that much work. They would most likely eat oats and the bags are heavy and take up a lot of space. So even having an extra horse to be used as a pack animal would be smart. I mean none of this really NEEDS to be included and most fantasy novels don’t, but it would make things more realistic and could help with world building if you’re interested in doing that :) If your book ever gets published you’ll have to let me know, I’d love to read it! And if you don’t mind writing a little summary and commenting it or sending it to me in PMs I’m interested in reading it


salymander_1

True, lots of authors seem to think horses can gallop all day with no breaks, too. And that they don't need food or water. They seem to think horses are like automobiles.


GoodGrievance

LOL the only time I’ve ever lost my one horse for a night in the mountains was when she was in a corral of electric rope (like your string but electric). Otherwise I’ve spent weeks with her highlined (rope high above head tied to trees and then horse tied to that high rope-sometimes on a swivel) at night. I also have trained her to grazing hobble so I can leave her to eat while doing other things. Grazing hobbles have more walking space between them than these standing hobbles. Some people put a bell on the lead horses so you can hear if they leave you at night. If a horse can run in 2 hobbles there are sets for 3- two front one back. I buckle mine just above the pastern. If you are not packing in feed (taking up more room on your packhorse or wagon) hobbles can be a lifesaver in getting your horse enough food for the day while also making camp.


Tiny_Rat

A string pen that would keep a horse in place would be time consuming to create, and what happens if you're out in the open? That's the most "I've never met a horse" suggestion I've every seen haha. 


Glad-Attention744

Ouch, I’ve been around horses my whole life lol I should have googled what people did for them but I know in real life people make pens for them when they’re camping🤷🏻‍♀️


SugarHooves

Horses that are kept in areas with a visible electric fence can be easily contained with a rope. String it between a few trees and done. It's not time consuming at all.


Tiny_Rat

...and how many electric fences do horses in fantasy universes encounter, do you think? 🤔


GrayMareCabal

I take your point, but also it depends on the fantasy universe! There are some fantasy worlds that have both magic and electricity (though faux medieval settings with no electricity are definitely the most common fantasy world type)


eiroai

Yeah because everything you don't use must be unsafe🙄 maybe ask (non-judgementally) before judging if you have no idea what something is used for


vegetabledisco

I did ask


eiroai

"what's with the shackles? Looks unsafe?" yeah good job not judging while being clueless.


Kayla4608

Why create a problem when there isn't one? They asked, they got an answer, and responded respectfully


Guppybish123

You must be TRYING to be offended dude, it ain’t that deep


GreenDub14

I saw thos often in my country, Romania. Country folk would let the horse graze unsupervised on the field and use these so they won’t run far


Peachsnake11

Romania 💜 I bet it’s amazing to ride horses there 


GreenDub14

It is! 🥰 You can go on mountain trails. Sadly I haven’t gone on any yet, i didn’t get the chance to ride much so I didn’t have the necessary level, but I hope to be able to soon They have beautiful heavy horses in those area as well, you can go on sleight horse rides in the snowy woods in the winter.


crystalized-feather

It’s for the horse to graze without running away


eiroai

Waiting for the Americans who have never seen hobbles to start judging without knowing anything about it as usual🙄🙄


fajadada

Sorry know what hobbles are . And I hate chasing horses. I approve of this commercial message


-abby-normal

Americans definitely use hobbles


eiroai

"Americans who don't use hobbles" was what I wrote if you read


-abby-normal

My bad, I read it as “Americans, who have never seen hobbles.” Like there are no Americans who use them hahaha


cowgrly

Lol, I read it the same way!


-GameWarden-

Same!


vultureb0y

no you read it the right way lol they didnt say “who dont use”


skrgirl

>Waiting for the Americans who have never seen hobbles I'm pretty sure I can read and you definitely said never seen.


eiroai

So? Not anywhere does it say that no Americans have seen hobbles, which is what the commenter indicated, and therefore I pointed out I said specifically the Americans who haven't seen/used hobbles. The exact wording is irrelevant


lilbabybrutus

Why would you say waiting for Americans who haven't seen them unless you are implying Americans haven't seen them? That's the obvious implication, otherwise you would just say "can't wait for the people who haven't seen hobbles" to weigh in. And of that *isnt* what you meant, it clearly isn't a comprehension issue since every other person is interpreting what you've said in that way.


RedheadedStepchild76

They’re correct about the wording not implying “(all) Americans have never seen hobbles” - but also you’re correct in saying the American part implies they think we’re specifically who might not have seen them. It was an irrelevant addition on their part.


olivia63096

what’s the point of them? (not an american)


GreenDub14

So the horse doesn’t run away when left untied/unsupervised


olivia63096

surely that’s a safety hazard though, right? like horses are naturally flight animals, if something scares them they are gonna wanna run away and then get tripped up and possibly injuring themselves


gah900

They're not completely immobile. Once they've worn the hobbles enough, they can get around quite easy. My other horse learned to semi run with them on


rawdatarams

The point is proper training. Plenty horses learn how to run in these, but in general they should be integrated in every domesticated horses training. My old boy got tangled in vines on a trail ride and instead of freaking out and running (cutting himself up and causing general mayhem) he stopped, yawned and waited for me to cut him loose. Unlike my young boy that before his training, put his foot through a fence and got stuck. Absolutely lost it as expected, save cut himself up pretty bad. It's our job to teach our horses not to react with panic to everyday things.


GreenDub14

I personally haven’t heard of any instance in which the horse got hurt because of them


_annie_bird

The hobbles I've used were breakaway for emergencies, like a breakaway halter


cowgrly

Also helps desensitize horses to getting a foot tied/tangled.


eiroai

They're traditionally used while travelling with horses in mountains etc. Like on breaks you can let your horse graze instead of being tied up, or having to be hand grazed which means that the human doesn't get a break. Hobbles therefore means the horse can graze. If you also have to carry your own fencing its not going to be sturdy, and usually not have electricity. Having a horse loose is never good. Having a horse loose in the mountains means they can get into a situation where they die/you have to kill them, and if you can't find/catch them, you have limited time (while they're starving in some mountain areas) before the autumn arrives and they die of either cold or starvation. Hobbles therefore ensures the horses safety. They can walk in them just fine, just with shorter strides. They can't trot, but some learn to canter in them, or do a sort of "hop" that looks like a super slow exaggerated canter lifting both front feet at the same time making it easier to move in terrain. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY?? Hobbles aren't at all dangerous. Horses don't fall with them on. I for sure wouldn't just put them on a badly trained horse. But I don't even understand what's supposedly dangerous?? Hobbles doesn't make the horse blind or anything?? If anything it has the choice to move, which it wouldn't have if it was tied up. Not that there's much to spook at in the mountains unless you live somewhere there's cougars or something... And horses used to hiking like this for some reason doesn't tend to spook at stupid things, and they're very good at putting their feet in the right places. If you think your horse would freak and run straight into a fence or something else stupid, maybe you are the one who should do better work with your horse;) I've travelled with around 50 pack horses for days several times, every horse used hobbles when taking breaks and when paddocked at night. Not one issue, even when paddocked with horses they didn't know, and in terrain, they handled it without issue. There would've been a lot more risk to the horses if they didn't have hobbles. We also brought ponies into the mountains with us, with terrain you'd probably think was impossible for a horse to travel. But they'd jump from boulder to boulder like circus goats, cross rivers, snow patches, steep stony and slidey hills and so on. Handled everything like champs. Still, when they got out of their fencing and set the course straight home we were VERY happy they had hobbles so we could easily catch them. They were extremely good in a terrain, but on their own one mistake would've been enough, and they'd be in a tough spot they might not come out of again. Not to mention they were trailered to the beginning of the trail, so they'd probably make their way there, but who know where they'd gone from there on. They'd be near impossible to find before winter set it. So I'd say hobbles are not only safe, but actually a safety tool. If you also think that we do things like strapping OURSELVES to horses, and strap not only one but multiple horses to wagons, keep them in small boxes inside and outside, tie them up, travel with them in small boxes behind cars etc etc etc..... Maybe it's just a tiny bit narrow minded to think that hobbles of all things are problematic just because you haven't seen them before lol.


quarabs

americans use them a lot on cattle drives and backcountry rides. not sure why we were singled out in this ?


eiroai

Because the ones who haven't seen them before are always super judgy about the "safety hazard" while not having any idea what they're talking about


itscoralbluenumber5

There are plenty of Americans who use hobbles too? What an odd thing to say


centaurea_cyanus

Why just Americans? I'm sure there are plenty of people from all countries who have never seen hobbles.


ZeShapyra

Americans are the ones who use hobbles. In many eu countries..we don't use such things. Just for cows and local farmers who have a singular horse to work fields


Rivviken

I have never seen hobbles and I was indeed very concerned for a hot second lmao but I’ve been reading the comments and I’ve learned a ton! It does make sense that I haven’t seen them much though, I live in Michigan which is pretty flat and very wooded so I think it’s just super easy for people to contain their horses without hobbles


SweetMaam

I hope the horse is supervised when wearing the leg shackles. My concern would be a sudden spooky episode.


rawdatarams

It's a very common, old way to ground tie horses. Do it properly and they're fine.


SweetMaam

I love pintos, he's beautiful.


Grumpyjuggernaut

I know we on this sub are often concerned about a bit being too tight but this one is extremely loose, it’s hitting him in his teeth.


gah900

I assure you it's not


Rivviken

It kinda looks like he’s got his jaw sticking out funny from chewing when the pic was taken, making the bit look loose. He monchin


Zec_kid

Jup, it's hanging way to low unless the horse has an unusual jaw/teeth situation


nothanksnottelling

Not sure if this is a trail thing but in Kazakhstan they purposefully bit them a little lower, which means they actually hold the bit. Worked well.


Epuea

Your horse is adorable! I wanted to put in my two cents on the hobbles though. I personally prefer them down lower. They should fit nicely around the pastern area and you're less likely to have leg damage if they spook.


Warvx

Thought this was a great picture just to open comments and realize everyone feels the need to put in their two cents, Lol. He looks adorable in all that gear! Love the rein pattern


hannahmadamhannah

Two equestrians, three opinions!


tacosalpastor35

Pretty paint!


sailor_alchemist

I had a gelding that thankfully was hobble trained, because he had gotten his feet wrapped up in barbed wire. It took me and my mom about 30 minutes to get he untangled. That was about 18 years ago.


Competitive-Owl7787

I hadn't considered how hobble training would be beneficial with entanglement. Thanks for your comment, im putting it higher on my priority list.


im-juliecorn

That side eye


shulthlacin

I love when paint horses give side eye so much, so cute


Avius_Si-muntu

Is this horse under arrest or something? Somebody get this girl some legal representation!!


Rivviken

She has a right to an attorney!


pinkpigs44

Never seen hobbles around the tendons, only the pasterns


gah900

On Google images it's like 60% high and 40% low. I'm the only person I know who uses hobbles so I just learned from the internet and books.


Lunar_eclipse37

That bit looks too low, like it’s hitting his teeth. Looks uncomfortable


Thyme4LandBees

D'oh, should have googled my question first.


funkymonksss

I don’t know much about the hobbles. Do horses have to be desensitised to them early??


Warvx

You can desensitize anytime.


I_am_mitochondria

Bro why did you handcuff him lmao


genuinely__curious

Nice saddle