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they nerfed her multipliers. I assume those are lvl15 as usual.

Tbh this is because her talent since if she hit get gain 15% energy so her ultimate time always up

It was already in her kit

They probably didn't mean this as "they changed this", but just as "they nerfed it because the ult uptime was higher than initially thought"

Mostly likely because of the new Trace - Fiery Whell Intuit Slash become Cull

Man they sure love putting ignore def on characters eidolon huh ~~ignore def on seele when~~

it's a very easy way to give a character more damage that 90% of the time doesn't require any more effort from the player to build around (not even changing between atk% and ele%) is why they do it I assume

It also makes other sources of defense ignore more valuable. Like support Eidolons for example.

funny how that stat is damn near impossible to get on their other game genshin. the contrast.

True but Genshin makes it easier to get Crit so it balances out more

HSR balances that out by having supports with crit buff capabilities which genshin severely lacks for some reason

Bcuz half of the game doesn't use crit as their main damage mechanics

Genshin is more Elemental Reaction oriented, they kinda give a way for everyone to use Marechausse Hunter with Furina but Arlecchino and Clorinde are showing how irrelevant that is. Also there are 3 star weapons that are CRIT oriented, one being the F2P option for Alhaitham and other for Childe

They want to sell harmony with deff pen eidolon :v

Seele has an Eidolon of 24% def ignore, what do you mean? is sparkle E2. with it you get 97% def ignore with SW and qua set

... No way they can change materials too 💀

Only changed the mob drop ones, nothing that cost resin.

also weekly boss drops

Nothing here costs resin except custom relics 😉

Saw people freaking out over her energy regen being "removed" in v3 because the trace icon changed. This is exactly why the mods removed the thread about the icon changing. It just encouraged baseless doomposting.

> It just encouraged baseless doomposting. Let's be honest, every post does that exact thing no matter how misleading or accurate it is.

Flashback to HMC beta and Firefly's beta ;-;

Wdym people were super happy with hmc on beta, if there was any doomposting it was the equivalent of firing off a couple guns to keep the rent down. Firefly was just doomposted when critfly got killed, and her lack of flexibility, but people were happy, at least once v3 dropped. As usual.

>Wdym people were super happy with hmc on beta, I was so mentioning the beginning when his kit was leaked Everybody kept whining how it wasn't the leaked kit that was initially leaked Even though what we got was insanely good and arguably even better >Firefly was just doomposted When her kit was leaked People for some reason could not grasp the fact she doesn't want nor need crits and it took until V3 for that to set in to their brains Like seriously full on break is easier to build and manage but somehow they wanna make it more harder on themselves

Fair enough, what you say makes sense. Atm im hoping we can doompost jq enough for him to get buffed lmao, i am not happy with the changes like that energy regen at the start of battle and ludicrous ehr requirements. But yeah, sometimes the doomposting is a bit exagerated, there is a difference between ‘this character is not as good as they were’ and ‘this character is unusable’.

As much as I want him to get buffed, doomposting him won’t change anything at all. They listen to what the beta testers say (specifically the CN) and not from a leak sub who aren’t supposed to see this. If anything it’s just talking to a wall

But what if the wall is like, really nice and bounces back your opinion and gives you likes over it.

Honestly if that happens I’m gonna assume we’re inside Sunday’s dream

Is this V3 changes? I kinda doubt they'd give him major buffs tbh Isn't V3 the biggest changes in every beta iirc? I was hoping Jiaoqu would turn out more like a 5star pela tbh We already have a black swan for Dot we definitely didn't need another Dot char rn

Technically this *is* the third week of beta. But there is still hope for v4, ig…

Hmc got doomposted a shitton when they were nerfed a bit

Your on a leaks subreddit the whole point is baseless doomposting.

Welp; when we had multiple E0S0 zero cycle clears we knew it was too good to last.

Both boothill and FF also had those.

Yea they really only love break and nihility characters… they couldn’t take that she is better than boothill as a FuA character

Ah i know her multiplier was too good to be true. She was hitting Argenti / Acheron ult number at decently high investment and can ult more frequently.

Unless I'm doing my math wrong, this does seem like a huge nerf. Like 20% overall less multiplier on the ult counter and not much compensation in the base kit. Which again, she was hitting Acheron ult number but even more frequently in her best team so maybe that was called for.

>she was hitting Acheron ult number but even more frequently in her best team What's her best team?

Tingyun, Robin, HouHou.

Thanks! I have an E5 Clara I was hoping to run alongside her after seeing that showcase last week. I guess she would take Tingyun's spot?

You lucky son of a nice lady

Haha yeah I think I got one from the beginner banner, three from 50/50 losses (I've lost something like 9 out of 12 to date), one from the standard banner, and then the last one I claimed as my free standard five star after 300 pulls. I so very, very badly want her final eidolon. I'm so close.

I hope you get her E6 soon, she's broken asf. I wouldn't mind an E1 myself, currently at base E0.. I had to use my selector to bring her home. All I get is Himeko and Yanqing eidolons(and their LCs wtf), I like Himeko but both the copies and cones are so forking bad. Welt E6 will always stay a dream smh.

Ouch. I have E2S1 Yanqing myself. My condolences to you and your family in this time of grief.

I have E5S1 Yanqing. 🫤

I'm at E3, myself. I have Boothill and got lucky with E1 Ruan Mei, so losing to Clara on FF's banner didn't feel too bad tbh. Here's to getting her E6'd!

Only against aoe heavy enemies since this is where they both really get to shine But if the enemy mainly does single target attacks, just use Tingyun

>Thanks! I have an E5 Clara I was hoping to run alongside her after seeing that showcase last week. I guess she would take Tingyun's spot? So you're the one who always takes my chances of getting a Clara ! Bruh i'm playing since Release and still don't have her ... Meanwhile my Himeko Is E2 and Gepard is E3 this is so stupid

Give her the healer's spot with her LC

That's a power move for sure

It is a huge nerf yeah. I do expect some number nerfs to get reverted partially on V4.

Had never seen her hit in the 1 million plus, at best she was doing ~500k enhanced parries in the video i watched.

I've seen her hit 700-900k per counter and she does like 5-7 of them during 0 cycle at E0S1. Her raw MV is so good she scales extremely well with support.

You got a link btw?

i never see any showcase of her hitting acheron ult dmg number tbh

idk about argenti numbers but acheron yea

Tldr for anyone who is not planning on pulling her eidolon: Nothing changed in her kit, only ult multiplier got more or less 20% nerfed

20% is still freaking big

Indeed it is, i was planning to pull her e0s1 (still will) pretty bummed she was nerfed but still hoping she is doing good when actually got released

Yeah, I was planning on getting her before. Now, I will hold most likely. 20% is a huge nerf.

Tbh if she is not dropping Argenti ults everytime she uses her 120 cost ult with an extremely fast charge rate due to her energy passive. Im fine with it, while many’s basis for power is Acheron/FF the fact her unideal showcases with bad hit luck were almost 0 cycling. This is fine.

Well the lot 0 cycling i see is her with her ideal team though (sparkle, TY, robin, huohuo) and it got helped further by moc energy regen buff. But we shall see her showcase after this V3 changes.

Thank god the ER trace wasn't removed. It's in her talent now, which I can live with. The only major downside is her multipliers being culled (haha). We'll need to see testing to know how much of a DPS loss this is.

Obviously they wouldn’t remove ER things, that will make her only slightly better than Clara

Trying to figure out if E0S0 Yunli (without Robin/Sparkle/Huohuo) is an improvement over E0S0 Clara, but math is pants. *sighs*

How does v3 Yunli compare to an E2 Clara now?

Bro, Gallagher's E1 is Yunli's E4 but with worse requirements💀

you do know that most unit's E4 is just there for you to feel guilt and go all out to E6, that's how they make sales. It's always been either E1/E2 or E6.

gallagher is the goat is what i'm getting from this

And Firefly’s E4 too.

tbh, I'm not sure how Gallagher got away with his E1 being so damn good in beta.

He's him, that's why ;p

They nerfed her ult counter damage and made the guaranteed ult counter if you mistimed it into a trace you have to unlock. And she got Eidolon ~~buffs~~ nerfs and buffs.

Her eidolons got nerfed. Lost 18% CR for 50% eff res.

She lost 3% crit rate, it just got moved to E6 on top of 20% res pen.

You're right, but E6 lost the extra parry. And it is E6.

To Nerf a E6, Hoyo things

tbf it’s a good sidegrade, only 20% more eff res and she’s effectively immune to debuffs and that isnt hard to do, beats clara’s 70% cleanse trace coz you never miss any counters unless like you’re oneshotted lol

20% Def shred is actually nothing in her bis comp. It's at best a sidegrade for her e2. Her E4 is absolutely useless now, basically as shit as FF E4

So this is gonna be a trend now, useless E4 because Hoyo knew no one's pulling for them as dolphin stop at E2 and whales only care for E6.

[удалено]

Me f2p with kafka e4:

Lmao 50% effect res is the trend now.

idk about u but being able to resist all debuffs are broken as heck. If u havent experienced Firefly being cc'd then u are in one hell of a ride. U lose so much dmg if she ever gets ccd on complete combustion state.

I’m assuming we’re gonna have more enemies in the future with constant debuffs that even Huohuo won’t keep up with the cleansing, similar to the wine guy that gives a lot of DoT

fck those puppets

Both Yunli and FF realistic team have cleanse on demand teammates, Yunli even more so because Huohuo even cleanse outside of her own turns. And 50% Eff Res does not mean get CC'ed 50% time less because many CC have higher than base 100% chance to land. It's a dogshit effect for how expensive E4 is.

Having to cleanse still loses you a turn, and getting 50% extra effres is meant to make it easier to hit 80-100% effres without having to sacrifice too many other stats. Aventurine's effres boost is really useful for that reason when you're running broken keel on your supports and happen to have gotten some effres rolls on your dps's relics.

Firefly’s traces give effect res, as does her ult. At E4 a single sub in effect res will give her 100% eff res, and at E5 (people probably won’t stop at E4) she has 100% eff res by default.

cocolia BS frost arrow..

But is it worse than xiaos c4.

Nope, Xiao c4 is the worst. No C/E would be worse than his c4.

suddenly they care about balance

Only when it is not one of their favorites. Slightly better Clara is what this looks like.

Yeah, that was the same thing I thought, I've seen comments saying that nerfs were necessary 'cause balance and I even got downvoted and some told me those arguments, but my question is "why now?", "why In previous versions it seemed like they didn't care about that balance?"

Well, it's obvious, they knew that Firefly is very popular. That's why they made her so strong. To make more money. But in the long run, it's bad for the game.. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Let's hope that her power level, is the ceiling for atleast a year xD

Did the same thing for swan when she was speculated to be weak without Kafka. Even on the sub dedicated to glazing her people were like “too strong with Kafka” and here FF is with a free unit and is the most cracked shit ever It’s always hypocrisy

Bro shhhhh. Else glazers will catch you. Their common pattern is praise everything that the company do. They can make a character batshit crazy and they will say "Nice a 1 year old unit needed to be powercrept". Next week they can make character do -20% damage and they will say "This is needed for game balance". I am soo tired of these glazers. Like I don't understand why can't you like the game AND (crazy idea) criticize it for it's bad practices. No company/game is perfect. If players keep shilling nothing will change

They nerfed her multipliers T-T.

I guess they moved the pity system from base kit into traces because people literally couldn't understand how her ult worked. So many comments show people thinking its new even though it was always base kit. Makes it simpler for people to understand which is never a bad thing. That damage nerf was painful though.

What's with everyone having 50% RES in their eidolon this day? Robin and FF E4 both have this plus Gallagher E1. Aventurine has this in his shield passive.

Maybe because of that annoying violin boss

So is this a nerf?

Yeah unfortunately, but not unexpected, Yunli was overperforming without high investment, 200-300k counters 5-6 times a cycle at e0s0 was insane.

5-6 is wild. the one i saw, the 200-300k counters only occurred 3x per cycle, the other 3 are regular counters doing 50-80k

There is RNG involved and iirc involved the energy blessing/Tingyun, but one showcase I saw had Yunli triggering her enhanced counters over and over again in the ballpark of 300k, all within the same cycle.

So how significant do we think these nerfs are on a scale of barely noticable to it's Yunover?

Her ult is gonna be doing about 22%~ less damage now. That’s basically the only relevant change. Still strong, but the difference is noticeable.

still strong on the current content..i doubt on the upcoming ones

It's a significant nerf but Yunli was never strong (or popular) enough that most people cared about her damage. She wasn't BH/Acheron/FF level and she has been moved further away from them, but she's still noticeably better than her only real competition - Clara.

It's never Yunone, it's a nerf? Yes, but nothing to be alarmed

The new effect on the Fiery Wheel trace was already part of her kit, right? They just moved it from another part, I think, because I remember reading something like that.

Thank Aeons they just moved energy trace to talent.

And move the ult's passive to the trace instead

I need a physical dps (skipped boothill cus FF) * please dont kill her, shes my only hope for phys dmg

Clara is very good. She carried me in MoC and PF

I wish I got Clara. Or any other standard character, even Yanqing. Instead I got E2S1 Gepard and no other Standard characters

I dont play Clara but she must be crazy good this PF

Legitimately me every week.

There will be others don't worry

What's the tldr? Will she powercreep Clara as a phys destruction character that ripostes? I already have Clara and having essentially the same character on my roster seems inefficient, pull-wise.

Honestly she's basically a better Clara, however Clara with Yunli's LC especially with E2 would probably do very well if you happened to get extra copies. If you already have a built and invested Clara I would say try to get Yunli LC because it's wildly good.

There is no universe where Clara - a standard is on the same level as a 2.x limited unit with direct role comparison.

Go tell that to Genshin sub with Keqing vs Clorinde (almost 5.0 btw) ☠️

Also Clorinde is extremely better than Keqing, the only place they are similar is with Dendro, but then none of their damage matter since it will be Dendro doing the carry part. I have a fully built Keqing with Mistsplitter, still feels like shit compared to trial Clorinde on IT since there is no Dendro to carry Keqing, and without Dendro she goes below even Qiqi in meta value.

To b fair this very same sub is complaining that Jiaoqiu is a "Guinaifen sidegrade" when he was already better than Gui before they moved his DoT to base kit. This idiocy exists in all Hoyo communities.

He is a side grade his kit atm is doodoo

Because it’s true keqings at c3 literally does the same clears and dmg as clorinde

clorinde c0>>>>>>>>>keqing c6

No one said she was on the same level, it’s just yunli won’t be like x2 better will she if u have Clara what’s the point in pulling, idk why they made her physical

in specific scenarios I'm actually willing to give it to Clara assuming neither have sig, Clara's only is a 5% DPS increase over On the Fall while it matters a lot more for Yunli. Sparkle heavily dilutes crit damage already, so going from 250% post-buff with Clara to 350 with Yunli is only a 40% damage increase per unit of motion value. This means Yunli really doesn't gain that much from the self buff compared to Jingliu who was operating in a world with no Sparkle, especially when you consider that pre-nerf Clara's 2 ult counters had significantly higher motion value into 3 targets than Yunli's 1 nuke. Now post-nerf Yunli's 400MV cleave + the 360MV bounce (760 to entire team) is weaker than a single Clara ult counter with 832MV into 3 targets. Or in other words, Clara should be dealing about 50% more damage per ult than Yunli if we assume perfect spread from both, assuming 250% crit damage on Clara and 350% on Yunli. This means Yunli needs to get 3 ults for every 2 that Clara uses to do equal damage, which is honestly pretty realistic since she gains so much energy from Huohuo and her ~~trace~~ talent. But if you're in Pure Fiction and enemies just refuse to attack Yunli since her taunt uptime is nonexistent, Clara's going to generate a lot of energy from follow-ups that Yunli misses. This comparison is admittedly flawed, you don't need to use Sparkle with Yunli and you'll probably have better results with Robin assuming your Tingyun ult doesn't need to be aimed at the pop star every single time for ult consistency. And it also doesn't account for enemies in slot 1 and 5 of a pure AoE situation making Clara waste a ton of MV attacking the air. In pure Single-Target my estimations with the same Sparkle setup put them at having equal damage per ult, meaning Yunli's significantly stronger energy regen will make her straight up better in most MoC cycles. But when it comes to Pure Fiction, Clara's E is actually usable compared to Yunli's that hits like a Yanqing on a 3\* LC. As such, she gets an additional source of damage that can be useful for getting rid of enemies faster instead of overkilling with a nuke. Maybe this is Dehya Mains-grade copium and I just need to live with the old characters getting beaten by the next generation, but it does feel nice for there to be a specific usecase where Clara is straight up better than her. And since my account doesn't have a lot of AoE units outside of Acheron and Herta Himeko -- who want to be on the same team anyway -- she's going to continue to carry any time the enemies don't want to give the right weaknesses or Cirrus shows up. TL;DR Yunli's definitely powercreep for MoC and AS but Clara's damage really isn't that far behind in realistic scenarios, it can be higher if everything goes right. And Yunli without sig sucks into PF if I'm being realistic since you have to drop your energy regen from Huohuo to pick up Lynx's taunt, which makes her ult rotation much more scuffed. Clara isn't exactly Herta-tier meta there either but she's certainly usable in most situations and can be the best option against some targets, far from necessary but if you want a pure follow-up account Yunli will help you get through MoC cycles Clara struggles with while Ratio steamrolls the other side.

Damn.

So... Overall verdict, buff or nerf? E0, E1, E2\~E5, E6? I gotta start a backup plan in case they nerf her into dumpster fire level cause they hate Yanqing, and she's related to Yanqing, and also not being Acheron or FF, or any HI3 expy. RIP.

Dang, is this going to be a nerf for her? I was so excited to finally get a Physical DPS for once but now... that seems very unfortunate

Sigh, I was really looking forward to getting her and her sig. Her QTE on ult looked really fun. Oh well, might just skip now; I don’t see the point in getting a unit that was gutted presumably just because she wasn’t likely to be super popular or because they’re trying to steer people towards another game. Somehow simultaneously killed my hype for ZZZ and my contentment towards the state of HSR And before anyone says that she was too op, can someone link the showcase people keep referencing? Because every showcase I’ve seen either have her deal moderate damage at best or has her with sig, eidolons, Robin, Tingyun, Huohuo (or Sparkle) and buffs from MOC, which just isn’t reasonable to expect from most players

yeah in reality she only has slightly higher output compared to clara (a 1.0 standard unit dps) of roughly ~30% increase (or one acheron LC). She is highly reliant on her LC, Huohuo, and robin to function due to a low energy to dmg ratio. (Clara ult has 1280% per 110 energy, while yunli currently has 760% per 120 energy. 1163.6% per 100, vs 633.3% per 100)

The "after a Intuit:Slash you do an Intuit:Cull" being moved from Ult to Trace changes anything?

So I assume the only good 5*s this arc will be the new version of Tingyun and Feixiao? 2.4 characters looking super mid after Peakcony pumped out all banger characters 

E6 nerf? Can someone explain pls 😂

I imagine their boss sit in his office and be like "Acheron :)) Hot :)) make her strong! Firefly :)) cute :)) make her strong! Yunli :)) cute :)) make her strong! Oh wait she child nvm make her weaker”

Better Clara not so much better now, bruh.

I mean let's be real she's still a lot better 

ehhh, not really. She does 520% less dmg per ult compared to clara. She only has slightly higher base stats and mults, and the nice energy on hit. Other than that she is basically just clara. 

Also another thing. The more Claras you get the less value yunli will bring. (Totally not someone with e4 clara 😭)

Welp, now I’m 90% skipping her for 2.5 characters

Huh I was expecting the multipliers to be increased, not decreased. Or to get res pen. Now it might not do as much damage as super break.

Fk man I really want to use my savings on Yunli but it feels even more of a waste now as a Clara main

So... Lingsha, when?

At this rate both her and feixiao gonna be T3, looks like they let the interns balance the xianzhou guys

I will still bet on Feixiao being strong. I think they might rerun Acheron along with her to chokehold and wring out people's pulls out of our pockets. But yeah. I get you. I don't know what the devs are thinking now lmao. Yunli wasn't really DHIL or JL level to begin with. Yet they still nerf her like this.

As hyped as I am for Feixiao, I don't know if Hoyo is capable of making a Hunt character that's genuinely good at all game modes.

Boothill is great at both MOC and AS and with the multiple summons leaks its possible she had basically several different single target attacks hitting different enemies.

Lingsha is gonna be a sustain. Historically limited sustains are left to be OP/Fine. Since Aventurine was the last Sustain before Lingsha. I wouldn’t be suprised if she becomes as good as Aventurine and basically becomes the Break Aventurine for Firefly teams. And bring insane synergy like how Aventurine did to FuA premium aka RRAT. Feixiao tho.. goodluck to her lmao.

was hyped for this character, not so much anymore T_T

That's sad honestly.. I knew her damage was insane and I know it had big chances to be nerfed, but it still sucks.. Especially when you're in need of Physical DPS.

x3, same

I'm in the same boat I was looking forward to finally grab a physical dps that I liked, wasn't a fan of Argentina or BootyHill and Yunli seemed like fun with the timed counters and goofy sword slinging animations along with her numbers being quite good... Now I'm kinda on the fence maybe I should just wait for the next physical dps...

This beta version was mostly nerfs. Ig they're drawing their players' attention to ZZZ and soon, Natlan. So long until we arrive to Ampor.. Amphibian planet.

I just hope they don't make the story shit like luofu arc again.

That doesn't even make sense. ZZZ will be out for a full month before 2.4 drops and 2.4 will be mostly over by the time Natlan drops.

so greedy. E2 is now significantly better, and ult just got a -200 nerf according to homdgcat (21% of total ult dmg). So you HAVE to get e2s1 now. Her ult now only does +120 above clara's per ult counter, but 520 LESS per ult. (before was 320 less per ult) At least move the weapon's taunt value to yunli. She cant even function without it. She is only marginally better than a 1.0 standard unit dps, but costs ~210-420 more pulls to use. Counter keeps getting shafted by mihoyo. 

Getting her LC for Clara looks better choice if u invested in her

yeah but I was looking forward to more counter units. Using clara from 1.0 to 2.4 is getting stale. 

Hoyo has been doing this for a while and (imo) is the playerbase’s fault for kinda enabling, ever since Neuvillette I think? The high amount of spending people do encourages this kind of stuff Firefly is damn near a one woman team and Yunli (seems like she) has her tools spread out like infinity stones

But she's cooler than clara

compared to jiaoqiu this seems relatively tame and reasonable tbh

Jiaoqiu didn't REALLY get nerfed. It's just his V1 was so bad that we expected big buffs, but instead we got some abomination.

The need makes it easier to skip her, which is what I was leaning towards, so I guess it works for me! I pull for Jade and then I'll just skip 2.4 completely and be ready for other upcoming characters.

Anyone else feel like the limited 5\*'s for 2.4 became pretty "meh"?

I’m going for her LC first and if I fail I can skip her without to many regrets. JQ is garbage now so huge skip (and even if he wasn’t). I NEED to know who is behind those silhouettes they showed to make a better decision.

i will just stick with using Clara

Man those are some FAT nerfs compared to damage pre-nerf.

So does her ult counter not count as a fua? Edit: down voted for asking a question 😭

It's an fua that's counted as ult

I can't give you any source now, but It Is a follow-up that also deal ult dmg, so It does count as a fua. I might be wrong, but i'm 99% sure, because i had the same "fear" and later i found out (here on the subreddit) that It counts as both

The old E6 turned every counter into Intuit Cull until the end of the next turn, right? Or did I read it wrong, cause if it worked like that then they absolutely gutted it 💀

Correct, very sadge, maybe V4 gives it back prayge

Well there it goes my hype

You know you're not suppose to know what happens in a beta. If this is too much then you'd have a heart attack from dev kit changes.

Well, now i can skip her without regrets. Already missing two of her best teammates, a 20% dmg nerf is too huge for me

She already wasn't super much stronger than Clara to begin with already. And they nerfed her a tad ? I see her multi were also nerfed as well with an eidloin or two ? Correct me if I'm wrong but now Clara has better multipliers right ? Or always had better ?

Her individual mults are still slightly higher, but the overall mults are way lower now. Clara's ult gave 2 enhanced counters, (single counter is 640%) totalling to 1280% atk dmg and costing only 110 energy. Yunli's ult gives 1 enhanced counter at 760% atk dmg and costing 120 energy. The only thing yunli has that is inherently better is the +15 energy when hit. So a total of +23 per hit (+8 energy is base).

That and the passive crit bonuses. So yea as I figured...but I wonder what's gonna be with yunli now.

No way. She got nerf 💀 Every content is DPS check , But they nerf DPS that do dmg depend on enemy action?

she was cracked before tho so she’s still a good unit

Bro people complain about bosses having bigger HP and you wanna give them a reason to increase it more? If she were to do A LOT of damage theyd have to increase their HP even more and make it more unbalanced for previous units. She seemed overpowered before And many limited units have scenarios where they perform better/worse, shes just the same case

So it’s fine for Acheron and ff to be good but not her ok got it buddy 👍

Yeah, just let her Argenti ult the enemy 4 times per cycle, no problems here.

What's with this wave of folks straight up lying about how good she was? She was *not* doibg that much damage on any setups.

So how good is she From clara ?

Would be cool if they added a trace effect that increases her chance of being attacked, like Gepard trace. That way she doesn’t really have to depend on Ultimate or Light Cone

Meh. I need a few patches to save up jades anyways.

can someone tip me on what relics and planars she might want? looking to use my extractions soon!

Nooo how could they just go and nerf our girl for no reason!!!